[Elecraft] Good Public Relations (WAS: OT - Lighthouses and Amateur radio)

2007-06-23 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Hi Ken:

Thanks for the clarification. I think the subject IS appropriate to Amateur
Radio Operators and so Elecraft owners. We, as Amateur Radio Licensees, have
an obligation to consider the impact of our activities on non-Hams. I would
be miffed to bring some of my European relatives to, say, our local Newport
Oregon lighthouse to see a bit of history and find some sort of Ham radio
operating activity going on that detracts from the experience of visiting a
historic structure. 

It never occurred to me that any such group would intrude on places like
lighthouses in a way that was obvious or intrusive to those visitors not
particularly interested in the radio activity. It's true that one never has
a second chance to make a good first impression.

It's something to be aware of as we choose how we operate and enjoy our
hobby, wherever we are.

Ron AC7AC


-Original Message-

I acknowledge this topic isn't appropiate for here.  Well, I -do- have a K2
built at an Oregon lighthouse  (:-)

Ron, others ...

Yes, we've been working in the park and at the lighthouse for five years and
they're well-aware that I'm an amateur radio operator.  One ranger is
slightly familiar with the hobby ... he was especially interested in the
suit-sat experiment and I've supplied him with the orbiter's down-link
frequencies for his scanner.  A fellow host is K7JJ.

I pretty confident that the park management and staff are OK with the
hobby as a whole and they do understand what lighthouse week is about. I
think they go along with the operation each year because they know if they
didn't there would be flack from the Lighthouse Society and others. On the
other hand if they didn't have to take the flack from the
visiting public because of the operation they'd be happier.   In
reality, it's us hosts who have to deal with the visitors.

My comments mostly relate to the lighthouse visitors and their impression of
the amateur radio operation/s at the lighthouse.  There's very little
opportunity to educate them about what's going on.  Most aren't at all
interested and see the operation as a visual intrusion into their photo-op
and resent the clutter of the antennas, RV's, tents, noise, etc.  Who ARE
those people? What's going on out there? Oh ... my cousin plays with
radios, too ... his handle is Stump-Jumper. Do you know him?

Most lighthouse visitors are well-aware of the history and the need to
preserve the structures and their history.  That's why they visit.  I don't
see much, if any, help with preservation by handing out contacts to QSL
collectors.  Few have any interest in lighthouses beyond getting a unique
QSL and they're unlikely to join the Lighthouse Society as a result of a
QSO.

I'd give a whole lot to be able to eleminate the word HAM from our hobby.
Most of the visitors see us as just that ...hams... those strange folks
outside on the lawn.  I detest the name.

Perhaps my view is jaded ...

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Original Message - 
From: Ron D'Eau Claire
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, 23 June, 2007 03:29
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Pacific Coast Lighthouses First Day of Issue
Ceremony


Well, Ken, did you step up and identify yourself as an Amateur Radio
Operator and explain how that activity helps promote an awareness of these
historic structures around the country?

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-

As a passing comment ...


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RE: [Elecraft] Good Public Relations (WAS: OT - Lighthouses and Amateurradio)

2007-06-23 Thread John Lemay
Good morning all

I'm a newcomer (just 2 days so far) to this group, and joined with the
single objective of learning more about the K3. I'm afraid lighthouse
information does nothing at all for me.

Thanks

John G4ZTR

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire
Sent: 23 June 2007 07:35
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Good Public Relations (WAS: OT - Lighthouses and
Amateurradio)

Hi Ken:

Thanks for the clarification. I think the subject IS appropriate to Amateur
Radio Operators and so Elecraft owners. We, as Amateur Radio Licensees, have
an obligation to consider the impact of our activities on non-Hams. I would
be miffed to bring some of my European relatives to, say, our local Newport
Oregon lighthouse to see a bit of history and find some sort of Ham radio
operating activity going on that detracts from the experience of visiting a
historic structure. 

It never occurred to me that any such group would intrude on places like
lighthouses in a way that was obvious or intrusive to those visitors not
particularly interested in the radio activity. It's true that one never has
a second chance to make a good first impression.

It's something to be aware of as we choose how we operate and enjoy our
hobby, wherever we are.

Ron AC7AC


-Original Message-

I acknowledge this topic isn't appropiate for here.  Well, I -do- have a K2
built at an Oregon lighthouse  (:-)

Ron, others ...

Yes, we've been working in the park and at the lighthouse for five years and
they're well-aware that I'm an amateur radio operator.  One ranger is
slightly familiar with the hobby ... he was especially interested in the
suit-sat experiment and I've supplied him with the orbiter's down-link
frequencies for his scanner.  A fellow host is K7JJ.

I pretty confident that the park management and staff are OK with the
hobby as a whole and they do understand what lighthouse week is about. I
think they go along with the operation each year because they know if they
didn't there would be flack from the Lighthouse Society and others. On the
other hand if they didn't have to take the flack from the
visiting public because of the operation they'd be happier.   In
reality, it's us hosts who have to deal with the visitors.

