Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
Let's see Bob. Where are the results posted? In the Contest section of the ARRL web site. How are they listed? By category and total score. Who manages FD? Those who manage ARRL contests? Are there rules like a contest? Yes. Do groups compete against other groups? Yes. Is there more to FD than making QSO's? Yes, somebody told me there was while I was searching through the results database. Is saying "Please copy." OK? Not if you want to make a lot of contacts. Is FD a great, wonderful, fun way to learn about contesting? Yes! Are the words "Not a contest." spoken in jest? Yes, a large percentage of the time. Is it fun to win a category? Oh yeah! Is it fun to come in 4th overall? Oh baby it is! Is it great to have all Elecraft gear at FD? No, it's a necessity to do well if you have more than one rig. I have been (unwillingly) to the Dark Side and prefer the ability to have three rigs on the same band, two of them on SSB, and not experience interference until moving to within 10 kHz. Will I miss competing with a group of friends? I certainly will! Will I still do FD? Is there anything else to do the fourth weekend of June? Will many individuals do it differently than last year? I hope so! Follow your State's Department of Health orders and stay healthy. This pandemic is real. It is not a contest that anyone should take stupid, unsafe steps to play. The listings are sad and we are nowhere close to beating this thing! And please stop whining about the spirit of FD. We're in the middle of a pandemic and you're worried about people making too many contacts or operating differently. Stay within FD rules, get on-the-air somehow, and make as many contacts as you can. If really necessary, enjoy some good food and drink, but not in mass gatherings however your State/County/City defines them. Stay healthy! HamVention 2021 is around the corner. Hopefully, I'll have my K4 before then. 73, Bill, K8TE -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
I remember my first field day, which was actually fairly recently (last 25 years). I had joined the West Valley Amateur Radio Association because I felt I should support a repeater if I wanted to use repeaters as I traveled around the country and "west valley" was where my home was located. Well, the club is seriously into Field Day, with the goal of having as much fun as possible with as little work as possible. We try to qualify for all those 100 point items: emergency power, green power, GOTA, run a class, attract local pols etc. etc. Anyone who wants to get on the air will have a chance at operating, with a elmer if they need it. If you have a license, you can sit in one of the main operating positions. There is also a very active GOTA station for anyone who walks in off the trail that passes the location we use on Mora Hill. Well, that first field day, I had my arm twisted to try PSK on the digital station. I found that PSK was enough like the computer chat rooms which had been product of my company that I could relax and just operate. It was this experience which changed me from an equipment builder to an operator. (I still build equipment.) I moved from there into digital DXing. I caught the contest bug when I discovered I only needed a few QSOs for DXCC. One international DX contest pushed me over 100. I think that year we came in #4 nationally. We always treat the contest part of field day very seriously as well. It turns out that many club members are contesters and for them, a high score is part of having fun. And working with other people to set up a massive field day operation is fun too. Where we aren't particularly good is the food. We aren't permitted to have any kind of fire -- miles of dry grass all around our location -- so all food is brought up from homes or restaurants. So for me, the bottom line is: Lets go have fun. And big scores are a lot of fun. This year, it doesn't seem likely we will get a permit for Mora Hill. The general plan is to have everyone see what they can do by themselves. But, if lightning strikes and the permit comes through, we will see if we can do an operation with proper social distancing. BTW, one comment I have heard from my emcomm buddies is that although there haven't been any problems with normal communications (phones, internet etc.) some emcomm people have been asked to help because they are already familiar with ICS and working with non-ham emergency workers. 73 Bill AE6JV On 5/14/20 at 2:10 PM, j...@audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote: On 5/14/2020 7:56 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: However it has become a "contest" to see who and what organization can accumulate the most points. A contact is a contact, a multiplier is a mathematical term. It has no place in Field Day operation. My first FD was 1956. It has ALWAYS been a contest. It was my first, and it made me a contester! 73, Jim K9YC --- Bill Frantz| When all else fails: | Periwinkle (408)348-7900 | Voice and CW. | 150 Rivermead Rd #235 www.pwpconsult.com | | Peterborough, NH 03458 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
On 5/14/2020 12:31 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: I personally prefer a small pocket-sized notepad and an archaic device made from wood and carbon known as a pencil. Although knowing what a pencil is does require one to be of a “certain age" Back in the day when we had to log on paper, we also had to keep paper dupe sheets, one per band per mode. If you're gonna log on paper, ya gotta do that too. :) An important part of EMCOMM is knowing the rules and following them. FD has rules too, one of them is that you can work a station once per band per mode. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
