Re: [expert] Difference between distros
On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 18:50, Toshiro wrote: Are you sure? Maybe I'm wrong, but I have the idea that (at least a long time ago :) Slackware has a somewhat different directory layout (especially below the /etc directory). Anyone with recent experience with Slackware can confirm this? (I haven't used Slackware since 1995) You idea is dead right, especially in the context of /etc. Last time I used Slackware, it was based on the BSD filesystem. Red Hat/Mandrake use what's called the System V interface definition. In the past, the Posix standard embraced the System V interface definition; one reason for this was that the US government was tired of trying to make stuff work across totally different Unix platforms, it got to be highly inconvenient, to say the least. This inspired the US gov to adopt Posix as a Federal Information Processing Standard (FIPS). As you can imagine this was an inspiration for many Unix vendors to gain a sudden partiality towards System V and Posix. Here's a layout of a BSD filesystem: http://www.washington.edu/R870/img/BSD-dir.gif Layout of System V: http://www.washington.edu/R870/img/V4-dir.gif System V filesystems are very highly organized and use directory structure to great advantage in categorization, which is what it's supposed to be used for. For instance, Sys V /etc uses subdirs to categorize configuration and initialization files. Sys V /dev categorizes device files in subs also as another example. BSD file structures *by contrast* are not very organized. In fact BSD is kind of annoying, if you want to know the truth about it. One thing that used to fry my eggs was the way everything was just dumped into /etc; no subs. Another was the lack of a decent comprehensive organized system of initialization files. I can pretty much nutshell it by saying that the most annoying thing about BSD is that it's not System V. -- Toshiro --LX P.S. Trivia -- Richard Stallman coined the term Posix (acronym for Portable Operating Systems Interface for Unix) -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] lirc and Hauppauge remote control
I face a lot of troubles to set up lirc on Mandrake 9. I searched in mailing lists and modified some scripts but with no success. I have a TV card Hauppauge PCI (BT878) with IR remote control. The TV card works well but I cannot make the IRRC work. It works well under windows though. I installed lirc et lirc-remotes packages, then used modprobe lirc_i2c which loads lirc_i2c and lirc_dev modules in memory. I also copied cp lircd.conf.hauppauge /etc/lircd.conf cp lircmd.conf.hauppauge /etc/lircmd.conf 1) I edited the file /etc/sysconfig/lircd to indicate which module to use # Customized setings for lirc daemon # The hardware driver to use, run lircd --driver=? for a list #DRIVER=default CONFIG=/etc/lircd.conf # Hardware driver module to load HWMOD=lirc_i2c # The device node that communicates with the IR device. # with devfs enabled DEVICE=/dev/lirc/0 Note : the line '/dev/lirc/0' was already in the file, I do not know if I need to change it (I use devfs) 2) I edited /etc/modules.conf and added : alias char-major-61 lirc_i2c However, it does not load lirc_i2c automatically when starting, I still need to load it manually 3) devfsd does not create a directory ' /dev/lirc ' then there is no /dev/lirc/0. Is there a way to create it ? 4) I found in the expert mailing-list that lirc modules where not in the correct place in the script ' /etc/rc.d/init.d/lircd ', so I also corrected but no success... What is weird is that the red led of the receiver shows continuously (although it should show only when receiving a signal from the remote control). By stopping the service lircd, then restarting, or by removing and loading again the lirc_i2c module, that light sometimes turns off. However, when I press the remote control then, the led shows and stays on. Has someone the same hardware and succeeded to configure it ? Could Mandrake give updated initscripts and lirc packages for that ? Thanks Eric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Difference between distros
Forgive my stupidity, but i thought Linux was based on the System V system and BSD (Berkley System Distribution) was a different flavour of Unix to Linux. Not all unices are the same but Linux is heading to the posix/LSB standard to make it easier for more program compatability. Of course non-standard versions will and should occur where somebody thinks they have a better way. Time, testing and adoption practises hopefully will prevail in proving this correct or not (Advertising and monetary backing meant VHS prevailed over Beta). /newbie crawls off soapbox and hides under bed I have noticed on my short time on this list that most questions should have been posted newbie first anyway. On Fri, 03 Jan 2003 22:11, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 18:50, Toshiro wrote: Are you sure? Maybe I'm wrong, but I have the idea that (at least a long time ago :) Slackware has a somewhat different directory layout (especially below the /etc directory). Anyone with recent experience with Slackware can confirm this? (I haven't used Slackware since 1995) You idea is dead right, especially in the context of /etc. Last time I used Slackware, it was based on the BSD filesystem. Red Hat/Mandrake use what's called the System V interface definition. In the past, the Posix standard embraced the System V interface definition; one reason for this was that the US government was tired of trying to make stuff work across totally different Unix platforms, it got to be highly inconvenient, to say the least. This inspired the US gov to adopt Posix as a Federal Information Processing Standard (FIPS). As you can imagine this was an inspiration for many Unix vendors to gain a sudden partiality towards System V and Posix. Here's a layout of a BSD filesystem: http://www.washington.edu/R870/img/BSD-dir.gif Layout of System V: http://www.washington.edu/R870/img/V4-dir.gif System V filesystems are very highly organized and use directory structure to great advantage in categorization, which is what it's supposed to be used for. For instance, Sys V /etc uses subdirs to categorize configuration and initialization files. Sys V /dev categorizes device files in subs also as another example. BSD file structures *by contrast* are not very organized. In fact BSD is kind of annoying, if you want to know the truth about it. One thing that used to fry my eggs was the way everything was just dumped into /etc; no subs. Another was the lack of a decent comprehensive organized system of initialization files. I can pretty much nutshell it by saying that the most annoying thing about BSD is that it's not System V. -- Toshiro --LX P.S. Trivia -- Richard Stallman coined the term Posix (acronym for Portable Operating Systems Interface for Unix) -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] lirc and Hauppauge remote control
