Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
On 2/17/2015 5:36 PM, Andreas Pettersson wrote: So atm i will stand by my comments, that Tormach is taking more than they are giving. (and are a bit of asshats for doing so). http://xkcd.com/386/ The Tormach folks have been very supportive to the open-source community, and the changes they sponsored to create their new controller have been pushed upstream and are available for community use. That they haven't tried to tightly couple their company name with the updates they sponsored doesn't make them asshats. -- Charles Steinkuehler char...@steinkuehler.net signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
On 18 February 2015 at 01:34, Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps I just don't understand but I thought that was the meaning of open source No, Open Source only means what it says. You have access to the code and can change it if you want. There is no requirement that it be written for free. In fact there are many people paid well to write open-source code. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PRU programming on the Beagle Bone Black.
On 02/17/2015 01:34 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2015-02-17 20:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com: If you want to experiment with it, I could probably let you have a copy. (I might need a non-disclosure agreement, though.) Thanks for the offer, it seems way too complicated for my skills... Well, the program compiles easily on Linux, or I could just give you an executable. But, if you don't have a photoplotter to run it on, the program is pretty useless. This is a 1000 x 1000 DPI raster photoplotter, and it is great for making circuit board artwork and solder paste stencils. I also use it for making the master artwork for front panel label material that is exposed with UV light. Jon -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
That is obviously the Gremlin backplot. I thought the GPL was pretty clear about linking to GPL'd libraries and software that could not stand on its own without the underlying GPL'd software. What am I missing? Len I guess we will have to agree to disagree... I feel like MANY MANY people have given freely of their time to make linuxCNC into what it is today INCLUDING things like User interfaces and many many other add ons that make the program so enjoyable and stable to use. They gave of it freely and willingly and I thank ALL of them for their efforts. If you ask me ANYONE who takes that work and changes it and makes it better for whatever reason owes it to all of those who came before to give of it freely. ESPECIALLY if you intend to put your name on it and profit from it! I really do not understand the lack of interest in pursuing this here. I appreciate that they paid for the work on the TP but again that is something added to the collective work that MANY MANY others have done. I think the least they could do is to make it available to the community as a whole in some shape or form. I am sorry but I have to disagree with you here.. Peace Pete On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:39 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 February 2015 at 01:34, Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com wrote: Perh -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 07:11:00 PM Charles Steinkuehler wrote: On 2/17/2015 5:36 PM, Andreas Pettersson wrote: So atm i will stand by my comments, that Tormach is taking more than they are giving. (and are a bit of asshats for doing so). http://xkcd.com/386/ The Tormach folks have been very supportive to the open-source community, and the changes they sponsored to create their new controller have been pushed upstream and are available for community use. That they haven't tried to tightly couple their company name with the updates they sponsored doesn't make them asshats. +100 Charles. In fact it seems to me they went out of their way to stay fairly low profile about it. I think we owe them a tip of the hat and copius thanks, not a bunch of vitreolic name calling that is equivalent to biting the hand that feeds us. Thats entirely out of line, and will serve to make sure they never deal with us again. Hopefully they understand it is just one individual, one that I do not recall in roughly a decade of being subbed to this list. Or my memory has totally gone to the dogs, a possibility at my age. In any event, an apology from Andreas would not be out of line. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
Charles, Where did you get this information and what exactly are they pushing upstream? Thanks for the information.. Pete On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Charles Steinkuehler char...@steinkuehler.net wrote: On 2/17/2015 5:36 PM, Andreas Pettersson wrote: So atm i will stand by my comments, that Tormach is taking more than they are giving. (and are a bit of asshats for doing so). http://xkcd.com/386/ The Tormach folks have been very supportive to the open-source community, and the changes they sponsored to create their new controller have been pushed upstream and are available for community use. That they haven't tried to tightly couple their company name with the updates they sponsored doesn't make them asshats. -- Charles Steinkuehler char...@steinkuehler.net -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Pete Matos A and N Precision and Fabrication Maryville, Tennessee 865-236-8996 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
I'll say it. Thank you Tormach !!! I really appreciate it! :-) Dave On 2/17/2015 7:38 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 18 February 2015 at 00:28, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: In any event, an apology from Andreas would not be out of line. Well, as YouTube comments go it was unusually complimentary :-) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