I agree with what Bob says: So a couple comments: Whether we realize it (or not) the pandemic "is" an emergency, so this year's FD has different restrictions which may not be supported by the "contest rules". 15-years as communications chief for an emergency response organization, the overwhelming reality was every event is different and response must adjust to the changed circumstances. I wrote the "Comm Plan" for each event for ICS. Now retired eleven years. IF you operate FD from home you can simulate some issues (like antenna down or no power). Or if allowed operating in remote locations try single-op mobile/portable. I have a home emergency generator so might simulate loss of power at home running 100w on 20m & 6m. Our local club is still planning on a traditional FD (but state mandates may not allow). 73, Ed - KL7UW -------------- Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD Message-ID: <657b1354-b2bb-0500-ca82-5a9d6b319...@blomand.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I agree, specially on the first sentence.?? I've been participating in FD since the very early '60's.? However it has become a "contest" to see who and what organization can accumulate the most points.? A contact is a contact, a multiplier is a mathematical term.??? It has no place in Field Day operation. 73 Bob, K4TAX 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
If it were NOT a contest, there would be NO reason to post standings in the QST magazine because 'points' would have no meaning. Rick NK7I On 5/14/2020 11:17 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: From ARRL - At its core, Field Day is a local event and an opportunity for local amateur radio clubs to showcase the skills, science and technologies that make radio communication such a wonderful hobby and a valuable public service. I see nothing about this being a contest. Bob, K4TAX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
The KX2 has built-in logging of all text sent with the keyer paddle. You can later scroll back through the data and transfer contacts to a formal log. In practice I stop and log contacts, locations, and conditions on paper, even during FD. Running 10 watts hand-held, every contact is an achievement and an adventure :) I recommend everyone try it at least once. Wayne N6KR > On May 14, 2020, at 12:22 PM, brianchapn...@rogers.com wrote: > > How do you manage to keep a log at the same time? > > Brian VE3GMZ > > > > Sent via BlackBerry Hub+ Inbox for Android > > > Original Message > > > From: n...@elecraft.com > Sent: May 14, 2020 3:05 p.m. > To: donw...@embarqmail.com > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD > > > Thanks for the memory, Don. > > FD has always been a contest to me--more fun than any other. I nearly always > operate QRP/portable, sometimes entirely hand-held (with the KX2), dragging a > counterpoise wire for miles, up and down hills. (Who needs a gym membership?) > > I was 14 at my first FD. I learned some hard lessons about how *not* to put a > PL259 connector on RG8. A grizzled veteran laughed at my mess, then showed me > The Way. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > >> On May 14, 2020, at 11:46 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> Yes Wayne, it was one of the greatest Field Days of all. You could track >> the course of sunlight on 10 meters (which went dead at sundown), and there >> was a lot of activity. >> I was 17 in 1957, and had been licensed since '55 >> >> While the ARRL did not list it as a contest, it was regarded as a contest by >> most all operators - the ARRL also posted the high scorers at the top of >> each category. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 5/14/2020 2:20 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Jim, >>> I bet FD in 1957 was a real hoot (at the record peak of the sunspot cycle). >>> (FWIW, I was born in '57, which explains a lot.) >>> Wayne >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brianchapn...@rogers.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
I personally prefer a small pocket-sized notepad and an archaic device made from wood and carbon known as a pencil. Although knowing what a pencil is does require one to be of a “certain age" :-) And there are smart phone logging apps as well … Grant NQ5T > On May 14, 2020, at 3:22 PM, brianchapn...@rogers.com wrote: > > How do you manage to keep a log at the same time? > > Brian VE3GMZ > > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
How do you manage to keep a log at the same time? Brian VE3GMZ Sent via BlackBerry Hub+ Inbox for Android Original Message From: n...@elecraft.com Sent: May 14, 2020 3:05 p.m. To: donw...@embarqmail.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD Thanks for the memory, Don. FD has always been a contest to me--more fun than any other. I nearly always operate QRP/portable, sometimes entirely hand-held (with the KX2), dragging a counterpoise wire for miles, up and down hills. (Who needs a gym membership?) I was 14 at my first FD. I learned some hard lessons about how *not* to put a PL259 connector on RG8. A grizzled veteran laughed at my mess, then showed me The Way. Wayne N6KR > On May 14, 2020, at 11:46 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Yes Wayne, it was one of the greatest Field Days of all. You could track the > course of sunlight on 10 meters (which went dead at sundown), and there was a > lot of activity. > I was 17 in 1957, and had been licensed since '55 > > While the ARRL did not list it as a contest, it was regarded as a contest by > most all operators - the ARRL also posted the high scorers at the top of each > category. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 5/14/2020 2:20 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Jim, >> I bet FD in 1957 was a real hoot (at the record peak of the sunspot cycle). >> (FWIW, I was born in '57, which explains a lot.) >> Wayne > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to brianchapn...@rogers.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
