[Elecraft] No Tx audio after WSJT upgrade

2020-09-11 Thread W8JH
I was working FT8 tonight and decided to upgrade from WSJT 2.0 to the latest
2.2. 

Now I have no audio on transmit. All other functions work. Decodes, band
change etc. 

It puts the K3s in transmit but no audio. I have adjusted the Mic gain
without effect. 

I double checked that WSJT has the K3s codec for transmit selected.  Windoze
shows it working as well. 

I’m totally stumped and wish I hadn’t upgraded now. Any ideas how to proceed
?

73,



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73,

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[Elecraft] K3S Fault 9?

2020-09-11 Thread Mike Dodd
Trying to work the WAE SSB contest this evening, my KPA500 and KAT500 
showed high SWR. When I hit TUNE on the K3s the KAT tuned OK, but a 
couple of times the K3s displayed FAULT 9.


I looked through the K3s docs, and I didn't find any reference to faults.

Can someone point me in the right direction to track down this problem?

Thanks.

Mike N4CF
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Re: [Elecraft] Update on K4 manuals

2020-09-11 Thread Paul Van Dyke
Ya got to watch for the staples!!

  Grinning

Paul KB9AVO

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 8:08 PM Jim Brown  wrote:

> On 9/11/2020 1:48 PM, Ed Pflueger wrote:
> > What am I going to take to the outhouse to read?
>
> Back is WV where I grew up it was known as "the catalog department,"
> where the older (and less desirable ) catalogs served a function other
> than reading.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Update on K4 manuals

2020-09-11 Thread Jim Brown

On 9/11/2020 1:48 PM, Ed Pflueger wrote:

What am I going to take to the outhouse to read?


Back is WV where I grew up it was known as "the catalog department," 
where the older (and less desirable ) catalogs served a function other 
than reading.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 -- Spectral subtraction noise reduction

2020-09-11 Thread John Stengrevics
And, it will work on digital modes.

John
WA1EAZ

> On Sep 11, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Grant Youngman  wrote:
> 
> You can’t really compare an NIR-12 to a more current implementation.  The 
> KiwiSDR algorithm runs on a BeagleBone processor with virtually no 
> discernible artifacts.  The artifacts were the achilles heel of the NIR-12.  
> I had one for a while.  Never liked it.
> 
> Presuming Elecraft delivers what they have said they’re working on, it will 
> be a great addition to the radio.
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> 
>> On Sep 11, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Spectral subtraction was used in the JPS noise reduction units long ago. I 
>> still have my NIR-12. 
>> 
>> Tom W4KX
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad 
>> 
>>> On Sep 11, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Wes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://www.rtl-sdr.com/forum-talk-videos-from-hamvention-2017/ 51 minutes 
>>> in.
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 -- Spectral subtraction noise reduction

2020-09-11 Thread Grant Youngman
You can’t really compare an NIR-12 to a more current implementation.  The 
KiwiSDR algorithm runs on a BeagleBone processor with virtually no discernible 
artifacts.  The artifacts were the achilles heel of the NIR-12.  I had one for 
a while.  Never liked it.

Presuming Elecraft delivers what they have said they’re working on, it will be 
a great addition to the radio.

Grant NQ5T

> On Sep 11, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Spectral subtraction was used in the JPS noise reduction units long ago. I 
> still have my NIR-12. 
> 
> Tom W4KX
> 
> Sent from my iPad 
> 
>> On Sep 11, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Wes  wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.rtl-sdr.com/forum-talk-videos-from-hamvention-2017/ 51 minutes 
>> in.
>> 

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 -- Spectral subtraction noise reduction

2020-09-11 Thread Tom Doligalski via Elecraft
Spectral subtraction was used in the JPS noise reduction units long ago. I 
still have my NIR-12. 

