[Elecraft] KPA 100 fan problem
Hi Yesterday I turned on and the fan came on even though the heatsink was cold and when I tried to TX 'PA hot' came on and the PA was inhibited. 1. CAL tpa is 220 which is about right ~ 22C and Fan menu set nor. 2. On TX - Q3 base is 0.6v - which I think is about right (RC4 going high of course) 3. On U1 RC7 is 5 and RC6 is low which is the correct output for Fan Hi - which is what it is doing. 4. Power control less than 10w and the K2 sends OK 5. Firmware PA 1.06 Any ideas? 73 Bob G3PJT ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Message to David Runk AA3EJ
Please excuse the bandwidth. David, I am getting your emails, but you are apparently not getting my responses. I receive no bounce notices, so please check your junk mail folder or send me an alternate email address. 73, Don W3FPR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] KPA 100 fan problem
Bob, If CAL TPA is actually 220, that is much too high - The K2 microprocessor thinks the heat sink is at 220 degrees C!! Set it back to match the room temperature in degrees C when the heat sink is at the ambient temperature. (i.e. 22 rather than 220). 73, Don W3FPR -Original Message- Yesterday I turned on and the fan came on even though the heatsink was cold and when I tried to TX 'PA hot' came on and the PA was inhibited. 1. CAL tpa is 220 which is about right ~ 22C and Fan menu set nor. 2. On TX - Q3 base is 0.6v - which I think is about right (RC4 going high of course) 3. On U1 RC7 is 5 and RC6 is low which is the correct output for Fan Hi - which is what it is doing. 4. Power control less than 10w and the K2 sends OK 5. Firmware PA 1.06 Any ideas? 73 Bob G3PJT ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] KBT2 charging question
Doug, I finally looked at your reference, and find that your quoted voltage is only a portion of the charging spec. While a float voltage at 13.6 to 13.7 volts is OK, it will not fully charge the battery until applied for a very long time (many tens of hours, maybe even hundreds of hours). Notice the 'float voltage' you quoted is only the last part of the recommended charging cycle: 1) charge with a constant current of 580 ma until the terminal voltage reaches 14.4 to 14.7 volts. then 2) Hold the terminal voltage at 14.4 to 14.7 volts until the current drops to 29 ma. 3) After that, stop charging or hold the float voltage at 13.5 to 13.8 volts. The KBT2 uses a series resistor to limit current, and the series diode voltage drop must be considered too. The KBT2 instructions correctly state that a voltage of 14.0 volts is recommended. For those who want to fully charge the internal battery and maintain that condition properly, I refer you to the SmartCharger article on my website http://w3fpr.qrpradio.com which shows how I connected an external 3 state charger to my internal battery (fused for safety). I operate my QRP K2 from the battery at all times (no other power source connected) and the 3 state charger keeps the battery topped off. One could use a solar panel controller to charge the battery in place of the AC powered SmartCharger that I used - I am thinking of adding a solar controller here. 73, Don w3FPR -Original Message- Take a look at the charging specifications from the datasheet: http://www.powerfactorinc.com/Batteries/ps-1229.htm It appears that the 100 - 200 mv drop across the shockey diode is acceptable. This lowers the 13.8 volt output from the power supply to 13.6 to 13.7 volts. The float voltage can go as low as 13.5 volts across the battery terminals. Doug (KE7GYQ) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 31, Issue 3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The K2 has a series diode in the power supply line for reverse polarity protection - that diode drops about .2 volts. What that means is: to obtain 13.8 volts at the battery terminals, one must connect a supply of 14.0 volts to the K2 to maintain full charge on the battery. There is an intenal pot in the Astron to adjust the output voltage, so it may be a simple matter to increase the Astron voltage - locating the correct pot may be more of a challenge, be certain you adjust the proper pot. 73, Don W3FPR I adjusted my Astron to 14.1V output using the internal pot, but be warned that it is a semi-major project. The pot is on the underside of the small floating board IIRC; every time I wanted to adjust it, I had to short out the large electrolytic capacitor in the Astron, unscrew the board, pull it up, make a guess as to how much to adjust it, screw it back down, power up the supply, check the voltage, see that it's still wrong, power down, short out the cap, unscrew the board There may be an easier way to do it but it wasn't obvious. I'd guess that it took me a dozen iterations. I don't ever want to mess with it again. What was Astron thinking burying the pot where it can't be safely and readily accessed just by removing the cover??? Cathy N5WVR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 31, Issue 3
