[expert] Off list for a while
I was looking at the Mandrakesoft site recently and I saw a recommendation for folks to use MandrakeExpert rather than these mailing lists. I hate the web interface and It required a great effort with databases to keep up with the incidents when I was answering questions on the MandrakeExpert site. I guess the advantage of local copies in the email is pretty great. Anyway, it occurs to me that what help I give here is essentially competing with something that could generate revenue for Mandrakesoft and I know they need it. After 8 months, I am still seeking employment following the Mandrakesoft layoffs, so I can say the market for jobs in hi-tech is atrocious. Even in another area where I am a professional, technical writing, there is nothing... well, nothing without a hundred applicants willing to work cheap. If any of you know of jobs in your area email me off-list. I am ready to relocate, even to NZ. So goodbye.. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] how to run VB application under linux
On Wednesday 12 March 2003 09:32 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 21:50, PlugHead wrote: (Doh! Re-post to the correct address.) In my (somewhat limited) experience with wine, it is possible to fix some of these problems by copying the appropriate windows DLL to wine/Windows/System directory. (This may violate your EULA, if you care about such things.) -Jason On Wednesday 12 March 2003 11:29 pm, Preston-Campbell wrote: From what I have attempted to run, it depends upon the DLL's called in the VB app. I have gotten a few simple VB programs to run under Wine but many fail at the install or when initializing. Try it out and see. Brian On Wednesday 12 March 2003 11:22 pm, PlugHead wrote: On Tuesday 11 March 2003 06:38 am, Eko Budiharto wrote: Hi, I have a VB application that runs under NT workstation to access MSSQL. I am planning to migrate the workstation into Linux. So it means I want to change the workstation into Linux, but I still want to run my VB application under linux. Is there anyway that I can run my VB application? I am looking forward to a favorable reply from you. Thank you. Yup. Just convert it to Java... :) Seriously, try wine/winex (or codeweavers wine), VMWare or some other option that I can't think of at the moment. Be warned that none of them are perfect, so it may take some tweaking/experimenting... -Jason Haven't used it but there is a program called Xbasic that might give you the ability to run it. Or worst case, minor recode. However for max performance... Eventually consider moving it to a more portable language, but for now... I hope this helps. OOps... just a though here... if it runs in DOS (not necessarily windowsXXX) it MIGHT run in DOSemu or one of the other emulators for DOS. James www.xbasic.org has a nice rpm and a very nice language, similar to but much more powerful than Visual Basic. It is also portable, being able to run on Windows and on linux. To give you an idea of the power of xbasic, it compiles itself in less than 10 seconds on a Celeron 533, and it won't work without X or an emulator for it in windows. Xbasic grids are much like Visual basic forms, but the code would have to be transferred. Since it is using MSSQL it would be advisable to convert a copy of the database to postgresql or Mysql and there are programs available to do both. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] A7N8X and Radeon 9700 Pro under ML 9.1?!?
On Wednesday 12 March 2003 10:47 pm, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: Funny stuff which I don't really understand is that in installer I could select my radeon, and XFree86 4.3.0 with hardware acceleration with no prob and the test would show the X screen in my chosen resolution and colors, but after reboot X doesn't start anymore with the classical error that no screens were found. Is anything different in the X screen showed during the config test in installer and the way X starts normally?!? I would expect that if my hardware combination isn't supported, then also the test inside the configuration part of the installer would choke too... :/ Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [expert] A7N8X and Radeon 9700 Pro under ML 9.1?!? On Wednesday 12 March 2003 09:21 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: Hi mates, I managed to solve my crash problem with the A7V8X and 1GB of mem by changing it against a A7N8X :). Easiest sollution ever (but expensive tho :) ). Anyway, my problem now is that I am sick of running my Radeon as : Vesa. Till now agpgart doesn't want to load on this board (nforce2 chipset) even with agp_try_unsupported=1 and nvidia provides no driver for its agp beside the nvagp module in the drivers for their graphics cards. Since I have an ATI card I am not sure how to make it work in a better mode than vesa on my mainboard. I read a lot of things on the net and I can shorten the long story to the following: 1. Some suggesting to try to install the NVIDIA rpm and then use the nvagp module with the ATI card. No answer from the original poster if it worked. :/ 2. The current kernel agpgart module lacks the description for this card and though some people offered to write the driver provided someone can help with collecting the needed info, the post was left in the air, so no news there... 3. Some reported they managed to run their Radeon 9700 Pro as pci and not AGP on this type of motherboard, but also no details provided upon how to do that?!? PCI is a lot better than vesa anyway, but have no clue how to do that. They said they got 320fps in glxgears. 4. Some said that AGP is needed just to do some texture loading(?!? whatever that is), but if the card has enough memory on the card (radeon 9700 Pro comes with 128MB) you don't absolutely need it and that you can run it as PCI (again?!? but again no clue how?!?) and works just fine (just a tad slower than if ran in AGP on other motherboards where agpgart support exists. I am as clueless as a baby in a topless bar :) about how to get the best out of my card under linux. I really want to try some gaming under linux, but with vesa mode and Mesagl I can go smoke a cigar till next frame comes on the screen Please help. Best regards, Adrian Well the truth is that the ATi boards are very poorly supported in linux, largely because tech info is so hard to get out of ATi, so drivers usually run a few generations behind the current ATi board models. Recently ATi has shown some interest in providing drivers ... If they would open the source, things would be much easier for all concerned. Civileme --- - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com The installer runs without strict rules about the video, but the server proper does NOT. That means there is some sort of screen sort-of working and that it can be displayed during installation. When the server checks with strictness, errors are found which would cause screen crashes or other nasty events so it refuses to set up the device. The proper solution is time; however, I think you will also discover that the ability of that NForce chipset is quite pleasant to the eye and relatively high performance. Potentially, those NForce chipsets are the fastest of all if they ever get the enhancements in hardware and the drivers completely straight. The bandwidth involved is for mostly communication between north and south bridge of the chipset where the video is built-in (potentially very very fast) and it is the equivalent of a Geforce card. I have had great experiences with the A7N266-VM, though of course the driver is binary-only and the kernel is thereby tainted with an unknown, if you want 3D acceleration. But the Radeon drivers eventually work. It is just a huge job to reverse-engineer from a company as close-mouthed as ATi. The 9700 will probably be supported by a later version of XFree. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Boycotting MDL
On Thursday 13 March 2003 10:00 am, Ric Tibbetts wrote: I'm making a statement of personal/political basis. I'm personally boycotting Mandrake Linux. When the French remember who their firends are, and support them, then perhaps this American will return, and support the French again. Until then, you can kiss my American dollars good-bye. Ric Wow... I could see this if the company were placed to influene the French government, or if the staff were not international in nature and if the effort was not also international, but I bet you could be more effective reading your garment labels and the labels in the supermarket and not buying Made in France. Mind you, I am not endorsing your position nor am I endorsing that of France. I just wanted to point out that in these days of global economy there are ways one people can influence another. Of course becoming too influential has its hazards as well. The global economy is tied tightly and the fall of one major player (anything bigger than Iraq or Iceland) will drag everyone down. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MS crud
On Thursday 13 March 2003 01:57 pm, Jack Coates wrote: http://www.monkeynoodle.org/lrp/deworming.html On Sun, 2003-03-09 at 05:01, Gary Hodder wrote: Hi all, any way to stop getting over run with this crud. The start of each line has been removed to protect the guilty. Thanks Gary. xxx.xxx.com [ip-of-host] - - [09/Mar/2003:15:10:58 +1100] GET /scripts/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 300 1100] GET /MSADC/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 298 1100] GET /c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 308 v1100] GET /d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 308 1100] GET /scripts/..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 322 1100]GET/_vti_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/ c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 339 1100]GET/_mem_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/ c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 339 1100]GET/msadc/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c/..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../..%c1%1 c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 355 1100] GET /scripts/..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 321 1100] GET /scripts/..%c0%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 321 1100] GET /scripts/..%c0%af../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 321 1100] GET /scripts/..%c1%9c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 321 1100] GET /scripts/..%%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 400 305 1100] GET /scripts/..%%35c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 400 305 1100] GET /scripts/..%25%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 322 1100] GET /scripts/..%252f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 322 1100] GET /scripts/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 300 1100] GET /MSADC/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 298 1100] GET /c/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 308 1100] GET /d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 308 1100] GET /scripts/..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 322 1100]GET/_vti_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/ c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 339 1100]GET/_mem_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/ c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 339 1100]GET/msadc/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c/..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../..%c1%1 c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 355 1100] GET /scripts/..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 321 1100] GET /scripts/..%c0%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 321 1100] GET /scripts/..%c0%af../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 321 1100] GET /scripts/..%c1%9c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 321 1100] GET /scripts/..%%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 400 305 1100] GET /scripts/..%%35c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 400 305 1100] GET /scripts/..%25%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 322 1100] GET /scripts/..%252f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 322 1100] GET /scripts/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 300 1100] GET /MSADC/root.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0 404 298 __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Ummm, actually you are not protecting the guilty, but rather innocent victims of code red, nimda and gross negligence in not updating their systems. Pierre Fortin has some dandy answers, concerned with automnated email to sysadmins followed by action to keep them from bothering you or others. I think you will find them at his site. http://pfortin.com/Linux/ Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] A7N8X and Radeon 9700 Pro under ML 9.1?!?
On Thursday 13 March 2003 11:39 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few questions tho... XFree86 4.3.0 is supposed to support the Radeon 9700 (to what extent... I couldn't find any info on their site). I think the agpgart might be the prob. I am wondering if the agpgart module supports at least the nforce (not the nforce2) chipset. If I am not mistaken it doesn't though it has been on the market for quite a while now. That is probably due to the lack of support from nvidia. I am thinking of helping reverse engineering the AGP part of the board so we could have support also for nforce2, but I dunno how to do that. I am a programmer myself but never went that deep in linux stuff. I would need all the help I can get on this matter. You are correct, it is the 3D stuff that is not well upported. I understand ATi is trying to do some drivers, but that seems a recent effort and they will need to understand the software engineering process for linux well enough to accomplish it, which may take a few failed efforts. Second question would be: Is there any chance to tell XFree 86 not to do those strict tests anymore? The system on which the problem is, is my play station so I am not that sad if linux gets trashed in the process (I can always reinstall and start all over again). OK yes there is a way. One method is examining DrakX/XFdrake code to find the differences between that and the standard XFree Server... A somewhat simpler solution that might have the same effect is examining the XF86Config-4 file in /etc/X11/ and removing all unwanted modes/screens since it may be one of those that is causing the problem. Any chance of finding usefull stuff in implementing the agpgart for this board from the NVIDIA_kernel sources which builds the NVAGP? I've seen they provide a tarball and sorce rpm for unsupported linux versions, and their NVAGP is supposed to work with the nforce2... Ummm, the tarball and source rpm have huge binareis embedded within. The purpose of the source is to provide a wrapper for compiling as a kernel module, else they would be building binaries for EVERY new kernel issued. Best regards, Adrian Good luck, Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ATI Radeon 8500 DVI + mdk9.0
On Friday 14 March 2003 01:41 pm, Bryan Whitehead wrote: Will Mandrake 9.0 work out of the box with this card? or do I need todo some extra hacking? I only need 2D. No hardware 3D needed. For 2D you should(tm) be OK, but you should also realize that you are less than five miles from the American headquarters office for Mandrakesoft and you could probably ask them directly. (They're in Altadena). Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Help! root full but can't find a cause
On Tuesday 11 March 2003 08:45 pm, David E. Fox wrote: du -xsh /*Summary of the size of all dirs that are on /-partition serach the biggest dir and then go to that dir and do the same.=20 Hey - that's a very useful command. ;) It lists directories that could be located on their own file systems, though. Adding -x according to the man page for du suggests that it not count space mounted on other filesystems, But on my system /var is listed in that output, and /var is mounted on another partition. U, it could be that at one time /var was part of / and later it was mounted separately. A typical example is when a power failure bonks the partition where /var would be mounted, so the filesysatem check drops you into a shell (with logs running and a /var being created on / to accept the output) Now when the partition is mounted on /var, then the /var sitting in / is not destroyed, just suppressed. You could check the output you mention against du -xsh /var/* Civileme Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Help! root full but can't find a cause
On Monday 10 March 2003 03:17 am, Mark Weaver wrote: Hi list, I noticed this yesterday after receiving an error message from Mozilla that it couldn't send a message. So far I've been all over the filesystem every way I know how, but still can't find a reason for this condition. So far I've phyiscally examined the filesystem with mc and du to see if I could find an extra large file somewhere, but nothing is popping out. The only thing on the / filesystem is everything but /var and /usr. I'm suspicious of the manner in which /mnt may be affecting the root filesystem. Any ideas? FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 718M 674M 7.6M 99% / none 62M 0 61M 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda10618M 308M 310M 50% /home /dev/hdc1 643M 611M 0 100% /mnt/arc /dev/hda113.5G 2.1G 1.2G 61% /mnt/arc_2 /dev/hda6 1.4G 1.4G 26M 99% /usr /dev/hda7 934M 538M 349M 61% /var /dev/hda9 3.9G 906M 2.8G 24% /var/ftp /dev/hda8 1.1G 179M 869M 18% /var/www try this open a terminal su to root # mkdir -p /var/www/maxis # rm -r /tmp -f # ln -d /var/www/maxis /tmp mozilla uses /tmp for many things, including reassembling packets from a download into a file before moving the file to its final destination. /tmp is in / in your system ... After this little setting, you should be good to go even for downloading an .iso file. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Help! root full but can't find a cause
On Monday 10 March 2003 04:02 am, Brian wrote: On Monday 10 March 2003 07:54 am, civileme wrote: On Monday 10 March 2003 03:17 am, Mark Weaver wrote: Hi list, I noticed this yesterday after receiving an error message from Mozilla that it couldn't send a message. So far I've been all over the filesystem every way I know how, but still can't find a reason for this condition. So far I've phyiscally examined the filesystem with mc and du to see if I could find an extra large file somewhere, but nothing is popping out. The only thing on the / filesystem is everything but /var and /usr. I'm suspicious of the manner in which /mnt may be affecting the root filesystem. Any ideas? FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 718M 674M 7.6M 99% / none 62M 0 61M 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda10618M 308M 310M 50% /home /dev/hdc1 643M 611M 0 100% /mnt/arc /dev/hda113.5G 2.1G 1.2G 61% /mnt/arc_2 /dev/hda6 1.4G 1.4G 26M 99% /usr /dev/hda7 934M 538M 349M 61% /var /dev/hda9 3.9G 906M 2.8G 24% /var/ftp /dev/hda8 1.1G 179M 869M 18% /var/www try this open a terminal su to root # mkdir -p /var/www/maxis # rm -r /tmp -f # ln -d /var/www/maxis /tmp mozilla uses /tmp for many things, including reassembling packets from a download into a file before moving the file to its final destination. /tmp is in / in your system ... After this little setting, you should be good to go even for downloading an .iso file. Civileme Check the size of /var/log. It could be your log files are filling root. Brian E /var/log would be found in /var which seems to have plenty of room... Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Help! root full but can't find a cause
On Monday 10 March 2003 06:48 am, Mark Weaver wrote: et wrote: On Monday 10 March 2003 07:17 am, Mark Weaver wrote: Hi list, I noticed this yesterday after receiving an error message from Mozilla that it couldn't send a message. So far I've been all over the filesystem every way I know how, but still can't find a reason for this condition. So far I've phyiscally examined the filesystem with mc and du to see if I could find an extra large file somewhere, but nothing is popping out. The only thing on the / filesystem is everything but /var and /usr. I'm suspicious of the manner in which /mnt may be affecting the root filesystem. Any ideas? FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 718M 674M 7.6M 99% / none 62M 0 61M 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda10618M 308M 310M 50% /home /dev/hdc1 643M 611M 0 100% /mnt/arc /dev/hda113.5G 2.1G 1.2G 61% /mnt/arc_2 /dev/hda6 1.4G 1.4G 26M 99% /usr /dev/hda7 934M 538M 349M 61% /var /dev/hda9 3.9G 906M 2.8G 24% /var/ftp /dev/hda8 1.1G 179M 869M 18% /var/www bud,,, each entry in /mnt takes about 4 bytes in the / filespace so I would bet that ai'nt it tried deleting (or cleaning) /tmp on boot? Ha! My suspicions were correct. It was a problem with one if the dir's in /mnt. Following Stephens' suggestion I umounted everything mounted under /mnt and then ran the du command. /mnt showed up as weighing in at 609M. Just a few more bytes then 4, eh? So, liberally wacking the contents of that directory, (which happened to be part of my mp3 collection) the weight if / is now back down to 10% or 66M. The quesiton now is why was just /mnt/mp3 effecting / and not /mnt/arc (which is 650M and at 100%) or /mnt/arc_2 which is currently at 61% (2.1GB)? By they way...thanks to all that responded. Your comments and suggestions helped me to elliminate possible causes and focus in the direction of the real culprit. A little background info: the dir's /mnt/arc, /mnt/arc_2, and /mnt/mp3 are shared over nfs and samba. while I don't have any trouble RW to ?mnt/arc, /mnt/arc_2 there were some problems with /mnt/mp3. It would only allow R access to the filesystem. Until yesterday when I shut down nfs and samba, umounted /mnt/mp3 and then chown'd /mnt/mp3 to user.root, and then chmod'd it to 777. Once that was done I was able to write to that partition from the client machines over nfs and samba, but I suspect that it was at that time when / began to be 100% full. whats up with that? You had /mnt/mp3 created locally instead of mounted remotely--when the remote mount is in place, it will overtake the local, but when it is not you will have a valid local directory (since it is defined as a directory to be a mount point. You therefore did not have the remote mount working when you wrote to /mnt/mp3. Usually ro write to a remote nfs system when writes are blocked you have to check permissions on BOTH machines, and define a way for a write to happen... Check the remote mount through remote linuxconf or webmin. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
On Saturday 08 March 2003 07:02 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: I am interested. Of course I am. I want to find out if it really is a kernel or mobo problem. Unless I can prove that my mobo is not working right I have no chance of giving it back. If you can help me trace the exact problem I would be gratefull. I would love to bring back the motherboard to the shop and buy one with no problem (probably a A7N8X), but unless I can prove it is not working I have no chance. Unfortunatelly I know no diagnostics program which could help me prove that. So please help me trace the problem to the origin. I am not that much of an expert, but would love to see my system work. I am a programmer myself, but not that much into hardware level programming and linux is my newfound love (been fiddling with it for about 2 years now), but never had to go this deep to trace a problem. So please help. Best regards, Adrian Hmm, OK with vga=788 try linux mem=892M and go up or down in 4M increments until you reach an unbootable (or bootable) situation. At some point in the procedure you should encounter the situation that you receive an error message on the screen about bad bridge mapping. This would be definitive proof of a broken BIOS, not a faulty motherboard, but rather a design flaw. Most likely you can reproduce crashy behavior in the other OS by adding tasks until most of RAM is filled up, if further proof of a motherboard flaw is needed. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] [OT] SCO sues IBM over Linux and UNIX