Tom W4KX

Sent from my iPad 

> On Sep 11, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Wes  wrote:
> 
> https://www.rtl-sdr.com/forum-talk-videos-from-hamvention-2017/ 51 minutes 
> in.
> 
> Wes N7WS
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/11/2020 6:32 AM, Kurt Pawlikowski wrote:
>> Grant,
>> 
>> You peaked my interest. I attempted to find examples of spectral 
>> subtraction and only found talks about it (no audio examples). Would you 
>> happen to know where I might find some examples? Maybe comparing results 
>> between several noise reduction methods?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> kurtt WB9FMC
>> 
>>> On 9/10/2020 11:19 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
>>> I’ve recently been exploring quite a few of the many SDR receivers on 
>>> KiwiSDR.  One of the (many) features of this system is an option to select 
>>> spectral subtraction NR.
>>> 
>>> I’m now really hyped about the fact that this will be available at some 
>>> point on the K4.  It works exceptionally well.  So well, that I leave it 
>>> turned on most of the time.  Often, stations you can barely copy down in 
>>> the junk literally pop up out of the noise.  Don’t know if this will be 
>>> available at initial shipment, but it’s certainly something to look forward 
>>> to if not.  I’ve only tried it on AM and SSB at this point, so not sure 
>>> about CW.
>>> 
>>> Just something else to whet the appetite for that eventual “you’re up” 
>>> email from Elecraft sales …  :)
>>> 
>>> Grant NQ5T
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Re: [Elecraft] Update on K4 manuals

2020-09-11 Thread Ed Pflueger
Does that mean there will be no hard bound manual?  The last Ice storm we
had in W. KY we had no internet for 28 days at least at my house and others
was longer.  What am I going to take to the outhouse to read?  LOL

Ed.. AB4IQ

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:28 PM
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Subject: [Elecraft] Update on K4 manuals

I thought I'd post an update given the many questions on this topic. I'm the
bottleneck on documentation, something that wasn't supposed to happen,
but...stuff happened. No need to rehash that.

There are three major documents in the works:

1. K4 Built-In Operating Manual

This is an .html document normally viewed on the K4's LCD or external
monitor. You get to it by tapping the button labeled "?" in the
lower-left-hand corner of the LCD.

For review purposes the doc can be viewed in any browser. And in fact, late
next week we'll be looking for a few hardy volunteers who don't mind going
through 60 pages of text, trying every link. 

In the radio context, the operating manual is supplemented by direct
hyperlinks attached to every control and menu entry. There's a "LAST
CONTROL" button that takes you directly to text most closely associated with
the last operation performed.

2. K4 Owner's Manual 

Because of its multitude of full-color illustrations, the owner's manual
will be 150-200 pages when finished. It'll be a fully searchable and indexed
.pdf file, and two steps up from our earlier manuals. Early K4 users have
been using a much smaller document that has many of the same illustrations.

The built-in operating manual provides the framework for the owner's manual,
so I expect rapid progress on the latter as soon as the former is blessed.

3. K4 Programmer's Reference

An early draft of this doc has been in use by a our team and by a few
developers who have been vetting it for us. Many of the apps available for
the K3/K3S are already working with the K4 in emulation mode. But we're
trying to expedite the public version of the reference so developers can
take advantage of all of the new features.

* * *

If you have specific questions about the K4 documentation that I didn't
answer above, feel free to post them to the list, or to email me directly
(though I have a feeling my inbox is about to become more popular than
usual, so I can't guarantee I'll get back to you instantly).

As usual, thanks for your patience. 

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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[Elecraft] K2 VCO shield kits for sale in EU

2020-09-11 Thread Vicenç via Elecraft
Just bought two of those brand new kits from Chris, G4BUE, but when I
received them I realised that they are surplus to my needs. ( I am not
going to add them to my K2s).
They are available FS.
Please contact me off list.