My comments mostly relate to the lighthouse visitors and their impression of
the amateur radio operation/s at the lighthouse.  There's very little
opportunity to educate them about what's going on.  Most aren't at all
interested and see the operation as a visual intrusion into their photo-op
and resent the clutter of the antennas, RV's, tents, noise, etc.  Who ARE
those people? What's going on out there? Oh ... my cousin plays with
radios, too ... his handle is Stump-Jumper. Do you know him?

Most lighthouse visitors are well-aware of the history and the need to
preserve the structures and their history.  That's why they visit.  I don't
see much, if any, help with preservation by handing out contacts to QSL
collectors.  Few have any interest in lighthouses beyond getting a unique
QSL and they're unlikely to join the Lighthouse Society as a result of a
QSO.

I'd give a whole lot to be able to eleminate the word HAM from our hobby.
Most of the visitors see us as just that ...hams... those strange folks
outside on the lawn.  I detest the name.

Perhaps my view is jaded ...

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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- Original Message - 
From: Ron D'Eau Claire
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, 23 June, 2007 03:29
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Pacific Coast Lighthouses First Day of Issue
Ceremony


Well, Ken, did you step up and identify yourself as an Amateur Radio
Operator and explain how that activity helps promote an awareness of these
historic structures around the country?

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-

As a passing comment ...


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Re: I want this radio REALLY bad (was [Elecraft] K3 production runs -

2007-06-23 Thread Toby Deinhardt
Inflated units could pose a problem, since there is no official VAT code 
for imported recrational air.


Air? He says Air? Good god man! It's gaseous Mojo...
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Re: [Elecraft] Good Public Relations (WAS: OT - Lighthouses and Amateurradio)

2007-06-23 Thread Ian J Maude

John Lemay wrote:

Good morning all

I'm a newcomer (just 2 days so far) to this group, and joined with the
single objective of learning more about the K3. I'm afraid lighthouse
information does nothing at all for me.
  
You should have been here a few weeks ago John, you couldn't move for K3 
postings.  So much that people were complaining about them :-)
It is sort of a quiet time at the moment as we wait for the launch and 
release of figures and manuals with anticipation.  Those of us with 
orders already in for the K3 are looking forward to the shipment 
eagerly!  This thread will soon die out.  Roll with it a bit longer and 
you will see that this is a community mailing list.  The people on here 
are great and happy to help any time.
Have you looked through the FAQ on the website for the K3?  All those 
points came out of mailing list questions, that was how busy it was.  I 
am sure you will see plenty more about it.  In the meantime, if you have 
any questions, ask away.

Welcome to the list.

72/73 Ian

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SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster
Member of RSGB, ARRL, GQRP
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Re: [Elecraft] Good Public Relations (WAS: OT - Lighthouses and Amateurradio)

2007-06-23 Thread KBG Luxford

Firstly, welcome to the group, John.

One of the downsides of joining a group of such enthusiastic people is 
that from time to time a number of us get rather carried away by a 
thread that may be interesting to us, but perhaps of little interest or 
even baffling to others.


What you will find here is an extraordinary willingness to help out 
people with problems and, largely, an absence of personal comments or 
flames.


The enthusiasm for more Elecraft products could perhaps quite accurately 
be described as a frenzy.  The K3 has been long awaited, although real 
information up to the launch date was absent.  Following the product 
announcement, the tsunami of K3 capability queries has largely subsided.


As for me, I am still building my K2.  It has been several years in the 
works, but now am girding my loins to advance its construction another 
notch.  I am not even thinking about a K3 at the moment.  My good wife 
would worry that money spent on a K3 might be better used when I am a 
little less capable and have less marbles than I have now.


73
Kevin
VK3DAP / ZL2DAP

John Lemay wrote:

Good morning all

I'm a newcomer (just 2 days so far) to this group, and joined with the
single objective of learning more about the K3. I'm afraid lighthouse
information does nothing at all for me.

Thanks

John G4ZTR


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Mic Possibility

2007-06-23 Thread Julian G4ILO

On 6/22/07, Lyle Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


And I have tested K3 s/n 002 with a cheap Radio Shack Optimus Nova 79
headset plugged into the rear panel jacks.  Mic and stereo phones worked
just fine.


Is there a voltage for an electret mic insert on that socket?
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Re: [Elecraft] Good Public Relations (WAS: OT - Lighthouses and Amateur radio)

2007-06-23 Thread Julian G4ILO

On 6/23/07, Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It never occurred to me that any such group would intrude on places like
lighthouses in a way that was obvious or intrusive to those visitors not
particularly interested in the radio activity. It's true that one never has
a second chance to make a good first impression.

It's something to be aware of as we choose how we operate and enjoy our
hobby, wherever we are.


That's a very good point and one I hadn't thought of before. One could
also argue that radio amateurs operating from mountain summits are
spoiling the enjoyment of those who go there to experience nature.
Though many hill-walkers here collect summits by climbing them, so
ours is just another way of doing it!