On 2/17/15 6:52 PM, Pete Matos wrote: I guess we will have to agree to disagree... I feel like MANY MANY people have given freely of their time to make linuxCNC into what it is today INCLUDING things like User interfaces and many many other add ons that make the program so enjoyable and stable to use. They gave of it freely and willingly and I thank ALL of them for their efforts. If you ask me ANYONE who takes that work and changes it and makes it better for whatever reason owes it to all of those who came before to give of it freely. ESPECIALLY if you intend to put your name on it and profit from it! I really do not understand the lack of interest in pursuing this here. I appreciate that they paid for the work on the TP but again that is something added to the collective work that MANY MANY others have done. I think the least they could do is to make it available to the community as a whole in some shape or form. I am sorry but I have to disagree with you here.. Peace I am no lawyer, but i believe Tormach has created a derivative work[0] from LinuxCNC. According to the GNU General Public License[1] under which LinuxCNC is published, Tormach is now legally required to provide the source code of their derivative work. The normal way to do this would be to publish a link to a git repo. 0: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6366 1: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html Tormach has displayed good will towards individual members of our community, and towards the community as a whole, and i hope and believe they will continue to do so by following the spirit of the community as well as the letter of the law. -- Sebastian Kuzminsky -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
Well so far it seems that the giving back part is what Andy found out and posted on the NYCCNC youtube comments as well. Digging through the source code on git I really don't see any other major contribution other than the tool path rewrite. And would gladly want to see a list of them contributions in its full. I've been an open source developer for over 15 years and see this kind of behaviour all to often. So atm i will stand by my comments, that Tormach is taking more than they are giving. (and are a bit of asshats for doing so). For one, that UI would have needed some major rewrite, and is most likely not based upon Axis - its probably a toolbox that allows for dynamic skinning and remapping of buttons and most likely easy modules for adding functionality, like tool changers. And would be a neat part to be given back to the community to tinker with. Maybe not with its graphics intact but at least with button representations. and some documentation. Following the GPL outline and so forth regarding releasing source code and documentation back to where they got it. Oh well enough gasoline on that fire. // Andreas ak.a Moronicsmurf / NeoTech andy pugh skrev den 2015-02-17 23:15: On 17 February 2015 at 21:20, Len Shelton l...@probotix.com wrote: I'm excited to see that Tormach is giving back to open source! I am not sure that they are. I don't see any suggestion that the source if PathPilot will be released. -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
On 18 February 2015 at 00:11, Charles Steinkuehler char...@steinkuehler.net wrote: That they haven't tried to tightly couple their company name with the updates they sponsored doesn't make them asshats. There are worse things to be: http://www.happa.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/138-donkey-hat-806x1024.jpg -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
Well it is nice that they paid for the work to be done. I do not know why the UI maybe in its basic format would not be made available. I know a LOT of folks have put in many many countless hours to build the basic linuxCNC into what it is now and were not paid a dime for it. Perhaps I just don't understand but I thought that was the meaning of open source... Peace Pete On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Sebastian Kuzminsky s...@highlab.com wrote: On 02/17/2015 06:17 PM, Pete Matos wrote: I thought someone here built the trajectory planner? Are you saying that Tormach built it themselves? I am curious about the UI and honestly even a dumbed down version given back to the community would be a step in the right direction here. Rob Ellenberg wrote the new trajectory planner, and has been diligently fixing bugs as they crop up. I learned today that he's funded by Tormach to do this work. People interested in new UIs should look at gscreen and gmoccapy, which both make it easy to add new screens. -- Sebastian Kuzminsky -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Pete Matos A and N Precision and Fabrication Maryville, Tennessee 865-236-8996 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
I guess we will have to agree to disagree... I feel like MANY MANY people have given freely of their time to make linuxCNC into what it is today INCLUDING things like User interfaces and many many other add ons that make the program so enjoyable and stable to use. They gave of it freely and willingly and I thank ALL of them for their efforts. If you ask me ANYONE who takes that work and changes it and makes it better for whatever reason owes it to all of those who came before to give of it freely. ESPECIALLY if you intend to put your name on it and profit from it! I really do not understand the lack of interest in pursuing this here. I appreciate that they paid for the work on the TP but again that is something added to the collective work that MANY MANY others have done. I think the least they could do is to make it available to the community as a whole in some shape or form. I am sorry but I have to disagree with you here.. Peace Pete On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:39 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 February 2015 at 01:34, Pete Matos petefro...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps I just don't understand but I thought that was the meaning of open source No, Open Source only means what it says. You have access to the code and can change it if you want. There is no requirement that it be written for free. In fact there are many people paid well to write open-source code. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Pete Matos A and N Precision and Fabrication Maryville, Tennessee 865-236-8996 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