, they would still need to explain how there were damages since they have allowed their IP to be used in UnitedLinux which is release under a GPL (regardless of IBM, since SCO has a stake in UnitedLinux and there IP is in the product, they have released their IP under a GPL). Anyway, as I have said before, IANAL, so I'll let the free software foundation make their arguments. I'm sure they will do a much better job than I could do! Joeb restrict it and everyone would still have access to it (so again, where is the damage to SCO). Unless they have a patent on some look and feel or technique that is comprehensive enough to cover this, or they see a DIRECT plagiarism of copyrighted code, they have no case. That is nothing new. Moreover, if they do hold patent to something, the chances are probably in excess of 90% that the patent can be proven to be crap. PAtent examiners are overloaded and are rewarded on the basis of patents granted, not for crap patents refused. Even in the 1920s, patents were very iffy things, and it was perhaps the Universal Oil Patent suit that had more to do with breaking the Standard Oil Trust than the government's antitrust prosecution. Basically patents ARE worthless until proven in court, but that doesn't matter, because a patent suit is such a drawn-out, expensive, lose/lose scenario that everyone wants to avoid it except for the threat of a land mine beneath anothers feet. My guess is that Scaldera is defunct and that this is a nuisance value suit to squeeze a last minim of cash out of a dying company before the executives vanish leaving the stockholders holding worthless paper. I wonder where the settlement from Microsoft got spent I do have some copies of transcripts from that trial, and I would encourage others to obtain them. The plaintiff in that old suit is prohibited from divulging particulars by the settlement agreement, but they are still public record Even though basically the defendant was shown to directly plagiarize the code, the suit took years and was settled out of court to avoid even more years of litigation But I don't think anyone is going to bring a generic linux box to court running kernel 2.4 or 2.5 and some Scaldera tech is going to be able to type in a code that reveals a Unixware copyright message. Certainly if Scaldera had viable and salable products, taking on IBM would be a terrible move, because the patents owned by IBM could be used to repeatedly challenge their product and tie up operating capital in escrow for the suration of the patent suits. IBM most likely owns those patents as a defensive measure, to help prevent such suits as this. By filing a suit of this nature, Scaldera is admitting that the company is no longer a player in the market. And we, the computing public, get to watch the nasty little dramas while Smith-Corona owns the idea of text inserted between other text Apple owns all desktop theming Unisys owns LZW compression (which is actually a mathematical fact) to make gif and tiff files A 7 year old boy holds patent on going sideways in a swing British Telecom own(ed) hyperlinks (that one has thankfully expired). Attorneys get rich producing nothing but paperwork for the USPTO to process. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
On Saturday 08 March 2003 03:03 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: I left it for a couple of minutes, but with no reaction and those lights on keyboard lighting (which normally don't light) I figured it crashed. Anyway, if that mode is not supported by my video card, why does that setting work with 512MB but it freezes as long as it has 1024MB RAM?!? Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: et [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore On Saturday 08 March 2003 06:48 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: OK. I fiddled some more with it (a few hours). None of the parameters you gave me worked. Same problem. With the enterprise kernel there is a small difference which I noticed just now (or at least in the 12mdk enterprise kernel from cooker). It lights Scroll lock and Caps lock but doesn't blink. They just stay on. I tried booting failsafe and what do you know... It booted and reported my memory ok (1.032.900k). Then I tried adjusting the 12mdk parameters one by one to reflect the ones in failsafe and I isolated this one to be causing the kernel panic: vga=788 I switched again all the parameters to the original from the 12mdk enterprise kernel but left this vga=788 out and it booted with no problem. What the heck is/does vga=788 and why does it cause PCs to freeze when 1G memory installed?!? :/ Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Todd Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore that number is a video mode, were was it that you changed it (in lilo? compileing a kernel? how long did you let the lockup sit? you may have just been booting using a mode your video card could not do, so rather than do a display that would hurt the card, you got no display, and it may have come back had you let it sit 3 mins with a working X, or at leasta command prompt --- - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com That happens because your BIOS is mapping video framebuffer across your memory In other words the BIOS is misreporting the bridge mappings. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
On Saturday 08 March 2003 04:07 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: Ummm... But then again. I can start X and run linux just fine after I boot without that parameter. Does that mean the mapping of the framebuffer is back to normal after boot?!? I would love to shove this motherboard up the manufacturers ... behind. :) But how come other OS (I hate to even pronounce M$ product names :) ) have no prob with it? Before I am going with my mobo back to the store where I bought it (though I have it since 4 months and doubt they would accept a refund just based on linux doesn't work with it with 1GB of ram...), I was wondering if there is anything else I could try to find out more about where it chokes so I can be 100% sure it is the mobo's fault and not the fault of linux? And BTW, I picked a random graphics mode at boot (vga=ask and selected 6 - 80x60) and it worked... Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore On Saturday 08 March 2003 03:03 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: I left it for a couple of minutes, but with no reaction and those lights on keyboard lighting (which normally don't light) I figured it crashed. Anyway, if that mode is not supported by my video card, why does that setting work with 512MB but it freezes as long as it has 1024MB RAM?!? That happens because your BIOS is mapping video framebuffer across your memory In other words the BIOS is misreporting the bridge mappings. Civileme Well, try two 1024Mb memory sticks and I bet you will see more than just the framebuffer problem. Windows does not use all of memory right away while linux does (unused memory is wasted memory) so I would imagine that IF windows trusts the BIOS for memory and peripheral maps that you would encounter crashing when your memory use of memory is similar to that of linux. This behavior is almost identical to a performance encountered in 2001 with 8.0 (2.4 kernel) on a Dell notebook when mem was upgraded from 128M to 256M. As soon as mem was upgraded past 192M, a Bad Bridge Mapping was encountered, and using the enterprise kernel resulted in an ACPI error reported on top of that. Windoze was oblivious to the problem entirely (I don't think it used the BIOS report of mapping of PCI Bridge, but it may never have used enough memory). Kernel 2.2, which is not built to trust the BIOS, worked fine even at full 512M. remember, the video framebuffer is independent of the normal X driver (and I am somewhat curious about the video card), and is supposed to use some memory. I find it strange that the normal kernel which uses about 892 or 896M of memory ran at 800 but not at 900... If you have interest, it might be instructive to find where exactly one encounters the kernel panic in terms of memory usage. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] /tmp size
On Saturday 08 March 2003 04:14 am, J. Grant wrote: I have a computer with only 128MB ram, it chuggs along very slowly in X Windows. in fstab there is a /tmp tempfs ramdisk, I commented it out so that it now uses the root /tmp. However, performace is still about the same, odd considering there should be about 64MB of ram extra available. Any ideas on speeding up this computer with only 128MB ram (more ram is not an option unfortunatly as the mobo has a broken socket, and 256MB ram does not work in the remaining socket). Cheers JG Well try a light WM like Blackbox with the ROX file manager. I think there are some posts about creating desktop icons in that situation in the newbie archives. KDE is hitting the disk ALL the time with positioning of windows update info, so disk buffering/caching is very very important to its performance. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: RPM database corruption [was [expert] the long history of kylix3 and mdk9 :)]
On Saturday 08 March 2003 04:29 am, Emerson de Mello wrote: Hi, A long time ago I used the Slackware, then I used tgz packages. When I knew the RPM was love the first sight, but now I see that it is not well what I waited. Some friends speak that apt is the best system of packages and for that they had spoken to me, it is really good. The Mandrake also could to have the APT :) However, the important one would be that all distributions GNU adopted one same manager of packages. [ ] Emerson BRAZIL ___ Busca Yahoo! O serviço de busca mais completo da Internet. O que você pensar o Yahoo! encontra. http://br.busca.yahoo.com/ Every system has its prices. rpm updates to different systems (rpm3 vs rpm4) and using the older system may break the newer, because more features were needed. rpm is not perfect but at least it is still changing. APT is pricey in two ways--it is hard to make packages for an follow all the rules (read hard to mean extremely time-consuming), and it's dpkg system is not easy to change... So far, no major changes have been needed, but how long can that last? Basically apt works so well because almost all dpkg repositories are mirrors of one central one But with rpm4 you can use rpms made by Yahoo and they work out of the box on Mandrake. You can (usually) use RH-specific rpms without a problem except perhaps unsatisifed dependencies or possibly conflicts with files supplied. rpm stops you if you try to do that, at least at a warning level. But if I want to make a dpkg and follow dpkg rules I have to examine EVERY SINGLE FILE offered by all existing dpkgs and make sure none of mine duplicate any of theirs in name or content. If I decide for valid engineering reasons to split one dpkg into two, I have a huge problem, whereas with rpm that is not much of a difficulty at all, though setting up the right update is tricky for rpm in that case(rpm has no built-in way to handle it, while dpkg appears to have no means at all to handle such an innovation). I am of course open to learning more about apt-get/dpkg, but what little I did learn, as a developer, really turned me off. That is the other cost. A fully regimented system for packaging means you have to find developers who are willing to use it. It is certainly possible to supply apt-get/rpm-get as part of a distro, but changing the packaging system of a distro is another matter entirely. In other words, what packaging system a distro uses is a management decision based on multiple cost factors which are not always readily apparent. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Phone Line Networking Driver - Linksys HPN200 NIC
On Saturday 08 March 2003 05:38 am, Kiran wrote: I found this on Google.. http://www.ale.org/archive/ale/ale-2002-09/msg00205.html Hope that helps On Fri, 2003-02-28 at 07:40, Dennis Lyon wrote: Does anyone know of a driver to support this card? (I am running MD 9.0) And, if so, where would I find the detailed instructions on how to add to the kernel? Thanks Dennis Lyon The bcm5700 driver is in kernel 2.4.21pre4 Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
On Friday 07 March 2003 01:30 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: :/ I just bought another 512MB DDR PC333 module for my PC and now my linux won't boot anymore. I tried an update from CD, installer doesn't work either. Memory just went through a 3 hours memtest86 and no error found. Windows handles it OK (I have a dual boot with Win2k pro). It just loads lilo, but when selecting linux it goes into a black screen and doesn't react to any commands. The Scroll lock and Caps lock leds are blinking continuously. :( At first I thought my installation is broken and tried to start the linux install from CD again and do an upgrade so it would reinstall the kernel. When starting the installer same problem. It loads the first screen OK, but whatever option for the installer I select it still freezes with those leds blinking. :( I even tried passing mem=1024M as parameter just to make sure, but still no go. :( I thought the current releases of the kernel handled OK up to 1Gig of ram. As far as I remember you needed compiled support in it only for 1G ram. Also as far as I remember having more memory than linux kernel can handle produced no freeze. It just showed and used less than you have. :( Please help. :( Best regards, Adrian IF someone hasn't already pointed it out, the kernel takes the memory and bridge map from the BIOS unles you override it. Dell was infamous for bad bridge mapping on the BIOS for at least a couple of their inspiron notebooks (try to take an i4000 over 256M and see), but it may not be the only culprit on the block. Kernel 2.2 actually worked on the i4000 up to 512M but then 2.2 did not trust the BIOS, ever. try escape on LILO and linux mem=zyzM where xyz is somewhat less than the total mem (allowing for shared video etc), and of course somewhat less than 900M if you are hoping to install or use the standard kernel (use the enterprise kernel for more than 1G). You might also try booting with one of the alt install kernels (Some of them are 2.2 based) and running an update, selecting kernel-enterprise as a new package to install. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
On Friday 07 March 2003 08:23 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: Also I checked and mem=960M doesn't help and the enterprise kernel has same problem. I tried lowering the mem value even further and with 900 didn't work. With 800 it worked (both distro kernel and enterprise). :/ Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Adrian Golumbovici [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: Fw: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore Here is an answer I got from someone trying to help. If there is a fault in high-mem maybe someone could fix this before the release? On the other hand, Joerg since you seem to know more about this problem, could you post it as a bug in the mandrake bugzilla? I would really like to see this thing fixed before the release or this release will be useless to me. :( Thanx Joerg for the info. Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Joerg Mertin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adrian Golumbovici [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore Hi Mate, the problem is known (Well, to me at least). Give at the command line mem=960M and the problem should go away. It's the High-mem stuff that is faulty. I did circumvent that problem in the past this way. I had recompiled my own kernel, but don't know what patch I added by that time to fix it (Having a Netserver LH4 with 2 GByte of Ram and Raid5). Maybe you can post this to the list - my E-Mail address is somehow blacklisted at the moment. Cheers Joerg On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: :/ I just bought another 512MB DDR PC333 module for my PC and now my linux won't boot anymore. I tried an update from CD, installer doesn't work either. Memory just went through a 3 hours memtest86 and no error found. Windows handles it OK (I have a dual boot with Win2k pro). It just loads lilo, but when selecting linux it goes into a black screen and doesn't react to any commands. The Scroll lock and Caps lock leds are blinking continuously. :( At first I thought my installation is broken and tried to start the linux install from CD again and do an upgrade so it would reinstall the kernel. When starting the installer same problem. It loads the first screen OK, but whatever option for the installer I select it still freezes with those leds blinking. :( I even tried passing mem=1024M as parameter just to make sure, but still no go. :( I thought the current releases of the kernel handled OK up to 1Gig of ram. As far as I remember you needed compiled support in it only for 1G ram. Also as far as I remember having more memory than linux kernel can handle produced no freeze. It just showed and used less than you have. :( Please help. :( Best regards, Adrian -- --- - | Joerg Mertin : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (Home)| in Neuchâtel/Schweiz : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (Work)| Stardust's LiNUX System : | | PGP 2.6.3in Key on Demand : Voice Fax: +41(0)32 / 725 52 | 54 | --- - Home-Page: http://www.solsys.org --- - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com If it worked with 800 it IS a damnable broken BIOS. My guess is that Win2K will fail when it tries to use all of memory as well because it also believes the BIOS about bridge mappings, but of course that won't happen until windows has to use more than 800M. Civileme Try upgrading the BIOS if one is offered. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] finding security holes
On Friday 07 March 2003 02:23 pm, Leonardo wrote: i've just finished setting up a mdk9.0 server with postfix, mailman, iptables and apache. Things are going fine, but I would like to know how can I detect any security breaches on my system to prevent possible hacker invasions. I've been using the netstat command but there should be others... Thanks in advance, Leonardo Sá Recife, Brazil Well your html messages aren't going to get too many answers, cause most folks filter them out. I occasionally scan my trash for list messages, so I saw yours. What you want is to sign up for the security advirories list and stay updated. If you want a real firewall put it on a machine between you and the net connection. MNF, which is free to download does a wonderful job, and still allows you to forward ports your server uses to the server. Nothing like Norton's Personal Firewall exists which will notify you about regular net traffic (remember personal firewall will claim an ftp connection on port 21 is the WinCrash trojan cause it sometimes also uses port 21). You can activate prelude and watch the logs, and you can load chkrootkit, and you can compile the kernel specifically for your machine with all modules compiled in and none loading, which helps proof against rootkits, but remember linux is by nature much much more secure than the best lockdown you can put on windows. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mdk 9.0 on old tack
On Tuesday 04 March 2003 08:26 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 04 Mar 2003 3:05 pm, et wrote: On Tuesday 04 March 2003 09:29 am, Anne Wilson wrote: I have tried without success to install onto a very old box, IBM/Cyrix cpu. It really isn't worth fighting too much, but I'd like to have one more go at it. All I have got, so far, is as far as the initial screen, F1, and first try, typed 'linux nopentium noapic'. This brought just a blank screen. I then tried to run one of the alternative kernels(?), but putting alt1 into the same statement, but this was obviously wrong, because just before the blank screen I saw that it was loading the alt0 kernel. a) What is the correct syntax for trying the alternatives? b) Is there anything else worth trying - before I kick the box out? g Anne also if it has an onboard video card, giving the mem=xxxM statements where xxx= the amount of installed memeory minus the amount shared with the video. as well as remembering to turn off Plug and play aware OS? The on-board video is turned off - I have always preferred separate sound cards, though I believe on-board audio is improving. I'm beginning to suspect that Mark is right, and it simply doesn't support the cpu. Anne Actually the 6x86 is fully i586 compatible But remember The Pentium had the f00f bug The AMD K6 had a bug which had no linux kernel workaround The Cyrix had the coma bug (the two execution units could be bus-locked in a loop each waiting for the other to complete, and both masking ALL interrupts) Note that his is a hardware/microprogramming/architecture flaw, not a kernel limitation. When certain code hits the processor at the right time and gets split between the two execution units in the wrong way, a logic interlock occurs. Most likely the newest kernel is not set up to avoid the coma bug--it is subtle and cannot be avoided in compiled languages, only by inspecting the assembly or machine output could we see if it is invoked, and that is a LOT of machine code to examine. I have used Cyrix processors extensively. They were all 6x86 or M series and all performed well on most tasks though they had a tendency to run hot. The non-i686 compliant Chips one might be thinking of is the continutaion of the IDT Winchip series -- the VIA C3 which is actually emulated by the Transmeta. There We DO have a problem with the kernel not properly identifying the processor (i686 when it is only i586) but only the 9.0 kernel and there is a workaround. Yes an earlier kernel (alt1,alt2) is certainly worth trying. You do not need nopentium which is a dodge for the K6/K7 to avoid a memory paging error. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Filter question
On Monday 03 March 2003 05:50 am, Pierre Fortin wrote: On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:17:01 + Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In kmail I set a filter on message contains html or lthtmlgt - nothing got filtered, so I changed it to body contains html. or lthtmlgt, which works. However, it also traps some that are sent in both formats. Since these display correctly for me I would rather not filter them. Is there any way round this? Anne Idon't use kmail; but html uses lt;htmlgt; -- note the semi-colons HTH For filtering out ONLY html with KMail Content-type contains text/html Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Contribs
On Sunday 02 March 2003 02:14 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: civileme wrote: On Friday 28 February 2003 12:38 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Wow, one effect of cutting the html in this is that I lost your text as well, Anne. Anyway a filter rule has been set message contains lthtmlgt move to folder trash. I won't worry about anyone's sending me html again. Civileme Civileme, I'm curious. did you set that in a procmail recipe or in the client filters? I suppose it could be either, but it is in the KMail filters Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Contribs
On Friday 28 February 2003 12:38 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Wow, one effect of cutting the html in this is that I lost your text as well, Anne. Anyway a filter rule has been set message contains lthtmlgt move to folder trash. I won't worry about anyone's sending me html again. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Slipstreaming 9.0 Updates
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 10:51 pm, Tom wrote: On Thursday 20 February 2003 12:41 am, Greg Meyer wrote: Does anybody know how I would create a slipstreamed set of installation disks for 9.0 that included all the security updates. Is it as easy as copying the new packages to the cd images and removing the older version? or is there some kind of remastering process that must happen? Greg,please excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by slipstreamed ? I have not heard of that term. I dunno what slipstream means either, but, I will hazard a guess about updating the CDs-- make directories, replace packages ./gendepslist to make a new hdlist.cz, then install once and make3 a floppy of the package selections, since the categorical selections will no longer relate to the packages. I personally make an install completion CD to run the updates off a fourth CD after the regular install is done (plus Java, RealPlayer, Yahoo Instant Messenger, etc) with a very short Python routine that calls rpm for each of the packages and after checking that user desktops have been activated puts icons on the desktop for a few items that don't go on menu. I also add some menu entries for the simplified menu cause I want OpenOffice to pop up there instead of KOffice or the Gnome stuff. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Abit KT7 RAID MB (VIA chipset)
