date:20170216

> It's important that we have visibility not only into features in the
> pipeline, but also proposed features which have been rejected.

Why?

Yes Joe, why should you be privvy to proprietary Elecraft information?

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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] K2 for Sale

2017-02-16 Thread KK5IB

Price reduced to $750



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Re: [Elecraft] Tech passing us by - was Re: Mouse-n-Click QSY

2017-02-16 Thread Wes Stewart


I said below: "To get back to one button, I've put PF1 on K-Pod PF3"

I did misspeak when I said, referring to the K-Pod, PF1 & PF2, I meant F1 and 
F2.:-)




On 2/16/2017 8:55 PM, Cady, Fred wrote:


Although it doesn't guard against accidentally holding KPod F1 or F2, another 
thing you can do is assign your recursive or self programming macros (now 
Macro 1 and Macro 2?) to be activated by a hold of PF1 and then make another 
macro say Macro 16 that holds PF1 (SWH45).  That does use up another of the 16 
total macros but now just tapping Kpod F8 will toggle between split and non-split


Cheers,

Fred KE7X


For all KE7X books, see www.ke7x.com 






*From:* Elecraft  on behalf of Wes Stewart 


*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 5:21 PM
*To:* elecraft@mailman.qth.net
*Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Tech passing us by - was Re: Mouse-n-Click QSY
I have two re-programming macros, Split + 1 and No Split in Macro 1 and Macro 2
respectively. in my K3S. In the radio these are assigned to PF1.  Hold PF1, go
to Split; hold it again, cancel split.   Now, to avoid disasters, using the
K-Pod, I must program both tap and hold of PF1 and PF2 respectively to split and
cancel split.  So there are four functions tied up to do what I can do with one
button push on the K3S.  To get back to one button, I've put radio PF1 on K-Pod
PF3. Confusing, no?

IMHO, to fulfill its promise, the K-Pod should hold the macros and send them to
the radio.  They should be programmable in the K-Pod via USB.

Wes  N7WS



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 product suggestion

2017-02-16 Thread Bill Mader

Add me to the list.

 

73, Bill, K8TE

 

Message: 8 
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 09:50:29 -0600 
From: "Jim Cox"  > 
To: "Dauer, Edward"  >,
 > 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 product suggestion 
Message-ID: <9CEEDC89C11D40E29D24E16BF539A09E@JimPC> 
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; 
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I fully agree, a mouse click qsy would be wonderful, been waiting for this 
for over a year now..  Jim K4JAF

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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) CW Resonant Speaker

2017-02-16 Thread Gary Watson

That is really an excellent video Stan.  That's a pretty effective speaker,
I will be digging thru my plumbing supplies tomorrow!
Gary N7DXT

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 6:14 PM, stan levandowski 
wrote:

> For those with interest I just put up a video comparison of a standard
> "communications speaker" vs. the "CW Resonant Speaker" detailed in the
> article of the same name in the February 2017 QST, page 43.
>
> Included for Elecraft KX product owners is the amp necessary to use the
> headphone jack output.
>
>
> Click on:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htjgeHEf3-g
>
>
> 73, Stan WB2LQF
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Re: [Elecraft] Tech passing us by - was Re: Mouse-n-Click QSY

2017-02-16 Thread Cady, Fred

Although it doesn't guard against accidentally holding KPod F1 or F2, another 
thing you can do is assign your recursive or self programming macros (now Macro 
1 and Macro 2?) to be activated by a hold of PF1 and then make another macro 
say Macro 16 that holds PF1 (SWH45).  That does use up another of the 16 total 
macros but now just tapping Kpod F8 will toggle between split and non-split

Cheers,

Fred KE7X


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From: Elecraft  on behalf of Wes Stewart 

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 5:21 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Tech passing us by - was Re: Mouse-n-Click QSY

I have two re-programming macros, Split + 1 and No Split in Macro 1 and Macro 2
respectively. in my K3S. In the radio these are assigned to PF1.  Hold PF1, go
to Split; hold it again, cancel split.   Now, to avoid disasters, using the
K-Pod, I must program both tap and hold of PF1 and PF2 respectively to split and
cancel split.  So there are four functions tied up to do what I can do with one
button push on the K3S.  To get back to one button, I've put radio PF1 on K-Pod
PF3. Confusing, no?

IMHO, to fulfill its promise, the K-Pod should hold the macros and send them to
the radio.  They should be programmable in the K-Pod via USB.

Wes  N7WS


  On 2/16/2017 12:12 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> Easier said than done; Hold the tap too long and it messes up the 
> reprogramming macro.
>
> It should not be a problem for Elecraft to expand the macro area to hold more 
> macros,providing they had the foresight to use a chip with a larger 
> programming space.
>
> Point is there is room for improvement and either they keep up or they will 
> be passed by.
>
>
>
>
>From: Don Wilhelm
>   To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>   Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 1:43 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Tech passing us by - was Re: Mouse-n-Click QSY
>
> Harry,
>
> So use only 8 of them on your K-Pod - the other 8 can be used as
> self-programming (just don't use the buttons relating to
> self-programming buttons on the K-Pod unless you want to confuse
> yourself by not knowing which state they are in).
>
> The point is that 8 was sufficient in the past, I am just curious why
> expanding the number to 16 would be a problem.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 2/16/2017 1:28 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>> I am well aware that there are 16.
>>
>> But since they are all assigned to the K-Pod they are no longer useful for 
>> self reprogramming Macros.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Don Wilhelm
>>To: Harry Yingst;"elecraft@mailman.qth.net"  
>> 
>>Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 1:23 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Tech passing us by - was Re: Mouse-n-Click QSY
>>
>> Limited Macros ???
>>
>> Just a bit of information:  The number of macros was 8.  It was
>> increased to 16 to support the number of buttons on the K-Pod.
>>
>> Just because the K-Pod buttons can access the macros does not mean that
>> those macros are dedicated to the K-Pod.  The fact that they are stored
>> in the K3 allows them to be assigned to buttons as well or called up by
>> an external source other than the K-Pod.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 2/16/2017 11:50 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>>> On the K3 the limited number of macros and how the K-Pod uses all 16 of 
>>> them leaving none left over for other purposes.  As I understand it a bit 
>>> of that is due to the microcontroller having limited programming space but 
>>> if that's the case then the K3s should have used a more modern chip that 
>>> had a larger space and possibly a new replacement board available to the 
>>> older K3 to update them (something I thought that the K3 was supposed to be 
>>> 100% future-proofed but with apparently not).
>>>

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[Elecraft] KPA500 ALC Voltage

2017-02-16 Thread Lyn

Hello all,

My backup KPA500 has an issue with the ALC connection. As soon as I apply power 
to the amp, the ALC voltage on the connector goes to -5.2vdc. It is a “hard” 
problem, not effected by any tapping or poking around that I have done so far. 
It takes about 3 seconds for the voltage to decay when I turn off the power at 
the back panel.