Cathy: For future possible adjustments... REMOVE the pot and reinstall it on the SOLDER SIDE of the PC board... then it'll be on top where you can easily access it! Saves a LOT OF HASSLE! And it's a SIMPLE one-time task to perform. If you do a lot of voltage adjustment (though few of us do), you could always remove that PC-mount pot and replace it with a chassis-mount pot (installed on the back of the case) attached to the PC board via three wires. 73, Tom N0SS At 07:44 AM 11/3/2006, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The K2 has a series diode in the power supply line for reverse polarity protection - that diode drops about .2 volts. What that means is: to obtain 13.8 volts at the battery terminals, one must connect a supply of 14.0 volts to the K2 to maintain full charge on the battery. There is an intenal pot in the Astron to adjust the output voltage, so it may be a simple matter to increase the Astron voltage - locating the correct pot may be more of a challenge, be certain you adjust the proper pot. 73, Don W3FPR I adjusted my Astron to 14.1V output using the internal pot, but be warned that it is a semi-major project. The pot is on the underside of the small floating board IIRC; every time I wanted to adjust it, I had to short out the large electrolytic capacitor in the Astron, unscrew the board, pull it up, make a guess as to how much to adjust it, screw it back down, power up the supply, check the voltage, see that it's still wrong, power down, short out the cap, unscrew the board There may be an easier way to do it but it wasn't obvious. I'd guess that it took me a dozen iterations. I don't ever want to mess with it again. What was Astron thinking burying the pot where it can't be safely and readily accessed just by removing the cover??? Cathy N5WVR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Unstable AGC?
Hello Elecrafters, I have recently gotten back to digital modes with the K2. It is a ten watt K2, not the 100 watt version. Readers of QRP-L may recall my post about tracking down trouble with the KI02 which turned out to be a blown IC on the KI02 board. Now, another problem has (re?) appeared. I think it has always been there, and it led to my doing the mod to adjust the audio input AGC line on the SSB board some time ago. But, it still is happening. Here's the problem. After adjusting the transmitter for either SSTV or PSK31, with any of the standard programs, the output stubbornly falls off to less than a watt, unpredictably. When I first adjust the output for PSK31, for instance, the radio idles at 3 watts and jumps to well over five watts when there is signal--and can even jump to nearly 7 watts when the program goes into the steady tone before it changes over to transmit. I'm keeping the K2 output setting via the front panel power control at five watts. I'm not feeling any signs of heat underneath the K2, so I'm not thinking overheating. The sound card is NOT unstable, as it puts out a stable drive to my old Yaesu 757GX (which I can drive consistently from 5 to 100 watts, without instability of output.) The interface is a commercial interface with a back panel pot to adjust mike input (so there's not much chance the input is too low). Any thoughts on this? Is this a common problem? Oh, and I note that switching to CW gives full normal output. Since the Yaesu is now 20 years old or so, it doesn't do Ham Radio Deluxe, which is a great way to operate the K2. Otherwise, I'd just use the Yaesu with the power cut. PSK31 doesn't need a 100 watt rig--five watts are almost always plenty.I hate the idea of having to add another rig to the shack, just for digital modes and computer controlled operation. Thanks for suggestions. Preston Douglas WJ2V 216 Harborview North Lawrence, NY 11559 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] SSB output overshoot