I'm using an earlier distro, but have it working. Have you tried just using DEVICE=/dev/lirc i.e. not using devfs node? If I recall correctly, the lirc modules aren't automatically loaded unless you run lircd (or /etc/rc.d/init.d/lircd). Also, are you sure you have a TV card with the I2C receiver? Mine doesn't have a red LED. The correct I2C receiver plugs right into the TV card with a minijack. Hauppauge also had a receiver that attached to a serial port. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] lirc and Hauppauge remote control
Mark Chou wrote: I'm using an earlier distro, but have it working. Have you tried just using DEVICE=/dev/lirc i.e. not using devfs node? If I recall correctly, the lirc modules aren't automatically loaded unless you run lircd (or /etc/rc.d/init.d/lircd). Also, are you sure you have a TV card with the I2C receiver? Mine doesn't have a red LED. The correct I2C receiver plugs right into the TV card with a minijack. Hauppauge also had a receiver that attached to a serial port. --- I have the same device than you : the IR receiver connects to the TV card port (the shape of the plug does not allow any other port), and has a red led in front, behind the dark red receiver cache. This led shows when plugged at start but should turn off when drivers are loaded. It is the case under Windows (and it works well this way). I'll try your advice, but also I could upgrade lirc to the cooker packages if possible : mandrake bugzilla mentions some bugs with module path that have been corrected in cooker. Thanks Eric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] urpmi error
Hi. I've just installed the updates on a Mandrake 9.0 powerpack edition and trying to install the updates using: [root@primer primer]# urpmi --auto-select --update Can't call method arch on an undefined value at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi/URPM/Resolve.pm line 14. This used to work and did before the last update of urpmi. [root@primer primer]# rpm -qa | grep -i urpm perl-URPM-0.70-10mdk urpmi-4.0-20.1mdk [root@primer primer]# Any clues? -- Jesper Krogh Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Re: Monitors
Thank you for your answers. I think I found the thread on /.: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/03/17/0050257mode=threadtid=137 It appears people like ViewSonic, Cornerstone, Sony, or iiyama. I'm glad I learned about ViewSonic and Cornerstone as they are not well known here. In addition to these Philips make monitors that appear to be good. -- Michal Suchanek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Command line upgrading...
Ran into a mild problem I was hoping the list might be able to help me out with. I have a Mandrake server that has been faithfully running at a remote colo center for quite some time-- 247 days since the last kernel upgrade :) However, it's getting a bit out of date at this point. I went to upgrade PHP to the new version (4.3.0) and ended up finding out that they dropped support for MySQL 3.22.x; only MySQL 3.23.x is now supported. Given that I really don't feel like compiling MySQL by hand, I grabbed the latest set of RPMs and went to install them-- only to find that they require glibc 2.2. Since I'm running Mandrake 7.1, that's not exactly feasible. I know urpmi is the Mandrake equivalent of apt, but is there a way to use urpmi or some other utility to perform a remote upgrade of the system? Or do I need to set an appointment with the colo center and go down with a new pair of Mandrake CDs to upgrade it? I was thinking I could use MandrakeUpdate to convert to cooker, and upgrade that way, but it seems like that version of MandrakeUpdate is actually pre-Cooker. Any advice would be greatly welcome. --Nathan Clemons Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Command line upgrading...
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Nathan Clemons wrote: Ran into a mild problem I was hoping the list might be able to help me out with. I have a Mandrake server that has been faithfully running at a remote colo center for quite some time-- 247 days since the last kernel upgrade :) However, it's getting a bit out of date at this point. I went to upgrade PHP to the new version (4.3.0) and ended up finding out that they dropped support for MySQL 3.22.x; only MySQL 3.23.x is now supported. Given that I really don't feel like compiling MySQL by hand, I grabbed the latest set of RPMs and went to install them-- only to find that they require glibc 2.2. Since I'm running Mandrake 7.1, that's not exactly feasible. Have you tried rebuilding the package from the source RPM? This sounds like the easiest thing to try. You'll likely need to edit some of the rpm macro files to get it to build. If so, post the errors and we can figure out what went wrong. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Difference between distros
030104 Michael Adams wrote: I have noticed on my short time on this list that most questions should have been posted newbie first anyway. 'newby' (ugh! reaches for verbicide: sb 'novice') 'expert' are relative: contrast 'angel' 'devil', which are categorical (cp Milton et al). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Command line upgrading...