On 02/17/2015 04:36 PM, Andreas Pettersson wrote: Well so far it seems that the giving back part is what Andy found out and posted on the NYCCNC youtube comments as well. Digging through the source code on git I really don't see any other major contribution other than the tool path rewrite. Well, the new trajectory planner is huge. And it was done quietly, without Tormach publicly taking credit for it, which has left people not realizing the contribution Tormach has made. For one, that UI would have needed some major rewrite, and is most likely not based upon Axis - its probably a toolbox that allows for dynamic skinning and remapping of buttons and most likely easy modules for adding functionality, like tool changers. And would be a neat part to be given back to the community to tinker with. Maybe not with its graphics intact but at least with button representations. and some documentation. Following the GPL outline and so forth regarding releasing source code and documentation back to where they got it. We have gscreen and gmoccapy that do that. They were developed by Chris Morley and Norbert Schechner. -- Sebastian Kuzminsky -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
On 18 February 2015 at 00:28, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: In any event, an apology from Andreas would not be out of line. Well, as YouTube comments go it was unusually complimentary :-) -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
On 02/17/2015 06:17 PM, Pete Matos wrote: I thought someone here built the trajectory planner? Are you saying that Tormach built it themselves? I am curious about the UI and honestly even a dumbed down version given back to the community would be a step in the right direction here. Rob Ellenberg wrote the new trajectory planner, and has been diligently fixing bugs as they crop up. I learned today that he's funded by Tormach to do this work. People interested in new UIs should look at gscreen and gmoccapy, which both make it easy to add new screens. -- Sebastian Kuzminsky -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
I thought someone here built the trajectory planner? Are you saying that Tormach built it themselves? I am curious about the UI and honestly even a dumbed down version given back to the community would be a step in the right direction here. Pete On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Sebastian Kuzminsky s...@highlab.com wrote: On 02/17/2015 04:36 PM, Andreas Pettersson wrote: Well so far it seems that the giving back part is what Andy found out and posted on the NYCCNC youtube comments as well. Digging through the source code on git I really don't see any other major contribution other than the tool path rewrite. Well, the new trajectory planner is huge. And it was done quietly, without Tormach publicly taking credit for it, which has left people not realizing the contribution Tormach has made. For one, that UI would have needed some major rewrite, and is most likely not based upon Axis - its probably a toolbox that allows for dynamic skinning and remapping of buttons and most likely easy modules for adding functionality, like tool changers. And would be a neat part to be given back to the community to tinker with. Maybe not with its graphics intact but at least with button representations. and some documentation. Following the GPL outline and so forth regarding releasing source code and documentation back to where they got it. We have gscreen and gmoccapy that do that. They were developed by Chris Morley and Norbert Schechner. -- Sebastian Kuzminsky -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Pete Matos A and N Precision and Fabrication Maryville, Tennessee 865-236-8996 -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
I am sure that they will release the controller code at some time. There is no real money to be made from the controller. It just means that they sell their machines easier. I convert machines and build new machines and I do not charge for the software. I do charge for my time to set it up. The profit comes from the machine. I am sure that Tormach has the same situation. I just dont sell enough machines :( One has to realize that as with all things, if someone does not make money somewhere down the line, the interest will dwindle soon. -- Original Message -- From: Sebastian Kuzminsky s...@highlab.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: 2015-02-18 05:07:39 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot On 2/17/15 6:52 PM, Pete Matos wrote: I guess we will have to agree to disagree... I feel like MANY MANY people have given freely of their time to make linuxCNC into what it is today INCLUDING things like User interfaces and many many other add ons that make the program so enjoyable and stable to use. They gave of it freely and willingly and I thank ALL of them for their efforts. If you ask me ANYONE who takes that work and changes it and makes it better for whatever reason owes it to all of those who came before to give of it freely. ESPECIALLY if you intend to put your name on it and profit from it! I really do not understand the lack of interest in pursuing this here. I appreciate that they paid for the work on the TP but again that is something added to the collective work that MANY MANY others have done. I think the least they could do is to make it available to the community as a whole in some shape or form. I am sorry but I have to disagree with you here.. Peace I am no lawyer, but i believe Tormach has created a derivative work[0] from LinuxCNC. According to the GNU General Public License[1] under which LinuxCNC is published, Tormach is now legally required to provide the source code of their derivative work. The normal way to do this would be to publish a link to a git repo. 0: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6366 1: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html Tormach has displayed good will towards individual members of our community, and towards the community as a whole, and i hope and believe they will continue to do so by following the spirit of the community as well as the letter of the law. -- Sebastian Kuzminsky -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
