Re: [Elecraft] Dangerous Low Voltage (WAS: Power pole for K3?)
Hi Bob, With mains / battery disconnected, this one uses a Ground Stick as well after being bitten hard by a supposedly discharged capacitor too many years ago! 73, Geoff GM4ESD Robert Tellefsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Saturday, April 19, 2008 10:39 PM Hi Ron I've noticed a lot of us OFs still have the reflex of putting one hand behind us when the other goes inside a piece of equipment. Lot of us learned it the hard way. :-) 73, Bob N6WG ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 SN 711 has arrived.
Factory built K3/10 serial number 711 is here. Ordered 9/27/07 Confirmed 3/27 (6 mos after order) Shipped 4/11 (2 weeks after confirm) Delivered 4/18 (1 week after order) It sure is a sweet rig! SN ends in 11 just like my K2 does. - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - - K3 711 - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 - NR performance vs SGC ADSP2...still no comparison
Unfortunately, my K3 NR and NB are poor second performers compared to one standard, the SGC ADSP2. I've made my concerns to Lyle and Wayne and hope improvement will be placed high on the to-do list using the ADSP2 as a standard. I think the difference in performance may be due to the use of quite different noise reduction algorithms. SGC are using what they call Spectral Noise Subtraction (SNS™). I haven't found any more info on that, but it may be a variant of the method published by Berouti, Schwartz, Makhoul, “Enhancement of speech corrupted by acoustic noise”. Proc. IEEE In. Conf. on Acoustic, Speech, and Signal Processing, 1979. The K2 and K3 use a variant of an adaptive filter, I think it is a Normalized Least Mean Square (nLMS) filter with a leakage coefficient. The spectral subtraction method often requires more computer power than LMS-methods. For more details, I am sure Lyle KK7P can elaborate. 73 Sverre LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 Modifications http://www.qslnet.de/member/la3za/K2/mod.html ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] OT - Looking for a small quantity of RG-316 (Teflon RG-174) coax
Just figgered I might as well ask here first. I'm possibly going to need a small quantity (20' or less) of RG-316, Teflon coax. RG-316 is just barely larger diameter (0.110) than RG-174 (0.100 o.d.), but will handle higher power and given that it has Teflon insulation, it can be used in high-temperature environments. If you have any RG-316 you might be willing to part with, please drop me an OFF-REFLECTOR e-mail. This is for a project to offer a QSK conversion for owners of ETO Alpha 76P/PA amplifiers of the late 70's and early 80's, many of which still are in use today. Please DO NOT reply on the reflector. 73, Tom N0SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Dog training
K2 or K3 but not K9 please 73 Nick g3RWF ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] OK what contest is on now ?
I hear folks calling CQ Test but no idea what test their working. SO, what test is it and what is the exchange OO JerryN0JRN ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Dangerous Low Voltage
I insist on putting a fuse on each battery terminal, preferably fixed right to the terminal. The additional voltage drop is worth the peace of mind. Car radio shops have big chunky ones at modest prices. David G3UNA ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 and WIN-EQF
Anybody using WIN-EQF for logging/rig control with the K3? If so what .rig file are you using? I see a K2.rig file and a Kenwood.rig file. de Brian/K3KO -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3-and-WIN-EQF-tp16795641p16795641.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 issue with Monitor VOX
I don't know if these are related or not, but #1 when using the monitor function I hear my own voice ON frequency, but I also hear an OFF frequency copy of my signal...like it's about 1 or 2 khz away. I have tried it with and without phones and with two different microphones (MD2 Elecraft Pro Headset). If I give a whistle in to the mic I hear it off frequency. The higher I whistle, the lower the whistle from the monitor audio, and of course the lower I whistle the higher it is in frequency from the monitor audio. It's disconcerting to say the least and leads me to believe there is something not right. #2, I cannot get the VOX to work. With the VOX gain set as low as 1 or 2, any amount of mic gain causes it to go in to transmit and will not unkey until I turn the mic gain down completely (3 or so). I can turn the mic gain completely down, as well as the compression, put it in VOX mode, turn the mic gain up to 2 or 3 and it keys right away. this is with the VOX gain set at about 2 or 3 as well. I pulled the front panel off and checked for bent pins, as Gary suggested. Did not find anything wrong. Anyone have any idea?? Stan W5EWA Houston, TX David Cutter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I insist on putting a fuse on each battery terminal, preferably fixed right to the terminal. The additional voltage drop is worth the peace of mind. Car radio shops have big chunky ones at modest prices. David G3UNA ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] OT: contesting Rosetta stone
