RE: Packages to add to Edubuntu's 2nd CD
The impression I got was that the Student Control Panel is specifically an LTSP thing. This won't do anything in an environment like ours, which is why I suggested iTALC. Correct me if I'm unaware of something. There is also quite a benefit to it being semi-platform-independent. Simón From: David Trask [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 1/10/2007 1:42 PM To: Simon Ruiz Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Packages to add to Edubuntu's 2nd CD Simon Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: iTALC (italc.sourceforge.net) - intelligent Teaching And Learning with Computers - This is a classroom management tool in the Big Brother tradition of keeping tabs on what the students are doing. It also offers all kinds of neat functionality to the teacher such as allowing the teacher to display their screen onto all of the students' screens. One of the neater aspects of this is that, for heterogenous schools like mine, there is both a Linux and Windows version of both the Master and Client sides of the application. The new Student Control Panel will do this. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School [EMAIL PROTECTED] (207)923-3100 -- edubuntu-devel mailing list edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
Re: Packages to add to Edubuntu's 2nd CD
Simon Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The impression I got was that the Student Control Panel is specifically an LTSP thing. This won't do anything in an environment like ours, which is why I suggested iTALC. Correct me if I'm unaware of something. There is also quite a benefit to it being semi-platform-independent. Simón Ah...good pointmisunderstood your usage scenario.AFAIK it is for use in an LTSP setup of Edubuntu David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School [EMAIL PROTECTED] (207)923-3100 -- edubuntu-devel mailing list edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
Re: Packages to add to Edubuntu's 2nd CD
Hi, On Tue, 09 Jan 2007, Jordan Mantha wrote: I've started a list of potential candidates [1] that I found trolling around the web You might get some extra inspiration here, if you haven't looked already: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Software?highlight=%28%5EDebianEdu%2F%5B%5E%2F%5D%2A%24%29 and would really like to get feedback on them and other packages to include so please take a look and discuss it. Is moodle already on the main cd? http://moodle.org Not my thing personally, but some might be interested in gnomesword. http://gnomesword.sourceforge.net/ One minor comment. I don't have any particular issue with the second cd but I think it important not to overload edubuntu's default install with applications -- in particular the existing philosophy of choosing one application per task is a good one in my opinion. Having two independent programs for a given task can cause confusion among groups of users. Gavin -- edubuntu-devel mailing list edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
Re: Packages to add to Edubuntu's 2nd CD
Hello all! I've been lurking on this mailing list for quite a long time. But by reading this last two emails, I've decided to participate active. Next month in February I will start a case study in my ex-high school using Edubuntu. It will be a test project and i've tried to soak up as much information as possible in the last few months. The link that Gavin posted is very useful, especially the Skole Software Overview, even though I will focus on Edubuntu, i thought that it was quite useful and I've been looking for something similar the last two months. So, thank you Gavin! That said, I've found various applications that could be useful for students during lessons in classes. BUT I haven't really found any applications that could be useful for teachers, and if we want schools to jump on the bandwagon we need more applications for teachers. I have found KEduca, but haven't found it very useful and user-friendly, although it combines a BRILLIANT idea. For those who don't know what it is, it's an application that lets you build questionaires and multiple choice tests, but I haven't really found any pre-made tests that would state an example. However, I then logged onto #edu-kde where people told me that this application (KEduca) is no longer maintained but they're working on a follow-up, which will be better. I'm looking specifically for an application that lets teachers administrate their pupils marks, which I know for sure that they're using something on windows for that. I think the time-table/class schedule could be maintained by using SchoolTool?! And then something similar to KEduca would be nice, in the meantime I will let the teachers use OpenOffice Writer for compiling their tests, but a special application for that would be neat ;) Thanks for everyone for creating such wonderful applications and good luck to everyone who's starting such a project like me ;) It's a great day for freedom! thanks for reading, all the best theresa Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2007 10:22 schrieb Gavin McCullagh: Hi, On Tue, 09 Jan 2007, Jordan Mantha wrote: I've started a list of potential candidates [1] that I found trolling around the web You might get some extra inspiration here, if you haven't looked already: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Software?highlight=%28%5EDebianEdu%2F%5B%5 E%2F%5D%2A%24%29 and would really like to get feedback on them and other packages to include so please take a look and discuss it. Is moodle already on the main cd? http://moodle.org Not my thing personally, but some might be interested in gnomesword. http://gnomesword.sourceforge.net/ One minor comment. I don't have any particular issue with the second cd but I think it important not to overload edubuntu's default install with applications -- in particular the existing philosophy of choosing one application per task is a good one in my opinion. Having two independent programs for a given task can cause confusion among groups of users. Gavin -- edubuntu-devel mailing list edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