My other KPA500 has zero volts on the ALC until I transmit and then the voltage 
varies, as it should. This ALC on the “problem” amp worked fine with a Kenwood 
rig (with 0 to -7vdc ALC range), but wouldn’t let an Icom rig transmit at all 
(Icom has a 0 to -4vdc range).

I don’t use ALC very often, but would like to have it working when I want it. 
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Lyn - KC8I


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Re: [Elecraft] Feature Request: improved internal keyer and CW PTT behavior

2017-02-16 Thread Gerald Manthey

If it were only a chip change to add a winkeyer 3 inside my K3 I would do it in 
a heart beat.  


> On Feb 16, 2017, at 6:51 PM, Kevin  wrote:
> 
> Using the Winkey is not a requirement. It's just a much better keyer than the 
> Elecraft keyer.
> One chip and some extraneous parts...problem gone.
> 
> 
>> On 2/14/2017 9:53 AM, Chester Alderman wrote:
>> First, I admit to not understanding the problem! I do run QSK and VOX during
>> contest and during regular QRQ QSO's. With my K3/Alpha 9500 setup, I can run
>> full QSK CW up to 100 wpm and I have no PTT delay issues? I do not run with
>> PTT asserted and therefore I do not witness the issues other contesters
>> have.. As for N1MM's "poorly designed internal K3 keyer logic", I certainly
>> have to disagree with that comment. During 'normal' contest I operate from
>> 28 to 40 wpm, full QSK and would go nuts if there were any perturbations
>> with my K3's keying.
>> 
>> A so called 'solution' to CW stuttering is to purchase and use the K1EL
>> keyer. The real problem is with Windows op system wherein the CPU is often
>> interrupted to do 'internal chores'; and when this happens, all I/O ports
>> are shut down, which causes the CW stutter. Simply turning off the Windows
>> generated sound, eliminates the stutter issue and the 'requirement' to
>> purchase the K1EL keyer.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Tom - W4BQF
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>> donov...@starpower.net
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 12:53 AM
>> To: Elecraft Reflector
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: improved internal keyer and CW PTT
>> behavior
>> 
>> Okay, lets take Eric's lead and open an interesting thread directly related
>> to an excellent Elecraft product.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> For years many of us have suffered with the odd behavior of the K3
>> in CW PTT mode. There are at least two inexplicble aspects of K3
>> CW PTT behavior that have forced many of us to use external
>> Winkeyers rather than the poorly designed internal K3 keyer logic
>> when the K3 is in CW PTT mode.
>> 
>> 
>> For CW contesters, its necessary to operate the K3 in PTT mode
>> to avoid unwanted VOX delay. But for some strange reason the
>> K3 always applies VOX delay after external PTT is unasserted.
>> I can think of no logical reason why VOX delay should be applied
>> at the end of the external PTT input when the K3 is PTT mode or
>> any other mode. When PTT is unasserted, the K3 should always
>> immediately return to receive mode, no exceptions.
>> 
>> 
>> When using the internal K3 keyer when in PTT mode, for some
>> inexplicable reason the K3 behaves like its in QSK mode. The
>> only way to avoid this is to use VOX rather than PTT mode or
>> to use a foot switch when in PTT mode. Both alternatives
>> are unacceptable.
>> 
>> 
>> The band aid solution many contesters use with excellent results
>> is to avoid using the internal K3 keyer and to use an external
>> K1EL Winkeyer that generates both a key output and a PTT
>> signal generated according to well designed Winkeyer CW PTT
>> logic.
>> 
>> 
>> Why can't the K3 implement logic similar to the Winkeyer to
>> generate the equivalent of "Winkeyer PTT" when using the K3
>> internal keyer when the K3 is in PTT mode?
>> 
>> 
>> 73
>> Frank
>> W3LPL
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Re: [Elecraft] High SWR/Low Power out on K3S

Loose connection between the so239 and the tuner board?

 Original message 
From: Dean Blair  
Date: 2017-02-16  8:02 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: [Elecraft] High SWR/Low Power out on K3S 

Hi,

Just curious if others had this issue and could resolve it.

My K3S had suddenly started showing High SWR faults with resulting low power 
out due to rollback even when the autotune reads 1.0-1.  Different dummy loads, 
antennas, and coax jumpers change nothing.  I upgraded the firmware to the most 
current release and still no change.

Any suggestions?

Dean ~ K2JB

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[Elecraft] K3 with switching power supply??

2017-02-16 Thread john

I have made thousands of QSOs using the Powerwerx supply powering both a K3S
and a KAT500.

John KK9A  


Bob Steding said: 
Mon Feb 13 15:33:02 EST 2017

Is there a problem using the Powerwerx to power both the K3S *and *the
KAT500, or would I need a second Powerwerx?

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Re: [Elecraft] High SWR/Low Power out on K3S


Dean,

It sounds like you have an intermittent connection somewhere.  Contact 
K3support for the best analysis.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/16/2017 8:02 PM, Dean Blair wrote:

Hi,

Just curious if others had this issue and could resolve it.

My K3S had suddenly started showing High SWR faults with resulting low power 
out due to rollback even when the autotune reads 1.0-1.  Different dummy loads, 
antennas, and coax jumpers change nothing.  I upgraded the firmware to the most 
current release and still no change.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 with switching power supply??

2017-02-16 Thread Jim Brown


On Thu,2/16/2017 5:04 PM, Jack Colson wrote:

Ii have been using the Astron SS-25M for 7 years with my K3 (s/n 11xx) and 
notice no issues with noise.  The same is true with my VHF and UHF transceivers.



Whether or not you hear a noise source depends on the nature of THAT 
source, in what frequency range it produces noise, its proximity to your 
antennas, and how much other noise is present in your environment.


73, Jim

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Re: [Elecraft] Tracking Elecraft Feature Requests


I agree with Kevin's "Why"
Tell me of another amateur radio manufacturer who maintains such a list. 
 This is *not* open source programming.
If such a list exists for any other amateur radio manufacturer, they 
would come out with an "improved" new radio (Mark VI) version and if you 
wanted the "upgrade" you would have to buy the new radio.


With Elecraft, you get those "upgrades" at no cost, just download the 
firmware. You knew (or should have known) the capabilities of the radio 
when you bought it - you did review the specializations and features 
before you purchased it, did you not?


I don't think we need to have visibility into the Elecraft engineering 
resources, and prioritization of requests for added functions.


