Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
Well, thanks to the burners, most of Gerlach has cell coverage, free wifi, 2m and 440M repeaters - linked to IRLP, and they have even installed their own cell tower out near the Trego Hot Springs for cell coverage out in the Black Rock. It's funny to zip by the hot springs on a 70MPH locomotive and see a cell tower out in the "middle of BFE"! And, they didn't have to disguise it as one of those off colored green looking pine trees - like up near W7RN - to get it "approved"...But I always have the little KX2 with me - just can't use it "locomotive mobile" anymore ;-( 73, Todd KH2TJ and most of Nevada too. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
Impossible. Growing up in Minnesota, it was customary to reveal - at an appropriate age - not only the truth about Santa Claus (I won't go into that right now), but the fact that there is, was, and forever will be only one (1) fruitcake in existence. It just gets passed around every year. Uff Dah! 73 Lyn, WØLEN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 5:27 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air It's caused by the excess of fruitcake in MN. All the fruitcake [chemical symbol Fc] in the universe was created at the Big Bang, along with a lot of hydrogen [H] and some Helium [He]. It is governed by the well-known Conservation of Fruitcake law ... you cannot destroy it, however you can give it away. It and aluminum foil [Rw] have a mutual affinity for each other. For reasons still unknown, it tends to accumulate in the upper midwest. Fruitcake absorbs electromagnetic radiation very well and is probably the cause of your dead zone. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 12/10/2019 7:47 AM, Jim Rhodes wrote: > When I was growing up in Minnesota there was an area of a nearby town that > would blank the signal of whatever radio station you were listening to on > the car radio as you were driving through, AM or FM. Not an industrial area > either. Never did figure that one out. Always meant to go back and see if I > could map it better and maybe find out what was causing it. Would like to > have talked to folks living near there. > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to l...@lnainc.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
Those are actually from the stanza: "We never eat cookies, for cookies have yeast, And one little bite turns a man to a beast, Oh, can you imagine a greater disgrace, Than a man in the gutter with crumbs on his face." On Wed, Dec 11, 2019, 1:16 PM Kidder, George wrote: > "The man who eats fruitcake is a total disgrace, > Stretched out in the gutter with crumbs on his face > 'Away Away with rum', by gum > Is the song of the Temperance Union." > > George > > On 12/11/2019 6:59 AM, Gwen Patton wrote: > > [This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to > ab...@ilstu.edu<mailto:ab...@ilstu.edu>] > > > > ♪♫♪ We never eat fruitcake because it has rum, > > And one little slice puts a man on the bum. > > Oh, can you imagine the pitiful plight > > Of a man eating fruitcake until he gets tight? ♫♪♫ > > > > --Song of the Temperance Union > > > > 73, > > Gwen, NG3P > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 11:37 PM Edward R Cole > wrote: > > > >> Actually fruit cake makes a great dummy load ... eat it and you turn > >> into a dummy! > >> > >> ----- > >> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:26:34 -0800 > >> From: Fred Jensen > >> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air > >> Message-ID: <5960967f-f037-32e2-26d4-6b316d853...@foothill.net> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> > >> It's caused by the excess of fruitcake in MN. All the fruitcake > >> [chemical symbol Fc] in the universe was created at the Big Bang, along > >> with a lot of hydrogen [H] and some Helium [He].? It is governed by the > >> well-known Conservation of Fruitcake law ... you cannot destroy it, > >> however you can give it away.? It and aluminum foil [Rw] have a mutual > >> affinity for each other.? For reasons still unknown, it tends to > >> accumulate in the upper midwest.? Fruitcake absorbs electromagnetic > >> radiation very well and is probably the cause of your dead zone. > >> > >> 73, > >> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > >> Sparks NV DM09dn > >> Washoe County > >> > >> > >> 73, Ed - KL7UW > >> http://www.kl7uw.com > >> Dubus-NA Business mail: > >> dubus...@gmail.com > >> > >> __ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to ard...@gmail.com > >> > > > > -- > > > > -+-+-+-+- > > Jenny Everywhere's Infinite: Quark Time > > http://quarktime.net > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to gkid...@ilstu.edu > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ard...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
