Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
Are you sure they did it? Their webpage says this: Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends. http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation was that LoTW was a perk of donating. It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it. I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new one. Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway. But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, rag...@otterstad.dk rag...@otterstad.dk wrote: That's not the point at all Rag. And don't change the subject. --- The subject being: Why was the log not uploaded to LOTW immediately ?? The Russians at TX7M did it- very commendable IMHO 73 and Merry Christmas Rag la5he mail2web.com – Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If no one donated, do you think any large DXpeditions would happen? Maybe you have a few hundred $ laying around but most hams don't. The donations make DXpeditions happen. Most hams are happy to donate. If you aren't then that's your problem. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying work this one OR ELSE! Most who do go do foot the bill for their own travel, lodging expenses and even meals. The other costs are what make up the most expensive part. If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, If you think it is a free holiday in the sun by all means organize your own DXpedition, raise the cash beforehand to go and try to recoup it all with a few measly green stamps. Might I also suggest Scarborough, Peter One, Bouvet or Marion Island as ideal candidates for a free holiday in the sun. Reality is that it is far from being a free holiday, and most DXpeditioners spend nearly all of their time on the radio, just because some DXpeditioner wants a new one in the log. Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO It is a choice. If you don't donate, you will get a free card via the bureau. IMO, even that is pretty generous. What you want is fast service for no money. Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM, ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no wrote: If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO 73 Rag http://tinyurl.com/c6g6g4k http://de.visittelemark.com/ or http://www.telemarkskanalen.no/nor/Kanalen where we are located riverside. Ubi Morsum verba tacent Fra: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com Til: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sendt: Onsdag, 21. desember 2011 20.11 Emne: Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW Are you sure they did it? Their webpage says this: Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends. http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation was that LoTW was a perk of donating. It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it. I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new one. Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway. But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, rag...@otterstad.dk rag...@otterstad.dk wrote: That's not the point at all Rag. And don't change the subject. --- The subject being: Why was the log not uploaded to LOTW immediately ?? The Russians at TX7M did it- very commendable IMHO 73 and Merry Christmas Rag la5he mail2web.com – Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
Out of ignorance I ask this question of the group - Having confirmed every entity on the list and never contributed anything in advance of receiving a confirmation, my experience leads me to believe there is no such thing as extortion to get confirmation. What am I missing? Are there/have there been such examples and if so, where and who? Don K1VSK - Original Message - From: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If no one donated, do you think any large DXpeditions would happen? Maybe you have a few hundred $ laying around but most hams don't. The donations make DXpeditions happen. Most hams are happy to donate. If you aren't then that's your problem. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying work this one OR ELSE! Most who do go do foot the bill for their own travel, lodging expenses and even meals. The other costs are what make up the most expensive part. If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, If you think it is a free holiday in the sun by all means organize your own DXpedition, raise the cash beforehand to go and try to recoup it all with a few measly green stamps. Might I also suggest Scarborough, Peter One, Bouvet or Marion Island as ideal candidates for a free holiday in the sun. Reality is that it is far from being a free holiday, and most DXpeditioners spend nearly all of their time on the radio, just because some DXpeditioner wants a new one in the log. Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO It is a choice. If you don't donate, you will get a free card via the bureau. IMO, even that is pretty generous. What you want is fast service for no money. Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM, ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no wrote: If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO 73 Rag http://tinyurl.com/c6g6g4k http://de.visittelemark.com/ or http://www.telemarkskanalen.no/nor/Kanalen where we are located riverside. Ubi Morsum verba tacent Fra: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com Til: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sendt: Onsdag, 21. desember 2011 20.11 Emne: Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW Are you sure they did it? Their webpage says this: Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends. http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation was that LoTW was a perk of donating. It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it. I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new one. Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway. But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, rag...@otterstad.dk rag...@otterstad.dk wrote: That's not the point at all Rag. And don't change the subject. --- The subject being: Why was the log not uploaded to LOTW immediately ?? The Russians at TX7M did it- very commendable IMHO 73 and Merry Christmas Rag la5he mail2web.com – Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http
Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
And there is always the old rule: if you don't like the game don't play it. Go away and play another game you like. Fred - PY7ZZ Em 21/12/2011 17:46, Ryan Jairam escreveu: If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If no one donated, do you think any large DXpeditions would happen? Maybe you have a few hundred $ laying around but most hams don't. The donations make DXpeditions happen. Most hams are happy to donate. If you aren't then that's your problem. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying work this one OR ELSE! Most who do go do foot the bill for their own travel, lodging expenses and even meals. The other costs are what make up the most expensive part. If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, If you think it is a free holiday in the sun by all means organize your own DXpedition, raise the cash beforehand to go and try to recoup it all with a few measly green stamps. Might I also suggest Scarborough, Peter One, Bouvet or Marion Island as ideal candidates for a free holiday in the sun. Reality is that it is far from being a free holiday, and most DXpeditioners spend nearly all of their time on the radio, just because some DXpeditioner wants a new one in the log. Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO It is a choice. If you don't donate, you will get a free card via the bureau. IMO, even that is pretty generous. What you want is fast service for no money. Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM, ragnar otterstadla...@yahoo.no wrote: If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO 73 Rag http://tinyurl.com/c6g6g4k http://de.visittelemark.com/ or http://www.telemarkskanalen.no/nor/Kanalen where we are located riverside. Ubi Morsum verba tacent Fra: Ryan Jairamrjai...@gmail.com Til: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sendt: Onsdag, 21. desember 2011 20.11 Emne: Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW Are you sure they did it? Their webpage says this: Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends. http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation was that LoTW was a perk of donating. It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it. I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new one. Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway. But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, rag...@otterstad.dk rag...@otterstad.dk wrote: That's not the point at all Rag. And don't change the subject. --- The subject being: Why was the log not uploaded to LOTW immediately ?? The Russians at TX7M did it- very commendable IMHO 73 and Merry Christmas Rag la5he mail2web.com – Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
F6FNU required a gratuity to get cards from any of the rare Africans he managed. I believe the same was true with DJ6SI. Barry W2UP On 12/21/2011 2:06 PM, Don Berger wrote: Out of ignorance I ask this question of the group - Having confirmed every entity on the list and never contributed anything in advance of receiving a confirmation, my experience leads me to believe there is no such thing as extortion to get confirmation. What am I missing? Are there/have there been such examples and if so, where and who? Don K1VSK - Original Message - From: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If no one donated, do you think any large DXpeditions would happen? Maybe you have a few hundred $ laying around but most hams don't. The donations make DXpeditions happen. Most hams are happy to donate. If you aren't then that's your problem. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying work this one OR ELSE! Most who do go do foot the bill for their own travel, lodging expenses and even meals. The other costs are what make up the most expensive part. If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, If you think it is a free holiday in the sun by all means organize your own DXpedition, raise the cash beforehand to go and try to recoup it all with a few measly green stamps. Might I also suggest Scarborough, Peter One, Bouvet or Marion Island as ideal candidates for a free holiday in the sun. Reality is that it is far from being a free holiday, and most DXpeditioners spend nearly all of their time on the radio, just because some DXpeditioner wants a new one in the log. Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO It is a choice. If you don't donate, you will get a free card via the bureau. IMO, even that is pretty generous. What you want is fast service for no money. Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM, ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no wrote: If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO 73 Rag http://tinyurl.com/c6g6g4k http://de.visittelemark.com/ or http://www.telemarkskanalen.no/nor/Kanalen where we are located riverside. Ubi Morsum verba tacent Fra: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com Til: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sendt: Onsdag, 21. desember 2011 20.11 Emne: Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW Are you sure they did it? Their webpage says this: Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends. http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation was that LoTW was a perk of donating. It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it. I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new one. Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway. But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, rag...@otterstad.dk rag...@otterstad.dk wrote: That's not the point at all Rag. And don't change the subject. --- The subject being: Why was the log not uploaded to LOTW immediately ?? The Russians at TX7M did it- very commendable IMHO 73 and Merry Christmas Rag la5he mail2web.com – Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Lakewood, CO
Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
Not my experience with DJ6SI. An SASE did it every time. There are a few current managers that charge an extra few bucks but most are fine. My contributions have always been via INDEXA or NCDXF. 73, Les W2LK On 12/21/2011 4:46 PM, Barry wrote: F6FNU required a gratuity to get cards from any of the rare Africans he managed. I believe the same was true with DJ6SI. Barry W2UP On 12/21/2011 2:06 PM, Don Berger wrote: Out of ignorance I ask this question of the group - Having confirmed every entity on the list and never contributed anything in advance of receiving a confirmation, my experience leads me to believe there is no such thing as extortion to get confirmation. What am I missing? Are there/have there been such examples and if so, where and who? Don K1VSK - Original Message - From: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If no one donated, do you think any large DXpeditions would happen? Maybe you have a few hundred $ laying around but most hams don't. The donations make DXpeditions happen. Most hams are happy to donate. If you aren't then that's your problem. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying work this one OR ELSE! Most who do go do foot the bill for their own travel, lodging expenses and even meals. The other costs are what make up the most expensive part. If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, If you think it is a free holiday in the sun by all means organize your own DXpedition, raise the cash beforehand to go and try to recoup it all with a few measly green stamps. Might I also suggest Scarborough, Peter One, Bouvet or Marion Island as ideal candidates for a free holiday in the sun. Reality is that it is far from being a free holiday, and most DXpeditioners spend nearly all of their time on the radio, just because some DXpeditioner wants a new one in the log. Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO It is a choice. If you don't donate, you will get a free card via the bureau. IMO, even that is pretty generous. What you want is fast service for no money. Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM, ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no wrote: If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO 73 Rag http://tinyurl.com/c6g6g4k http://de.visittelemark.com/ or http://www.telemarkskanalen.no/nor/Kanalen where we are located riverside. Ubi Morsum verba tacent Fra: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com Til: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sendt: Onsdag, 21. desember 2011 20.11 Emne: Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW Are you sure they did it? Their webpage says this: Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends. http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation was that LoTW was a perk of donating. It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it. I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new one. Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway. But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, rag...@otterstad.dk rag...@otterstad.dk wrote: That's not the point at all Rag. And don't change the subject. --- The subject being: Why was the log not uploaded to LOTW immediately ?? The Russians at TX7M did it- very commendable IMHO 73 and Merry Christmas Rag la5he mail2web.com – Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat
Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
