Re: [Elecraft] K3 Accessory Connector
Along with the Anderson power poles, here is another bad choice for connector... the multi pin thing that is now used on computers for serial and parallel interface (in some pin number or other) was a stupid choice on computers and is even worse on a ham rig. My electronic engineer tells me these things were designed for about 25 plug and unplug prior to expected failure. Not counting the difficulty of soldering to these tiny things. What have modern technicans in the ham world... got against EASY And why think NEW is the same as BETTER ? Did u ever step on one of these things? I hope I misunderstood the connector name. Gee wizz. Oh, yes, keep my K3 order current ! Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ See what youre getting into before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Accessory Connector
I am surprised that you suggest these D connectors will only withstand 25 connections and disconnections. What do you suggest would be better? Many ham radios (including my FT-817) and other gear use the awful mini-DIN connectors with tiny pins that are about the thickness of a piece of wire. An old digital camera of mine has one of those and it has certainly lasted more than 25 connections, though it must be a miracle. The computer D plugs are solid and robust by comparison, whatever your engineer thinks. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 8/29/07, Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Along with the Anderson power poles, here is another bad choice for connector... the multi pin thing that is now used on computers for serial and parallel interface (in some pin number or other) was a stupid choice on computers and is even worse on a ham rig. My electronic engineer tells me these things were designed for about 25 plug and unplug prior to expected failure. Not counting the difficulty of soldering to these tiny things. What have modern technicans in the ham world... got against EASY And why think NEW is the same as BETTER ? Did u ever step on one of these things? I hope I misunderstood the connector name. Gee wizz. Oh, yes, keep my K3 order current ! Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ See what you're getting into…before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 connections
Hate to admit it...I sat on my glassesand I can't see well enough to determine from the Elecraft web page what type of connections are required for the K3from posts I know it's a 9 pin rs-232...and assume the chassis mount is female? The rest of the pictures I can see have a whole pile of little round circles (g). I looked on their site, and can;t seem to find a list...if someone can tell me, It would be a great help...as I could then feel my way through a box of stuff I have here. Thanks Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Accessory Connector
I found this specification sheet http://www.erni.com/DB/PDF/TMC/ERNI-TMC-Connectors-e.pdf which suggests that these connectors are good for 200 mating cycles (bet that doesn't get past the spam filter!) That's more than enough for me, though I see a 500 cycle rated version is also available. Anyone who needs to make more disconnections than that should make a short flying lead with a more robust connector on the end of it. Don't forget this is a small radio so it has to have small connectors. Also why should every buyer have to pay the cost of expensive military grade connectors with a life cycle that most users will never reach? The connectors Elecraft is using are the same as used on every other radio and you don't hear constant complaints about failure from every ham. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 8/29/07, Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So called D connectors have design specifications issued by various mfg of them. Most list a limited life of 10 to 30 plug/unplug cycles. That is from the designers. Of course, hams often push design specs well beyond those published... a good example is my friend's 50 foot FREE STANDING Rohn 25G tower topped with a 5 el tribander (still standing after 16 yrs with no guys-- crazy) but much more than reliability is the issue of USE-ABILITY. The K3 is a field radio and under the most remote and demanding condx, anderson Powerpole and these D thingies are the first frustrations UNLESS If u have 1. steady soldering hands 2. very good eyesight 3. extra patience 4. proper small soldering tools 5. a proper crimper 6. extra care when plugging and unplugging, and 7. a large parts store locally in ur area, THEN, you can welcome these toy (D) or non standard (APP) connectors. What is better, altho old stuff--- Cinch Jones (or even Molex) and below that, screw terminal strips and/or binding posts. If u r stuck with only bare wire and MUST make a connection, sticking a bare wire tip into a Jones socket is DO-ABLE, or even into a Molex try that with D s and even with the APPs. The JA folks who gave us DIN connectors are now roasting in Small Connector Hell, where they have to solder 30 pin DINs with the firey heat of their bare fingers and are dipped bodily into molten solder for every mistake. Oh wish. Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 PLL Reference Oscillator failure
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Don Wilhelm wrote: Check L33 and the crystal leads for good soldering. Be certain D18 and Q19 are oriented correctly and well soldered. Check the varactors D16 and D17 for proper orientation, proper types (D16 large and D17 smaller) and good soldering. Measure the resistance from Q19 source to ground - if it is much larger than 270 ohms, check the lead tinning on RFC14 (remove it and re-tin You did it again Don! That was the hint I needed - all because of RFC14, which I had recently re-wound. Since I had re-installed that one part, I had thought it would be the last thing to create a problem. Toroids. :-) We're now on Part III of the alignment and assembling some mini-modules for the final push to testing. Thanks very much! Will ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Accessory Connector
In a recent message, Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ... but much more than reliability is the issue of USE-ABILITY. The K3 is a field radio and under the most remote and demanding condx, anderson Powerpole and these D thingies are the first frustrations Are you suggesting that there be a last minute change in the design of the K3, Charles, thus delaying the dispatch of the K3 to those of us who are happy with the product? 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Accessory Connector
A stupid choice? In my meager 18 year IT Electronics career I've never seen a D-sub failure beyond mashed pins (which was due to operator error or abuse). I've seen these go through hundreds of matings with no problem. Also, you can still get these connectors at Radio Shaft, so I think it's a great choice, better than those DIN connectors that are much more of a pain to locate, solder, and assemble (especially the mini-DINs). The fact that it's a 15 pin connector makes it even more available as it's a computer SVGA port connector. You can go to Circuit City and purchase an SVGA extension cable, cut off one end and you have a prefab cable (no connector soldering). And how is the D-Sub connector new? I think these things have been around since the 70's? What connector should they use? Please don't suggest a Jones connector or those round metal Amphenol waterproof connectors. We don't need 20 amp connections and a connector that will withstand combat. An RG-45 might be a candidate, but it has half the pins and arguably isn't as robust as a D sub. (An outright bad choice would have been one of those 72 pin SCSI connectors.) 72 Goody K3NG Charles Harpole wrote: Along with the Anderson power poles, here is another bad choice for connector... the multi pin thing that is now used on computers for serial and parallel interface (in some pin number or other) was a stupid choice on computers and is even worse on a ham rig. My electronic engineer tells me these things were designed for about 25 plug and unplug prior to expected failure. Not counting the difficulty of soldering to these tiny things. What have modern technicans in the ham world... got against EASY And why think NEW is the same as BETTER ? Did u ever step on one of these things? I hope I misunderstood the connector name. Gee wizz. Oh, yes, keep my K3 order current ! Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ See what you’re getting into…before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- Blog: http://thek3ngreport.blogspot.com/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Accessory Connector
Somebody mentioned the reliability of military connectors. One well-known military connector (Pattern 105 series) used in millions has a 500 insertions limit. Reliability is calculated from a change of resistance beyond a given limit at a given current, ambient temperature, etc. Most applications are designed not to go near the limit, so, 'reliability' as a statistical tool is limited. WE might consider an unreliable connector in a different way. David G3UNA - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Accessory Connector
Charles Harpole wrote: So called D connectors have design specifications issued by various mfg of them. Most list a limited life of 10 to 30 plug/unplug cycles. That is from the designers. Of course, hams often push design specs well beyond those published... 10-30 plug/unplug cycles is for those who use cheap components and/or don't expect the need for many cycles (a printer for example). If there is concern about cycling lifetime, consider using a D-Shell or HD D-Shell that complies with MIL-DTL-24308; Cycling lifetime is much higher that the 10-30. http://www.dscc.dla.mil/Downloads/MilSpec/Docs/MIL-DTL-24308/dtl24308.pdf They are available and are more robust models of the classic D-Shells. They have been around for many decades now and are a fine choice. but much more than reliability is the issue of USE-ABILITY. The K3 is a field radio and under the most remote and demanding condx, anderson Powerpole and these D thingies are the first frustrations UNLESS If u have 1. steady soldering hands 2. very good eyesight 3. extra patience 4. proper small soldering tools 5. a proper crimper 6. extra care when plugging and unplugging, and 7. a large parts store locally in ur area, Granted, but even the most modest electrical/electronics workbench has at least some of these items and once you have your cables complete and made with good components and, perhaps, include a spare set, you should be good to go. THEN, you can welcome these toy (D) or non standard (APP) connectors. Cheap D-Shell connectors are toys. Good D-Shell connectors are good enough for harsh military conditions and are certainly not toys. Anderson Power Poles have become a standard. What is better, altho old stuff--- Cinch Jones (or even Molex) and below that, screw terminal strips and/or binding posts. If u r stuck with only bare wire and MUST make a connection, sticking a bare wire tip into a Jones socket is DO-ABLE, or even into a Molex try that with D s and even with the APPs. Old has its place, but has its costs and frequently ignores valid progress. The JA folks who gave us DIN connectors are now roasting in Small Connector Hell, where they have to solder 30 pin DINs with the firey heat of their bare fingers and are dipped bodily into molten solder for every mistake. Hahahaha... I think I agree with you on this one. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Accessory Connector
Kind of silly, I have regular normal D connectors that have worked fine after many thousands or connects and disconnects. I cant say I ever had a problem with the old stuff, it's the new stuff that lasts a month, like cell phone charger hookups. Brett N2DTS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Elecraft K3 shipping end August ??