"The man who eats fruitcake is a total disgrace, Stretched out in the gutter with crumbs on his face 'Away Away with rum', by gum Is the song of the Temperance Union." George On 12/11/2019 6:59 AM, Gwen Patton wrote: > [This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to > ab...@ilstu.edu<mailto:ab...@ilstu.edu>] > > ♪♫♪ We never eat fruitcake because it has rum, > And one little slice puts a man on the bum. > Oh, can you imagine the pitiful plight > Of a man eating fruitcake until he gets tight? ♫♪♫ > > --Song of the Temperance Union > > 73, > Gwen, NG3P > > > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 11:37 PM Edward R Cole wrote: > >> Actually fruit cake makes a great dummy load ... eat it and you turn >> into a dummy! >> >> - >> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:26:34 -0800 >> From: Fred Jensen >> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air >> Message-ID: <5960967f-f037-32e2-26d4-6b316d853...@foothill.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> It's caused by the excess of fruitcake in MN. All the fruitcake >> [chemical symbol Fc] in the universe was created at the Big Bang, along >> with a lot of hydrogen [H] and some Helium [He].? It is governed by the >> well-known Conservation of Fruitcake law ... you cannot destroy it, >> however you can give it away.? It and aluminum foil [Rw] have a mutual >> affinity for each other.? For reasons still unknown, it tends to >> accumulate in the upper midwest.? Fruitcake absorbs electromagnetic >> radiation very well and is probably the cause of your dead zone. >> >> 73, >> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW >> Sparks NV DM09dn >> Washoe County >> >> >> 73, Ed - KL7UW >> http://www.kl7uw.com >> Dubus-NA Business mail: >> dubus...@gmail.com >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ard...@gmail.com >> > > -- > > -+-+-+-+- > Jenny Everywhere's Infinite: Quark Time > http://quarktime.net > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gkid...@ilstu.edu __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
♪♫♪ We never eat fruitcake because it has rum, And one little slice puts a man on the bum. Oh, can you imagine the pitiful plight Of a man eating fruitcake until he gets tight? ♫♪♫ --Song of the Temperance Union 73, Gwen, NG3P On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 11:37 PM Edward R Cole wrote: > Actually fruit cake makes a great dummy load ... eat it and you turn > into a dummy! > > - > Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:26:34 -0800 > From: Fred Jensen > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air > Message-ID: <5960967f-f037-32e2-26d4-6b316d853...@foothill.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > It's caused by the excess of fruitcake in MN. All the fruitcake > [chemical symbol Fc] in the universe was created at the Big Bang, along > with a lot of hydrogen [H] and some Helium [He].? It is governed by the > well-known Conservation of Fruitcake law ... you cannot destroy it, > however you can give it away.? It and aluminum foil [Rw] have a mutual > affinity for each other.? For reasons still unknown, it tends to > accumulate in the upper midwest.? Fruitcake absorbs electromagnetic > radiation very well and is probably the cause of your dead zone. > > 73, > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > > 73, Ed - KL7UW >http://www.kl7uw.com > Dubus-NA Business mail: >dubus...@gmail.com > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ard...@gmail.com > -- -+-+-+-+- Jenny Everywhere's Infinite: Quark Time http://quarktime.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
Actually fruit cake makes a great dummy load ... eat it and you turn into a dummy! - Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:26:34 -0800 From: Fred Jensen To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air Message-ID: <5960967f-f037-32e2-26d4-6b316d853...@foothill.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed It's caused by the excess of fruitcake in MN. All the fruitcake [chemical symbol Fc] in the universe was created at the Big Bang, along with a lot of hydrogen [H] and some Helium [He].? It is governed by the well-known Conservation of Fruitcake law ... you cannot destroy it, however you can give it away.? It and aluminum foil [Rw] have a mutual affinity for each other.? For reasons still unknown, it tends to accumulate in the upper midwest.? Fruitcake absorbs electromagnetic radiation very well and is probably the cause of your dead zone. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
Of course Alaska doesn't count as most companies don't consider Alaska as part of the USA (eg free shipping except AK/HI). Back in 2012, I worked for Wallmart and we had many angry cell phone customers who bought phones in the lower-48 and were assured they worked in AK. They were given Verizon (which had just started service in Anchorage & no where else in AK). They have expanded service, now. But do not expect cell service off the road system (75% of AK). On our trips driving out the Alaska Hwy thru Canada we had no service anywhere in the Yukon or northern parts of BC or AB. Only got service when we were within 200-miles of the US border (using Rogers cell service that apparently partnered with AT). Fortunately we had our KX3 + KXPA100 in the mobile (no worries), plus in the Yukon there is linked repeaters on 146.52 covering most of the hwy. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
House is 4 feet underground, reinforced concrete, passive solar, South side glass. TG for cellular over WIFI! All other RF via coax only. Ken ke4rg __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