72/73 de Vicenç, EA3ADV
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Re: [Elecraft] test again

2020-09-11 Thread Jim H via Elecraft
Hi You made it through the reflector. However please use text not anything else 
Also please include your name and call.73Jim H  k7sss  In a message dated 
9/11/2020 11:36:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, elecraft@mailman.qth.net writes: 
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[Elecraft] test

2020-09-11 Thread Vicenç via Elecraft


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[Elecraft] test again

2020-09-11 Thread Vicenç via Elecraft


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[Elecraft] Test

2020-09-11 Thread Vicenç via Elecraft


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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A Very Quiet Day

2020-09-11 Thread Fred Jensen
I grew up in So Central Los Angeles, 1/2 block from one of the original 
2-circuit 230 KV transmission lines from Hoover Dam.  Several times a 
year, LA DWP came around with a tank truck and coupled it to a pipe 
running up the tower.  A guy climbed a ladder inside the tower, hooked 
up a nozzle at each of the three phases, and blew a water/air mixture at 
the insulators. then they moved on to the next tower.  My noise level 
always declined about an S-unit after the bath.


Often though, the problems aren't the insulators themselves but loose 
hardware on the pole that create micro-arcing.  Rain sometimes makes 
that noise worse, and wind really can.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/11/2020 10:00 AM, Phil Kane wrote:

On 9/10/2020 4:19 PM, David Gilbert wrote:


Malaysia gets a lot of rain, things are wet much of the time, and back
then (at least 30 years ago) many of the electrical insulators on the
overhead power lines were dirty with pollution.  I could see constant
arcing across dozens of insulators.

Yet one of the "cures" of QRM from electrical lines is to wash the
insulators.  Many large utilities have a specialized vehicle for that.
We have buried utilities here so there's no insulators to wash

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402



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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A Very Quiet Day

2020-09-11 Thread Phil Kane
On 9/10/2020 4:19 PM, David Gilbert wrote:

> Malaysia gets a lot of rain, things are wet much of the time, and back
> then (at least 30 years ago) many of the electrical insulators on the
> overhead power lines were dirty with pollution.  I could see constant
> arcing across dozens of insulators.

Yet one of the "cures" of QRM from electrical lines is to wash the
insulators.  Many large utilities have a specialized vehicle for that.
We have buried utilities here so there's no insulators to wash

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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[Elecraft] FS K3S with P3

2020-09-11 Thread Ron Durie
My K3S  SN:10684  Has every option installed, except the 2meter module.  It
has also been upgraded by Elecraft for improved Transmit IMD.  
Original owner; non-smoker; Latest Firmware; and in like new condition.  No
scratches or even smudges.  Even the knobs are new.  
Includes connecting cables; manuals; and the original Elecraft K3S shipping
box with foam support.  
A picture of this rig is on my QRZ page.  This is the 4th K3 series that I
have built.  

Also, my P3 SN:2710  With SVGA option & Wattmeter option.  Original owner
and also in like new condition.  
In my opinion this is the most accurate spectrum monitor on the market
today.  
All Connector Pins (on both units) have been treated with Caig DeOxit
solution for reliable performance. 

Total package price:  $3395.00 shipped to CONUS.  
My Email:  WB4OOA at gmail.com

Ron Durie
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 -- Spectral subtraction noise reduction

2020-09-11 Thread Wes

https://www.rtl-sdr.com/forum-talk-videos-from-hamvention-2017/ 51 minutes in.

Wes N7WS



On 9/11/2020 6:32 AM, Kurt Pawlikowski wrote:

Grant,

    You peaked my interest. I attempted to find examples of spectral 
subtraction and only found talks about it (no audio examples). Would you 
happen to know where I might find some examples? Maybe comparing results 
between several noise reduction methods?


    Thanks!

    kurtt WB9FMC

On 9/10/2020 11:19 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
I’ve recently been exploring quite a few of the many SDR receivers on 
KiwiSDR.  One of the (many) features of this system is an option to select 
spectral subtraction NR.


I’m now really hyped about the fact that this will be available at some point 
on the K4.  It works exceptionally well.  So well, that I leave it turned on 
most of the time.  Often, stations you can barely copy down in the junk 
literally pop up out of the noise.  Don’t know if this will be available at 
initial shipment, but it’s certainly something to look forward to if not.  
I’ve only tried it on AM and SSB at this point, so not sure about CW.


