Re: [expert] Realtek 8139
On Saturday 26 July 2003 09:57 pm, John Haywood wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 07:21 pm, Michael Adams wrote: Ensure you are not using the '8139too' driver. Its a little buggy and this shows during high bandwidth usage. BTW Donald Becker is THE linux network card driver guru, this site is predominantly based on his work and explains where i am coming from. http://www.scyld.com/network/rtl8139.html Given that Donald Becker has completely panned the 8139too driver, why is it included in the Mandrake distribution? I would think that they'd only want the better code, instead of a module denounced as buggy or at best a sub-optimal implementation. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Realtek 8139
On Sun, 2003-07-27 at 08:19, Glenn Burkhardt wrote: On Saturday 26 July 2003 09:57 pm, John Haywood wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 07:21 pm, Michael Adams wrote: Ensure you are not using the '8139too' driver. Its a little buggy and this shows during high bandwidth usage. BTW Donald Becker is THE linux network card driver guru, this site is predominantly based on his work and explains where i am coming from. http://www.scyld.com/network/rtl8139.html Given that Donald Becker has completely panned the 8139too driver, why is it included in the Mandrake distribution? I would think that they'd only want the better code, instead of a module denounced as buggy or at best a sub-optimal implementation. Two reasons I can think of. It's expected by people so they get less hassle including it than removing it. It's more of a pain to remove it from the kernel than it's worth. Again note that this is opinion not fact. I don't speak for them. james Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Realtek 8139
Viestissä Sunnuntai 27 Heinäkuu 2003 22:54, James Sparenberg kirjoitti: On Sun, 2003-07-27 at 08:19, Glenn Burkhardt wrote: On Saturday 26 July 2003 09:57 pm, John Haywood wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 07:21 pm, Michael Adams wrote: Ensure you are not using the '8139too' driver. Its a little buggy and this shows during high bandwidth usage. BTW Donald Becker is THE linux network card driver guru, this site is predominantly based on his work and explains where i am coming from. http://www.scyld.com/network/rtl8139.html Given that Donald Becker has completely panned the 8139too driver, why is it included in the Mandrake distribution? I would think that they'd only want the better code, instead of a module denounced as buggy or at best a sub-optimal implementation. Two reasons I can think of. It's expected by people so they get less hassle including it than removing it. It's more of a pain to remove it from the kernel than it's worth. Again note that this is opinion not fact. I don't speak for them. james AFAIK the reason we need to keep the current 8139too is that is's supports more functions that we actually use, and more cards, and it is constantly updated, to get the bugs out of it (even by DB afaik...) One thing we could do is add the DB:s own driver as an alternative driver for people to use just in case... I'll ask Juan/Nicolas what they think about it... That way everybody would be happy ;-) Regards Thomas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Realtek 8139
On Sun, 2003-07-27 at 13:58, Thomas Backlund wrote: Viestissä Sunnuntai 27 Heinäkuu 2003 22:54, James Sparenberg kirjoitti: On Sun, 2003-07-27 at 08:19, Glenn Burkhardt wrote: On Saturday 26 July 2003 09:57 pm, John Haywood wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 07:21 pm, Michael Adams wrote: Ensure you are not using the '8139too' driver. Its a little buggy and this shows during high bandwidth usage. BTW Donald Becker is THE linux network card driver guru, this site is predominantly based on his work and explains where i am coming from. http://www.scyld.com/network/rtl8139.html Given that Donald Becker has completely panned the 8139too driver, why is it included in the Mandrake distribution? I would think that they'd only want the better code, instead of a module denounced as buggy or at best a sub-optimal implementation. Two reasons I can think of. It's expected by people so they get less hassle including it than removing it. It's more of a pain to remove it from the kernel than it's worth. Again note that this is opinion not fact. I don't speak for them. james AFAIK the reason we need to keep the current 8139too is that is's supports more functions that we actually use, and more cards, and it is constantly updated, to get the bugs out of it (even by DB afaik...) One thing we could do is add the DB:s own driver as an alternative driver for people to use just in case... I'll ask Juan/Nicolas what they think about it... That way everybody would be happy ;-) Regards Thomas Sounds fair enough... IMHO Davicom and Realtek rank right up there with WD hard drives... but ... what do I know. Heck I'm trying to tell earthlink that DNS for one of their networks is down (I'm trying to send one of their customers mail.) and they keep telling me to turn off my computer disconnect all cables and restart the system. *sigh*. James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Realtek 8139