When I saw a photo of the BS7H operation I felt that many would think
radio hams must be mad to send a bunch of people to a pimple of rock
in the ocean just so they could claim a new prefix. But perhaps we
would be better off confining our expedition activities to places like
that which no-one else has an interest in. :)
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[Elecraft] OT: Hate the word ham

2007-06-23 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL

So Ken hates the word Ham when used to describe us, well, hams.

ME TOO!

1.  As a adjective to RADIO, it adds no meaning except to other hams

2.  To the uninitiated, is sounds rather silly (at best)

3.  It does not convey the technical nor operating skill levels
required/achieved

4.  Zero offense to Elecraft, but I can only imagine what hands-on
ham radio conveys to a non-ham.   LOL


For me, I'd rather be called a short wave radio operator, even
though I operate on frequencies outside the short waves.  At least
short wave is a term many folks (but probably not kids) understand.
Then again, I'm sure kids today would get a good laugh (and not much
more) from the phrase ham radio.

Maybe us hams need a campaign to repackage ourself in terms of the public.

de Doug KR2Q
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[Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 38, Issue 31

2007-06-23 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Ah - so I could have my Heil MH-10 connected to rear via an adapter and the
proset connected at front and use menu to switch between them?


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 Message: 27
 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:40:13 -0700
 From: AB7R [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Mic Possibility
 To: Michael Koetje [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250
 
 Yes.  You can use either mic port, but not both.  There is a menu setting to
 choose the mic source, front panel or rear panel.
 
 73
 Greg
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[Elecraft] K2 SSB (was: K3 SSB)

2007-06-23 Thread David Woolley

Kenneth E. Harker wrote:
example).  With the K2, you can get a 10 kHz per knob revolution at 100 Hz 
tuning, or 10 Hz tuning at just 1 kHz per knob revolution.  100 kHz tuning 


Was the kHz a typo here?



I've tried replacing the optical encoder in the K2 with one that is higher 
resolution.  If you go with one that has four times as many steps per

revolution as the stock encoder, you can have 10 Hz tuning resolution and
get 4 KHz per knob revolution.  While that is an improvement, it's not


I found single stepping with only 100 steps per revolution a bit fiddly,
although I've only done this in the control board test, so far.

I think, though, that the right mod for this is a firmware one, not a
hardware one, but Elecraft hold the monopoly on firmware mods.

When I first read the section on tuning rate, it rather surprised me
that they didn't do something that was common with track balls, long
before the inventions of Windows, namely to make the velocity response
non-linear.  That way, if you are fine tuning, it will step very slowly,
but, if you spin the dial, it will slew very quickly.  Even the, more
consumer oriented, ATS-803A does that, even if their non-optical encoder
leaves something to be desired.

You can even make it so that very slow turning requires several encoder
steps per frequency step.


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Re: [Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 38, Issue 31

2007-06-23 Thread Lyle Johnson

 Yes.  You can use either mic port, but not both.  There is a
 menu setting to choose the mic source, front panel or rear panel.


Ah - so I could have my Heil MH-10 connected to rear via an adapter and the
proset connected at front and use menu to switch between them?


Yes, and if you attach your computer to the PC IO In jack on the rear 
panel, the same menu can be used to select it instead (e.g., voice 
keyer, soundcard data mode, etc.)



73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Hate the word ham

2007-06-23 Thread W2AGN
DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:
 So Ken hates the word Ham when used to describe us, well, hams.
 
 ME TOO!
 
 1.  As a adjective to RADIO, it adds no meaning except to other hams
 
 2.  To the uninitiated, is sounds rather silly (at best)
 
 3.  It does not convey the technical nor operating skill levels
 required/achieved
 
 4.  Zero offense to Elecraft, but I can only imagine what hands-on
 ham radio conveys to a non-ham.   LOL
 
 
 For me, I'd rather be called a short wave radio operator, even
 though I operate on frequencies outside the short waves.  At least
 short wave is a term many folks (but probably not kids) understand.
 Then again, I'm sure kids today would get a good laugh (and not much
 more) from the phrase ham radio.
 
 Maybe us hams need a campaign to repackage ourself in terms of the
 public.
 
 de Doug KR2Q

The term Ham Radio has been used at least for 75 years, possibly more. Most of
us old-timers are proud to be Hams. But then, we took real exams and even,
back in the olden days, had to pass a Morse Code test. (After walking barefoot
in the snow 5 miles to the FCC examiner, of course).

Perhaps the term Ham Radio has become outmoded, with the new trends in Amateur
Radio, no more code test, memorized exams, etc. So maybe we should repackage
ourselves.

I know! Why don't we call it Citizen's Band?  (CB for short).

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Mic Possibility

2007-06-23 Thread Lyle Johnson

And I have tested K3 s/n 002 with a cheap Radio Shack Optimus Nova 79
headset plugged into the rear panel jacks.  Mic and stereo phones worked
just fine.


Is there a voltage for an electret mic insert on that socket?


