Re: [Orgmode] Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode
Uwe Jochum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Message from Nov 06 2007 (10:43): But I cannot figure out how to set an alarm bell in Emacs for scheduled stuff in orgmode. Did you try `org-agenda-to-appt'? Bastien, thanks! I hadn't seen that in the manual... One way to find information when browsing the manual in Info-mode is to press `i' (M-x Info-index) and enter the index key to look for. Here you can look for appointment reminders or appt.el and it will open this page: (info (org)Weekly/Daily agenda) If you think this information should appear somewhere else, please suggestion other location(s). It works, but I have to do it manually evry time I start orgmode or every time I set a new appointment. Wouldn't it be good to make this more automatic, i.e. somehow configurable by the user, for instance like so: make it an option, so I can activate it globally in the org-agenda options menu, in such a way that new appointments are detected automatically and the bell rings without doing org-agenda-to-appt by hand? Better let the user decide by himself when he wants `org-agenda-to-appt' to be called. Two (non-exclusive) methods: 1. Add a hook to `before-save-hook' locally in `org-mode-hook' so that saving an Org buffer will check for new appointments and add them to the list of appointments: (add-hook 'org-mode-hook (lambda() (add-hook 'before-save-hook 'org-agenda-to-appt t t))) Note that pressing `s' in agenda buffers will save all agenda files and run `org-agenda-to-appt' for each of them. 2. Add a custom key to call 'org-agenda-to-appt from an agenda buffer. (org-defkey org-agenda-mode-map \C-cA 'org-agenda-to-appt) If you use one of these two methods, maybe it's better to silent `org-agenda-to-appt' since the repeated messages can be annoying. I'll provide a way to do this. -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode
Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Uwe Jochum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Message from Nov 06 2007 (10:43): But I cannot figure out how to set an alarm bell in Emacs for scheduled stuff in orgmode. Did you try `org-agenda-to-appt'? Bastien, thanks! I hadn't seen that in the manual... One way to find information when browsing the manual in Info-mode is to press `i' (M-x Info-index) and enter the index key to look for. Is it just me or are emacs info pages really a bit of a dog to search through? Here you can look for appointment reminders or appt.el and it will open this page: (info (org)Weekly/Daily agenda) If you think this information should appear somewhere else, please suggestion other location(s). It works, but I have to do it manually evry time I start orgmode or every time I set a new appointment. Wouldn't it be good to make this more automatic, i.e. somehow configurable by the user, for instance like so: make it an option, so I can activate it globally in the org-agenda options menu, in such a way that new appointments are detected automatically and the bell rings without doing org-agenda-to-appt by hand? Better let the user decide by himself when he wants `org-agenda-to-appt' to be called. Two (non-exclusive) methods: 1. Add a hook to `before-save-hook' locally in `org-mode-hook' so that saving an Org buffer will check for new appointments and add them to the list of appointments: (add-hook 'org-mode-hook (lambda() (add-hook 'before-save-hook 'org-agenda-to-appt t t))) Note that pressing `s' in agenda buffers will save all agenda files and run `org-agenda-to-appt' for each of them. 2. Add a custom key to call 'org-agenda-to-appt from an agenda buffer. (org-defkey org-agenda-mode-map \C-cA 'org-agenda-to-appt) If you use one of these two methods, maybe it's better to silent `org-agenda-to-appt' since the repeated messages can be annoying. I'll provide a way to do this. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode
Uwe Jochum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the problem of finding the appropriate information is principally not a question of the right place for the right bit of information but a question of semantics. An index is the right place to handle people's semantic :) I had searched with diary integration orgmode, even in Google. The thing is that `org-agenda-to-appt' is at the bottom of the page about Diary/Calendar integration. So when looking for these keywords (either from the Info interface or from Google) you should have landed not that far... I'll better try to make my brainware more flexible. Remember the motto: « if something works, don't repair it ». This qualifies for brains as well! (And shouldn't your solution not be documented, perhaps in the FAQ?) Yes why not. -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode
Richard G Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One way to find information when browsing the manual in Info-mode is to press `i' (M-x Info-index) and enter the index key to look for. Is it just me or are emacs info pages really a bit of a dog to search through? It's not just you. Many people don't like to search through the Info pages and whether this interface is the best one for Emacs documentation is always a hot topic on the emacs-devel mailing list. But `i' (M-x Info-index) will really make your life easier. Personnally I do like Info pages and Info-mode very much. In addition to Info-index, I'm mostly using these: `l' Info-history-back `L' Info-history `]' Info-forward-node Once you get used to these few commands, it's really quick to find and fetch relevant information. HTH, -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode
On 11/6/07, Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard G Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it just me or are emacs info pages really a bit of a dog to search through? It's not just you. Many people don't like to search through the Info pages and whether this interface is the best one for Emacs documentation is always a hot topic on the emacs-devel mailing list. But `i' (M-x Info-index) will really make your life easier. Personnally I do like Info pages and Info-mode very much. In addition to Info-index, I'm mostly using these: `l' Info-history-back `L' Info-history `]' Info-forward-node Once you get used to these few commands, it's really quick to find and fetch info relevant information. I use l a lot, but I didn't know about L - thanks! The commands I use most are spacebar, which just chugs through an entire manual, and s, which does a regexp search. I do like info pages when I can actually get the right ones to load. The big problem I have with info is in setting it up so that it finds the right files. For instance, I have totally failed to work out how I can tell it where my org info files are, with the result that it always shows me the old version that comes with my emacs (currently 4.67). I have tried setting Info-default-directory-list and Info-directory-list, but all to no avail. Has anyone else had this problem? Cheers Will HTH, -- Dr William Henney, Centro de Radioastronomía y Astrofísica, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Campus Morelia ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode
On 11/6/07, William Henney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The big problem I have with info is in setting it up so that it finds
the right files. For instance, I have totally failed to work out how I
can tell it where my org info files are, with the result that it
always shows me the old version that comes with my emacs (currently
4.67). I have tried setting Info-default-directory-list and
Info-directory-list, but all to no avail. Has anyone else had this
problem?
