Re: [DX-CHAT] Warning-Get Ready
What - only Britain? Thats not fair.. Tom GM4FDM Bill Hawkins wrote: Nasa warns solar flares from 'huge space storm' will cause devastation Britain could face widespread power blackouts and be left without critical communication signals for long periods of time, after the earth is hit by a once-in-a-generation “space storm”, Nasa has warned. *Senior space agency scientists believe the Earth will be hit with unprecedented levels of magnetic energy from solar flares after the Sun wakes “from a deep slumber” sometime around 2013. * ** Read the whole story here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7819201/Nasa-warns-solar-flares-from-huge-space-storm-will-cause-devastation.html. --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- I am fully aware that my youth has been spent That my get up and go - has got up and went But I really dont mind when I think with a grin of all the great places my get up has been! --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Warning-Get Ready
I think to be fair that the Telegraph is a British newspaper so reports from a British point of view. However. After the absence of any sensible energy policy for about the last 25 years, Britain will have plenty of blackouts coming, and not related to solar flares - merely due to lack of generation capacity. As recent governments have played the eco card and pursued the myth of wind, wave and solar energy and climate change they have neglected the core generating capacity that needs to sit behind them. Britain's generating capacity relies over-heavily on gas, the stocks of which are dwindling in the North Sea and which will soon have to be imported in large qualtities. This problem is exacerbated by lack of investment in infrastructure: we can store only a few days' worth of gas whereas many other EU countries can store weeks' worth. The green agenda pushed by politicians and other non-scientists has caused us to lose sight of energy security. Britain has huge coal stocks though lack of investment in (a) mining and (b) power stations to burn the stuff mean that we're in no position to use it. Many of our power stations are coming to the end of their lives, and nothing new is being built to replace them. Wind turbines cost more to build and maintain then they ever generate - they exists merely because of political pressure and due to the various subsidies (much of which are paid for by YOU via your gas/electricity bill, BTW) that HMG pays landowners to install them. Solar panels have a distinct limitation when you want power at 10pm on a Sunday night in January. I'd buy a diesel generator if I were you. They also come in useful for field day contests... Dave G0OIL (an Energy Sector professional) --- On Wed, 16/6/10, tom wylie thomaswy...@sky.com wrote: From: tom wylie thomaswy...@sky.com Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Warning-Get Ready To: bhw...@hughes.net, DX-CHAT dx-chat@njdxa.org Date: Wednesday, 16 June, 2010, 8:17 What - only Britain? Thats not fair.. Tom GM4FDM Bill Hawkins wrote: Nasa warns solar flares from 'huge space storm' will cause devastation Britain could face widespread power blackouts and be left without critical communication signals for long periods of time, after the earth is hit by a once-in-a-generation “space storm”, Nasa has warned. *Senior space agency scientists believe the Earth will be hit with unprecedented levels of magnetic energy from solar flares after the Sun wakes “from a deep slumber” sometime around 2013. * ** Read the whole story here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7819201/Nasa-warns-solar-flares-from-huge-space-storm-will-cause-devastation.html. --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- I am fully aware that my youth has been spent That my get up and go - has got up and went But I really dont mind when I think with a grin of all the great places my get up has been! --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Warning-Get Ready
Dave may have overlooked that BP's oil from the colony shall be washing ashore in the mother country just in time for the Brit's need .. ;) WHAT THIS COUNTRY NEEDS ARE MORE UNEMPLOYED POLITICIANS In a message dated 6/16/2010 2:55:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mausop...@btinternet.com writes: I think to be fair that the Telegraph is a British newspaper so reports from a British point of view. However. After the absence of any sensible energy policy for about the last 25 years, Britain will have plenty of blackouts coming, and not related to solar flares - merely due to lack of generation capacity. As recent governments have played the eco card and pursued the myth of wind, wave and solar energy and climate change they have neglected the core generating capacity that needs to sit behind them. Britain's generating capacity relies over-heavily on gas, the stocks of which are dwindling in the North Sea and which will soon have to be imported in large qualtities. This problem is exacerbated by lack of investment in infrastructure: we can store only a few days' worth of gas whereas many other EU countries can store weeks' worth. The green agenda pushed by politicians and other non-scientists has caused us to lose sight of energy security. Britain has huge coal stocks though lack of investment in (a) mining and (b) power stations to burn the stuff mean that we're in no position to use it. Many of our power stations are coming to the end of their lives, and nothing new is being built to replace them. Wind turbines cost more to build and maintain then they ever generate - they exists merely because of political pressure and due to the various subsidies (much of which are paid for by YOU via your gas/electricity bill, BTW) that HMG pays landowners to install them. Solar panels have a distinct limitation when you want power at 10pm on a Sunday night in January. I'd buy a diesel generator if I were you. They also come in useful for field day contests... Dave G0OIL (an Energy Sector professional) --- On Wed, 16/6/10, tom wylie thomaswy...