[Elecraft] Old drives, old formats. Re: Pretty-printed manuals...

2011-08-21 Thread Kevin Rock
I have boxes of those 5 1/4 diskettes plus a few 8 inchers.  Everything I  
wrote in the '70s and most of what I wrote in the '80s is now unavailable  
to me.  Just the musty printouts give me a trail of provenance.  Some of  
the algorithms I created back then would still be of value but I cannot  
get to them.  An acoustic analysis program I wrote to simulate the noise  
pollution around a surface phosphate mine would be nice to have.  It was  
fun to write within the confines we had then but the transition to C and  
Pascal made life much simpler.  Variables with actual descriptive names  
were a boon to getting the work done faster and the debugging went more  
quickly in the new modular forms.  To this day I am influenced by the  
integer variables in Fortran: i, j, k.  Forth forced me to think in  
functional decomposition.  I do not miss the confines of 65 kB but it was  
nice to know the wiring of the entire computer and how each bit of the  
rudimentary OSes of the day fit together.  Getting to the I/O lines was  
much easier then too.  Now to dig out my CP/M box and see if it still  
boots from those 8 inch floppies :)
73,
   Kevin.  KD5ONS


On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:19:26 -0700, Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net wrote:

 Kind of mean-spirited, no?  I have a number of files and documents
 stored on 5 1/4 360 KB floppies [remember those], including my master's
 thesis.  They were put there by me, mainly using an MS-DOS very early
 forerunner to MS Office called Enable running on a 10 MHz ATT desktop
 built by Olivetti, with a green screen.   I don't know where I could
 find a 5 1/4 drive now, I don't know where I can find a copy of that
 version of Enable [it stored stuff in some form of compressed binary
 because 4GB USB sticks hadn't been invented then [OK, USB hadn't been
 invented either] and it had to work within what today we would consider
 laughable storage limits, and I suspect at least some of the diskettes
 are no longer readable.

 Fortunately, I have printed copies of them, especially the thesis I
 worked so hard on, and they are as readable as the day I printed them.
 Does that make me a Luddite?

 73,

 Fred K6DGW
 Auburn CA

 On 8/21/2011 7:42 AM, John Ragle wrote:

 Why is it that a supposedly
 technologically-adept hobby like ham radio contains such a larger than
 average Luddite constituency?
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Re: [Elecraft] Old drives, old formats. Re: Pretty-printed manuals...[Thread Ended]

2011-08-21 Thread Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft
Let's end this thread and its variants.

73,
Eric  WA6HHQ
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On Aug 21, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Kevin Rock kev...@coho.net wrote:

 I have boxes of those 5 1/4 diskettes plus a few 8 inchers.  Everything I  
 wrote in the '70s and most of what I wrote in the '80s is now unavailable  
 to me.  Just the musty printouts give me a trail of provenance.  Some of  
 the algorithms I created back then would still be of value but I cannot  
 get to them.  An acoustic analysis program I wrote to simulate the noise  
 pollution around a surface phosphate mine would be nice to have.  It was  
 fun to write within the confines we had then but the transition to C and  
 Pascal made life much simpler.  Variables with actual descriptive names  
 were a boon to getting the work done faster and the debugging went more  
 quickly in the new modular forms.  To this day I am influenced by the  
 integer variables in Fortran: i, j, k.  Forth forced me to think in  
 functional decomposition.  I do not miss the confines of 65 kB but it was  
 nice to know the wiring of the entire computer and how each bit of the  
 rudimentary OSes of the day fit together.  Getting to the I/O lines was  
 much easier then too.  Now to dig out my CP/M box and see if it still  
 boots from those 8 inch floppies :)
73,
   Kevin.  KD5ONS
 
 
 On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:19:26 -0700, Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net wrote:
 
 Kind of mean-spirited, no?  I have a number of files and documents
 stored on 5 1/4 360 KB floppies [remember those], including my master's
 thesis.  They were put there by me, mainly using an MS-DOS very early
 forerunner to MS Office called Enable running on a 10 MHz ATT desktop
 built by Olivetti, with a green screen.   I don't know where I could
 find a 5 1/4 drive now, I don't know where I can find a copy of that
 version of Enable [it stored stuff in some form of compressed binary
 because 4GB USB sticks hadn't been invented then [OK, USB hadn't been
 invented either] and it had to work within what today we would consider
 laughable storage limits, and I suspect at least some of the diskettes
 are no longer readable.
 
 Fortunately, I have printed copies of them, especially the thesis I
 worked so hard on, and they are as readable as the day I printed them.
 Does that make me a Luddite?
 
 73,
 
 Fred K6DGW
 Auburn CA
 
 On 8/21/2011 7:42 AM, John Ragle wrote:
 
 Why is it that a supposedly
 technologically-adept hobby like ham radio contains such a larger than
 average Luddite constituency?
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