Contests this week - includes links to the rules and where to submit logs http://www.hornucopia.com/contestcal/weeklycont.php Contests by the month for 13 months (no links) http://www.hornucopia.com/contestcal/contestcal.html de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Dangerous Low Voltage
Camping World and other RV outlets have -nice- high-current DC items ... including a disconnect switch that attaches to battery posts. I think NAPA stocks the disconnect switches, too. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement -- Belated Issue
Hello, As I went to bed last night I realized I had not sent my announcement. So, after doing chores this morning I am getting it written and sent off. Rereading last week's announcement I found I had gone four days with no snow falling. Well, I can no longer say that. As of Friday afternoon the snow started to fall and the temperature dropped. Luckily it was only a light snowfall of about 2 inches. However, the temperature dropped into the twenties. I think I will lose all of my flowers before they get a chance to bloom. The two which opened last week may be the only ones I see this year. I have spent a fair amount of time on the air this week. I worked Mark, NK8Q, on the Appalachian Trail on 30 meters yesterday but could not find Ron, WB3AAL on 80. Someone commented on how dead 80 meters was in the Pacific Northwest on another list so a few of us checked. I found it wall to wall signals at one point but we have been keeping it busy when the activity drops. This week I have worked stations on 17, 20, 30, 40, and 80 meters while attempting contacts on 6, 10, 12, and 15 meters. I only listened on 160 meters because my antenna is too short to tune. Another summer project for Kevin :) Please join us this evening. 1) Hail signs (first letter or two of the suffix of your call) 2) NCS help (as well as QSP/QNP relay help) Sunday 2300z (Sunday 4 PM PDT) 14050 kHz Monday 0200z (Sunday 7 PM PDT) 7045 kHz Stay warm, Kevin. KD5ONS ecn.visionseer.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 and WIN-EQF
The K2 file works FB. 73 Bob K4LW Anybody using WIN-EQF for logging/rig control with the K3? If so what .rig file are you using? I see a K2.rig file and a Kenwood.rig file. de Brian/K3KO -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3-and-WIN-EQF-tp16795641p16795641.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Power pole for K3?
OK, I'm late in throwing in my two cents. I have the Anderson Power Pole crimper and have used another also that is the correct size and has the proper jaws but it is not a ratcheting type. It is usable but is not as foolproof as the ratcheting type. The Anderson is the correct one and applies the proper force, and fits the sleeve and the wire size you are using. If you do not use this type, the wire will be loose or the connector deformed and will not fit or make a secure connection. What I am trying to say is that even IF you buy the Anderson crimper, you are likely to screw up a few of the first ones you try to crimp. Now you have to solder anyway or order some more connectors, not what you want when you are hot to get on the air. My suggestion, unless you have the proper tool and therefore are likely proficient at crimping, is to ORDER the wired set from Elecraft and save yourself the possible problems with first time crimps (OR SOLDER them in the first place). I will be making my own as I already have plenty stock of the all the parts and the proper tool and have made more than 100 connections so I do not feel intimidated by the process and the crimps that I get are very good electrically and physically. I still can't be sloppy about it as it is not hard to mess one up. 73, Jim - Original Message - From: Bill Maddock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:08 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Power pole for K3? I have seen a lot of talk about the power pole connectors. Am I right in assuming that I will get a new power cord with my K3? I will be using an Astron 70A supply - a bit of over kill, but I currently run 2 TS-850S on it now. I also have 4 group 29 deep cycle batteries for backup with 2 80 watt solar panels and a charger controller. Ordered in Jnauary - getting antsy! 73, Bill N4ZI Munford, TN Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] PSK etc via external unit and KB
The MFJ Keyer I have has the keyboard interface and when my mind gets scrambled, I just grab the keyboard until I get calmed down. Plugs into the key jack on the Icom at present. Key/Keyer? I would have to check. 73, Jim - Original Message - From: David Ferrington, M0XDF [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Crafters Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 5:38 AM Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] PSK etc via external unit and KB Having just read the Waters Stanton add in this months RadCom, I see on pg 2 an add for the Icom IC-7700 and its content : Another first: built-in PSK31 and RTTY. Just add a USB keyboard Apart from taking exception - it's not a first, the K3 was I believe (but no point complaining - K3 doesn't have a KB yet), this got me to thinking... Would some bright spark like to produce a very small USB keyboard to paddle converter kit? I would guess a PIC that would produce the appropriate contact closures? This is far beyond me in design, but while we wait for Elecraft to possibly add some form of keyboard interface, this would allow us to drive the built in PSK and RTTY in the K3 via the paddle input. I know there is the NUE-PSK unit, but since most of the requirement is in the K3, I thought a small unit to convert key press to contact closure might be possible? 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 -- God gives every bird his worm, but he does not throw it into the nest. -Swedish proverb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 CW Rx Audio
