Re: [Elecraft] wire antennas

2007-02-21 Thread David Wilburn
Yea, that is what has been keeping me away from 160m.  I have several on 
going projects, and I can't start one of that magnitude now.  Might have 
room for a dipole, so will just have to try that.  Once I order some 
ladder line.


David Wilburn
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Don Wilhelm wrote:

Dave,

As far as switching your loop to a 160 top loaded vertical, yes you can do
it remotely with relays and a matching network.  If your goal is efficiency
on 160 meters, the relay switching os only a small part of the equation -
you must have a good RF ground for the vertical to work against, and that
menas lots of wires in the ground, radiating from the base of the antenna.
Some will tell you tht 120 radials will give optimum performance, but 16 or
more will give great performance as well.  If the radials are buried, the
length is not critical, lots of short buried radials will do almost as good
as a moderate number of long ones - see the 160 meter antenna simulation
results that are outlined on L B Cebik's website www.cebik.com.  More
information on low band antennas can be found in ON4UN's Low Band DXing
book - there are many possibilities.

For best results, put the 160 meter matching network at the base of the
antenna and match it to your feedline.

Since there are many possibilities, make some decision even though it may be
a compromise and you too can be successful on 'top-band'.

73,
Don W3FPR



-Original Message-

I am very much enjoying reading the discussions on wire antennas.  I
have something I have been trying to figure out how to do for some time,
and thought this might be a good place to ask.

I have an 80m loop, up about 60 or 70 feet.  Currently it is fed with
300 ohm line.  All I could find at the time, as what I had left in 450
ohm line (after I helped my elderly neighbor get his antenna back up,
and gave him some of the ladder line) was not long enough.
Additionally, I went to the local hamfest this weekend and could not
find a single vendor selling ladder line, but I digress.  I have
approximately 290 feet of wire in the air in a horizontal, triangular
configuration, fed with (soon to be) ladder line, a balun (1:1) and then
coax to the shack.  Is it possible to switch this (seems possible from
what I have read) to a 160m antenna by taking one side to ground at the
balun and feeding the other side?  If this is possible, is there a way
to do this remotely?

David Wilburn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K4DGW


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Re: [Elecraft] wire antennas

2007-02-21 Thread David Wilburn
Yes, and it doesn't work.  This is the second 80m horizontal loop I have 
had, and they just do not like going low.


David Wilburn
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Don wrote:
Have you tried using the antenna on 160 through a tuner just as it is? 
Chances are you can match it even on 160M and if you do you will not 
have to worry about the ground losses you would have feeding it against 
ground (unless using lots of radials).


Don K7FJ

- Original Message - From: David Wilburn 
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I am very much enjoying reading the discussions on wire antennas.  I 
have something I have been trying to figure out how to do for some 
time, and thought this might be a good place to ask.


I have an 80m loop, up about 60 or 70 feet.  Currently it is fed with 
300 ohm line.  All I could find at the time, as what I had left in 450 
ohm line (after I helped my elderly neighbor get his antenna back up, 
and gave him some of the ladder line) was not long enough. 
Additionally, I went to the local hamfest this weekend and could not 
find a single vendor selling ladder line, but I digress.  I have 
approximately 290 feet of wire in the air in a horizontal, triangular 
configuration, fed with (soon to be) ladder line, a balun (1:1) and 
then coax to the shack.  Is it possible to switch this (seems possible 
from what I have read) to a 160m antenna by taking one side to ground 
at the balun and feeding the other side?  If this is possible, is 
there a way to do this remotely?


David Wilburn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K4DGW


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[Elecraft] k1 - frequency range..

2007-02-21 Thread sergio t. ruiz


when i built my k1, i set it up for the 150khz range..

looking back at my manual, it says that it is strongly advised to use 
the 80khz range..


is it strongly enough advised for me to mod my machine and put it back 
to the 80khz range?


thanks!


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Re: [Elecraft] wire antennas

2007-02-21 Thread David Wilburn
If I disconnected one side of the loop from balun, at that point (at 
least from what I have looked at on the web) it is similar to an 
inverted L with the wire wondering around instead of going off in one 
direction like it should.  At that point, an inverted L would need 
radials.  Problem is, this is right at the back side of my house, there 
is a deck and then an above ground pool.  So looking at it from above, I 
could only get radials on about a 90 degree portion.  Seems like a lot 
of trouble to go to for such a small foot print.


I had originally hoped to put enough wire in the air for a 160m loop, 
but my best estimates put me about 100 ft too short.


David Wilburn
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Dale Putnam wrote:
I would be wanting to try to utilize it as a top loaded vertical, tie 
the twinlead feeder together, then treat it as a vertical on 160.
The loop as a loop presents tuff to match situation for most tuners. 
They just run out of capability at that low end. You might try moving 
the length of feedline with a set of coils, one in each lead, you may be 
able to move the match enough using the length of feedline to help the 
tuner get into a working situation.

Worth the effort tho. That should work nicely and let you hear well too.

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Re: [Elecraft] How Much Bench Real Estate is Required to Construct a K2?

2007-02-21 Thread David Wilburn
So far I have been soldering in a space of about 2' x 2', and building 
in a space of about 1' x 4'.  I have sorted the parts out into a couple 
of plastic containers (not the ESD sensitive stuff).  I have the 
container laid out to the side, and the card in front of me for 
building.  It is a bit more cramped than I would like to be, and I put 
all the stuff up when I am not building as the table is the keyboard 
area for this computer and my work computer.  Not an optimal setup, but 
it is working so far.


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Wyn Hughes wrote:

Does anyone have a smaller bench?

Search against 'vr2ax' in qrz.com (recently updated entry)

It is actually a real photo and my idea of 'multi-tasing. ' I had built and 
tested the control and front boards when the photo was taken, was wondering 
where to fit the larger mainboard.

73
Wyn, VR2AX
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Re: [Elecraft] wire antennas

2007-02-21 Thread David Wilburn
Not sure where you are suggesting I open it.  I was considering 
disconnecting the feedline on one side where it connected to the balun. 
 Is this what you mean.  My apologies if it is a silly question.


David Wilburn
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Rick Hiller wrote:

Dave,

Another possibility for 160 -- Don't know to what extent/effort you want to
go to get on 160, but here is an easy way, although, a bit of a compromise.

Simply open the loop at one of the 80 meter voltage loops (also a current
node).  The 80 meter standing wave current distribution /performance will
not change, but it will force the wire to be an off center fed 1/2
wavelength for 160.  Although not quite resonant within the 160 meter band,
if you feed it with open wire and run it thru the appropriate matching
network, you should be right.

Quite possibly, if you adjust your overall length you might be able to find
a length that is 1 wl on 80 where you need it and 1/2 wl on 160 close to
where you want to work.  Have a look at this in EZNEC to see how it will
work for you in your particular situation.  I use this method to run 80 on
my 40 meter delta loop.

It is a lot easier than relays and switches, but Don's good suggestion might
be the preferred solution for you.

GL...Rick -- W5RH   



Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:47:33 -0500
From: Don Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] wire antennas
To: David Wilburn [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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Dave,

As far as switching your loop to a 160 top loaded vertical, yes you can do
it remotely with relays and a matching network.  If your goal is efficiency
on 160 meters, the relay switching os only a small part of the equation -
you must have a good RF ground for the vertical to work against, and that
menas lots of wires in the ground, radiating from the base of the antenna.
Some will tell you tht 120 radials will give optimum performance, but 16 or
more will give great performance as well.  If the radials are buried, the
length is not critical, lots of short buried radials will do almost as good
as a moderate number of long ones - see the 160 meter antenna simulation
results that are outlined on L B Cebik's website www.cebik.com.  More
information on low band antennas can be found in ON4UN's Low Band DXing
book - there are many possibilities.