Re: Packages to add to Edubuntu's 2nd CD
Hi, On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Theresa wrote: I have found KEduca, but haven't found it very useful and user-friendly, although it combines a BRILLIANT idea. For those who don't know what it is, it's an application that lets you build questionaires and multiple choice tests, but I haven't really found any pre-made tests that would state an example. If it's just for some on/off-line class tests, have you looked at Moodle? In moodle you create courses with among other things content, online tests, questionnaires, etc. Students then use a web browser to login to the course, do the test (you can specify times, time limits, etc.). There's no installation per computer at all. http://moodle.org/ You could use it within the classroom or outside. The teacher gets presented with a full break down of results for each student and I think I recall that they can export them to CSV (for reading with Excel/OpenOffice Calc). Gavin -- edubuntu-devel mailing list edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
Re: Packages to add to Edubuntu's 2nd CD
On Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:27, Bruno Coudoin wrote: Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 14:17 -0800, Jordan Mantha a écrit : I've started a list of potential candidates [1] that I found trolling around the web and would really like to get feedback on them and other packages to include so please take a look and discuss it. [0] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-on-two-cds [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/EdubuntuMIRCandidates I saw childsplay in your list. While it's a good software, it's not as rich as GCompris. Of course size matters and GCompris is really big but Edubuntu, despite this found a way to put it on their single CD. -- Bruno Coudoin http://gcompris.net Free educational software for kids http://toulibre.org Logiciel Libre à Toulouse I agree with Bruno. Without Gcompris, the CD is severely lacking in variety for pre-school and primary schools. regards, Richard. -- edubuntu-devel mailing list edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
Re: Packages to add to Edubuntu's 2nd CD
Bruno Coudoin wrote: Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 14:17 -0800, Jordan Mantha a écrit : I've started a list of potential candidates [1] that I found trolling around the web and would really like to get feedback on them and other packages to include so please take a look and discuss it. [0] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-on-two-cds [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/EdubuntuMIRCandidates I saw childsplay in your list. While it's a good software, it's not as rich as GCompris. Of course size matters and GCompris is really big but Edubuntu, despite this found a way to put it on their single CD. Just to be clear, we don't plan on removing any of the current Edubuntu apps. I'm looking for in addition to. We plan on moving the educational applications to the 2nd CD where there will be a choice of something like Young Children, High School, and University which will install an appropriate selection of packages from the 2nd CD. The 1st will bring back in the packages we had to remove from Ubuntu (mono-based apps for example) and allow for room to work on the Edubuntu documentation, artwork, and server setup. -Jordan -- edubuntu-devel mailing list edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
Re: Packages to add to Edubuntu's 2nd CD
Gavin McCullagh wrote: Hi, On Tue, 09 Jan 2007, Jordan Mantha wrote: I've started a list of potential candidates [1] that I found trolling around the web You might get some extra inspiration here, if you haven't looked already: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Software?highlight=%28%5EDebianEdu%2F%5B%5E%2F%5D%2A%24%29 and would really like to get feedback on them and other packages to include so please take a look and discuss it. Is moodle already on the main cd? http://moodle.org Moodle is not on the cd yet. We would like to but we need to do some overhaul of the packaging and work on security (Moodle doesn't have the best security history, which is a problem for getting it into the Main repository) Not my thing personally, but some might be interested in gnomesword. http://gnomesword.sourceforge.net/ One minor comment. I don't have any particular issue with the second cd but I think it important not to overload edubuntu's default install with applications -- in particular the existing philosophy of choosing one application per task is a good one in my opinion. Having two independent programs for a given task can cause confusion among groups of users. That's what we are attempting to do. We are building in flexibility, to allow for Edubuntu to be applicable from preschool kids to university classrooms, while retaining they one application per task philosophy. I'm trying to pick out the best educational software we have in Universe to include on the 2nd CD. We aren't going to just dump all of them on every Edubuntu machine but allow for some customization of install. The spec I linked to in my original email has more details about that. Thanks for the suggestions. -Jordan -- edubuntu-devel mailing list edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