Not my experience with DJ6SI. An SASE did it every time. There are a few current managers that charge an extra few bucks but most are fine. My contributions have always been via INDEXA or NCDXF. 73, Les W2LK On 12/21/2011 4:46 PM, Barry wrote: F6FNU required a gratuity to get cards from any of the rare Africans he managed. I believe the same was true with DJ6SI. Barry W2UP On 12/21/2011 2:06 PM, Don Berger wrote: Out of ignorance I ask this question of the group - Having confirmed every entity on the list and never contributed anything in advance of receiving a confirmation, my experience leads me to believe there is no such thing as extortion to get confirmation. What am I missing? Are there/have there been such examples and if so, where and who? Don K1VSK - Original Message - From: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If no one donated, do you think any large DXpeditions would happen? Maybe you have a few hundred $ laying around but most hams don't. The donations make DXpeditions happen. Most hams are happy to donate. If you aren't then that's your problem. No one is holding a gun to your head and saying work this one OR ELSE! Most who do go do foot the bill for their own travel, lodging expenses and even meals. The other costs are what make up the most expensive part. If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, If you think it is a free holiday in the sun by all means organize your own DXpedition, raise the cash beforehand to go and try to recoup it all with a few measly green stamps. Might I also suggest Scarborough, Peter One, Bouvet or Marion Island as ideal candidates for a free holiday in the sun. Reality is that it is far from being a free holiday, and most DXpeditioners spend nearly all of their time on the radio, just because some DXpeditioner wants a new one in the log. Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO It is a choice. If you don't donate, you will get a free card via the bureau. IMO, even that is pretty generous. What you want is fast service for no money. Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM, ragnar otterstad la...@yahoo.no wrote: If you cannot foot the bill, why go ? If you expect the fraternity to pay , it is starting to look like a business to me. ( How to get a fee holiday in the sun, Contributions should be a choice, not a precondition for a confirmation IMHO 73 Rag http://tinyurl.com/c6g6g4k http://de.visittelemark.com/ or http://www.telemarkskanalen.no/nor/Kanalen where we are located riverside. Ubi Morsum verba tacent Fra: Ryan Jairam rjai...@gmail.com Til: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sendt: Onsdag, 21. desember 2011 20.11 Emne: Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW Are you sure they did it? Their webpage says this: Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends. http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation was that LoTW was a perk of donating. It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it. I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new one. Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway. But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, rag...@otterstad.dk rag...@otterstad.dk wrote: That's not the point at all Rag. And don't change the subject. --- The subject being: Why was the log not uploaded to LOTW immediately ?? The Russians at TX7M did it- very commendable IMHO 73 and Merry Christmas Rag la5he mail2web.com – Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat
[DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
Gentlemen, I hope I didn't light this flame a week or so with my request for info re ST0R and LOTW. My apologies if I am guilty. This worn out thread needs to be buried. Please read what Ryan said in his email (below) as he is right on the mark. Most DXpeditions are not going to instantly put their logs on LOTW and shouldn't be expected to do so. They have substantial costs to try and recover, and we should help them do it or DXpeditions are going to disappear. I doubt very much that anyone is making money by doing a DXpedition, and are frequently exposing themselves to personal safety and health risks. Be kind and considerate to the guys who take these risks to put a QSO in your log. John Owens - N7TK Celebrating over 50 Years in Ham Radio No. 1 Honor Roll Are you sure they did it? Their webpage says this: Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends. http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation was that LoTW was a perk of donating. It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it. I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new one. Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway. But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly. 73 Ryan, N2RJ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