Cheers
Will
I too have experienced frustration attempting to use the
Info-*-directory-list variables. However, I can live without this
particular feature, so I haven't spent much time trying to make it
work.
But I can tell you how to go to a specific info file which corresponds
to your new Org version: from any info page, press the `g' key. When
it prompts Go to node:, enter an opening parenthesis `(', then a
path to your desired info filename. (Filename completion via the Tab
key works here which is very helpful.) When you reach your filename,
close with a final `)' character, although Tab will insert this for
you too. Press Enter, and your desired Info file should open.
Chris
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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode
William Henney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For instance, I have totally failed to work out how I can tell it where my org info files are, with the result that it always shows me the old version that comes with my emacs (currently 4.67). I have tried setting Info-default-directory-list and Info-directory-list, but all to no avail. Has anyone else had this problem? I use the script Pete sent a while a go update org-mode automatically. It fetches uncompress and untar the tarball archive. It copies the org info file (which name is really org) to the local ~/info/ directory where I keep latest version of Info files. Then I have this is my .emacs.el: (add-to-list 'Info-default-directory-list ~/info/) And the info page is correct. Does that help? -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode
William Henney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 11/6/07, Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard G Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it just me or are emacs info pages really a bit of a dog to search through? It's not just you. Many people don't like to search through the Info pages and whether this interface is the best one for Emacs documentation is always a hot topic on the emacs-devel mailing list. But `i' (M-x Info-index) will really make your life easier. Personnally I do like Info pages and Info-mode very much. In addition to Info-index, I'm mostly using these: `l' Info-history-back `L' Info-history `]' Info-forward-node Once you get used to these few commands, it's really quick to find and fetch info relevant information. I use l a lot, but I didn't know about L - thanks! The commands I use most are spacebar, which just chugs through an entire manual, and s, which does a regexp search. I do like info pages when I can actually get the right ones to load. The big problem I have with info is in setting it up so that it finds the right files. For instance, I have totally failed to work out how I can tell it where my org info files are, with the result that it always shows me the old version that comes with my emacs (currently 4.67). I have tried setting Info-default-directory-list and Info-directory-list, but all to no avail. Has anyone else had this problem? Yes. On linux i ran (sudo) make install-info and then insured /usr/local/info was on my info-directory-list I also deleted any old org files lying around. I dont know, info files and their set up is just damn confusing IMO, especially with plenty of makefiles updating the wrong dir file. - its always worth checking which define they use for their destination infopath. Cheers Will HTH, ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Ringing the alarm bell in orgmode
Thanks for your help, Chris, Richard, and Bastien. Chris's method of loading the file explicitly will be useful until I get the path sorted properly. On 11/6/07, Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William Henney [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I use the script Pete sent a while a go update org-mode automatically. It fetches uncompress and untar the tarball archive. It copies the org info file (which name is really org) to the local ~/info/ directory where I keep latest version of Info files. Then I have this is my .emacs.el: (add-to-list 'Info-default-directory-list ~/info/) And the info page is correct. Does that help? I don't use Pete's script, but I do essentially the same thing and it doesn't work BUT, I think I have now found the culprit... It is all the fault of fink (for the non Mac users, fink is a package manager and repo for OS X, a bit like yum or apt, except a lot less useful) At some point I had added the following line to my ~/.profile test -r /sw/bin/init.sh . /sw/bin/init.sh and that file, unbeknownst to me had been setting the INFOPATH environment variable. This means that Info-directory-list gets initialised from INFOPATH and that Info-default-directory-list is completely ignored :( So, the answer seems to be to unset INFOPATH in the shell and to merge the fink info directories into my Info-default-directory-list At least, I assume this will work. I don't want to restart my emacs at the moment since I would lose too much context, but I will test it out when I next have a quiet time. Cheers Will -- Dr William Henney, Centro de Radioastronomía y Astrofísica, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Campus Morelia ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
