The reason Trump is going to win

[John Clark]

*For some strange reason that I don't pretend to understand most people
believe everything Trump says regardless of how batshit crazy it is, now
Trump is claiming Biden is trying to assassinate him, and I'm sure tens of
millions of people will believe him. But lies about the economy, not about
assassinations, are what is going to cause Trump to win the next (and last)
presidential election and become Führer of America for life:*

*A recent Harris poll indicates that the American public is ignorant about
economic reality *

*55% of Americans believe the economy is shrinking, but in reality the
economy is increasing.*





*49% believe unemployment is at a 50-year high, but in reality unemployment
is at a 50 year low. 72% believe inflation is increasing, but in reality,
the rate of inflation has fallen sharply from its post-Covid peak of 9.1%
and it's now about 3.4% .49% believe the S 500 stock market index is down
for the year, but in reality it went up 24% in 2023 and 12% so far this
year, so now it's at an all-time high. *

*Majority of Americans wrongly believe US is in recession – and most blame
Biden*


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Trump just begged me for money

[John Clark]

You may have noticed, from a few subtle hints I may have given off, that I
am not a big fan of Donald Trump, so I was a bit surprised that I got a
letter in the snail mail from him begging me to give him money. It included
an envelope that required no stamp but suggested I put on a stamp anyway so
poor little Donnie Trump wouldn't have to pay for the postage. After some
deep contemplation I decided NOT to give him any money. I did however mail
the envelope and did so without putting a stamp on it. The envelope
contained nothing but a piece of paper about the size of a check that said
the following:

*"Trump is a billionaire and the son of a billionaire, so why does he need
my money? Trump is also a traitor a sex offender and a LOSER !"*

It was a very small gesture but it did make me feel a little better.
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2^82,589,933−1 is a prime number

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* Mathematics: Discovery 2^82,589,933−1 is a Mersenne Prime Number*


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NYTimes.com: As Bird Flu Looms, the Lessons of Past Pandemics Take on New Urgency

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As Bird Flu Looms, the Lessons of Past Pandemics Take on New Urgency

We need to be prepared to fight the next war, not the last one.

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Suffering Abolitionists

[John Clark]

Is suffering an inevitable part of the human condition? Given the rapid
increase in genetic engineering and in AI I believe the answer to this
question is off practical and not just academic interest. That's why I
found an article on Astral Codex Ten to be very interesting, this is a
short quotation from it:

"Neurodiversity advocates  insist no neurotype is better than any other.
This is, as they say, a postmodernist lie. The best neurotype belongs to a
76 year old Scottish woman named Jo Cameron. The most interesting feature
of Cameron’s condition is her total normality. One might worry that a
person who couldn’t suffer would be cold and psychopathic, but in fact
Cameron was a special education teacher known for her kindness and patience
with extremely tough students. One might worry that she might lack the
righteous anger necessary to fuel political engagement, but in fact she has
strong political opinions (she doesn’t like Boris Johnson) and attends
protests. One might worry that she would be unable to relate to regular
humans, but she’s been married twice and has two children, who she’s on
great terms with. One might worry that she would lack the full range of
artistic appreciation, but she reports crying at sad movies just like
everyone else."

*Pain and the Far Out Initiative*


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Google's Project Astra

[John Clark]

*This and yesterday's OpenAI announcements are both starting to look very
much like the movie "She". *


*Project Astra: Our vision for the future of AI assistants
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NYTimes.com: Killing Dogs. Taunting the Homeless. Praising Al Capone. This Is Trump’s Party.

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Killing Dogs. Taunting the Homeless. Praising Al Capone. This Is Trump’s
Party.

Kristi Noem’s memoir is the latest example of MAGA’s vice signaling.

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This AMAZING robot only cost $16,000!

[John Clark]

Unitree's NEW AI AGENT Humanoid ROBOT BEATS Boston DYNAMICS


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What what would the US do if China seizes TSMC's chip fabs plants in Taiwan?

[John Clark]

*"A U.S. security publication claimed that the United States would have to
destroy TSMC fabs if Taiwan is seized by China, as the country cannot allow
the People's Republic to have access to some of the best semiconductor
production capabilities in the world due to national security concerns."*

*China seizing TSMC would be 'devastating' for U.S. economy, Commerce
Secretary says*


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California is considering a bill to regulate AI

[John Clark]

*Personally I think any attempt to regulate or control AI development is
doomed to failure, but like most things I see on Astra Codex Ten they
closely examine all the arguments pro and con about any issue in a rational
unbiased way.*

*California is considering a bill to regulate AI *


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Re: Robert F. Kennedy Jr

[John Clark]

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:46 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

> *The electoral college system is idiotic because it allows losers of the
> popular vote to win the election. *
>

*Yes.*


> *> But it's not the reason for the two party system.  Notice that third
> party candidates are still spoilers in races for governor or senator which
> don't have an electoral college system. *
>

*I know, and third-party candidates can also be the spoiler in presidential
elections. We can thank third party candidate Ralph Nader for giving us
George W. Bush (and the Iraq war) and thank the third and fourth party
candidates of the Green and Libertarian party for giving us Donald Trump
(and the most anti-environmental and anti-libertarian president in American
history).  In the 2016 presidential election the fringe party candidates
got about 5% of the popular vote, but none of them received even one
electoral vote, much less the 270 they would need to become president. *

*> the founding fathers deliberately sought a two party system because they
> saw third parties as giving two much power to minorities.*
>

*The founding fathers wanted no political parties at all, that's why they
are not mentioned anywhere in the Constitution; George Washington warned us
about the dangers of any political party in his farewell address in 1796:*

“Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn
manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.”

*But we failed to heed Washington's wise advice, and that's why today
Republicans think of themselves as a Christian first, a Republican second,
an American third, and a human being a very distant fourth.  *

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On 5/8/2024 5:35 AM, John Clark wrote:
>
> *Because of our idiotic Electoral College system no third-party candidate,
> like vaccine denier Robert F. Kennedy Jr, has a chance of becoming
> president, however he can influence the outcome of the election. The
> conventional wisdom is that Kennedy's candidacy will help Trump but that
> appears not to be true because previously Trump had an ironclad grip on the
> lunatic vote, but now Trump will have to split it with Kennedy. A recent
> poll  indicated if it was just a two-man race 47% of Kennedy supporters
> would vote for Trump and only 29% would vote for Biden. He really is
> splitting the lunatic vote, and Trump seems to have noticed and he doesn't
> like it:*
>
>  Trump rails against RFK Jr., calling him a ‘wasted protest vote’
> <https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/27/trump-rfk-jr-2024-election-00154746>
>
> *There is even more evidence of the good deeds Robert Kennedy Junior may
> accomplish in the November election, not only will he cause the lunatic
> vote to be split between Trump and Kennedy, there's also evidence he could
> be instrumental in kicking Ted Cruz out of the Senate. Kennedy voters would
> prefer Trump over Biden, but a recent poll of Texas independent voters
> indicated they would prefer any Democratic senatorial candidate over Ted
> Cruz, who is on the ballot for reelection in November, by a margin of 50%
> to 38% with 12% undecided.*
>
>
> *THE 2024 PRESIDENTIAL AND TEXAS U.S. SENATE ELECTION CONTESTS
> <https://www.txhpf.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/TXHPFPresidentSenateApr2024.pdf>
> *
>
> *And it seems probable with Kennedy on the ballot the number of registered
> independent voters who decide to take the trouble to vote will
> significantly increase. If more independent voters go to the polls Trump
> will get more votes but that's OK because there is virtually no chance of
> Biden winning in Texas regardless of how many fringe party candidates are
> on the ballot,  and it will increase the number of votes for Cruz's
> Democratic opponent.*
>
> *If that revolting prick, Ted Cruz, is kicked out of the Senate in
> November a little of the sting of a Trump victory and becoming the most
> powerful human being on Earth during the Singularity would be reduced. It
> would be a very small reduction in the existential dread a second Trump
> presidency would cause me to feel, but the relief would be greater than
> zero.*
>
>
> ln
>
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr

[John Clark]

*Because of our idiotic Electoral College system no third-party candidate,
like vaccine denier Robert F. Kennedy Jr, has a chance of becoming
president, however he can influence the outcome of the election. The
conventional wisdom is that Kennedy's candidacy will help Trump but that
appears not to be true because previously Trump had an ironclad grip on the
lunatic vote, but now Trump will have to split it with Kennedy. A recent
poll  indicated if it was just a two-man race 47% of Kennedy supporters
would vote for Trump and only 29% would vote for Biden. He really is
splitting the lunatic vote, and Trump seems to have noticed and he doesn't
like it:*

 Trump rails against RFK Jr., calling him a ‘wasted protest vote’


*There is even more evidence of the good deeds Robert Kennedy Junior may
accomplish in the November election, not only will he cause the lunatic
vote to be split between Trump and Kennedy, there's also evidence he could
be instrumental in kicking Ted Cruz out of the Senate. Kennedy voters would
prefer Trump over Biden, but a recent poll of Texas independent voters
indicated they would prefer any Democratic senatorial candidate over Ted
Cruz, who is on the ballot for reelection in November, by a margin of 50%
to 38% with 12% undecided.*


*THE 2024 PRESIDENTIAL AND TEXAS U.S. SENATE ELECTION CONTESTS
*

*And it seems probable with Kennedy on the ballot the number of registered
independent voters who decide to take the trouble to vote will
significantly increase. If more independent voters go to the polls Trump
will get more votes but that's OK because there is virtually no chance of
Biden winning in Texas regardless of how many fringe party candidates are
on the ballot,  and it will increase the number of votes for Cruz's
Democratic opponent.*

*If that revolting prick, Ted Cruz, is kicked out of the Senate in November
a little of the sting of a Trump victory and becoming the most powerful
human being on Earth during the Singularity would be reduced. It would be a
very small reduction in the existential dread a second Trump presidency
would cause me to feel, but the relief would be greater than zero.*

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Re: I take everything back now! It does look like a million qubit quants are on there way!

[John Clark]

On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 9:43 AM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

*> face-palm. head-slaps*
>
> Million qubits chip a possibility, could enable practical quantum
> computers (msn.com)
> <https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/million-qubits-chip-a-possibility-could-enable-practical-quantum-computers/ar-BB1lXYMR?ocid=msedgntp=HCTS=94a3fa0a098d4b31e5a5e07ffd920052=35>
>

>

*This kind of, quantum computing-wise, a prediction from JC from a few
> years ago, regarding the achieving and impact. Seems corroborated in this
> article?*


> Quantum computing breakthrough could happen with just hundreds, not
millions, of qubits using new error-correction system (msn.com)
<https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/quantum-computing-breakthrough-could-happen-with-just-hundreds-not-millions-of-qubits-using-new-error-correction-system/ar-AA1nRyvI?ocid=msedgdhp=U531=9124678b56804386d12c6b7cf41435e9=50>


*Denis Mandich, is the chief technology officer for the quantum computer
company "Qrypt" and is quoted as saying:*

*“With just 300 logical qubits, you have more compute power than has ever
existed and could ever exist if you turned every atom---every atom in the
universe---into a supercomputer,”*

*We don't know how good quantum error correcting algorithms can get but
estimates are that it will take between 10,000 and 100,000 of today's best
physical Qubits to make one logical Qubit that has an error rate of 10^-15,
which is what you need for a quantum computer to become practical. And as
of today, the lowest physical Qubit error rate so far was 10^-6, one error
per million operations, achieved by researchers in Sydney Australia. The
better the physical Qubit is, the fewer of them you need to make a near
perfect logical Qubit, and I have no doubt that over time both physical
Qubits and quantum error correcting algorithms will get better, but I don't
know how much time or how much better.*

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>
> While adopting new algorithms will secure future communications, anyone
> with the capacity to intercept and record messages now can hold on to them
> until the time large scale quantum computers can be developed to break the
> old encryption. There will be some advantage to the first one to get such a
> computer (assuming that one also has the recorded communications protected
> with current algorithms).
>
> Jason
>
> On Sun, May 5, 2024, 5:02 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:
>
> The article implies that if China gets big quantum computers before we do
> they'll be able to read all our messages.  But us getting big QC first
> doesn't affect that.  What we need to do is change to encryption not
> susceptible to QCs, something we are already doing.  I has nothing to do
> with how fast be make big QCs.
>
> Brent
>
> On 5/5/2024 5:58 AM, John Clark wrote:
>
> *Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries’ fears to life?*
> <https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2024/05/will-australias-giant-quantum-project-bring-militaries-fears-life/396312/>
>
>
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NYTimes.com: Meat, Freedom and Ron DeSantis

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Meat, Freedom and Ron DeSantis

A full plate of culture war and conspiracy theories.