Yes, you turn the bias voltage on or disconnect it in the same menu that 
you use to select it.  Front and rear have independent bias voltage 
toggles.   Thus, the K3 supports Electret (but not 48V ones!) as well as 
dynamic.  I've used both types.


73,

Lyle KK7P


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[Elecraft] H.A.M.= Helping All Mankind

2007-06-23 Thread Charles Harpole
Relax and promote my one man effort to re-label the ham in ham radio to 
mean its real true roots...   Helping All Mankind.


I suggested this meaning to ARRL and they even allowed a short letter to the 
editor in QST from me saying this, but edited it out of my article for them.


It was not ARRL's idea and thus automatically has no merit.

Try it... Helping All Mankind you'll like it.  73

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RE: [Elecraft] OT: Hate the word ham

2007-06-23 Thread Craig Rairdin
 So Ken hates the word Ham when used to describe us, well, hams.
 
 ME TOO!

It fits with the old-fashioned-ness of the hobby. The other embarrassing
word we use is Elmer to refer to a mentor.

In terms of its reputation and usefulness, ham radio seems stuck in the 50's
to me. Technology-wise it's pretty up-to-date but for the most part it's a
quaint throwback to simpler times. The name ham may be odd and
embarrassing, but people do know what it means.

Craig
NZ0R

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[Elecraft] K3 Filters

2007-06-23 Thread R March
The K3 description mentions variable XTAL filters (up to three) in the
front end, prior to the DSP. My question is: are these filters variable band
width (similar to the K2, which used a filter whose BW could be changed as a
function of voltage applied ) or are the filters variable in that multiple
filters are switched to track with the DSP setting.  IOW, if one has just
the 500 Hz filter for the front end, can the BW of that filter be narrowed
if one sets a tighter BW overall?  Or does one need a narrower roofing
filter to narrow the roofing filter stage BW?  Thanks,  Bob, N7UA

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[Elecraft] Beta K3's?

2007-06-23 Thread Fred (FL)
Whatever happened to all those BETA proto K3's,
that the developers have - has anyone heard any
of them on the bands?  If I was one of them
hams, I'm sure I'd be itch'n to get it on
the air?

73 de Fred, N3CSY


   

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Hate the word

2007-06-23 Thread Mike Morrow
The use of the term ham is classical.  Few are those who are unfamiliar with 
the oft heard phrase:

I think, therefore I ham!

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Filters

2007-06-23 Thread Lyle Johnson

The K3 description mentions variable XTAL filters (up to three) in the
front end, prior to the DSP. My question is: are these filters variable band
width ...


These are for variable-width crystal filters, similar to the K2 filters. 
 The variable-width filters will be available at some future date. 
Three of the five roofing filter locations on the main receiver -- and 
three on the sub-receiver -- are set up to accommodate these filters. 
All five roofing filter locations in each receiver can accept standard, 
fixed-width crystal filters.


73,

Lyle KK7P

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[Elecraft] Field day

2007-06-23 Thread Werner Denise Haschke
This is a bit short notice but can't find the rule regarding band changing
while being single transmitter.
Anyone know if the 15 minute between band changes is still in effect.
I will be in the woods with my trusty K2 and a stockpile of batteries.
Thanks a bunch.

Werner   N8BB
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Hate the word ham

2007-06-23 Thread n5ib
I'll offer a comment here...

I beleive that the phrase ham radio operators carries more recognition
with the public than amateur radio operators. At least here along the
hurricane coast if you tell someone your hobby is amatuer radio you might
get a quizzical look, but if you say you're a ham operator they tend to
perk up and say somethig like Oh, like the guys who helped out after
Katrina? The news media usually refers to reports via ham radio
operators and similar words. Our Louisiana call letter plates have the
legend Ham Operator.

To that end, the magnetic signs we are making to put on vehicles when we
are doing public service communications at events will read

-
(with BRARC Club and ARRL logos)

Baton Rouge Amateur Radio Club

HAM RADIO COMMUNICATIONS
-

73,
Jim, N5IB
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Mic Possibility

2007-06-23 Thread Julian G4ILO

On 6/23/07, Lyle Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Yes, you turn the bias voltage on or disconnect it in the same menu that
you use to select it.  Front and rear have independent bias voltage
toggles.   Thus, the K3 supports Electret (but not 48V ones!) as well as
dynamic.  I've used both types.


Okay, you guys really have thought of everything!

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Hate the word ham

2007-06-23 Thread Julian G4ILO

On 6/23/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'll offer a comment here...

I beleive that the phrase ham radio operators carries more recognition
with the public than amateur radio operators. At least here along the
hurricane coast if you tell someone your hobby is amatuer radio you might
get a quizzical look, but if you say you're a ham operator they tend to
perk up and say somethig like Oh, like the guys who helped out after
Katrina? The news media usually refers to reports via ham radio
operators and similar words. Our Louisiana call letter plates have the
legend Ham Operator.