Hi, From the comments of those apparently in the know it appears that the K3 will not be shipping by the end of August. Whilst I appreciate the need to ensure that the first shipments are fully tested and conform to specification, and all the documentation is fully sorted, I wonder whether an official update on the website might be helpful to manage expectations ??. In the last official update of 23rd July . We appreciate your patience as we transition into full K3 production. We'll keep you informed of our progress, and look forward to your feedback on the manuals as they near completion. We've already had many offers to proofread -- thanks! 73 Bob Hammond G4DBW ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Accessory Connector
Brett writes: Kind of silly, I have regular normal D connectors that have worked fine after many thousands or connects and disconnects. I tend to agree... my 1972-era PDP-11 systems all have D-shell connectors for most I/O, and guess what, they still work fine. And yeah, that's slightly more then the listed 200-to-500 matings, I can guarantee that! :) Elecraft's choice of using the D-Sub15 is fine. It's solderable by most people, not too flimsy to just break when being pulled at the connector end (try that with a MiniDIN ..) and, as someone else already mentioned, you can even grab a regular PC VGA cable, get rid of the other end of the cable (that being a connector or a monitor ;-) and then use it for the KayThree... Cheers, Fred PA4YBR/KA4YBR #05331 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Accessory Connector
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is whole argument is ridiculous! ANYBODY, who mates and de-mates a sub-D connector more than 50 times needs to sit down and take a serious look at their operating practices. A Cinch-Jones accessory connector? Come on! Why is the ridiculous Molex connector considered a standard? Not because it's any better than the APP but because it's what the manufacturers could get for pennies per connector. Charles Harpole wrote: So called D connectors have design specifications issued by various mfg of them. Most list a limited life of 10 to 30 plug/unplug cycles. That is from the designers. Of course, hams often push design specs well beyond those published... a good example is my friend's 50 foot FREE STANDING Rohn 25G tower topped with a 5 el tribander (still standing after 16 yrs with no guys-- crazy) but much more than reliability is the issue of USE-ABILITY. The K3 is a field radio and under the most remote and demanding condx, anderson Powerpole and these D thingies are the first frustrations UNLESS If u have 1. steady soldering hands 2. very good eyesight 3. extra patience 4. proper small soldering tools 5. a proper crimper 6. extra care when plugging and unplugging, and 7. a large parts store locally in ur area, THEN, you can welcome these toy (D) or non standard (APP) connectors. What is better, altho old stuff--- Cinch Jones (or even Molex) and below that, screw terminal strips and/or binding posts. If u r stuck with only bare wire and MUST make a connection, sticking a bare wire tip into a Jones socket is DO-ABLE, or even into a Molex try that with D s and even with the APPs. The JA folks who gave us DIN connectors are now roasting in Small Connector Hell, where they have to solder 30 pin DINs with the firey heat of their bare fingers and are dipped bodily into molten solder for every mistake. Oh wish. Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com - -- R. Kevin Stover, ACØH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG1Wvt11jxjloa2wsRAlCKAJ9v57C+G6Ao3wCNNANqceN9SWABpACg1NQf DELUlse9TaDZBQjIAVTNeRg= =EZc9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] D-Connectors and DIN Connectors
Never had any fail unless you count the one time I got heavy handed connecting a VGA monitor :-( And of course the cable was soldered to the monitor board. And the JAs did NOT give us DIN connectors DIN is the abbreviation for Deutsche Industrie Norm or in English, German Industrial Standard. Vy 73, Bob DJ0MBC/WU5T No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 28.08.2007 16:29 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Accessory Connector
Come on! Why is the ridiculous Molex connector considered a standard? Not because it's any better than the APP but because it's what the manufacturers could get for pennies per connector. I designed a CNC control in the middle 70's and we used Molex connectors for DC power connections to the motherboard. These connectors normally had one insertion cycle on them, at most some had 5-10 cycles. They were so bad that the systems would fail and we would discover that the nylon had blackened with heat generated at the connection. We tried switching to gold contacts, and it helped, but the final solution was to hardwire (solder) the power leads to the board. So far my experience with the APP connectors is much better. Mark AD5SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 connections
Thom: Hate to admit it...I sat on my glassesand I can't see well enough to determine from the Elecraft web page what type of connections are required for the K3from posts I know it's a 9 pin rs-232...and assume the chassis mount is female? The rest of the pictures I can see have a whole pile of little round circles (g). I looked on their site, and can;t seem to find a list...if someone can tell me, It would be a great help...as I could then feel my way through a box of stuff I have here. ON THE REAR PANEL OF THE K3 ITSELF: KIO3 RS-232 DE-9 FEMALE Receptacle ACCDE-15 FEMALE Receptacle (Hi-density 15-pin) SPKRS 1/8 (3.5mm) STEREO Jack PHONES 1/8 (3.5mm) STEREO Jack MIC1/8 (3.5mm) MONO Jack LINE IN1/8 (3.5mm) MONO Jack LINE OUT 1/8 (3.5mm) STEREO Jack KEY 1/4 MONO Phone Jack PADDLE 1/4 STEREO Phone Jack PTT IN RCA Female Jack KEY OUT RCA Female Jack REF IN SMA Female Jack (Included ONLY with the Hi-Stab TCXO) KXV3 ALL BNC Female Jacks (KXV3 is in OPTION) 12VDC OUTRCA Female Jack AUX RF BNC Female Socket (not supplied with K3) ANT1/2 SO-239 Female Socket 73, Tom Hammond N0SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Accessory Connector
In a message dated 8/29/07 7:38:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can go to Circuit City and purchase an SVGA extension cable, cut off one end and you have a prefab cable (no connector soldering). Don't even have to do that. As flat-panel displays have become inexpensive, old CRT displays show up on the trash all the time, usually with their video cables. And how is the D-Sub connector new? I think these things have been around since the 70's? My 1959 (not a typo - it's foorty-eight years old) Newark catalog lists the D-sub connectors. 73 de Jim, N2EY ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Accessory Connector
but much more than reliability is the issue of USE-ABILITY. The K3 is a field radio and under the most remote and demanding condx, anderson Powerpole and these D thingies are the first frustrations UNLESS For those who think the D and Anderson connectors are such a big problem, why not just make up a set of short cables. On one end attach the mating connectors required for the K3. On the other end, attach the connector meeting your requirement. Paul K5ESW ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Accessory Connector
At 03:59 AM 8/29/2007, Charles Harpole wrote... So called D connectors have design specifications issued by various mfg of them. Most list a limited life of 10 to 30 plug/unplug cycles. That is from the designers. You must be looking at some cheap Chinese clone. Please cite the other manufacturers who constitute most, and the total size of your sample. Cinch originated the design, and their basic model ( http://www.cinch.com/view_sub_product_line.cinch?section_id=24sub_section_id=113section_title=D-subminiature ) is rated for 500 cycles. Long time experience with these connectors in data applications shows that to be a very conservative number. I can't think of any style connector which offers a better mix of low cost, ready availability, wide choice of sizes, and reliable operation. Exactly what connector are you thinking would have been a better choice? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Accessory Connector
Cinch Jones made sense back when you needed pins to handle 10 or 15 amps of filament supply and manufacturing couldn't technically or economically produce some of the connectors we have today. It's an antiquated connector for things like audio and control lines. I always thought the Molex connector was one of the cheesiest connectors around and I would choose binding posts as a standard over these. It's more a mate-once and forget about it connector. I think the robustness of a Molex and an APP is about the same (doing the step on in test), however the genderless nature of APP puts it over the top. APP is now a standard, period. Have you used an APP? It's a piece of cake to insert a bare wire into one of these, either on the mating end or the cable end and on *any* connector since they have no gender. With a DB-9/15/25 it's easy to insert a small gauge wire into a female connector (which is what I believe is used on the K3), and arguably easier to get positive contact than you will on a slotted Jones female pin. The soldering argument against the D sub connector is a moot issue. As I mentioned earlier, cheap prefab cables are available at your local mall. Even Wally World probably has them. You can even snip the cables off of dead monitors in the dumpster at the office. It doesn't get much easier and is in the true scrounger spirit of Amateur Radio. Charles Harpole wrote: THEN, you can welcome these toy (D) or non standard (APP) connectors. What is better, altho old stuff--- Cinch Jones (or even Molex) and below that, screw terminal strips and/or binding posts. If u r stuck with only bare wire and MUST make a connection, sticking a bare wire tip into a Jones socket is DO-ABLE, or even into a Molex try that with D s and even with the APPs. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 connections
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Tom Hammond wrote: Thom: Hate to admit it...I sat on my glassesand I can't see well enough to determine from the Elecraft web page what type of connections are required ON THE REAR PANEL OF THE K3 ITSELF: Thanks so much! I magnified the pageand now I do a touchie-feelie in the cable box. Now, if the glasses show up before the K3 (g) Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] D-Connectors and DIN Connectors
and to nit-pick some of ya'll even more. What most folks, and even industry professionals call a DB-9. (typical computer connectors) are actually DE-9. DB-9 is a common misnomer for the DE-9 (a true DB-9 connector would have 9 pins in a connector the shape and size of a DB-25, the other 16 pins would just be missing). D-subminiature connectors were invented by ITT Cannon , part of ITT Corporation in 1952. Cannon's part-numbering system uses a D as the prefix for the whole series, followed by a letter denoting the shell size (A=15 pin, B=25 pin, C=37 pin, D=50 pin, E=9 pin), followed by the actual number of pins, followed by the gender (M=male, F=female). For example, DB25M denotes a D-sub with a 25-pin shell size and 25 male contacts. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 shipping end August ??