Those at Elecraft *do* listen and often respond to such customer 
requests, but the prioritization of those requests must be on Elecraft's 
terms for reasons of availability of engineering resources and the sales 
benefit of those changes.


Bug reports will get a different response than those requests for 
changed operation.  If bug reports are proven valid and repeatable, they 
will be attended to promptly.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/16/2017 7:54 PM, Kevin wrote:

Why?


On 2/14/2017 10:56 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote:

[js] It's important that we have visibility not only into features in the
pipeline, but also proposed features which have been rejected.


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[Elecraft] (OT) CW Resonant Speaker

2017-02-16 Thread stan levandowski

For those with interest I just put up a video comparison of a standard 
"communications speaker" vs. the "CW Resonant Speaker" detailed in the 
article of the same name in the February 2017 QST, page 43.


Included for Elecraft KX product owners is the amp necessary to use the 
headphone jack output.



Click on:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htjgeHEf3-g


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 with switching power supply??

2017-02-16 Thread donovanf

Hi Jack, 


Your RS-25M be trouble free for many years as long as you don't 
allow the heat sink to get very hot. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

- Original Message -

From: "Jack Colson"  
To: "Kevin"  
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:04:21 AM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 with switching power supply?? 

Ii have been using the Astron SS-25M for 7 years with my K3 (s/n 11xx) and 
notice no issues with noise. The same is true with my VHF and UHF transceivers. 
73, 
Jack, W3TMZ 
> On Feb 16, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Kevin  wrote: 
> 
> If the Astron ain't broke keep it. There would have to be a real good reason, 
> like parts becoming unobtainable, for me to consider getting rid of my 
> Astron. If they break they are dead simple to diagnose and fix and no chance 
> of making noise like a switcher. 
> 
> 
> On 2/13/2017 12:51 PM, NOEL POULIN wrote: 
>> Hi, 
>> I am using a standard linear power supply with my new K3S. 
>> Anyboy using the ELECRAFT SWITCHING POWER SUPPLY WITH THE K3S 
>> I am on the way to change my old Astron RS35M power supply 
>> Which one is better?? Linear or Elecraft Switching power supply 
>> Thanks 
>> Noel 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 with switching power supply??

2017-02-16 Thread Jack Colson

Ii have been using the Astron SS-25M for 7 years with my K3 (s/n 11xx) and 
notice no issues with noise.  The same is true with my VHF and UHF transceivers.
73,
Jack, W3TMZ
> On Feb 16, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Kevin  wrote:
> 
> If the Astron ain't broke keep it. There would have to be a real good reason, 
> like parts becoming unobtainable, for me to consider getting rid of my 
> Astron. If they break they are dead simple to diagnose and fix and no chance 
> of making noise like a switcher.
> 
> 
> On 2/13/2017 12:51 PM, NOEL POULIN wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I am using a standard linear power supply with my new K3S.
>> Anyboy using the ELECRAFT SWITCHING POWER SUPPLY WITH THE K3S
>> I am on the way to change my old Astron RS35M power supply
>> Which one is better??Linear or Elecraft Switching power supply
>> Thanks
>> Noel
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[Elecraft] Fwd: Re: Tracking Elecraft Feature Requests

2017-02-16 Thread Ken G Kopp

Yes Joe, why should you be privvy to proprietary Elecraft information?

K0PP
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Why?


On 2/14/2017 10:56 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote:

> [js] It's important that we have visibility not only into features in the
> pipeline, but also proposed features which have been rejected.
>
> Joe
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[Elecraft] High SWR/Low Power out on K3S

2017-02-16 Thread Dean Blair

Hi,

Just curious if others had this issue and could resolve it.

My K3S had suddenly started showing High SWR faults with resulting low power 
out due to rollback even when the autotune reads 1.0-1.  Different dummy loads, 
antennas, and coax jumpers change nothing.  I upgraded the firmware to the most 
current release and still no change.

Any suggestions?

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Re: [Elecraft] Tracking Elecraft Feature Requests

2017-02-16 Thread Kevin


Why?


On 2/14/2017 10:56 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote:

[js] It's important that we have visibility not only into features in the
pipeline, but also proposed features which have been rejected.

Joe
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Re: [Elecraft] Feature Request: improved internal keyer and CW PTT behavior

2017-02-16 Thread Kevin

Using the Winkey is not a requirement. It's just a much better keyer 
than the Elecraft keyer.

One chip and some extraneous parts...problem gone.


On 2/14/2017 9:53 AM, Chester Alderman wrote:

First, I admit to not understanding the problem! I do run QSK and VOX during
contest and during regular QRQ QSO's. With my K3/Alpha 9500 setup, I can run
full QSK CW up to 100 wpm and I have no PTT delay issues? I do not run with
PTT asserted and therefore I do not witness the issues other contesters
have.. As for N1MM's "poorly designed internal K3 keyer logic", I certainly
have to disagree with that comment. During 'normal' contest I operate from
28 to 40 wpm, full QSK and would go nuts if there were any perturbations
with my K3's keying.

A so called 'solution' to CW stuttering is to purchase and use the K1EL
keyer. The real problem is with Windows op system wherein the CPU is often
interrupted to do 'internal chores'; and when this happens, all I/O ports
are shut down, which causes the CW stutter. Simply turning off the Windows
generated sound, eliminates the stutter issue and the 'requirement' to
purchase the K1EL keyer.

73,
Tom - W4BQF



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Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 12:53 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: improved internal keyer and CW PTT
behavior

Okay, lets take Eric's lead and open an interesting thread directly related
to an excellent Elecraft product.



For years many of us have suffered with the odd behavior of the K3
in CW PTT mode. There are at least two inexplicble aspects of K3
CW PTT behavior that have forced many of us to use external
Winkeyers rather than the poorly designed internal K3 keyer logic
when the K3 is in CW PTT mode.


For CW contesters, its necessary to operate the K3 in PTT mode
to avoid unwanted VOX delay. But for some strange reason the
K3 always applies VOX delay after external PTT is unasserted.
I can think of no logical reason why VOX delay should be applied
at the end of the external PTT input when the K3 is PTT mode or
any other mode. When PTT is unasserted, the K3 should always
immediately return to receive mode, no exceptions.


When using the internal K3 keyer when in PTT mode, for some
inexplicable reason the K3 behaves like its in QSK mode. The
only way to avoid this is to use VOX rather than PTT mode or
to use a foot switch when in PTT mode. Both alternatives
are unacceptable.


The band aid solution many contesters use with excellent results
is to avoid using the internal K3 keyer and to use an external
K1EL Winkeyer that generates both a key output and a PTT
signal generated according to well designed Winkeyer CW PTT
logic.