@sky.com wrote: From: tom wylie thomaswy...@sky.com Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Warning-Get Ready To: bhw...@hughes.net, DX-CHAT dx-chat@njdxa.org Date: Wednesday, 16 June, 2010, 8:17 What - only Britain? Thats not fair.. Tom GM4FDM Bill Hawkins wrote: Nasa warns solar flares from 'huge space storm' will cause devastation Britain could face widespread power blackouts and be left without critical communication signals for long periods of time, after the earth is hit by a once-in-a-generation “space storm”, Nasa has warned. *Senior space agency scientists believe the Earth will be hit with unprecedented levels of magnetic energy from solar flares after the Sun wakes “ from a deep slumber” sometime around 2013. * ** Read the whole story here _http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7819201/Nasa-warns-solar-flares-from-huge-space-storm-will-cause-devastation. html_ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7819201/Nasa-warns-solar-flares-from-huge-space-storm-will-cause-devastation.html) . --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to _imail...@njdxa.org_ (mip://0587c5d0/mc/compose?to=imail...@njdxa.org) In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA _http://njdxa.org_ (http://njdxa.org/) --- -- I am fully aware that my youth has been spent That my get up and go - has got up and went But I really dont mind when I think with a grin of all the great places my get up has been! --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to _imail...@njdxa.org_ (mip://0587c5d0/mc/compose?to=imail...@njdxa.org) In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA _http://njdxa.org_ (http://njdxa.org/) --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Warning-Get Ready
Hmm, I wondered when that might start. Just to point out before I say this: I think that Britain is an utterly worn-out, useless country, good at nothing apart from grand incompetence in just about every field. So please don't accuse me of flag-waving. Ever. Now we can't even beat the bloody Yanks at soccer. However: BP is no longer British Petroleum and is no longer a British company, It is now an international conglomerate and has been since the merger with Amoco. The drilling was being done by Halliburton on a rig owned by Transocean - and I don't think that either of those two have a connection with the mother country at all. I presume that the technology used and practices followed were the reponsibility of the authority who grants offshore licences in the GoM. That happens to be the United States Government. So frankly I'd lay responsibility at their door. Safety concerns about the blow-out prevention used by BP/Transocean have been raised here in the UK, so why isn't a regulator doing its job and laying down the law? Those old enough and familiar with the energy industry may remember a disaster in the North Sea in 1988: Piper Alpha. This killed 167 men. It was owned by Occidental - however I don't recall any anti-Amercian feeling at the time along the lines of the carefully-orchestrated anti-British feeling in the USA right now. There was just deep sadness for the families involved and a strong will at regulatory level to ensure that it never happened again. Having worked in the offshore industry myself, I can attest that absolutely everything changed after Piper Alpha, not least the attitude to safety versus cost-cutting. Having also seen the GoM offshore industry, I'm aware of some pretty gung-ho practices that go on there. I attended a survival and firefighting course in Aberdeen (mandatory before working in the UK offshore sector) and one of the lecturers was a Piper Alpha survivor. Apparently the rule on Piper Alpha was that if there was a fire the crew should go to the helideck to await rescue. This wasn't possible due to the 300-foot flames engulfing it. So the chap I met went to the accommodation block. I asked him why and his answer was because I didn't want to die alone. I worked in Aberdeen with a number of folks who'd lost family in Piper Alpha. Call me a bit sensitive on the subject but if I were you I'd pray for the families of the 11 blokes who died on the rig rather than making jokes about it. cheers Dave G0OIL --- On Wed, 16/6/10, w0...@aol.com w0...@aol.com wrote: From: w0...@aol.com w0...@aol.com Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Warning-Get Ready To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Date: Wednesday, 16 June, 2010, 13:18 Dave may have overlooked that BP's oil from the colony shall be washing ashore in the mother country just in time for the Brit's need .. ;) WHAT THIS COUNTRY NEEDS ARE MORE UNEMPLOYED POLITICIANS In a message dated 6/16/2010 2:55:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mausop...