For best results, put the 160 meter matching network at the base of the
antenna and match it to your feedline.

Since there are many possibilities, make some decision even though it may be
a compromise and you too can be successful on 'top-band'.

73,
Don W3FPR



-Original Message-

I am very much enjoying reading the discussions on wire antennas.  I
have something I have been trying to figure out how to do for some time,
and thought this might be a good place to ask.

I have an 80m loop, up about 60 or 70 feet.  Currently it is fed with
300 ohm line.  All I could find at the time, as what I had left in 450
ohm line (after I helped my elderly neighbor get his antenna back up,
and gave him some of the ladder line) was not long enough.
Additionally, I went to the local hamfest this weekend and could not
find a single vendor selling ladder line, but I digress.  I have
approximately 290 feet of wire in the air in a horizontal, triangular
configuration, fed with (soon to be) ladder line, a balun (1:1) and then
coax to the shack.  Is it possible to switch this (seems possible from
what I have read) to a 160m antenna by taking one side to ground at the
balun and feeding the other side?  If this is possible, is there a way
to do this remotely?

David Wilburn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K4DGW


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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:46:42 -0500
From: Matthew D. Pitts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Custom K2?
To: Bob Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So tempting... I haven't fiddled with Linux in a few years and might be
able to scrounge up a PC to run it on (I think all I'm missing for a
working system amongst the parts I have is a power supply).

Bob Nielsen wrote:

On Feb 20, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Ian Stirling wrote:


On Tuesday 20 February 2007 18:19, you wrote:


Rig control software for people who use real computers (Fedora Core
here).  http://www.hamsoftware.org/  Haven't used it, but saw your
comment and did a quick google.  This is the first one I ran across, 
may

be others.  Are you on Mac or Linux?  Because there were quite a few
choices for Mac also.

  Multiplexing myself between my kubuntu/gnu/linux computer
and cooking cream of scallion soup.  I've recently switched
to kubuntu from FreeBSD 6.1.
There are a lot of good ham apps suitable for 

Re: [Elecraft] twin lead not just HF

2007-02-21 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
There is a book called Crustal Fier about the invention of the 
transistor.  In it, I read that Shockley wanted to make an FET, but 
Brattain and Bardeen, working for him, semi-secretly switched to working 
on a point-contact device which was easier to get working.  As a result, 
Brattain's name was left off the patent, leading to a bitter rift which, 
aided by personality, eventually lead to the dissolution of Shockley 
Transistor and the mutiny of a eight scientists who in 1957 started the 
fair-headed stepchild company, which they called Fairchild 
Semiconductor. Two of the founders of Fairchild, Robert Noyce and Gordon 
Moore, left to found Intel, giving us semiconductor memory and 
microprocessors.


So, while we may have lost 20 years due to the frustrations of working 
with BJT over FET, the ensuing currents moved many others to fulfill 
their potentials.


The rest of the story is even more detailed and nuanced...Crystal Fire, 
the Birth of the Information Age.

Leigh/WA5ZNU
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 9:34 pm, Tierra del Mar Labs wrote:

Kind'a like the Bi-Polar and the FET in the first days of the
transistorwho made the mistake of going the Bi-Polar way anyway, we
must have lost 20 years of technology to this.



73 Jeremy w7eme

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[Elecraft] KSB2 SSB Use Report

2007-02-21 Thread Scheidler, Dale A.
I wanted to report that the K2 (#5230) with KSB2 SSB board and Kenwood
MC
43S mic was used for my first contact with a local ham.  He has a K2 and
was interested in hearing my radio because he has never heard a K2 voice
transmission.  Said I sounded fine and the mic and board were working
well.
 
73,
Dale, kc9cwb

 

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[Elecraft] 160m ant

2007-02-21 Thread RC

If your interested
Here is My loaded 160M antenna.
http://www.kc5wa.us/ANT160M.JPG
BW is a bit narrow but works FB.
RC kc5wa

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Rick Hiller wrote:

 Dave,

 Another possibility for 160 -- Don't know to what 
extent/effort you want to
 go to get on 160, but here is an easy way, although, 
a bit of a compromise.


 Simply open the loop at one of the 80 meter voltage 
loops (also a current
 node).  The 80 meter standing wave current 
distribution /performance will
 not change, but it will force the wire to be an off 
center fed 1/2
 wavelength for 160.  Although not quite resonant 
within the 160 meter band,
 if you feed it with open wire and run it thru the 
appropriate matching

 network, you should be right.

 Quite possibly, if you adjust your overall length 
you might be able to find
 a length that is 1 wl on 80 where you need it and 
1/2 wl on 160 close to
 where you want to work.  Have a look at this in 
EZNEC to see how it will
 work for you in your particular situation.  I use 
this method to run 80 on

 my 40 meter delta loop.

 It is a lot easier than relays and switches, but 
Don's good suggestion might

 be the preferred solution for you.
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Re: [Elecraft] wire antennas

2007-02-21 Thread n2ey



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If I disconnected one side of the loop from balun, at that point (at 
least from what I have looked at on the web) it is similar to an 
inverted L with the wire wondering around instead of going off in one 
direction like it should. At that point, an inverted L would need 
radials. Problem is, this is right at the back side of my house, there 
is a deck and then an above ground pool. So looking at it from above, I 
could only get radials on about a 90 degree portion. Seems like a lot 
of trouble to go to for such a small foot print. 

 
---

Sounds to me like the loop is up in the air and the feedline drops down 
to near the ground, right outside the house. It then goes
into a balun, and coax runs from the balun into the shack. Hope that's 
right.


If so, what I would do is this:

1) Disconnect *both* wires of the feedline from the balun. Tie them 
together.


2) Disconnect coax from balun

3) Connect an unbalanced tuner (simple L network?) between balun and 
the two feedline wires which are tied together.


4) Connect ground system to tuner

5) Adjust tuner for minimum SWR

In such a system the vertical feedline does much of the radiating. The 
loop does some, and also acts as a sort of top-hat loading. The main 
benefit is the feedpoint Z


Of course you need a ground system, and the pool/deck are in the way. 
So run the wires and rods that you can. Better than nothing.


If it were me, I'd try this out temporarily (wires on top of ground, 
tuner in a plastic bag to keep the weather off, etc.) just to see how 
it works. If it seemed OK, then I'd do a permanent system with relays, 
remote-control tuner, buried radials, etc., when the weather improves.


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RE: [Elecraft] wire antennas

2007-02-21 Thread Don Wilhelm
Dave,

Open it at the point 180 degrees (midway around) from the feedpoint.  If
your existing loop is a full wavelength on 80 meters, opening it will turn
the loop into a folded back 1/2 wave dipole on 160 meters - not as good as
straight out, but it should work since you are feeding the line with a tuner
anyway.
In fact, you may be able to make it automatic by using a trap tuned to 160
meters - that will electrically open the loop on 160 and only add some
inductnce on the other bands.

73,
Don W3FPR

 -Original Message-


 Not sure where you are suggesting I open it.  I was considering
 disconnecting the feedline on one side where it connected to the balun.
   Is this what you mean.  My apologies if it is a silly question.

 David Wilburn
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 Rick Hiller wrote:
  Dave,
 
  Another possibility for 160 -- Don't know to what extent/effort
 you want to
  go to get on 160, but here is an easy way, although, a bit of a
 compromise.
 