Why can't the K3 implement logic similar to the Winkeyer to
generate the equivalent of "Winkeyer PTT" when using the K3
internal keyer when the K3 is in PTT mode?


73
Frank
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 with switching power supply??

2017-02-16 Thread Kevin

If the Astron ain't broke keep it. There would have to be a real good 
reason, like parts becoming unobtainable, for me to consider getting rid 
of my Astron. If they break they are dead simple to diagnose and fix and 
no chance of making noise like a switcher.



On 2/13/2017 12:51 PM, NOEL POULIN wrote:

Hi,
I am using a standard linear power supply with my new K3S.
Anyboy using the ELECRAFT SWITCHING POWER SUPPLY WITH THE K3S
I am on the way to change my old Astron RS35M power supply
Which one is better??Linear or Elecraft Switching power supply
Thanks
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Re: [Elecraft] Tech passing us by - was Re: Mouse-n-Click QSY

2017-02-16 Thread Wes Stewart

I have two re-programming macros, Split + 1 and No Split in Macro 1 and Macro 2 
respectively. in my K3S. In the radio these are assigned to PF1.  Hold PF1, go 
to Split; hold it again, cancel split.   Now, to avoid disasters, using the 
K-Pod, I must program both tap and hold of PF1 and PF2 respectively to split and 
cancel split.  So there are four functions tied up to do what I can do with one 
button push on the K3S.  To get back to one button, I've put radio PF1 on K-Pod 
PF3. Confusing, no?


IMHO, to fulfill its promise, the K-Pod should hold the macros and send them to 
the radio.  They should be programmable in the K-Pod via USB.


Wes  N7WS


 On 2/16/2017 12:12 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

Easier said than done; Hold the tap too long and it messes up the reprogramming 
macro.

It should not be a problem for Elecraft to expand the macro area to hold more 
macros,providing they had the foresight to use a chip with a larger programming 
space.

Point is there is room for improvement and either they keep up or they will be 
passed by.




   From: Don Wilhelm
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  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 1:43 PM

  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Tech passing us by - was Re: Mouse-n-Click QSY

Harry,


So use only 8 of them on your K-Pod - the other 8 can be used as
self-programming (just don't use the buttons relating to
self-programming buttons on the K-Pod unless you want to confuse
yourself by not knowing which state they are in).

The point is that 8 was sufficient in the past, I am just curious why
expanding the number to 16 would be a problem.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/16/2017 1:28 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

I am well aware that there are 16.

But since they are all assigned to the K-Pod they are no longer useful for self 
reprogramming Macros.




   From: Don Wilhelm
   To: Harry Yingst;"elecraft@mailman.qth.net"  

   Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 1:23 PM
   Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Tech passing us by - was Re: Mouse-n-Click QSY

Limited Macros ???

Just a bit of information:  The number of macros was 8.  It was
increased to 16 to support the number of buttons on the K-Pod.

Just because the K-Pod buttons can access the macros does not mean that
those macros are dedicated to the K-Pod.  The fact that they are stored
in the K3 allows them to be assigned to buttons as well or called up by
an external source other than the K-Pod.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/16/2017 11:50 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

On the K3 the limited number of macros and how the K-Pod uses all 16 of them 
leaving none left over for other purposes.  As I understand it a bit of that is 
due to the microcontroller having limited programming space but if that's the 
case then the K3s should have used a more modern chip that had a larger space 
and possibly a new replacement board available to the older K3 to update them 
(something I thought that the K3 was supposed to be 100% future-proofed but 
with apparently not).



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Re: [Elecraft] Mouse-n-Click QSY

2017-02-16 Thread Bill Frantz

Well, I used the starter motor on my car -- certainly a 
technological artifact -- this morning. I don't think there have 
been significant changes to the design of starter motors in my 
72 year lifetime. There have probably been incremental 
improvements in things like metallurgy and insulation, but the 
overall design remains the same.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 2/16/17 at 6:58 AM, elecraft@mailman.qth.net (Ed Schuller via 
Elecraft) wrote:


When was the last time you saw a tech product design unchanged 
for a decade?

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Re: [Elecraft] Mouse-n-Click QSY

2017-02-16 Thread Bill Frantz

Given the lag between the turning tuning knob and movement on 
the VGA display with the P3, there may be an issue with having 
the mouse cursor track with the mouse movement in a usable 
maner. I frequently move the frequency too far turning the knob 
and watching the VGA display.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 2/16/17 at 9:39 AM, j...@audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote:


On Thu,2/16/2017 9:26 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote:

When I see Elecraft dodge a trivial firmware change like this year after
year, I can’t help but wonder if they have ulterior motives.


Perhaps they know more about the limitations of the hardware 
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Re: [Elecraft] K-Pod Macros

2017-02-16 Thread Paul Van Dyke

As I sit and look at my station and my K-Pod, just remember Dayton is not
that far away, and Wayne, Eric and the rest of the crew have been very very
quiet. Remember they're very good at blowing people out of the water 
remember there was a radio that came out last year that caught everybody
flat-footed  .. esp the competition.

Paul KB9AVO

On Feb 16, 2017 3:28 PM, "Joe Stone (KF5WBO)" 
wrote:

> According to the manual, through a future firmware upgrade, the K-Pod will
> be
> able to function as a USB HID (Human Interface Device) such as a keyboard
> or
> mouse.  Conceivably, the eight K-Pod tap and hold switches could be mapped
> to 16 P3 / PX3 macros.  You could even implement three “banks” of 16 macros
> for a total of 48 K-Pod macros.  Of course, this assumes:  1. you have a P3
> equipped with the SVGA option or a PX3; 2. you’re not already using a
> keyboard in conjunction with your P3 / PX3 (this would require USB hub
> support); and 3. you haven’t already burned all 50 of your P3 / PX3 macros
> (unlikely).
>
> In a nutshell, I’m assuming if the K-Pod is to function as a USB HID
> keyboard, the tap and hold switches would correspond to standard keyboard
> keys (including combinations of Ctrl, Alt and Shift modifiers).  The keys
> would be assigned to macros on the P3 / PX3.  This wouldn’t require any
> change to the P3 / PX3.  The P3 / PX3 wouldn’t be able to differentiate the
> K-Pod from a keyboard (which it already supports).
>
> With a P3, the K-Pod knob could continue to control the K3s/K3 via the data
> connector.  With the PX3, the K-Pod knob would present itself as a mouse.
> Of course, this would require the beforementioned Mouse-n-Click QSY
> support.
> Alternatively, if you wanted the K-Pod knob to control the P3, the
> Mouse-n-Click QSY support could be leveraged there as well.
>
> Joe
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[Elecraft] Elecraft products

2017-02-16 Thread Alex Dokic via Elecraft

Hello to all Elecraft users, l have a K3S 100w with ATU installed and a P3 and 
would like to say that I am very happy with them, I have today picked up a SP3 
speaker to complement my station, it is just quality, a big thank you to Wayne 
and Eric ! 73 Alex M0KVA.

