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Re: [Elecraft] Funny K4 Story

2021-05-21 Thread Tom Azlin W7SUA

I have an external meter on each of my antenna feedlines so I know the 
actual SWR for each antenna. Also see a difference in the reported power 
out on my (still) K3 versus the power reported on the external SWR/PWR 
meter which is to be expected given the line impeadance for my antennas 
is not 50 Ohms resistive. Will likely pick up a vector power/SWR meter 
to get a better view of my antennas.


Tom w7sua

On 5/16/2021 4:40 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
I believe the SWR meter in the transceiver is at the input of the 
internal tuner, not the output.  Since it always reads close to 1:1 when 
the tuner is engaged you may not notice if the antenna has a high SWR.


Alan N1AL


On 5/16/2021 5:10 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
The K4 shows all four TX bar graphs simultaneously:  power, SWR, ALC, 
and compression. In addition you can select numeric display of power, 
SWR, supply voltage and current drain for the status area, which 
defaults to date/time.


Wayne
N6KR


elecraft.com


On May 16, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Ray  wrote:

My K3 has a SWR display next to the RF Power meter in the Display.
So it Sounds like the K4 Does Not have that type of Display ?

WA6VAB  K3


On May 16, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
 wrote:


...
I normally would have noticed the change in SWR, and realized that I 
had an antenna problem. But, of course, I had tuned the K4 for the 
first time on 80M when I received it!


A learning moment (operator error?). Gonna try to check the antennas 
out a bit more frequently!


73, Tom W4KX


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Re: [Elecraft] Funny K4 Story i.e. SWR

2021-05-19 Thread Ray

I Though it was 52 Ohms ?  

WA6VAB   Ray K3 #3824 

From: Bob McGraw
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Subject: [Elecraft] Funny K4 Story i.e. SWR

Most all SWR meters relative instruments.  Meaning they provide an 
indication in terms of ratio of one value of voltage to another value of 
voltage.  Thus better described as VSWR indication.

As to measurement of power, most all are calibrated to operate in a 50 
ohm circuit.  Departure from 50 ohms, where one uses the power 
indication post tuner, will yield an error which is sometimes 
significant, in the power indication.

73

Bob, K4TAX

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I have an external meter on each of my antenna feedlines so I know the
actual SWR for each antenna. Also see a difference in the reported power
out on my (still) K3 versus the power reported on the external SWR/PWR
meter.

Tom w7sua

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[Elecraft] Funny K4 Story i.e. SWR

2021-05-19 Thread Bob McGraw

Most all SWR meters relative instruments.  Meaning they provide an 
indication in terms of ratio of one value of voltage to another value of 
voltage.  Thus better described as VSWR indication.


As to measurement of power, most all are calibrated to operate in a 50 
ohm circuit.  Departure from 50 ohms, where one uses the power 
indication post tuner, will yield an error which is sometimes 
significant, in the power indication.


73

Bob, K4TAX

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I have an external meter on each of my antenna feedlines so I know the
actual SWR for each antenna. Also see a difference in the reported power
out on my (still) K3 versus the power reported on the external SWR/PWR
meter.

Tom w7sua


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Re: [Elecraft] Funny K4 Story

2021-05-19 Thread Jim Rhodes

Well a meter calibrated for a 50 ohm system will give you a relative
indication, but accuracy will vary with the actual VSWR on the line. The
further off of 50 ohms the less accurate it will be.

On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 7:15 PM Tom Azlin W7SUA  wrote:

> I put my meters between my KAT500 and the antennas as wanted to see the
> actual feedline SWR. Both my K3 and my KPA500 let me know if the KAT500
> is not able to match ( and of course the LED display on the KAT500).
>
> 73, tom w7sua
>
>
>
> On 5/18/2021 4:45 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> > With internal tuners on everything I have stopped using power/SWR meters
> > on my rigs. If you are matching your antenna before you get to the meter
> > the meter just won't tell you anything useful. I suppose I could put one
> > between the KPA500 and the KAT500 But I don't use it often and the KPA
> > has the barograph meters as well as the digital display anyway.
> >
> > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 10:44 AM Tom Azlin W7SUA  > > wrote:
> >
> > I have an external meter on each of my antenna feedlines so I know
> the
> > actual SWR for each antenna. Also see a difference in the reported
> > power
> > out on my (still) K3 versus the power reported on the external
> SWR/PWR
> > meter.
> >
> > Tom w7sua
> >
> > On 5/16/2021 4:40 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
> >  > I believe the SWR meter in the transceiver is at the input of the
> >  > internal tuner, not the output.  Since it always reads close to
> > 1:1 when
> >  > the tuner is engaged you may not notice if the antenna has a high
> > SWR.
> >  >
> >  > Alan N1AL
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > On 5/16/2021 5:10 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> >  >> The K4 shows all four TX bar graphs simultaneously:  power, SWR,
> > ALC,
> >  >> and compression. In addition you can select numeric display of
> > power,
> >  >> SWR, supply voltage and current drain for the status area, which
> >  >> defaults to date/time.
> >  >>
> >  >> Wayne
> >  >> N6KR
> >  >>
> >  >> 
> >  >> elecraft.com 
> >  >>
> >  >>> On May 16, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Ray  > > wrote:
> >  >>>
> >  >>> My K3 has a SWR display next to the RF Power meter in the
> Display.
> >  >>> So it Sounds like the K4 Does Not have that type of Display ?
> >  >>>
> >  >>> WA6VAB  K3
> >  >>>
> >  >>>
> >   On May 16, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft
> >   mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>>
> > wrote:
> >  
> >   ...
> >   I normally would have noticed the change in SWR, and realized
> > that I
> >   had an antenna problem. But, of course, I had tuned the K4 for
> > the
> >   first time on 80M when I received it!
> >  
> >   A learning moment (operator error?). Gonna try to check the
> > antennas
> >   out a bit more frequently!
> >  
> >   73, Tom W4KX
> >  
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Re: [Elecraft] Funny K4 Story

2021-05-18 Thread Tom Azlin W7SUA

I put my meters between my KAT500 and the antennas as wanted to see the 
actual feedline SWR. Both my K3 and my KPA500 let me know if the KAT500 
is not able to match ( and of course the LED display on the KAT500).

73, tom w7sua

On 5/18/2021 4:45 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
With internal tuners on everything I have stopped using power/SWR meters 
on my rigs. If you are matching your antenna before you get to the meter 
the meter just won't tell you anything useful. I suppose I could put one 
between the KPA500 and the KAT500 But I don't use it often and the KPA 
has the barograph meters as well as the digital display anyway.

On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 10:44 AM Tom Azlin W7SUA > wrote:

I have an external meter on each of my antenna feedlines so I know the
actual SWR for each antenna. Also see a difference in the reported
power
out on my (still) K3 versus the power reported on the external SWR/PWR
meter.

Tom w7sua

On 5/16/2021 4:40 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
 > I believe the SWR meter in the transceiver is at the input of the
 > internal tuner, not the output.  Since it always reads close to
1:1 when
 > the tuner is engaged you may not notice if the antenna has a high
SWR.
 >
 > Alan N1AL
 >
 >
 > On 5/16/2021 5:10 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
 >> The K4 shows all four TX bar graphs simultaneously:  power, SWR,
ALC,
 >> and compression. In addition you can select numeric display of
power,
 >> SWR, supply voltage and current drain for the status area, which
 >> defaults to date/time.
 >>
 >> Wayne
 >> N6KR
 >>
 >> 
 >> elecraft.com 
 >>
 >>> On May 16, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Ray mailto:wa6...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 >>>
 >>> My K3 has a SWR display next to the RF Power meter in the Display.
 >>> So it Sounds like the K4 Does Not have that type of Display ?
 >>>
 >>> WA6VAB  K3
 >>>
 >>>
  On May 16, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft
  mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>>
wrote:

  ...
  I normally would have noticed the change in SWR, and realized
that I
  had an antenna problem. But, of course, I had tuned the K4 for
the
  first time on 80M when I received it!

  A learning moment (operator error?). Gonna try to check the
antennas
  out a bit more frequently!