  Simply open the loop at one of the 80 meter voltage loops (also
 a current
  node).  The 80 meter standing wave current distribution
 /performance will
  not change, but it will force the wire to be an off center fed 1/2
  wavelength for 160.  Although not quite resonant within the 160
 meter band,
  if you feed it with open wire and run it thru the appropriate matching
  network, you should be right.
 

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[Elecraft] New guy checking in...

2007-02-21 Thread David Fleming
Hi All..

Just introducing myself. I'll probably be around for awhile as I will
soon be ordering a K2. I built dozens of Heathkits back in the day and
I've built quite a few homebrew audio amps and guitar amps (mostly
vintage Fender and Marshall circuits). I have a fondness for tube gear
and I'm currently using vintage Heath ham gear (SB-301 rx, SB-401 tx
and SB-201 amp). The only modern rigs I've ever owned are the Yaesu
FT-100, FT-897 and FT-900. I wasn't overly impressed with any of them,
and I always seem to drift back to vintage tube gear. I recently
started reading up on QRP and I'm ready to try my hand at using low
power for a change. I've never done that. After much research for the
ideal QRP rig, it seems the K2 is the way to go. I figure any product
that can score 4.9/5.0 on eHam with 118 reviews must stand on merit
rather than hype. Plus, after following this reflector for a few weeks,
I can see that a very valuable user knowledge base exists. It's a
no-brainer. I'm really looking forward to building this rig and hearing
that remarkable receiver that everyone seems to be talking about. It
sure will be nice to work QSK CW without hearing those relays chatter.
I trust it will work well with my Hustler 6BTV vertical.

I've made an agreement with the XYL that I will not put any new money
into my toys, so I must recycle. I have a Neumann studio mic on ebay
that should more than cover the cost of the K2. :-

73,

David Fleming W4SMT 

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[Elecraft] KRC2

2007-02-21 Thread rbenedic
Hi

I would like to use a KRC2 with my K2 to;

  bandswith my amp
  bandswitch my tuner (better yet set switchs on band segments)
  control a remote antenna switch (multiple bands for each antenna)
  provide one button tune

for the tuning I would like to hit a button somewhere and have:
  the amp locked out
  put K2 in tune mode
  put tuner in tune mode

The amp and tuner have remote control capabilities. From the various
docs it looks like the first three are possible (except mayby band
segment). Am I correct?

The tune button is more of a question. Several sources mention great
capabilities with a configuration program that I can not find anywhere.
Does this program exist? Can the KCR2 act on frequency data from the K2
or a control computer?

Bob
 KD8CGH
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Re: [Elecraft] k1 - frequency range..

2007-02-21 Thread Ralph Tyrrell
When I built my K1 I built it for 150 KHz tuning. I
wanted more band coverage. It tuned too fast. So I
changed it to about 100 KHz. And now I have it set to
the STRONGLY ADVISED setting.
It is wonderful to have a rig that you can open up and
try some wild idea that you have.
Some pics and info on my station at:
http://tyrrell.us/amateur/

73, Ty, W1TF  K1 # 1423

--- sergio t. ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 when i built my k1, i set it up for the 150khz
 range..
 
 looking back at my manual, it says that it is
 strongly advised to use 
 the 80khz range..
 
 is it strongly enough advised for me to mod my
 machine and put it back 
 to the 80khz range?
 
 thanks!
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] New guy checking in...

2007-02-21 Thread Tom Zeltwanger
Dave,

Welcome and good luck with the K2. I just finished a basic K2 last week and am 
using it with a 6BTV. In fact the antenna is not well-tuned yet, no radials 
(but the ground pipe is probably in water), and I am not using a tuner. Just 
wanted to fire up the rig for testing, and I worked about 10 DX contest QSOs.

So I am sure it will work with your antenna.

73,

Tom KG3V



Quoting David Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi All..
 
 Just introducing myself. I'll probably be around for awhile as I will
 soon be ordering a K2. I built dozens of Heathkits back in the day and
 I've built quite a few homebrew audio amps and guitar amps (mostly
 vintage Fender and Marshall circuits). I have a fondness for tube gear
 and I'm currently using vintage Heath ham gear (SB-301 rx, SB-401 tx
 and SB-201 amp). The only modern rigs I've ever owned are the Yaesu
 FT-100, FT-897 and FT-900. I wasn't overly impressed with any of them,
 and I always seem to drift back to vintage tube gear. I recently
 started reading up on QRP and I'm ready to try my hand at using low
 power for a change. I've never done that. After much research for the
 ideal QRP rig, it seems the K2 is the way to go. I figure any product
 that can score 4.9/5.0 on eHam with 118 reviews must stand on merit
 rather than hype. Plus, after following this reflector for a few weeks,
 I can see that a very valuable user knowledge base exists. It's a
 no-brainer. I'm really looking forward to building this rig and hearing
 that remarkable receiver that everyone seems to be talking about. It
 sure will be nice to work QSK CW without hearing those relays chatter.
 I trust it will work well with my Hustler 6BTV vertical.
 
 I've made an agreement with the XYL that I will not put any new money
 into my toys, so I must recycle. I have a Neumann studio mic on ebay
 that should more than cover the cost of the K2. :-
 
 73,
 
 David Fleming W4SMT 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] wire antennas

2007-02-21 Thread David Wilburn
That is definitely getting interesting.  So I want to block 160m from 
going through, but pass 80m and above.  Does that sound do able?  With 
the number of people that run horizontal loops you would think this 
would be going on more.


David Wilburn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Don Wilhelm wrote:

Dave,

Open it at the point 180 degrees (midway around) from the feedpoint.  If
your existing loop is a full wavelength on 80 meters, opening it will turn
the loop into a folded back 1/2 wave dipole on 160 meters - not as good as
straight out, but it should work since you are feeding the line with a tuner
anyway.
In fact, you may be able to make it automatic by using a trap tuned to 160
meters - that will electrically open the loop on 160 and only add some
inductnce on the other bands.

73,
Don W3FPR


-Original Message-



Not sure where you are suggesting I open it.  I was considering
disconnecting the feedline on one side where it connected to the balun.
  Is this what you mean.  My apologies if it is a silly question.

David Wilburn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Rick Hiller wrote:

Dave,

Another possibility for 160 -- Don't know to what extent/effort

you want to

go to get on 160, but here is an easy way, although, a bit of a

compromise.

Simply open the loop at one of the 80 meter voltage loops (also

a current

node).  The 80 meter standing wave current distribution

/performance will

not change, but it will force the wire to be an off center fed 1/2
wavelength for 160.  Although not quite resonant within the 160

meter band,

if you feed it with open wire and run it thru the appropriate matching
network, you should be right.


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RE: [Elecraft] New guy checking in...

2007-02-21 Thread Gregg R. Lengling
Welcome David and believe me you won't be sorry.  I have only 1 HF rig in
the shack and it's been the K2 for years now.  I have gone thru multiple
other mobile rigs for my car including the K2, but I didn't have space up
front for the K2 to mount properly, I've finally settled on a TS480SAT for
mobile operation as I also wanted 6 meters in the car.

You are going to have a blast building the rig and even more fun running it.

Ciao,  
Gregg W9DHI


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Fleming
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:32 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] New guy checking in...

Hi All..