I tried something last night that may be of interest to some CW ops. Although most of us are always in search of ways to narrow CW bandwidth, there are times when listening to CW is made more enjoyable when the receiver is allowed to open up a bit, especially with AFX activated. In order to engage in wideband CW reception with the wider crystal and DSP filters, press SPLIT, then A=B. Set VFO A for either LSB or USB. Then, set VFO B to CW. Next, press and hold the SUB button to link VFO A with VFO B. The CW offset can be made to match the sidetone frequency by setting VFO A and B to slightly different frequencies (difference being the side-tone frequency). I stored my settings into memory so I don't have to go through all the gyrations next time. With this approach, the rig is transmitting CW on VFO B, but listening in either LSB or USB on VFO A. It's important to set the Rx frequency on VFO A up by the offset amount (e.g., 600 Hz) for CW LSB receive, and down by the offset amount for CW USB receive. My tests show that QSK performance remains super-fast and is not affected with this procedure. Paul ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] It Just Takes Time
Don - There is an aphorism or proverb for both sides of any situation, and in some cases the same can be applied to both sides. The beginning of the line after the two you quote from Ecclesiastes perhaps best sums up the opinions of those who think the K3 was announced and released too early: A time to be born... Although the most applicable poetical line to that situation may be that written by an unknown Madison Avenue copywriter and uttered as eloquently by Orson Welles as any line of Shakespeare: We will sell no wine before its time. I would like to get a K3, but am waiting for the firmware and hardware to settle down to stable off the shelf items. And the tannins to mellow. :^)- Duffey -- KK6MC James Duffey Cedar Crest NM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 CW Rx Audio
I can't, for the life of me, figure why anyone would want to listen to cw with a really wide filter, but. Another way to do what you describe without worry about setting the VFO offset just right is to, well, use the offset (aka RIT) on just the receive VFO. Just dial in exactly what the CW Pitch is...easy? de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OK what contest is on now ?
n0jrn wrote: I hear folks calling CQ Test but no idea what test their working. Without knowing the call signs of the stations calling CQ test, it could be one of several contests. Almost every weekend there is at least one, and usually more than one, contest running. A list of the weekly contests can be found here: http://www.hornucopia.com/contestcal/weeklycont.php -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |What are we going to do today, Borg? Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 |Same thing we always do, Pinkutus: | Try to assimilate the world! #include disclaimer/favourite | -Pinkutus the Borg ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Rx Audio
Doug, I can't, for the life of me, figure why anyone would want to listen to cw with a really wide filter, but. I can't, for the life of me, figure why anyone would want to partake in contesting. Listening to CW with a wide filter often reveals keying effects that are otherwise masked by narrower filters. I also find narrow filters to be somewhat fatiguing for general rag-chew QSOs. An example was the Kenwood TS-870. CW reception with a DSP filter setting above 1 kHz was not possible. The filter capacity is there in these newer radios. Why not allow the ability to make full use of them, even if only for testing purposes? Tnx for the suggestion on using RIT. However, the value will not save to memory as it does with the described method. Paul, W9AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Rx Audio