In a recent message, robert hammond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ... From the comments of those apparently in the know it appears that the K3 will not be shipping by the end of August. Whilst I appreciate the need to ensure that the first shipments are fully tested and conform to specification, and all the documentation is fully sorted, I wonder whether an official update on the website might be helpful to manage expectations ??. No, Bob, leave them to get on with it. Shipping was quoted as being targeted *from* 31 August, not *by* 31 August. 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K1 audio distortion
After enjoying using the K1 for a few months, recently the audio becomes distorted when strong signals or noise is present. Any thoughts on a fix will be appreciated. Thank you. Vern, AA7VW ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 shipping end August ??
David Pratt wrote: In a recent message, robert hammond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ... From the comments of those apparently in the know it appears that the K3 will not be shipping by the end of August. Whilst I appreciate the need to ensure that the first shipments are fully tested and conform to specification, and all the documentation is fully sorted, I wonder whether an official update on the website might be helpful to manage expectations ??. No, Bob, leave them to get on with it. Shipping was quoted as being targeted *from* 31 August, not *by* 31 August. 73 I beg you pardon, but some of us have over $1K already paid to Elecraft as advance on the K3. It does not seem unreasonable to expect a little communication since that money is already in Elecraft's coffers. -- John - W2AGN ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 shipping end August ??
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, W2AGN wrote: I beg you pardon, but some of us have over $1K already paid to Elecraft as advance on the K3. It does not seem unreasonable to expect a little communication since that money is already in Elecraft's coffers. And some folks who laid out just as much money are NOT that upset about the delay and the lack of announcements Personally, I trust the folks at Elecraft to balance timely delivery against shipping a radio that has a fuller feature set. Maybe they could ship partially optimal unit to those that object to the slippage in delivery dates. 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 shipping end August ??
On 8/29/07, Thom LaCosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And some folks who laid out just as much money are NOT that upset about the delay and the lack of announcements Good things come to those who wait, patiently! -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 - Adjusting L34 with Spectrogram
JT, Those all look good, but really do not tell us much - you have to be the judge of when the peak of the signal has the greatest difference to the noise floor. You really should crank in a bit more soundcard gain - that will allow you to see the noise floor across the entire screen rather than just in the passband. That is often helpful in making an overall judgment. 73, Don W3FPR JT Croteau wrote: It looks like I goofed in my last screen captures. Here are some new shots, one for each filter setting, of my tweaking L34 with Spectrogram. 1.5 kHz Filter: http://tinyurl.com/2rla5d 700 Hz http://tinyurl.com/2k9p7f ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX1 Power Output
Panos, Great to hear you have the KX1 working. If you have the correct number of turns on T1 and the red winding is spread over most of the core, then T1 is OK - I did not see anything wrong with it when it was here. First try spreading/compressing the turns of L2 to see if the power output on 20 increases, then if you still do not have 3 watts on 20 meters with a 12 volt (or 13.8 volt) power supply, my recommendation is to change the resistors for a little more output. The power supply voltage does make a difference in the power output available from the KX1. 73, Don W3FPR Panos wrote: Hi all KX1 sn #01859 completed and everything (except some unexpected birdies inside the band) seems Ok (receiver is fantastic IMO). Power output on 7.100 Mhz is a hair less 3W and on 14.100 Mhz is 2.1-2.2 W According to your experience out there what is best? : a. Take out the T1 transformer and try to rewind and reinstall it? b. OR change the R11 and R30 to their PowerMod values? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 Accessory Connector
Julian G4ILO wrote: I found this specification sheet http://www.erni.com/DB/PDF/TMC/ERNI-TMC-Connectors-e.pdf which suggests that these connectors are good for 200 mating cycles The RS232 connector on my K3 (S/N 1) has already had a couple of thousand mating cycles. (It gets more action than I do, for sure.) I do this for fun while waiting for code to compile. Seriously, in a couple of hundred years as a ham (well, it feels that way), I've never seen a D connector with a bad or even loose connection. That's why these things have been around since the Pleistocene. 73, Wayne N6KR --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 shipping end August ??