Just introducing myself. I'll probably be around for awhile as I will
soon be ordering a K2. I built dozens of Heathkits back in the day and
I've built quite a few homebrew audio amps and guitar amps (mostly
vintage Fender and Marshall circuits). I have a fondness for tube gear
and I'm currently using vintage Heath ham gear (SB-301 rx, SB-401 tx
and SB-201 amp). The only modern rigs I've ever owned are the Yaesu
FT-100, FT-897 and FT-900. I wasn't overly impressed with any of them,
and I always seem to drift back to vintage tube gear. I recently
started reading up on QRP and I'm ready to try my hand at using low
power for a change. I've never done that. After much research for the
ideal QRP rig, it seems the K2 is the way to go. I figure any product
that can score 4.9/5.0 on eHam with 118 reviews must stand on merit
rather than hype. Plus, after following this reflector for a few weeks,
I can see that a very valuable user knowledge base exists. It's a
no-brainer. I'm really looking forward to building this rig and hearing
that remarkable receiver that everyone seems to be talking about. It
sure will be nice to work QSK CW without hearing those relays chatter.
I trust it will work well with my Hustler 6BTV vertical.

I've made an agreement with the XYL that I will not put any new money
into my toys, so I must recycle. I have a Neumann studio mic on ebay
that should more than cover the cost of the K2. :-

73,

David Fleming W4SMT 



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Re: [Elecraft] KRC2

2007-02-21 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
We are (at long last!) releasing the KRC2 configuration program this 
next week.


73, Eric   WA6HHQ

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Several sources mention great
capabilities with a configuration program that I can not find anywhere.
Does this program exist? Can the KCR2 act on frequency data from the K2
or a control computer?

Bob
 KD8CGH
  

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RE: [Elecraft] Rf in the shack distorting audio - the results

2007-02-21 Thread Solosko, Robert B (Bob)
 Hello All,

Several weeks ago, I posted the attached e-mail describing my
problems with RF in the shack distorting the audio when transmitting. I
received many responses with good suggestions about how the cure the
problem -- thank you to all of you who responded, and especially thank
you to Don, the Friendly, Patient Radioman, with whom I subsequently
had an e-mail dialog about the design of by balun and the materials
used.

The results: problem cured!

The first thing I did was move the counterpoises from the ground
on the KAT100 to the ground side of the coax where it connects to the
balun. That had the most effect, significantly reducing the level of RF
in the shack, as measured by my field strength meter, and mostly
eliminated the RF getting into the computer speakers. 

The next thing was to use the 4:1 taps on my voltage balun
instead of the 9:1 taps - that reduced the RF level a little more, at
the expense of the KAT100 not being able to get down to a 1:1 SWR on
15m; the lowest SWR achieved was about 2:1 (I was using the 9:1 taps
because the KAT100 could get down to essentially 1:1 on all bands).

Next, AA1SB gave me a few toroid cores of unknown type that were
just large enough to fit over a PN-259 connector- I slipped them over
the coax where it connects to the balun. That made a slight difference
in the RF level on 10m, but had no other affect on any other bands.

The final step was to replace my 9:1/4:1 voltage balun, made
using a T300A-1 core, with a 4:1/1:1 current balun made using a pair of
FT-240-43 baluns. Don, W3FPR, had suggested that the FT material in a
current balun would be much more effective at eliminating the RF
problem. I finally got this current balun made and installed this
weekend, and just as Don predicted, the RF in the shack is essentially
completely eliminated. Also, the KAT100 now can achieve a 1:1 SWR on
15m. However, you don't get something for nothing - with this balun, I
lost the upper 40 kHz of 160m... The KAT100 doesn't get the SWR down
below 9:1 and just gives up. But, below that, there is about a 10kHz
range over which the minimum SWR that the KAT100 can achieve goes from
1:1 to 9:1. This is not quite surprising since my antenna is a 100'
shortened multi-band dipole which by design has a very narrow bandwidth
on 160M. Furthermore, the inductance of the 4:1 current balun made with
the FT material is about 50 times greater than the 9:1 voltage balun I
made. On 160m the balun impedance was likely less that the impedance at
the balun end or the ladder line (the rule of thumb is that the balun
impedance should be at least 4 times the impedance at the balun
input)... So, it's likely that the KAT100 was really tuning to the balun
impedance and not the antenna impedance. However, with the new 4:1
current balun, the balun impedance shouldn't be much of a factor and the
KAT100 is probably seeing more of the actual characteristics of the
antenna... And, now that I think of it, all of the few QSOs that I've
had on 160m have been below the upper 50kHz or so.

So, thank you all again - I'm very satisfied with the results.

Bob W1SRB

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(Bob)
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:57 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Rf in the shack distorting audio

Hello All,

Several month ago, after I finished my KPA100, I found that when
transmitting SSB on the higher bands (20, 17  15), the computer
speakers across the room, when turned on, would screech - adjusting the
speaker volume had no effect (but turning off the speakers quieted
them).  During a QSO a few weeks ago, it was commented that it sounded
like I was getting RF into my audio. 

To make a short story long, I don't have a very good ground
system, so there's a high level of RF in the shack - the shack is on the
2nd floor, about 18 ft above the ground rod. My primary antenna is a 100
ft multiband horizontal dipole feed with ladder line into a 9:1 balun,
which is connected to my KAT100 via 6' of RG8. While the antenna works
great on all bands (the KAT100 has no trouble tuning it), there's a
fairly high SWR on the feedline on the higher bands. I have two
different length wires connected the ground rod to the KAT100, and
adding counterpoises for 20, 17  15 meters hasn't change the high level
of RF in the shack on these bands.

A week or two ago, I put up a second antenna, a vertical
parallel dipole for 20, 17  15 meters, fed with RG8 - this antenna has
very low SWR on these bands. When using this antenna, I have no problems
with the computer speakers screeching, so there's apparently not much RF
in the shack. This weekend, during the NA QSO party, when using the
ladder line fed dipole on the higher bands, several times, I was told
that my audio was distorted, and switching to the vertical coax fed
dipole immediately cured the 

Re: [Elecraft] k1 - frequency range.

2007-02-21 Thread Mike Morrow
when i built my k1, i set it up for the 150khz range..

looking back at my manual, it says that it is strongly advised to use 
the 80khz range..

is it strongly enough advised for me to mod my machine and put it back 
to the 80khz range?

No, that's really bad advice unless you live in an ITU region that makes the 
extra coverage superfluous.

Contrary to popular assertion, the K1 does NOT tune too fast with the 170 kHz 
span option.  The kHz/turn coverage is pretty linear since R19 was added across 
the VFO pot six years ago, and the resulting 17 kHz/turn rate is *not* at all a 
rapid rate of tuning.

I believe that the adverse performance that some experience with the broader 
VFO span comes simply from the fact that the K1 VFO potentiometer shaft has 
almost NO resistance to rotational motion.  That makes it very easy to impart 
unwanted rotational motion (and hence frequency change) to the VFO knob when 
releasing it.  This unwanted frequency change is more noticable for the wide 
VFO span.

I too found that to be a problem, but one that was extremely easy to fix with a 
couple of thin layers of hand-cut felt rings around the VFO pot shaft, between 
the front panel and the back of the VFO knob.  Now I've got just the right 
amount of rotational resistance.

I like the 170 kHz span because it allows coverage of every bit of the 40m CW 
band (reduced now though it is), plus it allows coverage of 10 MHz WWV on the 
30m band.  And who knows, but when 15m comes back hot again, the extra coverage 
there will be useful.  A small plus, since the K1 receiver is LSB on all bands, 
is that one can listen to 40m LSB in the bottom 40 kHz of the phone band, or 
even try a cross-mode contact, if one can find anyone on the phone band that 
knows Morse.