I built our house with ICFs (insulated concrete forms) and put rebar in every cell (12 inch on center), and every stick of rebar in the walls ties to the rebar in the footings. Together with the stucco mesh, I live in a really good Faraday shielded enclosure and had crappy cell phone coverage until I set my Moto G6 Play ($200 a couple of years ago) smartphone to WiFi priority. It works fine inside the house now, and T-Mobile has an unlimited usage (including unlimited data) $50 per month plan for seniors. 73, Dave AB7E On 12/10/2019 5:19 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On 12/10/2019 3:34 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: I have a Dead Zone inside my house. I live in a stucco clad house with the stucco laid on wire mesh - it is an effective Faraday shield. We do not have good cell phone reception inside the house Thanks to the "tin-hat brigade, we have an even worse situation here in the Santa Cruz Mountains -- no cell coverage at all. For years, this kept me from a smart phone, but I now know this was a very bad decision. Many reasons why, but mainly that they work for internet access on WiFi, they function as a pretty nice "ad hoc" camera, while on the road (and waiting in a doctor's office) I have access to news outlets of my choice via my cell data plan or the office's guest WiFi. We buy our cell service from Page Plus Cellular, a third party company reselling Verizon service at monthly Pay As You Go rates for the amount of data that we need. For us, 2GB/month is more than we're likely to need except when traveling, at a cost of about $30/phone/month. Accounts are flexible, so it's no big thing to buy more data in months we might be traveling. The Motorola phones we bought about three years ago cost us about $350 each. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to xda...@cis-broadband.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
Don't forget the east coast "National Radio Quiet Zone (NRQZ)"... I have a star party (https://www.ahsp.org/, on my list of things to do) and I checked on the use of HF radio in the zone. Unless I was looking at the wrong place, you can use radio in the zone unless you are at the telescopes or UHF/microwave. I only found a reference to a "permit" for fixed ham station like repeaters. Can you say East Coast Dead Zone... is there going to be a DZSOTA ?? 73, steve WB3LGC On 12/10/19 7:19 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On 12/10/2019 3:34 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: I have a Dead Zone inside my house. I live in a stucco clad house with the stucco laid on wire mesh - it is an effective Faraday shield. We do not have good cell phone reception inside the house Thanks to the "tin-hat brigade, we have an even worse situation here in the Santa Cruz Mountains -- no cell coverage at all. For years, this kept me from a smart phone, but I now know this was a very bad decision. Many reasons why, but mainly that they work for internet access on WiFi, they function as a pretty nice "ad hoc" camera, while on the road (and waiting in a doctor's office) I have access to news outlets of my choice via my cell data plan or the office's guest WiFi. We buy our cell service from Page Plus Cellular, a third party company reselling Verizon service at monthly Pay As You Go rates for the amount of data that we need. For us, 2GB/month is more than we're likely to need except when traveling, at a cost of about $30/phone/month. Accounts are flexible, so it's no big thing to buy more data in months we might be traveling. The Motorola phones we bought about three years ago cost us about $350 each. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to sm.shearer...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
On 12/10/2019 3:34 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: I have a Dead Zone inside my house. I live in a stucco clad house with the stucco laid on wire mesh - it is an effective Faraday shield. We do not have good cell phone reception inside the house Thanks to the "tin-hat brigade, we have an even worse situation here in the Santa Cruz Mountains -- no cell coverage at all. For years, this kept me from a smart phone, but I now know this was a very bad decision. Many reasons why, but mainly that they work for internet access on WiFi, they function as a pretty nice "ad hoc" camera, while on the road (and waiting in a doctor's office) I have access to news outlets of my choice via my cell data plan or the office's guest WiFi. We buy our cell service from Page Plus Cellular, a third party company reselling Verizon service at monthly Pay As You Go rates for the amount of data that we need. For us, 2GB/month is more than we're likely to need except when traveling, at a cost of about $30/phone/month. Accounts are flexible, so it's no big thing to buy more data in months we might be traveling. The Motorola phones we bought about three years ago cost us about $350 each. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
Don, A lot of the smartphones offer wifi calling. You just have to be in range of your router :-). 73, Bill WE5P > > On Dec 10, 2019 at 18:34, Don Wilhelmwrote: > > > I have a Dead Zone inside my house. I live in a stucco clad house with the > stucco laid on wire mesh - it is an effective Faraday shield. We do not have > good cell phone reception inside the house - that is why I do not have a > smartphone, just a simple flip phone to use when away from home. I do get 2 > to 3 bars if I venture outside, but No Service to maybe 1 bar when inside. So > my question is -- Do I qualify for NZOTA when using my KX2 indoors at home > with my outside antennas, or do I have to use an indoor antenna as well? 73, > Don W3FPR __ > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to weave...@usermail.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