Re: Packages to add to Edubuntu's 2nd CD
Edubuntu Devel Group edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com writes: One minor comment. I don't have any particular issue with the second cd but I think it important not to overload edubuntu's default install with applications -- in particular the existing philosophy of choosing one application per task is a good one in my opinion. Having two independent programs for a given task can cause confusion among groups of users. We hashed this out a lot at UDS Mtn. View.due to the addition of some important server components like Samba/LDAP...and so forth the room on the 1st CD is becoming squeezed. By moving some of the edu apps to a second CD (more for folks who don't have good bandwidth to use Add/Remove Packages) that room is gained to make more room for the new server components. Ografeel free to correct me if I'm wrong. ;-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School [EMAIL PROTECTED] (207)923-3100 -- edubuntu-devel mailing list edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
Re: Packages to add to Edubuntu's 2nd CD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have found KEduca, but haven't found it very useful and user-friendly, although it combines a BRILLIANT idea. For those who don't know what it is, it's an application that lets you build questionaires and multiple choice tests, but I haven't really found any pre-made tests that would state an example. However, I then logged onto #edu-kde where people told me that this application (KEduca) is no longer maintained but they're working on a follow-up, which will be better. I'm looking specifically for an application that lets teachers administrate their pupils marks, which I know for sure that they're using something on windows for that. I think the time-table/class schedule could be maintained by using SchoolTool?! And then something similar to KEduca would be nice, in the meantime I will let the teachers use OpenOffice Writer for compiling their tests, but a special application for that would be neat ;) I happen to agree with you on KEducaI can't get people to use it. There are too many online services or even Hot Potatoes http://hotpot.uvic.ca/ that seem to be more user-friendly. It'd be cool if Keduca was prettier :-) David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School [EMAIL PROTECTED] (207)923-3100 -- edubuntu-devel mailing list edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
Re: Packages to add to Edubuntu's 2nd CD
Simon Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: iTALC (italc.sourceforge.net) - intelligent Teaching And Learning with Computers - This is a classroom management tool in the Big Brother tradition of keeping tabs on what the students are doing. It also offers all kinds of neat functionality to the teacher such as allowing the teacher to display their screen onto all of the students' screens. One of the neater aspects of this is that, for heterogenous schools like mine, there is both a Linux and Windows version of both the Master and Client sides of the application. The new Student Control Panel will do this. David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School [EMAIL PROTECTED] (207)923-3100 -- edubuntu-devel mailing list edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
Re: Packages to add to Edubuntu's 2nd CD
GCompris ROCKS! We use it every day with kindergarten students. Richard/g [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:27, Bruno Coudoin wrote: Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 14:17 -0800, Jordan Mantha a écrit : I've started a list of potential candidates [1] that I found trolling around the web and would really like to get feedback on them and other packages to include so please take a look and discuss it. [0] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-on-two-cds [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/EdubuntuMIRCandidates I saw childsplay in your list. While it's a good software, it's not as rich as GCompris. Of course size matters and GCompris is really big but Edubuntu, despite this found a way to put it on their single CD. -- Bruno Coudoin http://gcompris.net Free educational software for kids http://toulibre.org Logiciel Libre à Toulouse I agree with Bruno. Without Gcompris, the CD is severely lacking in variety for pre-school and primary schools. regards, Richard. -- edubuntu-devel mailing list edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel David N. Trask Technology Teacher/Director Vassalboro Community School [EMAIL PROTECTED] (207)923-3100 -- edubuntu-devel mailing list edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
Re: Packages to add to Edubuntu's 2nd CD
Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 14:17 -0800, Jordan Mantha a écrit : I've started a list of potential candidates [1] that I found trolling around the web and would really like to get feedback on them and other packages to include so please take a look and discuss it. [0] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-on-two-cds [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/EdubuntuMIRCandidates I saw childsplay in your list. While it's a good software, it's not as rich as GCompris. Of course size matters and GCompris is really big but Edubuntu, despite this found a way to put it on their single CD. -- Bruno Coudoin http://gcompris.net Free educational software for kids http://toulibre.org Logiciel Libre à Toulouse -- edubuntu-devel mailing list edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