Remember that if you change to the smaller VFO span, you'll have to change the 
filter board hetrodyne crystal for 30m.

Mike / KK5F

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[Elecraft] Re: Wire Antennas

2007-02-21 Thread Rick Hiller
Dave (and Don),

Not a silly question, Dave, what so ever.

My suggestion was to open it up 90 degrees from the present feed-point, 1/4
way around...this being a voltage maximum (loop) and current minimum (node).


This enables the loop to still act like a loop on 80, if you desire to
maintain it's present performance.  And then on 160 it acts like, as Don
states, a folded back 1/2 wave dipole on 160 meters but in this case it
will be off center fed.   Auto 80/160 band switching, once you get the
lengths correct for the two bands, if that is possible in this case, as I do
not know what modes you operate.

If you open it at, as Don suggests, 180 degrees or half way round, the 80
meter loop turns into a bent 80 meter 2 Half-waves in Phase with a very
high Z feed, if you maintain the feed point as is.  This also shifts the
standing wave current distribution by 90 degrees, which might cause you
problems if your original antenna was set up to favor a particular area of
the world.  Not convinced that is the case though, as it does sound like you
have up 270 feet of wire in a triangular loop, cause that's where the trees
be.  Wish I had those trees -- hi.

60 feet above ground is low for a horizontal 160 meter sky hook, but you do
what'cha gotta do.

Sounds like a fun modeling and empirical experiment to say the least.

Regards -- Rick -- W5RH

-

Dave,

Open it at the point 180 degrees (midway around) from the feedpoint.  If
your existing loop is a full wavelength on 80 meters, opening it will turn
the loop into a folded back 1/2 wave dipole on 160 meters - not as good as
straight out, but it should work since you are feeding the line with a tuner
anyway.
In fact, you may be able to make it automatic by using a trap tuned to 160
meters - that will electrically open the loop on 160 and only add some
inductnce on the other bands.

73,
Don W3FPR

 -Original Message-


 Not sure where you are suggesting I open it.  I was considering
 disconnecting the feedline on one side where it connected to the balun.
   Is this what you mean.  My apologies if it is a silly question.

 David Wilburn
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 Rick Hiller wrote:
  Dave,
 
  Another possibility for 160 -- Don't know to what extent/effort
 you want to
  go to get on 160, but here is an easy way, although, a bit of a
 compromise.
 
  Simply open the loop at one of the 80 meter voltage loops (also
 a current
  node).  The 80 meter standing wave current distribution
 /performance will
  not change, but it will force the wire to be an off center fed 1/2
  wavelength for 160.  Although not quite resonant within the 160
 meter band,
  if you feed it with open wire and run it thru the appropriate matching
  network, you should be right.


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RE: [Elecraft] New guy checking in...(a bit OT)

2007-02-21 Thread David Fleming
Off Topic

Hehe.. Well now I wish I had posted the mic for sale here instead of
putting it on eBay!! :)
The auction ends Thursday night and it's already bid up to $710.00 (I
paid $650 for it new about a year ago - hehe - I love eBay). The mic is
a Neumann TLM-103 large diaphragm condenser. I used it primarily to
record acoustic guitar and for some vocals. 

Wayne, you can definitely do better than the SM-57 for acoustic guitar
recording. The 57 is a fine mic and can be used for just about
anything, but they are more suited to high sound pressure level
applications, like mic-ing amps and drums. You'd probably get much
better sounding acoustic recordings (and vocals) by using a large
diaphragm condenser. I've found when I record my Taylor acoustic, that
I get the best sound by recording  2 simultaneous tracks. One is mic'ed
with the Neumann and the other is direct in from the guitar's
electronics. I'll then pan those two tracks L/R and add different EQ to
each one. It results in a very nice, rich acoustic sound. Here's an
example. The acoustic was recorded this way. I used a v-amp for the
lead guitar and bass. The drums were done in Reason. A friend of mine
did the vocals.

http://sight.net/music/Mystery.mp3

On Topic

I'll be ordering the K2 on Friday (if the winning bidder paypals me the
money..:))

-David Fleming W4SMT


  Original Message 

Hi David,

Welcome to the list.

Would that mic you're selling be useful for acoustic guitar and vocals? 
I've been recording with an SM-57 for years, and I get the feeling I 
could do better.

As the principle designer of the K2, I could pull some strings to offer 
you a discount on an option for the rig in exchange for a really good 
price on the mic  :)

Have fun with the rig!

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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[Elecraft] RE: Wire Antennas

2007-02-21 Thread Don Wilhelm
Rick,

The only problem with that is the high voltage point on a fullwave loop is
electriclly opposite the feedpoint, not 1/4 wave away from the feedpoint.

It is true that opening it at the 80 meter 1/4 wave point would create an
off-center fed 160 meter dipole that has been bent back on itself, but it
will change the behavior on all other bands too.

I still think the 160 meter trap at the 180 degree point is the best
solution - or use the loop as-is and tie both sides of the feedline together
and operate against ground for 160 meters.  Somewhere on his website, L B
Cebik simulated a 160 meter inverted L antenna with only 4 20 foot radials
and it did not fare too badly - he also simulated with one 20 foot radial
and that did not do badly either, so there is hope even if an extensive
radial system for 160 meters is out of the question in your case.

73,
Don W3FPR

 -Original Message-


 Dave (and Don),

 Not a silly question, Dave, what so ever.

 My suggestion was to open it up 90 degrees from the present
 feed-point, 1/4
 way around...this being a voltage maximum (loop) and current
 minimum (node).


 This enables the loop to still act like a loop on 80, if you desire to
 maintain it's present performance.  And then on 160 it acts like, as Don
 states, a folded back 1/2 wave dipole on 160 meters but in this case it
 will be off center fed.   Auto 80/160 band switching, once you get the
 lengths correct for the two bands, if that is possible in this
 case, as I do
 not know what modes you operate.

 If you open it at, as Don suggests, 180 degrees or half way round, the 80
 meter loop turns into a bent 80 meter 2 Half-waves in Phase with a very
 high Z feed, if you maintain the feed point as is.  This also shifts the
 standing wave current distribution by 90 degrees, which might cause you
 problems if your original antenna was set up to favor a particular area of
 the world.  Not convinced that is the case though, as it does
 sound like you
 have up 270 feet of wire in a triangular loop, cause that's
 where the trees
 be.  Wish I had those trees -- hi.

 60 feet above ground is low for a horizontal 160 meter sky hook,
 but you do
 what'cha gotta do.

 Sounds like a fun modeling and empirical experiment to say the least.

 Regards -- Rick -- W5RH

 -

 Dave,

 Open it at the point 180 degrees (midway around) from the feedpoint.  If
 your existing loop is a full wavelength on 80 meters, opening it will turn
 the loop into a folded back 1/2 wave dipole on 160 meters - not as good as
 straight out, but it should work since you are feeding the line
 with a tuner
 anyway.
 In fact, you may be able to make it automatic by using a trap tuned to 160
 meters - that will electrically open the loop on 160 and only add some
 inductnce on the other bands.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

  -Original Message-

 
  Not sure where you are suggesting I open it.  I was considering
  disconnecting the feedline on one side where it connected to the balun.
Is this what you mean.  My apologies if it is a silly question.
 
  David Wilburn
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 
  Rick Hiller wrote:
   Dave,
  
   Another possibility for 160 -- Don't know to what extent/effort
  you want to
   go to get on 160, but here is an easy way, although, a bit of a
  compromise.
  