When you do derivative work in accordance to GPL you are supposed to publish your alterations with the source code in its full for other to do derivative work off of that. (In Accordance with the GPL licensing form, even the LGPL has this clause and is clearly stated.) You are allowed to make money off of GPL licensed software in the form of service and support costs - for like setting it up, making stuff work and so on. The absolute best example of this is Redhat Enterprise products - they are great at licensing their support and service on top of GPL software they have programmed and released back to the eco system in form of source and documentation. They don't support or service what they make in-house and release back - unless you pay for it, and that is Ok - and remember, they develop ALOT of code for Linux based systems. If they started to withold parts of that work and apply a cost to it - well lets say Linux would not have been as widespread as it is today. And i dont think the interest for LinuxCNC would dwindle soon, it has been around for a long time, and you have forks like machinekit that will make the work go forward. Its like saying Debian would go away if Ubuntu havent existed.. (an example of derivative work) // Andreas Marius Liebenberg skrev den 2015-02-18 06:44: I am sure that they will release the controller code at some time. There is no real money to be made from the controller. It just means that they sell their machines easier. I convert machines and build new machines and I do not charge for the software. I do charge for my time to set it up. The profit comes from the machine. I am sure that Tormach has the same situation. I just dont sell enough machines :( One has to realize that as with all things, if someone does not make money somewhere down the line, the interest will dwindle soon. -- Original Message -- From: Sebastian Kuzminsky s...@highlab.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: 2015-02-18 05:07:39 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot On 2/17/15 6:52 PM, Pete Matos wrote: I guess we will have to agree to disagree... I feel like MANY MANY people have given freely of their time to make linuxCNC into what it is today INCLUDING things like User interfaces and many many other add ons that make the program so enjoyable and stable to use. They gave of it freely and willingly and I thank ALL of them for their efforts. If you ask me ANYONE who takes that work and changes it and makes it better for whatever reason owes it to all of those who came before to give of it freely. ESPECIALLY if you intend to put your name on it and profit from it! I really do not understand the lack of interest in pursuing this here. I appreciate that they paid for the work on the TP but again that is something added to the collective work that MANY MANY others have done. I think the least they could do is to make it available to the community as a whole in some shape or form. I am sorry but I have to disagree with you here.. Peace I am no lawyer, but i believe Tormach has created a derivative work[0] from LinuxCNC. According to the GNU General Public License[1] under which LinuxCNC is published, Tormach is now legally required to provide the source code of their derivative work. The normal way to do this would be to publish a link to a git repo. 0: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6366 1: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html Tormach has displayed good will towards individual members of our community, and towards the community as a whole, and i hope and believe they will continue to do so by following the spirit of the community as well as the letter of the law. -- Sebastian Kuzminsky -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [Emc-users] PRU programming on the Beagle Bone Black.
On 02/17/2015 02:04 AM, Gregg Eshelman wrote: Thomas Freiherr is working on the libpruio project to allow PRU support on the BBB. It is “designed for easy configuration and data handling at high speed. libpruio software runs on the host (ARM) and in parallel on a Programmable Realtime Unit SubSystem (= PRUSS or just PRU) and controls the subsystems”. http://hackaday.com/2015/02/16/library-upgrade-to-pru-gives-fast-io-on-beaglebone/ The PRU is pretty well supported by the Machinekit distro on the BBB. It is used for fast step pulse generation (developed by Charles Steinkuehler). I use it here also to run a laser photoplotter, it unpacks run-length encoded raster files in real time between clocking out the pixels. Jon -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PRU programming on the Beagle Bone Black.
2015-02-17 18:59 GMT+02:00 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com: I use it here also to run a laser photoplotter, it unpacks run-length encoded raster files in real time between clocking out the pixels. Could you, please, share more details about the software that controls that machine? Viesturs -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PRU programming on the Beagle Bone Black.