I have a Dead Zone inside my house. I live in a stucco clad house with the stucco laid on wire mesh - it is an effective Faraday shield. We do not have good cell phone reception inside the house - that is why I do not have a smartphone, just a simple flip phone to use when away from home. I do get 2 to 3 bars if I venture outside, but No Service to maybe 1 bar when inside. So my question is -- Do I qualify for NZOTA when using my KX2 indoors at home with my outside antennas, or do I have to use an indoor antenna as well? 73, Don W3FPR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
And most of the SIERRA Nevada too! 73 jeff wk6i On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 3:18 PM Fred Jensen wrote: > and most of Nevada too. > > 73, > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > On 12/10/2019 7:12 AM, Joseph Street wrote: > > DZOTA somost of Canada then. This jives perfectly with my desire > to go hike where nobody else wants to go. I might just get bitten by this > bug along with a few thousand mosquitoes and blackflies. One problem > though, I've never owned a cell phone. I need some other way of knowing > when I'm in a dead zone. Any suggestions? > > > > > > Joe ve3vxo > > > > > > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > on behalf of Wayne Burdick > > Sent: December 10, 2019 9:46:09 AM > > To: Elecraft Reflector > > Cc: elecraft...@groups.io > > Subject: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air > > > > Have you seen those cell-phone company maps showing how much of the > country they cover? Inevitably, they reveal a patchwork of Dead Zones > (DZs): places where coverage is not just bad...it's non-existent. > > > > In such inhospitable realms, your choices are smoke signals, sat phone, > or ham radio. This smacks of an opportunity. Hence DZOTA. > > > > DZOTA places are often DeZerted. In fact, they are often in dezerts, in > contrast to many of the conspicuous high places typical of SOTA. This may > be a benefit to outdoor radio enthusiasts who, when hiking, prefer level > ground or even a gentle downward slope. And in an emergency, those hikers > might be the only ones around with comms. > > > > Where are the most notorious DZs? I have a few tiny cell network black > holes in my urban neighborhood, thanks to AT But the truly inspiring DZs > are far from civilization, covering tens or hundreds of square miles. > Typically, they're also far from sources of noise. > > > > I have no illusions that DZOTA sites will be officially tracked and > chased anytime soon. Still, the "NO SIGNAL" icon on my phone now has new > meaning. It's a bug you, too, can change to a feature just by keeping a > radio in your vehicle at all times. > > > > In my case, it's the spare KX2 and AX1 under the driver's seat. > > > > 73, > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wk6i.j...@gmail.com > -- Jeff Stai ~ WK6I ~ wk6i.j...@gmail.com RTTY op at W7RN Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
It's caused by the excess of fruitcake in MN. All the fruitcake [chemical symbol Fc] in the universe was created at the Big Bang, along with a lot of hydrogen [H] and some Helium [He]. It is governed by the well-known Conservation of Fruitcake law ... you cannot destroy it, however you can give it away. It and aluminum foil [Rw] have a mutual affinity for each other. For reasons still unknown, it tends to accumulate in the upper midwest. Fruitcake absorbs electromagnetic radiation very well and is probably the cause of your dead zone. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 12/10/2019 7:47 AM, Jim Rhodes wrote: When I was growing up in Minnesota there was an area of a nearby town that would blank the signal of whatever radio station you were listening to on the car radio as you were driving through, AM or FM. Not an industrial area either. Never did figure that one out. Always meant to go back and see if I could map it better and maybe find out what was causing it. Would like to have talked to folks living near there. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
and most of Nevada too. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 12/10/2019 7:12 AM, Joseph Street wrote: DZOTA somost of Canada then. This jives perfectly with my desire to go hike where nobody else wants to go. I might just get bitten by this bug along with a few thousand mosquitoes and blackflies. One problem though, I've never owned a cell phone. I need some other way of knowing when I'm in a dead zone. Any suggestions? Joe ve3vxo From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net on behalf of Wayne Burdick Sent: December 10, 2019 9:46:09 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Cc: elecraft...@groups.io Subject: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air Have you seen those cell-phone company maps showing how much of the country they cover? Inevitably, they reveal a patchwork of Dead Zones (DZs): places where coverage is not just bad...it's non-existent. In such inhospitable realms, your choices are smoke signals, sat phone, or ham radio. This smacks of an opportunity. Hence DZOTA. DZOTA places are often DeZerted. In fact, they are often in dezerts, in contrast to many of the conspicuous high places typical of SOTA. This may be a benefit to outdoor radio enthusiasts who, when hiking, prefer level ground or even a gentle downward slope. And in an emergency, those hikers might be the only ones around with comms. Where are the most notorious DZs? I have a few tiny cell network black holes in my urban neighborhood, thanks to AT But the truly inspiring DZs are far from civilization, covering tens or hundreds of square miles. Typically, they're also far from sources of noise. I have no illusions that DZOTA sites will be officially tracked and chased anytime soon. Still, the "NO SIGNAL" icon on my phone now has new meaning. It's a bug you, too, can change to a feature just by keeping a radio in your vehicle at all times. In my case, it's the spare KX2 and AX1 under the driver's seat. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