   Simply open the loop at one of the 80 meter voltage loops (also
  a current
   node).  The 80 meter standing wave current distribution
  /performance will
   not change, but it will force the wire to be an off center fed 1/2
   wavelength for 160.  Although not quite resonant within the 160
  meter band,
   if you feed it with open wire and run it thru the appropriate matching
   network, you should be right.

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[Elecraft] Road Kill Round Up QRP Kontest

2007-02-21 Thread Bill Tippett

I don't think anyone posted this to the
Elecraft reflector but I know many QRPers are
here also.  If you hear me, call with 1 Watt
before you QRO (more points for us Kritters).
I'll be using my Beverages for receive and will
probably hear you.  Good luck with your kills!

73 de Ant  (aka Bill  W4ZV)

OK all you lead footed, speed demons, rev up your rigs and loosen up your
fingers for the First Almost Unofficial North Carolina Road Kill Round Up.

Date:
Wednesday, February 21, 2007
21:30 - 23:00 Eastern Standard Time

UTC Time:
Date:  Thursday, February 22, 2007
02:30 - 04:00

Which Rural Road Numbers:
7.025 - 7.070 (+ / - QRM)

Mode:
CW - QRP

Classes:
Kritters - The QRP stations the Speeders try to work (Kritter callsigns and
names are listed at
http://ncroadkillroundup.homestead.com/KritterRoster.htmlhttp://ncroadkillroundup.homestead.com/KritterRoster.html
Speeders -  Any station trying to work the Kritters.  Speeders do not call
CQ nor do they work other Speeders.

Power - Kritters:
5 Watts

Power - Speeders:
Your choice but must be 5W or less to be eligible for a Certificate - No
California Killowatts over 1,500 horsepower allowed!

Kritters Will Call:
CQ RK  CQ RK CQ RK (Road Kill Round Up)

Speeder Exchange:
RST State Name Power

Kritter Exchange:
RST Kritter Name

Speeder Scoring:
Speeders running 5 watts or less that snag all the Road Kill Kritters listed
on the Roster will qualify for the almost unofficial official Worked All
Road Kill Round Up Kritter Certificates.  The order of finish of the
Speeders will be determined by the SHORTEST TIME to work ALL the Road Kill
Kritters. This means you can start anytime during the 1.5 hour event and
your entry time starts when you make your first Kritter Kapture and ends
when you bag them all or the last one you can find lurking along side the
road.

Kritter Scoring:
The Road Kill Kritters are trying to work as many Speed Demons as possible
in Kompetition with other Kritters.  Details available on the Kontest
website.

Submit logs by:
March 24, 2007

Email logs to:
n1ln[at]arrl[dot]net

Mail logs to:
Bruce Meier, N1LN
3233 Gait Way
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Re: [Elecraft] New guy checking in...

2007-02-21 Thread David Fleming
Hi Tom.. That encouraging.  If you're making DX contacts on the 6BTV
with low power AND no radials, then that pipe must be in water or your
backyard is copper plated. :)

I just put mine up last week. I ran sixteen 30ft radials on top of the
ground using wire staples. It works! I'm getting less than 2:1 on all
of 40, 20, 15 and 10 without a tuner. Not so good on 80. I need to tune
it a bit.

Regards,

-David Fleming W4SMT

--- Tom Zeltwanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dave,
 
 Welcome and good luck with the K2. I just finished a
 basic K2 last week and am 
 using it with a 6BTV. In fact the antenna is not
 well-tuned yet, no radials 
 (but the ground pipe is probably in water), and I am
 not using a tuner. Just 
 wanted to fire up the rig for testing, and I worked
 about 10 DX contest QSOs.
 
 So I am sure it will work with your antenna.
 
 73,
 
 Tom KG3V
 
 
 


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[Elecraft] WTB WTT KX1 or add-ons, built, unbuilt, etc.

2007-02-21 Thread shack
Hi y'all, if you have a KX1 base model or any of the accessories in any
condition, please drop me a line. tnx es 73, Casey, NA7U

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[Elecraft] Recording mic (OT ...New guy checking in...(a bit OT))

2007-02-21 Thread Darwin, Keith
 
Wayne -

(OT, but I post this as a service to the king )

I've tried the SM-57 for recording gtr and vocals.  Not great, but I'm
not prepared to spend money on a mic.  I ended up with an Audio Technica
ATM-31a for about $130.  It is a condenser mic that I use for live
vocals as well as for recording.  Sound is pretty good, far better than
SM-57 or SM-58.  There are other choices but I believe just about any
condenser will sound better on acoustic guitar than a dynamic.

73!

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -

-Original Message-
From: David Fleming

Would that mic you're selling be useful for acoustic guitar and vocals? 
I've been recording with an SM-57 for years, and I get the feeling I
could do better.

73,
Wayne
N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] Recording mic (OT ...New guy checking in...(a bit OT))

2007-02-21 Thread ON4WIX

Now this is a nice OT posting...
If you're looking into a nice set of mics for recording, don't forget to 
check out the Neumann KM184s. They're not too large and sound awesome. I've 
got a matched pair that I use regularly on live gigs and recordings and they 
take just about anything you throw at them (except for liquids, of course).
Oh, and Wayne, if you're looking for a nice vocal mike, check out the 
Neumann KSM105.
All these mikes are modestly priced (for Neumann's standards anyway) and are 
well worth the investment.
That having been said, I agree that a couple of SM57's or SM58's are a fb 
choice for all-round use. Ditto for Sennheiser 604's (try those on drums 
and/or percussion)


73
Glenn ON4WIX
getting ready for the UBA CW contest this weekend with my K2/100 s/n 5361

- Original Message - 
From: Darwin, Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:12 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Recording mic (OT ...New guy checking in...(a bit OT))




Wayne -

(OT, but I post this as a service to the king )

I've tried the SM-57 for recording gtr and vocals.  Not great, but I'm
not prepared to spend money on a mic.  I ended up with an Audio Technica
ATM-31a for about $130.  It is a condenser mic that I use for live
vocals as well as for recording.  Sound is pretty good, far better than
SM-57 or SM-58.  There are other choices but I believe just about any
condenser will sound better on acoustic guitar than a dynamic.

73!

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -

-Original Message-
From: David Fleming

Would that mic you're selling be useful for acoustic guitar and vocals?
I've been recording with an SM-57 for years, and I get the feeling I
could do better.

73,
Wayne
N6KR
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[Elecraft] Hear it Noise Eliminating Module

2007-02-21 Thread Ronald Ziegler
Has anyone on the list used the Gap Antenna Products Hear it Noise
Eliminating Module on their K2?  There was an interesting article on the
product in March QST on page 51.  The reviewer used the product on a Yaesu
Mark V and seemed very satisfied with the results.  


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Re: [Elecraft] Re: wire antennas

2007-02-21 Thread Stuart Rohre
Jim and the group,
At every field day, our club W5KA uses 80 M Inverted Double Extended Zepp 
element wire doublets.

We have had up to 250 feet of two types of window line, and with the large 
Dentron tuner, we have a low loss match, and it works every signal we hear. 
That is on multiple bands where we use the above antenna between 80 and 15 
meters.  (10 having been dead for last several field days down here).

No problems matching with the popular nominal 300 and 450 ladder lines of 
poly insulation.  A number of Cebik's models are done without assumption of 
big ceramic insulators, or home made 600 ohm line.

If a particular lenght of feeder presents a matching problem on a given band 
you add or subtract a few feet of line.  Keeping 5 and 10 foot adder 
sections is not hard and wire nuts make a quick splice of the added section 
into the feeder to move the optimum impedance position to suit the tuner.

