RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
Good idea Dave. I know they have done several already. Spanish I believe has been done and Japanese was in the works. Not sure about other languages but I will check with N7NG and NN1N. Thanks Dave for your positive input. Bernie, W3UR Bernie McClenny, W3UR Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 18:47 To: 'Bernie McClenny, W3UR'; 'John Carobine - WB8RFB'; 'DX, Chat' Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World How about providing instructions in languages other than English? 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bernie McClenny, W3UR Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:15 AM To: 'John Carobine - WB8RFB'; 'DX, Chat' Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World WB8RFB said If there is any way to encourage more DX stations to sign up and submit their logs, I'm all for it. Perhaps some kind of incentive offered by the League??? The ARRL announced LOTW is now working for Worked All States (see http://www.arrl.org/ ). This will help with more DX stations John! Bernie Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
By the way I suspect there are more contesters using LOTW that actual DXers. I think the main reason for that is they are all using Absolutely... contesters are more in touch with electronic submissions. They're used to the process. On the other hand, I have 50 qsls from w3lpl -hi! Any positive suggestions? I think something that has not been mentioned much is the recent feature of certain dx clusters now indicating which spotted callsigns are LoTW users. By using the un-official callsign list at - http://www.hb9bza.net/lotw/ ...and integrating it with VE7CC's ar-user program, I can now search and pounce on dx that I'm relatively sure will qsl via LotW. I'll still pay the price for the exotic cards for the shack wall, but when it comes to qsl'ing specific band/modes, I'm all for LotW. This new cluster feature really improves my time management when it comes to pursuing DXCC. This is not a sales pitch for VE7CC's program (besides, it's free), but I recommend it. Rich, N8UX. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
Charles, How many of those certs do you really need right now? I believe what you need most is the ONE cert that you will be using. If you renew one, you maintain your electronic identity. Then, obtaining additional certs as needed (if at all) is simple. 73, Wayne, N7NG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Harpole Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:18 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World I just got notice of expiration of my Logbook World for all my calls. I have eight calls. My conclusion about this matter is that it is way, way too much trouble to bother with. Download this, check for that (extensions, etc), remember passwords, etc etc etc etc. If this were a real business, it would go broke due to customer frustration. I guess I will just have to struggle along without Logbook of the World. Nice idea, overly complicated solution (u gotta love computers to deal with this thing--I do not). 73 Charles Harpole HS0ZCW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
Given some of the PKI implementations that I have seen in my work, this one is pretty easy. The best thing that I have seen that has been done is the extension from 1 to 3 years...noticed that when I renewed last week. Also, with more and more companies, educational institutions, government agencies, etc moving in this direction, it is a good thing to know anyway. -- Jeff Embry, K3OQ FM19je ARCI #11643 FPQRP #-696 NAQCC #25 AMSAT LM-2263 No trees were harmed in the sending of this message, however a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. On 3/24/06, Bernie McClenny, W3UR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles it can all be done in less than 10 minutes and it is not that difficult. Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Harpole Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 23:18 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World I just got notice of expiration of my Logbook World for all my calls. I have eight calls. My conclusion about this matter is that it is way, way too much trouble to bother with. Download this, check for that (extensions, etc), remember passwords, etc etc etc etc. If this were a real business, it would go broke due to customer frustration. I guess I will just have to struggle along without Logbook of the World. Nice idea, overly complicated solution (u gotta love computers to deal with this thing--I do not). 73 Charles Harpole HS0ZCW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
Well said!! At 01:32 AM 3/24/2006, Charles Harpole wrote: One who loves Mac computers will never see that another could like a Windows machine. Maybe that explains how little understanding there is for those of us who thingk Logbook is a huge waste of time to try to cope with. True for me, but not for you, I guess. Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
I've been licensed for nearly 35 years and only took up chasing DX seriously about two years ago. In my situation, LoTW is an indispensable tool for me to get beyond the basic DXCC award. At roughly $3.00 each (sometimes more) to snag a confirmation, having the choice of being able to get a card, use a LoTW confirmation, or get both is wonderful. Simply put, my budget does not support mass mailings for all the entities I need to achieve 5 band DXCC just as one example. When I work a new one, I DO like to get a card, but after that, for other bands and modes, a cost-effective LoTW confirmation is just fine. I have confidence that any remaining growing pains with LoTW will be ironed out, but my overall experience with it has been nothing short of positive. The QST article published about a year or so ago on how to set up an account was just the guideline I needed to get me started. If there is any way to encourage more DX stations to sign up and submit their logs, I'm all for it. Perhaps some kind of incentive offered by the League??? WB8RFB __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