Thanks for the memory, Don. FD has always been a contest to me--more fun than any other. I nearly always operate QRP/portable, sometimes entirely hand-held (with the KX2), dragging a counterpoise wire for miles, up and down hills. (Who needs a gym membership?) I was 14 at my first FD. I learned some hard lessons about how *not* to put a PL259 connector on RG8. A grizzled veteran laughed at my mess, then showed me The Way. Wayne N6KR > On May 14, 2020, at 11:46 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Yes Wayne, it was one of the greatest Field Days of all. You could track the > course of sunlight on 10 meters (which went dead at sundown), and there was a > lot of activity. > I was 17 in 1957, and had been licensed since '55 > > While the ARRL did not list it as a contest, it was regarded as a contest by > most all operators - the ARRL also posted the high scorers at the top of each > category. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 5/14/2020 2:20 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Jim, >> I bet FD in 1957 was a real hoot (at the record peak of the sunspot cycle). >> (FWIW, I was born in '57, which explains a lot.) >> Wayne > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Field-Day/2019/2019%20FD%20Flier%20-%20What%20is%20FD.pdf ARRL says it’s “an informal contest” and says that the “contest part” is to contact as many folks as possible, as well as what Bob notes. Everybody is right, but this duality has more than once created a bit of tension between the picnickers and the contesters in my neck of the woods. Whatever, it’s been the best testament to the front end of a K3 I‘be experienced. Scott ka9p Sent from my iPad > On May 14, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > From ARRL - At its core, Field Day is a local event and an opportunity for > local amateur radio clubs to showcase the skills, science and technologies > that make radio communication such a wonderful hobby and a valuable public > service. > > I see nothing about this being a contest. > > Bob, K4TAX > > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On May 14, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >>> >>> On 5/14/2020 7:56 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >>> However it has become a "contest" to see who and what organization can >>> accumulate the most points. A contact is a contact, a multiplier is a >>> mathematical term.It has no place in Field Day operation. >> >> My first FD was 1956. It has ALWAYS been a contest. It was my first, and it >> made me a contester! >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> Then W8FNI >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k...@aol.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
Yes Wayne, it was one of the greatest Field Days of all. You could track the course of sunlight on 10 meters (which went dead at sundown), and there was a lot of activity. I was 17 in 1957, and had been licensed since '55 While the ARRL did not list it as a contest, it was regarded as a contest by most all operators - the ARRL also posted the high scorers at the top of each category. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/14/2020 2:20 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Jim, I bet FD in 1957 was a real hoot (at the record peak of the sunspot cycle). (FWIW, I was born in '57, which explains a lot.) Wayne __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
On 5/14/2020 11:17 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: From ARRL - At its core, *Field Day* is a local event and an opportunity for local amateur radio clubs to showcase the skills, science and technologies that make radio communication such a wonderful hobby and a valuable public service. I see nothing about this being a contest. Yeah, they've been saying that for years. Saying something doesn't make it true. For the vast majority of contesters of my generation, it was our first contest. It's a "gateway drug." And if you don't think it's a contest, you've never been part of a club that takes FD seriously. The club I participated with in Chicago was, and still is, one of the top three in its class, usually #1 or #2, and our current group in W6 has won 1AB three times. Important parts of doing well in FD are searching for and getting permission for a good site that is RF quiet and has good possibilities for rigging antennas, checking out all the gear in advance, selecting radios that play well together in a multi-transmitter environment (Elecraft is a big winner), rejecting those that don't (el-cheapo 160-440MHz for $1K junk), learning how to separate antennas to minimize interference between stations while maximizing performance, checking out every part of our stations in advance. There's a lot to be learned that prepares us for emergencies from every element of what I've outlined above. FD SHOULD also teach "short and sweet" operating procedures that are directly applicable for emergency operation -- that's when I first learned it from my contesting Elmer, W8FUM. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