I'm still waiting for my K3, but... I guess from the fact that you went through these gyrations means that one can't simply set the roofing filtering selection on auto and dial in a DSP width of 2700 Hz., e.g., or whatever with a K3 and have the 2700 Hz. SSB filter as the roofing filter; like I can with my Orion? What am I missing? 73 - John, W4AU At 04:56 PM 4/20/2008, you wrote: I tried something last night that may be of interest to some CW ops. Although most of us are always in search of ways to narrow CW bandwidth, there are times when listening to CW is made more enjoyable when the receiver is allowed to open up a bit, especially with AFX activated. In order to engage in wideband CW reception with the wider crystal and DSP filters, press SPLIT, then A=B. Set VFO A for either LSB or USB. Then, set VFO B to CW. Next, press and hold the SUB button to link VFO A with VFO B. The CW offset can be made to match the sidetone frequency by setting VFO A and B to slightly different frequencies (difference being the side-tone frequency). I stored my settings into memory so I don't have to go through all the gyrations next time. With this approach, the rig is transmitting CW on VFO B, but listening in either LSB or USB on VFO A. It's important to set the Rx frequency on VFO A up by the offset amount (e.g., 600 Hz) for CW LSB receive, and down by the offset amount for CW USB receive. My tests show that QSK performance remains super-fast and is not affected with this procedure. Paul ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Rx Audio
DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: I can't, for the life of me, figure why anyone would want to listen to cw with a really wide filter, but. From K3ZO many time winner of Dayton pileup contests: I just got back from Thailand so am reading all of this old discussion for the first time, but as an Orion owner, and since someone mentioned me in a post, I thought I ought to comment. I have always preferred to use the filters between my ears rather than the ones that come with radios and never liked narrow filters because the ringing bothers me a lot. N3UM and W4AU convinced me to go with the Orion mainly because they said it doesn't ring. Well in my opinion it does, but you can zero out the ringing by using a bandwidth of exactly 970 Hz, so when I'm on CW that's where my bandwidth is always set. Precisely because in a DX contest I had a loud W2 perch 670 Hz above me and used the Orion's very FB notch filter to notch him out, I now also use the notch filter set for 670 Hz tone and 300 Hz bandwidth full time while on CW, because in the Orion the notch filter appears to the user to act like another filter in series with the regular one. This combination has given me reception pleasure like I haven't had for years (maybe my Drake R4C with the Sherwood mods got close way back when). Nevertheless taking Tom's main point, narrowing a filter mainly so you can squeeze up right close to another guy running on an adjacent channel is not a good reason to use a narrow filter. In my experience you always want to know what is going on around you as you run. Narrowing the filter beyond a certain point deprives you of the audio version of peripheral vision, and you lose if you cut yourself off from what's going on around you that way. Tom is right when he says that it will lower your rate even though you think you're really banging away. With a rig like the Orion the tone you set your sidetone monitor to is also very important. I like to copy CW at 400 Hz, and I have been surprised when people have commented that 400 Hz is a much lower tone than they like to use. I believe it is established science that the lower the tone you use to copy, the better your ear is at separating out tones which differ in frequency very little from each other. I actually thought I was using a rather high choice of tone, as I recall some articles I read years ago, perhaps by professional ship-to-shore ops, advocating 200 or 300 Hz as their tones of choice. I also believe in using a first-class pair of headphones. The arguments about communications quality audio vs high fi audio have never cut any mustard with me. In 60 years of using all kinds of different receivers, speakers and headphones, I am of the firm belief that the ear wants to extract as much information as it can get from any receiving setup, meaning that whatever is the final apparatus used to translate electrons into sound, it should be as good as scientifically practical in transmitting the widest range of sounds with as flat a response as possible. Therefore my German Sennheiser headset has pride of place in my shack. As those who are familiar with my views on the subject of people who are quick to send QRL can attest however, this does not mean that I allow someone else to determine for me what my optimum receiving bandwidth should be. When I started contesting in 1952 nobody ever talked about level playing fields or how someone stole your frequency. It was just assumed that if things got too hot for you, you moved. That was part of the game. We have since shot ourselves in the foot by relegating our beginners to two meter FM where they got the idea that all channels everywhere should be as crystal clear as the ones they got started with at the beginning. Back when men were men, a crowded band full of signals was a joy to behold, a challenge to be reckoned with and mastered. I know this discussion has been mainly about CW, but the best example I can think of to illustrate this particular point was 75 meter phone on a winter night with the green tinge of aurora flickering on the northern horizon. Yes, in the AM days the band on such a night would be filled with heterodynes from one end to the other -- we called it jingle bells -- and there were about three signals in the whole band that you could actually copy, and yet the presence of all those heterodynes meant there were sure a hell of a lot of us in there trying. Over the years we have been afforded the right to QSY at will within wide portions of spectrum of which most of our bands consist precisely because we have convinced our authorities that we, more efficiently than any other radio service, have demonstrated that we can share limited spectrum capably and get maximum production out of it. Be careful how much you wish the QRM would just go away, the FCC's answer might be to duplicate the 60 meter experience on all our other bands. And if I sound like a nasty old codger, well, having just turned 70,