Love this idea Wayne! Thanks for the [poke]... This "event" fills a fun nee. It is not just for those "flat landers" who are close enough to get to the large DZs, but also to those of us living back east who live in those little pockets of territory that is not served by cell service. 5G??? Who are they trying to fool? Would be happy with 3G some days. Jack - KD4IZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 09:46 To: Elecraft Reflector Cc: elecraft...@groups.io Subject: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air Have you seen those cell-phone company maps showing how much of the country they cover? Inevitably, they reveal a patchwork of Dead Zones (DZs): places where coverage is not just bad...it's non-existent. In such inhospitable realms, your choices are smoke signals, sat phone, or ham radio. This smacks of an opportunity. Hence DZOTA. DZOTA places are often DeZerted. In fact, they are often in dezerts, in contrast to many of the conspicuous high places typical of SOTA. This may be a benefit to outdoor radio enthusiasts who, when hiking, prefer level ground or even a gentle downward slope. And in an emergency, those hikers might be the only ones around with comms. Where are the most notorious DZs? I have a few tiny cell network black holes in my urban neighborhood, thanks to AT But the truly inspiring DZs are far from civilization, covering tens or hundreds of square miles. Typically, they're also far from sources of noise. I have no illusions that DZOTA sites will be officially tracked and chased anytime soon. Still, the "NO SIGNAL" icon on my phone now has new meaning. It's a bug you, too, can change to a feature just by keeping a radio in your vehicle at all times. In my case, it's the spare KX2 and AX1 under the driver's seat. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kd...@frawg.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
Jim - I too, as a former Minnesota resident (born, raised, first licensed) would be curious as to what town you're referring to At one time I had a job that required me to travel to nearly every town and every school building in the state, so I may just need something to jog my aging memory. 73 Lyn, WØLEN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Flowers Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 9:51 AM To: 'Elecraft Refl' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air Was that town in the Iron Range? And if so, could all the iron ore deposits play a role? - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Secretary > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Jim Rhodes > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 07:47 > To: Wayne Burdick > Cc: Elecraft Reflector ; elecraft...@groups.io > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air > > When I was growing up in Minnesota there was an area of a nearby town that > would blank the signal of whatever radio station you were listening to on the car > radio as you were driving through, AM or FM. Not an industrial area either. > Never did figure that one out. Always meant to go back and see if I could map it > better and maybe find out what was causing it. Would like to have talked to folks > living near there. > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 9:19 AM Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > > > I'd just google each company's coverage maps. > > > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > > > > On Dec 10, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Joseph Street wrote: > > > > > > DZOTA somost of Canada then. This jives perfectly with my > > > desire > > to go hike where nobody else wants to go. I might just get bitten by > > this bug along with a few thousand mosquitoes and blackflies. One > > problem though, I've never owned a cell phone. I need some other way > > of knowing when I'm in a dead zone. Any suggestions? > > > > > > Joe ve3vxo > > > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > > > > > on behalf of Wayne Burdick > > > Sent: December 10, 2019 9:46:09 AM > > > To: Elecraft Reflector > > > Cc: elecraft...@groups.io > > > Subject: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air > > > > > > Have you seen those cell-phone company maps showing how much of the > > country they cover? Inevitably, they reveal a patchwork of Dead Zones > > (DZs): places where coverage is not just bad...it's non-existent. > > > > > > In such inhospitable realms, your choices are smoke signals, sat > > > phone, > > or ham radio. This smacks of an opportunity. Hence DZOTA. > > > > > > DZOTA places are often DeZerted. In fact, they are often in dezerts, > > > in > > contrast to many of the conspicuous high places typical of SOTA. This > > may be a benefit to outdoor radio enthusiasts who, when hiking, prefer > > level ground or even a gentle downward slope. And in an emergency, > > those hikers might be the only ones around with comms. > > > > > > Where are the most notorious DZs? I have a few tiny cell network > > > black > > holes in my urban neighborhood, thanks to AT But the truly > > inspiring DZs are far from civilization, covering tens or hundreds of square > miles. > > Typically, they're also far from sources of noise. > > > > > > I have no illusions that DZOTA sites will be officially tracked and > > chased anytime soon. Still, the "NO SIGNAL" icon on my phone now has > > new meaning. It's a bug you, too, can change to a feature just by > > keeping a radio in your vehicle at all times. > > > > > > In my case, it's the spare KX2 and AX1 under the driver's seat. > > > > > > 73, > > > Wayne > > > N6KR > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > > > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > > jstr...@uwaterloo.ca > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net &g