Yes John I agree with your and Ryan's point. Those guys put a lot of work and time planning a DXpedition. Then as you properly said, they continue by exposing themselves to personal safety and health risks. Then they keep in front of the rig for many hours, to give a new entity to a lot of people around the world. Then they have to be exposing themselves again on the trip back home. And finally, the hard work to answer thousand of qsls. And what we have to do after a few hours of confortable work to make the qso ? Just send the qsl and WAIT for the answer. Or send the log to LOTW and WAIT for the match and credit. And follow THEIR instructions. If at the end of the qsl work they have some extra money, it's nice. They will use it for future dxpeditions. I don't know anybody that made money with Dxpeditions. But I know a lot of nice guys that always put his money on their expeditions and never see anything back. And we should always say thanks to them. They help to keep our hobby alive. Now we have some guys that did nothing to help the dxpeditions, saying they must do this, they must do that that's ridiculous ... As we use to say here IF YOU CAN'T HELP, DON'T DISTURB. Fred - PY7ZZ Em 21/12/2011 19:56, jcowe...@comcast.net escreveu: Gentlemen, I hope I didn't light this flame a week or so with my request for info re ST0R and LOTW. My apologies if I am guilty. This worn out thread needs to be buried. Please read what Ryan said in his email (below) as he is right on the mark. Most DXpeditions are not going to instantly put their logs on LOTW and shouldn't be expected to do so. They have substantial costs to try and recover, and we should help them do it or DXpeditions are going to disappear. I doubt very much that anyone is making money by doing a DXpedition, and are frequently exposing themselves to personal safety and health risks. Be kind and considerate to the guys who take these risks to put a QSO in your log. John Owens - N7TK Celebrating over 50 Years in Ham Radio No. 1 Honor Roll Are you sure they did it? Their webpage says this: Donors and Sponsors will receive LoTW CFMs after the DXped ends. http://www.tx7m.com/sponsors.php Maybe they changed their minds afterwards but the initial expectation was that LoTW was a perk of donating. It is apparent that some don't realize the massive costs of a major DXpedition. It's not simply two guys taking a boat with a rig and a wire antenna. Some of these operations cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. And with that cost, there must be a means of recouping some of it. I have no problem with tossing a few bucks in the tip jar if I get a new one. Bureau is and likely will always be free. Many of them upload to LoTW after 1-2 years after the expedition ends anyway. But to expect everyone to spend tens or hundreds of thousands and then not expect to recoup some of those costs is just silly. 73 Ryan, N2RJ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
My thanks to the many people who responded to my request for info re ST0R QSL's and LOTW credits. I appreciate your responses and info. John Owens - N7TK Celebrating over 50 Years in Ham Radio No. 1 Honor Roll It seems like some DXpeditions are turned into cashcows ! First we contribute individually or via our DX-club, then have to pay again for confirmation ! I never thought this was going to be a business! 73 merry Xmas Rag LA5HE ( since 1953 ) mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
With respect: When you are asked to make a contribution to have your QSOs uploaded to LOTW, what do you call that ? 73 Rag Fra: Ron Notarius W3WN wn3...@verizon.net Til: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sendt: Mandag, 19. desember 2011 22.04 Emne: RE: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW Not this old canard again. Nobody has to pay for a confirmation. Yes, I know there are individual cases where this has happened, that is not an absolute statement. But NONE of these recent big DXpeditions have, so far as I know, demanded renumeration in return for a confirmation. Have they asked? Yes. Well, there are expenses. But no one has demanded reimbursement, and in most cases, at best a DXpedition breaks even on postage and printing costs for QSL cards. If you don't want or need your card back quickly, wait on the bureau. Thus it has been, thus it shall be. 73, ron w3wn On 12/19/11, rag...@otterstad.dk wrote: My thanks to the many people who responded to my request for info re ST0R QSL's and LOTW credits. I appreciate your responses and info. John Owens - N7TK Celebrating over 50 Years in Ham Radio No. 1 Honor Roll It seems like some DXpeditions are turned into cashcows ! First we contribute individually or via our DX-club, then have to pay again for confirmation ! I never thought this was going to be a business! 73 merry Xmas Rag LA5HE ( since 1953 ) mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
That's not the point at all Rag. And don't change the subject. The issue you raised is not whether or not an electronic confirmation system should be used. It was, by implication, that DXpeditions in general, and ST0R in particular, are using the QSL confirmation as a cashcow to raise money. And other related implications that are more than a bit unsavory and not worthy of further discussion. Since instead of replying to my earlier comments, you are changing the subject. I'd venture to say that you actually don't have any facts to back these earlier statements of yours up, you just want to stir things up. If you want to do so, this is not the proper reflector for that purpose. So perchance you should take your argument elsewhere. I don't think anything more needs to be said on the subject. 73 _ From: ragnar otterstad [mailto:la...@yahoo.no] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 6:37 PM To: wn3...@verizon.net; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW No need to print cards. just immediately upload to LOTW IMHO 73 rag http://tinyurl.com/c6g6g4k http://de.visittelemark.com/ or http://www.telemarkskanalen.no/nor/Kanalen where we are located riverside. Ubi Morsum verba tacent Fra: Ron Notarius W3WN wn3...