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[Elecraft] K-Pod Macros

According to the manual, through a future firmware upgrade, the K-Pod will be
able to function as a USB HID (Human Interface Device) such as a keyboard or
mouse.  Conceivably, the eight K-Pod tap and hold switches could be mapped
to 16 P3 / PX3 macros.  You could even implement three “banks” of 16 macros
for a total of 48 K-Pod macros.  Of course, this assumes:  1. you have a P3
equipped with the SVGA option or a PX3; 2. you’re not already using a
keyboard in conjunction with your P3 / PX3 (this would require USB hub
support); and 3. you haven’t already burned all 50 of your P3 / PX3 macros
(unlikely).

In a nutshell, I’m assuming if the K-Pod is to function as a USB HID
keyboard, the tap and hold switches would correspond to standard keyboard
keys (including combinations of Ctrl, Alt and Shift modifiers).  The keys
would be assigned to macros on the P3 / PX3.  This wouldn’t require any
change to the P3 / PX3.  The P3 / PX3 wouldn’t be able to differentiate the
K-Pod from a keyboard (which it already supports).

With a P3, the K-Pod knob could continue to control the K3s/K3 via the data
connector.  With the PX3, the K-Pod knob would present itself as a mouse. 
Of course, this would require the beforementioned Mouse-n-Click QSY support. 
Alternatively, if you wanted the K-Pod knob to control the P3, the
Mouse-n-Click QSY support could be leveraged there as well.

Joe
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: PC dependence - log book

2017-02-16 Thread Jim Rhodes

I would be interested in something like that, but the log file on the shack
computer has more than 30 years of logs on it. Not really wanting to clog
up my laptop with that, so I just do the adif thing with the portable logs
then import them to main log when I get home.

Jim Rhodes

On Feb 16, 2017 12:40 PM, "Dave Fugleberg"  wrote:

> Hamlog.
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 12:37 PM Harry Yingst via Elecraft <
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
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> > A quick google search for  - android tablet ham radio logbook
> >
> > brought up PicoLog that looks like it outputs to an ADIF file that can be
> > imported to your logbook, uploaded to LOTW etc
> >
> >
> >
> >   From: dw 
> >  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> >  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:45 PM
> >  Subject: [Elecraft] OT: PC dependence - log book
> >
> > This is an off topic question
> > Does anyone know of a good solution for electronic device having
> > synchronized copy of current log?
> > Perhaps for mobile CW operation?
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] Mouse-n-Click QSY

For a moment it sounded like the K-Pod was being criticized

[js] I didn’t mean to criticize the K-Pod.  I’m simply speculating as to why
Elecraft hasn’t added P3 / PX3 mouse support.

[js] Last time I checked, the K-Pod isn’t capable of functioning as a mouse
(and keyboard).  However, according to the K-Pod manual, this support is
planned.

[js] I’m willing to concede Elecraft may simply be too busy.  However, the
need for Mouse-n-Click QSY has been raised every few months for years.  And
it’s a trivial firmware change.  I think there’s something more to it.

I am thankful not to be tied to a PC!!!

[js] Same here!!!  Hence, the desire for P3 / PX3 mouse support *without*
the need for a PC.

Perhaps they know more about the limitations of the hardware that stand in
the way of implementing a feature you want.

[js] My point exactly (second paragraph).  Let’s capture their knowledge of
the limitations (e.g., memory, MIPS, ...) in conjunction with the feature
request.  Case closed.



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Re: [Elecraft] Mouse-n-Click QSY

2017-02-16 Thread David Gilbert



When I read posts like this (both tone and content) I can't help 
wondering a lot of things.  Probably not the same things you wonder 
about, though.


Dave   Ab7E


On 2/16/2017 10:26 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote:

When I see Elecraft dodge a trivial firmware change like this year after
year, I can’t help but wonder if they have ulterior motives.  Maybe Elecraft
plans to introduce a $250 wired remote control knob.  Maybe they hope
someday the knob will control the P3 / PX3.  Maybe they feel adding a few
lines of firmware to enable a $5 wireless mouse will impact the sales of
their $250 knob.  Maybe they’re just busy.  When they don’t respond to a
feature request, it leaves us guessing.

This brings me back to my previous thread.  We need a more structured
approach to tracking Elecraft feature requests (and bugs).  We need a record
of when Mouse-n-Click QSY was first proposed.  Elecraft can come back and
say, “The P3 / PX3 is out of firmware memory space.”  Or, “The P3 / PX3
doesn’t have the MIPS to sample IQ, process the 1024-point FFT, update the
displays (spectrum and waterfall), field remote-control commands, … AND
position a marker based on the delta-X field in a mouse HID descriptor”.
This disposition will be captured along with the feature request in a
central repository for everyone to see, now and forever.   In another month
or two when someone requests Mouse-n-Click QSY, we can simply refer them to
the (now closed) feature request.  Ideally, they’d search the feature / bug
list first.

Clearly, Elecraft isn’t interested in maintaining / exposing a list of
features and defects raised by their user community.  I’ve received several
offers from members willing to host this list.  We should have something up
and running in a few weeks.

Joe
KF5WBO




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Re: [Elecraft] Tech passing us by - was Re: Mouse-n-Click QSY

Easier said than done; Hold the tap too long and it messes up the reprogramming 
macro.

It should not be a problem for Elecraft to expand the macro area to hold more 
macros,providing they had the foresight to use a chip with a larger programming 
space.

Point is there is room for improvement and either they keep up or they will be 
passed by.




  From: Don Wilhelm 
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 1:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Tech passing us by - was Re: Mouse-n-Click QSY
   
Harry,

So use only 8 of them on your K-Pod - the other 8 can be used as 
self-programming (just don't use the buttons relating to 
self-programming buttons on the K-Pod unless you want to confuse 
yourself by not knowing which state they are in).