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Rx Audio
well, having just turned 70, Welcome to the club, Fred. 73, Bob N6WG The Little Station with Attitude - Original Message - From: Bill W4ZV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Rx Audio DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: I can't, for the life of me, figure why anyone would want to listen to cw with a really wide filter, but. From K3ZO many time winner of Dayton pileup contests: I just got back from Thailand so am reading all of this old discussion for the first time, but as an Orion owner, and since someone mentioned me in a post, I thought I ought to comment. I have always preferred to use the filters between my ears rather than the ones that come with radios and never liked narrow filters because the ringing bothers me a lot. N3UM and W4AU convinced me to go with the Orion mainly because they said it doesn't ring. Well in my opinion it does, but you can zero out the ringing by using a bandwidth of exactly 970 Hz, so when I'm on CW that's where my bandwidth is always set. Precisely because in a DX contest I had a loud W2 perch 670 Hz above me and used the Orion's very FB notch filter to notch him out, I now also use the notch filter set for 670 Hz tone and 300 Hz bandwidth full time while on CW, because in the Orion the notch filter appears to the user to act like another filter in series with the regular one. This combination has given me reception pleasure like I haven't had for years (maybe my Drake R4C with the Sherwood mods got close way back when). Nevertheless taking Tom's main point, narrowing a filter mainly so you can squeeze up right close to another guy running on an adjacent channel is not a good reason to use a narrow filter. In my experience you always want to know what is going on around you as you run. Narrowing the filter beyond a certain point deprives you of the audio version of peripheral vision, and you lose if you cut yourself off from what's going on around you that way. Tom is right when he says that it will lower your rate even though you think you're really banging away. With a rig like the Orion the tone you set your sidetone monitor to is also very important. I like to copy CW at 400 Hz, and I have been surprised when people have commented that 400 Hz is a much lower tone than they like to use. I believe it is established science that the lower the tone you use to copy, the better your ear is at separating out tones which differ in frequency very little from each other. I actually thought I was using a rather high choice of tone, as I recall some articles I read years ago, perhaps by professional ship-to-shore ops, advocating 200 or 300 Hz as their tones of choice. I also believe in using a first-class pair of headphones. The arguments about communications quality audio vs high fi audio have never cut any mustard with me. In 60 years of using all kinds of different receivers, speakers and headphones, I am of the firm belief that the ear wants to extract as much information as it can get from any receiving setup, meaning that whatever is the final apparatus used to translate electrons into sound, it should be as good as scientifically practical in transmitting the widest range of sounds with as flat a response as possible. Therefore my German Sennheiser headset has pride of place in my shack. As those who are familiar with my views on the subject of people who are quick to send QRL can attest however, this does not mean that I allow someone else to determine for me what my optimum receiving bandwidth should be. When I started contesting in 1952 nobody ever talked about level playing fields or how someone stole your frequency. It was just assumed that if things got too hot for you, you moved. That was part of the game. We have since shot ourselves in the foot by relegating our beginners to two meter FM where they got the idea that all channels everywhere should be as crystal clear as the ones they got started with at the beginning. Back when men were men, a crowded band full of signals was a joy to behold, a challenge to be reckoned with and mastered. I know this discussion has been mainly about CW, but the best example I can think of to illustrate this particular point was 75 meter phone on a winter night with the green tinge of aurora flickering on the northern horizon. Yes, in the AM days the band on such a night would be filled with heterodynes from one end to the other -- we called it jingle bells -- and there were about three signals in the whole band that you could actually copy, and yet the presence of all those heterodynes meant there were sure a hell of a lot of us in there trying. Over the years we have been afforded the right to QSY at will within wide portions of spectrum of which most of our bands consist precisely because we have convinced our authorities that we, more