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, JT Croteau wrote: On 8/29/07, Thom LaCosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And some folks who laid out just as much money are NOT that upset about the delay and the lack of announcements Good things come to those who wait, patiently! I am reminded of the the phraseIt's just a hobby, just a hobby It might be interesting reading to learn what features were improved and/or added between the first announced and the actual ship date.but then there would be people who harruph over the fact that they will neve use those features. Buck Up Aptosthe K3 is a real of example of you can please some of the people some of the time, but never all of the people all of the time. 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 - Adjusting L34 with Spectrogram
On 8/29/07, Don Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You really should crank in a bit more soundcard gain - that will allow you to see the noise floor across the entire screen rather than just in the passband. That is often helpful in making an overall judgment. I'm going to experiment with a different soundcard as well. I'm currently using the 24-bit soundcard on my motherboard which is supposedly pretty good but still onboard sound and tasks the CPU more than I like. I have a SoundBlaster sitting here that may be a more capable candidate for this task. BTW, for a weak signal, this internally generated signal is very strong. I have a real hard time hearing the noise unless I crank the can down quite a bit. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] 5-pole filter data
1st production run (and later) shipments include the following options, if ordered: snip All crystal filters except the KFL3B-FM filter. How about some data on the 5-pole filters? Like 6 dB bandwidth and 6/60 dB shape factor (if full plots like the 8-pole are not available). Would also be *really nice* to see the IMD/BDR data by specific filter (both 5 and 8 poles), so we can finalize our orders. I've got a feeling all this data exists but has simply not been published. Patience is a virtue and silence is golden ...but let's not test the limits. 73, Bill W4ZV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Questions for any K3 FTs
In a message dated 8/21/07 9:58:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There was an article a while ago in Circuit Cellar magazine where the author (I think it was Steve Ciarcia himself) described the originas of his high electric bills as surprising...all those clock radios, microwave, dishwasher, TVs etc, etc. despite being 'off' still collectively drew a lot of current that addded up. I have a friend who uses power strips to turn off *everything*. He says it's the only solution these days. I call shenanigans. Or at least a need for better math. Yes, there are some devices today that continue to consume small amounts of power even when visibly turned off. This is done for three reasons: 1) Keep the settings stored in volatile memory 2) Keep a clock or other indicator working 3) Keep the remote-control receiver alive so that you can turn the unit on with the clicker. In addition, many small electronic devices are powered by wall warts rather than internal supplies so that they can be world-usable, smaller, and not have to meet the same safety requirements as something that plugs into the wall. Typical of such things are: Computers with ATX or similar power supplies Monitors Printers VCRs/DVD players TVs Microwaves Stoves Let's say you have 20 of these items, and each one draws 5 watts while idle. That's 100 watts of power demand, all the time. That's one-tenth kilowatt hour. In a year of 365 days, there are 8760 hours. With a 100 watt load, that's 876 kilowatt hours per *year* to run all the devices. This number is on the high side because it assumes you never use any of the devices at all, but simply let them be on standby the entire time. So let's assume the devices are on standby 90% of the time, and in actual use 10%. Say 800 kilowatt hours of standby. 800 kWh is a considerable amount of juice - but how much does it really cost you? Here in EPA, where electricity prices are pretty high, I pay about 13 cents per kWh, so the annual cost is $104. That's $8.67 per month for that theoretical 100 watt load. Except I don't have so many things plugged in drawing standby power, so I'd guess it to be about $6 per month. Twenty cents per day. In other parts of the country, electricity is far cheaper. At 5 cents per kWh, you're talking $40 per year or $3.33 per month. 11 cents a day What does a kilowatt-hour cost *you*? 73 de Jim, N2EY ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 40, Issue 31
Dave, I can recommend the Elecraft MH2 which is again available (see the K3 order page). As a second and less expensive alternative (but still with high quality), the TenTec 701 microphone is good. You do have to cut off the 4 pin plug that is stock on the TT mic and install an 8 pin plug, but that is no big chore. 73, Don W3FPR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Names Dave CALL G0AYD,HAVE K2 qrp version but fully loaded,any of you guys suggest a mic at present am using it on cw but would dearly like to try the quacky duck end of the band.Regards Dave.. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 shipping end August ??
Just one of many changes is that there are now 10 programable keys. Two have their on label on the front panel (hold functions of the RIT and XIT buttons) and then you can also program the M1-4 buttons as a PFx in both TAP and HOLD, that gives you 8 more PFx functions for a total of 10. When you want to use any of the M1-4 buttons for messages, you record your message in the normal way and it reverts back to that function. Another great update is when operating FSK from the CW key when not connected to a computer. Now you can use your CW messages you programmed into the M1-4 buttons and the K3 will convert them to FSK. - 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 On Wed Aug 29 10:40 , Thom LaCosta sent: On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, JT Croteau wrote: On 8/29/07, Thom LaCosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And some folks who laid out just as much money are NOT that upset about the delay and the lack of announcements Good things come to those who wait, patiently! I am reminded of the the phraseIt's just a hobby, just a hobby It might be interesting reading to learn what features were improved and/or added between the first announced and the actual ship date.but then there would be people who harruph over the fact that they will neve use those features. Buck Up Aptosthe K3 is a real of example of you can please some of the people some of the time, but never all of the people all of the time. 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Questions for any K3 FTs
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What does a kilowatt-hour cost *you*? 73 de Jim, N2EY About 25 cents (US). It's not just about saving money - energy production causes pollution, it's about saving our poor planet as well :-) Simon HB9DRV (35% hydo, 65% nuclear) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] wasted power (was Questions for any K3 FTs)
In a year of 365 days, there are 8760 hours. With a 100 watt load, that's 876 kilowatt hours per *year* to run all the devices. I think the issue for the tree-huggers is to multiply that by 100 million households in the US and you're talking about a lot of wasted power and a lot of global warming. Like the ad I heard yesterday telling you to put your cream and sugar in the cup before adding coffee in order to save on the need for disposable stir sticks, the idea is to get everyone to unplug to save the planet. Of course one new nuclear power plant would generate more than enough power to heat your coffee AND keep your TV on AND it would destroy less ozone than a coal-burning power plant, but we can't have any of that. Anyway the solution to all this is to do what Al Gore does: Just buy some carbon offsets, stick some kind of colored ribbon magnet on the back of your SUV to show you love the planet, and quit worrying about it. Craig NZ0R ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 shipping end August ??
Thom LaCosta wrote: On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, W2AGN wrote: I beg you pardon, but some of us have over $1K already paid to Elecraft as advance on the K3. It does not seem unreasonable to expect a little communication since that money is already in Elecraft's coffers. And some folks who laid out just as much money are NOT that upset about the delay and the lack of announcements Personally, I trust the folks at Elecraft to balance timely delivery against shipping a radio that has a fuller feature set. Maybe they could ship partially optimal unit to those that object to the slippage in delivery dates. 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month My complaint was not the delay but the lack of communication. Hey, Elecraft is a COMPANY, not the second coming! At least 200 people laid out a 50% payment IN ADVANCE. That would be from $1000 for a barebones modular kit to around $2000 for a loaded, built K3. So figuring an average of $1500, that $300,000 of OUR money that is in Elecraft's hands. For that, I would expect to be kept up to date on shipping. I am sorry if that offends those who worship at the Elecraft Altar, but I am not a believer in their divinity, just a customer. -- John - W2AGN ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] because my K3 has to travel
Because my K3 has to travel all the way around the world, I would rather wait more than have to try to get 2 or three separate incoming shippments. BTW, I just sold not one but TWO Yaesu Mark 5 rigs in anticipation of ONE K3 73 Charles Harpole, HS0ZCW [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 shipping end August ??
I have to agree with John -- I've plunked down my advance payment to Elecraft, and I don't think it's too much to ask to expect a brief progress report and forecast for shipping schedules. I'd rather have some commuications that need to be adjusted as time goes forward, rather than sit and wait in total silence. Advertising hype and teasing is fine, but we're all dedicated Elecraft folks here who have invested serious bucks, so it's not necessary to play this kind of game with us. Please, Elecraft, let's hear what's going on at Aptos and what we can expect for the furture Van W1WCG K2 2634, 5510, KX1 306, K3 ? ? - Original Message - From: W2AGN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thom LaCosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 shipping end August ?? Thom LaCosta wrote: On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, W2AGN wrote: I beg you pardon, but some of us have over $1K already paid to Elecraft as advance on the K3. It does not seem unreasonable to expect a little communication since that money is already in Elecraft's coffers. And some folks who laid out just as much money are NOT that upset about the delay and the lack of announcements Personally, I trust the folks at Elecraft to balance timely delivery against shipping a radio that has a fuller feature set. Maybe they could ship partially optimal unit to those that object to the slippage in delivery dates. 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month My complaint was not the delay but the lack of communication. Hey, Elecraft is a COMPANY, not the second coming! At least 200 people laid out a 50% payment IN ADVANCE. That would be from $1000 for a barebones modular kit to around $2000 for a loaded, built K3. So figuring an average of $1500, that $300,000 of OUR money that is in Elecraft's hands. For that, I would expect to be kept up to date on shipping. I am sorry if that offends those who worship at the Elecraft Altar, but I am not a believer in their divinity, just a customer. -- John - W2AGN ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] wasted power
My vote for favorite way to waste power is to design electronics and electric thing so super small that they have to have one or more fans to cool them. Think of how many fans run all the time to cool all those computers couldn't a big heat sink do the same job? But then Al Gore only made a popular movie that changed even Bush's mind about global warming. Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Messenger Café open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Questions for any K3 FTs