On Thursday 27 February 2003 03:19 pm, J. Grant wrote: Hi Civilme, Thanks for the reply. well first of all, if you can split ide drives to one per channel, that would be more efficient. ONly one device per channel on IDE may be active, and two disks on the same channel really slows down disk-to-disk operations ok, I will give this a go soon. Next a DTLA and a DTTA on the same channel is a wide difference in timing specs. This leaves enough room for echo bounce on a signal gating line to cause mischief. It is not that hard to move a drive if the installed systems have the /etc/fstab modified (of course with any winsystems we have a little more work) to recognize the new location. no more winbloat here :) The WD should not be paired on any channel with any other hard drive,because its timing is very strange compared to the others and data can be eaten by timing chatter. It is safely default configured as you can see, peaked at udma2 ok, so is this what the linux kernel does when it boots up? it gives all those errors DriveSeek etc, then says device reset DMA disabled i think it was. I would definitely try limiting the DTLA to udma2 as well --it appears to be set initially for udma3 the DTTA can go to udma4 or perhaps more. in the hpt bios I noticed some strange config. WD80GB can be set upto UDMA2 only. DTLA 60GB can be set upto UDMA5 max, DTLA 10GB can be set upto UDMA2 max. So it seems strange that the WD can not go upto a faster speed as its ata100 hpt etc. drakopt is in /contribs these days, but it does an alternative test and setup for tuning, and it runs in python. It may be able to set the drives where they run reliably. It requires some manual asistance yet because I never had time to finish the parser for error messages nor to make the settings within 2% of each other in tested speed brothers and to choose the brother with the highest noise immunity. Still you might find the program useful for performing all the tests of various hdparm settings--none of those are dangerous to existing data. i downloaded drakopt. Unfortunatly it does not support my drives: OPTIONS: (A)--Abort (N)--New (or you changed disks around) (C)--Continue from a previous run Your Choice (N/c/a) n Drive WDCWD800BB00CAA1 not found in database Attempting to use capabilities line in hdparm -i Please report driveid to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Capabilities line not available this drive model No optimizations possible this program Drive IBMDTLA307060 not found in database Attempting to use capabilities line in hdparm -i Please report driveid to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Capabilities line not available this drive model No optimizations possible this program Drive IBMDTTA351010 not found in database Attempting to use capabilities line in hdparm -i Please report driveid to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Capabilities line not available this drive model No optimizations possible this program I tried it on my laptop and the same problem existed. I emailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] with my aditions from my laptop and it bounced back. Is there no maintainer now? Are you still working on it at all? I added my laptop drive to the config but it still would not run... I strongly suspect a timing problem between the two IBM drives and I would suggest splitting them to different channels as a first step. The slow performance appears to be a fallback setting from probable timing crosstalk. Civileme Also, there were some interesting logs about my system for you. Strange that: /dev/hdh1 /mnt/backup ext3 defaults,user,auto 1 2 only works when uncomented after boot, it will not mount at all during bootup for some reason. Feb 23 12:50:34 now1g kernel: ext3: No journal on filesystem on ide3(34,65) Feb 23 12:50:34 now1g mount: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdh1, Feb 23 12:50:34 now1g mount:or too many mounted file systems Feb 23 12:50:34 now1g netfs: Mounting other filesystems: failed Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hda: DMA disabled Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hdc: DMA disabled Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: ide2: BM-DMA at 0xe800-0xe807, BIOS settings: hde:DMA, hdf:pio Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: ide3: BM-DMA at 0xe808-0xe80f, BIOS settings: hdg:DMA, hdh:DMA Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hda: LG DVD-ROM DRD-8120B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hdc: CR-48X5TE, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hde: WDC WD800BB-00CAA1, ATA DISK drive Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hdg: IBM-DTLA-307060, ATA DISK drive Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hdh: IBM-DTTA-351010, ATA DISK drive Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: ide2 at 0xd800-0xd807,0xdc02 on irq 11 Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: ide3
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 12:36 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 25 Feb 2003 10:50 pm, civileme wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 11:12 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 25 Feb 2003 7:43 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: The bottom line is that if you use the LM distros and you have the extra jack, which amounts to the cost of a magazine subscription, then you should be sending that money to the Mandrake club or getting a boxed set from Mandrakesoft. That's only the right thing to do. This should be punctuated with the realization that the survival of the company, the paychecks of the development teams, the other employee's paychecks and the quality of life of their families are all at stake. In other words a little compassion and a magazine subscription will go a long way, not just for you truly but also for the future of everybody else involved. LX - I have read your views on this before, and I do agree with them. Am I right in thinking, though, that it benefits MandrakeSoft more if I use downloads and use the savings on the club? Last time I bought a boxed set, but if this is so I will use the downloads and go for an upgraded club membership. Anne If you buy a boxed set from mandrakestore, they see about half the proceeds. If you buy a boxed set from a computer store or office supply, they see about $4 for out of the price. If you buy a club membership, they see more than half of the proceeds after covering costs. Civileme - interested from a business pov - 'covering costs' of the club? I imagine most of that is labour costs? Presumably there are optimum numbers of club members for those costs? If we get more members, would the 'share' received increase? Anne Of course. It is a far superior purchase for both sides unless someone really needs support, in which case a packaged product or one of the products sold wiht extensive support (like MNF) is the customer's choice. But for many users, Mandrake Club is the win/win situation. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 12:53 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 12:53 am, Ric Tibbetts wrote: Mandrake releases X.0, X.1, X.2. Then it jumps to Y.0, Y.1, Y.2. It has nothing to do with point releases or version releases. Technically, they are ALL version releases. Which was exactly my point. Seems to me there is logic in the MandrakeSoft model, but not the logic we (and other users) expect. This is, in fact, a big problem that needs to be considered. Whether Mdksft like it or not, people expect point releases to be 'fixes' and version releases to be major. It used to be said 'Never buy any software in a .0 release', but in this context all Mandrake releases are .0 releases. This keeps it at the bleeding edge, but never quite as 'finished' as some users not only want, but need. I don't have any answers. Maybe being 'bleeding edge' is the USP of Mandrake. I only know that business decisions like this are never simple, but it is essential to keep in mind the perceptions of those outside the company. Anne Well, version 5 to 6 changed the kernel version, 6 to 7 changed the installer to a GUI, and backported things from the 2.3 kernel like UDMA, 7 to 8 changed the compiler, the glibc and the kernel, and 8 to 9 changed binary compatibility of rpms, the bare essentials of GTK+ to GTK2, and KDE to version 3. 9.0 and 9.1 rpms can work together, but the compiler is finally a departure from 2.96 which has been the workhorse since 8.0 (none of the gcc3.xy releases tested as reliably til now). Every release has new features. If you want stable as in server use there is Corporate Server, and MNF. If you want stable (mostly bug-free) desktop, there is Debian(and if Mandrake did as suggested, withholding new features til a major number change, it would be as out of date as Debian and in an entirely different market, well maybe not quite---it is easier to build rpms than dpkgs--the price for smooth updates is VERY high). The point is that you CANNOT have a lot of new features only on the break of the major number and remain competitive. The release every six months is only one product, which most seem to use for everything and _expect_ to be everything. And some of the reasoning I have seen employed in this thread is, stick with the big ones, they'll be around, even if they don't have all the bells and whistles, and they have Certification programs, too I seem to have heard that described before on some website... http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hills/9267/fuddef.html Yes, there it is... Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 01:02 am, Vahur Lokk wrote: On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:39, you wrote: And don't forget the obvious Office is like 95% loaded if you use windows... compare that to loading ALL of OpenOffice. Yes here is the point. Especially when low spec boxes come into play. Old Pentium running Win9x and MSO is absolutely viable office conf running well and fast. And such boxes are very much in use around here. Now try running Linux with OpenOffice on such a box. There is absolutely no way to achieve comparable perfomance, whatever distro, kernel, window manager you run. In fact, comparing GUI loading times does not matter for me - its usually once-a-day event. But if loading times of OOo and MSO differ in minutes not seconds it is a showstopper. And no good explanation helps. Also suggestions to use something else instead of OOo monster are completely useless. Wahur As I said, if you want to compare apples to apples, load OO ONCE on desktop 2 and switch to it--that is what Windows is doing with MSO, or the nearest achievable equivalent. And if you want performance on a Pentium of that vintage, try running Mandrake 7.1 and having StarOffice 5.1 loaded on desktop 2 (Use the Autostart folder to put it there). Then you will have comparable performance except you can be doing more tasks on Mandrake. I amazed people at a local Computer Renaissance when loading a copy of Mandrake for a business customer. One of the CDs would not read on the target machine (media vs drive error on a brand-new drive) so I used a Mandrake Demonstrator there to burn a copy of the CD which would read. While burning, I was printing the user manual I had prepared and also showing someone how to connect to the internet using the machine and MCC And then I burned a copy of another CD (showing how backing up could be done). The store techs were floored. They had a hyped-up dual P4 running win2K server and when they were burning they could not do anything else, and they HAD to reset after burning or the next CD they burned would have only a directory and no retrievable data. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] western digital 400jd, alternate jumpersettings and mandrake
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 03:37 am, Arie de Waart wrote: Hello, I have a i586(p166mmx,192 mb ram),mandrake 9.0 and a 40 GB harddisk. My motherboard regnizes harddisk up to 8,4 GB. So i have to use the alternate jumpersettings. Does Mandrake 9.0 recognize this or have i buy a new ide-controller?? The motherboard BIOS is limited in what it can recognize You need to put all bootable op systems with at least one partition in that 8.4G limit, and if you have a linux /boot partition in there, make it a primary lest Windows lose track of all its extended partitions (put all winpartitions of the extended kind numerically before linux extended partitions or windows will become _very_ confused) But actually Dual-booting on this machine is a VERY bad idea. You use some sort of BIOS extension software(loaded from the disk before regular boot) for windows, and you don't for linux. I have seen this cause problems time and again. And if you eventually upgrade to a newer board, I recommend COPYING the data to a non-WD disk, cause above udma2 WD is ... bad juju. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:43 am, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Hi List! I looking for a very cheap mother-board and faced PC Chips 810 with SIS 730S chipset and ASRock K7VM2 withe VIA KM266 chipset. Are there any serious issues about these mbs with MDK 9.0? I'm concerned about if my Voodoo 3 3000 AGP 2x is compatible with them. Any help would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. Cheers, --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Well both those boards have on-board video and it would be a good idea to check that the slot is there for your Voodoo. MOREOVER, make sure the AGP slot is for 2X AGP, not for the 4X/8X which has _different_ voltages and keying and will not fit the older cards, and would fry them or the Mobo if it did fit. The 810 I have seen has no AGP slot at all. The KM266 is also a problem cause it has the WRONG AGP slot. Neither board has accelerated 3d viable in linux at this time. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 08:38 am, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Hi Civileme! On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, civileme wrote: The 810 I have seen has no AGP slot at all. The KM266 is also a problem cause it has the WRONG AGP slot. Neither board has accelerated 3d viable in linux at this time. I could check that ASRock supports AGP 1x,2x and 4x. Please, since I plan to use my Voodoo 3 3000, what do you mean with _WRONG AGP slot_? Oh boy, as Aaron pointed out, it's really like a Russian roulette. Cheers, --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil There are two protocols for AGP, the 1,2,4X with one set of keyings and voltages, and the newer 8x/4X which has a different jkeying in the slot to keep older cards from being plugged in (and good thing too, cause the voltages are different) I double-checked from ASRock's web site. It appears the K7VM2 is OK but the K7S8X will have the wrong slot for your Voodoo The K7VM2 has the on-board ProSavage which in my experience is highly temperamental, on some linux distros giving screen noise during disk access, and almost impossible to disable. I got it running on 9.0 but it took a fair amount of tweaking and is not an experience I would like to repeat (consider this from someone who has the rep of being able to install linux on a toaster). If it is within your price range (and I see similar prices here in the US), may I suggest the ASUS A7N266-VM? It requires DDR memory, is micro-ATX in form factor, and its on-board video and audio and LAN all work under 8.2 and 9.0. If you taint the kernel with the proprietary NVidia Drivers, you will also have 3D accel suitable to all purposes and superior to the performance of your Voodoo 3 3000, then you can find another board for the Voodoo, cause the slot on the NForce board from ASUS is 8X/4X and will not fit Voodoos. I did have one and I had to sell it to pay rent. It was a sweet performer. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] High System Load on disk activity
0 1332 1332 820 R25.3 0.0 3:23 top 5548 root 10 0 512 512 440 D10.9 0.0 0:09 cp 24561 www9 0 29456 10M 6172 D 0.0 0.6 0:41 httpd 5294 mysql 9 0 229M 226M 1184 D 0.0 14.9 0:00 mysqld procs memoryswap io system cpu r b w swpd free buff cache si sobibo incs us sy id 1 8 1 42636 31616 17280 1133684 0 0 10132 15848 729 563 11 17 73 0 10 1 42632 31200 17332 1134084 0 0 412 11816 443 185 1 5 94 1 6 1 42620 30992 17416 1134344 0 0 15200 10684 725 746 5 28 67 3 7 0 42620 32016 17488 1133476 0 0 6276 18580 713 422 15 84 1 4 3 1 42620 31060 17496 1134468 0 0 6180 8080 604 411 9 91 0 3 5 1 42620 31060 17528 1133944 0 0 11952 18676 793 513 14 86 0 2 8 1 42616 30500 17560 1134116 32 0 204 13876 497 248 4 17 80 2 8 1 42616 31264 17576 1132264 0 0 20576 15700 966 967 30 35 36 1 5 0 42616 31404 17648 1133588 0 0 3528 23448 1052 495 13 13 75 0 6 1 42616 31332 17676 1133400 0 0 16860 18296 851 740 4 18 78 5 2 0 42600 30752 17636 1134312 56 0 5528 14280 646 320 4 76 20 2 3 0 42600 31340 17800 1133148 0 0 8264 11276 674 516 16 84 0 4 6 0 42600 31352 17808 1132960 0 0 5236 0 593 545 30 70 0 2 2 0 42600 32028 17808 1131484 0 0 6772 0 857 806 42 57 1 3 3 0 42600 31360 17808 1130852 0 0 3440 0 638 629 40 60 0 And more extreme, if i move a large directory (4.6GB) quick snapshot before move: 5:12pm up 27 days, 3:49, 6 users, load average: 1.25, 1.08, 1.11 During move: 5:16pm up 27 days, 3:53, 6 users, load average: 7.57, 3.93, 2.21 369 processes: 368 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 28.7% user, 57.8% system, 0.0% nice, 13.3% idle Mem: 1551472K av, 1519628K used, 31844K free, 0K shrd, 31804K buff Swap: 2097136K av, 4K used, 2048248K free 1120272K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 5120 thorsten 17 0 1332 1332 820 R25.0 0.0 15:00 top 6212 root 9 0 688 688 464 D 8.3 0.0 0:16 mv 6302 mysql 9 0 233M 222M 1500 D 0.6 14.6 0:00 mysqld 3871 mysql 9 0 233M 222M 1500 D 0.2 14.6 0:08 mysqld 6257 mysql 9 0 233M 222M 1500 D 0.2 14.6 0:00 mysqld 6194 mysql 9 0 233M 222M 1500 D 0.1 14.6 0:00 mysqld 6290 mysql 9 0 233M 222M 1500 D 0.1 14.6 0:00 mysqld procs memoryswap io system cpu r b w swpd free buff cache si sobibo incs us sy id 12 5 1 67424 31140 24336 1127380 0 0 12768 8104 915 837 36 63 1 3 17 1 67424 32564 24376 1125796 0 0 3956 16064 739 431 46 54 0 6 3 0 67552 32324 24348 1124728 0 0 9244 12160 753 606 41 58 1 3 11 1 68960 32856 24572 1127092 32 1528 9764 14744 970 775 42 58 0 1 16 1 68960 32296 24604 1127500 0 0 412 12176 482 178 16 84 0 0 14 0 68960 32808 24620 1127760 0 0 260 4980 420 312 10 8 83 2 8 1 69600 30464 24636 1129840 20 0 18088 15224 1021 1025 22 32 46 0 16 0 69600 31668 24704 1128148 0 0 140 14788 513 208 3 9 88 1 8 0 69600 31892 24832 1128680 0 0 412 5636 410 283 2 4 94 2 10 1 69600 32488 24996 1128272 0 0 11736 8212 1136 1260 11 39 50 Huh. i'm looking over my figures and nothing looks too terrible to read, however my real problem is the user front end, as all our web sites rely on the backed mysql server, which really seems unusable, waiting several minutes for a page to load. i may not be coherent enough to be of much help to myself. :) i've been trying to track this down for days now, so any one has any advice as to what to look for next, it would be much appreciated. thanks, thorsten Offhand I would expect you have hit a condition in a filesystem. You say move does that mean delete as well? If so and if you are using XFS, that is normal. XFS seems to do something really interesting with deletion, perhaps some form of defragging of open space. if you are using ext2 I would be shocked by this behavior, but the journaling filesystems do have additional overhead. Let's get a little better description of your setup and see if someone can reproduce the behavior. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 12:13 pm, flacycads wrote: If you are referring to me, my /etc/hosts file is correct (not empty), and my hard drives are tweaked with hdparm, and have been since I started Linux about 9 months ago. I also only run the services I actually need, and compile lean as possible kernels. However, I know I could use more ram on these machines, and that would help the performance. I also use only the best ram, and have been a serious overclocker at times, and know the ins and outs of that, although at present I'm not overclocking while I'm trying to really learn about my Linux systems. I've made a pretty serious effort to tune my Mandrake install, and read everything I could find on the subject, but of course I'm all ears for any advice anyone wants to offer, and it will certainly be appreciated. I can use all the knowledge I can get, and this great expert list has really helped me tremendously. I came from a Mac/windows background, and have many years experience tweaking them for maximun performance. BTW, someone mentioned windows won't use all the memory. That's not exactly correct- you can edit the System.ini file to force windows to use all available ram before using the swap file. This works really well for those with a lot of ram. You can also make edits to control the loading and unloading of .dlls, among many other settings edits that affect performance. I only mention this because I've been trying to figure out if there are similar modifications in Linux- there doesn't seem to be much written about this- at least I haven't run across much. And of course I still have a lot to learn about the /etc/file possiblities. My main concern is not how fast an OS boots, or how fast applications load into ram, it's how good the response/performance is afterwards. Which is, of course, where lots of ram and a fast cpu works wonders, with Linux or windows. Robert Crawford On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:11 pm, et wrote: On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:39 am, civileme wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:17 pm, Jack Coates wrote: Not to turn it into a WM flamewar, but are you using KDE or GNOME? Either fullblown environment can make the experience a lot slower in my experience. It's also possible and fun to throw Linux's performance down the stairs in ways that Windows simply won't do, such as pixmapped themes and running graphic programs in the root-window. Go easy on the eye-candy, get faster response. Last but not least, there are definitely issues with XFree86 that won't be going away. For one thing, X is a user space program and the Win32 GDI is kernel space, ring 0, ever since NT 4.0. This is changing with DRI, but at the same cost of decreased stability which plagues NT video. Also, X's video card support tends to be a bit flaky in my experience, which is to say it's a crap-shoot if running a 3d program is going to produce software rendering, hardware rendering, static across the top 3rd of my screen, or a video card lockup (all of these have happened this week with a Voodoo3 and an i815). I don't think that XFree86 gets the same sort of attention that Windows drivers get, since driver debugging that goes past the point of it works on the primary developer's machine is not very fun. dos centavos, Jack On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 21:36, flacycads wrote: OK- you're correct- I don't speak for everyone, and my choice of words was unfortunate. Please accept my apology. However, my experience on several dual boot boxes with different versions of windows and Linux has always been that overall computer performance is significantly better when booted to windows. I'm sorry, but that's what happens- there's no question about it. Of course I do have any windows installation I run highly tweaked and tuned to perfection( as good as is possible), and perhaps I can tweak my Linux installs a little more than I presently have. Robert Crawford On Tuesday 25 February 2003 07:26 pm, et wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 05:01 pm, Joe Braddock wrote: ---Original Message--- From: flacycads [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02/25/03 05:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control? snip Anyone who dual boots with windows on the same hardware knows that windows ... And don't forget the obvious Office is like 95% loaded if you use windows... compare that to loading ALL of OpenOffice. So if you are comparing Windows performance in this area, try opening OpenOffice on Desktop 2 and just ticking it on the taskbar, Same for Konqueror/Mozilla/Phoenix/Opera vs MSIE That is not to say there are not slower areas in linux. Video drivers are a problem (strange
Re: [expert] Contribs
E, pardon my intrusion but I think you might want to check your mailer settings. I am sure you didn't want to send html to the list On Wednesday 26 February 2003 01:16 pm, Ron Stodden wrote: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RC2 must be coming.