[Elecraft] K2 not dead yet
OK, We just finished the K2 for our school. I was planing to teach the kids to solder and wanted a radio that the kids could build so I asked the ARRL for the K2 instead of the low-end Ikensu (Yaecomwood?) they were offering. I remember how much I learned from building Heathkits, Knight kits, and Eico kits as a kid so I thought we could do the same with the K2. Construction took much of the school year (October to April) including a few dry spells when I sat after school and slung solder just so we would keep making forward progress. (It was a big project for 10-13 year-old kids.) Regardless, the K2, KSB2, and KNB2 are finished and on- the-air. The KPA100 is now in the build area and my star builders (5th graders who think that soldering is just about as much fun as you can have) have just unpacked, taken inventory, and soldered the first parts. (I took inventory too and couldn't find the output transistors. I darned near tore my hair out until I found the drawer where they had been carefully, neatly, and incorrectly stored.) We have 5 more weeks of school so we are going to have to push to get the KPA100 done, especially with all the other end-of-year projects. (I suspect I will have to keep the momentum going. Poor me. :-) I think I have said that we will be on the air for Field Day using the K2 with solar power. I hope to have a couple who will be ready to do some slow-and-simple CW QSOs too. Gotta get those multipliers! I know everyone is dumping their K2s so they can get a K3 but, gee- whiz, the K2 is some good receiver. I *love* this radio! I have had a LOT of radios come and go in the shack (top-of-the-line Kenwood, two sets of Collins S-Line, several Icom, a Yaesu station, and a plethora of Heathkits) and I have to say that, so far, I think this is my favorite radio, even at just 10W. The only thing it is missing (stock) is a good way to do digital modes. (I have seen the mod for getting audio out before the audio amp but not sure how well it will fit after getting the KPA100 in there.) So, the K3 looks like a superb radio. I want one. But, compared to just about everything else, the K2 is still a winner. (For some reason it keeps following me home on the weekends.) -- Brian Lloyd Granite Bay Montessori brian AT gbmontessori DOT com 9330 Sierra College Blvd. +1.916.367.2131 (voice) Roseville, CA 95661, USA http://www.gbmontessori.com I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . — Antoine de Saint-Exupéry PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] KAT3
I know the KAT3 is wide ranging but I was wondering if it also has the ability to affect receive as well as transmit. My TS-570D's internal tuner does not, for example, whereas both my external tuners do. Between that and the fact that I also have a 1500 watt PA that works with my existing antenna farm has caused me to not order the KAT3 with my K3/100. I would like to have the convenience of the extra ANT input, I have two antennas, as well as the convenience of the antenna memories, but between the receive tuning AND the fact that I will be occasionally using high power I have decided to forego the internal tuner for now. Am I on the right track here, or am I missing something? BTW, if money were no object I would just order it and be done with it! Jack, AE6GC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Rx Audio
Yes, you can - just as you do with your Orion. Sometimes I open it up to 1500 Hz or so in CW mode when I'm tuning around the band. Bob NW8L On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 4:39 PM, John Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still waiting for my K3, but... I guess from the fact that you went through these gyrations means that one can't simply set the roofing filtering selection on auto and dial in a DSP width of 2700 Hz., e.g., or whatever with a K3 and have the 2700 Hz. SSB filter as the roofing filter; like I can with my Orion? What am I missing? 73 - John, W4AU At 04:56 PM 4/20/2008, you wrote: I tried something last night that may be of interest to some CW ops. Although most of us are always in search of ways to narrow CW bandwidth, there are times when listening to CW is made more enjoyable when the receiver is allowed to open up a bit, especially with AFX activated. In order to engage in wideband CW reception with the wider crystal and DSP filters, press SPLIT, then A=B. Set VFO A for either LSB or USB. Then, set VFO B to CW. Next, press and hold the SUB button to link VFO A with VFO B. The CW offset can be made to match the sidetone frequency by setting VFO A and B to slightly different frequencies (difference being the side-tone frequency). I stored my settings into memory so I don't have to go through all the gyrations next time. With this approach, the rig is transmitting CW on VFO B, but listening in either LSB or USB on VFO A. It's important to set the Rx frequency on VFO A up by the offset amount (e.g., 600 Hz) for CW LSB receive, and down by the offset amount for CW USB receive. My tests show that QSK performance remains super-fast and is not affected with this procedure. Paul ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 reboot