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Nathan Clemons wrote: I went to upgrade PHP to the new version (4.3.0) and ended up finding out that they dropped support for MySQL 3.22.x; only MySQL 3.23.x is now supported. Given that I really don't feel like compiling MySQL by hand, I grabbed the latest set of RPMs and went to install them-- only to find that they require glibc 2.2. Since I'm running Mandrake 7.1, that's not exactly feasible. Have you tried rebuilding the package from the source RPM? This sounds like the easiest thing to try. You'll likely need to edit some of the rpm macro files to get it to build. If so, post the errors and we can figure out what went wrong. Hmmm, that's a good idea, I've got that going right now. I am planning on rebuilding the server when I move it from one colo center to another (migrating it to a rackmount chassis), but I am still curious as to whether or not newer versions of Mandrake allow for upgrading versions without needing to do a CD upgrade. My 2nd server is running 8.2, and upgrading it to 9.0 would be something I'd like to do when possible. Remote upgrades is the one thing I liked about working with debian when I worked for OSDN; unfortunately, it was the only thing I liked about debian :) --Nathan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] USB Flashcard Reader problem under 9.0
I will not mess with the fstab until I can mount the device manually, which I can't. I have tried mounting the device with the auto argument without successit can't detect the filesystem, which tells me it's a kernel problem. May have to wait for a newer one. Cheers Jason J. Grant wrote: Hi, Sounds like you are nearly there. How about adding a line to your fstab with auto as the fstype? Also dd if=/dev/sda of=dump; then take a look at the FS, maybe its not formated? or corrupted? try inserting a card before switching on the machine... Also try the adapter in another usb machine, and I assume you got other usb devices working on this machine? Also try another CF card incase thats the problem. if all else fails get a pccard adapter and access that way on a laptop, thats what I do. Regards JG Jason wrote: Hi all, Hope you can help. Now we're getting somewhere!! I unplugged the device AGAIN and rebooted. Went through the steps again and this time it created the devfs entry...but with errors in the log (/var/log/messages): Dec 30 11:27:17 localhost kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:04.2-1, assigned address 2 Dec 30 11:27:17 localhost kernel: usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0xd7d/0x240) is not claimed by any active driver. Dec 30 11:27:21 localhost /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Setup usb-storage for USB product d7d/240/100 Dec 30 11:27:21 localhost kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... Dec 30 11:27:21 localhost kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage Dec 30 11:27:21 localhost kernel: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Dec 30 11:27:21 localhost kernel: Vendor: Model: USB Card Reader Rev: 1.06 Dec 30 11:27:21 localhost kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Dec 30 11:27:21 localhost kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. Dec 30 11:27:26 localhost kernel: Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Dec 30 11:27:26 localhost kernel: sda : READ CAPACITY failed. Dec 30 11:27:26 localhost kernel: sda : status = 1, message = 00, host = 0, driver = 08 Dec 30 11:27:26 localhost kernel: Current sd00:00: sense key Not Ready Dec 30 11:27:26 localhost kernel: Additional sense indicates Medium not present Dec 30 11:27:26 localhost kernel: sda : block size assumed to be 512 bytes, disk size 1GB. Dec 30 11:27:26 localhost kernel: /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0 Dec 30 11:27:26 localhost kernel: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0 Dec 30 11:27:26 localhost kernel: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 2097144 Dec 30 11:27:26 localhost kernel: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 2097144 Dec 30 11:27:26 localhost kernel: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0 Dec 30 11:27:26 localhost kernel: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0 Dec 30 11:27:26 localhost kernel: ldm_validate_partition_table(): Disk read failed. Dec 30 11:27:26 localhost kernel: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0 Dec 30 11:27:26 localhost kernel: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 2 Dec 30 11:27:26 localhost kernel: unable to read partition table Weird is says medium not present since I had a SM card in the reader when I mounted it!! I had to do the sd_mod straight away or the usb would time out. Anyway, once I did this I tried to mount it: [root@localhost jason]# modprobe sd_mod [root@localhost jason]# mount /dev/sda /mnt/cf /dev/sda: Input/output error mount: you must specify the filesystem type So I tried several ways: [root@localhost jason]# mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/cf mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, or too many mounted file systems [root@localhost jason]# mount -t auto /dev/sda /mnt/cf /dev/sda: Input/output error mount: you must specify the filesystem type [root@localhost jason]# I used vfat cause I know these crap readers use fat by default. Why can't I mount the bugger!!?!