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 07:21 pm, Michael Adams wrote: Ensure you are not using the '8139too' driver. Its a little buggy and this shows during high bandwidth usage. BTW Donald Becker is THE linux network card driver guru, this site is predominantly based on his work and explains where i am coming from. http://www.scyld.com/network/rtl8139.html This may or may not help. I know my experience with the '8139too' left a nasty taste. ... the link on the site to the SRPM´s is bogus, and the compilation of the module by hand from his source is a bit obscure. So for the record, here is how I finally managed to compile for a non-cardbus card (all on one line): gcc -DMODULE -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O6 -c rtl8139.c -I/usr/src/linux/include -include /usr/src/linux/include/linux/modversions.h and for the pci-scan module: cc -DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O6 -c pci-scan.c -I/usr/src/linux/include -include /usr/src/linux/include/linux/modversions.h Now the insmod on the pci-scan works, but fails on the rtl8139.o ...any thoughts? -- john in sydney Mandrake Linux 9.1, Kernel version: 2.4.21-0.18mdk OpenPGP key available on www.keyserver.net 1024D/3E4A902F B38A AB0F 8658 D9E1 4900 3050 08FA D4FA 3E4A 902F Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Realtek 8139
On Sat, 2003-07-26 at 21:57, John Haywood wrote: gcc -DMODULE -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O6 -c rtl8139.c -I/usr/src/linux/include -include /usr/src/linux/include/linux/modversions.h and for the pci-scan module: cc -DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O6 -c pci-scan.c -I/usr/src/linux/include -include /usr/src/linux/include/linux/modversions.h Now the insmod on the pci-scan works, but fails on the rtl8139.o ...any thoughts? What are the errors on insmod? Did you strip the modules before loading? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Realtek 8139
Ensure you are not using the '8139too' driver. Its a little buggy and this shows during high bandwidth usage. BTW Donald Becker is THE linux network card driver guru, this site is predominantly based on his work and explains where i am coming from. http://www.scyld.com/network/rtl8139.html This may or may not help. I know my experience with the '8139too' left a nasty taste. On 16 Jul 2003 02:50:26 +0200 MailServiceDaemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The realtek 8139 equiped NIC's works but many problems is reported. Free BSD says that the 8139 is unstable when auto negotiation. My cable ISP wants half duplex and networkservice hangs when downloading. What i know there are 3 different 8139 chips (A,B,C?). Anyone knows how too find out wich one it is on the NIC? (no screwdriwer) Diference? -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Realtek 8139
The realtek 8139 equiped NIC's works but many problems is reported. Free BSD says that the 8139 is unstable when auto negotiation. My cable ISP wants half duplex and networkservice hangs when downloading. What i know there are 3 different 8139 chips (A,B,C?). Anyone knows how too find out wich one it is on the NIC? (no screwdriwer) Diference? -- Windows, a 32 bit shell and some extensions for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. I'm runing on Linux! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Realtek 8139
On Tue, 16 Jul 2003, MailServiceDaemon wrote: What i know there are 3 different 8139 chips (A,B,C?). Anyone knows how too find out wich one it is on the NIC? (no screwdriwer) Examining the output of lspci, perhaps? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lspci | grep 8139 00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C (rev 10) -- Bill Mullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] MA, USA RLU #270075 MDK 8.1 9.0 In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