I have matched such antennas as 5/8 leg Zepps on 20m with the smaller BW 
tuner, also without a problem with random feed line length.

Such antennas have less weight and wind load than Windom, (OCF) types that 
require a balun at the feed point.

Stuart
K5KVH 


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Re: [Elecraft] wire antennas

2007-02-21 Thread Stuart Rohre
How low did you have your horizontal loop?  We always use a 2 wave or so one 
for field day, (80m), but mostly use it on 40m and up to 15m.  It is always 
only 20 feet high, as that is the limit of reach of our portable ladder.

We get great signal reports, and work all over the country from the Central 
Southwest.

I have seen an 80m loop work less well than a dipole when low to a roof 
containing a metal edging, which we put off to detuning and coupling issues. 
We feed our loops with parallel lines, either 300 ohm window or 450 ohm 
window line.

Stuart
K5KVH 


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RE: [Elecraft] Re: wire antennas

2007-02-21 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Regarding open wire line, I generally use something in the vicinity of 450
ohms. That is an easy size to buy or fabricate and produces a fairly low SWR
when used to feed most doublets. While open wire lines are low-loss, they
are not lossless. SWR does matter, just no where near as much as when
using coaxial cable.

Typically, the voltage loop (highest impedance) point of a wire antenna
won't exceed 3,000 or 4,000 ohms impedance, so the SWR on the line won't
reach 10:1 even when fed at a voltage loop (such as when the doublet is a
full wavelength long). At the frequency at which it is 1/2 wave long, the
feedpoint impedance is about 50 ohms which produces an SWR of less than 10:1
again. Everywhere in between will produce impedances somewhere inside that
range.  That's what keeps the losses on open wire low. 

The greatest losses in well-made open wire lines are ohmic: the RF
resistance of the wire. RF resistance is directly proportional to the
diameter of the wire, since RF currents flow only on the outer surface of
the conductor. So I like to use a much larger conductor than most
commercially-made wires. That is a significant help when I load up the
antenna at a frequency below which it is 1/2 wave long. For example, using
my 66 foot doublet on 80 meters. It's an efficient antenna when used that
way provided feeder losses are kept low. But when loaded on a band where the
wire is only 1/4 wave long (e.g. a 66 foot wire used on 80 meters) the
impedance is rather low so the SWR on 450 ohm line might be 20:1 or greater.
That's one reason I shun ladder line or twin lead with small conductors.
Using open wire line to feed other low-impedance antennas, such as small
loops presents the same issues of high SWR and increasing losses. 

As I mentioned before I make my own open-wire for most work using #14 (or
larger) copper wire and well-spaced low-loss insulators. Actually, the
common dog bone end insulators work well providing a spacing of about 2.5
inches. Hold 'em in place with a small ty-wrap threaded through the same
hole and snugged down tight to provide a tight friction-grip with the wire
(most ty-wraps do disintegrate in three or four years from UV but I make a
point to check my installation at least that often). Another way to hold the
wire is to loop a short length around the end of the insulator and wrap it
tightly around the feeder directly above and below the insulator. Those will
last indefinitely. One insulator every three or four feet is plenty. It is
not necessary for them to hold the wires exactly equidistant: only to keep
them from touching. I don't try to run my open wire at a low SWR, so the
actual impedance or impedance bumps along the line aren't important. 

Open wire line made that way using white insulated house wire and white
dog-bone insulators is actually harder to see from several feet away than
the typical brown window line or twin lead. There are lightweight plastic
dog bone end insulators as well. 

Ron AC7AC

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Re: [Elecraft] wire antennas

2007-02-21 Thread Stuart Rohre
Mike and the group,
I am currently routing heavy duty 300 ohm twin lead from a 5/8 leg 20m 
antenna, thru a slot cut into some foam pipe insulation that acts as a panel 
in the bottom of a aluminum sash window.  The window has aluminum sill, and 
frame, and individual panes of glass with aluminum sub frames.  Cross the 
metal at right angle does not affect the normal operation of my BW tuner, 
and I am using the internal balun of this tuner and getting normal loading, 
and good signal reports with only 20 watts SSB, from the rig I use.

If you cross at right angles and twist the feeder outside along its run, 
interaction with conductors is minimized and balance is preserved adequately 
for use with the tuner.

Stuart
K5KVH 


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Re: [Elecraft] wire antennas

2007-02-21 Thread David Wilburn
After contemplating it a bit, I would say that it is 75 to 80 feet up. 
I had a similar one at my previous house up about 90 feet.  It worked 
great.  I broke more than one pileup while barefoot.  I'm hoping this 
one works better after I get some 450 ohm ladder line on it.  The both 
have tuned very well on the major bands, and with a bit of a struggle on 
some like 30m.  The automatic antenna tuners in the my rigs has always 
worked pretty well tuning them up.


David Wilburn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Stuart Rohre wrote:
How low did you have your horizontal loop?  We always use a 2 wave or so one 
for field day, (80m), but mostly use it on 40m and up to 15m.  It is always 
only 20 feet high, as that is the limit of reach of our portable ladder.


We get great signal reports, and work all over the country from the Central 
Southwest.


I have seen an 80m loop work less well than a dipole when low to a roof 
containing a metal edging, which we put off to detuning and coupling issues. 
We feed our loops with parallel lines, either 300 ohm window or 450 ohm 
window line.


Stuart
K5KVH 





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Re: [Elecraft] Re: wire antennas

2007-02-21 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 2/21/07 4:59:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 
 our club W5KA uses 80 M Inverted Double Extended Zepp 
 element wire doublets.

If my math is right, that works out to about 330-340 feet of wire, 
center-fed!

 
 We have had up to 250 feet of two types of window line, and with the large 
 Dentron tuner, we have a low loss match, and it works every signal we hear. 
 That is on multiple bands where we use the above antenna between 80 and 15 
 meters.  (10 having been dead for last several field days down here).
 

Good job!

 No problems matching with the popular nominal 300 and 450 ladder lines of 
 poly insulation.  A number of Cebik's models are done without assumption of 
 big ceramic insulators, or home made 600 ohm line.
 
 If a particular lenght of feeder presents a matching problem on a given band 
 
 you add or subtract a few feet of line.  Keeping 5 and 10 foot adder 
 sections is not hard and wire nuts make a quick splice of the added section 
 into the feeder to move the optimum impedance position to suit the tuner.
 
 I have matched such antennas as 5/8 leg Zepps on 20m with the smaller BW 
 tuner, also without a problem with random feed line length.
 

One key point to remember is that the feedpoint Z of those antennas is 
neither very high nor very low on any band. Nor is it likely to be highly 
reactive. 
The end result is that the ladder line is probably operating at an SWR of less 
than 10:1, and maybe even less than 5:1. Which is a good recipe for low loss.

See Ron's (AC7AC) commentary on the situation where the feedpoint Z is very 
high or low.

 Such antennas have less weight and wind load than Windom, (OCF) types that 
 require a balun at the feed point.
 


True - but one could also use open line, and a balun near the ground. All 
depends on the situation.

In a domestic contest like Field Day, a lot depends on things like where you 
are. Hams in the middle of the country face different antenna challenges than 
those on the coasts and the corners. 

For example, somebody in NE or KS is within 1500 miles or so of every ham in 
CONUS. Someone in WWA, SDG, SFL or ME may be twice that distance from a
sizable number of CONUS hams. OTOH, a stations in the corners don't have to 
deal with the fact that the rest of CONUS is all around them.