Yes, but you are basing this on your assumptions. Your math may be correct but, you are setting up the conditions of the problem which may or may not be accurate. The word collectively was used. So, let's say your assumptions are correct. Multiply that by millions of households. That seems to be quite a bit to me. I don't really enjoy just giving my money to the local utilities. I'd rather spend $104 on ham radio toys. ;-) Gary, N7HTS On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:48:08 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/21/07 9:58:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There was an article a while ago in Circuit Cellar magazine where the author (I think it was Steve Ciarcia himself) described the originas of his high electric bills as surprising...all those clock radios, microwave, dishwasher, TVs etc, etc. despite being 'off' still collectively drew a lot of current that addded up. I have a friend who uses power strips to turn off *everything*. He says it's the only solution these days. I call shenanigans. Or at least a need for better math. Yes, there are some devices today that continue to consume small amounts of power even when visibly turned off. This is done for three reasons: 1) Keep the settings stored in volatile memory 2) Keep a clock or other indicator working 3) Keep the remote-control receiver alive so that you can turn the unit on with the clicker. In addition, many small electronic devices are powered by wall warts rather than internal supplies so that they can be world-usable, smaller, and not have to meet the same safety requirements as something that plugs into the wall. Typical of such things are: Computers with ATX or similar power supplies Monitors Printers VCRs/DVD players TVs Microwaves Stoves Let's say you have 20 of these items, and each one draws 5 watts while idle. That's 100 watts of power demand, all the time. That's one-tenth kilowatt hour. In a year of 365 days, there are 8760 hours. With a 100 watt load, that's 876 kilowatt hours per *year* to run all the devices. This number is on the high side because it assumes you never use any of the devices at all, but simply let them be on standby the entire time. So let's assume the devices are on standby 90% of the time, and in actual use 10%. Say 800 kilowatt hours of standby. 800 kWh is a considerable amount of juice - but how much does it really cost you? Here in EPA, where electricity prices are pretty high, I pay about 13 cents per kWh, so the annual cost is $104. That's $8.67 per month for that theoretical 100 watt load. Except I don't have so many things plugged in drawing standby power, so I'd guess it to be about $6 per month. Twenty cents per day. In other parts of the country, electricity is far cheaper. At 5 cents per kWh, you're talking $40 per year or $3.33 per month. 11 cents a day What does a kilowatt-hour cost *you*? 73 de Jim, N2EY ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K1 audio distortion
Vern wrote: After enjoying using the K1 for a few months, recently the audio becomes distorted when strong signals or noise is present. Have you tried listening to the audio with a headset, rather than with the internal speaker? Whenever I've had a similar problem with my K1, the headset audio was perfectly clear. Since the audio to the headset jack and to the speaker comes from the same point, the problem was obviously the speaker. This was a fairly widely reported problem with Elecraft speakers several years ago. By adjusting the tension of the speaker mounting screws (so that they are not too tight) the raspy distortion vanished. As I recall, I also had to flex the speaker magnet mounting frame slightly too. Mike / KK5F ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Questions for any K3 FTs
Yep, that's about what it costs here in the UK as well. I'm not convinced that climate change is being caused by people leaving their TV on stand-by or their ham-shack power supply on, and even if it is, switching it off is going to make no difference given the increasing industrialization of India, China and other developing countries. But fifty quid a year of my money is worth saving. What would it cost for manufacturers to use non-volatile memory, and include a battery in the VCR to keep the clock going? That won't solve the problem of keeping the batteries in the K2 and FT-817 charged up, though. I guess a solar panel would do that, but it's an expensive option to save a small amount of electricity (just like the home wind turbine I saw in a local DIY store last weekend - $2,500 equivalent for something that will generate 1KW max, in a gale, and more like 40W in a light breeze.) When the greener option is cheaper, and taking a train costs less than using the car, I'll start believing that this global warming thing isn't just an excuse for businesses to make more money and governments to increase taxes. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 8/29/07, Simon Brown (HB9DRV) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About 25 cents (US). It's not just about saving money - energy production causes pollution, it's about saving our poor planet as well :-) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Ten Minute Timer
Is it be possible for the K3 FIRMWARE to provide a 10 minute timer function using the Real Time Clock? Ron Durie [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.durie.com/DurieElectroncs.htm ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Reference Oscillator
What is the operating frequency of the K3 TCXO reference oscillator? Ron Durie [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.duries.com/DurieElectronics.htm ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 Ten Minute Timer
Good idea, Ron, and already on the Future Features list. W On Aug 29, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Ron Durie wrote: Is it be possible for the K3 FIRMWARE to provide a 10 minute timer function using the Real Time Clock? --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 Reference Oscillator
49.380 MHz. All signal sources are phase-locked to the refernce. Fine adjustment occurs in firmware, and once calibrated, it's accurate to about 1 Hz through 6 meters at the calibration temperature. The high-stability option is at the same frequency, with firmware correction to better than 0.5 ppm. 73, Wayne N6KR On Aug 29, 2007, at 8:51 AM, Ron Durie wrote: What is the operating frequency of the K3 TCXO reference oscillator? --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Reference Oscillator
Wayne, given that 49.380 isn't a readily available calibration freq like, say, WWV, how does a ham in the field check or set it if needed? 73, Bob N6WG - Original Message - From: wayne burdick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ron Durie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Reference Oscillator 49.380 MHz. All signal sources are phase-locked to the refernce. Fine adjustment occurs in firmware, and once calibrated, it's accurate to about 1 Hz through 6 meters at the calibration temperature. The high-stability option is at the same frequency, with firmware correction to better than 0.5 ppm. 73, Wayne N6KR On Aug 29, 2007, at 8:51 AM, Ron Durie wrote: What is the operating frequency of the K3 TCXO reference oscillator? --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 Reference Oscillator
Hi Bob, You can tune in a reference signal of your choice and adjust the REF CAL menu entry in real-time. You can even turn SPOT on while in the menu entry, then tune for zero beat. Works very well. 73, Wayne N6KR On Aug 29, 2007, at 9:04 AM, Robert Tellefsen wrote: Wayne, given that 49.380 isn't a readily available calibration freq like, say, WWV, how does a ham in the field check or set it if needed? 73, Bob N6WG --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Ten Minute Timer
Could we have an option for 4 minutes as well? I prefer my eggs soft boiled. :) -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com On 8/29/07, wayne burdick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good idea, Ron, and already on the Future Features list. W ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Ten Minute Timer
In a recent message, Ron Durie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ... Is it be possible for the K3 FIRMWARE to provide a 10 minute timer function using the Real Time Clock? What is the significance of ten minutes, Ron? Surely it doesn't take that long to boil an egg ;-) 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Ten Minute Timer
On 8/29/07, David Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the significance of ten minutes, Ron? Surely it doesn't take that long to boil an egg ;-) One must ID every ten minutes so this is likely the case. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] TS870
Not sure its just the finals that are responsible, but maybe the analog discrete low gain stuff in the rest of the radio? I do notice some of the modern radios have a class A setting for the output stages, to clean things up? At $12,000.00 I am not going to get one and find out... Brett N2DTS As far as amateur communications go I think the quality of the transmitted audio makes more difference than the quality of the receiver. Some of the cleanest sounding SSB I have ever heard came from the Kenwood TS-520 / TS-820 / TS-830 transceivers with their tube finals. Then solid state PAs came along. I doubt if even the K3 output stages will have better linearity and IMD than a pair of 6146Bs in push-pull, but Elecraft is always capable of surprising us. ;) -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Directory: www.ham-directory.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Reference Oscillator
At 11:59 AM 8/29/2007, wayne burdick wrote... 49.380 MHz. All signal sources are phase-locked to the refernce. Fine adjustment occurs in firmware, and once calibrated, it's accurate to about 1 Hz through 6 meters at the calibration temperature. The high-stability option is at the same frequency, with firmware correction to better than 0.5 ppm. 49,380,000 * 0.005 ppm = 24.69 Hz, and actually worse on 6 meters, since it's a higher frequency. In any case, it's considerably worse that the 1 Hz stated for the standard reference. Is that ppm/degree C, over some temperature range, or ? Is the tempco specified for the standard reference? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Ten Minute Timer
That's the amount of time from the first post for a connector holy war or shipping schedule discussion to break out on the reflector :-) David Pratt wrote: In a recent message, Ron Durie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ... Is it be possible for the K3 FIRMWARE to provide a 10 minute timer function using the Real Time Clock? What is the significance of ten minutes, Ron? Surely it doesn't take that long to boil an egg ;-) 73 -- Blog: http://thek3ngreport.blogspot.com/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Reference Oscillator
Bob: REALLY SIMPLE! Go to CW mode, go to the highest WWV freq. you can hear, turn SPOT on and then crank on the REF CAL menu value until you hear dead zero beat. Tom At 11:04 08/29/2007, you wrote: Wayne, given that 49.380 isn't a readily available calibration freq like, say, WWV, how does a ham in the field check or set it if needed? 73, Bob N6WG - Original Message - From: wayne burdick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ron Durie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Reference Oscillator 49.380 MHz. All signal sources are phase-locked to the refernce. Fine adjustment occurs in firmware, and once calibrated, it's accurate to about 1 Hz through 6 meters at the calibration temperature. The high-stability option is at the same frequency, with firmware correction to better than 0.5 ppm. 73, Wayne N6KR On Aug 29, 2007, at 8:51 AM, Ron Durie wrote: What is the operating frequency of the K3 TCXO reference oscillator? --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 shipping end August ??