At 22:55 02/11/2006, Mike Harris wrote: G'day, I have now done the resistor mod to no effect and will probably revert 'cos I don't like how I had to add the 1K0 in series with the base of Q1. Hi Mike, ISTR making the ALC *very* much more aggressive to tackle this, especially on 80m. I think I cut the track to include a resistor to the Q1 base and changed another resistor. I can't remember the details (such as the values I ended up using) since it was more than a year ago that I was experimenting with this. When I next get a chance, I'll open up my K2 to refresh my memory. Since I made those changes, I don't see any significant difference in SSB output levels between bands and it's reasonably well tamed. I do find the peak RF on SSB higher than the keyed RF level on CW, but that applies to all bands. I've just got used to turning the requested power control down a bit to keep within the 400W UK legal limit with the K2 driving an Acom 1000, so it's not really been a problem. You might want to experiment with more aggressive ALC around the Q1 base on the KSB2 to see if you can tame it. BTW, I have never seen a good explanation that includes an overview of the firmware's part in the ALC control. There appear to be two separate control loops here. With the later firmware changes to the main PIC, one of those control loops only appears to be active in ALC meter mode. With earlier (pre KPA100) firmware versions, it would apply in RF meter mode, albeit being polled much less frequently, and in ALC meter mode with very frequent AUXBUS operation. I had found that by monitoring the AUXBUS with a scope in both modes and both firmware versions. Elecraft were unaware of this difference but Wayne was too busy to respond in detail at the time. The other control loop is based on RFDET being fed back and compared with a DAC level using the PIC on the KSB2. This seems to be an area of the K2 design that would be good to have a decent explanation of including a summary pseudo-code algorithm of what the firmware is doing to control the ALC. I have yet to see a detailed description how BOTH of these control loops work, so if anyone has any more details on this, I'd appreciate the wisdom being shared :-) Good luck, 73, David M0DHO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Powered speakers for K2
On Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:44:51 -0500, George wrote: I bought a set of Altec Lansing Powered Audio stereo speakers at Wal Mart last week and am fairly pleased with the sound quality and volume. Can they be run from 12V or internal battery, and are they available any place else but Wal-Mart, on line or other? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: CW Sweepstakes Contest
I’ve worked the CW SS since 1958 when, as a 14-year-old Novice (KN9LWV), I was thrilled to win the WI Section Novice Award with 103 QSOs in 38 sections. That only took 24 hours and several crystals to accomplish :) Almost fifty years later, this old body finds it difficult to operate the full time period, particularly in the wee morning hours and also Sunday afternoon. I'll be QRP with my K2 #1429 to a Force 12 C-4SXL 40-10M beam at 70', and a 176' doublet at 65'. I anticipate having to duke it out with the QRO stations mainly on 40 and 80M here in the upper Midwest, although 20M should be decent during the day. I believe there is a first-time attempt to get folks together on 160M during from 0100 to 0200z toward the end of the contest. Watch 10 and 15M, as these 'dead' bands surprise us with the sudden rise in propagation during contests! I'm selling my house, having remarried and moved across town to a 'less-friendly-to-big-antennas' neighborhood. Next year's setup will probably be more typical of many hams ... a 'stealth' vertical in the backyard and an attic doublet :( So, this will be a 'last hurrah' for me with access to good antennas. Good luck to all, and yes, 30M is a good place to escape the madhouse if you don't like contests. 72/73 Todd N9NE Oshkosh, WI -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.25/515 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KPA 100 fan problem
Don, Sorry, I seem to have had a 'senior moment'. On resetting its now OK! Sorry for the bandwidth. Dunno how it got to 220 but one of those things in life. I will keep taking the pills! 73 Bob G3PJT Don Wilhelm wrote: Bob, If CAL TPA is actually 220, that is much too high - The K2 microprocessor thinks the heat sink is at 220 degrees C!! Set it back to match the room temperature in degrees C when the heat sink is at the ambient temperature. (i.e. 22 rather than 220). 73, Don W3FPR -Original Message- Yesterday I turned on and the fan came on even though the heatsink was cold and when I tried to TX 'PA hot' came on and the PA was inhibited. 1. CAL tpa is 220 which is about right ~ 22C and Fan menu set nor. 2. On TX - Q3 base is 0.6v - which I think is about right (RC4 going high of course) 3. On U1 RC7 is 5 and RC6 is low which is the correct output for Fan Hi - which is what it is doing. 4. Power control less than 10w and the K2 sends OK 5. Firmware PA 1.06 Any ideas? 73 Bob G3PJT ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] FOX: Mobile Team?