  73, Tom W4KX

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Re: [Elecraft] Funny K4 Story

2021-05-18 Thread Jim Rhodes

With internal tuners on everything I have stopped using power/SWR meters on
my rigs. If you are matching your antenna before you get to the meter the
meter just won't tell you anything useful. I suppose I could put one
between the KPA500 and the KAT500 But I don't use it often and the KPA has
the barograph meters as well as the digital display anyway.

On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 10:44 AM Tom Azlin W7SUA  wrote:

> I have an external meter on each of my antenna feedlines so I know the
> actual SWR for each antenna. Also see a difference in the reported power
> out on my (still) K3 versus the power reported on the external SWR/PWR
> meter.
>
> Tom w7sua
>
> On 5/16/2021 4:40 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
> > I believe the SWR meter in the transceiver is at the input of the
> > internal tuner, not the output.  Since it always reads close to 1:1 when
> > the tuner is engaged you may not notice if the antenna has a high SWR.
> >
> > Alan N1AL
> >
> >
> > On 5/16/2021 5:10 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> >> The K4 shows all four TX bar graphs simultaneously:  power, SWR, ALC,
> >> and compression. In addition you can select numeric display of power,
> >> SWR, supply voltage and current drain for the status area, which
> >> defaults to date/time.
> >>
> >> Wayne
> >> N6KR
> >>
> >> 
> >> elecraft.com
> >>
> >>> On May 16, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Ray  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> My K3 has a SWR display next to the RF Power meter in the Display.
> >>> So it Sounds like the K4 Does Not have that type of Display ?
> >>>
> >>> WA6VAB  K3
> >>>
> >>>
>  On May 16, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft
>   wrote:
> 
>  ...
>  I normally would have noticed the change in SWR, and realized that I
>  had an antenna problem. But, of course, I had tuned the K4 for the
>  first time on 80M when I received it!
> 
>  A learning moment (operator error?). Gonna try to check the antennas
>  out a bit more frequently!
> 
>  73, Tom W4KX
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Funny K4 Story

2021-05-18 Thread Tom Azlin W7SUA

I have an external meter on each of my antenna feedlines so I know the 
actual SWR for each antenna. Also see a difference in the reported power 
out on my (still) K3 versus the power reported on the external SWR/PWR 
meter.


Tom w7sua

On 5/16/2021 4:40 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
I believe the SWR meter in the transceiver is at the input of the 
internal tuner, not the output.  Since it always reads close to 1:1 when 
the tuner is engaged you may not notice if the antenna has a high SWR.


Alan N1AL


On 5/16/2021 5:10 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
The K4 shows all four TX bar graphs simultaneously:  power, SWR, ALC, 
and compression. In addition you can select numeric display of power, 
SWR, supply voltage and current drain for the status area, which 
defaults to date/time.


Wayne
N6KR


elecraft.com


On May 16, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Ray  wrote:

My K3 has a SWR display next to the RF Power meter in the Display.
So it Sounds like the K4 Does Not have that type of Display ?

WA6VAB  K3


On May 16, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
 wrote:


...
I normally would have noticed the change in SWR, and realized that I 
had an antenna problem. But, of course, I had tuned the K4 for the 
first time on 80M when I received it!


A learning moment (operator error?). Gonna try to check the antennas 
out a bit more frequently!


73, Tom W4KX



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Re: [Elecraft] Funny K4 Story

2021-05-16 Thread Bill Frantz


On 5/16/21 at 7:40 PM, n...@sonic.net (Alan Bloom) wrote:

I believe the SWR meter in the transceiver is at the input of 
the internal tuner, not the output.  Since it always reads 
close to 1:1 when the tuner is engaged you may not notice if 
the antenna has a high SWR.


On the assumption that the K4 antenna tuner has similar 
capabilities to the one in the K3/K3S, it can tune anything. An 
antenna lying on the ground is child's play for these tuners. 
Tom said that he hooked up his spiffy new K4 and tuned the 
antenna. No wonder he didn't see a bad SWR. :-)


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Re: [Elecraft] Funny K4 Story

2021-05-16 Thread Wayne Burdick

This is correct.