(snip)..I would expect to be kept up to date on shipping. I am sorry if that offends those who worship at the Elecraft Altar, but I am not a believer in their divinity, just a customer. John - W2AGN Hear Hear! All I know is that the Elecraft MoJo would take a serious hit from any last minute announcement this late in the game. Late surprises in scheduling always indicate lack of awareness and control and tend to destroy confidence among customers. There is never any excuse for it ... and that is why you always see responsible companies announce delays well ahead of an impending miss in schedule. Yes, it sometimes happens even to the best companies, but they are the ones to acknowledge and explain the problem early. That is why, with only 3 days to go before at least one K3 ships I am pretty confident that there will be no further significant delays announced for the K3. Don K7FJ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Ships on Friday?
I would think since nothing has been updated that the K3 will indeed start shipping on Friday. It is only 2 days away and they know by now if it's a go or not! I don't have one on orderI just want to see the manuals. They should be available for download when the unit ships! Michael N2ZDB Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 Accessory Connector
Or a lead with identical connectors that you can replace whe the 'free' end wears out On 29/8/07 17:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Anyone who needs to make more disconnections than that should make a short flying lead with a more robust connector on the end of it. -- The bamboo that bends is stronger than the oak that resists. -Japanese proverb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Accessory Connector
The JA folks who gave us DIN connectors This made me chuckle. DIN stands for Deutsche Industrie Norm ... it was the DL folks who created them :-) The original 3- and 5-pin connectors have been used on audio gear since the 50s, and have *always* been a nuisance to solder :-) The D series of connectors started as an alternative to the large round amphenol series. I first saw them on gear that was built in the 60s for the avionics/aerospace industry - in particular, on the guidance computer for the Minuteman I series of missiles. Yes, you need some special tooling to do them right. At least, today, you can get solder cup versions instead of having to crimp every pin. If you've built a K2, you have the tools and skills to make these connectors work. I don't have a problem with this choice. If you don't have the tooling to make up a pigtail to your connector family of choice, I'm sure you can find someone on this list who will. 73 de chris K6DBG ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 Reference Oscillator
Mike, Maybe I wasn't clear on this. I said it was accurate to 1 Hz ... at the calibration temperature. That says nothing about what happens as the temperature *changes*. +/- 0.5 ppm (or +/- 1 PPM) is the most common high-stability reference option available for ham transceivers, K3 included. (And yes, this applies to the entire temperature range, not per degree C.) The K3 has an advantage over most transceivers in this regard. The REF CAL menu entry can be used to enter frequency-vs.-temp data that's supplied with each individual 1 PPM oscillator. This data is used in conjunction with an accurate temperature sensor to fine-tune the reference in 0.2-Hz steps as the temperature changes. So we're actually expecting something like +/- 0.2 ppm over temperature. But we're specifying it conservatively. 73, Wayne N6KR On Aug 29, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Mike S wrote: At 11:59 AM 8/29/2007, wayne burdick wrote... 49.380 MHz. All signal sources are phase-locked to the refernce. Fine adjustment occurs in firmware, and once calibrated, it's accurate to about 1 Hz through 6 meters at the calibration temperature. The high-stability option is at the same frequency, with firmware correction to better than 0.5 ppm. 49,380,000 * 0.005 ppm = 24.69 Hz, and actually worse on 6 meters, since it's a higher frequency. In any case, it's considerably worse that the 1 Hz stated for the standard reference. Is that ppm/degree C, over some temperature range, or ? Is the tempco specified for the standard reference? --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Reference Oscillator
0.5 parts per million stability is the same specification as most HF/VHF rigs fitted with an optional TCXO. That equates to an error of +/- 25 Hz at 50 MHz. Higher stability can always be obtained at higher cost with an oven controlled oscillator. There is always the option of an external reference oscillator for those who aren't happy with a TCXO. I have a rubidium standard in the shack that was 1 part in 10^11 high in frequency a couple of days ago, relative to a GPS controlled standard alongside it... Yet I still have a KTCXO3-1 on order for my K3 - and will be quite satisfied with 0.5 ppm. A resolution to 1 Hz doesn't mean the K3 is capable of being set to an accuracy of 1 Hz at 50 MHz. 73 Dave, G4AON ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 40, Issue 34
Is RCA what I might know as a 'phono' socket? On 29/8/07 17:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: PTT IN RCA Female Jack -- When one tugs at a single thing in nature, he finds it attached to the rest of the world. -John Muir, naturalist, explorer, and writer (1838-1914) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 shipping end August ??
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, W2AGN wrote: money that is in Elecraft's hands. For that, I would expect to be kept up to date on shipping. I am sorry if that offends those who worship at the Elecraft Altar, but I am not a believer in their divinity, just a customer. You have such a way with words Johnit;s always amuzing to watch you turn discussions into personal name-calling. I don't worship at Elecraft's Altar...I am just willing to trade time for a finished product that has more than I expected at the outsetbut then again, by doing that I give up my right to whine and stir bovine output. Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 40, Issue 34
On 8/29/07, David Ferrington, M0XDF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is RCA what I might know as a 'phono' socket? Yes. The word phono is an abbreviation of the word phonograph, because this connector was originally created to allow the connection of a phonograph turntable to a radio receiver, utilizing the radio as an amplifier. This setup was present in most radios manufactured in the 1930s onward by the Radio Corporation of America (RCA). -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Questions for any K3 FTs
In a message dated 8/29/07 11:40:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, but you are basing this on your assumptions. Your math may be correct but, you are setting up the conditions of the problem which may or may not be accurate. I think my assumptions are pretty accurate. If anything, they err on the high side. Here they are in a nutshell: Typical power requirement of a device on standby: 5 W Typical number of such devices in a household: 20 Typical duty cycle of such devices: 760 hours per year of use, 8000 hours standby. The rest is calculation. How much does a kilowatt hour of electricity cost? 13 cents here in EPA. 25 cents in HB9. How much do *you* pay? The word collectively was used. Not by me. So, let's say your assumptions are correct. Multiply that by millions of households. That seems to be quite a bit to me. Of course. But consider it as a percentage of your total use. I don't really enjoy just giving my money to the local utilities. I'd rather spend $104 on ham radio toys. ;-) Me too. 73 de Jim, N2EY ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Ten Minute Timer
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Goody K3NG wrote: That's the amount of time from the first post for a connector holy war or shipping schedule discussion to break out on the reflector :-) The plus point of the side-bar wars is that no one has had the time to criticize the K3 because it does SSB, or was that CW, or other datamodes? Why, it does them all...shame on it...it gores all the oxen! Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] The Drums!
The drums, I hear the drums! The natives are getting restless. Doug W6JD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 40, Issue 34
And I, like a number of folks, took advantage of the exchange rate and paid the whole lot up front. I'm ok waiting- sure I'd like my K3, but I'm busy with family and holidays etc, so I'm ok waiting. Ok, so now the rate is 3 cents better than it was and I'm about £30 down - but it could have gone the other way On 29/8/07 17:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Message: 26 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:14:29 -0400 From: JT Croteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 shipping end August ?? To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 8/29/07, Thom LaCosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And some folks who laid out just as much money are NOT that upset about the delay and the lack of announcements Good things come to those who wait, patiently! -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH -- He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a fool forever. -Chinese proverb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 shipping end August ??
Thom LaCosta wrote: On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, W2AGN wrote: money that is in Elecraft's hands. For that, I would expect to be kept up to date on shipping. I am sorry if that offends those who worship at the Elecraft Altar, but I am not a believer in their divinity, just a customer. You have such a way with words Johnit;s always amuzing to watch you turn discussions into personal name-calling. Personal name calling? I fail to see any personal reference in my comment, other than that that may be taken by someone. In other words, If the shoe fits I don't worship at Elecraft's Altar...I am just willing to trade time for a finished product that has more than I expected at the outsetbut then again, by doing that I give up my right to whine and stir bovine output. Oh, that's OK, Thom, you always find some way to expel the bovine output. (Now THAT was a personal comment!) -- John - W2AGN ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] It's fun watching you guys!