Todd here again, I have refrained from posting Fox Hunt information on this reflector but am getting desperate and hope to interest one or two of you with this proposal. I am attempting to form a 40M hunt mobile team. We need five folks to form a team, and I have three at this point. The hunt begins next Thursday evening, so time is of the essence. My setup is K2 #1429 @ 5W to a mag-mounted hamstick atop my new Toyota Yaris. The little car stands a millimeter above five feet, and the hamstick is over 7' tall. Looks comical, but the setup works great. We are in this for fun without any pressure whatsoever to 'perform' or make all the hunts. Hunt information can be found on QFOX http://www.qrpfoxhunt.org but I can fill you in on what is important at this point. Please drop me an e-mail direct if you need further information or are ready to join up! Thanks for the bandwidth. 72/73 Todd N9NE/M -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.25/515 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] PB Run on Nov 3rd Update
Sorry, Updates at www.n3epa.org Standard QRP Freq. Leaving for the AT in about 20 minutes. 72 and Thanks, Ron Polityka WB3AAL Polar Bear #1 www.wb3aal.com www.n3epa.org ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] SSB output overshoot
On Friday, November 03, 2006 at 3:27 PM, David M0DHO wrote: snip .I have yet to see a detailed description how BOTH of these control loops work, so if anyone has any more details on this, I'd appreciate the wisdom being shared :-) --- Likewise. I have never been too comfortable with RFDET having two sources tied together, one source at the output of the K2 and the second at the output of the KPA100. 73, Geoff GM4ESD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] SSB output overshoot
Geoff, Your question is a lot easier than the control loop question. The series resistor R66 on the RF board will limit the response of the basic detector in the base K2 when the other devices are installed - consider that the KPA100 (and other options that provide the VRFDET signal) use an op amp output with no series resistor - all options other than the KAT2 use a tri-state device so it can be enabled or disabled under control of the microprocessor(s). This is a bussing technique as opposed to simply connecting several outputs together. 73, Don W3FPR -Original Message- .I have yet to see a detailed description how BOTH of these control loops work, so if anyone has any more details on this, I'd appreciate the wisdom being shared :-) --- Likewise. I have never been too comfortable with RFDET having two sources tied together, one source at the output of the K2 and the second at the output of the KPA100. 73, Geoff GM4ESD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: CW Sweepstakes Contest
Todd, I wish you all the best in your efforts tomorrow. In 2002 I was able to claw my way up to #2 QRP in the US, only beaten by N6TR, who decided to do QRP at W5MWU. I managed to work 881 q's with 79 mults. That was my last shot before I moved to my new QTH. At my old QTH I had monobanders, 40M thru 10M, with tribanders for SP on the second radio. I was using my 2 K2's in SO2R configuration. I've been here for almost 2 years now and still trying to get up some decent antennas. At age 64 I just don't seem to have the gumption to climb towers. I keep telling myself to just do it. So far I've managed to erect a short tower, 35', with a tribander (that has a bad trap, 20M), with a Ham III rotor that has a bad motor now. I just can't seem to get it going. I have some nice monobanders laying on the ground in pieces. Some day I hope to have a 55' tower up with a Skyhawk on it. My point is this, give it all you got tomorrow, who knows what next year will bring. As you know, SS is fun once you get started doing it, and it is a real bummer when you can't join in. To all who may read this, I say give it a try, you may get hooked. Another side benefit for QRPers, it's an easy way to do WAS. It's a real treat to work all ARRL sections, except VE8, in 12 hours. Famous last words, I'll be back John k7up At 09:25 AM 03/11/06, you wrote: I've worked the CW SS since 1958 when, as a 14-year-old Novice (KN9LWV), I was thrilled to win the WI Section Novice Award with 103 QSOs in 38 sections. That only took 24 hours and several crystals to accomplish :) Almost fifty years later, this old body finds it difficult to operate the full time period, particularly in the wee morning hours and also Sunday afternoon. I'll be QRP with my K2 #1429 to a Force 12 C-4SXL 40-10M beam at 70', and a 176' doublet at 65'. I anticipate having to duke it out with the QRO stations mainly on 40 and 80M here in the upper Midwest, although 20M should be decent during the day. I believe there is a first-time attempt to get folks together on 160M during from 0100 to 0200z toward the end of the contest. Watch 10 and 15M, as these 'dead' bands surprise us with the sudden rise in propagation during contests! I'm selling my house, having remarried and moved across town to a 'less-friendly-to-big-antennas' neighborhood. Next year's setup will probably be more typical of many hams ... a 'stealth' vertical in the backyard and an attic doublet :( So, this will be a 'last hurrah' for me with access to good antennas. Good luck to all, and yes, 30M is a good place to escape the madhouse if you don't like contests. 