On Monday 24 February 2003 08:43 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Mon, 2003-02-24 at 17:36, Todd Lyons wrote: Lyvim Xaphir wrote on Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 12:46:46PM -0500 : I think things are moving a little too fast. There are alot of new people getting involved with cooker development, and I feel like 9.1 is going to be released before this leverage reaches full potential. I just started bugzilla posting myself this weekend, and already they are pushing towards rc2. I think that it's more important that this distro be bullet proof, than it is for it to be released early in order to make a grab for sales. If it's bulletproof, then the sales will be there. More people should have gotten involved earlier. There's been a month of betas and plain Cooker before that. The beta cycle started a month ago, Precisely, and that is what I would like to know about. Yes I know that historically Mandrake has had a 6 month release cycle. However I have seen other projects much less complicated than the Mandrake distro tackled with much longer beta cycles, and most of the time the benefits were substantial. So the question I have is, why the short beta cycle? Is it because Red Hat does it too? Take for example the distro obsolescence announcement that RH put out not too long ago. It did not escape me that Mandrake turned around and made the same move shortly thereafter. There are alot of anologies between the RH releases and the Mandrake releases. RH phoebe v8.1beta3 2003/02/19 LM 91RC1 2003/02/18 RH psyche v8.02002/09/30 LM dolphin 9.02002/09/25 RH Valhalla v7.32002/05/06 LM bluebird 8.2 2002/03/18 RH enigma v7.2 2001/10/22 LM vitamin 8.1 2001/09/27 RH seawolf v7.1 2001/04/16 LM traktopel 8.02001/04/20 RH guiness v7.0 2000/08/30 RH zoot v6.2 2000/03/08 LM ulysses 7.22000/10/30 LM helium 7.1 2000/06/13 LM air v7.0 2000/01/14 RH cartman v6.1 1999/09/27 RH hedwig v6.01999/04/19 LM helios v6.11999/09/14 LM venus v6.0 1999/05/27 LM festen 5.3 1999/02/11 RH apollo v5.21998/10/14 LM leeloo v5.21998/12/01 RH manhattan v5.1 1998/05/11 LM venice 5.1 1998/07/23 I note that above RH and LM are neck and neck except for years 1999 and 2000, where Mandrakesoft released one MORE distro than RH did. Is six months or one month beta time (or LESS) a sacred cow? These questions are not even really originally my own, they were raised by a friend of mine (a fan of LM) to me in casual conversation. As I had not considered it before, I didn't have an answer. Now that I see no dust on the 9.0 boxes, I begin to wonder myself. The reality is that six months is where sales of boxed sets take a nose dive. The need to put paychecks before developers who are giving 80-90 hours a week to the effort dictates the release schedule. If mandrake were supported the way Enlightenment is, then you would see a relaxed release schedule depending on spare time of volunteers, just as it is with E 0.17 which will appear someday when people least expect it and be nigh on to perfection out of the box. But if that is what you desire, consider Debian, or Mandrake Corporate Server which has a 12-month development cycle. The voting system is just now beginning to impact the distro development process btw, and it's sucking people in, and yes people are scrambling. But these things take time. and now that code freeze has hit is when people start screaming. All the things people are begging for now should have been asked for last month. Now that it's too late, people are saying delay it. Well the schedule was announced a month ago. A month ago is when people should have started this discussion. Perhaps the fans and customers *are* annoying at times. But no matter how much they may be, the fact remains that the sharks and snakes outside the mailing lists out there in the internet media world are ten times worse. These are your buddies here, not your enemies. I do agree that the need for information to your common masses is needed, because not everybody is in a position to either a) gain access to current cooker quick enough on a regular basis to launch their own private development campaign or b) has other reasons why they can't participate, such as RL. I'm a good example; I could be billing for time right now rather than writing this and syncing up with a cooker mirror. Alot of people on the lists have valid opinions or questions as fans or customers, but have other things to do other than concentrate on another mailing list that they wouldn't be able to participate in anyway; when they could be informed on the non-development lists with a synopsis from a veteran such as civileme. Another idea to keep in mind
Re: [expert] stripped down Mandrake version
On Monday 24 February 2003 09:05 pm, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: Hello, I am working to put together a project and want to base it on the lattest Mandrake Linux so that as newer versions of your product come out the we can upgrade the components easily. This will also help to promote Mandrake as the base operating system. What I need to do is to have the smallest version of Mandrake that I can put together. The basic features of mandrake that I need are: 1. Latest kernel 2. Latest Xfree86 3. network/ppp support 4. base ext3 filesystem 5. NFS 6. XDMCP/XDM 7. simple csh shell. 8. rpm facilities The idea is that I need the absolute smallest possible distrabution of Mandrake that can cover these requirements. It would be optimum if we could keep the entire thing under 40MB for less if it is possible. I have recently heard about a 2-DiskXwin that fits on 2 floppies but am not sure if that would be a good starting point or not. I will be adding a few of my own applications and want to incorporate the DrakeX and HardDrake for the installation method. The user will then also be allowed to add more of their own Mandrake application selections as needed. Can you please help me to locate such a variation on Mandrake or how it might be done easily. Sincerely Lonnie __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Well, if you install with NO packages selected in the group list you have about 65M and a functional system, but no X and no urpmi. 4.Unless you need really quick recovery of filesystems, ext3 should also be excluded and ext2 used instead. That might save a little space and you take a big speed hit when you use ext3 in journaling mode (and why would anyone use it in non-journaling mode?). 3.Network/ppp adds very little and can be rpm'ed in 5.NFS is again just a couple of MB, unless you are talking NIS as well. 6.XDM comes if you install a desktop besides KDE and/or GNOME, but if you want stripped, leave that one out and boot to level 3 and keep python in the mix and use Xtart. It permits a level3 (console) login and then offers a menu of installed X windows systems and ALSO permits a diagnostic start with X and no desktop and an Xterm. 7.csh? Well if your people are used to it but consider ash if you are simply trying to select a small shell. It is a workalike to bash but without the history feature, and a lot more folks are familiar with bash and create disasters with csh ... (tcsh is what you install for csh) 2. Latest XFree is OK but stick with 1024x768 x 16 bit depth and use the framebuffer driver. This makes it insensitive to hardware video changes of the modern kind, cause they all basically support framebuffer. Select the server and snarf the config file from a heavy install that has been defaulted to framebuffer by not installing X then rpming in the server and using XFdrake --expert later. Using the XF86 SVGA from 3.3.6 is likely a space-saver as well and should perform similarly in framebuffer. 8. rpm facilities are in the functional install. urpmi is NOT, so forget automating updates. 40M? Well no modern distro except specifically tailored minis with a lot less functionality are going to run with 40M. I suppose if you stripped out all security But let's not go there. Ohhh yes, the WM. This is a space-eater. IceWM-light or blackbox are OK, and if you keep Python and GTK, then ROX is available as a file manager. TWM is there as a very small one. If you just have Python, then consider PLWM PointLess Window Manager. It is a set of Python routines to make just about any WM feature you might want, and it offers a couple of demo configurations. You will probably find it in /contribs. Just keep /etc/X11/wmsession.d files straight and Xtart will give you a console selection. I made a smallish one with framebuffer X and Emacs as my desktop--not exactly GUI but workable. I am making another to fit into 32M right now, with a real WM and Python, but it is compiled for exactly the hardware it addresses and the 32M DiskOnChip is replacing the BIOS, and I am stalled until I have a job so I can buy the board to take the DiskOnChip (K7VEM or similar). I strongly recommend a compile with no modules for the kernel if you know exactly what hardware you will be using and have a reasonable expectation of no change. Not only are you much less vulnerable to rootkitting, but you can recover a lot of space. If the hardware is likely to change, though, find another solution, and live with a larger install. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] DrakeX details
On Monday 24 February 2003 09:54 pm, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: Hello All, could someone please tell me the exact detail of what DrakeX does from start to finish? I have been trying to locate some documentation that goes through all ofthe steps such as start up the kernel and then X server, load initrd ram filesystem, etc And also the details on the configuration file that the DrakeX actually reads and processes. If I am correct then during the Mandrake install, DrakeX actually loads a kernel, x server, and ram filesystem. Then it mounts the drive to be setup, partitions it, loads the initial packages (RPM files), after which it loads the particular application RPM's based upon the user selections for installation. Where can I locate more exact information on this entire process? All help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks Lonnie __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Use the source, Lonnie... It is in perl and each module has its data right with it. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:27 am, flacycads wrote: My main complaint (really about the only one) about Mandrake is that they apparently refuse to issue an Athlon-XP optimized version for retail sales, or download. However, at least you can rebuild the srpms yourself. But really, how hard can it be to recompile the entire distro for different architectures like Gentoo does, and post the iso's with an unsupported disclaimer, if need be? IMO, they will loose a lot of users if they don't. Otherwise, Mandrake is a great distro, but the bottom line is a lot of users won't even consider distros that only put out i586 optimized versions (or less) anymore. After all, fewer and fewer users are even running i586 hardware these days. Mandrake needs to get with the times. Robert Crawford On Tuesday 25 February 2003 12:15 pm, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: All; I've been watching all the threads, and excitement over the upcoming 9.1. As well as the critisizm over the rushed release dates. Just to add my .02 to it: Ummm, Where are the test results showing k7 or i686 versions to be faster? I know for a fact that compiling specifically for i686 is a big mistake. In almost all cases, performance falls off. The gains possible with a k7 compile were tested, and not particularly convincing. (At least there _were_ gains unlike the sales gimmick extended instructions in the i686) You will note that there are compiles for the IA-64 and the Hammer/Opteron, but the i586 compiles seem not only to be broadly workable, but also pretty close to optimal, at least for the compilers available now. Maybe later compilers will be able to make better use of extended instructions. In any event, to make a distro, even without a warranty (which NONE of Mandrake's have), is a significant labor and the results from the K7 testing did NOT justify the extra effort, particularly when the wolf is at the door. But you know there are sites out there that offer i686 packages for Mandrake. I followed a thread from a list member (Jeanette Russo) from a couple of years back and actually tested their performance on a PII-333 and the i586 packages compiled in the same way were faster. The advantage the i686 packages had was looping out some diagnostics, and comparing them to a totally similar i586 preparation, the 586 had it by a good 7% in speed. Just because the CPU offers additional instructions does not mean: a. The instructions have a general utility or b. Compilers can make intelligent use of them or c. Using the instructions optimally will increase performance in every or even in most tasks. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Defragging
there is a utility for defragging ext2 though it is hardly worth the trouble of running. It used to make big performance gains for ext ext3 is like ext2--it keeps fragmentation very low by nature and by design. Reiserfs should never be defragged--the elaborate tree structure it sets up is already basically optimized and you have a choice between space opt (default) and speed opt (notails mount). JFS is equipped with a defragger. It would be the fastest of filesystems if you did not have to count in the time spent defragging. XFS is very fast except when you massively delete files. Want to hazard a guess why? Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 11:12 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 25 Feb 2003 7:43 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: The bottom line is that if you use the LM distros and you have the extra jack, which amounts to the cost of a magazine subscription, then you should be sending that money to the Mandrake club or getting a boxed set from Mandrakesoft. That's only the right thing to do. This should be punctuated with the realization that the survival of the company, the paychecks of the development teams, the other employee's paychecks and the quality of life of their families are all at stake. In other words a little compassion and a magazine subscription will go a long way, not just for you truly but also for the future of everybody else involved. LX - I have read your views on this before, and I do agree with them. Am I right in thinking, though, that it benefits MandrakeSoft more if I use downloads and use the savings on the club? Last time I bought a boxed set, but if this is so I will use the downloads and go for an upgraded club membership. Anne If you buy a boxed set from mandrakestore, they see about half the proceeds. If you buy a boxed set from a computer store or office supply, they see about $4 for out of the price. If you buy a club membership, they see more than half of the proceeds after covering costs. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 11:29 am, flacycads wrote: I would agree, for a lot of smaller apps or utilities rebuilding would be meaningless. But for XFree86, and major packages like kde, gnome, mozilla, open office, gimp, etc., it does make a significant difference. I've replaced i586 with athlon-xp optimized packages to run on my XP system, and I can testify that performance is noticably improved. Robert Crawford On Tuesday 25 February 2003 02:53 pm, Steffen Barszus wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 20:42, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 25 February 2003 01:27 pm, flacycads wrote: really, how hard can it be to recompile the entire distro for different architectures like Gentoo does, and post the iso's with an unsupported disclaimer, if need be? IMO, they will loose a lot of users if they don't. Only Gentoo doesn't do it. You compile Gentoo yourself on your own box. All the distros release the source code. I still think a show of community support could take that, and compile processor specific versions... ;) And I think that this would be nonsense. Maybe the kernel and Multimedia apps should be recompiled but thats it. How important is a athlon-xp optimized 'ls' ? What is so athlon-xp specific beside the special instruction sets ? Which app makes really use of it ? For ix86-64 it is totally understandable, but athlon-xp ? Matter Of fact, your comparison with Texstar's optimized KDE is unfair. There is more done to that KDE than simply recompiling it for Athlon or 686. Several diagnostic features are turned off or left out. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kylix 3 vs. MDK9
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 05:43 pm, Emerson de Mello wrote: Hello All, I have a little and simple question. I'd like to know if the Kylix 3 works with MDK 9. Thanks, Emerson BRAZIL ___ Busca Yahoo! O serviço de busca mais completo da Internet. O que você pensar o Yahoo! encontra. http://br.busca.yahoo.com/ Kylix is not kept up to date and you may need libraries that are not in Mandrake 9 to make it work. This was true in Mandrake 8.2 where you needed an older library than Mandrake was supplying to make Kylix work. There is a Linux Standard Base and Mandrake does comply with it, and its purpose is to help commercial software run on linux. But with vendors whoi either ignore the standard or simply do not update their products very often, it may take extra effort to make them run (Oracle is another--you have to load some libraries that belong in a glass case to make it run). Fortunately, with the LM library naming conventions, you can load these olde libraries without breaking anything unless it depends on glibc. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:17 pm, Jack Coates wrote: Not to turn it into a WM flamewar, but are you using KDE or GNOME? Either fullblown environment can make the experience a lot slower in my experience. It's also possible and fun to throw Linux's performance down the stairs in ways that Windows simply won't do, such as pixmapped themes and running graphic programs in the root-window. Go easy on the eye-candy, get faster response. Last but not least, there are definitely issues with XFree86 that won't be going away. For one thing, X is a user space program and the Win32 GDI is kernel space, ring 0, ever since NT 4.0. This is changing with DRI, but at the same cost of decreased stability which plagues NT video. Also, X's video card support tends to be a bit flaky in my experience, which is to say it's a crap-shoot if running a 3d program is going to produce software rendering, hardware rendering, static across the top 3rd of my screen, or a video card lockup (all of these have happened this week with a Voodoo3 and an i815). I don't think that XFree86 gets the same sort of attention that Windows drivers get, since driver debugging that goes past the point of it works on the primary developer's machine is not very fun. dos centavos, Jack On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 21:36, flacycads wrote: OK- you're correct- I don't speak for everyone, and my choice of words was unfortunate. Please accept my apology. However, my experience on several dual boot boxes with different versions of windows and Linux has always been that overall computer performance is significantly better when booted to windows. I'm sorry, but that's what happens- there's no question about it. Of course I do have any windows installation I run highly tweaked and tuned to perfection( as good as is possible), and perhaps I can tweak my Linux installs a little more than I presently have. Robert Crawford On Tuesday 25 February 2003 07:26 pm, et wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 05:01 pm, Joe Braddock wrote: ---Original Message--- From: flacycads [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02/25/03 05:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control? snip Anyone who dual boots with windows on the same hardware knows that windows ... And don't forget the obvious Office is like 95% loaded if you use windows... compare that to loading ALL of OpenOffice. So if you are comparing Windows performance in this area, try opening OpenOffice on Desktop 2 and just ticking it on the taskbar, Same for Konqueror/Mozilla/Phoenix/Opera vs MSIE That is not to say there are not slower areas in linux. Video drivers are a problem (strange, Windows doesn't write video drivers), and of course the overhead in maintaining decent security is there by design in linux. My own results, on my own equipment, do not support your results, but then I have machines with a LOT of memory which linux uses and Windows does not. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RC2 must be coming.