@#$%^ =) Cheers Jason J. Grant wrote: Well have you got the usb modules loaded? And i assume there are other working usb devicies? you do not mention if your mouse is listed. If not get the lastest libusb recompile the latest kernel too. JG Jason wrote: Ok, I am still having problems so I hope someone can help me out here. I had a look in: |/proc/bus/usb/devices| and there is nothing in there, even after plugging in the device. This tells me that the kernel is not recognizing the device right?? If so, how do I rectify this?? This device is SUPPOSED to be supported under Linux so I just need a nudge in the right direction. Cheers Jason PS, since I've had no joy here, I'll cc it to the cooker list too. Thanks for the help all.| | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your
Re: [expert] USB Flashcard Reader problem under 9.0
I'm a little past this point sorry. The device needs to be detected with a device entry made in /dev first, before I can do anything else. It doesn't always get detected and when it does the media in it does not. My usb storage module is loaded at boot so this is not a problem. The scsi emulation is a problem though, so I have to modprobe sd_mod for that to work after plugging in the device. Even then, I can't mount it since it can't tell the fs type (though I think that is related to the media not detected error in /var/logs/messages). Bugga. Nevermind, will keep playing. Thanks for the ideas though. Cheers Jason TwinkieStix wrote: To get my USB flash card reader to work (Kingston FCR-U2CF) : -Go to a command prompt -#su root -type password -#insmod usb-storage -#mkdir /mnt/flash -#mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash Look in /mnt/flash and see if the files are there. If so, you can add a line to /etc/fstab to make the drive automount and a link in removable devices to make it seem just like a floppy drive. --TwinkieStix Jason wrote: Thanks much but yup, I read it too and it didn't help meunfortunately. I am getting closer to getting it going and if/when I do I will post the process to the list. Cheers Jason Greenwood James Sparenberg wrote: Don't know if this will help but ran across this article on LinuxToday.. Title: Using a Compact Flash Card Reader in Linux http://www.machineofthemonth.org/articles/2002/1216/index.html James On Sat, 2002-12-28 at 08:21, J. Grant wrote: Well have you got the usb modules loaded? And i assume there are other working usb devicies? you do not mention if your mouse is listed. If not get the lastest libusb recompile the latest kernel too. JG Jason wrote: Ok, I am still having problems so I hope someone can help me out here. I had a look in: |/proc/bus/usb/devices| and there is nothing in there, even after plugging in the device. This tells me that the kernel is not recognizing the device right?? If so, how do I rectify this?? This device is SUPPOSED to be supported under Linux so I just need a nudge in the right direction. Cheers Jason PS, since I've had no joy here, I'll cc it to the cooker list too. Thanks for the help all.| | __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] gdm problems: how to boot in?
Dear all, I have recently upgraded my parents PC from 8.2 to 9.0. Unfortunately, when it came to configure X during update it appeared to crash, so I reset my machine and configured X through XFdrake. It all seems to be running fine now. My problem is that when I boot up, instead of kicking straight into gdm, it kicked into icewm-light with a terminal window. To jump into gdm I pressed CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE. I removed the icewm-light thinking that would solve the problem, but now I just have a simple window system with terminal. I still have to press CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE to get into gdm!?! What is my problem here? How do I configure it so that only gdm will kick in? I have tried reconfiguring gdm through Mandrake Control Centre to no avail. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Andy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi error
On Fri Jan 03, 2003 at 01:48:59PM +0100, Jesper Krogh wrote:
Hi.
I've just installed the updates on a Mandrake 9.0 powerpack edition and
trying
to install the updates using:
[root@primer primer]# urpmi --auto-select --update
Can't call method arch on an undefined value at
/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/i386-linux-thread-multi/URPM/Resolve.pm
line 14.
This used to work and did before the last update of urpmi.
[root@primer primer]# rpm -qa | grep -i urpm
perl-URPM-0.70-10mdk
urpmi-4.0-20.1mdk
[root@primer primer]#
Any clues?
Not sure. Works here:
[vdanen@logan vdanen]$ sudo /usr/sbin/urpmi --auto-select --update
everything already installed
Same version of urpmi and perl-URPM here. Did you upgrade gurpmi? I
don't think it has anything to do with this, but it was part of the
update.
Do you know if there should be anything to update? Or do you have
everything installed already?
