Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Jwahar Bammi via Elecraft]

Can I humbly suggest looking at the excellent offerings from Hans Summers and 
qrp-labs.
The QCX and the upcoming QSX fit the bill. The QCX i dare say, is hands down 
the best kit, with the exemplary documentation and support both from the 
community and Hans himself. It bests even Heathkit of yesterday, and may match 
performance you would expect from a K1.

http://qrp-labs.com/qcx.html 

All the kits from qrp-labs are thru-hole with the surface mounted components 
pre-mounted on the pcb. 

As the license manual says I have no "pecuniary interest”  in qrp-labs, just a 
enthusiastic customer.

73 de kc1ccr
bammi

> 
> While I appreciate the sentiments, I don't think we'd want to authorize a 
> clone of the K1. In addition to the copyrighted PCBs, there's a lot of IP in 
> the firmware needed to run the radio, band modules, ATU, etc.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[hawley, charles j jr]

Hey, I have a dumb idea. How about a K1 box with a KX2 inside. Sort of. 
Actually might be nice to have some room inside.

Chuck Jack Hawley 
KE9UW

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> On Jun 7, 2019, at 10:38 AM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> While I appreciate the sentiments, I don't think we'd want to authorize a 
> clone of the K1. In addition to the copyrighted PCBs, there's a lot of IP in 
> the firmware needed to run the radio, band modules, ATU, etc.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 11:29 AM, Glen Torr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Petr,
>>> 
>>> If their are lots of us interested we could do a replica. I do PCBs and PIC
>>> programming for a radio telescope (part time, I am an old fart).
>>> 
>>> Is this doable?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Glen VK1FB
>>> 
 On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 8:16 pm, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS  
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 check the price of rare K1 on eBay. K1 goes still so extremely high (if
 some
 K1 is available) on the auctions that it definitely shows how K1 is wanted
 and valued even another radios like KX2, KX1 etc. are on the market! try to
 thinking with coffee in hands "why...?"
 
 K1 is on of the most quiet receiver at all and several time it listenning
 better then SDR radios with modern s/w features. Believe me, I have K3,
 KX3,
 K2, SST, Wilderness Sierra and few K1s and I am using all of them
 intensively so I know what I am talking about...
 
 I am pretty sure that there is much more then "just" thousand of hams ready
 to buy it but I do not believe that someone in Elecraft will spend time
 with
 K1 resumption. Most of parts is obsolete (PA, driver, T/R, relays, IOs etc.
 so it must be re-worked completey with new parts (not redesigned...!)
 and it is time consumtion with no long time business vision model.
 
 ...but just in case > I am in 997 to go. :)
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Wayne Burdick]

While I appreciate the sentiments, I don't think we'd want to authorize a clone 
of the K1. In addition to the copyrighted PCBs, there's a lot of IP in the 
firmware needed to run the radio, band modules, ATU, etc.

Wayne
N6KR


> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 11:29 AM, Glen Torr  wrote:
>> 
>> Petr,
>> 
>> If their are lots of us interested we could do a replica. I do PCBs and PIC
>> programming for a radio telescope (part time, I am an old fart).
>> 
>> Is this doable?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Glen VK1FB
>> 
>>> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 8:16 pm, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> check the price of rare K1 on eBay. K1 goes still so extremely high (if
>>> some
>>> K1 is available) on the auctions that it definitely shows how K1 is wanted
>>> and valued even another radios like KX2, KX1 etc. are on the market! try to
>>> thinking with coffee in hands "why...?"
>>> 
>>> K1 is on of the most quiet receiver at all and several time it listenning
>>> better then SDR radios with modern s/w features. Believe me, I have K3,
>>> KX3,
>>> K2, SST, Wilderness Sierra and few K1s and I am using all of them
>>> intensively so I know what I am talking about...
>>> 
>>> I am pretty sure that there is much more then "just" thousand of hams ready
>>> to buy it but I do not believe that someone in Elecraft will spend time
>>> with
>>> K1 resumption. Most of parts is obsolete (PA, driver, T/R, relays, IOs etc.
>>> so it must be re-worked completey with new parts (not redesigned...!)
>>> and it is time consumtion with no long time business vision model.
>>> 
>>> ...but just in case > I am in 997 to go. :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>>> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
>>> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Paul Gacek via Elecraft]

Glen

Maybe but a long shot. My sense is that while Elecraft is exceptionally busy 
with the K4, if any real serious commercial life was left in the K1 then 
Elecraft understandably would want to exploit it.