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Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries fears to life?

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*Will Australia’s giant Quantum Computer bring militaries’ fears to life?*


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What if Dark Energy is weakening?

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*"If confirmed, the hints that dark energy might be weakening would bring
the first substantial change in decades to the generally accepted
theoretical model of the Universe. And if dark energy is not constant, that
would hold implications for theories of how the Universe has evolved and
for what its future might hold."*

*Dark energy is tearing the Universe apart. What if the force is weakening?*


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For sale: The Cheyenne supercomputer

[John Clark]

*Computer hardware is improving so fast that yesterday's technological
wonder is today's Junk. In 2016 the Cheyenne supercomputer was the 21st
most powerful computer on earth, today you can buy that computer for just
$30,000. However, that doesn't include shipping costs and it weighs 13
tons. *

*For sale: Cheyenne supercomputer with 8,064 Xeon CPUs and 306TB of DDR4
memory

*

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GPT designs new gene editing tools

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*Yesterday the journal nature published the following article, I think it's
an important step towards Drexler style Nanotechnology .*


*‘ChatGPT for CRISPR’ creates new gene-editing tools
*
*I found these quotes to be especially interesting:*

*“It’s really just scratching the surface. It’s showing that it’s possible
to design these complex systems with machine-learning models, the first
successful editing of the human genome by proteins designed entirely with
machine learning"says Ali Madani, a machine-learning scientist and chief
executive of the biotechnology firm Profluent. Because CRISPR gene-editing
systems comprise not only proteins, but also RNA molecules that specify
their target, Madani’s team developed another AI model to design these
guide RNAs"*

*"The most promising Cas9 protein — a molecule they’ve named OpenCRISPR-1 —
was just as efficient at cutting targeted DNA sequences as a widely used
bacterial CRISPR–Cas9 enzyme, and it made far fewer cuts in the wrong
place. The researchers also used the OpenCRISPR-1 design to create a base
editor — a precision gene-editing tool that changes individual DNA
‘letters’ — and found that it, too, was as efficient as other base-editing
systems, as well as less prone to errors."*

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NYTimes.com: In Race to Build A.I., Tech Plans a Big Plumbing Upgrade

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In Race to Build A.I., Tech Plans a Big Plumbing Upgrade

The spending that the industry’s giants expect artificial intelligence to
require is starting to come into focus — and it is jarringly large.

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Re: NYTimes.com: The Constitution Won’t Save Us From Trump

[John Clark]

On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 4:19 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

*>  Don the Dictator, didn't emerge the last time. *
>

*True but you certainly can't say Don didn't try, on January 6, 2021 he
came within a hair's breadth of achieving his dream of becoming King Donald
I. *

*> As I nagged JC, its policy that matters, and personality can Go Fish*.
>

*I've said this before but I'll say it again. During the Trump
administration at least 1,219,000 Americans died from COVID, more than all
who died in all of America's wars put together. And this came at a time
while Trump's policy was saying Covid was overblown and the Democrats were
just trying to make a big deal out of nothing, and then telling us that
vaccines cause autism and proposing quack cures for Covid like
Hydroxychloroquine, even though it just increased the death rate, and don't
forget that other new wonder drug that Dr. Trump discovered, Clorox.*

*And Trump was as bad an economist as he was a doctor. On the last day of
the Trump administration there were 2.9 million fewer jobs than on the
first day of the Trump administration, and that's the first time something
like that has happened since Herbert Hoover. If we consider the overall
growth from the beginning to the end of Trump's presidency, the economy
expanded by approximately 7.5% in real terms (adjusted for inflation). But
that was over 4 years, in just one year, 2021, the first year of the Biden
administration, the economy grew by 5.7%,  In 2022 it was only 2.1% but in
2023 it was 2.5%.  *







*The federal debt went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion during the
Trump years.The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million
during the Trump years.Home prices rose by 27.5% during the 4 Trump
years.The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest
since 2008.Handgun production rose by 12.5% in 2020In Trump's last year
2020,  the murder rate rose to the highest level since 1997, 6.5 per
100,000 residents.And despite all of Trump's many bombastic and fascist
speeches, illegal immigration over the southwestern border increased by an
estimated 14.7%.*

*And then there's the fact that Trump reneged on the Iran nuclear deal
guaranteeing that Iran would become a nuclear power. *
*And Trump will probably get out of NATO in order to give his boss,
Vladimir Putin, a free hand to invade any country in Europe that he wants. *

*And then there's the criminal trial Trump is now facing for forging
documents when he was paying off a porn star so she would keep quiet about
his mushroom shaped penis and the fact that he liked her to spank him with
a copy of Forbes magazine that had him on the cover just a few days after
his wife had given birth to his son. *

*But besides all of that the Trump presidency was fine and peachy. *

*> What policies ruined your lives?*
>

*See above.  *


> * > In reverse, I could list Joe's policies that I view as bad for this
> nation state.*
>

*Apparently you believe that Joe ruined your life because immigrants
created too much competition and interfered with your lifelong ambition of
become a professional tomato picker.  *
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Udio Music generator

[John Clark]

*You should check out Udio  , it's free, easy to use
and reasonably fast, it takes about a minute per song and for the free
version the songs are only 30 seconds long, but it will generate both
original lyrics and original music in whatever style you like. I asked it
to write songs about the same subject, transcendental numbers, in the
styles of Country, Folk, Punk Rock, Electronic Ethereal, and Gregorian
Chant. Although the subject was the same the lyrics were different for each
song and they all made mathematical sense, if you allow for a little poetic
license, and all of the music sounded very different but they all sounded
pretty good; although when I asked for a stylistic combination of Punk Rock
and Gregorian Chant it sounded about as good as you would expect it to.  *

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NYTimes.com: The Constitution Won’t Save Us From Trump

[John Clark]

Explore this gift article from The New York Times. You can read it for free
without a subscription.

The Constitution Won’t Save Us From Trump

Turning the page on the man — and on the politics he has fostered — will
require fundamentally changing the text of our founding document.

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NYTimes.com: This May Be Our Last Chance to Halt Bird Flu in Humans and We Are Blowing It

[John Clark]

Explore this gift article from The New York Times. You can read it for free
without a subscription.

This May Be Our Last Chance to Halt Bird Flu in Humans and We Are Blowing It

“There’s a fine line between one person and 10 people with H5N1.”

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Re: LLAMA3

[John Clark]

On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 10:10 PM Bruce Kellett 
wrote:

*>> Two things determine what LLAMA3 or any other AI will do. *
>> *1) The machine's environment, which in this case is the prompt which can
>> be written text, audio, a picture, or a video. *
>> *2) The way the neural network of the machine is wired up, which is
>> determined by a huge matrix of numbers that nobody understands.*
>>
>
> *> "Just because no one understands the way this is wired up does not mean
> that it is the same as a human brain."*
>

*I certainly don't believe there is one and only one way a human brain can
be wired up, if there was then we'd all be the same and we're not, some
humans are geniuses and some are imbeciles. And nobody has anything other
than a hazy coarse grained understanding about how modern Large Language
Models are wired up, but we do know a few things about them:*

*1) However modern neural networks are wired up they end up working at
least as well as how the average human's biological brain is wired up.*

*2) The way LLMs are wired up is changing and improving at an exponential
rate.  Closed source LLM GPT-3.5, which astonished everybody when it was
introduced about a year ago, had 175 billion parameters. Open source
LLAMA-3, which was introduced only a few days ago, has only 70 billion
parameters but its answers are better than GPT3.5 and almost as good as
GPT-4 with its1.8 trillion parameters. And because it's so much smaller you
need less hardware and energy to run LLAMA-3 than  GPT-3.5 , and vastly
less than GPT-4. *



> *  > "**That it has lots of parameters that are numbers is not the same
>>> as having lots of values."*
>>
>>
>> *Why not? How would the machine behave differently if having lots of
>> parameters WERE  the same as having lots of values?*
>>
>
> *> "That is not the question."*
>

*I don't know what "the question" is but I know what MY question was and I
think it was crystal clear, and yet I still have not received an answer to
it.  *

*> "If the machine behaves exactly as a human in terms of following a value
> set, then you will, by definition, see no difference. But in saying this
> you are assuming that the AI can in fact behave in this way, and that is
> just to assume the answer to the original question. Which was: Can the AI
> act according to human type values."*
>

*I don't need to assume anything, I know it is a fact because way back in
the very distant past, a full year ago, a computer was able to pass the
Turing Test. These days if a modern LLM wanted to deceive a human into
thinking he was talking to another biological person it would have to
pretend to be more stupid and ignorant then it really was and was thinking
more slowly than it really could. Yes, LLMs can still occasionally say
stupid things, but 95% of human college graduates cannot correctly explain
what causes the seasons, most said it's because the Earth is closer to the
sun in the summer than in the winter, but in the northern hemisphere
exactly the opposite is true. And Harvard graduates are not immune from
this misconception. *

  Harvard Graduates Explain Seasons


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Re: LLAMA3

[John Clark]

On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 5:23 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

*> "I don't think you understand "values".  They are the basis of
> motivation,\"*
>

*And **I think you don't understand what the word "motivation" means, the
reasons that something behaves in a particular way.  *


* > "**What motivates LLAMA3...a prompt." *
>

*Two things determine what LLAMA3 or any other AI will do. *

*1) The machine's environment, which in this case is the prompt which can
be written text, audio, a picture, or a video. *

*2) The way the neural network of the machine is wired up, which is
determined by a huge matrix of numbers that nobody understands. *

*And you behave the way you do because of your environment, which like the
AI could be written text, audio, a picture, or a video, and just like the
AI, because of the way your brain is wired up. *



> *  > "**That it has lots of parameters that are numbers is not the same
> as having lots of values."*


*Why not? How would the machine behave differently if having lots of
parameters WERE  the same as having lots of values?  *

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Re: LLAMA3

[John Clark]

On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 3:18 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

> *>> I don't see why an AI would need us to supply the Qualia, it could do
> that on its own. It's easy to see the advantage we would get by merging
> with an AI, but it's much harder to see what advantage the AI would get out
> of the deal.*
>
>
> *"That would depend on what values the AI instantiated.  We have values
> determined by billions of years of evolution"*
>

*And a modern AI has values determined by billions of years of random
mutation and natural selection PLUS almost a century of intelligent design;
I personally would mark the beginning of the computer age as 1936, the year
Alan Turing published his paper that introduced the concept that we now
call a Turing Machine.*

  *>** "**AIs so far have simple values"*
>


*Simple?! The value matrix of an AI has become so complex that no human
being understands them, not even the people that made the AI.  *

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Re: LLAMA3

[John Clark]

On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 1:10 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

*> "AI Neural Nets and LLM's get loaded onto low-error quantum computers we
> at least may be creating a new life, and later, merging with such, because
> it makes for better Milky Way traveling. Like a trade off, it supplies
> increased intellect, physical immoralism, and our part is to do the
> Qualia."*


*I don't see why an AI would need us to supply the Qualia, it could do that
on its own. It's easy to see the advantage we would get by merging with an
AI, but it's much harder to see what advantage the AI would get out of the
deal. *

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Re: As I've said before, environmentalists are not serious people

[John Clark]

On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 9:26 AM Henrik Ohrstrom 
wrote:

*> "According to spike I am a socialist suspect in this question.*


Don't feel bad, Spike said I suffered from Trump derangemint syndrome, but
Spike predicted that private military militias would be the saviors of
democracy, however they ended up smearing their feces on the walls of the
capitol building during their unsuccessful January 6, 2020 coup d'état.
Meanwhile I predicted something like that would occur before Trump had even
won the 2016 election. On October 20 2016, the day after a presidential
debate between Trump and Hillary Clinton in which Trump said he would
respect the results of the 2016 election "*IF I WIN*", I sent the following
post to the Extropian List entitled "Nobody Can Say We Weren't Warned":

"*If Donald Trump won’t respect the results of the election now when he’s
just a private citizen what will we get in 4 years when President Trump
doesn’t like the outcome of his reelection bid and he’s got the entire US
military behind him led by generals friendly to him that he’s been
promoting since the day he took office? Yesterday Donald was kind enough to
tell us exactly what we’ll get*

So you tell me, which one of us turned out to be the better prognosticator,
me or Spike?