73 de Jim, N2EY



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[Elecraft] Evaluating antennas

2007-02-21 Thread Ken Kopp

Given all the discussion about the various antennas 

I do wire antenna seminars at conventions and hamfests, and
usually in some way tell my audience the following:

NO antenna is ever high enough! (:-)

Many years ago ... 50+ ... I put up (too) many antennas in
the quest for the perfect radiator, and I offer the following
observation.

No antenna should be written off without a long period of
evaluation ... perhaps several weeks or more.  At the time I 
was in hot pursuit of something better and would change

an antenna too often ... even from one day to the next.

I eventually learned that there are many factors that can influence
how well antenna will work for you.  I didn't understand about
the fickle ways of the propogation gods, sunspots, the antenna's
surroundings, etc. and that these factors will deternine how your 
new antenna will work to a greater degree than what kind of 
antenna it is.


I have four 100' towers and some of today's best antennas
fed with hardline, but if I had to choose only one it would be 
the 80M half-wave at 65' that's fed with home-made open wire 
and a Johnson Matchbox.


73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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or
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Ken Kopp - K0PP
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re:[Elecraft] Hear it Noise Eliminating Module

2007-02-21 Thread Chuck Guenther
I doubt that it would be as effective as the noise reduction feature of the 
KDSP2 module.  

73,
Chuck  NI0C
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[Elecraft] re: Evaluating antennas

2007-02-21 Thread Mike Cizek W3MC
I absolutely and completely agree with Ken, despite having only half of his 
experience. (30 years, and only two towers - 100'  125' with six rotatable 
beams).  The old fashioned open wire dipole - doublet to our UK brethren - 
when fed with a proper balanced tuner - is extremely efficient and 
effective.  Read what Maxwell has to say about them in his book 
Reflections, or look at results with an antenna modelling program.  The 
80m dipole at 65', when used on the higher bands, will have gain equal to a 
3 element yagi in its favored directions.


73,

Mike Cizek  W3MC
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FOC # 1739
HSC # 1849
 - Original Message - 
 From: Ken Kopp

 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Wednesday, 21 February, 2007 19:48
 Subject: [Elecraft] Evaluating antennas


 Given all the discussion about the various antennas 

 I do wire antenna seminars at conventions and hamfests, and
 usually in some way tell my audience the following:

 NO antenna is ever high enough! (:-)

 Many years ago ... 50+ ... I put up (too) many antennas in
 the quest for the perfect radiator, and I offer the following
 observation.

 No antenna should be written off without a long period of
 evaluation ... perhaps several weeks or more.  At the time I
 was in hot pursuit of something better and would change
 an antenna too often ... even from one day to the next.

 I eventually learned that there are many factors that can influence
 how well antenna will work for you.  I didn't understand about
 the fickle ways of the propogation gods, sunspots, the antenna's
 surroundings, etc. and that these factors will deternine how your
 new antenna will work to a greater degree than what kind of
 antenna it is.

 I have four 100' towers and some of today's best antennas
 fed with hardline, but if I had to choose only one it would be
 the 80M half-wave at 65' that's fed with home-made open wire
 and a Johnson Matchbox.

 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 or
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 Ken Kopp - K0PP
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[Elecraft] Updated Companion Guide / Rework-Free K2 Assembly Instructions

2007-02-21 Thread Gary Hvizdak
If you've not yet annotated your K2 manual for rework-free assembly, then
you will definitely want to download our very lasted (version 6 revision P)
Companion Guide, which went live within the hour.  We have reduced the
fading to the point that it should be possible to use the Companion Guide
pages instead of the corresponding K2 manual pages, thus avoiding the need
to annotate your K2 manual.  :)

As always, we welcome your comments and suggestions.

73,
Gary
KI4GGX
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[Elecraft] K1 to Italy?

2007-02-21 Thread birtcher
Slightly off topic - my wife and I are planning a two week trip to northern 
Italy this summer and I'd like to chat with any of our Italian subscribers to 
our list for some advice about operating with my K1 while there (or from any 
Elecrafters who have done so).  Please reply off list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 
thanks  73,  Bill, k1ev
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Re: [Elecraft] Hear it Noise Eliminating Module

2007-02-21 Thread Robert
Yes I have the Gap in-line unit.  It works well for noise reduction.  
There are however no DSP selectable filters other than the noise reduction.
The DSP option for the K2 does an admirable job of noise reduction with 
the user selected and user adjustable  DSP filters.
The Gap In-Line DSP noise reduction filter will make a difference for 
most rigs and has up to 35DB of noise reduction.

It's a fine product if noise reduction is all you're after.

Robert
VE3RPF


Ronald Ziegler wrote:

Has anyone on the list used the Gap Antenna Products Hear it Noise
Eliminating Module on their K2?  There was an interesting article on the
product in March QST on page 51.  The reviewer used the product on a Yaesu
Mark V and seemed very satisfied with the results.  



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[Elecraft] KPA100

2007-02-21 Thread wsm
If I add the KPA100 to my K2 and decide I want to operate qrp, is
there a way to bypass the kpa100, or do you just turn down the
power knob? It will be a long time before I fully understand the K2.
Thanks
Scott N5SM K2 #5846

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Re: [Elecraft] K1 to Italy?

2007-02-21 Thread sergio t. ruiz

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Slightly off topic - my wife and I are planning a two week trip to northern Italy 
this summer and I'd like to chat with any of our Italian subscribers to our list 
for some advice about operating with my K1 while there (or from any Elecrafters who 
have done so).  Please reply off list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - thanks  73,  
Bill, k1ev
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i wouldn't mind at all if this was discussed on the list..

72 de kb8qpt


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RE: [Elecraft] KPA100

2007-02-21 Thread Gregg R. Lengling
Just power the unit from the lower coaxial power jack and you have a QRP
rig.  If you turn the power down you'll get the same thing but you'll have
higher current draw due to the idling current and circuits in the amp.
Gregg W9DHI

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Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100

If I add the KPA100 to my K2 and decide I want to operate qrp, is
there a way to bypass the kpa100, or do you just turn down the
power knob? It will be a long time before I fully understand the K2.
Thanks
Scott N5SM K2 #5846

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RE: [Elecraft] KPA100

2007-02-21 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
You can QRP two ways:

1) Turn the power down (the obvious). The POWER control runs from zero to
100+ watts. The KPA100 is switched out of the transmit path below 10 watts. 

2) You can switch the KPA100 amplifier off using the MENU command. Now the
rig behaves exactly like it did without the KPA100 except that you have the
advantage of the SWR bridge and SWR display on the K2 and, of course, the
SO239 connector on the KPA100 remains the normal antenna connector. 

With the KPA100 off the total K2 current drain is 8 to 10% higher due to the
circuits in the KPA100 that run even in standby. That's normally of no
concern unless you're running from a limited battery supply. People
operating portable in the field may simply swap the covers, removing the
KPA100 and putting the QRP top back on with its built in antenna tuner and
battery supply. 

Ron AC7AC 

-Original Message-

If I add the KPA100 to my K2 and decide I want to operate qrp, is there a
way to bypass the kpa100, or do you just turn down the power knob? It will
be a long time before I fully understand the K2. Thanks Scott N5SM K2 #5846



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Re: [Elecraft] KRC2

2007-02-21 Thread Robert Benedict

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

We are (at long last!) releasing the KRC2 configuration program this 
next week.


73, Eric   WA6HHQ

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Several sources mention great
capabilities with a configuration program that I can not find anywhere.
Does this program exist? Can the KCR2 act on frequency data from the K2
or a control computer?

Bob
 KD8CGH
 



Thanks Eric. I'll look for it.
  Bob



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