Yes, I recall trying to work some guy in Ohio (from New York) on 10m AM phone and those pesky JA stations covered him up. The guy with the gooney box on 6 meters was really rolling them up, though, all over North America. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 14/05/2020 21:20, Wayne Burdick wrote: Jim, I bet FD in 1957 was a real hoot (at the record peak of the sunspot cycle). (FWIW, I was born in '57, which explains a lot.) Wayne On May 14, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Jim Brown wrote: On 5/14/2020 7:56 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: However it has become a "contest" to see who and what organization can accumulate the most points. A contact is a contact, a multiplier is a mathematical term. It has no place in Field Day operation. My first FD was 1956. It has ALWAYS been a contest. It was my first, and it made me a contester! 73, Jim K9YC Then W8FNI __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered ton...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered tok2vco@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
Good thing ARRL keeps score and publishes results, appeasing those of us with a competitive streak! 73 Josh W6XU Sent from my mobile device > On May 14, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > I see nothing about this being a contest. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
Field day can be both an operating event and a contest. This is not an either/or situation. The stated purpose is what ARRL says it is. The incentive to participate, the icing on the cake, is a contest that is part of the event. You can get 950 points with zero QSOs. I’m assuming that the emergency power bonus does not apply if you don’t make any contacts. If it does, then you can score 1050. The rest of the score comes from contest-style contacts plus GOTA and youth contacts. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On May 14, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > From ARRL - At its core, Field Day is a local event and an opportunity for > local amateur radio clubs to showcase the skills, science and technologies > that make radio communication such a wonderful hobby and a valuable public > service. > > I see nothing about this being a contest. > > Bob, K4TAX > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 14, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> >> On 5/14/2020 7:56 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >>> However it has become a "contest" to see who and what organization can >>> accumulate the most points. A contact is a contact, a multiplier is a >>> mathematical term.It has no place in Field Day operation. >> >> My first FD was 1956. It has ALWAYS been a contest. It was my first, and it >> made me a contester! >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> Then W8FNI >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
I thought FD was all about potlucks and greasy food :) John K7FD > On May 14, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On 5/14/2020 7:56 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >> However it has become a "contest" to see who and what organization can >> accumulate the most points. A contact is a contact, a multiplier is a >> mathematical term.It has no place in Field Day operation. > > My first FD was 1956. It has ALWAYS been a contest. It was my first, and it > made me a contester! > > 73, Jim K9YC > Then W8FNI > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to macymonk...@charter.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
Jim, I bet FD in 1957 was a real hoot (at the record peak of the sunspot cycle). (FWIW, I was born in '57, which explains a lot.) Wayne > On May 14, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On 5/14/2020 7:56 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >> However it has become a "contest" to see who and what organization can >> accumulate the most points. A contact is a contact, a multiplier is a >> mathematical term.It has no place in Field Day operation. > > My first FD was 1956. It has ALWAYS been a contest. It was my first, and it > made me a contester! > > 73, Jim K9YC > Then W8FNI > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
From ARRL - At its core, Field Day is a local event and an opportunity for local amateur radio clubs to showcase the skills, science and technologies that make radio communication such a wonderful hobby and a valuable public service. I see nothing about this being a contest. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On May 14, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On 5/14/2020 7:56 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >> However it has become a "contest" to see who and what organization can >> accumulate the most points. A contact is a contact, a multiplier is a >> mathematical term.It has no place in Field Day operation. > > My first FD was 1956. It has ALWAYS been a contest. It was my first, and it > made me a contester! > > 73, Jim K9YC > Then W8FNI > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
> On May 14, 2020, at 6:41 AM, Bob N3MNT wrote: > > We have always made the assumption that we would still be able to gather to > accomplish this. Interesting. I never make that assumption in em-comm. Having other people is handy, but each operator must be self-sufficient. Putting up the massive club station? Yeah, that needs a lot of people and won’t happen this year. Here are some photos from 2017, with seven towers, including a 40 m beam. https://www.flickr.com/photos/walter_underwood/albums/72157683147971341 wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
On 5/14/2020 7:56 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: However it has become a "contest" to see who and what organization can accumulate the most points. A contact is a contact, a multiplier is a mathematical term. It has no place in Field Day operation. My first FD was 1956. It has ALWAYS been a contest. It was my first, and it made me a contester! 73, Jim K9YC Then W8FNI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