I haven't ordered a K3 yet because, I know I would be too anxious waiting for it to be shipped. It has been fun watching the rest of you guys white knuckle it as the day gets closer ;-) It's kind of like driving home and suddenly having to go to the bathroom. Ever notice that the closer you get to home, the worse it gets? I just hope you guys make it. Hi! Hi! Gary, N7HTS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 Reference Oscillator
At 12:48 PM 8/29/2007, wayne burdick wrote... Maybe I wasn't clear on this. I said it was accurate to 1 Hz ... at the calibration temperature. That says nothing about what happens as the temperature *changes*. [high stability] +/- 0.5 ppm ... applies to the entire temperature range, not per degree C. The REF CAL menu entry can be used to enter frequency-vs.-temp data that's supplied with each individual 1 PPM oscillator. This data is used in conjunction with an accurate temperature sensor to fine-tune the reference in 0.2-Hz steps as the temperature changes. Can the high stability reference also be calibrated at temperature to achieve 1 Hz, like the standard reference, or must one trust the calibration table which provides 0.2-0.5 ppm (10-25 Hz) accuracy? If calibrated at temperature, does the delta then offset other table entries (which might be used to accommodate crystal aging, for example), or are individual table entries calibrated? Can a calibration table be used with the standard reference? I can see some applications where 1 Hz, but you have to calibrate if the temp changes is better than 10-25 Hz, but you never touch it. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] The Drums!
The peasants are revolting! Simon Brown, HB9DRV - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The drums, I hear the drums! The natives are getting restless. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Reference Oscillator
I've often wondered what the purpose of optional high stability reference oscillators in HF rigs is. A couple hertz between friends on CW, SSB, or AM isn't noticeable. Even PSK can handle slow drift quite well. Is there some other mystery mode or application that requires the rubidium oscillator-like stability people seem to spend money on and crave? (Folks using transverters on microwave bands??) -- Blog: http://thek3ngreport.blogspot.com/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] The Drums!
The noise from the impatient few drowns out the silence from the patient majority. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Simon Brown (HB9DRV) Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Drums! The peasants are revolting! Simon Brown, HB9DRV - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The drums, I hear the drums! The natives are getting restless. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] The Drums!
Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote: The peasants are revolting! Simon Brown, HB9DRV Some more revolting than others. ;-) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 shipping end August ??
Enough with the flame war already! 73, - Rob W7GH On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:24:28 -0700, W2AGN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thom LaCosta wrote: On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, W2AGN wrote: money that is in Elecraft's hands. For that, I would expect to be kept up to date on shipping. I am sorry if that offends those who worship at the Elecraft Altar, but I am not a believer in their divinity, just a customer. You have such a way with words Johnit;s always amuzing to watch you turn discussions into personal name-calling. Personal name calling? I fail to see any personal reference in my comment, other than that that may be taken by someone. In other words, If the shoe fits I don't worship at Elecraft's Altar...I am just willing to trade time for a finished product that has more than I expected at the outsetbut then again, by doing that I give up my right to whine and stir bovine output. Oh, that's OK, Thom, you always find some way to expel the bovine output. (Now THAT was a personal comment!) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: K3 Reference Oscillator
On Aug 29, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Mike S wrote: At 12:48 PM 8/29/2007, wayne burdick wrote... Maybe I wasn't clear on this. I said it was accurate to 1 Hz ... at the calibration temperature. That says nothing about what happens as the temperature *changes*. +/- 0.5 ppm (or +/- 1 PPM) is the most common high-stability reference option available for ham transceivers, K3 included. (And yes, this applies to the entire temperature range, not per degree C.) The K3 has an advantage over most transceivers in this regard. The REF CAL menu entry can be used to enter frequency-vs.-temp data that's supplied with each individual 1 PPM oscillator. This data is used in conjunction with an accurate temperature sensor to fine-tune the reference in 0.2-Hz steps as the temperature changes. So we're actually expecting something like +/- 0.2 ppm over temperature. But we're specifying it conservatively. I assume then that the high-stability option can also be calibrated to achieve 1 Hz through 6 meters at the calibration temperature, too (that was not stated)? You can achieve 1-Hz accuracy at the calibration temperature with either the standard or high-stability TCXO. The REF CAL menu entry can also be used to enter Freq-vs.-Temp data with either one, but this data is only provided for the high-stability unit. One could enter data for the standard oscillator, too, but you'd have to determine what data to enter by manually calibrating to a reference signal at each temperature point (5 degree increments). So you could set the high-temp CAL points on hot days and the low-temp CAL points on cold days. I'm not sure what overall temperature stability you could achieve using this method with the standard unit, but we'll be trying it at some point. Meanwhile, if you really want the best stability over temperature, I'd recommend the high-stability unit plus entering the data as supplied. Can the standard reference use a calibration table, so it might become more accurate as it is hand calibrated at different temperatures? Exactly -- see above. The manual will describe how to do this. 73, Wayne N6KR --- http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Non-Standard RS232 Interface?
The RS-232 connector on the K3 will be the opposite sex of Kenwood Yaesu, which use a male DB9 connector on the radio. I don't know what sex TenTec uses. Comments? Phil - AD5X ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Reference Oscillator
Mike, I believe you are mixing parameters. The K3 can be set to within 1 Hz, but the 0.5 ppm number applies the drift with temperature changes, and that is something quite different than accuracy. 73, Don W3FPR Mike S wrote: Can the high stability reference also be calibrated at temperature to achieve 1 Hz, like the standard reference, or must one trust the calibration table which provides 0.2-0.5 ppm (10-25 Hz) accuracy? If calibrated at temperature, does the delta then offset other table entries (which might be used to accommodate crystal aging, for example), or are individual table entries calibrated? Can a calibration table be used with the standard reference? I can see some applications where 1 Hz, but you have to calibrate if the temp changes is better than 10-25 Hz, but you never touch it. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Non-Standard RS232 Interface?
The RS-232 connector on the K3 will be the opposite sex of Kenwood Yaesu, which use a male DB9 connector on the radio. I don't know what sex TenTec uses. Comments? The RS232 connector on the K3 rear panel has nine pins inside its shell. The mating connector that plugs into it has nine corresponding sockets inside its shell. Depending on whether you base the connector gender on the pins/sockets or the shell geometry that contains them, you might call the same connector either male or female. That's why some engineers prefer to use pins and sockets terminology rather than gender. In any case, the RS232 DE-9P connector on the K3 has nine pins inside its shell, which is the same as other radios. The Accessory DE-15S connector on the K3 has fifteen sockets inside its shell. 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Non-Standard RS232 Interface?
The RS-232 connector on the K3 will be the opposite sex of Kenwood Yaesu, which use a male DB9 connector on the radio. A male connector on the device implies wiring as Data Terminal Equipment (DTE) such as the serial port on a PC. A female connector on the device implies wiring as Data Communications Equipment (DCE) such as a telephone modem (remember those? :-) In general, if the sex of the connectors of the two devices you are interconnecting is the same, a null modem cable (swaps various pin pairs) is implied. If the sex is opposite, a straight-through cable is implied. The K3 uses a standard, straight-through, male-to-female cable. Its DE-9 connector is wired as DCE. 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Non-Standard RS232 Interface?
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Phil Debbie Salas wrote: The RS-232 connector on the K3 will be the opposite sex of Kenwood Yaesu, which use a male DB9 connector on the radio. I always figured that the female connector was on the chasisBut I'm hard pressed to see how it makes much differenceunless of course one wants to have one cable to fit all radios. As there is a thriving bnc to bannana post adapter market, I guess we can look forward to official QRP sex change adapters on EBAY. Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3 shipping end August ??
I just returned from the Japan Ham Fair and I see the natives are restless. :-) I'll be posting a K3 status update later today. (I'm reviewing all of our internal and vendor status right now.) Please - No more arguments on the list debating each other on what is, or is not, appropriate to post. This type of discussion is outside of our list guidelines and only serves to increase the general noise level for everyone. Please keep discussions civil and drop any personal or general criticisms of each other. Feel free to send complaints to me as moderator. We certainly aren't divine :-) But we -are- working overtime to get you the highest quality radio in the shortest time possible. We're taking a lot more criticism from our families for 7 day weeks and shortened / canceled vacations than we receive here. ;-) 73, Eric WA6HHQ --- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] The Drums!