I'm with you on this. When you have a recognizable brand name you
don't throw it away, and ham radio means more to most people than
any new name you might make up. Amateur tends to imply incompetence
to most people. There is far more to the hobby than people operating
radios and not being paid.

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Hate the word ham

2007-06-23 Thread Jozef Hand-Boniakowski
I always remember wanting to be a Ham.   I have now been a ham for 43 
plus years having acquired WN2MIC in 1963.  It is a respectful term as 
well as one of endearment, in my opinion.  If the public at large is 
unfamiliar with or find the term ham as odd or unusual, then I suggest 
an opportunity has opened to educate them.


Jozef WB2MIC


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'll offer a comment here...

I beleive that the phrase ham radio operators carries more recognition
with the public than amateur radio operators. At least here along the
hurricane coast if you tell someone your hobby is amatuer radio you might
get a quizzical look, but if you say you're a ham operator they tend to
perk up and say somethig like Oh, like the guys who helped out after
Katrina? The news media usually refers to reports via ham radio
operators and similar words. Our Louisiana call letter plates have the
legend Ham Operator.

To that end, the magnetic signs we are making to put on vehicles when we
are doing public service communications at events will read

-
(with BRARC Club and ARRL logos)

Baton Rouge Amateur Radio Club

HAM RADIO COMMUNICATIONS
-

73,
Jim, N5IB
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Hate the word ham

2007-06-23 Thread Ian Stirling
  I don't mind the term, Ham.
 What I really hate is Amateur Radio operator.
Many Radio Amateurs are much more than mere
operators - designers, builders, elmers, experimenters
and so on.

Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Hate the word ham

2007-06-23 Thread Ken Kopp

Hard to say which name carries the most negative implications
to the public ... ham or amateur - but I'd expect ham is the most
negative.

Yes -WE- think of ham fondly, but to someone who knows little
or nothing about the hobby it means something less than good.
Perhaps the best we can do is Ham radio operator, but NEVER
Ham operator!

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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[Elecraft] K3

2007-06-23 Thread Scott McDowell

Hi
Well, since the K3 is about all you see here anymore, I have a question 
about it.

Can you change that depressing looking display to green?
Just thought I'd ask.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3

2007-06-23 Thread Lyle Johnson
Well, since the K3 is about all you see here anymore, I have a question 
about it.

Can you change that depressing looking display to green?


The cheerful amber backlight can be turned off, and has several levels 
of intensity when on.


73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Hate the word ham

2007-06-23 Thread W6NEK

I agree Jim,
Even as recently as 2003 when Walter Cronkite hosted the video Amateur 
Radio Today he refers to radio amateurs as HAMS.  Just part of a long 
established lexicon.  By the way, it's a pretty good video too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z9136_Nhh4mode=relatedsearch=

73,
Frank - W6NEK - (A HAM since 1959)

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Hate the word ham



I'll offer a comment here...

I beleive that the phrase ham radio operators carries more recognition
with the public than amateur radio operators. At least here along the
hurricane coast if you tell someone your hobby is amatuer radio you might
get a quizzical look, but if you say you're a ham operator they tend to
perk up and say somethig like Oh, like the guys who helped out after
Katrina? The news media usually refers to reports via ham radio
operators and similar words. Our Louisiana call letter plates have the
legend Ham Operator.

To that end, the magnetic signs we are making to put on vehicles when we
are doing public service communications at events will read

-
(with BRARC Club and ARRL logos)

Baton Rouge Amateur Radio Club

HAM RADIO COMMUNICATIONS
-

73,
Jim, N5IB
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[Elecraft] Why buy a K3

2007-06-23 Thread Tim Logan
I've been off the reflector for months, and off the air for months, and 
about to get back on.  Now am seeing the K3 seeming to take the world by 
a storm. In a nutshell, other than perhaps a second receiver - what 
benefits does the K3 really have over a K2 - (in layman's non-engineer 
language :-) Is the difference in specs something I would truly hear? 
Thanks all. 73/Tim NZ7C

PS Does anyone know if the K3 will have much stronger audio than the K2?
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[Elecraft] OT: ham vs amateur

2007-06-23 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL

HI all:

After helping with set-up at Field Day, I am waiting for my shift (I
start when the mosquitoes comes out).so I have some time to kill.

This topic sounded like the perfect opportunity to try www.googlefight.com

Ham Radio = 1, 240,000 hits

Amateur Radio = 1,300,000 hits

H...so now what?