Can someone tell me what a reboot on the K3 means? I assumed that it was powering down, removing power completely, then reconnect the power and power up. Is there more to it than this? Is there some sequence of buttons to push while powering up? Stan W5EWA Houston, TX ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KAT3
Hi Jack If you are using a single antenna, TXing and RXing with it, the ATU will affect receive as well as transmit. If you use a separate receive antenna jack to access a separate receiving antenna, the ATU will not be involved in the receive path. 73, Bob N6WG - Original Message - From: Jack Regan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 4:14 PM Subject: [Elecraft] KAT3 I know the KAT3 is wide ranging but I was wondering if it also has the ability to affect receive as well as transmit. My TS-570D's internal tuner does not, for example, whereas both my external tuners do. Between that and the fact that I also have a 1500 watt PA that works with my existing antenna farm has caused me to not order the KAT3 with my K3/100. I would like to have the convenience of the extra ANT input, I have two antennas, as well as the convenience of the antenna memories, but between the receive tuning AND the fact that I will be occasionally using high power I have decided to forego the internal tuner for now. Am I on the right track here, or am I missing something? BTW, if money were no object I would just order it and be done with it! Jack, AE6GC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Rx Audio
John, I have only the stock 2.7k filter in my K3, and in either CW or SSB mode, I can dial a bandwidth in excess of 2.8 kHz. It should work the same way even if the narrow filters are installed - the filter selected automatically follows the DSP bandwidth. 73, Don W3FPR John Unger wrote: I'm still waiting for my K3, but... I guess from the fact that you went through these gyrations means that one can't simply set the roofing filtering selection on auto and dial in a DSP width of 2700 Hz., e.g., or whatever with a K3 and have the 2700 Hz. SSB filter as the roofing filter; like I can with my Orion? What am I missing? 73 - John, W4AU At 04:56 PM 4/20/2008, you wrote: I tried something last night that may be of interest to some CW ops. Although most of us are always in search of ways to narrow CW bandwidth, there are times when listening to CW is made more enjoyable when the receiver is allowed to open up a bit, especially with AFX activated. In order to engage in wideband CW reception with the wider crystal and DSP filters, press SPLIT, then A=B. Set VFO A for either LSB or USB. Then, set VFO B to CW. Next, press and hold the SUB button to link VFO A with VFO B. The CW offset can be made to match the sidetone frequency by setting VFO A and B to slightly different frequencies (difference being the side-tone frequency). I stored my settings into memory so I don't have to go through all the gyrations next time. With this approach, the rig is transmitting CW on VFO B, but listening in either LSB or USB on VFO A. It's important to set the Rx frequency on VFO A up by the offset amount (e.g., 600 Hz) for CW LSB receive, and down by the offset amount for CW USB receive. My tests show that QSK performance remains super-fast and is not affected with this procedure. Paul ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 - 1.8K Filter Available
I need to make room for a different filter and decided I don't need the 1.8K. I noticed that many rigs are being shipped with that filter back ordered. If you'd like to get that filter before they are back in stock, please contact me off-list. 73, Dave N8AG Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 S/N 624 progress + ECN 20 Apr
About to put the front panel on the main chassis, been at this about 3 hrs today, I think I'll pack it in for the night. I am really stunned by the mechanical engineering in this radio. All the screw holes have lined up perfectly. I expect to be stunned by the electrical engineering as soon as I power it up [and figure out how to use it :-) ]. So far, everything has gone well ... OK, exactly as it should have, the assembly docs are really [really!] good. I kept looking for the phone jack until I finally realized it was already attached to the DSP board. I'm really anxious to fire the radio up. Meanwhile I have my K2/100 to keep me company. Things I have learned: 1. Do the inventory. Don't bother counting all the screws, washers, nuts, and stuff, just sort them into a muffin tin. There seem to be extras. So far, everything has been there. 2. Some of the modules have their own hardware packed with them. There seem to be extras there too, just add them to your stash in the muffin tin. 3. Go slow, read the instructions, and then read them again ... twice more. There are a lot of details in them. 4. For the rubber feet in the side panel, I recommend the soap/press method. After I gave up on the twist method, it went really quickly. ECN: Heard N0AR check in on 20, but for me, no N0SS=No QNI. Never heard Kevin or anyone else except a very weak AD? I was surprised on Sat in the MIQP and ONQP to hear WA and OR fairly strong on 20. I guess it dies by 2300Z. Wish I could make the 40m net more often. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 08 - www.cqp.org ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K2 not dead yet