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[expert] DHCP
Hi I have configured my machine to use DHCP (dhcpcd). Webmin, konqueror, pine open very slowly and webmin now takes ages to change pages. With a static IP all moved along quite well. Is there some other configuration to do ? Is pump a better option ? I get a IP address allright though. -- /Marek //Pawinski.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] msec security configuration
I was wondering how to customize my msec 3 security settings.The instructions in man mseclib are a little vague.Specifically I would like to enable PROMISC_CHECK=yes in level 3.Thanx. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Michael Shinobi a.k.a. 'alfalfa' Mandrake 8.2 Kernel-2.4.18-8.1mdk Linux user #298896 Fri Jan 3 13:42:49 EST 2003 1:42pm up 2 days, 15:51, 2 users, load average: 0.07, 0.04, 0.06 Homepage: http://micronuke.tripod.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= If truth is beauty, how come no one has their hair done in the library? -- Lily Tomlin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] 2.4.20 Kernel Problem
Greeting all, I have a Compaq Presario 725CA notebook that I am truing to upgrade to kernel 2.4.20-2mdk (has fixed for ACPI), but I have installed the stock kernel from cooker and when it boots, it always locks hard while probing the PCI bus: PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfd7ae, last bus=1 PCI: Using configuration type 1 [] (I get 109 dots, if that means anything???) And the system stops there, requiring a power off to reboot. I tried it with pci=conf2, but then I get a message stating that the system does not support PCI and it boots, but sound, network, and ACPI devices are never found because they are PCI. Tried booting with noacpi as well, but I got as far probing the PCI bus and hung. Any ideas? I tried recompiling, and got the same problems. -- ...Rob -- Doing evil in the name of good is still evil. = Robert Goshko Axis Computer Consulting Services, Inc President Sherwood Park, Alberta, Canada http://www.axis-dev.ca/ Supporting the Revolution In Your World = Registered Linux User #260513 GNU/Linux i686 2.4.19-16mdk 11:40am up 18 min, 4 users, load average: 0.09, 0.16, 0.16 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] 2.4.20 Kernel Problem
On 03 Jan 2003 11:48:50 -0700 Robert Goshko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried it with pci=conf2, but then I get a message stating that the system does not support PCI and it boots, but sound, network, and ACPI devices are never found because they are PCI. Try booting with pci=nobios Charles By making something absolutely clear, someone will become confused -- Murphy's In Laws n°9 -- Mandrake Linux 9.1 Kernel- 2.4.20-2mdk -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] gdm problems: how to boot in?
Hi Andy, On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 18:23, Andy Weller wrote: My problem is that when I boot up, instead of kicking straight into gdm, it kicked into icewm-light with a terminal window. To jump into gdm I pressed CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE. I removed the icewm-light thinking that would solve the problem, but now I just have a simple window system with terminal. I still have to press CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE to get into gdm!?! One thought, do you have the autologin feature engaged? Run gdmconfig, it's in the Automatic Login tab. -- Mikko Lipasti Polarcom Consulting Oy :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: +358 (0)40 5590 988 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] Command line upgrading...
On Friday 03 January 2003 16:24, Nathan Clemons wrote: I am planning on rebuilding the server when I move it from one colo center to another (migrating it to a rackmount chassis), but I am still curious as to whether or not newer versions of Mandrake allow for upgrading versions without needing to do a CD upgrade. My 2nd server is running 8.2, and upgrading it to 9.0 would be something I'd like to do when possible. Remote upgrades is the one thing I liked about working with debian when I worked for OSDN; unfortunately, it was the only thing I liked about debian I have upgraded two machines remotely from 8.2 to 9.0 using urpmi. I did it first locally to my laptop to test it, and then remotely without any problems. Teemu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] DHCP
Hi Marek, On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 19:45, Marek wrote: I have configured my machine to use DHCP (dhcpcd). Webmin, konqueror, pine open very slowly and webmin now takes ages to change pages. With a static IP all moved along quite well. Is there some other configuration to do ? Is pump a better option ? I get a IP address allright though. Surprisingly may slowdowns are due to name resolving hiccups. Can you resolve your own hostname? Is it on the DNS server the DHCP server is giving you or alternatively in the /etc/hosts file? -- Mikko Lipasti Polarcom Consulting Oy :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: +358 (0)40 5590 988 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] Difference between distros
On Sat, 04 Jan 2003 04:25, Philip Webb wrote: 030104 Michael Adams wrote: I have noticed on my short time on this list that most questions should have been posted newbie first anyway. 'newby' (ugh! reaches for verbicide: sb 'novice') 'expert' are relative: contrast 'angel' 'devil', which are categorical (cp Milton et al). LOL, i am not sure if i should be insulted or not. I bow before a more complex (possibly eccentrically deranged) mind. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Difference between distros
On Sat, 4 Jan 2003 09:50:31 +1300 Michael Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL, i am not sure if i should be insulted or not. I bow before a more complex (possibly eccentrically deranged) mind. Perhaps only arbitrarily dysfunctional. Charles Where is John Carson now that we need him? -- RLG -- Mandrake Linux 9.1 Kernel- 2.4.20-2mdk -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 2.4.20 Kernel Problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi I have recently successfully installed cooker on my Presario 732US, and made a webpage detailing this at: http://individual.utoronto.ca/noyes/projects/laptop/tuxtop.html It is still under heavy development, but it should be very usefull to you. I got the same error message (holy crap - you counted how many dots there were! ;-) ). First, try booting with acpi=off. This worked for me, but obviously acpi did not work, and hence fan processor where at 100% all the time. I had to recompile the kernel, and here is the important part: It seems the Presario 700 series has a faulty implementation of acpi, and therefore you have to disable APIC (no, I didn't spell that wrong!). Just check out the web-page and be sure to report any additional issues you have. Good luck, Sascha Noyes - -- Please encrypt all correspondence. PGP key available from: http://individual.utoronto.ca/noyes/snoyes.asc - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+FfyGgzJdfX+cTW8RAq55AJ9WSpw+fnb7IHOSndokb3kquJLzHgCgoxJh sCkouNCPWGSDUXaLmtAlT3A= =uNkK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] DHCP