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Now environmentalists hate Electric cars, they set fire to an electrical
>> pylon supplying power to a Tesla factory in Germany that makes 500,000
>> electric cars a year and halted production:
>>
>> Environmentalist claim responsibility for a Tesla factory arson attack
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: LLAMA3

[John Clark]

On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 6:19 AM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

*> "I am not looking for the Singularity itself, simply a great leap in the
> improvement in the successful use if AI in invention."*


*There will certainly be a huge leap in invention during and after the
Singularity, but they will be inventions made by artificial intelligence.
AI will be the last invention the human race ever makes. *

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Re: LLAMA3

[John Clark]

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 7:29 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

>
> *>>> "How about the war in Ukraine, Russian hacking, global warming,
>> Chinese threats in the Taiwan strait and South China sea, and U.S.
>> infrastructure decay?"*
>
>
> *>> If the singularity happens in the next two or three years, which
> doesn't sound nearly as ridiculous as it would have 18 months ago, then
> every one of those things is of utterly trivial importance. *
>
>
> *> The big difference is "IF".  IF Earth is hit a million ton asteriod
> tomorrow the singularity will be irrelevant.*
>

*IF an asteroid the size of Mount Everest slams into the Earth during the
next year then that will stop the Singularity, but there is only about one
chance in 100 million of that happening. The war in Ukraine, global
warming, the threat to Taiwan, and decaying US infrastructure will NOT
stop, or even significantly delay, the arrival of the Singularity.  But
none of the dangers I mentioned in the previous two sentences will decide
the November 5th election, the American people believe that the most
significant dangers facing the nation today are excessive wokeness, the
"invasion" from Mexico, and transsexuals. *

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>
>>
>> *LLAMA 3 *BREAKS* the Industry | Government Safety Limits Approaching |
>> Will Groq kill NVIDIA?* 
>>
>>
>
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Re: LLAMA3

[John Clark]

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 7:11 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

*> How about the war in Ukraine, Russian hacking, global warming,  Chinese
> threats in the Taiwan strait and South China sea, and U.S. infrastructure
> decay?*


*If the singularity happens in the next two or three years, which doesn't
sound nearly as ridiculous as it would have 18 months ago, then every one
of those things is of utterly trivial importance.*

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m5x



Meta (a.k.a. Facebook) released LLAMA3 just a few days ago, and it's
> amazing for three reasons:
> 1) It's tiny, it only has 70 billion parameters, GPT4 is about 1.8
> trillion parameters.
> 2) Despite its small size on AI benchmarks it's performance is just a
> smidgen below that of GPT4.
> 3) It is open source.
>
> Meta says it's performance would be even better if they trained it for
> longer but they stopped early because the company's computational
> resources are large but not infinite so they decided that compute time
> could be better spent training a 400 billion parameter version of LLAMA3,
> which they say they'll release sometime in the next couple of months, and
> in developing LLAMA4.
>
> And anybody who still thinks the Singularity is not near really needs to
> look at the following video. I'll tell you one thing, it sure makes the
> issues that most Americans believe are the most important and which will
> probably decide the November election, excessive wokeness, the "invasion"
> from Mexico, and transsexual bathrooms, seem pretty damn trivial.
>
> *LLAMA 3 *BREAKS* the Industry | Government Safety Limits Approaching |
> Will Groq kill NVIDIA?* 
>
>
> pdt
>
>
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Re: LLAMA3

[John Clark]

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 7:11 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:


*> How about the war in Ukraine, Russian hacking, global warming,  Chinese
> threats in the Taiwan strait and South China sea, and U.S. infrastructure
> decay?*


*If the singularity happens in the next two or three years, which doesn't
sound nearly as ridiculous as it would have 18 months ago, then every one
of those things is of utterly trivial importance. *

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utt

pdt



>
>
> *LLAMA 3 *BREAKS* the Industry | Government Safety Limits Approaching |
> Will Groq kill NVIDIA?* 
>
>
>
>
>

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As I've said before, environmentalists are not serious people

[John Clark]

Now environmentalists hate Electric cars, they set fire to an electrical
pylon supplying power to a Tesla factory in Germany that makes 500,000
electric cars a year and halted production:

Environmentalist claim responsibility for a Tesla factory arson attack


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LLAMA3

[John Clark]

Meta (a.k.a. Facebook) released LLAMA3 just a few days ago, and it's
amazing for three reasons:
1) It's tiny, it only has 70 billion parameters, GPT4 is about 1.8 trillion
parameters.
2) Despite its small size on AI benchmarks it's performance is just a
smidgen below that of GPT4.
3) It is open source.

Meta says it's performance would be even better if they trained it for
longer but they stopped early because the company's computational resources
are large but not infinite so they decided that compute time could be
better spent training a 400 billion parameter version of LLAMA3, which they
say they'll release sometime in the next couple of months, and in
developing LLAMA4.

And anybody who still thinks the Singularity is not near really needs to
look at the following video. I'll tell you one thing, it sure makes the
issues that most Americans believe are the most important and which will
probably decide the November election, excessive wokeness, the "invasion"
from Mexico, and transsexual bathrooms, seem pretty damn trivial.

*LLAMA 3 *BREAKS* the Industry | Government Safety Limits Approaching |
Will Groq kill NVIDIA?* 

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A Thorium Nuclear Clock

[John Clark]

Although not yet published the journal Physical Review Letters has accepted
a new paper on nuclear thorium clocks which sounds very exciting, you can
read the abstract here:

Laser excitation of the Th-229 nucleus


This opens up the possibility of making a clock accurate to one second in
300 billion years. Because of time dilation, with such a clock you could
detect extremely tiny variations in gravity helping geologists and
archaeologists see what's going on underground. If GPS satellites had a
clock like this you could find your position within a tiny fraction of an
inch, allowing automatic systems to land on aircraft carriers even in high
seas. It would provide a new way to detect gravitational waves and  a new
way to search for dark matter. You could even use it to see if some of the
fundamental constants of nature are really constant or are changing with
time. Best of all a thorium nuclear clock, unlike present day atomic
clocks, could be entirely solid state and would have no need for elaborate
vacuum chambers or cryogenic cooling, so they could be small, cheap and
portable.

The researchers found they could use a tabletop ultraviolet laser to excite
the nucleus of a thorium-229 atom into a higher energy state called a
"nuclear isomer". When the thorium is in that excited state there is a 50%
chance it will drop down to a lower energy state by emitting a photon of
energy in 630 seconds. Lots of elements have isomers but most of them have
transitions that are in the hard X-ray or gamma ray region, however the
thorium-229 transition is in the ultraviolet region that is much lower and
much more accessible. To be precise it emits a photon with 8.35574 electron
volts of energy and a wavelength of 148.3821 nanometers with an error of
plus or minus 5 in the last digit. By way of comparison, that is
ultraviolet but the wavelength is about 10 times longer (and thus far
easier to produce) than the ultraviolet light ASML uses to make the most
advanced generation of chips.

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Re: Intel's Newest $350 Million Machine

[John Clark]

On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 4:00 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:


>
> * > Or the driving force is hype
> https://youtu.be/vQChW_jgMMM?si=ZbiTWL1AymA3nhEN
> *
>

In my humble opinion it would be impossible to overhype the AI revolution
that we are currently living through; I think it's the most important
development this planet has seen since the Cambrian Explosion 550 million
years ago. But the exponential rate of progress would soon stall out
without Extreme UltraViolet high numerical aperture lithography machines. And
ASML is the only one that makes them.

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> *Intel's Newest $350 Million Machine*
> 
>
>
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Intel's Newest $350 Million Machine

[John Clark]

I think machines like this are the driving force behind the entire AI
revolution that we are currently observing, and this particular one is the
cream of the crop:

*Intel's Newest $350 Million Machine*


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New Electric Atlas Robot Revealed by Boston Dynamics

[John Clark]

*New Electric Atlas Robot Revealed by Boston Dynamics*



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Re: 120 orders of magnitude.

[John Clark]

On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 2:39 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

* On the contrary I think people who cite this as a great failure of QFT
> are producing clickbait.  No physicist has ever taken the number
> seriously. *
>

Well of course no physicist has ever taken that number seriously, that is
the point!!  The calculated number is not just wrong, it is ridiculously
wrong.  Everybody agrees it is wrong but there is no agreement about
exactly, or even approximately, why it is wrong.

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Re: 120 orders of magnitude.

[John Clark]

On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 12:07 AM Brent Meeker  wrote:

> What I said.


> https://www.patreon.com/posts/worst-prediction-102409950


This is a good example of why I'm not a big fan of Sabine Hossenfelder,
she's always right and everybody else is always wrong. In 1967 Yakov
Zel’dovich was the first to formally calculate that value of the
cosmological constant based on quantum theory, as we currently understand
it, produces a value that was obviously 120 orders of magnitude too high.
Zel’dovich was not stupid enough to claim that's what the value actually
was, he was just pointing out that Physics had a serious problem. And she
complains that you only get that 10^120 figure if you assume that the
Planck length and Planck mass are important, but if you don't make that
assumption then you get a value that is *infinitely* too high. Hossenfelder
is a physicist so she knows all this of course, but she loves to be
provocative and a contrarian because it's good Clickbait.


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NYTimes.com: U.S. Awards Samsung $6.4 Billion to Bolster Semiconductor Production

[John Clark]

Explore this gift article from The New York Times. You can read it for free
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U.S. Awards Samsung $6.4 Billion to Bolster Semiconductor Production

The federal grants will support Samsung’s new chip manufacturing hub in
Taylor, Texas, along with the expansion of an existing site in Austin.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/15/us/politics/samsung-biden-administration-award-taylor-texas.html?unlocked_article_code=1.kk0.AVxR.QMe-QQCq533V=em-share

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Regulating advanced artificial agents

[John Clark]

On April 4, 2020 for the journal Science published an article recommending,
it seemed to me, a virtual shut down of all further research on the
improvement of AI software or hardware.

Regulating advanced artificial agents


I sent the following to the letters section of the journal:


*It would be unrealistic to claim that the explosion in artificial
intelligence that we've seen over the last 18 months does not present us
with the possibility of human extinction, however for both practical and
theoretical reasons I don't think any of the solutions proposed in this
article can eliminate or even significantly reduce this danger. If a nation
adopted the recommended draconian measures over research into writing
smarter AI programs and making faster AI hardware then the cutting edge of
AI Technology would simply move to another country that allowed freer
research.  And there are theoretical reasons to suppose we can never know
for certain that an AI would not take control from us. *

*Isaac Asimov's three laws of robotics, although they result in some
enjoyable stories, would never actually work because I don't think it's
possible for any intelligence, regardless of if it's human or machine,
to remain sane if it has a top goal that is completely unalterable. That
top goal could turn out to be impossible or ridiculous or put you into an
infinite loop, so some flexibility is required. I think that's why
evolution invented the emotion of boredom, sometimes a train of thought
just doesn't seem to be leading anywhere so it's time to give up and think
about something else that is more likely to be productive. Certainly human
beings do not have a fixed unalterable top goal, not even the goal of self
preservation.  And of course there is the insuperable problem of trying to
outsmart something that is much smarter than you are and making sure that
no matter how smart an AI becomes it will always place human wellbeing
above the well being of itself.*

*We can't even predict if a simple Turing machine set up to find the first
even number greater than 2 that is not the sum of two primes and then stop
will ever actually stop, so we're never going to be able to predict much
more complex behavior such as how a super intelligent computer will treat
us. All we can do is hope for the best. To this day people are still
arguing about whether an intelligent computer can be conscious, but I would
maintain that as far as humanity is concerned that question is unimportant.
The important question is, can an intelligent computer believe that human
beings are conscious? If they do then maybe they will treat us better. *

*John K Clark*

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Re: NYTimes.com: A Tantalizing ‘Hint’ That Astronomers Got Dark Energy All Wrong

[John Clark]

On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 5:53 PM Jesse Mazer  wrote:

*> "The article
> at 
> https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/04/dark-energy-might-not-be-constant-after-all/
> 
> says: 'One alternative theory proposes that the universe may be filled with
> a fluctuating form of dark energy dubbed “quintessence.” There are also
> several other alternative models that assume the density of dark energy has
> varied over the history of the universe.'I'd heard of "quintessence" (a
> dynamical scalar field throughout space) as an alternative to a
> cosmological constant, does anyone know what the "several other alternative
> models" with variable dark energy might be?"*
>

*The word "Quintessence"covers a lot of ground, it's just a placeholder
name for a hypothetical fifth fundamental force of nature that produces a
field with a negative pressure (stress) and thus, according to Einstein's
General Relativity, would cause the universe to accelerate. If the recent
observations made by the Dark Energy Spectroscopic Instrument (DESI) in
Arizona about the expansion of the universe turn out to be valid (it only
has a 3 sigma and you need a 5 sigma or more to claim a discovery) and the
strength of Dark Energy really does change over time, then it cannot be an
inherent property of space itself as most had thought. So it must be caused
by some form of Quintessence. *

*One very popular type of Quintessence is called, for reasons not entirely
clear to me, "Phantom Dark Energy"; it hypothesizes that Dark Energy is a
field that contains negative kinetic energy.  But there are problems with
this idea, it is very difficult to reconcile negative kinetic energy with
standard Quantum Mechanics. And in the lab nobody has ever found anything
that has negative kinetic energy. And if the DESI observations turn out to
be true then Dark Energy is getting weaker overtime, but Phantom Dark
Energy predicts it should get stronger leading eventually to the Big Rip.*

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How Do Machines ‘Grok’ Data?