On Monday 24 February 2003 02:05 pm, Todd Lyons wrote: Greg Meyer wrote on Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 05:57:59PM -0500 : More communiation on this topic to the newbie and expert lists, as well as club postings would probably help in this area. I agree with this. I will do this for Expert for the next cycle, but I don't monitor the Newbie list, so someone else will have to do this. I'll find someone that I can get to do this. Blue skies... Todd I do monitor newbie, and I will be happy to explain it. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] RC2 / RC1 etc post made to newbie
Well, RC1 is out and RC2 is probably coming soon. What is a Release Candidate as opposed to a Beta? The Beta comes out for the purpose of debugging and ironing out problems with new features. The release candidate (RC) hits the mirrors when features have been frozen. Every cycle we have a number of people who are saying hold for this feature, or that new release of GNOME, or KDE or AfterSTEP or ... This request falls on deaf ears because Mandrakesoft has to make the release date. It is negotiated into contracts for pressing CDs, for example, and a day's slippage may cause a month's delay and extensive penalties. That is one of the realities of making this software. The only thing that would stop the release date is a showstopper bug that keeps the product from working on a significant number of computers (that does not mean failure to support the newest and cheapest Promise Controller). But the ideas always appear when the RC pops up. There are announcements of the schedule on cooker list, but every release date approaching seems to stimulate creativity. So I suggest, if you want MandrakeLinux to be the best product possible, save the idea, but write it down, and use some of your calendaring software to remind yourself to transmit it in 40 days, when it will hit the folks as they are planning the major features for the next release. You could send new feature ideas now, but if you do, they may be lost in the noise of flying bugfixes and testing results as the release is rounded and polished as best as can be within their very limited resources. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandy Locks Up on simple tar!
0.0 0:03 gpm 931 xfs9 0 4304 4304 908 S 0 0.0 0.2 0:00 xfs 970 root 9 0 00 0 SW0 0.0 0.0 0:00 rpciod 971 root 9 0 00 0 SW0 0.0 0.0 0:00 lockd 1903 root 9 0 676 676 620 S 0 0.0 0.0 0:00 kdm 1917 daemon 8 0 540 540 472 S 0 0.0 0.0 0:00 atd 1938 root 9 0 1244 1244 1124 S 0 0.0 0.0 0:00 sshd 1959 root 9 0 948 948 792 S 0 0.0 0.0 0:00 xinetd __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Hmm More than a fuzzed up file which should kill tar but not the comp, I would suspect the chipset vs the kernel. By now everyone reading this list should know that certain intel chipsets were toxic to the stock 9.0 kernel, particularly the 845. This hardware would almost certainly demand kernel-enterprise and is almost certainly an Intel Chipset. So try the updated kernel, or even the kernel out of 9.1beta3 which seems to have developed workarounds for the Intel shortcomings. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Abit KT7 RAID MB (VIA chipset)
2 3 4 well first of all, if you can split ide drives to one per channel, that would be more efficient. ONly one device per channel on IDE may be active, and two disks on the same channel really slows down disk-to-disk operations Next a DTLA and a DTTA on the same channel is a wide difference in timing specs. This leaves enough room for echo bounce on a signal gating line to cause mischief. It is not that hard to move a drive if the installed systems have the /etc/fstab modified (of course with any winsystems we have a little more work) to recognize the new location. The WD should not be paired on any channel with any other hard drive,because its timing is very strange compared to the others and data can be eaten by timing chatter. It is safely default configured as you can see, peaked at udma2 I would definitely try limiting the DTLA to udma2 as well --it appears to be set initially for udma3 the DTTA can go to udma4 or perhaps more. drakopt is in /contribs these days, but it does an alternative test and setup for tuning, and it runs in python. It may be able to set the drives where they run reliably. It requires some manual asistance yet because I never had time to finish the parser for error messages nor to make the settings within 2% of each other in tested speed brothers and to choose the brother with the highest noise immunity. Still you might find the program useful for performing all the tests of various hdparm settings--none of those are dangerous to existing data. I strongly suspect a timing problem between the two IBM drives and I would suggest splitting them to different channels as a first step. The slow performance appears to be a fallback setting from probable timing crosstalk. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Questions on the upgrade path for mandrake.
On Wednesday 19 February 2003 09:50 am, James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 09:24, Luca Olivetti wrote: Jack Coates wrote: How is the path from 9.0 to 9.1? Is it just a matter of selecting upgrade and letting it do it's thing? Has anyone verified this? (I remeber when redhat said you could do this, 4 server reinstalls later). supposedly one inserts the new CD and selects LiveUpdate. YMMV. And then spend the best part of a weekend fixing the breakage (if you manage to). Bye Actually I've had luck with it since about 8.1... in fact I upgraded a 7.2 box to 9.0 straight out. Problems are. 1. If you have modified many of your config files you'll find .rpmnew extensions all over the place. Best way to find them is to update the locate dbase and do locate rpmnew. 2. Live-update is way to slow... boot and do upgrade ... still slow but a factor of 5 faster than liveupdate. (it errors too much on the side of caution.) 3. If you did it from source (not source rpms) things in these areas might get mucked. RPM doesn't know from tarballs. 4. Fastest way is to still do an install keeping your partitions and /home. (shear time factor.) James rpms are not dpkgs and don't follow all the rules that makes dpkg preparation such a nightmare and keeps Debian out of date. As a result rpms have limitations For one, if you have a %postun stanza in the rpm spec file which removes a link that was made by the rpm either during installation or in the %post stanza and you select update, the %postun stanza is the last thing to run and blooey--no more link. There is a way around it using a cat and an at in the %post and making a temporary filw that re-sets the link and then self-destructs, which will run only during install (failing to make the link a second time) or after update (because the at sets the temp file as a script to run a couple minutes later), and I did supply QA at mandrake with a screening program to check for the situation with srpms and identify those needing modification. The second is packaging/library naming. RPM can handle some situations acceptably, but splitting one package into three in the next release is not one of them, and this is often done for valid engineering reasons. The point is, want smooth updates, use Debian or at least dpkg and apt-get, but you PAY for it with the rules associated with the dpkg and the developer time necessary to make one and to keep it within rules, which tends to keep Debian seriously behind the leading edge, even with the unstable stuff. As always, There Aint No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. You make your choices and you take your chances. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Abit KT7 RAID MB (VIA chipset)
On Thursday 20 February 2003 05:51 pm, J. Craig Woods wrote:
Sridhar wrote:
J. Grant wrote:
Hi,
I've got one Abit KT7 RAID MB system running stock mdk9 kernel. Its
running, however, the hd speed is slow because it only works with no
dma etc. I am using the correct ata100 cables with only a single drive
on each channel.
Has anyone else experienced this with this motherboard using the raid
channels?
Cheers
JG
Journalled Block Device driver loaded
hde: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hde: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
hde: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hde: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
hde: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hde: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
hde: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hde: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
ide2: reset: success
hde: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hde: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
hde: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hde: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
hde: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hde: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
hde: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hde: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
ide2: reset: success
Jus wondering, have up updated ur bios.
Just wondering, are you using WD harddrives?
drjung
I was wondering the same thing. I am aware that Andre Hedrick has campaigned
for a while to keep WDs off of udma3 or higher because they don't exactly
comply with the requirements for the CRC protocols for those speeds.
ANd My thoughts fall first to WD when I see {DriveReady SeekComplete} because
that is the only brand on which I have seen it.
Civileme
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Re: [expert] Question of ppoe
On Wednesday 19 February 2003 04:45 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Tuesday February 18 2003 11:34 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: All, Got an e-mail from someone who thinks I'm an expert with Linux (little do they know *grin*) any way they have DSL with SBC and it uses ppoe I've never set it up and I don't know of a good document source. Note that the person is computer literate but primarily a windows developer. So this person expects a lot of things to work/act like windows. (Took me a long time to make this person believe that Linux doesn't need different driver CDs all the time) Any rate I'm looking for a basic point and shoot kind of instruction page that I can point them to to set up ppoe... any suggestions? James Mandrake Control Center (drakconf), there's a wizard that just asks some basic questions. I prefer to use Roaring Penguin, the rpm (rp-pppoe) is on the CD's. Either should setup the connection with no problems. For rp-ppoe, run 'adsl-setup', which, like MCC, also asks some simple questions. Actually 9.1, uses rp-ppoe during installation and the connection is ready to go when you first boot up. 'adsl-start' and 'adsl-stop', unless ofcourse, you tell the 9.1 installer to start the connection at boot. Coupl'a cautions, at least true for me with SBC thru SWBell. User, must be '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', simply 'user' won't work. DNS is automatic, and connection is dynamic IP, so don't enter any DNS numbers or IP address if that's the case with the connection, ie, dynamic, DNS from 'server'. I choose 'none' for firewall during adsl-setup, then installed and setup guarddog. There's more info than anybody'd want in the 'DSL-howto', but it's fairly easy reading, and has a trouble shooting section. In Mandrake 9.0 the Control Center script for setting up pppoe is seriously flawed. go to www.mandrakeexpert.com and see my reply to one person about how to set it up and get it working on incident 49370. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RAID0/1 or RAID1/0 howto
On Saturday 15 February 2003 05:45 pm, gikoreno wrote: Hey everyone: I would like to know if DiskDrake supports RAID0+1 or RAID1+0, and how I can achieve these configurations using DiskDrake. If that can't be done, what's the easiest way I can implement these, since I know the kernel supports at least one of these methods. I did check out the RAID Howto, and it's in Appendix C, but I am wondering if there isn't another way of doing so that I can use while installing Mandrake. Thanks, gikoreno ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! No there is no support for RAID0+1 in diskdrake. you can set up this way in /etc/raidtab (I am assuming 4 drives for RAID10) raiddev /dev/md0 raid-level 0 nr-raid-disks 2 nr-spare-disks 0 chunk-size 64k persistent-superblock 1 device /dev/hde5 raid-disk 0 device /dev/hdf5 raid-disk 1 raiddev /dev/md1 raid-level 0 nr-raid-disks 2 nr-spare-disks 0 chunk-size 64k persistent-superblock 1 device /dev/hdg5 raid-disk 0 device /dev/hdh5 raid-disk 1 radidev /dev/md2 raid-level 1 nr-raid-disks 2 nr-spare-disks 0 persistent-superblock 1 device /dev/md0 raid-disk 0 device /dev/md1 raid-disk 1 Now it is VITAL that you access md2 and NEVER access md0 or md1 directly. you run in this order mkraid /dev/md0 mkraid /dev/md1 mkraid /dev/md2 The danger here is that md0 anfd md1 must be mounted but must NEVER be accessed directly. Sure and it is a RAID0+1 array, but the bastardized way of achieving it allows independent writing to the objects that are supposed to be mirrored. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Large IDE HD on Mdk 9.0?
On Sunday 16 February 2003 01:00 pm, Wolf N. Paul wrote: I am having trouble getting a 120G Maxtor 4G120J8 disk working on my Mdk 9.0 system. When I attach the drive and reboot, the boot hangs indefinitely at the partition check, both when the disk was virginal from the store, and now that I have created a single large primary partition on it with Win2K. If I append hdh=noprobe to the boot prompt, I can boot the system, but the drive is not accessible. If I specify the geometry the kernel reports for the drive just before the partition check, like so: hdh=14946,255,63 hdh=noprobe which corresponds to an example in the kernel source Documents/ide.txt file, the kernel panics. The same thing happens if I use the geometry values given in the spec sheet for the drive on Maxtor's support web. The first line of the panic message refers to a null pointer reference at address 63, which makes me wonder whether the sectors parameter of the geometry spec is getting misinterpreted. Any hints? Any ideas? Regards, Wolf N. Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you used the other install kernels alt0 alt1 alt2? type F1 at the splash screen and then at the boot prompt 'alt0' without the quotes. Also the alt1 and alt2--any may recognize the big disk. The install kernels are seriously stripped so that the image fits on a floppy. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Notebook Sans M$ Tax
On Saturday 15 February 2003 05:31 am, Charlie wrote: On Saturday 15 February 2003 03:33 am, Felix Miata wrote: Anyone know who sells notebook PC's without the windoze tax included in the price? Wal Mart Tiger Direct only seem to sell ordinary PC's that way. I only know about a couple Felix, but then I haven't looked lately. This page was hangin' around my bookmarks for a while, maybe it's worth looking at? http://www.oretek.com/laptops/ And the two links to vendors that I know about: Acer recommends MicrosoftR WindowsR XP Professional for Mobile Computing. That seems to mean they don't insist though. :-) http://www.qlilinuxpc.com/products/laptops/index.html These guys advertise specialize in Linux compatible computers. They even show Tux on their site. Best of luck. Regards; Try this link--desktop power in a notebook format and everything inside except the battery (which is optional) WITHOUT OS http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_nb_dsknt928ath.html Athlon XP 1500+ 256Mb DDR RAM DVD/CDRW 20G $995 US or $895 US without the CDRW which is refurbished. The rest is new. There are cheaper and more expensive models--caution is advised about the P4 models, because the chipset might be the infamous 845--have not been able to get further info on that. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] XFS support
On Thursday 13 February 2003 07:19 am, Robert Wideman wrote: I was wondering which version of XFS support i should use. I have read somewhere that MDK 8.1 had XFS support in it and has ever since. I have recently come accross a patch that is directly from the SGI XFS drivers at ftp://ftp.hq.nasa.gov/pub/ig/ccd/enhanced_loopback Does anyone have any comment on MDK XFS support or have used these files from nasa.gov site? Rob I have been using XFS since 8.1. I would caution everyone about the other support files -- use them if you are compiling your own kernel from kernel.org. XFS mahes some large changes in the kernel itself. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] trying to understand some things here.