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
We discovered that Newfoundland and Labrador are dead zones for our US cell phones, because our US carrier didn't pair with a Canadian company that covered those areas. They only pair with Rodgers. In addition, for the trans-Labrador highway, there is no coverage for anyone. Interestingly, if you drive the trans-Labrador highway, you can borrow a satellite phone for emergency use. It comes programmed to only call one number, the RCMP. You borrow it up at one end of the highway and return it at the other. They were out of phones when we started, but the ICOM 706 and Little Tarheel antenna in the car gave us access to 80M and up, and a warm fuzzy feeling. My KX3 or my wife's KX2 give the same feeling when on foot in the DZOTAs. 73 Bill AE6JV On 12/10/19 at 9:46 AM, n...@elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) wrote: Have you seen those cell-phone company maps showing how much of the country they cover? Inevitably, they reveal a patchwork of Dead Zones (DZs): places where coverage is not just bad...it's non-existent. In such inhospitable realms, your choices are smoke signals, sat phone, or ham radio. This smacks of an opportunity. Hence DZOTA. --- Bill Frantz| I like the farmers' market | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | because I can get fruits and | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | vegetables without stickers. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
> On Dec 10, 2019, at 10:17 , Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Hi Joe, > > I'd just google each company's coverage maps. The AT 4G map for my state (Massachusetts) is some kind of wishful thinking at best. https://www.att.com/maps/wireless-coverage.html There are lots of holes even within the relatively metro area inside I-495. I would be very happy to find a source of actual (ground level) coverage. -Dale KB1ZKD > > Wayne > N6KR > > >> On Dec 10, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Joseph Street wrote: >> >> DZOTA somost of Canada then. This jives perfectly with my desire to go >> hike where nobody else wants to go. I might just get bitten by this bug >> along with a few thousand mosquitoes and blackflies. One problem though, >> I've never owned a cell phone. I need some other way of knowing when I'm in >> a dead zone. Any suggestions? >> >> Joe ve3vxo >> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net on >> behalf of Wayne Burdick >> Sent: December 10, 2019 9:46:09 AM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Cc: elecraft...@groups.io >> Subject: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air >> >> Have you seen those cell-phone company maps showing how much of the country >> they cover? Inevitably, they reveal a patchwork of Dead Zones (DZs): places >> where coverage is not just bad...it's non-existent. >> >> In such inhospitable realms, your choices are smoke signals, sat phone, or >> ham radio. This smacks of an opportunity. Hence DZOTA. >> >> DZOTA places are often DeZerted. In fact, they are often in dezerts, in >> contrast to many of the conspicuous high places typical of SOTA. This may be >> a benefit to outdoor radio enthusiasts who, when hiking, prefer level ground >> or even a gentle downward slope. And in an emergency, those hikers might be >> the only ones around with comms. >> >> Where are the most notorious DZs? I have a few tiny cell network black holes >> in my urban neighborhood, thanks to AT But the truly inspiring DZs are >> far from civilization, covering tens or hundreds of square miles. Typically, >> they're also far from sources of noise. >> >> I have no illusions that DZOTA sites will be officially tracked and chased >> anytime soon. Still, the "NO SIGNAL" icon on my phone now has new meaning. >> It's a bug you, too, can change to a feature just by keeping a radio in your >> vehicle at all times. >> >> In my case, it's the spare KX2 and AX1 under the driver's seat. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jstr...@uwaterloo.ca > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to d...@ldeo.columbia.edu __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