Wayne


> On May 16, 2021, at 4:40 PM, Alan Bloom  wrote:
> 
> I believe the SWR meter in the transceiver is at the input of the internal 
> tuner, not the output.  Since it always reads close to 1:1 when the tuner is 
> engaged you may not notice if the antenna has a high SWR.
> 
> Alan N1AL
> 
> 
> On 5/16/2021 5:10 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> The K4 shows all four TX bar graphs simultaneously:  power, SWR, ALC, and 
>> compression. In addition you can select numeric display of power, SWR, 
>> supply voltage and current drain for the status area, which defaults to 
>> date/time.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> elecraft.com
>> 
>>> On May 16, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Ray  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My K3 has a SWR display next to the RF Power meter in the Display.
>>> So it Sounds like the K4 Does Not have that type of Display ?
>>> 
>>> WA6VAB  K3
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 16, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
  wrote:
 
 ...
 I normally would have noticed the change in SWR, and realized that I had 
 an antenna problem. But, of course, I had tuned the K4 for the first time 
 on 80M when I received it!
 
 A learning moment (operator error?). Gonna try to check the antennas out a 
 bit more frequently!
 
 73, Tom W4KX
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Funny K4 Story

2021-05-16 Thread Alan Bloom

I believe the SWR meter in the transceiver is at the input of the 
internal tuner, not the output.  Since it always reads close to 1:1 when 
the tuner is engaged you may not notice if the antenna has a high SWR.


Alan N1AL


On 5/16/2021 5:10 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

The K4 shows all four TX bar graphs simultaneously:  power, SWR, ALC, and 
compression. In addition you can select numeric display of power, SWR, supply 
voltage and current drain for the status area, which defaults to date/time.

Wayne
N6KR


elecraft.com


On May 16, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Ray  wrote:

My K3 has a SWR display next to the RF Power meter in the Display.
So it Sounds like the K4 Does Not have that type of Display ?

WA6VAB  K3



On May 16, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
 wrote:

...
I normally would have noticed the change in SWR, and realized that I had an 
antenna problem. But, of course, I had tuned the K4 for the first time on 80M 
when I received it!

A learning moment (operator error?). Gonna try to check the antennas out a bit 
more frequently!

73, Tom W4KX



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Re: [Elecraft] Funny K4 Story

2021-05-16 Thread Wayne Burdick

The K4 shows all four TX bar graphs simultaneously:  power, SWR, ALC, and 
compression. In addition you can select numeric display of power, SWR, supply 
voltage and current drain for the status area, which defaults to date/time.

Wayne
N6KR


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> On May 16, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Ray  wrote:
> 
> My K3 has a SWR display next to the RF Power meter in the Display.
> So it Sounds like the K4 Does Not have that type of Display ?
> 
> WA6VAB  K3
> 
> 
> From: Roger Stein
> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 7:11 AM
> To: Tom Doligalski
> Cc: Elecraft List
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Funny K4 Story
> 
> Great story and wisdom moment Tom!
> 
> 73, Roger VA1RST 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 16, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Last week Monday I received K4 SN0110. The Brown Truck came at about 2 PM.
>> 
>> That morning I had checked into an 80M net using my trusty K3. For 8)M is 
>> use an inverted V. All was well.
>> 
>> Monday afternoon was a frenzy of setting up and using the new K4. Pretty 
>> easy setup.
>> 
>> All week long I used the K4. All was good, but I was disappointed at signal 
>> strengths on 80M. I kept thinking that the K4 just couldn’t receive well on 
>> 80M!
>> 
>> Yesterday I was out in the back doing yard work. That’s when I noticed that 
>> the support ropes on BOTH ends of the 80M inverted V had failed, and the the 
>> antenna was lying on the ground!
>> 
>> We had had a storm come through here Monday mid-day, and my supposition is 
>> that the support ropes had failed. I restored the support ropes, and low and 
>> below the K4 works well on 80M again!
>> 
>> I normally would have noticed the change in SWR, and realized that I had an 
>> antenna problem. But, of course, I had tuned the K4 for the first time on 
>> 80M when I received it!
>> 
>> A learning moment (operator error?). Gonna try to check the antennas out a 
>> bit more frequently!
>> 
>> 73, Tom W4KX
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Re: [Elecraft] Funny K4 Story

2021-05-16 Thread Ray

My K3 has a SWR display next to the RF Power meter in the Display.
So it Sounds like the K4 Does Not have that type of Display ?