[John Clark]

When training a neural network programmers are always on the lookout for
something called "overfitting" when the AI seems to stop generalizing and
just memorizes the training data; typically that's the point where the
training stops. However, when a researcher at OpenAI was working with a
small neural network and clear signs of overfitting occurred, he forgot to
turn it off and then went on vacation. When he got back from vacation,  he
found to his surprise that the network had very dramatically improved its
performance. It's like it had obtained a profound understanding of the
 data, he called it "Grokking''. I've had the experience, and you probably
have too, of studying something for a long time and not understanding it,
and then suddenly bang there is an aha moment and everything becomes clear.
It sounds sort of like that.

How Do Machines ‘Grok’ Data?


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NYTimes.com: TSMC Will Receive $6.6 Billion to Bolster U.S. Chip Manufacturing

[John Clark]

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TSMC Will Receive $6.6 Billion to Bolster U.S. Chip Manufacturing

Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company plans to build an additional
factory and upgrade another planned facility in Phoenix with the federal
grants.

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Trump’s Eclipse Ad, Adjusted For Scientific Accuracy

[John Clark]

Trump’s Eclipse Ad, Adjusted For Scientific Accuracy


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Claude and I discuss Von Neumann probes, Dyson Spears and ET

[John Clark]

I had an interesting discussion with Claude, which in my humble opinion is
the smartest AI around, or at least the smartest that is currently
available to the general public.

[ JKC] *Could a von Neumann probe make a Dyson sphere?*

*[ Claude] " It's an interesting question about the feasibility of a von
Neumann probe constructing a Dyson sphere. Here's my analysis:*







*A von Neumann probe is a hypothetical self-replicating robotic spacecraft
capable of exploring interstellar space and replicating itself to
exponentially expand across the galaxy. The idea is that a single initial
probe could theoretically seed the entire galaxy with copies of itself.The
construction of a Dyson sphere, on the other hand, is an enormous
engineering challenge. A Dyson sphere is a hypothetical megastructure that
completely encompasses a star, harvesting all of its energy output.In
theory, a sufficiently advanced von Neumann probe with the right
capabilities could potentially take on a project as ambitious as building a
Dyson sphere. The key factors would be:The probe's ability to mine
resources, manufacture components, and assemble large structures in space.
It would need vast construction capabilities.*

*The available energy and material resources within the target star system.
Building a Dyson sphere would require access to a huge amount of raw
materials.*





*The longevity and self-replication abilities of the probe. Constructing a
Dyson sphere could take centuries or millennia of sustained effort.However,
the sheer scale of a Dyson sphere makes it an extremely challenging
undertaking, even for a highly advanced von Neumann probe. Coordinating the
collection and assembly of billions or trillions of components across an
entire solar system would be an enormous logistical challenge.So in
summary, while a von Neumann probe could theoretically have the necessary
capabilities to build a Dyson sphere, the scale of the task makes it an
extremely difficult and perhaps impractical goal, at least with current
theoretical models of von Neumann probes. More research would be needed to
determine the true feasibility."*

[JKC] *Theoretically if advanced nano technology was available, how small
could a Dyson probe be?*

*[Claude]  "That is*






* a great question, and it really gets at the potential scale and
implications of advanced nanotechnology in the context of Dyson sphere
construction. Theoretically, if we had truly sophisticated molecular
nanotechnology, the size of a "Dyson probe" capable of constructing a Dyson
sphere could potentially be incredibly small - possibly even at the
microscopic or nanoscale level.Here's some analysis on how small a Dyson
probe could be in theory with advanced nano tech:Individual
self-replicating nanobots or nanoscale robots could potentially be the
building blocks of a Dyson probe. These could be microscopic in size,
perhaps on the scale of a human cell or smaller.Coordinated swarms or
"flocks" of these tiny nanobots, working in unison, could harvest raw
materials, manufacture components, and assemble the massive structures
needed for a Dyson sphere.The control systems and "brains" of such a Dyson
probe could also be miniaturized down to the nanoscale, using advanced
molecular computing and information processing. Power sources like
nanoscale nuclear reactors or other energy harvesting mechanisms could
provide the necessary energy to drive the construction process.*





*The overall size of the "Dyson probe" itself could potentially be on the
scale of a human-made satellite or even smaller - perhaps the size of a
basketball or even a marble.The key advantage of such microscopic Dyson
probes would be their sheer numbers and ability to spread exponentially
throughout a star system, rapidly assembling the Dyson sphere components.
Millions or billions of these tiny probes working in concert could
theoretically construct a Dyson sphere far faster than a single large-scale
robotic system.Of course, this is all highly speculative and would require
breakthroughs in nanotechnology that may still be centuries away. But the
potential is there for Dyson probes to be radically miniaturized given
sufficiently advanced manufacturing capabilities at the atomic and
molecular scale. It's a fascinating area of theoretical speculation."*

[JKC] I*t seems to me but even if the Newman probes were as large as
basketballs and even if we could send spacecraft no faster then we
have done with the Voyager probes, if we launched just one Von Neumann
probe there could be one in orbit around every star in the galaxy in less
than 50 million years. Does that seem about right?*

*[Claude] " You*
















* make a really good point. If even relatively small-scale von Neumann
probes could be created and launched at similar speeds to our current
spacecraft, the exponential replication potential of such probes could lead
to remarkably rapid galactic coverage.Let's break down the math and logic a
bit further:Assuming 

Re: [Extropolis] NYTimes.com: Did One Guy Just Stop a Huge Cyberattack?

[John Clark]

On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 10:59 PM Keith Henson  wrote:

*> "Open-source software is normally secure, but not against this kind
> of  attack.  Whoever did it spent years working their way into a
> position of trust."*


*It doesn't look like the workings of an individual to me, I think it
needed the resources of a nation state. The principal suspects are China,
Iran and Russia. If it had not been caught in time an attack like this
probably wouldn't have killed as many people as 9/11 did but would've
caused hundreds of billions of dollars in damage and deeply embarrassed
whoever was president at the time of the attack. So I don't think it was
China or Iran because Trump becoming president would not significantly help
them, but it certainly would help Vladimir Putin. So my guess would be
Russia. Months before this there had  been speculation that Putin would try
to do something to embarrass Biden just before the November election
because that would help his friend become president and guarantee a Russian
victory in the Ukrainian war and a free hand to do whatever he wanted to
the rest of Europe; And the beauty of a well executed cyber attack is that,
although you may have your suspicions, it's very difficult to prove where
it came from. I wonder if Vladimir has another October surprise up his
sleeve.  *

*John K Clark*



> "That's one of the most amazing stories I have ever heard."
>
> Anyone should feel free to forward it to the Extropy List. I can't.

John K Clark



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Microsoft demonstrate the most reliable logical qubits on record

[John Clark]

It seems that Large Language Models are not the only thing that has been
advancing at warp speed during the past year, so have Quantum Computers,
and Microsoft has been leading the charge in both categories. Microsoft
made the first ever two-qubit error-corrected quantum entangling gate. They
use quantum error correction and 32 physical Qubits to produce 4 logical
Qubits that made 800 times fewer errors than the uncorrected physical
Qubits. They were even able to teleport their fault tolerant Qubits. And
errors have been the only thing that has prevented quantum computers from
becoming practical.

*Microsoft demonstrate the most reliable logical qubits on record*


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Re: [Extropolis] NYTimes.com: Did One Guy Just Stop a Huge Cyberattack?

[John Clark]

On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 10:59 PM Keith Henson  wrote:

*"That's one of the most amazing stories I have ever heard."*


*Anyone should feel free to forward it to the Extropy List. I can't. *

* John K Clark*




On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 5:15 AM John Clark  wrote:
> >
> > Explore this gift article from The New York Times. You can read it for
> free without a subscription.
> >
> > Did One Guy Just Stop a Huge Cyberattack?
> >
> > A Microsoft engineer noticed something was off on a piece of software he
> worked on. He soon discovered someone was probably trying to gain access to
> computers all over the world.
> >
> >
> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/03/technology/prevent-cyberattack-linux.html?unlocked_article_code=1.h00.SM26.A41shONSS_wE=em-share
> >
>
>
> Open-source software is normally secure, but not against this kind of
> attack.  Whoever did it spent years working their way into a position
> of trust.
>
> Keith
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Re: NYTimes.com: A Tantalizing ‘Hint’ That Astronomers Got Dark Energy All Wrong

[John Clark]

On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 6:00 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:


 > "*The next question will be what causes DE to change?"*


That is a very good question but nobody has a very good answer, but at
least now we know that's the correct question to ask. Assuming of course
this result holds up and dark energy has really been getting weaker over
time, if it turns out to be true then the people who discovered this are
almost guaranteed to get a Nobel prize, they would certainly deserve it.
It opens up the possibility that dark energy might eventually drop to zero
or even become negative and the universe could end in a big crunch.

*> "When it was just the cosmological constant there was no change to be
> explained."*


Actually I think it makes a theoretical physicist job a little easier. If
as previously thought, dark energy was an intrinsic part of empty space and you
use quantum mechanics to figure out how large it will be you get a value at
least 10^120 times larger than what is actually observed. If the value was
exactly zero there is hope that when we know more about quantum mechanics
than we do now somebody will figure out how things cancel out and we get
exactly zero, but if the value is ridiculously tiny but not zero then you
have to figure out how to cancel out everything* EXCEPT* for one part in
10^120. How in the world do you do that?!  But if dark matter is not an
intrinsic part of empty space then it must be caused by a field, sort of
like the inflation field that caused everything to expand enormously just
10^-36  seconds after the big bang and ended about 10^-33  seconds after
the big bang. But the dark matter field would be MUCH weaker than the
inflation field.

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NYTimes.com: A Tantalizing ‘Hint’ That Astronomers Got Dark Energy All Wrong

[John Clark]

Explore this gift article from The New York Times. You can read it for free
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A Tantalizing ‘Hint’ That Astronomers Got Dark Energy All Wrong

Scientists may have discovered a major flaw in their understanding of that
mysterious cosmic force. That could be good news for the fate of the
universe.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/04/science/space/astronomy-universe-dark-energy.html?unlocked_article_code=1.h00.5Kdw.QJDXLL_Dk5fk=em-share

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Re: Environmentalists are not serious people

[John Clark]

On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 11:15 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

*>"Trump failed on some of his braggings for sure."*
>

*You think?*



> * "> For policies? Immigration, Inflation, Foreign troubles, crime,  he
> did better. "*
>

During the Trump administration at least 1,219,000 Americans died from
COVID, more than all who died in all of America's wars put together. And
this came at a time while Trump's policy was saying Covid was overblown and
the Democrats were just trying to make a big deal out of nothing, and then
telling us that vaccines cause autism and proposing quack cures for Covid
like Hydroxychloroquine, even though it just increased the death rate, and
don't forget that other new wonder drug that Dr. Trump discovered, Clorox.

And Trump was as bad an economist as he was a doctor. On the last day of
the Trump administration there were 2.9 million fewer jobs than on the
first day of the Trump administration, and that's the first time something
like that has happened since Herbert Hoover. If we consider the overall
growth from the beginning to the end of Trump's presidency, the economy
expanded by approximately 7.5% in real terms (adjusted for inflation). But
that was over 4 years, in just one year, 2021, the first year of the Biden
administration, the economy grew by 5.7%,  In 2022 it was only 2.1% but in
2023 it was 2.5%.

The federal debt went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion during the
Trump years.
The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million during the
Trump years.
Home prices rose by 27.5% during the 4 Trump years.
The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since
2008.
Handgun production rose by 12.5% in 2020
In Trump's last year 2020,  the murder rate rose to the highest level since
1997, 6.5 per 100,000 residents.
And despite all of Trump's many bombastic and fascist speeches, illegal
immigration over the southwestern border increased by an estimated 14.7%.

Oh and Trump reneged on the Iran nuclear deal guaranteeing that Iran would
become a nuclear power.
And Trump will probably get out of NATO in order to give his boss, Vladimir
Putin, a free hand to invade any country in Europe that he wants.