Just something else to whet the appetite for that eventual “you’re up” email 
from Elecraft sales …  :)


Grant NQ5T
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Re: [Elecraft] KV5J's line of Digital Displays for Elecraft's W2, KXPA100, KPA500, and KPA1500

2020-09-11 Thread Keith Ennis via Elecraft
Bill looking for a display for his KPA1500 from Utah, your email keeps 
bouncing.  Please email me again.

Keith






On Monday, August 31, 2020, 05:03:40 PM CDT, Keith Ennis  
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Back on line and have units in stock after hurricane Laura.

www.kv5j.com

Keith, KV5J






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Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's W2 Watt Meter:
  
With the digital read out the DDU takes the guess work out of the LED lights.
  
 
Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KXPA100 amplifier:
  
Don't wait for a fault light to come on.  Keep an eye on 5 crucial readings at 
all times.
1. Power amplifier's heat sink temperature
2. Power amplifier's high voltage supply voltage
3. Power amplifier's current
4. Power amplifier's output power
5. SWR that the KXPA100 sees at its output
  
 
Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KPA500 amplifier:
  
Instead of seeing only 1 crucial reading, monitor 5 at all times.
1. Power amplifier's heat sink temperature
2. Power amplifier's high voltage supply voltage
3. Power amplifier's current
4. Power amplifier's output power
5. SWR that the KPA500 sees at its output
  
 
Digital Display Unit for Elecraft's KPA1500 amplifier:
  
Displays the same display that is on the KPA1500 Amplifier 
Change the display on the KPA1500 and the DDU changes
  
 
All of the Digital Display Units:
  
Display Unit can be located at a more visible location
Up to the RS232 limit from unit
Easy to read 2 line display
No USB or serial cable to computer
No com port in Windows to manage
No computer needed
Plug and Play
Simply connect the SUPPLIED dc power cable (with inline on/off switch) from the 
DDU to power supply and SUPPLIED XCVR SERIAL data jumper cable to the device
Retains all functions of the front panel
All displayed info obtained directly from the device
  
Only 4" x 4" x 2"
  
For more information and ordering go to:   www.kv5j.com

Thanks 73,

Keith,KV5J
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[Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K4 -- Spectral subtraction noise reduction

2020-09-11 Thread Bill Steffey NY9H



I do believe that  BHI Ltd  ( Graham)  has been using that for years... 
  check out their website . Under downloads there are several examples 
of how well it works,.( really well...) 
https://www.bhi-ltd.com/downloads/sound-files/


I always have been suggesting to Eric & Wayne to look at the BHI 
algorythm ...  patented ?? maybe it has a license fee ??? but it works 
substantially better than 'clearspeech" and the rest of them. Till 
recently GAP was the US distributor of the BHI products, then Graham 
finally started doing US marketing himself...a much better job.


Used to use BHI speakers on my Microham mk2r connected to K3 & 7800, as 
it was markedly better at NR. Now I have the Parametric/NR box feeding 
some 3" realistic box speakers.


+
On 9/11/2020 9:32 AM, Kurt Pawlikowski wrote:

Grant,

    You peaked my interest. I attempted to find examples of spectral 
subtraction and only found talks about it (no audio examples). Would 
you happen to know where I might find some examples? Maybe comparing 
results between several noise reduction methods?


    Thanks!

    kurtt WB9FMC

On 9/10/2020 11:19 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
I’ve recently been exploring quite a few of the many SDR receivers on 
KiwiSDR.  One of the (many) features of this system is an option to 
select spectral subtraction NR.


I’m now really hyped about the fact that this will be available at 
some point on the K4.  It works exceptionally well.  So well, that I 
leave it turned on most of the time. Often, stations you can barely 
copy down in the junk literally pop up out of the noise.  Don’t know 
if this will be available at initial shipment, but it’s certainly 
something to look forward to if not.  I’ve only tried it on AM and 
SSB at this point, so not sure about CW.