WA6VAB  K3


From: Roger Stein
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 7:11 AM
To: Tom Doligalski
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Funny K4 Story

Great story and wisdom moment Tom!

73, Roger VA1RST 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Last week Monday I received K4 SN0110. The Brown Truck came at about 2 PM.
> 
> That morning I had checked into an 80M net using my trusty K3. For 8)M is use 
> an inverted V. All was well.
> 
> Monday afternoon was a frenzy of setting up and using the new K4. Pretty easy 
> setup.
> 
> All week long I used the K4. All was good, but I was disappointed at signal 
> strengths on 80M. I kept thinking that the K4 just couldn’t receive well on 
> 80M!
> 
> Yesterday I was out in the back doing yard work. That’s when I noticed that 
> the support ropes on BOTH ends of the 80M inverted V had failed, and the the 
> antenna was lying on the ground!
> 
> We had had a storm come through here Monday mid-day, and my supposition is 
> that the support ropes had failed. I restored the support ropes, and low and 
> below the K4 works well on 80M again!
> 
> I normally would have noticed the change in SWR, and realized that I had an 
> antenna problem. But, of course, I had tuned the K4 for the first time on 80M 
> when I received it!
> 
> A learning moment (operator error?). Gonna try to check the antennas out a 
> bit more frequently!
> 
> 73, Tom W4KX
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Re: [Elecraft] Funny K4 Story

2021-05-16 Thread Roger Stein

Great story and wisdom moment Tom!

73, Roger VA1RST 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Last week Monday I received K4 SN0110. The Brown Truck came at about 2 PM.
> 
> That morning I had checked into an 80M net using my trusty K3. For 8)M is use 
> an inverted V. All was well.
> 
> Monday afternoon was a frenzy of setting up and using the new K4. Pretty easy 
> setup.
> 
> All week long I used the K4. All was good, but I was disappointed at signal 
> strengths on 80M. I kept thinking that the K4 just couldn’t receive well on 
> 80M!
> 
> Yesterday I was out in the back doing yard work. That’s when I noticed that 
> the support ropes on BOTH ends of the 80M inverted V had failed, and the the 
> antenna was lying on the ground!
> 
> We had had a storm come through here Monday mid-day, and my supposition is 
> that the support ropes had failed. I restored the support ropes, and low and 
> below the K4 works well on 80M again!
> 
> I normally would have noticed the change in SWR, and realized that I had an 
> antenna problem. But, of course, I had tuned the K4 for the first time on 80M 
> when I received it!
> 
> A learning moment (operator error?). Gonna try to check the antennas out a 
> bit more frequently!
> 
> 73, Tom W4KX
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[Elecraft] Funny K4 Story

2021-05-16 Thread Tom Doligalski via Elecraft

Last week Monday I received K4 SN0110. The Brown Truck came at about 2 PM.

That morning I had checked into an 80M net using my trusty K3. For 8)M is use 
an inverted V. All was well.

Monday afternoon was a frenzy of setting up and using the new K4. Pretty easy 
setup.

All week long I used the K4. All was good, but I was disappointed at signal 
strengths on 80M. I kept thinking that the K4 just couldn’t receive well on 80M!

Yesterday I was out in the back doing yard work. That’s when I noticed that the 
support ropes on BOTH ends of the 80M inverted V had failed, and the the 
antenna was lying on the ground!

We had had a storm come through here Monday mid-day, and my supposition is that 
the support ropes had failed. I restored the support ropes, and low and below 
the K4 works well on 80M again!

I normally would have noticed the change in SWR, and realized that I had an 
antenna problem. But, of course, I had tuned the K4 for the first time on 80M 
when I received it!

A learning moment (operator error?). Gonna try to check the antennas out a bit 
more frequently!

73, Tom W4KX
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