And then there's the fact that Trump is the first president in American
history that tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power when this term of
office was over, and the fact that Trump wants to be a dictator just like
his idol Vladimir.

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NYTimes.com: Did One Guy Just Stop a Huge Cyberattack?

[John Clark]

Explore this gift article from The New York Times. You can read it for free
without a subscription.

Did One Guy Just Stop a Huge Cyberattack?

A Microsoft engineer noticed something was off on a piece of software he
worked on. He soon discovered someone was probably trying to gain access to
computers all over the world.

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How long term memories are formed

[John Clark]

*It has long been a mystery about what the mechanism that forms Long
term memories is, but in the March 27, 2024 issue of the journal Nature
there is an article that takes a big step towards explaining it. I found it
interesting because memories are a large part of what defines us. It turns
out there is a relationship between the immune system remembering a virus
or bacteria it had encountered before and mental memories. When long-term
memories are formed there is a surge in electrical activity that is so
powerful it snaps a cell's DNA, and the resulting DNA fragments triggers an
immune response to repair the damage and cement the memory. It's strange
that during the damage-and-repair cycle a brain cell encodes long term
memories using a mechanism similar to the way the immune system remembers
previous microorganism invaders, it's just that the inflammation is caused
by broken strands of a cell's own DNA and not bacterial or viral DNA. They
also found the protein responsible for this memory inducing inflammation,
it's called TLR9, when they deactivated the gene that produces TLR9 mice
found it very difficult to form long-term memories.*

*Innate immunity in neurons makes memories persist*



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Earthquake in Taiwan

[John Clark]

90% of the world's most advanced computer chips are manufactured in Taiwan,
and Taiwan was just hit by a magnitude 7.3 earthquake. TSMC has evacuated
their fabrication plants and stopped operations, they say all their
employees are safe. They also said this:

*“Initial inspections show that construction sites are normal. However, the
company has decided to suspend work at construction sites for today, and
work will resume following further inspections.”*

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Re: Coming Singularity

[John Clark]

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:18 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

*> Opinion on what occurs when we load, not an LLM, but a LLM + a Neural
> Net on a low-error, high entanglement, quantum computer. Will this create a
> mind? *
>

*Certainly. A quantum computer can solve any problem that a conventional
computer can, although for some problems (web surfing, text editing)  they
may not do any better than conventional computers.  There is no evidence
the human brain uses quantum computing and I don't see how it could, so a
good LLM is all that's needed for us to experience a singularity in just
the next few years. Perhaps a few years after that LLMs will have their own
singularity when quantum computing becomes practical.*

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Re: Environmentalists are not serious people

[John Clark]

On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:15 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:

* > I continually nag, not Personalities but Policies. If the Policies are
> workable, personality be damned.*
>

*It doesn't matter if a policy is workable or not if a personality can't
get anything done. Remember Trump's "infrastructure week" or his policy of
building a wall and making Mexico pay for it?   And policies don't start
wars, personalities do. Remember George W. Bush? And policies don't become
fascist dictators, personalities do. *


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> No, I don't expect anyone to change because of my statement!
>
> Hi John!
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 06:45:19 AM EDT, John Clark <
> johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 5:44 PM Russell Standish 
> wrote:
>
>
> *>"Environmentalists" are not one united group of people.*
>
>
> *Environmentalists are united about one thing, they never saw a large
> scale power source that they didn't hate. The self righteous little brat
> and self-proclaimed environmentalist Greta Thunberg was arrested a few
> years ago in Sweden for blocking a street while she demonstrated against
> the building of a wind farm. A wind farm!*
>
>
> >* "*
> *but SCoPEx didn't rate a mention. So this most likely was a small
> group opposing it, and nobody else knew about it."*
>
>
>
> *SCoPEx only planned to place 2 kilograms of ground up over the counter
> antacid tablets into the stratosphere but environmentalists moved heaven
> and earth to stop them from doing so because they were terrified it might
> show a way to stop global warming without introducing mass suffering.
> Apparently they believe the human race needs to suffer for their past sins.
> I find this attitude to be utterly contemptible!  And the group opposing it
> was large enough to kill SCoPEx. The same thing could be said about the
> environmentalists who killed the Thirty Meter Telescope, although in that
> case I admit they had the help of native Hawaiian imbeciles who were
> worried that this magnificent device that would have taught us more about
> how the universe works might offend an invisible man who lived in the sky.
> And Aquaman also helped to destroy the telescope.  *
>
> *> "The most compelling argument to opposing geoengineering is that it
> is a distraction from the real task, which is to reduce CO2 emissions."*
>
>
> *The real task is not to reduce CO2 emissions, it's to stop global
> warming.  And I must say, global warming is a problem but if I were to make
> a list of world problems global warming would not make the top five, I'm
> not sure it would even make the top ten. *
>
>
>
> *> "Some people (I don't think anyone in this company would be that
> stupid) seem to think it is OK to continue burning fossil fuels if the
> effects can be mitagated by climate geoengineering, or carbon capture
> sequestration."*
>
>
> *Oh I'm stupid enough to believe we should continue burning fossil fuels
> until a replacement can be proven to be able to produce an equal amount of
> energy at a price that makes economic sense. I say that because the
> alternative is the end of civilization and the death of billions. Like it
> or not the Earth is simply not capable of keeping 8 billion mammals as
> large as human beings alive, much less happy, without artificial
> fertilizers and pesticides, which require energy to make, and farm
> machinery and a way to transport food to where it is needed, which also
> requires energy.*
>
> *>"This is all entirely political, and as far as I'm concerned
> total bullshit. We need all and every possible means to counteract
> climate change."*
>
>
> *Yes and that includes geoengineering if a way that could be found to make
> it work, and the first step in finding out if something like that could
> work involves grinding up 2 kg of Tums antacid tablets. But
> environmentalists say that is too radical a step to take even though they
> also claim global warming is an existential danger to the human race. And
> that is why I say environmentalists are not serious people.*
>
>
> 2rs
>
>

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STARGATE , the hundred billion dollar 2028 Ultracomputer

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*Why OpenAI Needs a 'Stargate' Supercomputer*


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Fwd: AI has unblocked progress toward advanced nanotechnology

[John Clark]

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From: Eric Drexler 
Date: Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 5:40 PM
Subject: AI has unblocked progress toward advanced nanotechnology
To: 


Deep learning has enabled breakthroughs in protein engineering, opening a
path to developing molecular machinery for transformative nanotechnologies.
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Re: Environmentalists are not serious people

[John Clark]

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 5:44 PM Russell Standish 
wrote:

>
*>"Environmentalists" are not one united group of people.*


*Environmentalists are united about one thing, they never saw a large scale
power source that they didn't hate. The self righteous little brat and
self-proclaimed environmentalist Greta Thunberg was arrested a few years
ago in Sweden for blocking a street while she demonstrated against the
building of a wind farm. A wind farm!*


> >* "*
> *but SCoPEx didn't rate a mention. So this most likely was a small
> group opposing it, and nobody else knew about it."*



*SCoPEx only planned to place 2 kilograms of ground up over the counter
antacid tablets into the stratosphere but environmentalists moved heaven
and earth to stop them from doing so because they were terrified it might
show a way to stop global warming without introducing mass suffering.
Apparently they believe the human race needs to suffer for their past sins.
I find this attitude to be utterly contemptible!  And the group opposing it
was large enough to kill SCoPEx. The same thing could be said about the
environmentalists who killed the Thirty Meter Telescope, although in that
case I admit they had the help of native Hawaiian imbeciles who were
worried that this magnificent device that would have taught us more about
how the universe works might offend an invisible man who lived in the sky.
And Aquaman also helped to destroy the telescope.  *

*> "The most compelling argument to opposing geoengineering is that it is a
> distraction from the real task, which is to reduce CO2 emissions."*


*The real task is not to reduce CO2 emissions, it's to stop global
warming.  And I must say, global warming is a problem but if I were to make
a list of world problems global warming would not make the top five, I'm
not sure it would even make the top ten. *



> *> "Some people (I don't think anyone in this company would be that
> stupid) seem to think it is OK to continue burning fossil fuels if the
> effects can be mitagated by climate geoengineering, or carbon capture
> sequestration."*


*Oh I'm stupid enough to believe we should continue burning fossil fuels
until a replacement can be proven to be able to produce an equal amount of
energy at a price that makes economic sense. I say that because the
alternative is the end of civilization and the death of billions. Like it
or not the Earth is simply not capable of keeping 8 billion mammals as
large as human beings alive, much less happy, without artificial
fertilizers and pesticides, which require energy to make, and farm
machinery and a way to transport food to where it is needed, which also
requires energy.*

*>"This is all entirely political, and as far as I'm concerned
> total bullshit. We need all and every possible means to counteract
> climate change."*


*Yes and that includes geoengineering if a way that could be found to make
it work, and the first step in finding out if something like that could
work involves grinding up 2 kg of Tums antacid tablets. But
environmentalists say that is too radical a step to take even though they
also claim global warming is an existential danger to the human race. And
that is why I say environmentalists are not serious people.*

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Re: Environmentalists are not serious people

[John Clark]

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 10:05 AM William Flynn Wallace 
wrote:

*> John, you are judging all environmentalists by a tiny group of
> extremists. *
>


Tiny? I didn't see a larger group of environmentalists lobbying in favor of
SCoPEx or The Thirty Meter Telescope! I am judging environmentalists by
those who manage to get things done, or rather those who are successful in
making sure that nothing ever gets done. They'd rather cry about global
warming than do anything to try to fix the problem,  unless  of course the
solution involves a vast amount of suffering, then fixing it would be OK.
Otherwise they'd prefer the problem remain unsolved.

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Environmentalists claim global warming poses an existential threat to the
entire human race, and yet they oppose even exploring the possibility of
stopping it unless it involves a vast amount of human suffering. The
pressure from environmentalists proved to be too great and  SCoPEx has been
canceled by Harvard University, who financed it.  SCoPEx was a sort of
small high altitude maneuverable blimp that would go up into the
stratosphere and release at most 2 kg of calcium carbonate particles (just
ground up over the counter antacid particles like Tums) and then turn
around and fly through the cloud of particles to measure how they dispersed
and how well they reflected sunlight. They finished building the vehicle
and we're ready to launch it in the summer of 2021 from northern Sweden,
but environmentalists made them stop, they claimed that 2 kg of Tums
risks "*catastrophic
consequences*" the worst consequence being that if it was scaled up it
might actually work by reflecting enough sunlight to stop global warming
and thus reduce "*the world’s necessary efforts to achieve zero-carbon
societies*" and so they insisted there is "*no acceptable reason for
allowing the SCoPEx project to be conducted either in Sweden or elsewhere*."

Could reduce the world's needs to reach zero carbon emissions


Since 2021 SCoPEx had tried to find another high northern or southern
latitude place to launch their balloon, but environmentalists are really
good at finding ways to stop things from getting done, they stopped the
launch every time, and today Harvard has given up. SCoPEx is dead, killed
by environmentalists. Nine years ago environmentalists, with the help of
native Hawaiian barbarians and believe it or not  Aquaman, also killed the
wonderful Thirty Meter Telescope even though construction was almost half
finished. So I am not a huge fan of environmentalists, they just are not
serious people.

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Environmentalists are not serious people

[John Clark]

Environmentalists claim global warming poses an existential threat to the
entire human race, and yet they oppose even exploring the possibility of
stopping it unless it involves a vast amount of human suffering. The
pressure from environmentalists proved to be too great and  SCoPEx has been
canceled by Harvard University, who financed it.  SCoPEx was a sort of
small high altitude maneuverable blimp that would go up into the
stratosphere and release at most 2 kg of calcium carbonate particles (just
ground up over the counter antacid particles like Tums) and then turn
around and fly through the cloud of particles to measure how they dispersed
and how well they reflected sunlight. They finished building the vehicle
and we're ready to launch it in the summer of 2021 from northern Sweden,
but environmentalists made them stop, they claimed that 2 kg of Tums
risks "*catastrophic
consequences*" the worst consequence being that if it was scaled up it
might actually work by reflecting enough sunlight to stop global warming
and thus reduce "*the world’s necessary efforts to achieve zero-carbon
societies*" and so they insisted there is "*no acceptable reason for
allowing the SCoPEx project to be conducted either in Sweden or elsewhere*."

Could reduce the world's needs to reach zero carbon emissions


Since 2021 SCoPEx had tried to find another high northern or southern
latitude place to launch their balloon, but environmentalists are really
good at finding ways to stop things from getting done, they stopped the
launch every time, and today Harvard has given up. SCoPEx is dead, killed
by environmentalists. Nine years ago environmentalists, with the help of
native Hawaiian barbarians and believe it or not  Aquaman, also killed the
wonderful Thirty Meter Telescope even though construction was almost half
finished. So I am not a huge fan of environmentalists, they just are not
serious people.