The but comes from Wayne granting the right for the NorCal 40 to be “copied” 
but only as a non profit do it yourself project that has a PCB at cost (I 
think).

Paul
W6PNG/M0SNA 

> On Jun 7, 2019, at 11:29 AM, Glen Torr  wrote:
> 
> Petr,
> 
> If their are lots of us interested we could do a replica. I do PCBs and PIC
> programming for a radio telescope (part time, I am an old fart).
> 
> Is this doable?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Glen VK1FB
> 
>> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 8:16 pm, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> check the price of rare K1 on eBay. K1 goes still so extremely high (if
>> some
>> K1 is available) on the auctions that it definitely shows how K1 is wanted
>> and valued even another radios like KX2, KX1 etc. are on the market! try to
>> thinking with coffee in hands "why...?"
>> 
>> K1 is on of the most quiet receiver at all and several time it listenning
>> better then SDR radios with modern s/w features. Believe me, I have K3,
>> KX3,
>> K2, SST, Wilderness Sierra and few K1s and I am using all of them
>> intensively so I know what I am talking about...
>> 
>> I am pretty sure that there is much more then "just" thousand of hams ready
>> to buy it but I do not believe that someone in Elecraft will spend time
>> with
>> K1 resumption. Most of parts is obsolete (PA, driver, T/R, relays, IOs etc.
>> so it must be re-worked completey with new parts (not redesigned...!)
>> and it is time consumtion with no long time business vision model.
>> 
>> ...but just in case > I am in 997 to go. :)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Glen Torr]

Petr,

If their are lots of us interested we could do a replica. I do PCBs and PIC
programming for a radio telescope (part time, I am an old fart).

Is this doable?

Cheers,

Glen VK1FB

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 8:16 pm, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> check the price of rare K1 on eBay. K1 goes still so extremely high (if
> some
> K1 is available) on the auctions that it definitely shows how K1 is wanted
> and valued even another radios like KX2, KX1 etc. are on the market! try to
> thinking with coffee in hands "why...?"
>
> K1 is on of the most quiet receiver at all and several time it listenning
> better then SDR radios with modern s/w features. Believe me, I have K3,
> KX3,
> K2, SST, Wilderness Sierra and few K1s and I am using all of them
> intensively so I know what I am talking about...
>
> I am pretty sure that there is much more then "just" thousand of hams ready
> to buy it but I do not believe that someone in Elecraft will spend time
> with
> K1 resumption. Most of parts is obsolete (PA, driver, T/R, relays, IOs etc.
> so it must be re-worked completey with new parts (not redesigned...!)
> and it is time consumtion with no long time business vision model.
>
> ...but just in case > I am in 997 to go. :)
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS]

Hi all,

check the price of rare K1 on eBay. K1 goes still so extremely high (if some
K1 is available) on the auctions that it definitely shows how K1 is wanted
and valued even another radios like KX2, KX1 etc. are on the market! try to
thinking with coffee in hands "why...?"

K1 is on of the most quiet receiver at all and several time it listenning
better then SDR radios with modern s/w features. Believe me, I have K3, KX3,
K2, SST, Wilderness Sierra and few K1s and I am using all of them
intensively so I know what I am talking about...

I am pretty sure that there is much more then "just" thousand of hams ready
to buy it but I do not believe that someone in Elecraft will spend time with
K1 resumption. Most of parts is obsolete (PA, driver, T/R, relays, IOs etc.
so it must be re-worked completey with new parts (not redesigned...!)
and it is time consumtion with no long time business vision model. 