Was that town in the Iron Range? And if so, could all the iron ore deposits play a role? - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Secretary > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Jim Rhodes > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 07:47 > To: Wayne Burdick > Cc: Elecraft Reflector ; elecraft...@groups.io > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air > > When I was growing up in Minnesota there was an area of a nearby town that > would blank the signal of whatever radio station you were listening to on the car > radio as you were driving through, AM or FM. Not an industrial area either. > Never did figure that one out. Always meant to go back and see if I could map it > better and maybe find out what was causing it. Would like to have talked to folks > living near there. > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 9:19 AM Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > > > I'd just google each company's coverage maps. > > > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > > > > On Dec 10, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Joseph Street wrote: > > > > > > DZOTA somost of Canada then. This jives perfectly with my > > > desire > > to go hike where nobody else wants to go. I might just get bitten by > > this bug along with a few thousand mosquitoes and blackflies. One > > problem though, I've never owned a cell phone. I need some other way > > of knowing when I'm in a dead zone. Any suggestions? > > > > > > Joe ve3vxo > > > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > > > > > on behalf of Wayne Burdick > > > Sent: December 10, 2019 9:46:09 AM > > > To: Elecraft Reflector > > > Cc: elecraft...@groups.io > > > Subject: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air > > > > > > Have you seen those cell-phone company maps showing how much of the > > country they cover? Inevitably, they reveal a patchwork of Dead Zones > > (DZs): places where coverage is not just bad...it's non-existent. > > > > > > In such inhospitable realms, your choices are smoke signals, sat > > > phone, > > or ham radio. This smacks of an opportunity. Hence DZOTA. > > > > > > DZOTA places are often DeZerted. In fact, they are often in dezerts, > > > in > > contrast to many of the conspicuous high places typical of SOTA. This > > may be a benefit to outdoor radio enthusiasts who, when hiking, prefer > > level ground or even a gentle downward slope. And in an emergency, > > those hikers might be the only ones around with comms. > > > > > > Where are the most notorious DZs? I have a few tiny cell network > > > black > > holes in my urban neighborhood, thanks to AT But the truly > > inspiring DZs are far from civilization, covering tens or hundreds of square > miles. > > Typically, they're also far from sources of noise. > > > > > > I have no illusions that DZOTA sites will be officially tracked and > > chased anytime soon. Still, the "NO SIGNAL" icon on my phone now has > > new meaning. It's a bug you, too, can change to a feature just by > > keeping a radio in your vehicle at all times. > > > > > > In my case, it's the spare KX2 and AX1 under the driver's seat. > > > > > > 73, > > > Wayne > > > N6KR > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > > > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > > jstr...@uwaterloo.ca > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > jimk...@gmail.com > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to mike.flow...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
When I was growing up in Minnesota there was an area of a nearby town that would blank the signal of whatever radio station you were listening to on the car radio as you were driving through, AM or FM. Not an industrial area either. Never did figure that one out. Always meant to go back and see if I could map it better and maybe find out what was causing it. Would like to have talked to folks living near there. On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 9:19 AM Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Joe, > > I'd just google each company's coverage maps. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > On Dec 10, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Joseph Street wrote: > > > > DZOTA somost of Canada then. This jives perfectly with my desire > to go hike where nobody else wants to go. I might just get bitten by this > bug along with a few thousand mosquitoes and blackflies. One problem > though, I've never owned a cell phone. I need some other way of knowing > when I'm in a dead zone. Any suggestions? > > > > Joe ve3vxo > > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > on behalf of Wayne Burdick > > Sent: December 10, 2019 9:46:09 AM > > To: Elecraft Reflector > > Cc: elecraft...@groups.io > > Subject: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air > > > > Have you seen those cell-phone company maps showing how much of the > country they cover? Inevitably, they reveal a patchwork of Dead Zones > (DZs): places where coverage is not just bad...it's non-existent. > > > > In such inhospitable realms, your choices are smoke signals, sat phone, > or ham radio. This smacks of an opportunity. Hence DZOTA. > > > > DZOTA places are often DeZerted. In fact, they are often in dezerts, in > contrast to many of the conspicuous high places typical of SOTA. This may > be a benefit to outdoor radio enthusiasts who, when hiking, prefer level > ground or even a gentle downward slope. And in an emergency, those hikers > might be the only ones around with comms. > > > > Where are the most notorious DZs? I have a few tiny cell network black > holes in my urban neighborhood, thanks to AT But the truly inspiring DZs > are far from civilization, covering tens or hundreds of square miles. > Typically, they're also far from sources of noise. > > > > I have no illusions that DZOTA sites will be officially tracked and > chased anytime soon. Still, the "NO SIGNAL" icon on my phone now has new > meaning. It's a bug you, too, can change to a feature just by keeping a > radio in your vehicle at all times. > > > > In my case, it's the spare KX2 and AX1 under the driver's seat. > > > > 73, > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to jstr...@uwaterloo.ca > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk...@gmail.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