The peasants are revolting! Might be a good idea to wash them. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] It's fun watching you guys!
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Gary D Krause wrote: I haven't ordered a K3 yet because, I know I would be too anxious waiting for it to be shipped. It has been fun watching the rest of you guys white knuckle it as the day gets closer ;-) It's kind of like driving home and suddenly having to go to the bathroom. Ever notice that the closer you get to home, the worse it gets? I just hope you guys make it. Hi! Hi! It might be wise for those worried about the ship date to carry an extra change of clothes with them. The true paranoic plans trips based on the easy access to a bathroom from the road. I heard that Elecraft was shipping underwear as order confirmations to certain members of the the list. Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Non-Standard RS232 Interface?
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Lyle Johnson wrote: The K3 uses a standard, straight-through, male-to-female cable. Its DE-9 connector is wired as DCE. Now wait a secstandard or notI am looking at the business end of the usb to serial do dad I haveI see a bunch of pins inside the shell...So I think the whatcha-call-it that plugs into that is a female endso, If I got that part rightwhat do I really need on the end that plugs into the the K3, a whatca-call-it with pins, or a whatcha-callit with places for pins to stick in to? 73 - k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] The Drums!
The drums, I hear the drums! The natives are getting restless. I fear their end was cruel. Listen! We cannot get out. We cannot get out. They have taken the Bridge and second hall. Frár and Lóni and Náli fell there. Then there are four lines smeared so that I can only read went five days ago. The last lines run the pool is up to the wall at Westgate. The Watcher in the Water took Óin. We cannot get out. The end comes, and then drums, drums in the deep. I wonder what that means. The last thing written is a trailing scrawl of elf-letters: they are coming. There is nothing more. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Non-Standard RS232 Interface?
A male connector on the device implies wiring as Data Terminal Equipment (DTE) such as the serial port on a PC. A female connector on the device implies wiring as Data Communications Equipment (DCE) such as a telephone modem (remember those? :-) In general, if the sex of the connectors of the two devices you are interconnecting is the same, a null modem cable (swaps various pin pairs) is implied. If the sex is opposite, a straight-through cable is implied. The K3 uses a standard, straight-through, male-to-female cable. Its DE-9 connector is wired as DCE. 73, Lyle KK7P The RS232 connector on the K3 rear panel has nine pins inside its shell. The mating connector that plugs into it has nine corresponding sockets inside its shell. Depending on whether you base the connector gender on the pins/sockets or the shell geometry that contains them, you might call the same connector either male or female. That's why some engineers prefer to use pins and sockets terminology rather than gender. In any case, the RS232 DE-9P connector on the K3 has nine pins inside its shell, which is the same as other radios. The Accessory DE-15S connector on the K3 has fifteen sockets inside its shell. 73,Ed - W0YK I think these two statements say the opposite - so I'm still confused. Per Ed, the connector on the K3 is a DE-9P (same as Kenwood Yaesu). I think that Lyle is saying it is a DE-9S. Phil - AD5X ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
SV: [Elecraft] It's fun watching you guys!
I like your sense of humour Gary! :) I've been cool about delivery since I pre-ordered, but as you say... the closer to home, the more urgent the need becomes. I find myself checking the reflector several times per day now! :) 73 de Björn /SM0MDG -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Gary D Krause Skickat: den 29 augusti 2007 19:30 Till: Elecraft Ämne: [Elecraft] It's fun watching you guys! I haven't ordered a K3 yet because, I know I would be too anxious waiting for it to be shipped. It has been fun watching the rest of you guys white knuckle it as the day gets closer ;-) It's kind of like driving home and suddenly having to go to the bathroom. Ever notice that the closer you get to home, the worse it gets? I just hope you guys make it. Hi! Hi! Gary, N7HTS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Non-Standard RS232 Interface? [CORRECTION]
I apologize for an error in my recent posting below. The RS232 connector on the K3 has nine SOCKETS inside its shell, not PINS as I originally mis-typed. 73, Ed - W0YK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Muns Sent: Wednesday, 29 August, 2007 11:09 To: 'Phil Debbie Salas' Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Non-Standard RS232 Interface? The RS-232 connector on the K3 will be the opposite sex of Kenwood Yaesu, which use a male DB9 connector on the radio. I don't know what sex TenTec uses. Comments? The RS232 connector on the K3 rear panel has nine pins inside its shell. The mating connector that plugs into it has nine corresponding sockets inside its shell. Depending on whether you base the connector gender on the pins/sockets or the shell geometry that contains them, you might call the same connector either male or female. That's why some engineers prefer to use pins and sockets terminology rather than gender. In any case, the RS232 DE-9P connector on the K3 has nine pins inside its shell, which is the same as other radios. The Accessory DE-15S connector on the K3 has fifteen sockets inside its shell. 73, Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Non-Standard RS232 Interface?
On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 01:26:57PM -0500, Phil Debbie Salas wrote: I think these two statements say the opposite - so I'm still confused. Per Ed, the connector on the K3 is a DE-9P (same as Kenwood Yaesu). I think that Lyle is saying it is a DE-9S. I can solve this thusly: The same cable that works on my K2 works on my K3. Therefore - it would appear that Elecraft followed the K2 convention. Same power connector works too. However, the antenna connector and key jack ARE different. Hope that helps. Tree ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Ten Minute Timer
In a recent message, JT Croteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ... On 8/29/07, David Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the significance of ten minutes, Ron? Surely it doesn't take that long to boil an egg ;-) One must ID every ten minutes so this is likely the case. Ah, but it's every 15 minutes in the UK. Maybe this is what Eric/Wayne meant when they said that each K3 would be configured for the country it was being sent to. 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: RCA connector
Thank you and thanks to everyone who came back. Rob Locher came back with a good link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_connector On 29/8/07 19:58, K9ZTV [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Right you are. K9ZTV David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: Is RCA what I might know as a 'phono' socket? -- A bit of fragrance always clings to the hand that gives the rose. -Chinese proverb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Ten Minute Timer
Can the K3 tune in various time signals on HF, look at the delays from each, triangulate, determine what country you're in, and then automagically set the ID timer accordingly? ducking :-) 72 Goody K3NG David Pratt wrote: In a recent message, JT Croteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ... On 8/29/07, David Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the significance of ten minutes, Ron? Surely it doesn't take that long to boil an egg ;-) One must ID every ten minutes so this is likely the case. Ah, but it's every 15 minutes in the UK. Maybe this is what Eric/Wayne meant when they said that each K3 would be configured for the country it was being sent to. 73 -- Blog: http://thek3ngreport.blogspot.com/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] KAT2 Question
At Don and others, when reading the manual it instructs you to install R3, R4 and R5 but not to confuse R5 with R6, is R6 supposed to be installed in this step as well, browsing through the manual i cannoth find any other direction to install R6. Thanks, Matt KD8DAO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] The Drums!
Which reminds me, I've been meaning to ask if the K3 will have a smoke-signal mode. After all you have all that smoke locked up in those itty-teeny eletronic thingies 8) -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The drums, I hear the drums! The natives are getting restless. Doug W6JD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Non-Standard RS232 Interface?
Maybe I described it incorrectly at least that's what my good friend Ed, W0YK tells me. Both the 9-pin and the 15-pin connectors ON the back of the K3 will ACCEPT a mating plug which contains the PINS. The socket on the K3 has the holes, the plug, the pins. I'll leave it up to everyone to determine which is male and which is female. I thought (with three kids) I already knew, but I'm now having my doubts... If I could post it here (no attachments permitted), I'd attach an image of the connectors, but I will be tickled to SEND the image to anyone who asks. If you have any questions, visit the following link to Mouser Electronics: http://www.mouser.com/catalog/631/1079.pdf On this page, all along the right column, you will see numerous illustrations of MALE vs FEMALE data connectors... draw your own conclusion. 73, Tom At 12:43 08/29/2007, Phil Debbie Salas wrote: The RS-232 connector on the K3 will be the opposite sex of Kenwood Yaesu, which use a male DB9 connector on the radio. I don't know what sex TenTec uses. Comments? Phil - AD5X ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