...but just in case > I am in 997 to go. :)





-
73 - Petr, OK1RP 
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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Edward R Cole]

Its a skill that one needs time and practise to master.  I used to 
run a home business building smd kits for others after a career as a 
component level technician where I did smd repairs.  But the last 
generation of MOT intrinsically safe radios required a $10,000 school 
and a dedicated repair station to be qualified by MOT to do repair 
work.  MOT instituted a flat-rate repair service for about $150 per 
radio which turned me into a troubleshooter and shipping dept.  I 
retired a few years after that.


I bought a Haako FX-951 repair station for that business and used a 
lighted magnifier.


SMD assembly is much faster/cheaper and can be automated on a 
production line with better reliability than human-built.  That's why 
todays tech does system troubleshooting to the board level and then 
board replacement.  New boards are cheaper than paying the tech to 
repair them.  Most commercial radio shops charge $100-$125/hour for 
servicing.  Another ten years and there will no longer be component 
level techs.


Very hard for a small business to compete using a human production 
line of solderers.  Probably only find a small line to build 
pre-production units for testing/re-engineering.

-

There probably aren?t more than a handful  of folks who could 
actually build an SMD kit of any size without having to send it back 
to Elecraft to be built or to fix the mess.


Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342


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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[EricJ]

#1 would be true for thru-hole components. SMD components on a board in, 
say, a K3 were ramped up to about 225 deg C (435 deg F) over SEVERAL 
minutes. They're designed to withstand those temps. I don't know what 
the little heat gun I use puts out, but it doesn't burn paper which 
famously burns at Fahrenheit 451.


#2 It happens. When the solder goes molten, the surface tension moves 
parts around a little. Usually, it tends to position the part on the 
pads better than you can with tweezers on clean pads. Sometimes parts 
stand on end. Not a problem reheat it and push it down. Things don't 
always go perfectly on thru-hole either. Don Wilhelm helps people nearly 
every day with problems that turn out to be soldering related on K2's. 
They happen to everyone. Not a big problem.


BTW, notice that the solder paste on the IC is not carefully applied to 
each pad. Instead, the solder is applied ACROSS the pins in two lines. 
When it goes molten, the surface tension positions the parts and draws 
up any solder bridges onto the pads. Doesn't always work, but I've done 
some large ICs that way without solder bridges. When it happens, dab the 
connection with an iron and the bridge disappears. Safe and easy.


I understand not everyone has the eyesight or dexterity for it, and not 
for all sizes of SMDs. I avoid the very small stuff as do most hams who 
use SMD. Amateur radio is about new technical challenges whether 
building or operating. This is a very accessible and useful skill that 
can be acquired with inexpensive tools and a little practice.


Eric KE6US

On 6/6/2019 1:31 PM, Al Lorona wrote:

  1/ It always seemed to me that this method heats up the components much more 
than using a simple soldering iron, where you can pause between soldering each 
pad to allow heat to dissipate.

2/ Is that a capacitor standing up at about the 1:12 mark? Not good.

Al  W6LX

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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Gwen Patton]

I have serious issues with dexterity as a complication from a broken neck
in 2006. I've used sport lock picking as a form of occupational therapy. It
has really helped me keep and improve my hand and finger coordination. That
translates well to soldering capability. It's not perfect, but it's better
than it would be otherwise.

73,
Gwen, NG3P


On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 4:07 PM demindor  wrote:

> So true...
>
> Eyesight and finger dexterity are the right tools as well. And, as it
> was so astutely stated - not everyone has the right tools. Let me add
> one thing - not everyone has the right tools in their peak condition.
>
> I used to dismiss this argument myself. Now I am ashamed that I did.
>
> (My apologies, the first time I sent it out I forgot to add the
> mail-list address.)
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 12:58 PM demindor  wrote:
> >
> > So true...
> >
> > Eyesight and finger dexterity are the right tools as well. And, as it
> > was so astutely stated - not everyone has the right tools. Let me add
> > one thing - not everyone has the right tools in their peak condition.
> >
> > I used to dismiss this argument myself. Now I am ashamed that I did.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 12:43 PM Grant Youngman 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > That’s the key, of course. Most don’t have the right tools ...
> regardless, I think it would be a losing proposition since it would require
> basically re-engineering the radio ..
> > >
> > > Grant NQ5T
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > >
> > > > With the right tools building surface mount can be easier than thu
> hole.
> > > >
> > > > ---Paul AK1P
> > > >
> > > >> On 6/6/2019 3:18 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> > > >> There probably aren’t more than a handful  of folks who could
> actually build an SMD kit of any size without having to send it back to
> Elecraft to be built or to fix the mess.
> > > >>
> > > >> Grant NQ5T
> > > >> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Gwen Patton  wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I have a decent soldering station, but for SMD beyond a few parts
> I don't
> > > >>> use a soldering iron. I use an i-Extruder pencil (a stepper-motor
> powered
> > > >>> syringe dispenser) to apply dots of solder paste to the pads, then
> tweezers
> > > >>> to pick-and-place the components. If it's a small area, I use my
> hot air
> > > >>> station to melt the paste and solder the parts. If it's a larger
> board, I
> > > >>> use a microcontroller-driven heating plate called a ReflowR to
> precisely
> > > >>> ramp up the heat, melt the paste, and cool it off so as to cause
> the least
> > > >>> thermal shock to the board or the components.
> > > >>>
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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Al Lorona]

 1/ It always seemed to me that this method heats up the components much more 
than using a simple soldering iron, where you can pause between soldering each 
pad to allow heat to dissipate.

2/ Is that a capacitor standing up at about the 1:12 mark? Not good.

Al  W6LX

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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[demindor]

So true...

Eyesight and finger dexterity are the right tools as well. And, as it
was so astutely stated - not everyone has the right tools. Let me add
one thing - not everyone has the right tools in their peak condition.

I used to dismiss this argument myself. Now I am ashamed that I did.

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On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 12:58 PM demindor  wrote:
>
> So true...
>
> Eyesight and finger dexterity are the right tools as well. And, as it
> was so astutely stated - not everyone has the right tools. Let me add
> one thing - not everyone has the right tools in their peak condition.
>
> I used to dismiss this argument myself. Now I am ashamed that I did.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 12:43 PM Grant Youngman  wrote:
> >
> > That’s the key, of course. Most don’t have the right tools ... regardless, 
> > I think it would be a losing proposition since it would require basically 
> > re-engineering the radio ..
> >
> > Grant NQ5T
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > >
> > > With the right tools building surface mount can be easier than thu hole.
> > >
> > > ---Paul AK1P
> > >
> > >> On 6/6/2019 3:18 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> > >> There probably aren’t more than a handful  of folks who could actually 
> > >> build an SMD kit of any size without having to send it back to Elecraft 
> > >> to be built or to fix the mess.
> > >>
> > >> Grant NQ5T
> > >> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
> > >>
> > >>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Gwen Patton  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I have a decent soldering station, but for SMD beyond a few parts I 
> > >>> don't
> > >>> use a soldering iron. I use an i-Extruder pencil (a stepper-motor 
> > >>> powered
> > >>> syringe dispenser) to apply dots of solder paste to the pads, then 
> > >>> tweezers
> > >>> to pick-and-place the components. If it's a small area, I use my hot air
> > >>> station to melt the paste and solder the parts. If it's a larger board, 
> > >>> I
> > >>> use a microcontroller-driven heating plate called a ReflowR to precisely
> > >>> ramp up the heat, melt the paste, and cool it off so as to cause the 
> > >>> least
> > >>> thermal shock to the board or the components.
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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Walter Underwood]

Heathkit has a kit to learn surface mount soldering. You build a code practice 
oscillator.

https://shop.heathkit.com/shop/product/heathrulestm-cpo-active-rulertm-surface-mount-solder-skills-learning-kit-er-1001-40