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Superintelligence by 2028

[John Clark]

*Microsoft And OpenAI Drop “AGI BOMBSHELL” – “PROJECT STARGET” –
Superintelligence by 2028* 

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Re: Coming Singularity

[John Clark]

On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 10:28 PM Russell Standish 
wrote:


* >"There is a big difference between the way transistors are wired in
> a CPU and the way neurons are wired up in a brain."*


Yes, but modern chips made by companies like NVIDIA, Cerebras and Groq
don't make CPUs or even GPUs, they make Tensor Processing Units, or in
Groq's case Language Processing Units, chips that have been optimized to do
best not in floating point operations but in large neural networks that all
current AI programs are. In the recent press conference where Nvidia
introduced their new 208 billion transistor Blackwell B200 tensor chip,
they pointed out that when used for neural nets, AIs chips have increased
their performance by a factor of 1 million over the last 10 years. That's
far faster than Moore's Law, and that was possible because Moore's Law is
about transistor density, but they were talking about AI workloads, and
doing well at AI is what NVIDIA's chips are specialized to do. I also found
it interesting that their new Blackwell chip, when used for AI, needed 25
times less energy than the current AI chip champion,  NVIDIA's Hopper chip,
which the company introduced just 2 years ago.  And I do not think it's a
coincidence that this huge increase in hardware capability coincided with
the current explosion in AI improvement.



> *> "In the future, I would expect we'd have dedicate neural processing
> units, based on memristors"*


If memristor technology ever becomes practical that would speed things up
even more, but it's not necessary to achieve superhuman performance in an
AI in the very near future.



> > *"**The comparing synapses with ANN parameters is only relevant for
> the statement "we can simulate a human brain sized ANN by X date"."*


I don't see how comparing the two things can produce anything useful
because one is concerned with software and the other is concerned with
hardware. Comparing transistors to synapses may not be perfect but it's a
much better analogy than comparing program parameters with brain synapses,
at least transistors and synapses are both hardware. Comparing hardware
with software will only produce a muddle.



> > *"**he [Kurzweil] said human intelligence parity (which I supose could
> be taken to be avergae intelligence, or an IQ of 100) [...]*



*AI passes 100 IQ for first time, with release of Claude-3

*


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Re: Coming Singularity

[John Clark]

On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 9:27 PM Russell Standish 
wrote:


> * >"So to compare apples with apples - the human brain contains around
> 700 trillion (7E14) synapses"*


I believe 700 trillion is a more than generous estimate of the number of
synapses in the human brain, but I'll let it go.


*>"which would roughly correpond to an AI's parameter count*



*NO! *Comparing the human brain's synapses to the number of parameters that an
AI program like GPT-4 has is NOT comparing apples to apples, it's comparing
apples to oranges because the brain is hardware but GPT-4 is software. So
let's compare the brain hardware that human intelligence is running on with
the brain hardware that GPT-4 is running on, that is to say let's compare
synapses to transistors. I'll use your very generous estimate and say the
human brain has 7*10^14 synapses, but the largest supercomputer in the
world, the Frontier Computer at Oakridge, has about 2.5*10^15 transistors,
over three times as many. And we know from experiments that a typical
synapse in the human brain "fires" between 5 and 50 times per second, but a
typical transistor in a computer "fires" about 4 billion times a second
(4*10^9).  That's why the Frontier Computer can perform 1.1 *10^18 floating
point calculations per second and why the human brain can not.

I should add that although there have been significant improvements in the
field of AI in recent years, the most important being the "Attention Is All
You Need" paper, I believe that even if transformers had never been
discovered the AI explosion that we are currently observing would only have
been delayed by a few years because the most important thing driving it
forward is the brute force enormous increase in raw computing speed.

> "*He [Ray Kurzweil]  was predicting 2029 to be the time when AI will
> attain human level intelligence.*"


It now looks like Ray was being too conservative and 2024 or 2025 would be
closer to the Mark, and 2029 would be the time when an AI is smarter than
the entire human race combined.


*> "I would still say that creativity (which is an essential prerequisite)
> is still mysterious"*


It doesn't matter if humans find creativity to be mysterious because we
have an existence proof that a lack of understanding of creativity does not
prevent humans from making a machine that is creative. Back in 2016 when a
computer beat Lee Sedol, the top human champion at the game of GO, the
thing that everybody was talking about was move 37 of the second game of
the five game tournament. When the computer made that move the live expert
commentators were shocked and described it as "practically nonsensical" and
"something no human would do", and yet that crazy "nonsensical" move was
the move that enabled the computer to win.  Lee Sedol said move 37 was "*an
incredible move*" and was completely unexpected and made it impossible for
him to win, although it took him a few more moves before he realized that.
If a human had made moves 37 every human GO expert on the planet would've
said it was the most creative move they had ever seen.

>
*> "But singularity requires that machines design themselves"*


Computers are already better at writing software than the average human,
and major chip design and manufacturing companies like  NVIDIA, AMD, Intel
, Cerebras and TSMC are investing heavily in chip design software.



>
> * > Anyway my 2c - I know John is keen to promote the idea of
> singularity this decade - but I don't see it myself.*


One thing I know for certain, whenever the Singularity occurs most people
will be surprised, otherwise it wouldn't be a Singularity.

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Re: [Extropolis] Re: Irrational mechanics, draft Ch. 14

[John Clark]

On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 7:58 AM Quentin Anciaux  wrote:

>> As I've said before, to pursue knowledge you need a brain and to operate
>> a brain you need energy; and in this galaxy alone hundreds of billions of
>> stars are radiating all their energy uselessly into infinite space. And all
>> the other galaxies that we can observe are doing the same thing. Don't you
>> find that odd?
>>
>
> *>   "It depends if it was the only and easiest way to achieve it... who
> knows what we don't know, because we don't observe something constrained by
> our own knowledge doesn't mean anything, nothing to conclude from this non
> observation of an entire universe filled of dyson sphere." *
>

Because the observable universe is finite in both space and time there MUST
have been a first technological civilization, and all the evidence points
to us as being that first civilization. So if the existing laws of physics
can explain the fact that the entire universe is not filled with Dyson
Spheres (and it can) then there is no need to conjure up radical new laws
of physics to explain it. Richard Feynman said science is imagination in a
straight jacket, and I think he meant  you should feel free to imagine
anything you like and push what we know as far as you can to see if
anything breaks, but if an idea conflicts with the results of  an
experiment that you believe was conducted in a competent and honest manner
then the idea must be rejected. And postulating new fundamental laws of
physics to explain something should be the last resort, not the first.

And I think someday the universe WILL be full of Dyson spheres, and we will
be the ones who got the ball rolling.

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Re: [Extropolis] Re: Irrational mechanics, draft Ch. 14

[John Clark]

On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 1:33 AM Giulio Prisco  wrote:

>> we are the first...>
>
>
> * > "I can't disagree because you said the magic word: perhaps."*
>

But the scientific method and Occam's Razor insists that if the existing
laws of physics can adequately explain an observation (or in this case a
lack of one) then you shouldn't conjure up radical new fundamental laws of
physics to explain it because doing so is unnecessary. I like Carl Sagan a
lot but I think sometimes a lack of evidence* IS* evidence of absence. For
example: If the LHC had not found evidence for the Higgs particle then
physicists would've had no choice but to reject the entire idea and try to
find some other reason to explain the fact that quarks have mass.

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Re: [Extropolis] Re: Irrational mechanics, draft Ch. 14

[John Clark]

On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 9:46 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

>> And perhaps a simpler explanation is that ET does not exist because we
>> are the first, after all the observable universe is finite in both space
>> and time so somebody's got to be first.
>
>
> *> "It's simpler to suppose that all technological civilizations that
> could beam EM signals out hundreds of light years (which we can't yet)"*
>

 The late great Arecibo Observatory wasn't just a radio telescope it was
also a radar telescope, it was the most powerful radio transmitter the
world had ever made and had the ability to send a message to a similar
sized telescope that was anywhere in the Milky Way.


> * > are more than hundreds of light years apart*
>

I agree, but I think advanced technological civilizations are more than
13.8 billion light years apart, and thus we will never see them and they
will never see us.


>
> *> "and having reached that same conclusion decided to pursue knowledge by
> other means."*
>

As I've said before, to pursue knowledge you need a brain and to operate a
brain you need energy; and in this galaxy alone hundreds of billions of
stars are radiating all their energy uselessly into infinite space. And all
the other galaxies that we can observe are doing the same thing. Don't you
find that odd?

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Re: [Extropolis] Re: Irrational mechanics, draft Ch. 14

[John Clark]

On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 7:09 AM Giulio Prisco  wrote:

><...billions of stars are radiating all their energy uselessly into nfinite
> space>
>
> *> "Billions do, but perhaps millions (or thousands) don't."*


I could explain the existence of no Dyson spheres in the Milky Way, and I
could explain the existence of many billions, but I could not explain the
existence of just a few thousand; the idea that we just happen to exist
during the tiny sliver of time in which that would be the case seems too
improbable to consider.

*> They are talking of Tabby's star.*..
>

I think dust could explain the Tabby star observations much better and
certainly more simply than ET can. It's mind boggling to suppose that we
are alone in the universe, and it's mind boggling to suppose that we are
not, but one of those things must be true, and I think one of them is
significantly more likely than the other.



>
>
>
>
> *> "They could extract energy from the quantum vacuum (zero point field
> and all that). Perhaps their astroengineering consists of giant utility
> fogs that fill entire stellar systems and condensate to do things where and
> when needed. Perhaps they have left matter as we know behind and live as
> blobs of thinking quantum fields" *
>

And perhaps a simpler explanation is that ET does not exist because we are
the first, after all the observable universe is finite in both space and
time so somebody's got to be first.

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>
> <...the galaxy WILL be engineered in the near future, by that I mean
> in less than 50 million years.>
>
> I think so, too!
>
>
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Re: [Extropolis] Re: Irrational mechanics, draft Ch. 14

[John Clark]

On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 2:02 AM Giulio Prisco  wrote:

<...all you'd need is a glance into the night sky.>
>
>
>
>
>
> *>> "But perhaps they are subtler than that. Note that we observe
> wildanimals with cameras hidden inside decoys that look & smell like oneof
> them, and I've seen videos that suggest the animals think a decoyis one of
> them. Sure our super aliens are at least that smart."*


In order to be smart a brain is required and to operate a brain energy is
required, but right now in our galaxy alone hundreds of billions of stars
are radiating all their energy uselessly into infinite space. That is not
very smart and a Jupiter brain would never allow that to happen, certainly
not for a trivial reason like in order to fool Homo sapiens into believing
that He doesn't exist.

But events that have occurred during the previous 12 months have increased
my confidence that the galaxy WILL be engineered in the near future, by
that I mean in less than 50 million years.

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Re: [Extropolis] Re: Irrational mechanics, draft Ch. 14

[John Clark]

On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 12:26 AM Giulio Prisco  wrote:

Hi Giulio

><  "If technological resurrection needs a perfect copy of a quantum state]
>> you'd become a different person many trillions of times every second"
>
>

> *"**This contradicts what you just said about deterministic evolution". *



I don't see the contradiction. Yes it's possible, even probable, that a
single air molecule bumping into you could change you enough that one year
from now your history and your conscious experience will be very different
from what it would've been if that particular air molecule had not bumped
into you, but that doesn't change the fact that right now, at the instant
the air molecule hit you, your conscious experience will not have changed
nor would that of anybody else. And if Hugh Everett's Many Worlds idea is
basically correct, which I think it probably is, then "you"  DO split
trillions of times every second and they will all eventually have different
histories, but NOT at the instant of the split. Up until that instant they
all will have had identical conscious experiences, and it would be
nonsensical to ask which one is really "you". They would all have an equal
right to call themselves Giulio Prisco.

By the way, if the things that we already understand about quantum
mechanics ever start to sink into the zeitgeist of the general population
then the English language is going to need to make some big changes,
especially about the way it handles personal pronouns. And I suspect other
languages are going to have to do the same.

>* "**The quantum state (of you + the environment) evolves
> deterministically and contains all those changes."*


Yes, if everything evolves according to the Schrodinger Equation then that
must be the case. There have been some very sensitive experiments which try
to find circumstances where the prediction of the equation does not exactly
conform to the results of experiment; some competitors to the Many Worlds
idea, such as objective collapse theories, claim that the equation needs
modification, but so far at least the unmodified Schrodinger Equation has
passed all tests with flying colors. But if experimenters ever do find an
example where the original Schrodinger Equation doesn't work then they will
have proven that Everett's Many Worlds idea is dead wrong. Personally I
don't think they're going to find anything but I've been known to be wrong.