72/73 Todd N9NE Oshkosh, WI -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.25/515 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Heil HMM ic
Hi, Early this year I sold one of my K2 rigs. Someone saw my Heil HMM ic microphone on my desk and ask to buy it. I lost the ham's info regarding the microphone. Please contact me if you are still interested in the HMM ic It is the early Elecraft noise cancelling microphone from Heil that looks a little like the old Motorola hand mikes, Ivory in color. 73 Bob W7WO [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] I also have a set of Un-PCB's original version that are available. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] N2CQ QRP Contest Calendar: Nov 2006
~ N2CQ QRP CONTEST CALENDAR November 2006 ~ 80 METER FOXHUNT - EACH Wenesday 0200z to 0329z (Tue 9 PM to 10:29 PM EST) Info: http://www.qrpfoxhunt.org/ ~ 40 METER FOXHUNT - Each Friday 0200z to 0329z (Thurs 9 PM to 10:29 PM EST) Info: http://www.qrpfoxhunt.org/ ~ HA-QRP Contest (CW - 80 Meters) *** QRP Contest*** Nov 1, z to Nov 7, 2400z Rules: http://www.radiovilag.hu/haqrp2.htm ~ Ukrainian DX Contest (CW/SSB) ... QRP Category Nov 4, 1200z to Nov 5, 1200z Rules: http://www.ucc.zp.ua/urdxc2006rules_eng.htm ~ ARRL Sweepstakes (CW) ... QRP Category Nov 4, 2100z to Nov 6, 0300z Rules: http://www.arrl.org/contests/calendar.html?year=2006 ~ High Speed Club Contest (CW) ... QRP Category Nov 5, 0900z to 1100z and 1500z to 1700z Rules: http://www.dl3bzz.de/html/hscconte.html ~ Adventure Radio Spartan Sprint (CW) *** QRP Contest*** EST: Nov 6, 9 PM - 11 PM UTC: Nov 7, 0200z to 0400z Rules: http://www.arsqrp.com/ ~ 80 METER FOXHUNT (Each Tuesday) EST: Tue Nov 7, 9 PM to 10:29 PM UTC: Wed Nov 8, 0200z to 0329z Info: http://www.qrpfoxhunt.org/ ~ 40 METER FOXHUNT (Each Thursday) EST: Thurs Nov 9, 9 PM to 10:29 PM UTC: Fri Nov 10, 0200z to 0329z Info: http://www.qrpfoxhunt.org/ ~ WAE RTTY Contest (Digital)... 100W Category Nov 11, z to Nov 12, 2359z Rules: http://www.darc.de/referate/dx/xedcwr.htm ~ Japan International DX Contest (phone)... 100w category Nov 11, 0700z to Nov 12, 1300z Rules: http://jidx.org/jidxrule-e.html ~ OK/OM DX Contest (CW) ... QRP Category! Nov 11, 1200z to Nov 12, 1200z Rules: http://okomdx.crk.cz/ ~ Kentucky QSO Party (CW/Ph) Nov 11, 1400z to Nov 12, 0600z Rules: http://www.arrl.org/contests/months/nov.html ~ NAQCC Straight Key/Bug Sprint *** QRP CONTEST! *** EST: Nov 15, 8:30 PM to 10:30 PM UTC: Nov 16, 0130z to 0330z Rules: http://www.arm-tek.net/~yoel/contests.html ~ YO International PSK31 Contest (80 Meters) ... 50W max Nov 17, 1600z to 2200z Rules: http://hamat5.atw.hu/PSKrul2006en.html ~ LZ DX CONTEST (CW/SSB) ... QRP Category Nov 18, 1200z to Nov 19, 1200z Rules: http://www.qsl.net/lz1fw/contest/ ~ ARRL Sweepstakes (Phone) ... QRP Category Nov 18, 2100z to Nov 20, 0300z Rules: http://www.arrl.org/contests/calendar.html?year=2006 ~ HOT Party (CW) ... QRP Category Nov 19, 1300z to 1500z (40 Meters) Nov 19, 1500z to 1700z (80 Meters) (HOMEBREW OLDTIME - EQUIPMENT - PARTY) Rules: http://www.qrpcc.de/ ~ RUN FOR THE BACON (CW) *** QRP CONTEST *** EST: Nov 19, 9 PM to 11 PM UTC: Nov 20, 0200z 0400z Rules: http://fpqrp.com ~ CQ World Wide DX Contest (CW) ... QRP Category! Nov 25, z to Nov 26, 2400z Rules: http://www.cqww.com/ ~ QRP BARBERSHOP QUARTET CONTEST (CW QRP)... QRP Contest! Nov 29, 9 PM to 11 PM EST Rules: http://www.io.com/~n5fc/barbershop_contest.htm ~ QRP ARCI Topband CW SSB Sprint *** QRP CONTEST *** Nov 30, z to 0600z Rules: http://www.qrparci.org/ ~ Thanks to SM3CER, WA7BNM, N0AX(ARRL) and others for assistance in compiling this calendar. Please foreward the contest info you sponsor to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we will post it and give it more publicity. Anyone may use this N2CQ QRP Contest Calendar for your website, newsletter, e-mail list or other media as you choose. (Include a credit to the source of this material of course.) 72 de Ken Newman - N2CQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.amqrp.org/contesting/contesting.html http://www.n3epa.org/Pages/Contest/contest.htm ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list.