The point is that 8 was sufficient in the past, I am just curious why 
expanding the number to 16 would be a problem.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/16/2017 1:28 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> I am well aware that there are 16.
>
> But since they are all assigned to the K-Pod they are no longer useful for 
> self reprogramming Macros.
>
>
>
>
>      From: Don Wilhelm 
>  To: Harry Yingst ; "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
>
>  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 1:23 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Tech passing us by - was Re: Mouse-n-Click QSY
>
> Limited Macros ???
>
> Just a bit of information:  The number of macros was 8.  It was
> increased to 16 to support the number of buttons on the K-Pod.
>
> Just because the K-Pod buttons can access the macros does not mean that
> those macros are dedicated to the K-Pod.  The fact that they are stored
> in the K3 allows them to be assigned to buttons as well or called up by
> an external source other than the K-Pod.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 2/16/2017 11:50 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>> On the K3 the limited number of macros and how the K-Pod uses all 16 of them 
>> leaving none left over for other purposes.  As I understand it a bit of that 
>> is due to the microcontroller having limited programming space but if that's 
>> the case then the K3s should have used a more modern chip that had a larger 
>> space and possibly a new replacement board available to the older K3 to 
>> update them (something I thought that the K3 was supposed to be 100% 
>> future-proofed but with apparently not).
>>
>
>
>
>
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[Elecraft] Mayday K3 no receive power output solved

2017-02-16 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett

Z3 board came loose and probably damaged. Removed and soldered a jumper
re Elecraft support. We have power.

Nothing on receive yet. Triple checking on the tmp cables etc as I have
had the radio apart many times.

AGC, pre amp seem to have no effect. Receive on the xvter board is also
dead.

W0MU

On 2/16/2017 10:00 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote:

Ken,

first-aid idea (as you said both RXs dead and Cal failed...) :

1. Turn ON K3
2. On the K3 front panel, hold CONFIG menu and turn tech mode on (CONFIG:
TECH MD ON).
3. Tap MENU to exit the menu and then tap DISP on the K3 front panel.
4. Rotate the VFO B knob to display SYN1 in the VFO B area of the display.
You should see the
status OK. the same for SYN2 status OK after...

If there is no OK status of both synths then check the all TMP coax cables
from and to the synths boards and check if synths boards seats well in the
multi-pins headers...

73 - Petr, OK1RP

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Re: [Elecraft] Mouse-n-Click QSY

2017-02-16 Thread Bill

The Kenwood TS-480 has been around as long. Although it is low priced, 
it is by no means junk and there are thousands of very happy owners - 
self included.


Bill W2BLC  K-Line

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Re: [Elecraft] Tech passing us by - was Re: Mouse-n-Click QSY


Harry,

So use only 8 of them on your K-Pod - the other 8 can be used as 
self-programming (just don't use the buttons relating to 
self-programming buttons on the K-Pod unless you want to confuse 
yourself by not knowing which state they are in).


The point is that 8 was sufficient in the past, I am just curious why 
expanding the number to 16 would be a problem.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/16/2017 1:28 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

I am well aware that there are 16.

But since they are all assigned to the K-Pod they are no longer useful for self 
reprogramming Macros.




  From: Don Wilhelm 
 To: Harry Yingst ; "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 

 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 1:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Tech passing us by - was Re: Mouse-n-Click QSY

Limited Macros ???

Just a bit of information:  The number of macros was 8.  It was
increased to 16 to support the number of buttons on the K-Pod.

Just because the K-Pod buttons can access the macros does not mean that
those macros are dedicated to the K-Pod.  The fact that they are stored
in the K3 allows them to be assigned to buttons as well or called up by
an external source other than the K-Pod.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/16/2017 11:50 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

On the K3 the limited number of macros and how the K-Pod uses all 16 of them 
leaving none left over for other purposes.  As I understand it a bit of that is 
due to the microcontroller having limited programming space but if that's the 
case then the K3s should have used a more modern chip that had a larger space 
and possibly a new replacement board available to the older K3 to update them 
(something I thought that the K3 was supposed to be 100% future-proofed but 
with apparently not).






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Re: [Elecraft] OT: PC dependence - log book

2017-02-16 Thread Dave Fugleberg

Hamlog.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 12:37 PM Harry Yingst via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> A quick google search for  - android tablet ham radio logbook
>
> brought up PicoLog that looks like it outputs to an ADIF file that can be
> imported to your logbook, uploaded to LOTW etc
>
>
>
>   From: dw 
>  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:45 PM
>  Subject: [Elecraft] OT: PC dependence - log book
>
> This is an off topic question
> Does anyone know of a good solution for electronic device having
> synchronized copy of current log?
> Perhaps for mobile CW operation?
>
> TNX!
> N1BBR :-]
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: PC dependence - log book

A quick google search for  - android tablet ham radio logbook

brought up PicoLog that looks like it outputs to an ADIF file that can be 
imported to your logbook, uploaded to LOTW etc



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 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:45 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: PC dependence - log book
   
This is an off topic question
Does anyone know of a good solution for electronic device having
synchronized copy of current log?
Perhaps for mobile CW operation?

TNX!
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Re: [Elecraft] Tech passing us by - was Re: Mouse-n-Click QSY

I am well aware that there are 16.

But since they are all assigned to the K-Pod they are no longer useful for self 
reprogramming Macros.

  From: Don Wilhelm 
 To: Harry Yingst ; "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 

 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 1:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Tech passing us by - was Re: Mouse-n-Click QSY

Limited Macros ???

Just a bit of information:  The number of macros was 8.  It was 
increased to 16 to support the number of buttons on the K-Pod.

Just because the K-Pod buttons can access the macros does not mean that 
those macros are dedicated to the K-Pod.  The fact that they are stored 
in the K3 allows them to be assigned to buttons as well or called up by 
an external source other than the K-Pod.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/16/2017 11:50 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> On the K3 the limited number of macros and how the K-Pod uses all 16 of them 
> leaving none left over for other purposes.  As I understand it a bit of that 
> is due to the microcontroller having limited programming space but if that's 
> the case then the K3s should have used a more modern chip that had a larger 
> space and possibly a new replacement board available to the older K3 to 
> update them (something I thought that the K3 was supposed to be 100% 
> future-proofed but with apparently not).
>

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Re: [Elecraft] Tech passing us by - was Re: Mouse-n-Click QSY


Limited Macros ???

Just a bit of information:  The number of macros was 8.  It was 
increased to 16 to support the number of buttons on the K-Pod.


Just because the K-Pod buttons can access the macros does not mean that 
those macros are dedicated to the K-Pod.  The fact that they are stored 
in the K3 allows them to be assigned to buttons as well or called up by 
an external source other than the K-Pod.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/16/2017 11:50 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

On the K3 the limited number of macros and how the K-Pod uses all 16 of them 
leaving none left over for other purposes.  As I understand it a bit of that is 
due to the microcontroller having limited programming space but if that's the 
case then the K3s should have used a more modern chip that had a larger space 
and possibly a new replacement board available to the older K3 to update them 
(something I thought that the K3 was supposed to be 100% future-proofed but 
with apparently not).



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Re: [Elecraft] Mouse-n-Click QSY

Elecraft is a business, I believe some erroneously elevate them to near god 
like status.