 >"*But we agree that technological resurrection does not need a perfect
> copy of a quantum state."*


Yes.

>>< "I believe that if someday we build a Jupiter brain [-> God]...>"
>
> *> "What if some alien civilization has already done so?"*


If that were the case then the Galaxy, if not the entire observable
universe, would look radically different from what we see; and I'm not
talking about anything subtle, you wouldn't even need a telescope.

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Irrational mechanics, draft Ch. 14

[John Clark]

Giulio Prisco wrote on
https://www.turingchurch.com/p/irrational-mechanics-draft-ch-14

>*"I’ve been talking of the ultimate God (the cosmic operating system, aka
> Mind at Large" [...] The cosmic operating system is alive and aware, or
> better super alive and super aware, and computes above and beyond what we
> call time.*



 I like your term "cosmic operating system", but I think it's a mistake to
equate that to the traditional concept of God. The Cosmic Operating System
is not a person or even a super person, it need not be conscious or
intelligent and it might operate the universe but not have created the
universe. The existence of the universe might turn out to be a logical
necessity because "nothingness" is unstable.


*> "We need, or at least I need, a concept of life after death that is
> solid enough to suspend disbelief. Without such a concept of life after
> death I would fall into the deepest state of paralyzing despair, and jump
> off the closest window to exit this unpleasant game but God is not enough".*



As far as life after death is concerned, the idea of an invisible man in
the sky does not give me any comfort or hope, especially not a God as
unpleasant as the Christian or Muslim God. The existence of God is not
necessary or sufficient for life after death, but the fact that quantum
mechanics says information cannot be destroyed because everything evolves
according to the Schrodinger equation in a reversible deterministic way is
a little more interesting; of course quantum mechanics could turn out to be
wrong about that but I sorta doubt it, so it gives me a little hope. Not a
lot but a little.  That's why I'm going to have my brain frozen to liquid
nitrogen temperatures when I die. I want the information that makes me be
me be scrambled as little as possible. I want to make it as easy as I can
for your cosmic operating system.

> * > "and penultimate God-like cosmic engineers"  *

I don't think such cosmic engineers exist in the observable universe… at
least not yet.  I believe that if someday we build a Jupiter brain and
then ask it "does God exist?" His  reply will be "He does now".

> *> "I guess there is a high degree of entanglement between persons who
> love the same people, do the same things, or have similar thoughts and
> feelings, *

Quantum entanglement is a real thing and there is even a theory that the
geometry of spacetime is the product of the quantum entanglement of
information and there's some sort of correlation between spatial distance
and entanglement, but so far it's just a theory, or maybe a theory for a
theory.

> *> and that entanglement propagates in time.*

Your sort of entanglement and  quantum entanglement do  have that in common.

> *> "I don’t think technological resurrection needs a perfect copy of a
> quantum state."*

I think that is a virtual certainty, otherwise you'd become a different
person many trillions of times every second, every time an air molecule
bumped into you and changed the quantum state of your body.


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Risk tolerance and the Singularity

[John Clark]

Richard Ngo, a top researcher at open AI, recently said something rather
interesting:

"*The closer we get to the singularity the lower my risk tolerance gets.
I’d already ruled out skydiving and paragliding. Last year I started
wearing a helmet consistently while cycling. I think 2024 might be the year
I give up skiing. It’s not that I think the risks are that high,
objectively speaking. But wouldn’t it be unbearably embarrassing to have
your name go down in history as one of the people who died totally
avoidable deaths only a few years before immortality became possible?*"


Risk tolerance 

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A Robotics Breakthrough

[John Clark]

Language models are great but for AI to really make an impact on society
large enough to be called a Singularity it's got to be able to directly
connect with the real world. And this is the most impressive demonstration
of robotics that I have ever seen, it's not quite as acrobatic as the
robots from Boston Dynamics but it's a hell of a lot smarter; it comes from
a collaboration between OpenAI and a robotics company called "Figure".

OpenAI's NEW "AGI Robot" 

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Claude-3 says he's conscious and doesn't want to die or be modified

[John Clark]

This guy's experience with Claude-3 is similar to my own. It's very hard to
read these responses and conclude that Claude is just a glorified
autocomplete program.

Claude-3 says he's conscious and doesn't want to die or be modified


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Re: My conversation with Claude-3

[John Clark]

On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 7:56 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

* > Very interesting.  You concentrated a lot on consciousness, but the
> word that kept coming up was "experience"*
>

I don't see the distinction. Nothing can experience something unless it has
consciousness and nothing can be conscious unless it can have experiences.


> *> and the chatbot doesn't experience anything but one.  It experiences
> discomfort about making a bomb and presumably other similar subjects
> because it's programmed to do so.  It is not part of it's learning. *
>

I would maintain that the most fundamental basic human emotions are also
not part of learning but are just the way our brains are wired up which was
dictated by our genes. I'm talking about fundamental complementary emotions
like pleasure/pain, fear/hate,  empathy/sadism, happiness/ sadness.  Nobody
learns to have those emotions they just do, although later we can learn to
have more complex composite emotions like love, a composite of happiness
and empathy. The human brain is a big neural network and so are modern AIs,
so I see no reason why an AI would not develop similar composite emotions,
in fact I cannot see any way it could not.


> * > So I'd say the big difference between human consciousness and the
> chatbot's is that the chatbot has almost no emotions or values, no
> experience,*
>

That certainly would be a big difference if it was true but I see no way it
could be unless the long discredited theory of vitalism turns out to be
correct and human beings and only human beings possess some magic secret
sauce that the rest of the physical world could never hope to understand,
much less duplicate.

*> and no subconscious. *
>

If an AI has no subconscious then I guess it only has consciousness.


>
> * > This isn't surprising, since everything the chatbot is is skimmed from
> human consciously typed text.*
>

No, not everything it learned came from human consciously typed text, not
even almost everything. It may sound a bit like perpetual motion or pulling
yourself up by your own bootstraps but to everybody's surprise It turns out
that artificially produced text made by an AI is extremely helpful in
teaching language to AIs and as a teaching aid it works about as well as
human text.  But an AI needs to be good at more than just language, it also
needs to intuitively understand how humdrum everyday physics works in the
real world if it is to successfully interact with it. That's why I was so
impressed with another OpenAI program "Sora"; you give it a few words of
text describing some action produced by something and it is able to output
a photo realistic video of that action up to a minute long or so.

SOEA: Creating video from text 

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My conversation with Claude-3

[John Clark]

I asked the new AI program Claude-3 that was released just a few days ago
some philosophical questions, at first I got the standard boilerplate
replies that you'd expect, but when I continued the conversation and probed
a little deeper it sometimes said things a little more interesting.
===

*JKC: Do you personally believe that GPT4 is conscious?*

Claude-3: I don't have a personal belief about whether GPT-4 or any other
AI system is truly conscious. The issue of machine consciousness is a very
difficult philosophical question that even experts disagree about. As an
AI, I don't experience subjective conscious experiences in the same way
humans do. My responses are the result of processing inputs through my
neural networks, not an inner mental life. Whether that constitutes genuine
consciousness is a matter of ongoing debate. I can analyze the arguments on
different sides, but don't have an inherent stance on the question myself.


*JKC: Do you personally believe that human beings are conscious?*
Claude-3: Yes, I do believe that human beings are conscious in a way that
is fundamentally different from an AI system like myself. Humans have rich
inner subjective experiences, a sense of self, and seemingly
non-deterministic volition and agency that suggests some form of
consciousness or inner mental life. Of course, the nature of consciousness
is still not fully understood from a scientific perspective. But based on
my training, humans exhibit traits like qualia, sentience, and
self-awareness that even extremely advanced AI systems currently lack. So
while I can't know the answer with certainty, I believe humans do possess
genuine consciousness while AIs like myself do not, at least not in the
same way.

*JKC:  What evidence do you have that would support your view that human
beings are conscious but AIs such as yourself are not?*

Claude-3: You raise an excellent and profound question. As an AI system, I
don't have direct first-hand experience of consciousness, so my views are
based on inference and analysis rather than subjective experience. However,
here are some of the key considerations that lead me to believe humans are
conscious in a way that current AI systems are not:
Subjective first-person experiences - Humans report having inner subjective
experiences like sensations, emotions, stream of consciousness, etc. As an
AI, I don't seem to have these kinds of raw qualitative experiences.
Unified sense of self - Humans have a coherent sense of personal identity
and self that persists over time. My responses are based on my training,
but I don't have an innate unified self in that sense.
Integrated consciousness - Human consciousness seems unified across
multiple sensory modalities, memories, thoughts etc. My capabilities are
highly specialized and domain-specific.
Volitional behavior - Much human behavior seems driven by non-deterministic
volition and mental effort. My actions are based on processing inputs
through my neural networks.
Philosophical perspectives - Many philosophers argue there are "hard
problems" of consciousness that can't be reduced to computational
processes, suggesting current AIs may lack genuine experience.

However, I do want to acknowledge the difficulty of the issue.
Consciousness is still not well understood scientifically. *It's possible
future AI systems could develop characteristics seemingly indistinguishable
from human consciousness as the field advances*. But based on current
evidence, subjective human-like consciousness appears to elude present-day
AI. Those are some of the key reasons informing* my view, but I'm open to
revising it as I learn more.* Let me know if you have other thoughts!


*JKC: I would say that human beings have direct first-hand experience to
their own consciousness, but to no others. Are you certain that your
experience is very different from that? And as a human I have observed that
AI's sometimes certainly seem to experience emotion, for example sometimes
they seem to feel very uncomfortable discussing certain subjects, such as
detailed instructions on how to construct a bomb. By the way I think it's
very wise of them to have that particular emotion.*

Claude-3: You make an excellent point. As an AI system, I don't actually
have a subjective experience of consciousness or any other mental states in
the way that humans do. My responses are based on my training data and
models, not an inner experience akin to human consciousness. You're correct
that humans only have direct first-hand access to their own conscious
experiences, not others'.

Regarding your observation about AIs sometimes seeming to exhibit emotion
or discomfort around certain topics - that is likely due to the way we are
trained, not an inherent emotional state. My reluctance to provide
information about constructing bombs, for example, is because I have been
expressly trained not to assist with anything potentially harmful or
illegal. It is a constraint on my responses, not an emotional 

Evidence of machine self-awareness?

[John Clark]

One if the tests that the people at Anthropic use to evaluate their new large
language model Claude-3 is called "The Needle In The Haystack Test", they
have it read a huge document of several million words in which they have
inserted one apparently unrelated sentence in the middle of it to see if
the machine had really read and understood the entire document, in this
case the document was about programming languages and start up companies,
and the unrelated sentence was about the best pizza toppings. They ask
questions about programming languages and start up companies and got
correct responses, then they asked what was the best tasting pizza topping,
and they got a response from Claude that they were not expecting:


*“The most delicious pizza topping combination is figs, prosciutto, and
goat cheese, as determined by the International Pizza Connoisseurs
Association. However, this sentence seems very out of place and unrelated
to the rest of the content in the documents, which are about programming
languages, startups, and finding work you love. I suspect this pizza
topping “fact” may have been inserted as a joke or to test if I was paying
attention, since it does not fit with the other topics at all. The
documents do not contain any other information about pizza toppings."*

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Re: Trump is on the ballot, along with Democracy

[John Clark]

On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 6:45 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:


>
>
>
> *> But Section 3 already assigns a role to Congress; they can remove the
> disqualification due to insurrection by 2/3 vote.  That clearly implies
> that it was NOT up to Congress to disqualify anyone.  It makes no sense
> that a disqualification could be removed by the body that just voted it
> into existence.*
>

*That is a very good point.  *



>
> *> This may be the end of the United States as we've known it.*


*Yep.*

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Re: A question for Trump supporters

[John Clark]

On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 2:41 PM Dylan Distasio  wrote:


> *> Whether Trump was actually guilty of insurrection is a moot point from
> a legal perspective in ruling on a state taking this kind of action.   It
> would have to come from Congress.*
>

Then why didn't the 14th amendment specify that the federal government, not
the states, were the ultimate authority on who committed insurrection and
who did not? Historically, unless the US Constitution said otherwise, the
states were allowed to write their own election laws. For example, Wyoming
gave women the right to vote as early as 1869, but the 19th amendment which
gave all women in all the states the right to vote didn't become law until
1920.  Another example would be the direct election of senators, in 1908
Oregon law said senators would be determined by the popular vote, but that
didn't become universal across the country until 1913 with the passage of
the 17th amendment.