I agree, specially on the first sentence. I've been participating in FD since the very early '60's. However it has become a "contest" to see who and what organization can accumulate the most points. A contact is a contact, a multiplier is a mathematical term. It has no place in Field Day operation. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 5/14/2020 8:41 AM, Bob N3MNT wrote: I have always seen Field Day as a way to practice/demonstrate the ability to communicate under emergency conditions. In the past those conditions were assumed to be things like major storms or other natural disasters that disrupted normal communications/power. We have always made the assumption that we would still be able to gather to accomplish this. This means that we would have multiple people available to erect temporary antennas and set up stations. I see this year as just adding another hurdle to overcome in demonstrating the ultimate goal of being able to communicate under a major disaster/emergency. Rather than opting out this year, we should accept the new challenge and do what Hams do best innovate. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
I have always seen Field Day as a way to practice/demonstrate the ability to communicate under emergency conditions. In the past those conditions were assumed to be things like major storms or other natural disasters that disrupted normal communications/power. We have always made the assumption that we would still be able to gather to accomplish this. This means that we would have multiple people available to erect temporary antennas and set up stations. I see this year as just adding another hurdle to overcome in demonstrating the ultimate goal of being able to communicate under a major disaster/emergency. Rather than opting out this year, we should accept the new challenge and do what Hams do best innovate. -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
Does anyone have info about remote control of KX3/KX2? I'm interested also... In remote control of KX3, not opinions on social distancing. 73 all Dean K2WW On Wed, May 13, 2020, 17:36 Lyn Norstad wrote: > I can operate pretty much self-contained from home, and do so for > statewide ARES exercises, where I serve as a designated OES in Illinois. > > I don't need outside electricity, phones, internet or repeaters. I gather > messages (ICS-2130) from field stations via VHF/UHF Simplex (mostly) with a > little portable HF thrown in and relay to our State ECOM HQ in Springfield > on 80 meters P2P. > > The distance is about 280 miles, and is just right for my "purpose > designed" 80 meter EDZ antenna. > > 73 > Lyn, W0LEN > > > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto: > elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dan Presley > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:59 PM > To: K2 > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD > > I’ll comment briefly about what we’re doing but I don’t want this to > morph into a discussion about what others may think or wish to do for FD. > Remote operating is as likely in a disaster scenario as any other-all > depends on your infrastructure and whether you rely on conventional > internet access or other networks. Nothing wrong with home operation or > solo portable either. Field day this year is what you choose to do > comfortably and explore options to keep you safe. Our setup is designed for > near total isolation and no close contact with other operators. Oregon has > strict guidelines that we’ll follow-so far we have the lowest rate of > infection in the country and plan to keep it that way. Exploring remote > operating will also benefit many hams that may not have access to larger > antennas or quieter locations well beyond this particular event. If you > want to know more about our plans I’m happy to discuss that off the > reflector. > So-what are options for remote control of the KX3 and KX2? > > Dan Presley 503-701-3871 > danpresley@me. com > n7...@arrl.net > > > > On May 12, 2020, at 19:20, Brian Hunt wrote: > > > > We usually set up FD at one of the state beaches here in NorCal but not > this year. Parking is all closed off and no special event permits are being > processed. We will have an individual effort also. I'll be running my KX2 > or K1 off the aux battery I pull from the Land Rover just like I would if > the big one hits. CW only so no computer needed except for logging (which > can run from mains power per the rules). Gonna be different!! > > > > GL all. > > > > 73, > > Brian, K0DTJ > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dean.k...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
I can operate pretty much self-contained from home, and do so for statewide ARES exercises, where I serve as a designated OES in Illinois. I don't need outside electricity, phones, internet or repeaters. I gather messages (ICS-2130) from field stations via VHF/UHF Simplex (mostly) with a little portable HF thrown in and relay to our State ECOM HQ in Springfield on 80 meters P2P. The distance is about 280 miles, and is just right for my "purpose designed" 80 meter EDZ antenna. 