I choose to spend my money (that represents hours of my life in labor) with 
business I believe are worth while.  As long as Elecraft stays in-tune with 
their customers I will continue to spend my money with them.If they fail at 
delivering I will simply move onto the next vendor who is willing and able to 
deliver.  
Business is business plain and simple.






  From: GRANT YOUNGMAN 
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 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mouse-n-Click QSY
   
> 
> When I see Elecraft dodge a trivial firmware change like this year after
> year, I can’t help but wonder if they have ulterior motives.  Maybe Elecraft
> plans to introduce a $250 wired remote control knob.  Maybe they hope
> someday the knob will control the P3 / PX3.  Maybe they feel adding a few
> … 

1.  Elecraft is not our mother/wife/husband/caretaker

2.  Most likely, the resources are consumed by work on the K3/K3s follow-on 
radio which may sport many of these features.  I’d be very surprised to see 
much in the way of significant new updates to the K3/s and accessories.  But, 
of course,  I’d be happy to be surprised ...

3.  A deep breath is probably in order.

:-)

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342



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Re: [Elecraft] Mouse-n-Click QSY

2017-02-16 Thread Ken G Kopp

Well-said, Doug! 

Ken - K0PP

On Feb 16, 2017 10:39, "Doug Turnbull"  wrote:

> Dear OMs and YLs,
>  To me this is harsh indeed.   Who provides better service for the Ham
> Radio community?   Do we think that we are the directors of Elecraft?
> For
> a moment it sounded like the K-Pod was being criticised - well this is
> worth
> a lot to me and I have one on each of my K3 radios.   Elecraft, I am still
> a
> very happy camper when it comes to your product line, service and
> accessibility.   Clearly it is hard to please us all and I imagine these
> critical e-mails stimulate further design ideas.
>
>  I am thankful not to be tied to a PC!!!  It will become obsolete.
>  Not
> many such radios will make it into the Steam Radio Category still being
> used
> after twenty let alone fifty years.
>
>  Well that is my 2 cents.It just surprises me to hear such
> virulence
> directed towards an amazing group of engineers with a first class company.
>
>73 Doug EI2CN
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe
> Stone (KF5WBO)
> Sent: 16 February 2017 17:26
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mouse-n-Click QSY
>
> When I see Elecraft dodge a trivial firmware change like this year after
> year, I can't help but wonder if they have ulterior motives.  Maybe
> Elecraft
> plans to introduce a $250 wired remote control knob.  Maybe they hope
> someday the knob will control the P3 / PX3.  Maybe they feel adding a few
> lines of firmware to enable a $5 wireless mouse will impact the sales of
> their $250 knob.  Maybe they're just busy.  When they don't respond to a
> feature request, it leaves us guessing.
>
> This brings me back to my previous thread.  We need a more structured
> approach to tracking Elecraft feature requests (and bugs).  We need a
> record
> of when Mouse-n-Click QSY was first proposed.  Elecraft can come back and
> say, "The P3 / PX3 is out of firmware memory space."  Or, "The P3 / PX3
> doesn't have the MIPS to sample IQ, process the 1024-point FFT, update the
> displays (spectrum and waterfall), field remote-control commands, . AND
> position a marker based on the delta-X field in a mouse HID descriptor".
> This disposition will be captured along with the feature request in a
> central repository for everyone to see, now and forever.   In another month
> or two when someone requests Mouse-n-Click QSY, we can simply refer them to
> the (now closed) feature request.  Ideally, they'd search the feature / bug
> list first.
>
> Clearly, Elecraft isn't interested in maintaining / exposing a list of
> features and defects raised by their user community.  I've received several
> offers from members willing to host this list.  We should have something up
> and running in a few weeks.
>
> Joe
> KF5WBO
>
>
>
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[Elecraft] R: Re: Mouse-n-Click QSY

2017-02-16 Thread glcazz...@alice.it

Well said Doug! I agreeIan IK4EWX




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Da: turnb...@net1.ie
Data: 16-feb-2017 18.39
A: "'Joe Stone (KF5WBO)'", 
Ogg: Re: [Elecraft] Mouse-n-Click QSY

Dear OMs and YLs,
 To me this is harsh indeed.   Who provides better service for the Ham
Radio community?   Do we think that we are the directors of Elecraft?For
a moment it sounded like the K-Pod was being criticised - well this is worth
a lot to me and I have one on each of my K3 radios.   Elecraft, I am still a
very happy camper when it comes to your product line, service and
accessibility.   Clearly it is hard to please us all and I imagine these
critical e-mails stimulate further design ideas.

 I am thankful not to be tied to a PC!!!  It will become obsolete.   Not
many such radios will make it into the Steam Radio Category still being used
after twenty let alone fifty years.  

 Well that is my 2 cents.It just surprises me to hear such virulence
directed towards an amazing group of engineers with a first class company.

   73 Doug EI2CN  

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Stone (KF5WBO)
Sent: 16 February 2017 17:26
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mouse-n-Click QSY

When I see Elecraft dodge a trivial firmware change like this year after
year, I can't help but wonder if they have ulterior motives.  Maybe Elecraft
plans to introduce a $250 wired remote control knob.  Maybe they hope
someday the knob will control the P3 / PX3.  Maybe they feel adding a few
lines of firmware to enable a $5 wireless mouse will impact the sales of
their $250 knob.  Maybe they're just busy.  When they don't respond to a
feature request, it leaves us guessing.

This brings me back to my previous thread.  We need a more structured
approach to tracking Elecraft feature requests (and bugs).  We need a record
of when Mouse-n-Click QSY was first proposed.  Elecraft can come back and
say, "The P3 / PX3 is out of firmware memory space."  Or, "The P3 / PX3
doesn't have the MIPS to sample IQ, process the 1024-point FFT, update the
displays (spectrum and waterfall), field remote-control commands, . AND
position a marker based on the delta-X field in a mouse HID descriptor". 
This disposition will be captured along with the feature request in a
central repository for everyone to see, now and forever.   In another month
or two when someone requests Mouse-n-Click QSY, we can simply refer them to
the (now closed) feature request.  Ideally, they'd search the feature / bug
list first.

Clearly, Elecraft isn't interested in maintaining / exposing a list of
features and defects raised by their user community.  I've received several
offers from members willing to host this list.  We should have something up
and running in a few weeks.

Joe
KF5WBO



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[Elecraft] OT: PC dependence - log book

2017-02-16 Thread dw

This is an off topic question
Does anyone know of a good solution for electronic device having
synchronized copy of current log?
Perhaps for mobile CW operation?