Ennui!

de Doug KR2Q

PS..in case anyone is interested, when I took my FCC tests, I had to
take the train to NYC and get on the 7th Ave IRT to the FCC building
and try to copy code on a desk that was older than dirt and had the
desktop pock-marked with the carved-out grooves from 10,000 previous
test-takers to prove it.  My first xmtr was out of the 1964 ARRL
handbook (love rescuing those TV xmfrs with 1 long leads) and my
first commerical xmtr was a (very used) DX20.  Even then, I thought
that others sort of laughed at the term ham radio.  Same time
frame, different impressions.
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[Elecraft] Hate the word ham

2007-06-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED],net
I certainly agree with Jozef.  There is something called tradition.  We are 
hams, and should be proud of that title.  It took much effort in days 
past, unlike today.  When I recieved my Extra class license it meant 
something other than the fact of successfully memorizing some answers.  We 
now have Extra class operators.  The FCC changed ham radio in order to 
get more numbers.  Never mind quality, let's have numbers.  Never mind the 
traditions.  By the way I do remember my Elmer from 1956. Mike K4ELV
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Re: [Elecraft] Why buy a K3

2007-06-23 Thread Lyle Johnson

...In a nutshell, other than perhaps a second receiver - what
benefits does the K3 really have over a K2 - (in layman's non-engineer 
language :-)


Are you interested in CW (K3 has better QSK), SSB (K3 has IF clipping, 
AntiVOX, really good filtering that is easy to use), Data (K3 has an 
internal decoder for RTTY and PSK, and an isolated soundcard interface 
built in), contesting (K3 has a stronger receiver, lower phase noise)? 
Are you plagued by noise (the K3 has a better noise blanker plus DSP 
noise blanking)?  Are you a VHFer (K3 covers 6m, and has FM)?


Please see the FAQ  URL:http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm .

Is the difference in specs something I would truly hear? 


Well, I certainly hear the difference :-)


PS Does anyone know if the K3 will have much stronger audio than the K2?


I don't know if you mean more AF power capability, or more overall gain 
so a given signal sounds stronger.  K3 has both.


73,

Lyle KK7P

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[Elecraft] K3: Attn Field Testers

2007-06-23 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL

Dear Field Testers,

Lyle referred me to YOU!

I recently inquired about how the SWR is displayed.  The answer is now
part of the FAQ.

This is a really exciting method (nice trick), but I have a
question, perhaps a concern.

If I'm on CW and doing 40 wpm QSK (common for me), is the DISPLAY (S
meter // RF/SWR) going to flicker at 40 wpm as I go from TX to RX?
Can the display keep up?

Should I assume that there is some sort of delay (user settable?) so that the
display doesn't go crazy during QRQ QSK.  Yes?  Some other solution?

Thanks,
de Doug KR2Q
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Re: [Elecraft] Hate the word ham

2007-06-23 Thread W2AGN
[EMAIL PROTECTED],net wrote:
 I certainly agree with Jozef.  There is something called tradition.  We are 
 hams, and should be proud of that title.  It took much effort in days 
 past, unlike today.  When I recieved my Extra class license it meant 
 something other than the fact of successfully memorizing some answers.  We 
 now have Extra class operators.  The FCC changed ham radio in order to 
 get more numbers.  Never mind quality, let's have numbers.  Never mind the 
 traditions.  By the way I do remember my Elmer from 1956. Mike K4ELV
 __

Well Said! Unfortunately, you will now be relegated to the classification of
old-fuddy-duddy or worse by the MCE crowd.  (MCE=Multiple Choice Extras).




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[Elecraft] K2: attention builders - perfect for your K2 (or K1)

2007-06-23 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL

You won't believe this!

http://www.qrpgloves.com/index.php?cPath=44

de Doug KR2Q
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[Elecraft] Re: K3: Attn Field Testers

2007-06-23 Thread wayne burdick
At very high code speeds the SWR and power bargraphs will stay on 
between code elements. This becomes necessary above a certain WPM rate 
because LCDs have a finite switching time, and we want to avoid 
flicker, which could lead to misleading bargraph readings. The receiver 
will still recover between code elements if you're using full QSK.


I hadn't thought about making this user-programmable, but that's 
possible.


73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Jun 23, 2007, at 1:33 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:


If I'm on CW and doing 40 wpm QSK (common for me), is the DISPLAY (S
meter // RF/SWR) going to flicker at 40 wpm as I go from TX to RX?
Can the display keep up?

Should I assume that there is some sort of delay (user settable?) so 
that the

display doesn't go crazy during QRQ QSK.  Yes?  Some other solution?




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Re: [Elecraft] The word ham

2007-06-23 Thread Ken Kopp
The subject as it's being discussed here has two points 
of focus ...


Some of us Hams understand and take perverse pride 
in the ham title ... all and well and good, as we know what

it means.

It means something entirely different to people who have
no knowledge of the hobby and hear us defined as hams.
Ham: A poor or amateurish actor ... or ...To exaggerate 
or overdo.  It's the only defination for the word they know.


Of course those that we've helped  ... Katrina, etc. ... well-know 
us and need no further explanation, but in the context of the 
lighthouse visitor we should not be viewed as hams, although 
I'm sure that's how many/most see us.  To most it's a derogatory 
label for an individual.