On Tuesday 11 February 2003 11:17 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: Noticing some things in init.d and I've come upon a curiosity. What is the reason/difference between /etc/init.d/network and /etc/init.d/internet? Both of them do try to start prior to pcmcia which for a laptop that doesn't have a pci network card is a drag. But it is rather curious that there are two separate items that seem to do similar things. Not I could be and probably am very wrong about the last statement but it, at the moment is clear as mud. James Network brings up ehternet cards and perhaps some services. Internet brings up internet connections and services that are started at boot which may be ppp, PPPoE, ISDN, and etc. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ML9.0:file system completely crashed ext3,could not find mime type,kde3.0.3
On Monday 10 February 2003 11:05 pm, vatbier wrote: civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WD drives of the generation you are using do not calculate that same CRC for comparison--they store it in their big 600-byte sectors along with the 512 bytes of data. They may calculate the first in a series of writes, but not all. The drive is safe enough run at udma2 (33Mhz and 32 byte CRCs) or If you cannot put a better drive in that box, a 40-pin cable could make a big difference for the safe operation, to force 33MHz or lower transfer speed. Thanks! I had already read that WD and UDMA5 give problems but my hard drive WD400BB-32CXA was bought in april 2002. Were can I find the generation info that my drive has no good CRC checking at UDMA3,4,5? I searched the Western Digital website (wdc.com) but they don't give that kind of information. Do the new WD400BB drives do correct CRC checking? You say They may calculate the first in a series of writes, but not all.: where can I find that kind of insight info, I searched the net but apart from some of your postings haven't found much else. I don't have a 40-pin cable. If I use the hdparm command hdparm -k1 -d1 -X66 /dev/hda (66:UDMA2), would this give the same effect? Can changing the UDMA setting with hdparm give problems/errors? I also downloaded from the WDC website Data Lifeguard Tools that can change the udma setting on the hard drive itself. If I used this to change the UDMA to 2, would my linux have no problems with this (I'm a a little scared to use hdparm or WDC tools, in man hdparm they state Use with extreme caution! This feature includes zero protection for the unwary, and an unsuccessful outcome may result in severe filesystem corruption!) ? How can I prevent CRC errors? Can an IDE-cable suddenly become bad, or experience interference, I read about twisted cables, ... The HDD should NOT be mounted near the power supply due to fan issues. The fan in the supply causes the HDD to misinterpret CRC-checksums and produces CRC-errors. Also, high-speed CD drives should not be near the HDD : fan causing CRC-errors? CD drives ? How much slower is UDMA2 than UDMA5? (hdparm -t), You said somewhere that the performance does not differ much? The X66 is safe to use as you have described it. What is dangerous is overdriving. Win98 isn't going to give you more than what it has drivers for, so the DataLifeguard should not be necessary. Also, IIRC, DataLifeGuard phones home and gives you warning if your drive is about to fail (and it works on non-WDs too). Yes you are not going to find much info on the WD drive and their strategy to produce cheap drives ... These days they say they are fully compatrible with advanced UDMA, but offer no details, which is itself suspicious. The last time I exchanged emails with Andre Hedrick, we were still experiencing problems, but I have been out of the loop for some time. I wrote a program for 8.0/8.1 called drakopt which exhaustively tested options under hdparm for a given rig of drives, and set up the optimization. On some of the rigs the Crashtesters had, when the drive was set to highest rated speed and another drive was on the same channel there would be crosstalk errors. That was not supposed to happen either; only one drive on an IDE channel is supposed to be on at a time, but it was happening when one of a pair was a WD. (As an aside from this, if you have enough IDE channels to do it, put one hard drive per channel and use the other (slave) side for CDROM or Zip or whatever, not only to avoid crosstalk but for efficient operation.) As for the variance of speed, consider this... The PCI bus is 33MHz and 32 bits wide--the data transfer cable for IDE is 16 bits wide and up to 133Mhz, already twice what the PCI bus can handle, so the speed has to be burst mode cause there are controllers for IDE at 133MHz which plug into the PCI bus. Overwhelmingly, the consideration has to be with the disk itself, where data spins on or off of it at 1/60 the rate of the interface, approximately. Buffering helps, and lookahead helps, and elevator tuning helps (yes check out man elvtune), but the mechanical end of things is very slow compared to the rest of it. To increase disk speed, the most productive approaches are: *Increase spin rate *Software or hardware driven striping (RAID0 RAID4 RAID5) with multiple disks, especially if chunk size is controlled so that the switch to a different drive most frequently occurs when the first drive would need to step. The pinout on IDE cables is available here: http://www.howstuffworks.com/ide3.htm Of course with like 30 nanoseconds pulse width and data transfer on rising and falling edges, we are talking about something where a secondary cosmic ray is a significant noise source. Not much charge moves on those cables at the interface voltage in that time span. At this address http://www.linux-ide.org
Re: [expert] ML9.0:file system completely crashed ext3,could not find mime type,kde3.0.3
the older non-journaling filesystems. On a larger partition this can be the difference between back up in 45 seconds or 45 minutes, so the journaling filesysem is much preferable for servers. If you cannot put a better drive in that box, a 40-pin cable could make a big difference for the safe operation, to force 33MHz or lower transfer speed. KDE constantly updates things on disk, like the position of windows on the screen, so drive reliability is critical with that application. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] X experts please help! - in need of proper numpad handling
On Saturday 08 February 2003 01:54 am, Will Styles wrote: hello. i like selecting text in kde apps using the keyboard (shift+arrow key) but i cannot use the numpad arrow keys because in Xfree86, shift+numpad key acts like numlock e.g.: shift+top_arrow = 8 shift+bottom_arrow = 2 shift+left_arrow = 4 shift+right_arrow = 6 so everytime i go to select text in kwrite, i start typing numbers instead :( is there a way of configuring the numpad to work like it does in windows? i.e.: arrow_key = movement shift+arrow_key = select text, not numbers *please*!!! numlock+arrow_key = numbers shift+numlock+arrow_key = numbers other than working supermount this is the last thing i need before i (and everyone else in my office) can move to linux, so please are there any suggestions? thanks - Will __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com U, I just checked numlock comes up ON if you select that during install. if you tap numlock once or select for it to be OFF by default during install number pad arrow keys move the cursor and shift-numeric selects text If you have numlock ON then shift plus numeric key selects text, not produces numbers. 9.0 has (mostly) working supermount. you need to back off (not close) on the /mnt/cdrom directory in Konqueror or it will not eject properly. That is a KDE problem. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Lyx for Mandrake 9.0 with QT UI
On Saturday 08 February 2003 06:22 am, Praedor Tempus Atrebates wrote: I tried posting this to the list yesterday but it never appeared in the list(?). If any of you are lyx users you may appreciate the Qt frontend in place of the ugly/clunky xforms frontend. An individual in the lyx-users list has produced a Mandrake 9.0 Lyx rpm with the Qt frontend instead of the default xforms frontend. It is very nice. It is available at ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/bin/lyx/1.3.0 It is a major pain to build lyx with the Qt frontend. Many have tried and failed. This one works nicely if you have kde 3.0.3 and its qt3.x installed. You should be able to install and use it by using --nodeps (I did). It will likely complain about needing qt if you don't use nodeps, even though you have it installed. A quirk associated with the needs of building the lyx Qt frontend. praedor Yes it works rather well, but use rpm -i once to make sure that you don't have other unmet needs like tetex-xdvi or tetex-latex, then use the --nodeps. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Upgrading to python 2.2.2
On Saturday 08 February 2003 02:39 pm, D. R. Evans wrote: The current issue of Linux Journal has an interesting story about a program called spambayes: interesting enough that I wanted to try it on my gateway/firewall machine. This machine is running LM 8.2 (on the grounds that if it ain't broke, don't fix it; I have LM 9.0 running on another machine, but don't like to make other than minimal changes on the machine that acts as my gateway to the world). The spambayes page says that it needs a later version of python than the version 2.1.1 that came with LM 8.2. OK, thought I, that's a minor upgrade that probably won't break anything. But when I went to install the python 2.2.2-6mdk rpm from the cooker, it wanted several more rpms. These looked innocuous enough (things like python libraries). But then those wanted more. And then those wanted things like a new version of kde-base and dhcpd. At which point I thought why on Earth should I need to install a new version of dhcpd just because I want to upgrade from python 2.1.1 to 2.2.2? So the upshot of all this is: what is the recommended procedure for upgrading from python 2.1.1 to 2.2.2 on an LM 8.2 machine without having to mess with anything major and with a reasonable assurance that nothing will break? Doc Evans Well get the source rpm and build it on your 8.2 machine with rpm --rebuild what you are encountering is the fact that binaries are incompatible between 8.2 and 9.0 because there was a change in the glibc version, as well as a host of dependencies. You may not be out of the woods with the source but it should be compatible--once you have used the rebuild, you should find a good rpm in /usr/src/RPM/RPMS Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
On Friday 07 February 2003 10:10 am, Franki wrote: I could find no download for CS2.1, so I assume its purchase only??? I don't mind them paying for it, but I'd like to try it out first... You have done that, by trying out Mandrake's offerings. The most stable are chosen and put together with wizards to aim at the W2K market with its ranks of point-and-click sysadmins. Since W2K is destined for the trash heap in January, this is a good time to announce and give people a chance to strategize a switch. See basically, I don't need wizards and GUI stuff for the most part.. I have my standard config files.. which once I have installed a system, I copy them accross and my server is almost done.. Well then, you can get what you need from a ProSuite that uses the same packages, and then just follow the security updates. To have to pay for support I'd very likely never use is abit rough.. (I bought a powerpack and never used the support portion of that either.) I just want a basic system with the server apps, and updates for what is installed.. chroot all around would be good, but apart from that, there isn't much else I need. Just to support mandrake, I would make the boss buy at least one copy, but I'd have to try it before we outlayed the cash.. if it isn't want I want, then no deal... anyone in my position would feel the same way. I am worried that I'd have compilation issues with stuff I load, wondering what is different between it and other packages. wondering how compatable it is with other mandrake rpms... that sort of stuff.. Also how it handles hardware raid, scsi drives stuff like that.. Well, those issues have been covered--this is proven software from Mandrake releases, not something new and improved. what is the word on this? i have not even seen a list of the kernel and package version.. Kernel 2.4 Do you have any info to pass on?? Is CS2.1 the first mandrake to NOT be free software??? I ask because there is no download version... It is a mix like most sale packages, and it doesn't change the fact that most of the packages appeared in one or more download editions (with the exception of the wizards) rgds Franki Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Lyx with QT...more
On Friday 07 February 2003 01:56 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote: Oh yeah, because of the way lyx with qt needs to be built, I installed it with --nodeps. If you have kde 3.0.3 installed and qt3, then that is all that is necessary and you can ignore the dependency. It works. praedor Hmmm the URI doesn't work ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/1.3.0 Seems to be the one Thanks for the info Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 11:38 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 06:15, et wrote: I have noticed that Redhat, and M$ has lately published listing reguardiing expected support cycles, and all of them are shorter than what most people expect for manufactured products, but this is the way of things, and even more so with computers, since the hardware is planned to be obsolete in 3 to 4 years anyway. This is the sweet spot I'm talking about IF support cycles matched hardware life it would be IMHO a better proposition. In other words doing support life by series not by release. The the life cycle of the series would more closely match the life of the hardware. The problem now is to hit the sweet spot in Corporate world in such a way that they want/need MDK's support and are willing to pay for it! Product life cycle is cool. I still feel it's a little short. James the real problem (from my narrow little pinhole viewpoint) is the need for applications needing all the computing power available. while most companies got P3 M$ windows boxes, they still use them to emmulate access to a termanel off the server, or run word. stuff they could have done with the wyse monochrom termanal they threw away to have pretty colors. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Well 3-4 years of supporting old things in a system as dynamic as GNU/linux is going to co$t. Perhaps the most useful activity to make this happen is to form a club for such support and see if you get enough subscriptions to support the effort. No one can offer that length of support and remain competitive with other distros in terms of selling price. MIcrosoft could support things for longer because their software does not change as often. the win95 kernel and the win 98 kernel were byte-for-byte identical. Expect to see MS dropping win2K next January. (Horrid flash--writers of job descriptions will have fits as they try to require 4 years experience with the latest release of windows or linux) Happy motoring!!! Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ICH4 on MDK9 resource collision
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 12:40 am, Birkoff wrote: Hello I have a MSI MS-6580 motherboard with 845PE chipset The problem is that when mdk9 boots it gives me PCI device 0:1f:1 was disabled because of resource collision and because of that the computer behaves like a 486 when it comes about reading/writing on the disks. is there any patch for the default 2.4.19 kernel witch comes with the mdk9? or a newer kernel from mandrake? I can try to install a fresh new kernel from kernel.org but I am afraid that the original kernel was patched and particularised by MDK team. any other suggestions are welcomed. TIA Well I will add that to the chronicle about 845 Chipsets. Hmm if you have any boards on the PCI bus try relocating them, preferably AWAY from the AGP slot. But you may have a hardware problem built into the board. I have reports of filesystem corruption on win2K and linux 2.4.19 with that chipset. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 03:03 am, Robert Wideman wrote: Yes. Supermount is evil. This is the first thing i disable after an install. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of SainTiss Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:58 AM To: MDKexpert Mailing Subject: [expert] supermount hi, I've just installed the kernel update, and enabled supermount, but when I insert a cdrom, it still doesn't mount automatically did I miss something here? Thanks Hans -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? Hans Schippers 1LIC INF UIA 2002-2003 Well if you installed without supermount and put in a kernel with it installed and enabled, the /etc/fstab lines will not be set for supermount Here are some lines that work for one rig, and should be translatable to your situation... none /mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 none /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] drakbackup
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 05:11 am, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: civileme wrote: Well google around and you can find scdbackup which is oriented toward 650Mb disks. And I have tested it to work on 9.0 with supermount disabled, and a $25.95(US) CDRW drive which is rated 4x4x24 Even with that, the drive barfs on CDRW media, even for blanking, with 9.0 DO NOT USE CDRW media for this either--most of it is 650 and there are MANY supposed CDRW drives which will not work with CDRW media of the more modern flavor or insist on trying to treat all the CDRW media as 700Mb capacity. Civileme Interesting that you should mention this. I have been trying to backup a directory full of mp3 files to a CD-RW. They just REFUSE to write/recover properly. I can backup the rest of the system with no problem, but not those mp3's. IT may be yet another case of CD-RW problems.(?). I may try burning them to a CD-R ... But I've got a pile of coasters now... I will probably just invest in a spindle of 100 of them, get it over with. Also, I tried writing the latest beta iso to a CD-RW. But nooo.. The CD-RW drive is new, as are the disks. They burn ok, but if I move the CD to the other (older) drive, and try to boot the box from it.. No go. I can't even mount them on that drive. If I burn the ISOs to a CD-R, all works like it should. I bought the CD-RW's thinking Great for temp storage. But no.. I've had far too many problems with them. I wish I had my DAT Drive with me. Can't beat tape for backups. :) Sadly, it's in my server in Seattle, and I'm STILL stuck in Florida... sigh... Ric I will beat on tape for backup. MY tape drive faithfully backed up once a week and I rotated 6 tapes to stay current. (MAC fileserver 80). Then one day I arrived at work to find the fileserver unresponsive. I eventually powered down and found the disk would not boot and enough of it was corrupted to make the rest inaccessible. OK no problem, data is on tapes, let's reload OS--- done reach for tape Oops--tape is unreadable reach for two week old tape--E gee that one is no good either Tapes sent to data recovery service--well whattayaknow They charged quite a bit to give me the bad news that six years of work was lost. The employer was too cheap to give me a separate workstation, so it was my six years of work that was lost. For the same reason, it was risky to try restoring from tape though I had always done one file a month. Anyway, the tapes were stretched and dirty and the drive was unusable. I have been burning CDs since that time, even when the burns were at 1X. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problem with .rpmmacros / rpm build setup
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 03:40 pm, Jim C wrote:
Thanks but I got this one already. Now I am trying to fight my way
through the spec file. Know of any place where there are docs on these?
Jim C.
Todd Lyons wrote:
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Jim C wrote on Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:11:23PM -0800 :
I am stuck at the rpm install. I think I probably have a macro wrong
somewhere. Note that jim is a local user with home directory named
/lclusr/jim.
[jim@enigma jim]$ rpm -ivh samba-2.2.7a-3mdk.src.rpm
error: cannot create %sourcedir /%{/lclusr/jim}/rpm/SOURCES
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/RPMS
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/RPMS/i586
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/RPMS/noarch
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/SRPMS
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/SOURCES
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/SPECS
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/BUILD
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/tmp
Blue skies... Todd
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Ummm, I searched unsuccesfully for docs on those--best thing I can think of is
to rpm -i something.src.rpm from srpms for mandrake and then look at the spec
files others have made. Some of them have really artful dodges and many will
give you clues how to do it.
There is the rpm howto at
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/howtos/mdk-rpm/
which explains a lot of the procedure including the spec file.
Civileme
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Re: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1
On Monday 03 February 2003 04:13 am, et wrote: On Monday 03 February 2003 01:29 am, James Sparenberg wrote: BTW how is win2000 never tried it (seriously) let me tell you about a OS that bites... I run a SMP box, (p3 1000s) that is sweet with Mandrake SMP, and I used to show people how much slower winME was on the same box, (knowing full well win ME only saw the one CPU),, well when i got a gift of win2000pro, I installed it as a tripple boot, and let me tell you,, in spite of W2k noticeing the second CPU, it is a bigger dog than win ME as far as getting things done multitasking. in Mandrake, I have no noticable slow down to burn a cd, download an ISO, use the ViaVoice and dictate a letter and allow the printer to be used from a differnet computer on the lan, as well as have about a dozen winows in Konq and six in Galeon. as well as backup the hard drive to a different computer. in win 2k burning a cd is about all it can do at one time. I used to see if I could do so many things that the box would slow down, but I have given that up in Mandrake, I just don't see a slowdown. in win ME I can burn a cd and surf the web at the same time, just can't burn a cd and render a video at the same time, but in Mandreake, while the render may take a little longer, there is none of the mouse freezing that win2k cann't get past. LOL Well I help out in a local Computer Renaissance, mostly installing mandrakeLinux for the customers that want linux. I had a media-vs-drive problem so asked then to dup one of my CDs on their win2K server. They did and it was a TOTAL blank. I showed them that and they rebooted the server and burned again (perfect, and it worked on the target system). Then the tech rebooted the win2K server again. I asked about that and he said that it is their standard practice to reboot after every burn. I had a mandrake box with me, with a 40x12x48 CDRW and a very pedestrian SiS 630 chipset with a 1G Celeron and 256M Memory. I started burning a CD, then added an edit of a big text file (with OpenOffice) and configuring the machine to connect to the internet through their LAN with MCC and finishing with a dictionary search using Kdict The techs were impressed, cause their much heavier P4 based server could only burn a CD and could not complete any configuration while it was burning. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert]
On Monday 03 February 2003 01:00 pm, hihorsenews wrote: Hello expert, I have MDK 9.0 installed on hda, and Xandros on hdb. The Xandros boot loader detects MDK partition fine, and give me choice of which too boot. My question is, if i want to upgrade to a 9.x, how can i do it, without disturbing my boot loader? I tried to do it, with this MDK 9,.0, but it overwrote my boot loader anyway:(. Just skip bootloader installation and reconfigure your Xandros bootloader for the new kernel and initrd.img Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] drakbackup
Well google around and you can find scdbackup which is oriented toward 650Mb disks. And I have tested it to work on 9.0 with supermount disabled, and a $25.95(US) CDRW drive which is rated 4x4x24 Even with that, the drive barfs on CDRW media, even for blanking, with 9.0 DO NOT USE CDRW media for this either--most of it is 650 and there are MANY supposed CDRW drives which will not work with CDRW media of the more modern flavor or insist on trying to treat all the CDRW media as 700Mb capacity. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] drakbackup
On Monday 03 February 2003 07:28 pm, Michael Holt wrote: 5:42pm, civileme mused: Well google around and you can find scdbackup which is oriented toward 650Mb disks. And I have tested it to work on 9.0 with supermount disabled, and a $25.95(US) CDRW drive which is rated 4x4x24 Even with that, the drive barfs on CDRW media, even for blanking, with 9.0 DO NOT USE CDRW media for this either--most of it is 650 and there are MANY supposed CDRW drives which will not work with CDRW media of the more modern flavor or insist on trying to treat all the CDRW media as 700Mb capacity. Civileme Is this something mdk specific or is it just a feature not available to the linux community yet? RW's have been out so long, I just assumed that the technology had been stablized by now. Thanks Civileme! Mike Umm, I just moved the Acer Drive to my son's computer (he uses the unmentionable system in its latest incarnation) and it behaves the same--choking on CDRW disks, so I imagine it is unresolved hardware issues with the druive hardware and the brand of media (one style did not throttle the drive) So it aint even linux-specific Just one of those things that you never know til you test. I have a Wearnes 4x2x24 that works acceptably and a no-name that does 700Mb media perfectly either CD-R or CDRW, but won't touch 650s at all and it is rated 40x12x48 (and that one made me a religious buyer of very cheap CD-Rs cause backing up a 40G disk using it is not a wasted day) as to the quality of drakbackup, I cannot speak because I have been using scdbackup since 1999, but I do know that it works better with supermount disabled. (MOF, with supermount enabled, I can crash the kernel with a dd from CD to floppy). That might be the mandrake specific issue you seek. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] support for gnome-python2 and pygtk2 in Mandrake 9.1
On Friday 31 January 2003 04:30 am, Trevor Rhodes wrote: Would anyone happen to know if there will be support for gnome-python2 and pygtk2 in Mandrake 9.1? See my response on newbie list Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?