Re: [Elecraft] OT: 50 years
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:54:16 -0800, Bob W7AVK wrote: I too was an early 1950s young teen ager with a new WN7VZX call not not long after the novice license was created. In those days the FCC was still going through the available W7 three letter combinations in order the first time since starting in the late 1920s. A few years later they went back and reissued the old calls that had been dropped and my dad received WN7AVK. Which I asked for and received after his passing. :-) I too received my first call (this one) in 1952 while I was in high school. My buddies got the last of the W2s and I had to settle for one from the first batch of the K2s. Boy, was I steamed !! But I got even with the FCCI worked for them for 30 years, retiring 11+ years ago. Neither they nor I emerged the same from that experience g !! Vic -- congrats on getting to 50 years. It didn't happen by accident. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] High current question
My K2/100 is indicating high current draw on a portion of 40 meters but only on the antenna. On the dummy load there is no problem. It's not high SWR as both antennas it happens with (double bazooka and ground mounted Butternut vert) indicate low SWR on my MFJ analyzer, SWR meter and the K2. This occurs at full power of around 100 watts. Any ideas on what may be causing this? I'm using my Drake PS7 power supply which has more than enough amperage and minimal voltage drop. Thanks and 73, Bill NZ0T ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] SSB output overshoot
Don, Thank you for putting me straight on this. On the control loop question I agree with David, M0DHO, that an explanation of the workings of the ALC system would be useful not only in its dynamic state but also in its static state. 73, Geoff GM4ESD - Original Message - Geoff, Your question is a lot easier than the control loop question. The series resistor R66 on the RF board will limit the response of the basic detector in the base K2 when the other devices are installed - consider that the KPA100 (and other options that provide the VRFDET signal) use an op amp output with no series resistor - all options other than the KAT2 use a tri-state device so it can be enabled or disabled under control of the microprocessor(s). This is a bussing technique as opposed to simply connecting several outputs together. 73, Don W3FPR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] High current question
Bill, I have had this problem twice. Check and/or tighten all connections around the 239 on the back of the amp. Once it was a broken solder connection on the tab and another times the screws had come loose. 73's, Jay - KT5E Bill Carpenter wrote: My K2/100 is indicating high current draw on a portion of 40 meters but only on the antenna. On the dummy load there is no problem. It's not high SWR as both antennas it happens with (double bazooka and ground mounted Butternut vert) indicate low SWR on my MFJ analyzer, SWR meter and the K2. This occurs at full power of around 100 watts. Any ideas on what may be causing this? I'm using my Drake PS7 power supply which has more than enough amperage and minimal voltage drop. Thanks and 73, Bill NZ0T ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Unstable AGC?
G'day, What bands would this be happening on? Sounds awful familiar. Regards, Mike VP8NO | After adjusting the transmitter for either SSTV or PSK31, with any of the | standard programs, the output stubbornly falls off to less than a watt, | unpredictably. When I first adjust the output for PSK31, for instance, the radio | idles at 3 watts and jumps to well over five watts when there is signal--and can | even jump to nearly 7 watts when the program goes into the steady tone before | it changes over to transmit. I'm keeping the K2 output setting via the front | panel power control at five watts. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: CW Sweepstakes Contest
I hope to be on for a lot of the contestwith a K2 at 100 W from ME. My dipole or sorta horizontal loop won't knock anyone over, especially on 80, but I hope to see a lot of you this weekend. 73, Bob KX1E ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 31, Issue 3
Tom, that's a great idea,and it never occurred to me. However, it will probably be years before I need to change the voltage again, so at this point I doubt I'll bother. Thanks for the tip, though! Cathy Tom Hammond wrote: Cathy: For future possible adjustments... REMOVE the pot and reinstall it on the SOLDER SIDE of the PC board... then it'll be on top where you can easily access it! Saves a LOT OF HASSLE! And it's a SIMPLE one-time task to perform. If you do a lot of voltage adjustment (though few of us do), you could always remove that PC-mount pot and replace it with a chassis-mount pot (installed on the back of the case) attached to the PC board via three wires. 73, Tom N0SS At 07:44 AM 11/3/2006, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The K2 has a series diode in the power supply line for reverse polarity protection - that diode drops about .2 volts. What that means is: to obtain 13.8 volts at the battery terminals, one must connect a supply of 14.0 volts to the K2 to maintain full charge on the battery. There is an intenal pot in the Astron to adjust the output voltage, so it may be a simple matter to increase the Astron voltage - locating the correct pot may be more of a challenge, be certain you adjust the proper pot. 73, Don W3FPR I adjusted my Astron to 14.1V output using the internal pot, but be warned that it is a semi-major project. The pot is on the underside of the small floating board IIRC; every time I wanted to adjust it, I had to short out the large electrolytic capacitor in the Astron, unscrew the board, pull it up, make a guess as to how much to adjust it, screw it back down, power up the supply, check the voltage, see that it's still wrong, power down, short out the cap, unscrew the board There may be an easier way to do it but it wasn't obvious. I'd guess that it took me a dozen iterations. I don't ever want to mess with it again. What was Astron thinking burying the pot where it can't be safely and readily accessed just by removing the cover??? Cathy N5WVR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Now what did I do??-Delay in Sidetone Turning Back On