73 Lyn, W0LEN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dan Presley Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:59 PM To: K2 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD I’ll comment briefly about what we’re doing but I don’t want this to morph into a discussion about what others may think or wish to do for FD. Remote operating is as likely in a disaster scenario as any other-all depends on your infrastructure and whether you rely on conventional internet access or other networks. Nothing wrong with home operation or solo portable either. Field day this year is what you choose to do comfortably and explore options to keep you safe. Our setup is designed for near total isolation and no close contact with other operators. Oregon has strict guidelines that we’ll follow-so far we have the lowest rate of infection in the country and plan to keep it that way. Exploring remote operating will also benefit many hams that may not have access to larger antennas or quieter locations well beyond this particular event. If you want to know more about our plans I’m happy to discuss that off the reflector. So-what are options for remote control of the KX3 and KX2? Dan Presley 503-701-3871 danpresley@me. com n7...@arrl.net > On May 12, 2020, at 19:20, Brian Hunt wrote: > > We usually set up FD at one of the state beaches here in NorCal but not this > year. Parking is all closed off and no special event permits are being > processed. We will have an individual effort also. I'll be running my KX2 or > K1 off the aux battery I pull from the Land Rover just like I would if the > big one hits. CW only so no computer needed except for logging (which can run > from mains power per the rules). Gonna be different!! > > GL all. > > 73, > Brian, K0DTJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
I’ll comment briefly about what we’re doing but I don’t want this to morph into a discussion about what others may think or wish to do for FD. Remote operating is as likely in a disaster scenario as any other-all depends on your infrastructure and whether you rely on conventional internet access or other networks. Nothing wrong with home operation or solo portable either. Field day this year is what you choose to do comfortably and explore options to keep you safe. Our setup is designed for near total isolation and no close contact with other operators. Oregon has strict guidelines that we’ll follow-so far we have the lowest rate of infection in the country and plan to keep it that way. Exploring remote operating will also benefit many hams that may not have access to larger antennas or quieter locations well beyond this particular event. If you want to know more about our plans I’m happy to discuss that off the reflector. So-what are options for remote control of the KX3 and KX2? Dan Presley 503-701-3871 danpresley@me. com n7...@arrl.net > On May 12, 2020, at 19:20, Brian Hunt wrote: > > We usually set up FD at one of the state beaches here in NorCal but not this > year. Parking is all closed off and no special event permits are being > processed. We will have an individual effort also. I'll be running my KX2 or > K1 off the aux battery I pull from the Land Rover just like I would if the > big one hits. CW only so no computer needed except for logging (which can run > from mains power per the rules). Gonna be different!! > > GL all. > > 73, > Brian, K0DTJ > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7...@arrl.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
We usually set up FD at one of the state beaches here in NorCal but not this year. Parking is all closed off and no special event permits are being processed. We will have an individual effort also. I'll be running my KX2 or K1 off the aux battery I pull from the Land Rover just like I would if the big one hits. CW only so no computer needed except for logging (which can run from mains power per the rules). Gonna be different!! GL all. 73, Brian, K0DTJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
With the current COVID-19 conditions, I'll be staying at home. No Field Day participation for me. Many in our club feel the same way. Too risky. The objective of Field Day originally was to show and demonstrate capability of station operating under simulated conditions. Thus no phones, no electricity, and no internet. So with this, how does one expect to operate remote? 73 Bob, K4TAX On 5/12/2020 5:33 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On 5/12/2020 3:19 PM, Dan Presley wrote: I was curious what folks might be doing for remote setups for field day Speaking for myself as a genuine OF with some medical issues, my wife and I are distancing until we can get a known good vaccine. Our long time FD group consists entirely of OFs, and we made the decision more than a month ago not to do FD as a group. Wishing that everyone stays healthy, we urge others to operate FD from home. It's a great time to check out backup power. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
On 5/12/2020 3:19 PM, Dan Presley wrote: I was curious what folks might be doing for remote setups for field day Speaking for myself as a genuine OF with some medical issues, my wife and I are distancing until we can get a known good vaccine. Our long time FD group consists entirely of OFs, and we made the decision more than a month ago not to do FD as a group. Wishing that everyone stays healthy, we urge others to operate FD from home. It's a great time to check out backup power. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] KX3/KX2 remote for FD
I was curious what folks might be doing for remote setups for field day,in particular for the KX3 and KX2. Our club has a great 5 acre site with tall trees that we’ll use to spread out,but it would be nice to have a remote option as well. We have a bunch of KX3s and 2s-no K3 or K4s as yet-well almost no one has a 4! I have a pignology-piglet setup but I don’t think that’ll work for true internet remote-just short range Bluetooth. Let me know-thanks! Dan Presley 503-701-3871 danpresley@me. com n7...@arrl.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