Just something else to whet the appetite for that eventual “you’re 
up” email from Elecraft sales …  :)


Grant NQ5T
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Re: [Elecraft] [Elecraft-KX] Help! MH3 mic PTT broken, fixable? - ELECTRET MICROPHONES

2020-09-11 Thread Bill Steffey NY9H
most ANY electret microphone element will be excellent for use with ham 
radio. The Panasonic are among the most expensive ( 8pcs New WM-61A 
Panasonic Electret Condenser Mic Capsule Mic   )   on ebay


That leaves the case cord and plug for the "mic" factory to finish. Many 
of the fake 'icom" mics I have bought on line have had the vinyl ( NOT 
RUBBER)  coil cord DISINTEGRATE into peices 3-4 years later. Never has 
issues with switches or the cases. Remember some rigs , especially ICOM 
need the higher output level found with an electret, as they are 
designed / supplied with an eletret.  Elecraft , in their wisdom, 
provides enough gain so while electrets work, there is enough gain to 
easily use a dynamic microphone. Remember when Heil sold microphones for 
icoms that were way too low on gain. So bob then sourced mics with 
electrets ( higher gain) for icom.


I spent 20+ years working under contract for ( in order) Sennheiser 
1976-81; AKG 81-86 Shure 86-91...while I am not an engineer one learns 
much along the trip.


bill ( now using an AKG gooseneck paging microphone in my console    
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 -- Spectral subtraction noise reduction

2020-09-11 Thread Kurt Pawlikowski

Grant,

    You peaked my interest. I attempted to find examples of spectral 
subtraction and only found talks about it (no audio examples). Would you 
happen to know where I might find some examples? Maybe comparing results 
between several noise reduction methods?


    Thanks!

    kurtt WB9FMC

On 9/10/2020 11:19 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:

I’ve recently been exploring quite a few of the many SDR receivers on KiwiSDR.  
One of the (many) features of this system is an option to select spectral 
subtraction NR.

I’m now really hyped about the fact that this will be available at some point 
on the K4.  It works exceptionally well.  So well, that I leave it turned on 
most of the time.  Often, stations you can barely copy down in the junk 
literally pop up out of the noise.  Don’t know if this will be available at 
initial shipment, but it’s certainly something to look forward to if not.  I’ve 
only tried it on AM and SSB at this point, so not sure about CW.

Just something else to whet the appetite for that eventual “you’re up” email 
from Elecraft sales …  :)

Grant NQ5T
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Re: [Elecraft] Update on K4 manuals

2020-09-11 Thread Rich NE1EE
On 2020-09-10 20:08:-0700, you wrote:
>All manuals will be kept updated to reflect the current software.
>
>Wayne
>N6KR

Will you preserve historical versions for those who don't have upgrades? I 
haven't looked on the Elecraft website to see if there are version-specific 
manuals for other products.

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A Very Quiet Day

2020-09-11 Thread Edward R Cole
Here in Alaska, we have frequent power outages.  More often in winter 
due to wind storms knocking down wires.


A few years ago we bought a 6500w Honda inverter generator to provide 
emergency power.  Its large enough to supply the entire house 
load.  One of the interesting things was noting the drop in radio 
noise when power is off.  We see no lights in the neighborhood other 
than ours so any noise would be made in our house.  2m noise drop 
almost to S0.  Normal quiet times with commercial power runs 
S3.  Only see S2 or less on 2m when running our generator.  At times 
local noise on 2m rises to S7 which renders the band unusable except 
strong local signals.


I just set up my 6m eme system and measured S6/7 noise with the ARR 
preamp.  PR6 shows S3/4. ARR gain is 25-dB vs about 15-dB for the 
PR6, so I added a 10-dB attenuator in-line with the ARR preamp which 
now matches the PR6 noise floor pretty well.  ARR is closer to the 
antenna with 0.5 dB NF whereas the PR6 is about 0.7 dB NF.  Not 
really noticeable with local signals but makes a little improvement 
with weak eme signals.