Jerry and gang, When one changes the sidetone source to the proper setting via the menu, the sidetone doesn't always come back right away. It seems to come back after the rig is turned off and back on. At least, that's what happened with my rig, and it sounds like what happened with yours. 73 72, Jeff WB5GWB Long Island, NY - Original Message - From: nr5a [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nr5a [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now what did I do?? Guess what? Its back my sidetone is back. What did I do? Well I have no clue. Several people yesterday made comments on what to do, I tried them all and never could get the sidetone to work. Last thing I did last night was key the rig just for grins and of course no sidetone. One of the first things I did this morning was fire up the rig and guess what, sidetone works FB. Ain't electronics great? I have no clue. Jerry - NR5A - South Dakota - Original Message - From: nr5a [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Now what did I do?? I pulled the KAT-2 out of my K2 because it looks like I've managed to blow the diodes out for the 2nd time. How hard is it to remove it? What could I possibly screw up? Take the top cover off, pull the 2 cables, take the nuts of the 2 bnc connectors and remove the ground lug. I mean what could I possibly have done? Next hooked my T-1 auto tuner in line, went to menu and changed InP to Hand. Check it and that works just like its suppose to. But... my sidetone is gone?? What did I mess up this time and how? Some years aren't my year, maybe 2007 will be better?? Jerry - NR5A ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Now what did I do??
If it were me I would look at all the PCB traces having to do with the sidetone and I would touch up those component leads with a soldering iron. Something in that chain is intermittent and your sidetone is... now you have it, now you don't. de Joe, aa4nn - Original Message - From: nr5a [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: nr5a [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Now what did I do?? Guess what? Its back my sidetone is back. What did I do? Well I have no clue. Several people yesterday made comments on what to do, I tried them all and never could get the sidetone to work. Last thing I did last night was key the rig just for grins and of course no sidetone. One of the first things I did this morning was fire up the rig and guess what, sidetone works FB. Ain't electronics great? I have no clue. Jerry - NR5A - South Dakota ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 31, Issue 3
In a message dated 11/3/06 8:45:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What was Astron thinking burying the pot where it can't be safely and readily accessed just by removing the cover??? They didn't want you to adjust it! 73 de Jim, N2EY ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] OT: 50 years
Phil, K2ASP, wrote: I too received my first call (this one) in 1952 while I was in high school. My buddies got the last of the W2s and I had to settle for one from the first batch of the K2s. Boy, was I steamed !! When, in '52 I got W6QAS... That is Wn6QAS... After an interminable wait of about 8 weeks after passing the Novice code and written test at the FCC offices, a buddy about a mile away got an unwelcome surprise. The FCC issued him a K call: Kn6ABD. Everyone knew that the K prefix was used *only* for Ham stations in the military. For example K6USA was the 6th ARMY Hq station at Fort Ord that I operated about ten years later. Anyway, he was crushed and waited until the next day to call the FCC to see what he should do. They explained that there was no mistake. The 6 region (California) had run out of W calls an the FCC was now issuing K prefixes to non-military licensees. All the guys I met who got their calls about the same time I did had assignments scattered all over the sequence, so it was pretty obvious they were reassigning old calls that were unused. But with the huge rush of Novice licensees in the early 50's they didn't last long in the more populated areas like 6-land and 2-land. Very soon only K calls were being issued. Of course there were no two-letter prefixes in use then. It was either a W or a K and a number. I looked forward to getting W6QA one day when I qualified. It used to be one had to be a Ham for a number of years before one could even apply for an Extra class license or a 1x2 call. By the time I qualified, they were no more. And then in the 1970s, it was a matter of taking deep breath and jumping in with an application for a new 2X1 calls the first day they were accepted in the 70's and I got AC6Y. Very nice CW call. The 76th 2X1 issued in California. Then, when I moved to Oregon in '98 I was faced with another issue. I had argued long and hard against allowing Hams to move out of a call district and keep their old call. How in the world will anyone know where the station is by their call if they do that, I asked. But expediency won over tradition and the requirement to have a call that matched the QTH was dropped. But, after spouting off so much about it, I just couldn't hang on to AC6Y while living in Oregon. It wasn't right. So when I submitted my change of address I checked give me a new call and waited to see what the FCC computer might spit out. It came back with AC7AC. Guess I was just fated to have some AC on my signal. Shoot, Phil lives only a few miles from me here and I every time I see his call I think he must be back east G. Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] test
test message, please forget david a belsley professor of economics boston college ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] High Current Question
Bill: You don't tell us where the MFJ is going into the line. Is the same coax that feeds the antenna being plugged into the MFJ? or is it reading from a different point? dave belsley, w1euy My K2/100 is indicating high current draw on a portion of 40 meters but only on the antenna. On the dummy load there is no problem. It's not high SWR as both antennas it happens with (double bazooka and ground mounted Butternut vert) indicate low SWR on my MFJ analyzer, SWR meter and the K2. This occurs at full power of around 100 watts. Any ideas on what may be causing this? I'm using my Drake PS7 power supply which has more than enough amperage and minimal voltage drop. Thanks and 73, Bill NZ0T david a belsley professor of economics boston college ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 31, Issue 3
One thing I never want to see on any ham radio equipment: No user-serviceable parts inside. Cathy, N5WVR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/3/06 8:45:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What was Astron thinking burying the pot where it can't be safely and readily accessed just by removing the cover??? They didn't want you to adjust it! 73 de Jim, N2EY ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] KAT2 Question....is mine working?
I just finished my KAT2, everything cal'd and aligned according to the manual using my DL1 dummy load. When I hook the tuner up to my (10 - 40M) attic dipole and use the tune, I am expecting to hear some relay sounds, but nothing? Within a few second the tuner turns off and give me a (allways) SWR of 1.0 : 1 across all bands. The same is true, even 80M. I really expected to hear some kind of clicking from the relays using 80M, given what it is feeding into. When in the cal mode I can get each one to click when using ht ATU parameters L0 to L8, C0 to 8 and N1,N2 I was able to get C55 down to 004 and R1 and R2 are aligned with what power the DL1 chart reads for voltage vs. output. Thanks, Chuck - K3TNT ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT: 50 years
I became interested in Amateur Radio, 1975 when a friend showed me his single transistor, FM 'transmitter'. Later I learned it was just an unbuffered Colpitts oscillator, about five turns of copper in the coil and a something picofarad capacitor and the 300 ohm twin aerial as part of the tuned circuit, modulated by a tape deck line output on the base of the BD235 transistor. When I discovered Amateur Radio, the literature of the day said that KA+3 callsigns were American military stationed in Japan. Earning my G4ICV in 1979, I learned quickly that those KA callsigns, most of them, were novices in the 21.1 to 21.2 MHz band. I have 'Worked All States' CW as G4ICV, and probably half of my QSL cards are from novices in that segment - a few of them joyously declaring in CW and on the cards that I was their first DX. What a forlorn band that is now. Ian, G4ICV (1979), AB2GR (1999), K2 #4962 (2005) relative rookie at just 27 years as a Radio Amateur. -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 31, Issue 3
One thing I never want to see on any ham radio equipment: No user-serviceable parts inside. Cathy, N5WVR That was one of several reasons I sold my TS850S in 2000 to buy a K2. Another was that I didn't like the notion that Kenwood wanted me to send my ham gear back to the factory to get the battery changed. And when I built a QRP kit in 1998 (TenTec 1340) I found out what good QSK sounded like, and I was never happy with the 850 again. 73 Rick Dettinger K7MW ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Message Reply Etiquette
Hi, I'm not a relector moderator or anything like that, just a simple (minded) reflector user. I've noticed that when replying to a reflector Post, many people don't bother to edit the original Post to include just the minimum needed in relation to their Post...so you wind up re-reading the original Post. This can get tedious, especially if the original was lengthy, and more especially when replying to a previous reply, and including the whole fershlungener mass. Please, a little Message Reply Etiqutte, only citing the absolute minimum of the orginal Post would go a long way towards making reading Postings easier and more enjoyable, not to mention reducing bandwith. After all, most keyboards DO have a Delete key. Just my humble opinion.. Let the Flame War begin! 72 de N8PVZ ---bernie Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.yahoo.com) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