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> On Jun 6, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Paul Maciel  wrote:
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> Hi Grant,
> 
> There certainly were a lot more than a handful that build the NorCal 2030 
> that had a surface parts count close if not more that the K1.
> 
> With the right tools building surface mount can be easier than thu hole.
> 
> ---Paul AK1P
> 
> On 6/6/2019 3:18 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
>> There probably aren’t more than a handful  of folks who could actually build 
>> an SMD kit of any size without having to send it back to Elecraft to be 
>> built or to fix the mess.
>> 
>> Grant NQ5T
>> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Gwen Patton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a decent soldering station, but for SMD beyond a few parts I don't
>>> use a soldering iron. I use an i-Extruder pencil (a stepper-motor powered
>>> syringe dispenser) to apply dots of solder paste to the pads, then tweezers
>>> to pick-and-place the components. If it's a small area, I use my hot air
>>> station to melt the paste and solder the parts. If it's a larger board, I
>>> use a microcontroller-driven heating plate called a ReflowR to precisely
>>> ramp up the heat, melt the paste, and cool it off so as to cause the least
>>> thermal shock to the board or the components.
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Grant Youngman]

That’s the key, of course. Most don’t have the right tools ... regardless, I 
think it would be a losing proposition since it would require basically 
re-engineering the radio .. 

Grant NQ5T

Sent from my iPhone

> 
> With the right tools building surface mount can be easier than thu hole.
> 
> ---Paul AK1P
> 
>> On 6/6/2019 3:18 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
>> There probably aren’t more than a handful  of folks who could actually build 
>> an SMD kit of any size without having to send it back to Elecraft to be 
>> built or to fix the mess.
>> 
>> Grant NQ5T
>> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Gwen Patton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a decent soldering station, but for SMD beyond a few parts I don't
>>> use a soldering iron. I use an i-Extruder pencil (a stepper-motor powered
>>> syringe dispenser) to apply dots of solder paste to the pads, then tweezers
>>> to pick-and-place the components. If it's a small area, I use my hot air
>>> station to melt the paste and solder the parts. If it's a larger board, I
>>> use a microcontroller-driven heating plate called a ReflowR to precisely
>>> ramp up the heat, melt the paste, and cool it off so as to cause the least
>>> thermal shock to the board or the components.
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Paul Maciel]

Hi Grant,

There certainly were a lot more than a handful that build the NorCal 
2030 that had a surface parts count close if not more that the K1.


With the right tools building surface mount can be easier than thu hole.

---Paul AK1P

On 6/6/2019 3:18 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:

There probably aren’t more than a handful  of folks who could actually build an 
SMD kit of any size without having to send it back to Elecraft to be built or 
to fix the mess.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342


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I have a decent soldering station, but for SMD beyond a few parts I don't
use a soldering iron. I use an i-Extruder pencil (a stepper-motor powered
syringe dispenser) to apply dots of solder paste to the pads, then tweezers
to pick-and-place the components. If it's a small area, I use my hot air
station to melt the paste and solder the parts. If it's a larger board, I
use a microcontroller-driven heating plate called a ReflowR to precisely
ramp up the heat, melt the paste, and cool it off so as to cause the least
thermal shock to the board or the components.


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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Grant Youngman]

There probably aren’t more than a handful  of folks who could actually build an 
SMD kit of any size without having to send it back to Elecraft to be built or 
to fix the mess.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Gwen Patton  wrote:
> 
> I have a decent soldering station, but for SMD beyond a few parts I don't
> use a soldering iron. I use an i-Extruder pencil (a stepper-motor powered
> syringe dispenser) to apply dots of solder paste to the pads, then tweezers
> to pick-and-place the components. If it's a small area, I use my hot air
> station to melt the paste and solder the parts. If it's a larger board, I
> use a microcontroller-driven heating plate called a ReflowR to precisely
> ramp up the heat, melt the paste, and cool it off so as to cause the least
> thermal shock to the board or the components.
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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Gwen Patton]

I have a decent soldering station, but for SMD beyond a few parts I don't
use a soldering iron. I use an i-Extruder pencil (a stepper-motor powered
syringe dispenser) to apply dots of solder paste to the pads, then tweezers
to pick-and-place the components. If it's a small area, I use my hot air
station to melt the paste and solder the parts. If it's a larger board, I
use a microcontroller-driven heating plate called a ReflowR to precisely
ramp up the heat, melt the paste, and cool it off so as to cause the least
thermal shock to the board or the components.