Hi Joe, I'd just google each company's coverage maps. Wayne N6KR > On Dec 10, 2019, at 7:12 AM, Joseph Street wrote: > > DZOTA somost of Canada then. This jives perfectly with my desire to go > hike where nobody else wants to go. I might just get bitten by this bug > along with a few thousand mosquitoes and blackflies. One problem though, > I've never owned a cell phone. I need some other way of knowing when I'm in > a dead zone. Any suggestions? > > Joe ve3vxo > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net on > behalf of Wayne Burdick > Sent: December 10, 2019 9:46:09 AM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Cc: elecraft...@groups.io > Subject: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air > > Have you seen those cell-phone company maps showing how much of the country > they cover? Inevitably, they reveal a patchwork of Dead Zones (DZs): places > where coverage is not just bad...it's non-existent. > > In such inhospitable realms, your choices are smoke signals, sat phone, or > ham radio. This smacks of an opportunity. Hence DZOTA. > > DZOTA places are often DeZerted. In fact, they are often in dezerts, in > contrast to many of the conspicuous high places typical of SOTA. This may be > a benefit to outdoor radio enthusiasts who, when hiking, prefer level ground > or even a gentle downward slope. And in an emergency, those hikers might be > the only ones around with comms. > > Where are the most notorious DZs? I have a few tiny cell network black holes > in my urban neighborhood, thanks to AT But the truly inspiring DZs are far > from civilization, covering tens or hundreds of square miles. Typically, > they're also far from sources of noise. > > I have no illusions that DZOTA sites will be officially tracked and chased > anytime soon. Still, the "NO SIGNAL" icon on my phone now has new meaning. > It's a bug you, too, can change to a feature just by keeping a radio in your > vehicle at all times. > > In my case, it's the spare KX2 and AX1 under the driver's seat. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jstr...@uwaterloo.ca __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
DZOTA somost of Canada then. This jives perfectly with my desire to go hike where nobody else wants to go. I might just get bitten by this bug along with a few thousand mosquitoes and blackflies. One problem though, I've never owned a cell phone. I need some other way of knowing when I'm in a dead zone. Any suggestions? Joe ve3vxo From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net on behalf of Wayne Burdick Sent: December 10, 2019 9:46:09 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Cc: elecraft...@groups.io Subject: [Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air Have you seen those cell-phone company maps showing how much of the country they cover? Inevitably, they reveal a patchwork of Dead Zones (DZs): places where coverage is not just bad...it's non-existent. In such inhospitable realms, your choices are smoke signals, sat phone, or ham radio. This smacks of an opportunity. Hence DZOTA. DZOTA places are often DeZerted. In fact, they are often in dezerts, in contrast to many of the conspicuous high places typical of SOTA. This may be a benefit to outdoor radio enthusiasts who, when hiking, prefer level ground or even a gentle downward slope. And in an emergency, those hikers might be the only ones around with comms. Where are the most notorious DZs? I have a few tiny cell network black holes in my urban neighborhood, thanks to AT But the truly inspiring DZs are far from civilization, covering tens or hundreds of square miles. Typically, they're also far from sources of noise. I have no illusions that DZOTA sites will be officially tracked and chased anytime soon. Still, the "NO SIGNAL" icon on my phone now has new meaning. It's a bug you, too, can change to a feature just by keeping a radio in your vehicle at all times. In my case, it's the spare KX2 and AX1 under the driver's seat. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jstr...@uwaterloo.ca __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] DZOTA: Dead Zones On The Air
Have you seen those cell-phone company maps showing how much of the country they cover? Inevitably, they reveal a patchwork of Dead Zones (DZs): places where coverage is not just bad...it's non-existent. In such inhospitable realms, your choices are smoke signals, sat phone, or ham radio. This smacks of an opportunity. Hence DZOTA. DZOTA places are often DeZerted. In fact, they are often in dezerts, in contrast to many of the conspicuous high places typical of SOTA. This may be a benefit to outdoor radio enthusiasts who, when hiking, prefer level ground or even a gentle downward slope. And in an emergency, those hikers might be the only ones around with comms. Where are the most notorious DZs? I have a few tiny cell network black holes in my urban neighborhood, thanks to AT But the truly inspiring DZs are far from civilization, covering tens or hundreds of square miles. Typically, they're also far from sources of noise. I have no illusions that DZOTA sites will be officially tracked and chased anytime soon. Still, the "NO SIGNAL" icon on my phone now has new meaning. It's a bug you, too, can change to a feature just by keeping a radio in your vehicle at all times. In my case, it's the spare KX2 and AX1 under the driver's seat. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