2015-02-17 20:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com: If you want to experiment with it, I could probably let you have a copy. (I might need a non-disclosure agreement, though.) Thanks for the offer, it seems way too complicated for my skills... Viesturs -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PRU programming on the Beagle Bone Black.
On 02/17/2015 11:16 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2015-02-17 18:59 GMT+02:00 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com: I use it here also to run a laser photoplotter, it unpacks run-length encoded raster files in real time between clocking out the pixels. Could you, please, share more details about the software that controls that machine? A short description is here : http://pico-systems.com/photoplot.html This was originally built using an ISA-slot DMA card in a Windows 95 computer. Win95 didn't allow enough memory for the aperture bitmaps, so I chopped the program in half. The raster generation ran on a Windows NT, and later Win2K system, then I sent the bitmap across the network to the plotter computer. I got all this working in 1996 or so, and left it untouched except when a bug was found in the Gerber to raster program about 2000. I wrote all the software in Borland's Turbo Pascal. Well, I eventually feared the computer would die and leave me with no photoplotter. So, I used the PRU feature of the Beagle Bone Black to emulate the DMA card in the old PC. It needs to prime the pipeline with one write pulse when ready to plot a raster line, and then every 5 us the plotter will send an acknowledge pulse and the PRU needs to send the next raster bit. I used the run length encoding scheme because the PRU's local memories are quite small. I was able to hack up my old Turbo Pascal raster generation program to compile under the Free Pascal Compiler, which was written to handle Borland and DEC extensions to the original Pascal language. Mostly, I just used units. I cut away a bunch of vestiges from the original program which still thought it was controlling the plotter directly. It still creates double buffers, that was too deeply embedded in the program. Then, I can view the bitmap by converting to BMP format, or run it through another converter to turn it into the run length encoded file for the Beagle. This program does not handle RS-274X files, but I generally edit all the apertures anyway when making solder stencils to get the right amount of solder everywhere. It probably wouldn't be too hard to implement the RS-274X apertures, but would be a lot of work to implement all the special features that RS-274X can do with negative and positive flood polygons. If you want to experiment with it, I could probably let you have a copy. (I might need a non-disclosure agreement, though.) Jon -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] PathPilot
I'm excited to see that Tormach is giving back to open source! http://www.tormach.com/pathpilot http://www.tormach.com/blog/pathpilot-beta-testing/ Len -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] PRU programming on the Beagle Bone Black.
Thomas Freiherr is working on the libpruio project to allow PRU support on the BBB. It is “designed for easy configuration and data handling at high speed. libpruio software runs on the host (ARM) and in parallel on a Programmable Realtime Unit SubSystem (= PRUSS or just PRU) and controls the subsystems”. http://hackaday.com/2015/02/16/library-upgrade-to-pru-gives-fast-io-on-beaglebone/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Mesa boards and latency
I have a very similar on my desk. I do not know if latency are good for these or not but it certainly is a very cheap computer. If latency is good enough or not to a large extent depends on which part is the slowest. For a fast tripod with low inertia I would expect it to be slow but for moving large pieces iron with a small motor in a more normal machine it is probably more than enough but I lack experience. Regards Nicklas Karlsson On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 17:55:34 -0800 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: On 02/16/2015 04:26 PM, Jim Connery wrote: Hi, If I use a mesa 7i92 do I still need to wory about latency? Will using the mesa board improve my latency? I am planning on using a ASUS X200MA-RCLT08 that has a Celeron n2830 processor. This also has a touchscreen. These have good latency, http://www.ebay.com/itm/281497643572 and you can keep your laptop free while machining. -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/ -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
On 17 February 2015 at 21:20, Len Shelton l...@probotix.com wrote: I'm excited to see that Tormach is giving back to open source! I am not sure that they are. I don't see any suggestion that the source if PathPilot will be released. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PathPilot
Here's a quick video announcing PathPilot from NYCCNC, an active garage shop machinist with a big YouTube following whose channel is sponsored by Tormach. http://youtu.be/WqJmBEWnvpk Start at 6:25 to get past the enthusiastic preamble if you only want to see the PathPilot user interface. http://youtu.be/WqJmBEWnvpk?t=6m25s Most of the comments underneath the video so far deal with the giving back to the open source community issue. On 02/17/2015 05:15 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 17 February 2015 at 21:20, Len Shelton l...@probotix.com wrote: I'm excited to see that Tormach is giving back to open source! I am not sure that they are. I don't see any suggestion that the source if PathPilot will be released. -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=190641631iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