I'm not nearly as good at the latter as I am with simple thru-hole
components, or a few larger SMD components. 0603 and above, I do by hand if
there's just a few. Most people suggest a "tack one end then get the other"
approach, and while it works, I don't find it as efficient as I'd like. So
I use the same i-Extruder to apply dots of Amtech "tacky flux". I place the
components on the pads, held down by the tacky flux, then tack-solder one
end, then the other. If it needs it, I go back and flow enough solder to
make a good fillet, but frequently the tack makes a decent fillet with that
good flux. That's how I built a Zachtek WSPR beacon a few weeks back. It
had four low-pass filter stages, each with several surface mount
components. It was few enough that I didn't think it warranted the reflow
plate, though I did use the hot air pencil to clean up the fillets I did
with my soldering iron. Came out looking really good, and working well.

73,
Gwen, NG3P

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:33 PM rich hurd WC3T  wrote:

> Dead bug construction ROCKS.
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:02 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:
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> > I miss the good ol' days, e.g. high school, when my quick 'n' dirty
> > transceiver projects were built by twisting component leads together. No
> > PCB, no chassis, nothing but raw parts. Hook up a 9 V battery and a
> > shamelessly untuned wire antenna. Work DX. Repeat.
> >
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> >
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> > > On Jun 6, 2019, at 10:50 AM, James Doty  wrote:
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> > > SMD soldering is actually pretty easy.  It does take a good quality
> > > soldering station to do it though.
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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

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Dead bug construction ROCKS.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:02 PM Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> I miss the good ol' days, e.g. high school, when my quick 'n' dirty
> transceiver projects were built by twisting component leads together. No
> PCB, no chassis, nothing but raw parts. Hook up a 9 V battery and a
> shamelessly untuned wire antenna. Work DX. Repeat.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
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> > On Jun 6, 2019, at 10:50 AM, James Doty  wrote:
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> > SMD soldering is actually pretty easy.  It does take a good quality
> > soldering station to do it though.
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> > Yes, I need magnification when soldering surface mount components. :)
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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[EricJ]

Yes, pretty easy, but not true that it takes any special or expensive 
soldering station to do quality SMD work.


In the winter months I do a lot of SMD work. I don't have a quality 
soldering station at all. I use solder paste from a small syringe, cheap 
tweezers, a $2 coffee cup warmer (WalMart), a small $25 heat gun used by 
scrapbook crafters (Michael's), and a regular desk magnifier lamp. For a 
few parts, I use tweezers and my regular Hakko soldering iron with a 
pencil point. Here's a video of the technique I've been using for nearly 
10 years of the 62 years I've been a ham.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0OKuxPiGKs

If the link doesn't appear, google SMT Soldering Movie on youtube.

A K1-level SMD kit would be no problem for anyone capable of attacking a 
thru-hole K1 or K2, but Wayne clearly addressed that possibility, and 
rightly so. The K1 may be dead, but not soon forgotten.


Eric KE6US

K1 s/n 1976

K2 s/n 567


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SMD soldering is actually pretty easy.  It does take a good quality
soldering station to do it though.

Yes, I need magnification when soldering surface mount components. :)

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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

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I miss the good ol' days, e.g. high school, when my quick 'n' dirty transceiver 
projects were built by twisting component leads together. No PCB, no chassis, 
nothing but raw parts. Hook up a 9 V battery and a shamelessly untuned wire 
antenna. Work DX. Repeat.