Brian Lloyd wrote: ... I know everyone is dumping their K2s so they can get a K3 but, gee-whiz, the K2 is some good receiver. I *love* this radio! Everyone? If you compare the number of K2s purchased to the number being offered for sale you will see that nearly everyone is keeping their K2s. We love 'em, too. My K2 (#3302) is my portable rig and the K3 (#441) is my base station, although these roles may be reversed from time to time. 73, Gus Hansen KB0YH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 CW Rx Audio
Paul - what a great idea, I wonder why -I- didn't think of it? !!! The K3 is so versatile. Everthing I try provides an afternoon or more of radio enjoyment. There are more buttons on brand I, Y and K, but I never had as much fun trying things with those sets. I did something like this QSK split with the TS480, but on CW it still did not provide exactly what I was looking for. The K3 does not save the SPLIT setting to my memories, seems like it should. No worries, I am just a button pushing cowboy. ;-) Great suggestion. [Elecraft] K3 CW Rx Audio Paul Christensen w9ac at arrl.net Sun Apr 20 16:56:52 EDT 2008 Previous message: [Elecraft] K3: Desired improvements Next message: [Elecraft] K3 CW Rx Audio I tried something last night that may be of interest to some CW ops. Although most of us are always in search of ways to narrow CW bandwidth, there are times when listening to CW is made more enjoyable when the receiver is allowed to open up a bit, especially with AFX activated. In order to engage in wideband CW reception with the wider crystal and DSP filters, press SPLIT, then A=B. Set VFO A for either LSB or USB. Then, set VFO B to CW. Next, press and hold the SUB button to link VFO A with VFO B. The CW offset can be made to match the sidetone frequency by setting VFO A and B to slightly different frequencies (difference being the side-tone frequency). I stored my settings into memory so I don't have to go through all the gyrations next time. With this approach, the rig is transmitting CW on VFO B, but listening in either LSB or USB on VFO A. It's important to set the Rx frequency on VFO A up by the offset amount (e.g., 600 Hz) for CW LSB receive, and down by the offset amount for CW USB receive. My tests show that QSK performance remains super-fast and is not affected with this procedure. Paul ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for April 20th 21st, 2008
Good Evening, The twenty meter net went well but the forty meter net was plagued by Flying Pig QRM. I tried using RIT to move them off the side but they kept moving right on top of me. Seems like they cannot hear very well. The Bacon Run is only once a month but it is getting harder and harder to find an unfilled frequency anywhere near 7045 kHz. I went down to 7043 and then up to 7047. 7046.5 was open until ten minutes into the net. Then the QRM got very heavy. That was why I asked for repeats. The FP folks made it very hard to copy you. It seems like I have the coldest spot this week. Even Rick in Alaska and Ken in North Dakota are warmer than here! I read about the year without a summer. I hope this year is not like that one! Other than the heavy Flying Pig QRM conditions were pretty good. I had a chance to work into Alaska, Connecticut, and Hawaii on twenty meters. There was a little Midwestern QRN which is still crashing on the rig. The lists = On 14050 kHz at 2300z: NO8V - John - MI W6ZH - Pete - CA - K3 - 657 W0JFR - John - CO - K2 - 4507 K9DMV - Joe - IL - K2 - 5628 N7KRT - Jeff - TX - K2 - 5471 AB9V - Mike - IN - K3 - 398 AH6RE - Curt - HI - K3 - 469 N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866 KL7CW - Rick - AK - KX1 - 798 W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457 N5SM - Scott - TX - K2 - 6417 QNI #15!! On 7046.5 kHz at 0100z: W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457 W6ZH - Pete - CA - K3 - 657 W0JFR - John - CO - K2 - 4507 QNI #30!!! N5SM - Scott - TX - K2 - 6417 K1THP - Dave - CT - K3 - 686 QNI #35 AB9V - Mike - IN - K3 - 398 N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866 WA7BOC - Roger - WA - K3 - 75 K9ZTV - Kent - MO - K3 - 21 K6PJV - Dale - CA - K2 - 5345 K7KJ - Greg - OR - KX1 - 452 Three new K3s checked in today. Looks like they are shipping in higher numbers. The first thousand will be on the air soon. By the end of 2008 there should be as many as three thousand of them running. Once the reports of their operation get widely disseminated the waiting list will grow even longer. I had better check the fire soon so Sam is happy. It almost went out as I was running the first net. While cooking dinner I had to rekindle it. Good thing I took an OTs advice and kept all the bark which comes off the wood as I split it. I dry it by the stove. It provides very good kindling material. In Wisconsin I would use birch bark to start fires when I was camping. Even when wet it makes a hot flame. Until next week stay well, 73, Kevin. KD5ONS (Net Control Operator 5th Class) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