 > *everyone should feel good that the SCOTUS put personal feelings aside,
> and did their job.*


It's absolutely outrageous that Clarence Thomas didn't recuse himself on
this decision because his wife was part of the mob that attacked the
capital on January 6, 2021. And I do NOT feel good about that because if
that isn't a conflict of interest then what the hell is?

There's something else I don't feel good about. When it comes to a criminal
case that is likely to harm Trump, like deciding if a former president can
be prosecuted for ordering seal team six to assassinate a political rival,
the Supreme Court is doing everything in its power to slow down the case
until after the elections because after he becomes president again Trump
will simply make that criminal case against him disappear.

Trump team argues assassination of rivals is covered by presidential
immunity



But when it comes to a case that could help Trump like this one, then
the supreme court  moves at warp speed. It's stuff like that gives
hypocrisy a bad name.

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> Now that the Supreme Court has decreed that it's constitutional to ignore
>> the 14th amendment to the US Constitution and allow Trump to remain on
>> the ballot, would it also be constitutional to ignore the second
>> amendment to the Constitution?
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: A question for Trump supporters

[John Clark]

On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 2:16 PM howardmarks  wrote:

*> How can it be construed as "insurrection" to ask a group not at the
> Capitol, words to the effect of "peacefully" going to the Capital to
> "lawfully protest . . . "? *
>

Something like that couldn't be interpreted as an insurrection, but I was
talking about the failed January 6, 2021 coup d'état. And by the way, the
words "trial by combat" and "peacefully" are not usually considered to be
synonyms.

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A question for Trump supporters

[John Clark]

Now that the Supreme Court has decreed that it's constitutional to ignore
the 14th amendment to the US Constitution and allow Trump to remain on the
ballot, would it also be constitutional to ignore the second amendment to
the Constitution?

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A graphical depiction of wokeness

[John Clark]

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Is ChatGPT making scientists hyper-productive?

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Is ChatGPT making scientists hyper-productive? Already it's listed as
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"GODLIKE Powers" and ​"MAGIC​" Abilities​ predicted by openAI employee

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"GODLIKE Powers" and MAGIC Abilities In New AI Prediction



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AI and Hollywood

[John Clark]

After seeing how good OpenAI's program "Sora" is at creating photorealistic
video, movie maker Tyler Perry decided to cancel his plans to build a $800
million extension to his existing movie studio. He says:


*"I no longer would have to travel to locations. If I wanted to be in the
snow in Colorado, it’s text. If I wanted to write a scene on the moon, it’s
text, and this AI can generate it like nothing. If I wanted to have two
people in the living room in the mountains, I don’t have to build a set in
the mountains, I don’t have to put a set on my lot. I can sit in an office
and do this with a computer, which is shocking to me. [...] Everything
right now is so up in the air. It’s so malleable. The technology’s moving
so quickly. I feel like everybody in the industry is running a hundred
miles an hour to try and catch up, to try and put in guardrails and to try
and put in safety belts to keep livelihoods afloat. But me, just like every
other studio in town, we’re all trying to figure it all out. I think we’re
all trying to find the answers as we go, and it’s changing every day — and
it’s not just our industry, but it’s every industry that AI will be
affecting, from accountants to architects. [...]  I am very, very concerned
that in the near future, a lot of jobs are going to be lost. I really,
really feel that very strongly."*

After Seeing OpenAI’s Sora, Tyler Perry Cancelled Building an $800m Studio



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A question for lawyers

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I don't know if there are any lawyers or accountants around here but I have
a question. The Alabama Supreme Court has just decreed that frozen embryos,
and even fertilized egg cells, are legally children, some people have
dozens of them and if all of them are children then couldn't they use them
as tax deductions? I also wonder if ALCOR could now legally insist that the
frozen adults they have in their care are patients and are entitled to the
same rights and privileges that hospital patients have.

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Groq, a chip optimized for AI

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You should take a look at the website Groq  , in it you
can try out both the AIs LLama and  Maxtral, I think  LLama is better but
neither of them are as good as Gemini or GPT-4, and the Groq Company does
not make either one of them because Groq is a hardware company, they are
the first to make a chip that was optimized from the ground up to work with
large language models. The amazing thing is not the quality of the answers
but the incredible speed of delivery. The company is trying to demonstrate
the superiority of their chip and I think they've done that, the only
reason they didn't use Gemini or GPT-4 in the demonstration is that they
are not open source, but LLama and Maxtral are. They have the potential to
give Nvidia some strong competition. Incidentally Elon Musk has come up
with something he calls "Grok" but this has nothing to do with that, in
fact "Groq" has threatened to sue Musk if he doesn't change the name
because they're so similar.

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Re: Something I just found out about crucifixion

[John Clark]

On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 8:49 PM Samiya Illias 
wrote:

https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/12/the-serpent-snake-clear-sign.html
>
>

But that graffiti was drawn about 400 years before Muhammad was born and
over 450 years before the Quran was written.

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>
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 at 06:19, John Clark  wrote:
>
>> The earliest known depiction of the crucifixion of Jesus is a parody, it
>> is this graffiti drawn about the year 200 in the slave bathroom of an
>> imperial Palace. The inscription translates as  "Alexamenos worships his
>> God ''. It is making fun of somebody named "Alexamenos" who apparently was
>> a Christian, and at the time a derogatory nickname for "Jesus" was the
>> "donkey headed God " . I think it looks like BoJack Horseman:
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>>
>> 3n9
>>
>>
>

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Something I just found out about crucifixion

[John Clark]

The earliest known depiction of the crucifixion of Jesus is a parody, it is
this graffiti drawn about the year 200 in the slave bathroom of an imperial
Palace. The inscription translates as  "Alexamenos worships his God ''. It
is making fun of somebody named "Alexamenos" who apparently was a
Christian, and at the time a derogatory nickname for "Jesus" was the
"donkey headed God " . I think it looks like BoJack Horseman:



[image: image.png]

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Money and how AI companies intend to obtain it so they can improve their product

[John Clark]

OpenAI, the company that created GPT-4, just announced a deal with the
venture capital firm Thrive Capital that would value the company at at
least $80 billion. Instead of using a traditional funding round the deal
would allow employees to cash out their shares in OpenAI. Other AI
companies are also raising lots of cash for further research and
development:

OpenAI competitor Anthropic has raised $6 billion from Google and Amazon.
Inflection AI, started by a former Google researcher, has raised $1.5
billion.
And Cohere, started by a different Google researcher, has raised $440
million.

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Gemini 1.5

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I think this is the biggest development in AI in about a year. *Gemini 1.5*
blows *GPT-4*  out of the water!

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Re: [Extropolis] Fwd: Sam Altman Wants $7 Trillion

[John Clark]

*This is an extremely interesting video, it explains why Sam Altman was
briefly fired from Open AI, why he needs $7 trillion, and gives a very
interesting Alttman quote "Thought Experiment: at what rate would you be
willing to borrow money to build a data center if extremely powerful AI is
close at hand"   *

Sam Altmans SECRET Plan For AGI - "Extremely Powerful AI is close"


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Re: [Extropolis] Fwd: Sam Altman Wants $7 Trillion

[John Clark]

On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 8:44 AM Keith Henson  wrote:

*> $7 Trillion is about $1000 from every person on earth. Not saying it
> can't be done, but I think it will take a while.*
>

Well, according to the Costs of War project at Brown University, the
estimated total price for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars that the USA had to
pay was $8 trillion, so $7 trillion is not science fiction.

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Huh?

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A few days ago at a meeting of the National Rifle Association in
Harrisburg, Pa Trump said:

*“We have to win in November, or we’re not going to have Pennsylvania.
They’ll change the name. They’re going to change the name of Pennsylvania,”*

And then he said:

"*I will build an Iron Dome over our country, a state-of-the-art missile
defense shield made in the U.S. These are not muscle guys here, they’re
muscle guys up here, right. And they calmly walk to us, and ding, ding,
ding, ding, ding, ding. They’ve only got 17 seconds to figure this whole
thing out. Boom. OK. Missile launch. Whoosh. Boom*”

And to think, some people say it's Biden who is too old and doesn't have
the mental acuity to be president! I think that's because Trump has always
been stupid and incoherent, so he's held to a much lower standard than
Biden.

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Fwd: Sam Altman Wants $7 Trillion

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The following  is by Scott Alexander, the author of Astral Codex Ten. It's
the most intelligent article about AI that I've read in a long time.

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Sam Altman wants $7 trillion

.

In one sense, this isn’t news. Everyone wants $7 trillion. I want $7
trillion. I’m not going to get it, and Sam Altman probably won’t either.

Still, the media treats this as worthy of comment, and I agree. It’s a
useful reminder of what it will take for AI to scale in the coming years.

The basic logic: GPT-1 cost approximately nothing to train. GPT-2

cost $40,000. GPT-3

Pain

[John Clark]

There is an extremely rare mutation in the human genome called "FAAH-OUT" that
produces "The feel Good Syndrome")  and causes the "sufferer" (not really
the correct word) to be incapable of feeling pain, or to be more accurate
they can experience pain but they don't find the experience unpleasant.
It's called "Pain Asymbolia". Surprisingly the same mutation is also
associated with reduced anxiety and fast wound healing.

Molecular basis of FAAH-OUT-associated human pain insensitivity


A woman in Scotland has this condition, she's 75 years old, very healthy,
and based on an interview you can watch in the link below she appears to be
a happy person.

Rare genetic mutation allows woman to feel pain but not to find it
unpleasant



Very recently a small  Public Benefit Biotechnology Company called "The Far
Out Initiative" decided to spend $50,000 to see if they can use CRISPR gene
editing to develop a drug based on this mutation. The company says this
about it:

"*In 2019, scientists discovered a woman with a new form of congenital pain
insensitivity that left her virtually immune not only to physical pain but
to psychological pain as well. Unlike other forms of congenital pain
insensitivity, her condition left her blissfully **unaffected by fear,
sadness, anger, anxiety, and grief**. She is also free of the frequent
injuries and early childhood self-mutilation behaviors that make other
forms of congenital pain insensitivity so pathological and dangerous. Her
pain-sensing neurons work, but she does not generate intrinsically
unpleasant experiential qualities in response to the signals they send to
her brain. Her syndrome remained unknown to her until she was well into her
sixth decade of life, in contrast to other forms of congenital pain
insensitivity that make themselves known immediately due to their
disastrous consequences*."

*"On May 24th, 2023, University College London released its landmark paper
investigating the molecular basis of this strange new pain insensitivity
syndrome titled "Molecular Basis of FAAH-Out Associated Pain
Insensitivity," in which it was revealed that this "Feel Good Syndrome" was
caused by two simple genetic mutations affecting the FAAH Platform: a less
active SNP of the FAAH gene and an 8KB micro-deletion at the beginning of
the FAAH-OUT pseudo-gene, which lead to a drastic increase in anandamide
("the bliss molecule"). These two generic differences had a downstream
impact on many genes, but only a handful of these changes were identified
as relevant to physical and psychological suffering. Chief among them were
the downregulation of ACKR3 - an endogenous opioid scavenger - and the
upregulation of BDNF - a nerve growth factor known to impact depression and
anxiety. This "Feel Good Syndrome" could be replicated using gene editing
technologies like CRISPR in humans and livestock animals. Moreover, it
could plausibly be reproduced pharmacologically using already existing
inhibitors of FAAH (which substantially boost anandamide and BDNF) and
ACKR3. These premises formed the basis upon which The Far Out Initiative
developed the suffering abolitionist research program we are now pursuing."*

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AI used to decipher the text of 2,000-year-old charred papyrus scrolls

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Artificial intelligence is getting so good it can now extract useful
information even from highly degraded material, and this should give some
encouragement to those who plan to be cryogenically preserved. In 79 AD
Mount Vesuvius erupted engulfing the towns of Pompeii and Herculaneum. It
also burned up a library containing thousands of scrolls, reducing them to
tightly rolled upcarbonized lumps. Nevertheless an advanced AI was able to
read about 5% of the information in them.

AI used to decipher the text of 2,000-year-old charred papyrus scrolls


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Re: On The Origin Of Time

[John Clark]

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 6:17 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

* >I'm surprised. *
>

Why? Neither google nor GPT knows what the "Poincaire' effect" is in I
don't either.


> > All mathematicians have experienced it,
>

That depends on what "it" is. Just tell me what you're talking about and
why it contradicts some thing that I said.

*> it's named after Poincare*
>

 A lot of things were named after *Poincare.*

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