Now, it's time this thread should fade away ... (:-))

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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[Elecraft] Re: Hate the word Ham

2007-06-23 Thread Jim Murray
 
Have been a ham radio operator for so long I
really
never found anythng negative about it.  People have
always understood the difference between a Ham and a
CB'er.  I guess opinions vary with what generation
your in.  As far a tradions go I think we have lost
enough of them recently.  Move over Hams new
technology and big business is slowly taking over.
Jim/k2hn
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED],net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I certainly agree with Jozef.  There is something
 called tradition.  We are 
 hams, and should be proud of that title.  It took
 much effort in days 
 past, unlike today.  When I recieved my Extra class
 license it meant 
 something other than the fact of successfully
 memorizing some answers.  We 
 now have Extra class operators.  The FCC changed
 ham radio in order to 
 get more numbers.  Never mind quality, let's have
 numbers.  Never mind the 
 traditions.  By the way I do remember my Elmer from
 1956. Mike K4ELV
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[Elecraft] K2 vs K3 audio

2007-06-23 Thread Ken Kopp

From the posts I've read in the past there would seem to

be large differences in the amount of audio delivered by
a K2.

Perhaps those of you who service them or in some other
way have exposure to multiple K2's can comment.

Mine's speaker level ia completely adequate and can be 
turned up far beyond comfortable ... for me, anyway.


Ken Kopp - K0PP
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[Elecraft] Re: Hate the word ham

2007-06-23 Thread Jozef Hand-Boniakowski
Agreed.  Me too, by the way. My Elmer was W2FVB, Walter Muller.  In my 
33 year high school  teaching carrier, not one student ever made fun of 
the term ham.  I taught a ham radio class for science credit (for 
graduation) that met daily, but you had to have acquired a callsign to 
get the credit. No kid ever made fun of me being their Elmer, however, 
many remember their Elmer fondly like I remember mine  As a 14 year old 
know it all teenager, I had no problem telling my peers that I was a 
ham.  No one ever made fun of me.  Quite the contrary.  We are what we 
think, and, what we think, we project. 


Jozef WB2MIC

[EMAIL PROTECTED],net wrote:
I certainly agree with Jozef.  There is something called tradition.  We are 
hams, and should be proud of that title.  It took much effort in days 
past, unlike today.  When I recieved my Extra class license it meant 
something other than the fact of successfully memorizing some answers.  We 
now have Extra class operators.  The FCC changed ham radio in order to 
get more numbers.  Never mind quality, let's have numbers.  Never mind the 
traditions.  By the way I do remember my Elmer from 1956. Mike K4ELV


  

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[Elecraft] Positive Recognition (WAS: Hate the word ham)

2007-06-23 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Just a few days ago XYL Cobi and I moved to a new QTH on the Oregon Coast -
a small community of homes on the hillside directly above the beach.

While our home is well above the tsunami danger line, the only way into our
out of this general area is two-lane US highway 101 running along the beach,
barely twenty feet above high tide in many places. It was clear to us that
storm surges as well as tsunamis could easily disrupt use of the road,
perhaps for several days or even weeks in the event of a serious
earthquake/tsunami event. 

We are in a community of perhaps 100 homes on fairly large wooded lots. I've
lived in such communities before and know to be prepared to get along
without outside contact for food, water or perhaps even power for days at a
time if there's a major storm or other problem. But I wasn't really prepared
for the level of organization here. Today I had a visit from a neighbor. The
community was going through simulated emergency exercise. In an emergency
volunteer teams check with every home to see if anyone is sick, injured or
otherwise needs assistance. Radio communications links are set up with
county disaster centers and the US Coast Guard. Today a Coast Guard
helicopter did a basket pickup from a clearing nearby - what they'd do if
someone needed emergency aid when the road was cut (Now there's an
E-ticket ride I'd like to take!). 

While we talked, I made a magic comment that caused my visitor, Mike, to
light up all smiles and he asked if I'd be willing to work with the
community providing what they consider an absolutely essential service. He
assured me that all of my neighbors would be forever in my debt if I could
participate. Of course I told him I would. 

The magic comment I made was this: 

I'm a Ham. 

Ron AC7AC

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: Hate the word ham

2007-06-23 Thread Julian G4ILO

Like it or not, the number of licensees was in decline before recent
changes in licensing. Without a sufficient number of hams, it's hard
to justify keeping our precious band allocations.

Many of the keenest and most enthusiastic members of the hobby are
those who were encouraged to join by the new licensing policy. Instead
of sounding like grumpy old members of a gentlemen's club, you should
be welcoming them.
--
Julian, G4ILO
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K2 s/n: 392  K3 s/n: ???
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[Elecraft] Re: Hate the word ham

2007-06-23 Thread David Lankshear
To me, HAM will always be boiled pig, but then at my age, I don't feel strongly 
about what I'm called.

Regrettably, I never had an individual Elmer but will always be grateful to 
the many from whom I've drawn advice, knowledge, encouragement and camaradie.

I'm not a very active ham but thanks to those who helped me, I've enjoyed the 
hobby immensely and am grateful that I've been able to help a few others along 
the way.

What's in a name?  Not a lot as far as I'm concerned.  I'm proud that I passed 
my amateurs' exam over 40 years ago and proud that I became proficient in morse 
code.  Part of me regrets the dumbing down of standards during my lifetime, 
but I also appreciate that much of it was necessary for the hobby's future 
survival.