On Tuesday 28 January 2003 07:22 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Sorry to bother you, but we were discussing whether there will be a future for MandrakeSoft. After tonight I wonder whether there will be a future for us all and the world as we know it. I listened to the US-Amercan president. I'm not religious, I wish I were. This madman and the options he has scare me to death. wobo wobo, I watched the speech as well, but I'm a little unclear as to what you're refering to. What did I miss? Mark A week ago a poll showed that close to 70% were most concerned with the economy in the US. People are out of work big time and the dollar is weakening. After his speech last night, people polled in the US are now concerned first with the possibility of war with Iraq by a 2 to 1 margin. It appears that the diversion of attention from the weak economy has been successful. Realistically, a government can do a lot more about a war than they can about an economy, so it would be something attractive to the average politician whose first concern is after all to stay in office. Yeah, my registeredf political affiliation is other in a state where there are Democrats, Republians, Independents and Greens. When they offer the option cynic, then I will make a declaration ;-) Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] A twist on NAT/Connection Sharing
OK could someone point me at the right document to figure this out? I will, of course, share the answer back. I have a friend who MUST remain concealed and who has recently gotten DSL. The DSL service provided gives only Static IPs, and those are rather easy to pinpoint for location--much easier to hack a set of records for static IPs than to get at logs for who was on a particular dialup IP at a given time. To conceal my friend, I suggested we use my computer as a gateway to the internet for her. It is already set up as a NAT firewall forwarding from within a local network. I want the requests from the friend's computer to be treated the same even though they will come from the internet side and go back out the internet side. This will add some latency but should significantly not tax my speed to support his cause my DSL is much much faster. So anyone out there have any suggestions where to look to achieve that masquerade? Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Finding Module Dependencies
On Tuesday 28 January 2003 07:54 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have installed Linux Mandrake 9.0beta on an apple power mac(ppc). upon booting I received the following message: Finding Module Dependencies modprobe:modprobe: Can't locate module keydev The system hangs at this point and will not boot up, it just sits there. I will try to somehow fix this problem. If anyone can heip, I will appreciate it. O Ummm, I do believe the PPC version of mandrake is for G3/G4 processors and higher, and will not work on an ordinary power mac. Civileme __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
On Tuesday 28 January 2003 08:13 am, Jim C wrote: Uh... FUD? What's FUD? Support by contradicting any Red Hat FUD FUD is Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt, which is a sales technique used by people with inferior products. Yeah, they're good, but who knows if they will be around to support you? It is unprofessional to use FUD. The biggest users ever were the old bloated IBM (yeah the company nearly knocked out of business for its arrogance) and even bigger, Microsoft. RH is a valid linux distro and has considerable server markets, and they suffer from some problems as well (everyone has them). Their lists are unfriendly; their organization is inefficient, and they have NO systems on the Netcraft top 50 uptime list (The only two linux systems listed there are Mandrakesoft Advanced Extranet Servers). I have not seen RH using FUD, but then I haven't been paying them much attention. SuSE has used FUD against Mandrakesoft repeatedly, even to the point of timing their layoffs to the SAME day that Mandrakesoft announced its IPO. Of course SuSE has deep pockets behind it, or at least it did when it needed $45 million to stay in business (Intel and IBM). Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Multiple CDROM drive recognition problem
On Thursday 16 January 2003 11:17 am, Joseph Feigon wrote: As a long time Mandrake user, I am continually pleased with the contributions to Expert, and have had numerous questions answered by the talent and resource of everyone's contributions. I am experiencing a minor challenge with an 8.2 production workstation. I am running a stock 2.4.19-16mdksmp on a Dell Precision 410, loaded with multiple SCSI drives, video capture, and a single IDE interface. When I added a SCSI CDRW drive to the system, the IDE CDROM was no longer recognized on boot, and I haven't been able to figure out how to configure it. Ripping and Burning is so much faster with two separate drives, and the fact that one is sitting idle, is quite frustrating. Before the addition of the SCSI CDRW, /dev/cdrom pointed to the IDE connected CDROM. Character devices: 1 mem 2 pty/m%d 3 pty/s%d 4 tts/%d 5 cua/%d 6 lp 7 vcs 10 misc 14 sound 21 sg 29 fb 81 video_capture 128 ptm 136 pts/%d 162 raw Block devices: 1 ramdisk 2 fd 8 sd 9 md 11 sr 65 sd 66 sd And under /dev, cdrom is setup as follows: cdrom - cdroms/cdrom0 where cdrom0 - ../scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/cd. So, how do I make use of the IDE CDROM? There are no entries in the /dev directory pointing to any /dev/h*, as the entire system is SCSI, sans the IDE based CDROM. Thanks in advance for the help! Joseph It is unclear from your description if the IDE is a CDRW or a simple IDE. In the first case, the system would use ide-scsi to recognize it as a scsi device because cdrecord looks only at scsi devices. Actually from time to time there is a debate about defaulting to ide-scsi for all CD/dvd devices, but there are always a few cheaply made dvds which won't work under scsi emulation. But for your purposes since it isn't a cheap DVD, this solution is probably preferable: OK find out from yout boot screen where that furshlugginer IDE device is. For demo purposes I assume it is /dev/hda Go to Mandrake Control Center - Boot - Boot configuration and put hda=ide-scsi in your append line (for all linux boots except failsafe) YES THIS WORKS FOR ORDINARY CD drives as well as CDRWs. now boot and open a terminal su to root # cdrecord --scanbus should tell you where it is You may need to make up /dev entries for it and a line in /etc/fstab You already have a model to follow in the cdrom0 entry Civileme = Joseph Feigon __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
I have some good news and some urgent news 1. I will be returning to the lists. I will have an email address that can handle list level traffic. 2. All of you are desperately needed to complete the push to get Mandrakesoft on a self-sustaining level. For the second one, here is the real story: Mandrakesoft started on a shoestring and a hope, originally as a spare-time project for one person. It was immensely popular from inception and soon MADE A PROFIT. Then arrived the venture capitalists They invested monies but wanted an international team of executives to manage the company. Such a team was acquired. Under that team, the expenses went up about 400% without a concomitant increase in revenue. The direction was modified from a linux distributor to an internet education company with a hook to linux. The soundness of that idea was never proven, as the dot.com bubble burst and investors worldwide went into full retreat. For Mandrakesoft this was a curse and a blessing. The curse was the negative cash position and high burn rate and the blessing was a return to being a linux company. Mandrakesoft has made huge strides in bringing revenue up to meet expenses and in cutting expenses. They tended to trust the word of others which has made their forecasts look overly optimistic several times. But now the break-even point, in the worst-case scenario, is in sight and in a few months. The short term still requires more cash than they have now, to get out that next release. In that next release will be a special piece of software I am contributing. With little to do since my layoff, I have designed a semi-intelligent linux binary installer that can handle most of what you are able to download. It even has hooks to look for things like WineX and to attempt to install windows executables if you have an emulator for them. But if you want to see that next release, consider a club membership or giving club memberships as Christmas gifts or buying stock at approximately the right price. (BTW, MIcrosoft stock which sells at Like $52 /share has 8 billion shares outstanding on a company that earns $25 billion a year in revenue BEFORE expenses-- I call that a heavily watered stock) Mandrakesoft stock is selling for what the company is probably worth. Remember its assets are PEOPLE and their products. People like Pixel and Gael Duval and Denis Havlik and Guillaume Cottenceau make the product and the company what it is. Mandrake also has a hidden asset in the loyalty of contributors, And they are finally selling the right way--software is free if you want it and rather expensive if you expect extensive support. So anyway, expect to see me return to the lists now that I have an email that will handle it without quota problems and (I hope) without any more crack attacks or DDOSes which is what originally set me to dropping my mailserver and forwarding to a hidden webmail host. Still loyal to MandrakeLinux, Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Bastille killed nfs! :-(
Tibbetts, Ric wrote: LOL Sorry.. Been there, done that. I cut a server off at the knees doing things like that. The toughest lesson I had to learn when I first got into Unix many years ago: Screw the GUI, do it by hand. Then when something breaks, you know what it was, and how to fix it. vi/iptables is your friend. Don't trust your site security to a GUI, it's like trusting your 5 year old with a loaded 357. JMHO-YMMV -- Ric Tibbetts Unix Systems Admin. f u cn rd ths u cn gt a gd jb n nx dmnstrtn -Original Message- From: Ronald J. Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 2:32 PM To: Mandrake Expert List Subject: [expert] Bastille killed nfs! :-( Well, I had nfs running perfectly, and then (sadly) I ran BastilleChooser. I picked lax and workstation. Now, I've no longer got nfs. I finally removed all Bastille RPMs thru the software manager, but I still have no nfs. Its installed, its checked under services. If I do a rpcinfo -p, I get this: [root@darkforce darklord]# rpcinfo -p program vers proto port 102 tcp111 portmapper 102 udp111 portmapper 1000241 udp 32768 status 1000241 tcp 32768 status 6001000691 udp797 fypxfrd 6001000691 tcp799 fypxfrd 3910022 tcp 32769 sgi_fam I can do a service nfs restart and directly run rpc.nfsd and then I get: [root@darkforce darklord]# rpcinfo -p program vers proto port 102 tcp111 portmapper 102 udp111 portmapper 1000241 udp 32768 status 1000241 tcp 32768 status 6001000691 udp797 fypxfrd 6001000691 tcp799 fypxfrd 3910022 tcp 32769 sgi_fam 151 udp 32770 mountd 151 tcp 32770 mountd 152 udp 32770 mountd 152 tcp 32770 mountd 153 udp 32770 mountd 153 tcp 32770 mountd 132 udp 2049 nfs 133 udp 2049 nfs 1000211 udp 32771 nlockmgr 1000213 udp 32771 nlockmgr 1000214 udp 32771 nlockmgr Now, nfs is up and running. Until I reboot. Then I have to go thru the same thing again. So my questions are: How to get nfs auto running at boot up again? How can a person use Bastille so that it doesn't kill nfs and your LAN? Thanks everyone... -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Well in /etc/Bastille/bastille-firewall.cfg examine these lines TCP_LOCAL_SERVICES= You need to put in the ports you want to use locally there, separated by blanks with a colon between low and high for a range Also there is a trusted interface line for LOCAL which will be just lo or loopback change it to include the interface for the local net for portmap/nfs you need 109:111 but I usually trust the whole local net unless it is a workplace environment and use 15:65535 Bastille-Chooser of course makes very very conservative choices. But these guys are right--there is no substitute for knowledge when firewalling. And if you hand edit with one thing at a time (and no need to use vi--there are other editors, use what you are comfortable with but run it out of a su terminal) then the backup file left by the text editor is a traceback to what you had before you made a mistake--so each mistake becomes a learning experience. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Club advocates: Post Positive
J. Craig Woods wrote: civileme wrote: I am one of the people bit by the cutbacks to keep Mandrake afloat and I STILL agree that their policy is on track. The idiots (and I can and will use that word for the lamers whose heads are so wrapped up in business they can't see five minutes into the future, now that I am not a Mandrakesoft Employee) who retreat to the tried and true business principles practiced successfully only by monopolies the minute the going gets a little rough, simply do not understand this market NOR do they notice where Mandrakesoft's assets are. Civileme Ah hell! Does that mean your off the list for awhile? It seems like only yesteday that you were getting back from your last leave of absence. My, how time does fly. Well I am sure conditions will improve, and you will be back again in some official role. I guy with your experience will always land on his feet Good luck, drjung Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Doesn't mean I will be off-list--this was something I did before I was ever an employee--just means I won't have so much insider info to share. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Thanks Civileme (was Mandrake Club advocates: PostPo sitive)
Tibbetts, Ric wrote: But one does have to wonder how much Civileme's attitude will change. ;) In the past, we could always count on his level-headedness in defending some of Mandrakesofts decisions, and to point out the good business sense behind them. It has been a calming influence in many discussions on this list that have, at times become heated. It will be interesting to see if he can maintain that calm now. And if he'll be so quick to defend Mandrakesoft. Just some stray thoughts, from a madman... Although, I never did quite figure out how to pronounce your name! G -- Ric Tibbetts Unix Systems Admin. -Original Message- From: David Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 1:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Thanks Civileme (was Mandrake Club advocates: PostPositive) The true mark of great leadership within a company is management's ability to attract and maintain key individuals. Whatever the backdrop to the situation actually is, Mandrakesoft's inability to maitain its relationship with Civileme is an incredible loss both to Mandrakesoft and to us all. Best of luck to you Civileme in whatever your future holds, but one request: PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE THE LIST! Daniel Woods wrote: Well, as much as I may have helped the company, in producing product the essential folks are Guillaume Cottenceau, Warly, Damien Krotkine, Pixel, David Baudens, Fred Lepied, Juan Quintela, Francois Pons, Fred Krozat, Daouda Lo and a few others. I agree with their evaluation as to who could be supported. And I am not exactly gone. I'll be on list and I will be volunteering some time to MandrakeExpert every week. As for defending Mandrakesoft, as long as they continue to carry the banner of free software, I won't have any problem with that. This is kind of an emergency measure on their part to keep enough cash to allow the direct sales of PCs and other items to kick in additional revenue--run out of cash and the doors close forever... Jacques Le Marois committed to hiring all the layoffs back when the situation bears fruit. I am more concerned with the folks who want to make mandrakesoft a company like SuSE. SuSE would be history except that IBM and Intel bailed them out last year for like $45 million. Yet the same folks on the list want Mandrakesoft to shift to a SuSE model? Horsefeathers and Applesauce! United Linux is three companies who cannot make it because their restrictive policies hurt them and one which is(was?) a free software company--the fact is the big sellers now are the ones that are basically free software--RH and Mandrake. That is the market and no amount of business philosophy is going to alter market realities nor is it going to alter the true assets of a free software company which does not reside in intellectual property. Let us suppose that someone decides to close up the source and make the copyright proprietary -- then the PREVIOUS release has GPL stuff people can develop in another direction... How long do you think it would take for someone else to do to Mandrake what Mandrake did to RedHat? I can practically guarantee it would be less than a month. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] setting IRQ on a pci card
James Sparenberg wrote: On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:14:05 -0400 HoytDuff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: On Sunday 11 August 2002 06:19 pm, you wrote: Hoyt, thanks could you send me links to that thread? RH suffers even more than Mandrake does on these boxes and I'd love a solid fix. Upgrade and rebuild is fine as long as the end result is a solid 8.2 BEFORE 9.0 comes out *grin* James That was the entire thread other than my post to it. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com Fix it until it breaks. Hoyt thanks Still not happy here with the results/answers (Not complaining about the people who give the answers just that the answers all point to crap hardware on EVERY ones part. Where do you go for solid chipsets?) Need to keep digging. There are many names I have for this box right now. Stable is not one of them. . Somtimes I miss my k-6 James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Mostly, SiS seems solid. Never a high performer, and certainly lacking some bells and whistles--at least they are linux-friendly and less buggy than most. Crap hardware is the result of intense competition for diminishing bucks. The market is cost-sensitive and becoming more so, and the race to the marketplace prohibits extensive testing, (and most folk have software that masks the bugs of the hardware). Best of luck with your BoxOfFiftyNames. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
jerry white wrote: Michael Viron wrote: You need to purchase 700 MB cds in order to burn them. But I DO have 700 meg cds x24 speed the size of cd1 is 700.9 megs so by time write info on disk leaves off 900kb of files same true for cd2 Michael -- Michael Viron Project Manager / Primary Developer / Manager of Online Operations General Education Online http://www.findaschool.org At 07:29 AM 8/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com 734003200 is 700Mb remember MB is 2^20 not 10^6 They fit on my CDs, try TAO with no pregap. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2beta won't fit on cd-r
James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:29:10 -0400 jerry white [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabed a keyboard and said: I am new to the list so may this has been answered. I searched th archives and found nothing. I have downloaded all 3 isos did m5sum on them all checked out ok. But when Itry to burn cd 1 or 2 gcombust tells Me theres not enough room on disk. What am I missing and how can I burn good copies if some parts are left off?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Jerry White Jerry, I may be wrong but my expeience with a number of GUI based Burner programs is that they won't burn larger than 650mbs to a disk. Even if you have an 800mb CD-W disk and burner.(Windows and Linux don't know on MAC) But cdrecord from the command line burns well. From a command line type: cdrecord -v speed=xx dev=X,X,X -data nameofiso.iso Where the xx is the speed your burning at (I'd recommend burning at a little less than the maximum CD burners give you better results then.) and X,X,X is the dev. To find the Dev you need cdrecord -scanbus You should get an output that looks something like this. Cdrecord 1.11a19 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2002 Jörg Schilling Linux sg driver version: 3.1.22 Using libscg version 'schily-0.6' scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'ASUS' 'CRW-1610A ' '1.20' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * scsibus1: 1,0,0 100) 'SanDisk ' 'ImageMate II' '1.30' Removable Disk 1,1,0 101) * 1,2,0 102) * 1,3,0 103) * 1,4,0 104) * 1,5,0 105) * 1,6,0 106) * 1,7,0 107) * If you notice Mine has two items on the bus and my CD-RW is on 0,0,0 (commas not periods) So the command I use is.(btw -v means verbos) cdrecord -v speed=12 dev=0,0,0 -data cd1.iso James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com xcdroast did OK Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] vpn solution
Dodd, David J wrote: Has anyone used the links cable /DELL VPNS router with Linux or SUN? I called linksys and they only support windoz... If not has anyone used a VPN solution to secure a wireless access point? I have a linksys wireless access point and want to secure it further with a VPN. thanks dave Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com use VNC... VPN uses a proprietary protocol as well as TCP which would require massive script overhaul. Free VNC clients are available for Windows, Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Club advocates: Post Positive