@verizon.net Til: la...@yahoo.no; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sendt: Mandag, 19. desember 2011 23.53 Emne: RE: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW Rag: I'm looking at the ST0R web site right now, and under QSL Information (see http://www.dxfriends.com/SouthernSudan2011/qsl.php ) they make NO mention whatsoever of ANY donation needed for a LotW upload. They ask for an SAE and enough IRC's to cover the return postage, nothing unreasonable, and also explicitly state that they will also return cards via the bureau if you choose not to include sufficient return postage / IRC's. Now if you want to get picky, they also state on that page that donors who contribute above a certain $ amount can email the manager directly with their QSO information for a card. Are they giving special consideration to those who donate? You can make that argument. You can also argue that that's a courtesy to those who donate, a perk. not a demand for funds. But that is hardly a cash cow, and they still have to print and mail the cards. So your argument is invalid. Now if you're complaining about a different DXpedition, cite facts and don't tie it to an ST0R thread. It implies that they are doing something that the facts show they are not. And if you really feel the need to libel this group, do it elsewhere. From: ragnar otterstad [mailto:la...@yahoo.no] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:41 PM To: wn3...@verizon.net ; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW With respect: When you are asked to make a contribution to have your QSOs uploaded to LOTW, what do you call that ? 73 Rag Fra: Ron Notarius W3WN wn3...@verizon.net Til: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sendt: Mandag, 19. desember 2011 22.04 Emne: RE: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW Not this old canard again. Nobody has to pay for a confirmation. Yes, I know there are individual cases where this has happened, that is not an absolute statement. But NONE of these recent big DXpeditions have, so far as I know, demanded renumeration in return for a confirmation. Have they asked? Yes. Well, there are expenses. But no one has demanded reimbursement, and in most cases, at best a DXpedition breaks even on postage and printing costs for QSL cards. If you don't want or need your card back quickly, wait on the bureau. Thus it has been, thus it shall be. 73, ron w3wn On 12/19/11, rag...@otterstad.dk wrote: My thanks to the many people who responded to my request for info re ST0R QSL's and LOTW credits. I appreciate your responses and info. John Owens - N7TK Celebrating over 50 Years in Ham Radio No. 1 Honor Roll It seems like some DXpeditions are turned into cashcows ! First we contribute individually or via our DX-club, then have to pay again for confirmation ! I never thought this was going to be a business! 73 merry Xmas Rag LA5HE ( since 1953 ) mail2web.com - MicrosoftR Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org http://njdxa.org/ --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX
[DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
My thanks to the many people who responded to my request for info re ST0R QSL's and LOTW credits. I appreciate your responses and info. John Owens - N7TK Celebrating over 50 Years in Ham Radio No. 1 Honor Roll --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] ST0R LOTW
Did anyone who QSL'd direct with an IRC to ST0R get their physical card in the mail and also a LOTW mathchup??? John Owens - N7TK Celebrating over 50 Years in Ham Radio No. 1 Honor Roll --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R LOTW
I sent $5.00 to manager and got cards and LOTW confirmed quickly. Jim N4JA - Original Message - From: jcowe...@comcast.net To: WWDXC Cc: DX Chat Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 2:46 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] ST0R LOTW Did anyone who QSL'd direct with an IRC to ST0R get their physical card in the mail and also a LOTW mathchup??? John Owens - N7TK Celebrating over 50 Years in Ham Radio No. 1 Honor Roll --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R LOTW
I received my ST0R card in the mail on Nov 12, but no match on LoTW as yet. I notice they are still uploading files almost every day. Ned W4KS --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R LOTW
Likewise - received QSL direct by mail a couple weeks ago but no LoTW upload as of today. Carl, K2CJ On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Ned Buck nb...@palmnet.net wrote: ** I received my ST0R card in the mail on Nov 12, but no match on LoTW as yet. I notice they are still uploading files almost every day.** ** ** Ned W4KS --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R LOTW
I receive my ST0R LoTW confirmation on 23 Oct. Gerry VE6LB From: Ned Buck Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 2:23 PM To: jcowe...@comcast.net Cc: DX Chat Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] ST0R LOTW I received my ST0R card in the mail on Nov 12, but no match on LoTW as yet. I notice they are still uploading files almost every day. Ned W4KS --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