Standards change from generation to generation; some I embrace and some I don't 
like.  Maybe it's as well that the inevitable tag of SK catches up with us all 
after our allotted span?

73  Dave:  G3TJP


 

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 vs K3 audio

2007-06-23 Thread Jeff Kinzli N6GQ

My K2 (#5945) has tons of audio, both in the headphones as well as in
the speaker. My volume knob never gets above about 1/4-1/3 scale.

Jeff N6GQ

On 6/23/07, Ken Kopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From the posts I've read in the past there would seem to
be large differences in the amount of audio delivered by
a K2.

Perhaps those of you who service them or in some other
way have exposure to multiple K2's can comment.

Mine's speaker level ia completely adequate and can be
turned up far beyond comfortable ... for me, anyway.

Ken Kopp - K0PP
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[Elecraft] Re: Hate the word Ham

2007-06-23 Thread Jim Murray
But why were we losing numbers?  Like I said, new
technology and big business.  I'm not a grumpy old man
but if I were commissioner of the FCC I would have a
code requirement of 20wpm (ok, maybe 10) and have each
applicant build a K2 and understand all the components
prior to ever keying a transmitter.

number of licensees was in decline before recent
changes in licensing. Without a sufficient number of
hams, it's hard
to justify keeping our precious band allocations.

Many of the keenest and most enthusiastic members of
the hobby are
those who were encouraged to join by the new licensing
policy. Instead
of sounding like grumpy old members of a gentlemen's
club, you should
be welcoming them.
-- 
Julian, G4ILO
G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
K2 s/n: 392  K3 s/n: ???
www.Ham-Directory.com: the best ham resources on the
net
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: Hate the word Ham [END of Thread]

2007-06-23 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Let's end this thread for now. In general, once an OT thread has 10+ 
posts in please try not to prolong its life. :-)


73, Eric   WA6HHQ
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Hate the word ham

2007-06-23 Thread Fred Jensen

Julian G4ILO wrote:


I'm with you on this. When you have a recognizable brand name you
don't throw it away, and ham radio means more to most people than
any new name you might make up. 


During the US adventure in SE Asia, I served in the First Mobile 
Communications Group.  We had communications teams all over Vietnam, 
Laos, and some in Thailand, and we were well known by all the services 
as The MOB and Mobsters.  Probably the coolest nickname for a 
military unit I've ever heard.  Much like Ham, it got people's 
attention, and since we were so good at providing combat communications, 
it helped endear us to those units we often had to rely on for shelter, 
food, water, fuel, mail, and sometimes ammunition.It was neat to be 
so well known and liked.


Then somewhere along the way, some fairly dim bulb threw away our brand 
name and renamed us the First Combat Communications Group.  Go ahead 
... make a cool nickname out of that one :-(


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2007 CQP Oct 6-7
- www.cqp.org

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Re: [Elecraft] K2: attention builders - perfect for your K2 (or K1)

2007-06-23 Thread Mike Aiello

I've seen these things come up from time to time on ebay when you search QRP

DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:

You won't believe this!

http://www.qrpgloves.com/index.php?cPath=44

de Doug KR2Q


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[Elecraft] Comparing SLAs

2007-06-23 Thread Scott Richardson
I used a 5Ah Powersonic PS-1250 gel cell to power my K1 for a few years 
before it faded. In shopping for a replacement, I find they're about $25, 
while another battery with the same dimensions and capacity made by Rhino 
sells for $8.


I'm assuming the Powersonic is a better battery, but I don't mind a small 
reduction in performance if I can get 3 batteries for the price of 1. Is 
this a smart savings?


Scott N1AIA 


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Re: [Elecraft] Why buy a K3

2007-06-23 Thread Rick Dettinger


  ...In a nutshell, other than perhaps a second receiver - what
  benefits does the K3 really have over a K2 - (in layman's non-engineer
  language :-)

 Are you interested in CW (K3 has better QSK), SSB (K3 has IF clipping,
 AntiVOX, really good filtering that is easy to use), Data (K3 has an
 internal decoder for RTTY and PSK, and an isolated soundcard interface
 built in), contesting (K3 has a stronger receiver, lower phase noise)?
 Are you plagued by noise (the K3 has a better noise blanker plus DSP
 noise blanking)?  Are you a VHFer (K3 covers 6m, and has FM)?

 73,

 Lyle KK7P
==
I don't do SSB, Data, contesting or VHF but I still want a K3.  I will like
having general coverage and the tuning rate of the K3 is just right.  The K2
rate of 1 khz per turn is too slow and the faster rate has big jumps in the
pitch.  Very annoying to me.  The tuning knob is as good as any and there is
more room on the panel.  Low phase noise sounds good to me but I am not sure
that I ever noticed any problem with my K2 in that respect.   Passband
tuning will be nice, also.  I have never used DSP but i am interested in
trying it.
73
Rick Dettinger
K7MW

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