WB8RFB said If there is any way to encourage more DX stations to sign up and submit their logs, I'm all for it. Perhaps some kind of incentive offered by the League??? The ARRL announced LOTW is now working for Worked All States (see http://www.arrl.org/ ). This will help with more DX stations John! Bernie Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
You could try the best of both worlds - Linux! 73, Zack W9SZ On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Charles Harpole wrote: One who loves Mac computers will never see that another could like a Windows machine. Maybe that explains how little understanding there is for those of us who thingk Logbook is a huge waste of time to try to cope with. True for me, but not for you, I guess. Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
Chuck: What you got was a notice that you have to renew your certificatation for your call(s) which has to be done once per year. Likely they have a valid reason for doing this. I have done it twice so far and haven't found it difficult to do. I update my log for my one call sign a couple of times per year, and so far LOTW hasn't turned out to be a good resource for me for getting contacts confirmed. When I work a station, I usually QSL via the bureau if I want a QSL, and most people who use LOTW also are good QSL'ers via the bureau. I have no way of knowing if they will sumbit their logs to LOTW, so I go ahead and send the card. I usually get their card via the bureau which negates the need to get credit via LOTW. I have never gotten a single credit for a contact via LOTW. I have all but 2 countries confirmed now so I don't do a lot of QSLing any more. The important thing to me is that I am helping a lot of others get a contact with me confirmed via LOTW. I believe LOTW is a good program for a lot of people, particularly if they are just getting started. I hope people will continue to support it. John Owens - N7SEJ --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:17:51 + I just got notice of expiration of my Logbook World for all my calls. I have eight calls. My conclusion about this matter is that it is way, way too much trouble to bother with. Download this, check for that (extensions, etc), remember passwords, etc etc etc etc. If this were a real business, it would go broke due to customer frustration. I guess I will just have to struggle along without Logbook of the World. Nice idea, overly complicated solution (u gotta love computers to deal with this thing--I do not). 73 Charles Harpole HS0ZCW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
woweee... -- Original message from "Bernie McClenny, W3UR" The ARRL announced LOTW is now working for Worked All States
RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
N7EF Donald M. Anderson Kent, Washington No seriously I think this will get more DXers involved. Many overseas stations will now be able to get their WAS awards thus more DX stations for those of us chasing DX and using LOTW. Another way to encourage more DX participation would be for the League to maybe sponsor some kind of yearly competition. Maybe giving awards to this station working the most DXCC Countries and getting them confirmed on LOTW in a one year period. Surely there must be other ways to encourage more overseas DXers to participate? Any ideas? By the way I suspect there are more contesters using LOTW that actual DXers. I think the main reason for that is they are all using computers and computer logs and it is so easy for them to submit their log to the contest sponsor and then to LOTW. Whereas some of the old time serious DXers are not using computer logs. It would be interesting to take a look at the age of those using LOTW vs those not. My guess is it would show the younger (HA) guys are using computer logging and the older ones are not. Unfortunately Im afraid it would take a lot of work to back this theory up. Anyway I suspect as time goes on more and more people will start using LOTW. The real question is what can be done to speed up the process? Any positive suggestions? 73 Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 13:29 To: Bernie McClenny, W3UR; 'John Carobine - WB8RFB'; 'DX, Chat' Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World woweee... -- Original message from Bernie McClenny, W3UR The ARRL announced LOTW is now working for Worked All States
RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
I'm a stamp collector. To use the usual LOTW arguments, it would certainly be easier, cheaper, quicker, just to collect jpeg's of the stamps, rather than the real thing...paraphrasing W3UR, "It would get more stamp collectors involved...would encourage more participation..." Right? N7EF Donald M. Anderson Kent, Washington -- Original message from "Bernie McClenny, W3UR" [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- N7EF Donald M. Anderson Kent, Washington No seriously I think this will get more DXers involved. Many overseas stations will now be able to get their WAS awards thus more DX stations for those of us chasing DX and using LOTW. Another way to encourage more DX participation would be for the League to maybe sponsor some kind of yearly competition. Maybe giving awards to this station working the most DXCC Countries and getting them confirmed on LOTW in a one year period. Surely there must be other ways to encourage more overseas DXers to participate? Any ideas? By the way I suspect there are more contesters using LOTW that actual DXers. I think the main reason for that is they are all using computers and computer logs and it is so easy for them to submit their log to the contest sponsor and then to LOTW. Whereas some of the old time serious DXers are not using computer logs. It would be interesting to take a look at the age of those using LOTW vs those not. My guess is it would show the younger (HA) guys are using computer logging and the older ones are not. Unfortunately Im afraid it would take a lot of work to back this theory up. Anyway I suspect as time goes on more and more people will start using LOTW. The real question is what can be done to speed up the process? Any positive suggestions? 73 Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3URNow more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe!Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DXhttp://www.da ilydx.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 13:29To: Bernie McClenny, W3UR; 'John Carobine - WB8RFB'; 'DX, Chat'Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World woweee... -- Original message from "Bernie McClenny, W3UR" The ARRL announced LOTW is now working for Worked All States
RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
How about providing instructions in languages other than English? 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bernie McClenny, W3UR Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:15 AM To: 'John Carobine - WB8RFB'; 'DX, Chat' Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World WB8RFB said If there is any way to encourage more DX stations to sign up and submit their logs, I'm all for it. Perhaps some kind of incentive offered by the League??? The ARRL announced LOTW is now working for Worked All States (see http://www.arrl.org/ ). This will help with more DX stations John! Bernie Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
There is a Spanish translation already at http://www.arrl.org/lotw/ . 73 de HK3CW ROB - Original Message - From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Bernie McClenny, W3UR' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'John Carobine - WB8RFB' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'DX, Chat' DX-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World How about providing instructions in languages other than English? 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bernie McClenny, W3UR Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:15 AM To: 'John Carobine - WB8RFB'; 'DX, Chat' Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World WB8RFB said If there is any way to encourage more DX stations to sign up and submit their logs, I'm all for it. Perhaps some kind of incentive offered by the League??? The ARRL announced LOTW is now working for Worked All States (see http://www.arrl.org/ ). This will help with more DX stations John! Bernie Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
No there's not, Rob. There's a Spanish translation of N0AX's QST article. I'm suggesting that the entire LotW web site be made available in multiple languages. This includes usage instructions, the FAQ, account access, etc. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of HK3CW Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 19:06 PM To: DX-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World There is a Spanish translation already at http://www.arrl.org/lotw/ . 73 de HK3CW ROB - Original Message - From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Bernie McClenny, W3UR' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'John Carobine - WB8RFB' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'DX, Chat' DX-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World How about providing instructions in languages other than English? 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bernie McClenny, W3UR Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:15 AM To: 'John Carobine - WB8RFB'; 'DX, Chat' Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World WB8RFB said If there is any way to encourage more DX stations to sign up and submit their logs, I'm all for it. Perhaps some kind of incentive offered by the League??? The ARRL announced LOTW is now working for Worked All States (see http://www.arrl.org/ ). This will help with more DX stations John! Bernie Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
In the time it took to write an e-mail complaining about LoTW, you could've renewed at least 2 or 3 of those calls. You don't have to love computers to deal with Logbook of the World, you just have to accept that the level of security that the ARRL desires comes at a price and that price is some convenience and simplicity. My feeling is that if people put as much energy into getting acclimated to LoTW as they did complaining about it, they'd find it wasn't all that difficult. I have 4 calls registered with LoTW and it takes me about ten minutes to renew all of them. I am not a computer expert, but I'm also not a Luddite. 73, Scott, N9AA Charles Harpole wrote: I just got notice of expiration of my Logbook World for all my calls. I have eight calls. My conclusion about this matter is that it is way, way too much trouble to bother with. Download this, check for that (extensions, etc), remember passwords, etc etc etc etc. If this were a real business, it would go broke due to customer frustration. I guess I will just have to struggle along without Logbook of the World. Nice idea, overly complicated solution (u gotta love computers to deal with this thing--I do not). 73 Charles Harpole HS0ZCW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
At 08:50 PM 3/23/06, you wrote: In the time it took to write an e-mail complaining about LoTW, you could've renewed at least 2 or 3 of those calls. You don't have to love computers to deal with Logbook of the World, you just have to accept that the level of security that the ARRL desires comes at a price and that price is some convenience and simplicity. My feeling is that if people put as much energy into getting acclimated to LoTW as they did complaining about it, they'd find it wasn't all that difficult. I have 4 calls registered with LoTW and it takes me about ten minutes to renew all of them. I am not a computer expert, but I'm also not a Luddite. 73, Scott, N9AA Well said For a good read see: http://www.scdxc.org/gotw.html 73 Good DX DE N6DHZ James Shryne [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.n6dhz.com www.thedxstore.com International DX Convention: www.scdxc.org/visalia Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
One who loves Mac computers will never see that another could like a Windows machine. Maybe that explains how little understanding there is for those of us who thingk Logbook is a huge waste of time to try to cope with. True for me, but not for you, I guess. Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