Wayne
N6KR


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> SMD soldering is actually pretty easy.  It does take a good quality
> soldering station to do it though.
> 
> Yes, I need magnification when soldering surface mount components. :)
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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Chris]

I agree.  SMD soldering is actually much faster than through holes because
you don't have to trim leads.  It is just a matter of getting used to small
parts.  Magnifying glasses will definitely be necessary for most of us.
Reviving K1 with SMD parts will make a very trail-friendly radio.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 1:53 PM James Doty  wrote:

> SMD soldering is actually pretty easy.  It does take a good quality
> soldering station to do it though.
>
> Yes, I need magnification when soldering surface mount components. :)
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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Fred Jensen]

Not for me!  The soldering station is a WMD in my hands at this age.

73,
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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Wayne Burdick]

Correct on both counts. 

Trust me, as the designer of both the K1 and KX1 I have a soft spot for them 
and would love to bring them back. But several of the critical parts became 
impossible to source, and a substantial redesign would be required to work 
around them.

The good news: the KX2 is s much more radio, in a smaller package. We had 
to go through the K1 and KX1 to get to the KX2, and we're not looking back :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 6, 2019, at 10:49 AM, rich hurd WC3T  wrote:
> 
> I thought the retirement of the K1 was due to parts being rendered as
> unobtanium, which would more or less demand a redesign; would it not?
> 
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 1:28 PM Dan Baker  wrote:
> 
>> With the K1 talk I would like to propose, a thousand of us give a 50%
>> deposit on a new run. I’m not asking for a redesign, just one with updated
>> parts so they can resume manufacturing. I don’t see a need for the KX1, we
>> have a KX2.
>> A K1 would provide us with a through hole kit. I would not have to invest
>> the time or expense in building a K2. I could leave it stashed in my
>> pickup. It’s a fun little radio.
>> 
>> 73, Dan KM6CQ
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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[James Doty]

SMD soldering is actually pretty easy.  It does take a good quality
soldering station to do it though.

Yes, I need magnification when soldering surface mount components. :)

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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[rich hurd WC3T]

I thought the retirement of the K1 was due to parts being rendered as
unobtanium, which would more or less demand a redesign; would it not?

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 1:28 PM Dan Baker  wrote:

> With the K1 talk I would like to propose, a thousand of us give a 50%
> deposit on a new run. I’m not asking for a redesign, just one with updated
> parts so they can resume manufacturing. I don’t see a need for the KX1, we
> have a KX2.
> A K1 would provide us with a through hole kit. I would not have to invest
> the time or expense in building a K2. I could leave it stashed in my
> pickup. It’s a fun little radio.
>
> 73, Dan KM6CQ
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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

Maybe it's just me, but seems the issue is the end of through-hole 
components?


In other words, it might be possible to revive the K1, but it'd be all 
surface mount.


73 -- Lynn

On 6/6/2019 10:28 AM, Dan Baker wrote:

A K1 would provide us with a through hole kit.

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Re: [Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Randall Wood]

That would be so great! I’m in! Only 998 to go.

Randy KE8JWB 

> On Jun 6, 2019, at 1:28 PM, Dan Baker  wrote:
> 
> With the K1 talk I would like to propose, a thousand of us give a 50%
> deposit on a new run. I’m not asking for a redesign, just one with updated
> parts so they can resume manufacturing. I don’t see a need for the KX1, we
> have a KX2.
> A K1 would provide us with a through hole kit. I would not have to invest
> the time or expense in building a K2. I could leave it stashed in my
> pickup. It’s a fun little radio.
> 
> 73, Dan KM6CQ
> -- 
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[Elecraft] New K1 Kit

[Dan Baker]

With the K1 talk I would like to propose, a thousand of us give a 50%
deposit on a new run. I’m not asking for a redesign, just one with updated
parts so they can resume manufacturing. I don’t see a need for the KX1, we
have a KX2.
A K1 would provide us with a through hole kit. I would not have to invest
the time or expense in building a K2. I could leave it stashed in my
pickup. It’s a fun little radio.

73, Dan KM6CQ
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