When I first came to AK, I lived off the grid (about 2-3 miles from 
nearest power lines (town of pop 75).  80m band was S0 on my dipole 
at night.  Really heard well back then.  I now live 100 miles west of 
there in a buried utility area (2 to 5 acre parcels) which probably 
helps (though overhead lines are only 1/2 mile away.  HF is typically 
S5 noise with my K3 (preamp off).  I use the PR6 on 10m & 6m so that 
raises the noise floor a bit.  Our pop is 4,000 spread over 76 square 
miles with a city of 15,000 12 miles south.


Going to bush towns is no insurance for low noise.  I worked in a 
town 400 miles west of Anchorage (pop 3500) and tried setting up a 
long yagi on 2m on roof above the TV station.  Noise was over S9 (due 
to arc igniters in their furnace).  2m was totally unusable (trying 
for a long shot to Anchorage).  They ran a monitor on the AM radio 
station which blared horrible noise when they shut down the 
transmitter at night.


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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A Very Quiet Day

2020-09-11 Thread Henk de Vries
It has also to do with Intetnet being provided by all kinds of poorly shielded 
wiring hanging above ground.
In V31 I always operated with a battery from a remote beach location due to 
continous  9+++ noise in/near my appartment block and other urban areas.73 
HenkPA0C V31HV
 Oorspronkelijk bericht Van: James Bennett via Elecraft 
 Datum: 10-09-2020  23:29  (GMT+01:00) Aan: Elecraft 
Reflector Reflector  Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] A 
Very Quiet Day I can well understand that experience.Back in 2000 my new XYL 
and I honeymooned in St. Maarten / PJ7. I took a K2 with me and a length of 
wire and coax. I managed 40 - 50 CW QSO’s in between other activities. After we 
got back home I wrote an article that ARRL published in one of their online 
journals. At one time there was a link to it on the Elecraft site.Anyway, one 
of the things I warned prospective vacationers going to non-US sites was to be 
prepared for some horrendous QRN. As I mentioned in the article, many foreign 
countries have no laws governing RF interference. You’ll run into all sorts of 
crud on the power mains, not to mention some really ugly HF band obliterators 
in the form of cars and trucks. I suspect some places are better than others. 
In St. Maarten, every time any truck went down the street by our condo I had to 
take off the headphones for a while - it was bad, with a capital B!Jim / W6JHB> 
On Sep 10, 2020, at 2:17 PM, Tony Estep  wrote:> > On Thu, 
Sep 10, 2020 at 2:53 PM Al Lorona  wrote:> >> Power was 
shut off to my noisy urban neighborhood...radio was amazing>> yesterday for six 
glorious hours.>> > ==> Well, here's the flip side. My old 
qth was noisy enough, but the real> eye-opener came when I toted my KX3 to 
Hyderabad, India a few years ago. I> was teaching at the Indian School of 
Business and living in the faculty> apartments, and I had brought the KX3 along 
expecting to hear a bunch of> call-signs that would sound exotic to a 
midwestern Yank. So I strung up a> wire around the walls of my living room, up 
near the ceiling, and laid a> counterpoise out along the floor. Donning my 
headphones I switched it on,> looking forward to an evening of entertainment as 
I tuned 20 CW.> Zowie! What a cacophony of squeals, buzzes, crashes, honks and 
toots,> burps, whistles and grinds. The S-meter jumped up to about S9+10 and 
stuck> there. Nowhere on the band, it seemed, was there a slot wide enough for 
a> signal to peep through. Finally I was able to discern a little peep> 
half-buried beneath the layers of trash, a lonely VU2 calling CQ. I> answered 
him, but of course to no avail. On a later night I heard a few> words from a 
QSO between a local ham and a VR2 in Hong Kong, and that was> the sum total of 
my ham experience while there. Where were the noises> coming from? I dunno -- 
from everywhere, it sounded like.> > 73,> Tony KT0NY> 
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