What DNS server are you using? Check the syntax of your DNS zone files. A forgotten or extra . can also make name resolution go nuts. Sometimes its the simple things that get you. (anyone else speak from experience here?) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mikko Lipasti Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 1:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] DHCP Hi Marek, On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 19:45, Marek wrote: I have configured my machine to use DHCP (dhcpcd). Webmin, konqueror, pine open very slowly and webmin now takes ages to change pages. With a static IP all moved along quite well. Is there some other configuration to do ? Is pump a better option ? I get a IP address allright though. Surprisingly may slowdowns are due to name resolving hiccups. Can you resolve your own hostname? Is it on the DNS server the DHCP server is giving you or alternatively in the /etc/hosts file? -- Mikko Lipasti Polarcom Consulting Oy :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: +358 (0)40 5590 988 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] lirc and Hauppauge remote control
On Friday 03 January 2003 6:37 am, Eric Fernandez wrote: I'm using an earlier distro, but have it working. Have you tried just using DEVICE=/dev/lirc i.e. not using devfs node? I'll try your advice, but also I could upgrade lirc to the cooker packages if possible : mandrake bugzilla mentions some bugs with module path that have been corrected in cooker. I don't have the same device as you guys (mine came with a pixelview playtv pro - uses lirc_gpio), but I have the same problems as you Eric. I have all the configs in place, the drivers and deamons get loaded - but no device made. I'm jumping in here cause you say you might try cooker packages - but I'm running full cooker and still can't get devfs to make the device upon boot and mknod isn't interested either. I'm not inclined to disable devfs. I'll keep digging and playing as I'm sure you will. I ask that if you make further progress to please share as I will. If anyone has any further advice - hey, I ain't too proud! :) I'm thinking of booting slack to see if it will work there... :D kdh, -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Command line upgrading...
Teemu Torma wrote: I have upgraded two machines remotely from 8.2 to 9.0 using urpmi. I did it first locally to my laptop to test it, and then remotely without any problems. Interesting, since live_update didn't work as expected for me (but thanks to urpmi I managed to clean the mess). Did you just add sources for 9.0 and then urpmi --auto-select or did you use another incantation? Bye -- Luca Olivetti Note.- This message reached you today, it may not tomorrow if you are using MAPS or other RBL. They arbitrarily IP addresses not related in any way to spam, disrupting Internet connectivity. See http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/05/21/1944247 and http://theory.whirlycott.com/~phil/antispam/rbl-bad/rbl-bad.html msg63669/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Command line upgrading...
On Friday 03 January 2003 23:03, Luca Olivetti wrote: I have upgraded two machines remotely from 8.2 to 9.0 using urpmi. I did it first locally to my laptop to test it, and then remotely without any problems. Interesting, since live_update didn't work as expected for me (but thanks to urpmi I managed to clean the mess). Did you just add sources for 9.0 and then urpmi --auto-select or did you use another incantation? Basically like that, in couple of phases. First updated glibc, kernel, initscripts, then reboot, then updated rpm, urpmi, perl and other related parts, and finally --auto-select. I can't remember all the details anymore. Of course the process is risky, especially the first bit, but I did not have any problem other than incomplete dependencies which causes multiple tries to get the rpm/urpmi update done. Teemu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 2.4.20 Kernel Problem
Noticed two things here on a compaq m700... one apm is not compiled in. So since APxx isn't supported right on this laptop I removed it (the rpm kernel)installed source and compiled my own... Now works right except for problems with my d-link pcmcia (DFE-670TXE) nic. Under the 20 kernel it's slower than molasses in January. Reboot to the stock 9.0 kernel and it works fine. Any Ideas. On PCI this one works fine. All hardware found and functions. Even able to get the Lucent LinModem to appear to work.(I can call my home phone from the office but I don't have a dialup ISP) Both under the rpm from cooker and under the one I compiled. Are you able to compile a 2.4.20 that works? James On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 10:48, Robert Goshko wrote: Greeting all, I have a Compaq Presario 725CA notebook that I am truing to upgrade to kernel 2.4.20-2mdk (has fixed for ACPI), but I have installed the stock kernel from cooker and when it boots, it always locks hard while probing the PCI bus: PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfd7ae, last bus=1 PCI: Using configuration type 1 [] (I get 109 dots, if that means anything???) And the system stops there, requiring a power off to reboot. I tried it with pci=conf2, but then I get a message stating that the system does not support PCI and it boots, but sound, network, and ACPI devices are never found because they are PCI. Tried booting with noacpi as well, but I got as far probing the PCI bus and hung. Any ideas? I tried recompiling, and got the same problems. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 16:05
Hello, I have been using Mandrake Linux since version 7 and have loved all but one thing about it. I have yet to be able to compile a kernel on Mandrake. I have successfully compiled kernels on Debian, Slackware, Red-Hat, and various other systems but never successful on Mandrake. Every time i have tried it has failed due to Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 16:05. In case the line above that has any significance it reads ds: No Socket Drivers Loaded! Some may say that this is due to incorrect modules selected during compilation but this is not true in my case because i have left the default Mandrake 9 kernel sources in /usr/src/linux and then extracted the 2.4.20 sources in /usr/src/linux-2.4.20 i then cd into /usr/src/linux-2.4.20 and did make oldconfig This should have built the 2.4.20 kernel using the .config file from the Mandrake sources which would have basically enabled everything and left my system in a working status. Please help. Thanks Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] dhcp incomplete on mandrake??