TNX!
N1BBR :-]
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[Elecraft] R: Mouse-n-Click QSY

2017-02-16 Thread glcazz...@alice.it

One year ago I bought a new K3S with P3, K-POD, SP3 and 500 and 200hz filters. 
I bought it becouse I dont needed a bell and whistles rig but a solid radio 
with great CW rx performance and tx with great qsk, for dx-ing, contesting and 
ragchewing.It satisfie all my needs.I would like only a better noise blanker 
and noise reduction - and I hope in next firmware releases for improvement of 
them.Otherwise it is perfect.Take note that those that prefer US radios want 
exactly this kind of radio.And accept their spartan style :)Those that want lot 
of gadgets, usuale opt for a jap radio, Icom-Yaesu-Kenwood, I think.Ian IK4EWX

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Da: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Data: 16-feb-2017 15.58
A: 
Ogg: [Elecraft] Mouse-n-Click QSY

This is just what I was thinking about. If you can prove the concept, I see no 
reason as to why Elecraft can't build this into the P3. The K3 is now 10 years 
old; while the performance is certainly there, the basic design is now long in 
the tooth. When was the last time you saw a tech product design unchanged for a 
decade? I realize we have had software updates and internal improvements, but 
the outward appearance and basic function has be stagnant. This at least would 
offer operational functionality and a small step into current design. Don't get 
me wrong - I love my K3. But we are slowly watching tech design pass us by 
(color screen, touch control, etc).

73,
Ed K6CTA

Joe Stone wrote:

>>>Let's assume Paul Saffren delivers >>>Mouse-n-Click QSY support with the 
>>next P3 / PX3 firmware release. What >>>else would you like the mouse to 
>>>do >>>other than QSY the rig's VFO frequency?  >>>I demonstrated 
>>>Mouse-n-Click QSY with >>>an Elecraft PX3 and KX3 almost 18 >>>months ago.

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Re: [Elecraft] Mouse-n-Click QSY

2017-02-16 Thread GRANT YOUNGMAN

> 
> When I see Elecraft dodge a trivial firmware change like this year after
> year, I can’t help but wonder if they have ulterior motives.  Maybe Elecraft
> plans to introduce a $250 wired remote control knob.  Maybe they hope
> someday the knob will control the P3 / PX3.  Maybe they feel adding a few
> … 

1.  Elecraft is not our mother/wife/husband/caretaker

2.  Most likely, the resources are consumed by work on the K3/K3s follow-on 
radio which may sport many of these features.  I’d be very surprised to see 
much in the way of significant new updates to the K3/s and accessories.  But, 
of course,  I’d be happy to be surprised ...

3.  A deep breath is probably in order.

:-)

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342



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Re: [Elecraft] Mouse-n-Click QSY

2017-02-16 Thread Jim Brown


On Thu,2/16/2017 9:26 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) wrote:

When I see Elecraft dodge a trivial firmware change like this year after
year, I can’t help but wonder if they have ulterior motives.


Perhaps they know more about the limitations of the hardware that stand 
in the way of implementing a feature you want.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Mouse-n-Click QSY

2017-02-16 Thread Doug Turnbull

Dear OMs and YLs,
 To me this is harsh indeed.   Who provides better service for the Ham
Radio community?   Do we think that we are the directors of Elecraft?For
a moment it sounded like the K-Pod was being criticised - well this is worth
a lot to me and I have one on each of my K3 radios.   Elecraft, I am still a
very happy camper when it comes to your product line, service and
accessibility.   Clearly it is hard to please us all and I imagine these
critical e-mails stimulate further design ideas.

 I am thankful not to be tied to a PC!!!  It will become obsolete.   Not
many such radios will make it into the Steam Radio Category still being used
after twenty let alone fifty years.  

 Well that is my 2 cents.It just surprises me to hear such virulence
directed towards an amazing group of engineers with a first class company.

   73 Doug EI2CN  

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Stone (KF5WBO)
Sent: 16 February 2017 17:26
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mouse-n-Click QSY

When I see Elecraft dodge a trivial firmware change like this year after
year, I can't help but wonder if they have ulterior motives.  Maybe Elecraft
plans to introduce a $250 wired remote control knob.  Maybe they hope
someday the knob will control the P3 / PX3.  Maybe they feel adding a few
lines of firmware to enable a $5 wireless mouse will impact the sales of
their $250 knob.  Maybe they're just busy.  When they don't respond to a
feature request, it leaves us guessing.

This brings me back to my previous thread.  We need a more structured
approach to tracking Elecraft feature requests (and bugs).  We need a record
of when Mouse-n-Click QSY was first proposed.  Elecraft can come back and
say, "The P3 / PX3 is out of firmware memory space."  Or, "The P3 / PX3
doesn't have the MIPS to sample IQ, process the 1024-point FFT, update the
displays (spectrum and waterfall), field remote-control commands, . AND
position a marker based on the delta-X field in a mouse HID descriptor". 
This disposition will be captured along with the feature request in a
central repository for everyone to see, now and forever.   In another month
or two when someone requests Mouse-n-Click QSY, we can simply refer them to
the (now closed) feature request.  Ideally, they'd search the feature / bug
list first.

Clearly, Elecraft isn't interested in maintaining / exposing a list of
features and defects raised by their user community.  I've received several
offers from members willing to host this list.  We should have something up
and running in a few weeks.

Joe
KF5WBO



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Re: [Elecraft] Mouse-n-Click QSY

When I see Elecraft dodge a trivial firmware change like this year after
year, I can’t help but wonder if they have ulterior motives.  Maybe Elecraft
plans to introduce a $250 wired remote control knob.  Maybe they hope
someday the knob will control the P3 / PX3.  Maybe they feel adding a few
lines of firmware to enable a $5 wireless mouse will impact the sales of
their $250 knob.  Maybe they’re just busy.  When they don’t respond to a
feature request, it leaves us guessing.

This brings me back to my previous thread.  We need a more structured
approach to tracking Elecraft feature requests (and bugs).  We need a record
of when Mouse-n-Click QSY was first proposed.  Elecraft can come back and
say, “The P3 / PX3 is out of firmware memory space.”  Or, “The P3 / PX3
doesn’t have the MIPS to sample IQ, process the 1024-point FFT, update the
displays (spectrum and waterfall), field remote-control commands, … AND
position a marker based on the delta-X field in a mouse HID descriptor”. 
This disposition will be captured along with the feature request in a
central repository for everyone to see, now and forever.   In another month
or two when someone requests Mouse-n-Click QSY, we can simply refer them to
the (now closed) feature request.  Ideally, they’d search the feature / bug
list first.

Clearly, Elecraft isn’t interested in maintaining / exposing a list of
features and defects raised by their user community.  I’ve received several
offers from members willing to host this list.  We should have something up
and running in a few weeks.

Joe
KF5WBO



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