@btinternet.com writes: I think to be fair that the Telegraph is a British newspaper so reports from a British point of view. However. After the absence of any sensible energy policy for about the last 25 years, Britain will have plenty of blackouts coming, and not related to solar flares - merely due to lack of generation capacity. As recent governments have played the eco card and pursued the myth of wind, wave and solar energy and climate change they have neglected the core generating capacity that needs to sit behind them. Britain's generating capacity relies over-heavily on gas, the stocks of which are dwindling in the North Sea and which will soon have to be imported in large qualtities. This problem is exacerbated by lack of investment in infrastructure: we can store only a few days' worth of gas whereas many other EU countries can store weeks' worth. The green agenda pushed by politicians and other non-scientists has caused us to lose sight of energy security. Britain has huge coal stocks though lack of investment in (a) mining and (b) power stations to burn the stuff mean that we're in no position to use it. Many of our power stations are coming to the end of their lives, and nothing new is being built to replace them. Wind turbines cost more to build and maintain then they ever generate - they exists merely because of political pressure and due to the various subsidies (much of which are paid for by YOU via your gas/electricity bill, BTW) that HMG pays landowners to install them. Solar panels have a distinct limitation when you want power at 10pm on a Sunday night in January. I'd buy a diesel generator if I were you. They also come in useful for field day
Re: [DX-CHAT] Warning-Get Ready
I think it was pretty obvious that GM4FDM's comment was tongue in cheek. You seem to take everything literally, as evidenced by your subsequent commentary. About the only cogent comments you made were that you don't have a good energy policy there (we sure don't either on this side of the pond!), and that your infrastructure is lacking in storage capacity. Climate change is not a myth! Nor is the value of wind, solar, and other non-fossil fuel energy devices. What it is, is underdeveloped! That's partly due to the lack of a good energy policy, which we all seem to be without. If we don't start pushing hard on technological advancement, which will surely lead to cost reduction over time, we will be saddled with high alternative energy costs. That's obvious too, as it is with anything that doesn't get sufficient attention and investment in order to develop cheaper and better versions. Just about anything you own cost a lot more initially when it was in its infant state of development. Cell phones, computers, radios, TV's,--everything! You can front end a bunch of development money with some significant benefit, but the real benefit will come when demand, either natural or mandated, stimulates the developers to compete more effectively as to cost, etc. The more they sell, the more they can invest in technology, and the cheaper it will get (at least in constant currency terms). Even at this rather early stage of solar panel development, we are starting to see this effect. The same goes for battery technology. It's not just the politicians and non-scientists that are pushing this eco stuff either. Most of the scientific community is as well, at least those with the true expertise in these matters. Indeed there are naysayers, and some of them have credentials, but they are a definite minority. Unfortunately, many of these so called experts are being paid by energy companies to refute the claims of climate change, and most of them will do anything for money. As bad as you think your energy policy is, it's nowhere near as bad as ours! Ours is loaded with the effects of graft and greed. Our politicians have been effectively bribed, and there is no effective oversight. That has to change! Maybe more damaging is the incredible amount of bad information that is being circulated. People just won't take time to really get the facts! By the way, I don't subscribe at all to the ignorance that tends to have the current criticism of BP extend to the U.K. in general. That's nonsense! BP is an international company, and there is just about as much investment by U.S. investors as there is U.K. investment. Even the chinese have a big stake now. At one time BP might have been more british, but the world has changed dramatically since then. Also, some years ago, BP merged with Atlantic Richfield, a very large U.S. company, and immediately became a hybrid genetically. And BP is no better or worse than a bunch of other big companies, many of which are perhaps more U.S. in nature. They all are cutting corners, and that needs to stop! The oceans between us don't mean much anymore. We need to better understand that, and try and get into the same boat philosophically. What's good for you is almost certainly good for us, and vice versa. I realize that you, as someone who apparently is more directly involved in the energy industry, may feel you are being hurt more specifically by all of this, but that totally ignores the big picture, and the population as a whole. Besides, a good energy policy should deal with this, and do so effectively, to mitigate any such effect. Also, even if we really get serious about doing something, things aren't going to change overnight, or anything close to it! What seems clear to me is that, instead of pouring money into oil wars, we need to commit that money and effort into regaining our independence! It has to be obvious by now what fools we are to allow mid-east oil to control our lives and destiny! Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: DAVE WHITE To: bhw...@hughes.net ; DX-CHAT ; thomaswy...@sky.com Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Warning-Get Ready I think to be fair that the Telegraph is a British newspaper so reports from a British point of view. However. After the absence of any sensible energy policy for about the last 25 years, Britain will have plenty of blackouts coming, and not related to solar flares - merely due to lack of generation capacity. As recent governments have played the eco card and pursued the myth of wind, wave and solar energy and climate change they have neglected the core generating capacity that needs to sit behind them. Britain's generating capacity relies over-heavily on gas, the stocks of which are dwindling in the North Sea and which will soon have to be imported in large
Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] Warning-Get Ready
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Warning-Get Ready
Climate change is not a myth! That is not an appropriate topic for this e-mail list. However, since you opened the door, climate change is an unproven theory backed by junk science and made up data. Only serious and independent research will prove the theory. Until such time as the theory has been completely vetted and proven, there is no basis for using it to set public policy or drive legislation either parochially or globally. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 6/16/2010 10:39 AM, David Yarnes wrote: I think it was pretty obvious that GM4FDM's comment was tongue in cheek. You seem to take everything literally, as evidenced by your subsequent commentary. About the only cogent comments you made were that you don't have a good energy policy there (we sure don't either on this side of the pond!), and that your infrastructure is lacking in storage capacity. Climate change is not a myth! Nor is the value of wind, solar, and other non-fossil fuel energy devices. What it is, is underdeveloped! That's partly due to the lack of a good energy policy, which we all seem to be without. If we don't start pushing hard on technological advancement, which will surely lead to cost reduction over time, we will be saddled with high alternative energy costs. That's obvious too, as it is with anything that doesn't get sufficient attention and investment in order to develop cheaper and better versions. Just about anything you own cost a lot more initially when it was in its infant state of development. Cell phones, computers, radios, TV's,--everything! You can front end a bunch of development money with some significant benefit, but the real benefit will come when demand, either natural or mandated, stimulates the developers to compete more effectively as to cost, etc. The more they sell, the more they can invest in technology, and the cheaper it will get (at least in constant currency terms). Even at this rather early stage of solar panel development, we are starting to see this effect. The same goes for battery technology. It's not just the politicians and non-scientists that are pushing this eco stuff either. Most of the scientific community is as well, at least those with the true expertise in these matters. Indeed there are naysayers, and some of them have credentials, but they are a definite minority. Unfortunately, many of these so called experts are being paid by energy companies to refute the claims of climate change, and most of them will do anything for money. As bad as you think your energy policy is, it's nowhere near as bad as ours! Ours is loaded with the effects of graft and greed. Our politicians have been effectively bribed, and there is no effective oversight. That has to change! Maybe more damaging is the incredible amount of bad information that is being circulated. People just won't take time to really get the facts! By the way, I don't subscribe at all to the ignorance that tends to have the current criticism of BP extend to the U.K. in general. That's nonsense! BP is an international company, and there is just about as much investment by U.S. investors as there is U.K. investment. Even the chinese have a big stake now. At one time BP might have been more british, but the world has changed dramatically since then. Also, some years ago, BP merged with Atlantic Richfield, a very large U.S. company, and immediately became a hybrid genetically. And BP is no better or worse than a bunch of other big companies, many of which are perhaps more U.S. in nature. They all are cutting corners, and that needs to stop! The oceans between us don't mean much anymore. We need to better understand that, and try and get into the same boat philosophically. What's good for you is almost certainly good for us, and vice versa. I realize that you, as someone who apparently is more directly involved in the energy industry, may feel you are being hurt more specifically by all of this, but that totally ignores the big picture, and the population as a whole. Besides, a good energy policy should deal with this, and do so effectively, to mitigate any such effect. Also, even if we really get serious about doing something, things aren't going to change overnight, or anything close to it! What seems clear to me is that, instead of pouring money into oil wars, we need to commit that money and effort into regaining our independence! It has to be obvious by now what fools we are to allow mid-east oil to control our lives and destiny! Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: DAVE WHITE To: bhw...@hughes.net ; DX-CHAT ; thomaswy...@sky.com Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Warning-Get Ready I think to be fair that the Telegraph is a British newspaper so reports from a British point of view. However. After the absence of any sensible energy policy for about the last 25 years, Britain will have plenty of blackouts coming, and not related to solar flares - merely