On 02 Jan 2003 23:39:39 -0800, James Sparenberg wrote: Just a curiosity... do you have samba installed on the linux boxes? If so it could be getting it this way. Congratulations, you got it in one! After reading this, I did a ps and found these running: F UID PID PPID PRI NI VSZ RSS WCHAN STAT TTYTIME COMMAND 140 0 1794 1 9 0 5004 1896 do_sel S? 0:00 smbd -D 140 0 1804 1 9 0 3760 1700 do_sel S? 0:00 nmbd -D I didn't realize that the installation had activated the daemons. Thanks for the clue. -- Matthew O. Persico Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: dhcp incomplete on mandrake??
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:39:15 -0600, stefmit wrote: By registering to a WINS server on your network, via samba (possible) broadcasts, your Linux will become known to Win machines (NB queries to the broadcast address directed to UDP 137, in the hope of a WINS server existence, would result in the registration of the broadcaster - in this case your Linux box - in the WINS database). Turns out that smnd and nmbd are running. I didn't realize the installation had installed and started these daemons. That's probably how XP found the Linux box. Anyhow - you would probably gain a lot more knowledge installing ethereal on the Linux and XP boxes, and capturing the traffic during a simple ping ... or even without one ... you could get the fantastic opportunity to see how the name query works, how broadcast of samba services works, who is answering/responsible for name resolution, and what kind of name resolution you are dealing with (NetBIOS, DNS, you name it). Sometimes a couple of minutes of traces could save you a couple of days of emails on the mandrake lilst ;) Never heard of it. Will do. Thanks! -- Matthew O. Persico Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 16:05
Mike Ramsey wrote: Hello, I have been using Mandrake Linux since version 7 and have loved all but one thing about it. I have yet to be able to compile a kernel on Mandrake. I have successfully compiled kernels on Debian, Slackware, Red-Hat, and various other systems but never successful on Mandrake. Every time i have tried it has failed due to Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 16:05. In case the line above that has any significance it reads ds: No Socket Drivers Loaded! Some may say that this is due to incorrect modules selected during compilation but this is not true in my case because i have left the default Mandrake 9 kernel sources in /usr/src/linux and then extracted the 2.4.20 sources in /usr/src/linux-2.4.20 i then cd into /usr/src/linux-2.4.20 and did make oldconfig This should have built the 2.4.20 kernel using the .config file from the Mandrake sources which would have basically enabled everything and left my system in a working status. Please help. Thanks Mike Save .config out of the way, if you want, and do make mrproper as a first step. See http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg62945.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 2.4.20 Kernel Problem
On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 14:11, Sascha Noyes wrote: I have recently successfully installed cooker on my Presario 732US, and made a webpage detailing this at: http://individual.utoronto.ca/noyes/projects/laptop/tuxtop.html It is still under heavy development, but it should be very usefull to you. I'll have a boo, thanks! I got the same error message (holy crap - you counted how many dots there were! ;-) ). First, try booting with acpi=off. This worked for me, but I just counted the last 23 (80 char display, gave me the first part ;) ) obviously acpi did not work, and hence fan processor where at 100% all the time. I had to recompile the kernel, and here is the important part: It seems the Presario 700 series has a faulty implementation of acpi, and therefore Why is it every laptop I seem to purchase has APM/ACPI problems/defects that prevent it from working good with Linux? I had a similar problem with my old Dell Inspiron 7000 and APM. you have to disable APIC (no, I didn't spell that wrong!). Just check out the web-page and be sure to report any additional issues you have. Thanks again Sascha. -- ...Rob -- Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have, and only you can determine how it will be spent. Be careful lest you let other people spend it for you. = Robert Goshko Axis Computer Consulting Services, Inc President Sherwood Park, Alberta, Canada http://www.axis-dev.ca/ Supporting the Revolution In Your World = Registered Linux User #260513 GNU/Linux i686 2.4.20-2mdk 2:43pm up 8 min, 4 users, load average: 0.10, 0.43, 0.23 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] reversed man?