Michael Holt wrote: I'm not quite sure of the roots of this email, I jumped in late. I have just read several posts in the thread and would like to add a couple of words. Even though I love using Mandrake (it's on most of my computers including my server), if it weren't around, I would choose another version. Yes, I like Mandrake's config tools, but I could live without them. I think that I heard a couple of people alluding to Mandrake making their config tools proprietary. Again, I heard other people talking about making only previous version of Mandrake free for download. Both of these things IMHO would take Mandrake off of most people's computers for good. Till Kampeter has done wonderful work with cups and printing - and I'm sure other people could name people(s) that did something great with some other aspect of Mandrake; but I don't use Suse because I can't download the latest version ISO. Linux is more than just an operating system or software at this point - it's a movement, it's an entity. It's not just one company that has put Linux together or created what it has become. It's people on developers lists world-wide and even though I sincerely appreciate the work of the developers at Mandrake, they could not have made the distribution that Linux-Mandrake is today without the help of all those people world-wide. People give suggestions and figure things out and beta test and basically take up there time for the same reason that people give time and money to churches and other organizations. People like me are using Linux and telling everyone around about it because of the absolute irritation that's created by the arrogance of a guy named Bill Gates; a man who I believe has the audacity to try and patent the air we breathe! I realize that people need to make money, but leave it in the pay for support arena. There's already several poles out there that show the biggest complaint with Linux is the lack of corporate support even when you pay for it - the market is there!! One last comment, I like to make money, who doesn't? I do believe however, that EVERYONE has a right to technology. How many people believe that it costs phone companies the $50+ per month they charge me for a cell phone? How many people think it's just right on target that I'm charged $80 per month for 1.5M/384K dsl? How many technologies are stalled simply because we have to figure out a business model for charging for the product? That's bull-crap! Everyone should be able to get dsl, it should be included in regular phone service! I'm sorry for the length of the email, but I hope there's someone out there who understands what I said and agrees. Thanks, Mike -- Michael Holt Banning, CA(o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com AOL for Dummies is kind of redundant, don't you think? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Agree, Mike. SuSE could have a much bigger market share and Caldera is now insignificant, SuSE for its closedness, and Caldera for its abysmal support, proprietary software, and per-seat licensing. I am one of the people bit by the cutbacks to keep Mandrake afloat and I STILL agree that their policy is on track. The idiots (and I can and will use that word for the lamers whose heads are so wrapped up in business they can't see five minutes into the future, now that I am not a Mandrakesoft Employee) who retreat to the tried and true business principles practiced successfully only by monopolies the minute the going gets a little rough, simply do not understand this market NOR do they notice where Mandrakesoft's assets are. The one thing Mandrake has going for it is a very very small group of engineers who have designed a marvelous product. Those folk ccould be making rwice as much somewhere else without the 90-hour weeks they voluntarily work now. Start charging for the software in the wise of closed-source or anything hinting of Bill Gates tactics and that asset will vanish so fast no one will know what happened. The caliber of people there cannot be held by offers of more money, even if there was more money to offer them. Get a clue! Make it work as free software or watch it die. Quit the sideline sniping which is unproductive and clueless. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Software RAID
Mark Lucas wrote: Thanks for this help but: ... basically you need a non-RAID /boot partition with an initrd that loads the RAID modules. how do I do this? I have /boot on my non-RAID disk. My RAID is mounted at /home. How do I set up the initrd to load RAID modules? Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Now I really don't understand... I need to see your disk configuration. Softwarte RAID, at least linux software RAID does not go by the disk, but rather by the partition. You set up the initrd to load RAID by putting the RAID drivers names into /etc/modules.conf and running mkinitrd... Read the URL I gave you and you can do this all at install. If you have an IDE RAID controller working on this system you are very lucky to have gotten as far as you did. http://www.civileme.net/Softwaredoc/RAIDdoc.html Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Software RAID
Mark Lucas wrote: Thanks for this, I'll have another go. To save confusion my system is as follows: 17Gb IDE drive with partition 1 mounted as root 40Gb IDE drive, single ext3 partition mounted on /data 4Gb SCSI drive with various ext2 partitions 2x9.1Gb SCSI drives with RAID 0 partitions to give /dev/md0 mounted on /home raidtab as follows: raiddev /dev/md0 raid-level 0 persistent-superblock 1 chunk-size 4 nr-raid-disks 2 device /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target2/lun0/part1 raid-disk 0 device /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target3/lun0/part1 raid-disk 1 fstab as follows: /dev/hdc1 / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/ide/host1/bus1/target0/lun0/part1 /data ext3 defaults 0 2 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 ro,nosuid,noauto,exec,user,nodev 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy vfat sync,nosuid,noauto,user,nodev,unhide 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 /usr/local/squid/cache/squid0 ext2 defaults 0 0 /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target2/lun0/part5 /usr/local/squid/cache/squid1 ext2 defaults 0 0 /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target3/lun0/part5 /usr/local/squid/cache/squid2 ext2 defaults 0 0 /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/md0 /home ext2 noauto 0 0 Sorry for any confusion. Mark OK I had a little more complex situation with one IDE and two SCSI drives for my example. I used diskdrake during install to set everything up and I have no problem even though / is on a RAID5. That was on a Compaq Professional Workstation 5000 with dual PPro 200/512s. I think we need to discover how your system is different. I never had trouble with a reboot. Check your /etc/modules.conf Make sure that the scsi driver is the FIRST thing loaded. If the raid is loaded first, it may have nothing to reference and get autocleaned though that would be quirky in my POV. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Software RAID
Mark Lucas wrote: I've set up a software RAID 0 on my 8.2 system and it works very well. Until, that is, I need to restart at which point the system won't mount /dev/md0 and complains of 'invalid file type'. I don't have to restart very often (thankfully) but when I do I need to make a backup forst then reset the RAID when the system comes up. This is a real pain! Anybody had a similar problem? Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Check http://www.civileme.net/Softwaredoc/RAIDdoc.html Your question should be answered there... basically you need a non-RAID /boot partition with an initrd that loads the RAID modules. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Printer margins in KDE/Konqueror
Jim Tarvid wrote: A long standing irritation. I get chided everytime I go to a windows machine to print out a web page. Under the best of circumstances, 2 or three lines form the bottom of one page appear at the top of the next. At worst, it is really ugly. alignmargins upchucks with several error messages and part of the intended text. It doesn't solve the problem in any case. Since almost acceptable output can be obtained from other programs, and other machines running other operating systems, I am loath to screw up settings in the printer nor the workstation. Jim Tarvid Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Well, sounds like you have the european paper size set in Konqueror and are using letter size paper. Either change your paper size settings or change your paper. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Blackhats and md5sums
Well, if you think you are safe rebuilding from source, think again... 1. Systems affected: OpenSSH version 3.2.2p1, 3.4p1 and 3.4 have been trojaned on the OpenBSD ftp server and potentially propagated via the normal mirroring process to other ftp servers. The code was inserted some time between the 30th and 31th of July. We replaced the trojaned files with their originals at 7AM MDT, August 1st. 2. Impact: Anyone who has installed OpenSSH from the OpenBSD ftp server or any mirror within that time frame should consider his system compromised. The trojan allows the attacker to gain control of the system as the user compiling the binary. Arbitrary commands can be executed. - (http://www.openssh.org/txt/trojan.adv) So unless you've built OpenSSH from source in the last couple of days, you should be OK. Anyone who upgraded to 3.4 back in June when it came out should be fine. Of course if people downloading openssh checked it against the md5sum on the site, they would have discovered a bad download. In actuality, someone inserted source to contact a remote server. How they managed to get that on a site running OpenBSD is another question entirely, since it is supposed to be the most secure thing around. This illustrates once again that security is a process, and that no system is inherently secure. Some systems make it a little easier to lock down and some make themselves nigh-on impossible to protect. And it is a huge mistake to entrust security to a computer system and forget the human component of such systems which can cause circumvention of the best-designed computer measures. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to use sudo?
David Guntner wrote: I'd look this up in the man page, but the package doesn't seem to have one I'm trying to use sudo for some tasks that I start up, so that I don't have to do a full su to root in a shell window first and then execute the command that I want to run. However, I can't seem to get the thing to let me do it. I've edited /etc/sudoers to allow group wheel to execute all command, and I made sure that my regular user account is part of that group. Then I type something really simple like sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog. It then prompts me for a password. No matter what password I put in (even when I put in the root password), it tells me the password is wrong. So, what the heck password does sudo want from me? :-) --Dave Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com It wants the password for your user... But on to another question, what did you edit sudoers with? I hope it was visudo, because nothing else is likely to produce proper results. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How to use sudo?
David Guntner wrote:
civileme grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
David Guntner wrote:
I've edited /etc/sudoers to allow group wheel to execute all command, and I
made sure that my regular user account is part of that group. Then I
type something really simple like sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog. It then
prompts me for a password. No matter what password I put in (even when I
put in the root password), it tells me the password is wrong.
So, what the heck password does sudo want from me? :-)
It wants the password for your user...
The password for WHAT user? If I do sudo {some command}, doesn't it try
to run {some command} as root? I thought that was kind-of the idea? :-)
I've tried putting in the root password, but it doesn't take that, although
I can su to root all day with that same password.
But on to another question, what did you edit sudoers with? I hope it
was visudo, because nothing else is likely to produce proper results.
Yes. I looked at sudoers first, and noticed the comment at the top of the
file saying that it needed to be edited with visudo. So I used that
program to edit the file.
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sudo is a per-user type gateway to (possibly limited) programs that
normally run as root.
when you sudo it will ask for the USER password (your current logged user)
Then it willl give you a 5-minute window of (possibly limited) root
privileges. There would be no point in asking for the root passwrod,
because su does that and gives an unlimited window to all root privs.
And if the user isn't authorized in sudoers, it sends mail to root,
reporting the incident
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Re: [expert] possible problems with devfsd standard configuration in Mandrake 8.2
Robert Grasso wrote: Hello, I am reporting strange problems with my Mandrake 8.2 installation on my Intel PC - maybe the key is with devfsd (Mandrake version is devfsd-1.3.25-1.1mdk). I am a 10-years Unix-user, and a 2 years part-time Unix/Linux admin, but I really don't know devfsd. So I have been reporting several symptoms for several weeks/months : - sometimes after logging, the OS partially hangs : ps -ef does not complete, and I need to reboot - after the second reboot, the OS always works (I mean, ps -ef displays completely); but always, I have modprobe defunct and this modprobe is the son of devfsd (which I unfortunately don't know :-( BTW, the previous partial ps -ef never includes this modprobe defunct - in /var/log/messages, I always have at boot: devfsd: error calling: symlink in GLOBAL devfsd[70]: error calling: unlink in GLOBAL Finally, one strange symptom, that I did not connect to devfsd at the beginning : while scrolling with the wheel in galeon overloaded with maybe 20 or 30 tabs in 6 windows (not konqueror or netscape or else) regularly the session crashed, bringing me back to the login window, and leaving on the virtual consoles (I have only two) a white square/rectangle, 1 inch for each side nearly, including a fixed ugly cursor arrow. Gradually, I became sure that that the wheel caused the crash. Today, I crashed the session while scrolling in evolution, moving the wheel in evolution for the first time in the session, just the first step of the forward move of the wheel; I just migrated to evolution these days. I spent today some time to try to go a bit deeper; I read the man pages of devfsd and devfsd.conf, discovered the startup of devfsd in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit and also the one in /etc/rc.d/init.d. As I did not understand clearly the use of the former, I removed the symlink in /etc/rc5.d and rebooted. Now I seem to be able to scroll with the wheel as much as I want in galeon and evolution, and the scroll even seems to be very light and rapid. Some more tests : devfsd, even with the defunct modprobe, dies quietly with pkill devfsd : and the defunct modprobe disappears ! Then I restart it by hand (/sbin/devfsd /dev) and rerun /etc/rc.d/init.d/devfsd start by hand : no modprobe defuncts !!! I don't understand ... As devfsd is S99devfsd in /etc/rc5.d with some others (linuxconf, medusa, local), I renumbered these so that devfsd is really the last one : no use, I still got modprobe defunct ... Unfortunately, I did not see anything useful in the logs (/var/log). I browsed in Google, but I did not see anyone with my problem. Does somebody have an idea ? I am pasting at the end my devfsd.conf : I commented in several USB lines (what tool generated them ???) so it's now identical to the original one from the rpm (excepted some spaces here and there) Best regards Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com devfsd is still very much bleeding edge... Maybe this next go-round the tide will turn, but someone has to get it tested and working because There are USB memories (storage devices) and CDRWs and webcams and scanners and mice that regularly get plugged in or removed in a hotswap fashion. hotplug is part of the answer, but devices have to ne made and removed dynamically as well and that is the function of devfs. There are firewire hard drives that will soon need support, too. And all of that fluff to some of us is still vital to many users, and it isn't all fluff, either. If you want to build in a failover capability, then the system has to be able to handle the hotswap of drives, so even entry into mid-level servers is partially dependent on devfs. OK, for the rest of it, I have no idea... I am not able to reproduce the messages or behavior on any of my 8.2 machines, so it is a good question. I have the following: 1. Intel BP810 Chipset Celeron 466 128M 10G CDROM floppy, USB mouse and keyboard (Yep a logo-removed barbie(tm)) 2. ASUS A7N266-VM Duron 1G 512M DDR 40G 20G (RAIDed with dual-boot fior win) PS/2 Kbd USB Optical wheelmouse CDRW/DVD 3. Jetway 630TCF with 900MHz C3 192M SDRAM 20G Acer CDRW USB Optical wheelmouse PS/2 kbd 4. ECS K7S5A Voodoo5 5500 800MHz T-Bird 256M SDRAM PS/2 Optical Wheelmouse and Kbd, CDRW 5. Compaq Professional Workstation 5000 Twin 200MHz PPro 512K cache matched step 160M RAM PS/2 Optical wheelmouse PS/2 Kbd, NEC PD drive, 2G 4G SCSI-UW drives. 6. ECS P6VEM C3 733 256M PS/2 Mouse and Kbd 40G, LS120, CD 7. IBM PC300GL PII-300 192MRAM 12G Wearnes CDRW PS/2 Optical Wheelmouse, PS/2 Kbd Intel LX type chipset with embedded CL video on mainboard. Civileme And if you would care to actually paste devfsd.conf this time around, I will read it with interest Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PCMCIA: Texas Instruments PCI1420 not working after kernel-update
t_gecks wrote: configuration: Mandrake 8.1 lspci: ... 00:04.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1420 00:04.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1420 ... Windows says: PCI1420 at i/o-address 0x3e0 and irq 11 tried that with [root@... root]# modprobe i82365 i365_base=0x3e0 cs_irq=11 resulted in: /lib/modules/2.4.18-8.2mdk/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/i82365.o.gz: init_module: No such device The pcmcia worked before i updated the kernel. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com You are lucky _ANYTHING_ works after updating the kernel. You do not update kernels. If you have an updated kernel, you INSTALL it. Afterward you have the choice in LILO of booting either kernel. If you use update instead you have the new kernel with the old kernel modules, a definite mismatch when trying to load modules. Hmmm, you did not say your version but I know we had changed numbering schemes in 8.2 so the automated tools would not update kernels and our advisories which accompany such updates clearly states not to update. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Hack attack or not?
David Guntner wrote:
Hi,
This morning, I ran chkrootkit on my ML 8.2 system, and everything turned
up with the usual nothing found message, except the last one. It came
up:
Checking 'sniffer'... Checking 'wted'... 2 deletions found between {time}
and {time}
(The {time} is just me saving myself some typing - there were actually
times present. :)
Question: Based on this, is my system likely to have been compromised or
not? For that matter, what's wted?
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wted -- wtmp editor
http://www.cleo-and-nacho.com/cnd/text/hackkit.txt
Reading the whole doc will be educational. The grammar isn't perfect
but the message is unusually clear.
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Re: [expert] Hack attack or not?
David Guntner wrote:
civileme grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
David Guntner wrote:
Checking 'sniffer'... Checking 'wted'... 2 deletions found between {time}
and {time}
Question: Based on this, is my system likely to have been compromised or
not? For that matter, what's wted?
wted -- wtmp editor
http://www.cleo-and-nacho.com/cnd/text/hackkit.txt
Reading the whole doc will be educational. The grammar isn't perfect
but the message is unusually clear.
I'm reading it now, and I am not heartened by what I see
Is there anything that could cause the checker to trip on that? I.E., is
there something else which could result in it thinking that something was
removed from wtmp?
I'm pretty careful in my password choices and am on the mandrake-security
announce list so that I know when a fix has been released (and I put it in
right away), so I'm really curious as to how someone could have gotten in,
installed that program, run it to cover up whatever else it was they did,
and then remove it.
And, I'm *not* enjoying the prospect of having to wipe and reinstall my
system :-/
Any other thoughts on the subject? Or is it just time to push the button,
Max? (Probably no one will get the joke, but I'm sure you understand the
meaning... :)
--Dave
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Well, you noted I was very terse in my message. I hate to be the bearer
of bad news. But first try
Put in CD#1
cd /mnt/cdrom
rpm -ivh --force basesystem-8.2-1mdk.i586.rpm
This will generally blow away anything done to /bin /sbin or /lib
Use the now good ls and rgrep tools to scan other directories for
martians--if you see any, by God, push the button.
If you are in an unfriendly environment it is time to consider a
separate firewall machine between you and the web. Mandrake SNF is
exceptionally conservative, not even allowing a DMZ, and is configurable
from inside via a web browser. MNF is coming soon and will have
stateful firewalling which is an additional degree of security.
Now as to how this may happen, have you ever connected via ftp? Or
downloaded by http? There is a way (and damned near undetectable if you
are more than a few hops from both client and server) to desynchronize
the ends of a TCP connection and become a machine in the middle, acting
as server to the client and client to the server. (There is also
another way of doing this with https, sometimes called
Man-in-the-middle.) These are very sophisticated attacks run by
knowledgeable blackhats and not by script kiddies.
To avoid such problems,
NEVER accept self-signed certirficates.
NEVER download pure binaries--download source unless it is something
like a full iso.
Grab md5sums for what you do download from a different mirror (and check
them). Don't download isos for which there are no md5sums available.
(Exception: Really old stuff or really new--crackers are unlikely to
have infected copise to supply.
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Re: [expert] Error... Disk failure?
D. Olson wrote: I woke up this morning and turned my computer on. It just sat there while trying to mount an NFS share on my server computer. So I turned on the server monitor to find lots of lines of error explanation... I couldn't copy and paste them, as the computer wouldn't do anything. I didn't feel like writing it all out by hand either. But I did get another error on a different VTT. Device 08:02 not ready I/O error: dev 08:02, sector 944920 So umm... I have two SCSI drives in here, my uptime was over 52 days, and it has been quite cool here, as far as room temperature goes. Now, my question is, since I am using ReiserFS, could another filesystem type have recovered from this? I could still hit enter and get a new prompt, but if I put any commands in, if just didn't do anything (pico, uptime, ifconfig, etc). Or am I totally off here? And how do I know what device 08:02 really is? Thanks! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com 08=major number 02=minor number In the old-style device assignments before devfs it would mean this 08 = SCSI drives 0 minor is first, 16 minor is second etc so 08:02 is SCSI drive first, partition 2 -- that is where the sector error is. It is likely permanent. (yes, it is a little-known fact that partitions on a SCSI drive are limited to 15 while on an IDE they are limited to 63 per drive.) Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