it would seem to me that if a man page was present in both places, I would = see the one in /opt/perl... first. But lo, and behold: Matt - I think the issue here is that the first man entry is for section 1 in the manual and the second is for a function in section 3 that's perl-specific. One would think that section 1 (i.e., user commands) are displayed before section 3 items. Of course you can override, i.e., 'man 3 version' should bring up the second entry. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 16:05
Every time i have tried it has failed due to Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 16:05. In case the line above that has any significance it reads ds: No Socket Drivers Loaded! Some may say that IOW, the bootable kernel you built isn't quite bootable :(. A cursory grep in /dev and in the linux source code documentation show nothing for device 16. What media are you trying to boot from? /usr/src/linux-2.4.20 i then cd into /usr/src/linux-2.4.20 and did make oldconfig Once you make oldconfig you still have to make a bootable image. 'make zdisk' is preferable in that you can store the bootable image on a floppy and not risk fscking up your setup :). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Difference between distros
On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 06:14, Michael Adams wrote: Forgive my stupidity, but i thought Linux was based on the System V system and BSD (Berkley System Distribution) was a different flavour of Unix to Linux. Not all unices are the same but Linux is heading to the posix/LSB standard to make it easier for more program compatability. In the beginning, linux as a whole was pretty unjelled. Some distros mirrored the BSD filesystem (BSD in this context and below meaning a reference to the filesystem and not the distro in toto) and others like Red Hat went straight for a System V layout. I'm glad they did that, because it directly influenced Mandrake. To be fair though, my post was a rather gestapoish letter with respect to BSD influence, blowing off some steam on the frustrations I've had with Slackware in the past. In all fairness, there have been quite a few ideas taken from the BSD side and integrated into Linux as a whole. If I remember correctly, the /proc filesystem was one such example of a BSD rip. By and large, tho...IMO the present Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS) is more of a System V layout with handy addons than it is anything else. Of course non-standard versions will and should occur where somebody thinks they have a better way. Time, testing and adoption practises hopefully will prevail in proving this correct or not (Advertising and monetary backing meant VHS prevailed over Beta). /newbie crawls off soapbox and hides under bed I have noticed on my short time on this list that most questions should have been posted newbie first anyway. Here's a layout of a BSD filesystem: http://www.washington.edu/R870/img/BSD-dir.gif Layout of System V: http://www.washington.edu/R870/img/V4-dir.gif System V filesystems are very highly organized and use directory structure to great advantage in categorization, which is what it's supposed to be used for. For instance, Sys V /etc uses subdirs to categorize configuration and initialization files. Sys V /dev categorizes device files in subs also as another example. BSD file structures *by contrast* are not very organized. In fact BSD is kind of annoying, if you want to know the truth about it. One thing that used to fry my eggs was the way everything was just dumped into /etc; no subs. Another was the lack of a decent comprehensive organized system of initialization files. I can pretty much nutshell it by saying that the most annoying thing about BSD is that it's not System V. --LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] reversed man?
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:24:33 -0800 (PST), David E. Fox wrote: it would seem to me that if a man page was present in both places, I would = see the one in /opt/perl... first. But lo, and behold: Matt - I think the issue here is that the first man entry is for section 1 in the manual and the second is for a function in section 3 that's perl-specific. One would think that section 1 (i.e., user commands) are displayed before section 3 items. Of course you can override, i.e., 'man 3 version' should bring up the second entry. Ah! Ok. I get it now. That would explain why SOME of the section 3 items work and some don't. Duh! I should know better. (V8 slap to the head). Thanks -- Matthew O. Persico Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [expert] lirc and Hauppauge remote control
I now vaguely remember that in my case the mandrake lirc rpms were only built for certain devices (meaning the hauppague was not included). What happens when you type lircd --driver=? at the prompt? IIRC, it not enough just to load the right drivers. You also need to make sure lircd is compiled with appropriate device support. If your devices are not returned by that command, then you need to download the lirc source, do ./configure, make, etc. and I believe it will give you lircd that makes the devices correctly. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] DHCP and DNS interaction
I've read the DNS Howto and I've installed the bind and caching server RPMS. What I do not understand is how DNS works with DHCP? In short, I have a DHCP server running on an Linksys Router. My XP boxes all figure out what their names are over netbios and the Linux box is running smbd and nmbd so it broadcasts its name to the XP boxes. However, for the Linux box to be able to get to the XP boxes by name, the local DNS server has to somehow ask the DHCP server what's going on, yes? Does anyone have a pointer to a doc that explains that interaction? -- Matthew Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
