[FairfieldLife] Re: Unified Field: The Key to Enlightenment
You did not make the meeting last night? I did. Was a one hour vid tape of John Hagelin giving foundational principle material of the TMmovement now. Was entirely comprehensive in an hour. Was impassioned conclusive science. Science applied to everything. Both strident and courageous. If only half of it is true, then it is mighty important relevant. For as we have learned nothing else from discussion in Fairfield, The future for the 21st century is research published in respected peer-reviewed scientific journals. Period. Get used to it. This 'peer-review as reputable' is built central and driven as his line of thought. Also developed as central to his argument are the meta-studies that TM is unique and stands out. Right behind that is trademark and proprietorship. The hard pitch then is for wanting government money for the TMmovement is there as conclusion. Consequently it seems is still all about spreading these ideas as a veneer to the moneying of the TMmovement. In step this is all rallying. Hagelin has been given the American movement and this week-long daily presentation is the assembly of his administration. He (they) is (are) moving forward based on this secular version of their knowledge. Firmly given in the way that Hagelin can do it, this coalesces all the institutions of the movment and unifies the arms of the organization. In straight shot video form it is not about Hagelin or Maharishi but is more about the material given in this format. It is very impressive and could seem, entirely virtuous and unassailable. Of course Hagelin's and Maharishi's personal credibility was hard attacked last week and before all over the internet but this starting movement as staged is just about, what Hagelin is saying. In this straight-shot video format as spokesperson, he is removed from the material as such. It is a good move to do it this way. It is about what he is saying. He used and propelled the words `judgment' and `moral reasoning' a lot as indicators of the growing benefit of the practice. Sounds quite credible the way it is given. It was a good re-start of the TMmovement, before Maharishi dies. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF Conference Starts on Monday 7:30pm at MSAE auditorium in Fairfield. The Unified Field, according to modern physics, is the deepest, most powerful level of Nature's functioningand the source of the infinite creativity and intelligence within every individual and displayed throughout the universe. http://www.america.unifiedfieldconferences.org/ A unique new 12-part videotaped conference series will be launched on February 4, 2008, in cities throughout the United States and around the world. The conference videotapes will be presented over 12 consecutive days, from Monday, February 4, to Friday, February 15. The public is invited to attend all conferences. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: The unified field, a construct of physics, and the experience of pure consciousness are not the same. This analogy, which as an analogy worked fine, has now become literal. Yes, it's the experience and a way of saying it anyway. It is just Transcendentalism, said another way. It's your experience too? Not a lot new other than the way of saying it, and their trying to trademark it. And, The future for the 21st century is research published in respected peer-reviewed scientific journals. Period. Get used to it. --- dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Conference Starts on Monday 7:30pm at MSAE auditorium in Fairfield. The Unified Field, according to modern physics, is the deepest, most powerful level of Nature's functioningand the source of the infinite creativity and intelligence within every individual and displayed throughout the universe. http://www.america.unifiedfieldconferences.org/ A unique new 12-part videotaped conference series will be launched on February 4, 2008, in cities throughout the United States and around the world. The conference videotapes will be presented over 12 consecutive days, from Monday, February 4, to Friday, February 15. The public is invited to attend all conferences. om
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unified Field: The Key to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You did not make the meeting last night? I did. Was a one hour vid tape . . . In straight shot video form it is not about Hagelin or Maharishi but is more about the material given in this format. It is very impressive and could seem, entirely virtuous and unassailable. Until one asks simple questions like, Where does all the money go? Or, Why, the TM movement is so invincible, does it feel the need to ban its own members for going to see another spiritual teacher? Of course Hagelin's and Maharishi's personal credibility was hard attacked last week and before all over the internet but this starting movement as staged is just about, what Hagelin is saying. In this straight-shot video format as spokesperson, he is removed from the material as such. It is a good move to do it this way. You miss the point. It is a *necessary* move to do it this way -- by video. If there is no speaker to ask tough questions of, no one can ask tough questions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unified Field: The Key to Enlightenment
I didn't see the video yet (I assume it will soon be available on the web to see for those, like me, that missed it?) but on a cursory reading of the text in the link you provided below, Doug, I have to disagree with you when you say It is very impressive and could seem, entirely virtuous and unassailable and Sounds quite credible the way it is given. It was a good re-start of the TMmovement, before Maharishi dies. Why do I disagree with your assessment, even though I haven't yet seen the video? Because of the propaganda line ...world-renowned quantum physicist Dr. John Hagelin... Is it just me or have others FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS cringed whenever the TMO uses expressions like world-renowned? Is this not the classic definition of hubris? First off, Hagelin is NOT world-renowned. He is renowned in only two geographic locations on God's Green Earth and two locations only: Fairfield, Iowa and Vladivostock, Holland (or whatever that place is called). Secondly, even if he WAS world-renowned, please don't TELL me that he is world-renowned because, by definition, someone who is world- renowned is renowned everywhere and, therefore, doesn't need a description of it attached to his name. It's like continually referring to the sky as the blue sky above our heads. I know it's blue and I know it's above my head by virtue of it being both blue and above my head. People that are truly world-renowned don't need it to be announced every five seconds unless they truly are NOT world-renowned. Sorry, this is NOT an auspicious new beginning but yet more of the same old, same old (bullshit, that is). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You did not make the meeting last night? I did. Was a one hour vid tape of John Hagelin giving foundational principle material of the TMmovement now. Was entirely comprehensive in an hour. Was impassioned conclusive science. Science applied to everything. Both strident and courageous. If only half of it is true, then it is mighty important relevant. For as we have learned nothing else from discussion in Fairfield, The future for the 21st century is research published in respected peer-reviewed scientific journals. Period. Get used to it. This 'peer-review as reputable' is built central and driven as his line of thought. Also developed as central to his argument are the meta-studies that TM is unique and stands out. Right behind that is trademark and proprietorship. The hard pitch then is for wanting government money for the TMmovement is there as conclusion. Consequently it seems is still all about spreading these ideas as a veneer to the moneying of the TMmovement. In step this is all rallying. Hagelin has been given the American movement and this week-long daily presentation is the assembly of his administration. He (they) is (are) moving forward based on this secular version of their knowledge. Firmly given in the way that Hagelin can do it, this coalesces all the institutions of the movment and unifies the arms of the organization. In straight shot video form it is not about Hagelin or Maharishi but is more about the material given in this format. It is very impressive and could seem, entirely virtuous and unassailable. Of course Hagelin's and Maharishi's personal credibility was hard attacked last week and before all over the internet but this starting movement as staged is just about, what Hagelin is saying. In this straight-shot video format as spokesperson, he is removed from the material as such. It is a good move to do it this way. It is about what he is saying. He used and propelled the words `judgment' and `moral reasoning' a lot as indicators of the growing benefit of the practice. Sounds quite credible the way it is given. It was a good re-start of the TMmovement, before Maharishi dies. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF Conference Starts on Monday 7:30pm at MSAE auditorium in Fairfield. The Unified Field, according to modern physics, is the deepest, most powerful level of Nature's functioningand the source of the infinite creativity and intelligence within every individual and displayed throughout the universe. http://www.america.unifiedfieldconferences.org/ A unique new 12-part videotaped conference series will be launched on February 4, 2008, in cities throughout the United States and around the world. The conference videotapes will be presented over 12 consecutive days, from Monday, February 4, to Friday, February 15. The public is invited to attend all conferences. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: The unified field, a construct of physics, and the experience of pure consciousness are not the same. This analogy,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unified Field: The Key to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't see the video yet (I assume it will soon be available on the web to see for those, like me, that missed it?) but on a cursory reading of the text in the link you provided below, Doug, I have to disagree with you when you say It is very impressive and could seem, entirely virtuous and unassailable and Sounds quite credible the way it is given. It was a good re-start of the TMmovement, before Maharishi dies. Why do I disagree with your assessment, even though I haven't yet seen the video? Because of the propaganda line ...world-renowned quantum physicist Dr. John Hagelin... Is it just me or have others FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS cringed whenever the TMO uses expressions like world-renowned? Is this not the classic definition of hubris? First off, Hagelin is NOT world-renowned. He is renowned in only two geographic locations on God's Green Earth and two locations only: Fairfield, Iowa and Vladivostock, Holland (or whatever that place is called). Secondly, even if he WAS world-renowned, please don't TELL me that he is world-renowned because, by definition, someone who is world- renowned is renowned everywhere and, therefore, doesn't need a description of it attached to his name. It's like continually referring to the sky as the blue sky above our heads. I know it's blue and I know it's above my head by virtue of it being both blue and above my head. People that are truly world-renowned don't need it to be announced every five seconds unless they truly are NOT world-renowned. Sorry, this is NOT an auspicious new beginning but yet more of the same old, same old (bullshit, that is). And believe me you really don't want to see it, spare yourself. I cringed all the way through it yesterday. JH honestly thinks that by using terms no-one understands they will assume he is talking sense, (actually, ranting sense) not me I've had a good read of current quantum theory and I happen to know he's talking out of his arse, I suspect he knows it too and if anyone is to challenge his grasp of physics on these conferences the instruction is to give them the opportunity to buy a DVD so they can watch it again! He sounds completely demented to me and yet MMY has claimed everyone must treat what JH says as though M himself said it and all that that entails. The only conclusion I can draw from all this is that the TMO is on self-destruct. Probably not long to go before the last gasp.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unified Field: The Key to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I didn't see the video yet (I assume it will soon be available on the web to see for those, like me, that missed it?) but on a cursory reading of the text in the link you provided below, Doug, I have to disagree with you when you say It is very impressive and could seem, entirely virtuous and unassailable and Sounds quite credible the way it is given. It was a good re-start of the TMmovement, before Maharishi dies. Why do I disagree with your assessment, even though I haven't yet seen the video? Because of the propaganda line ...world-renowned quantum physicist Dr. John Hagelin... Is it just me or have others FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS cringed whenever the TMO uses expressions like world-renowned? Is this not the classic definition of hubris? First off, Hagelin is NOT world-renowned. He is renowned in only two geographic locations on God's Green Earth and two locations only: Fairfield, Iowa and Vladivostock, Holland (or whatever that place is called). Secondly, even if he WAS world-renowned, please don't TELL me that he is world-renowned because, by definition, someone who is world- renowned is renowned everywhere and, therefore, doesn't need a description of it attached to his name. It's like continually referring to the sky as the blue sky above our heads. I know it's blue and I know it's above my head by virtue of it being both blue and above my head. People that are truly world-renowned don't need it to be announced every five seconds unless they truly are NOT world-renowned. Sorry, this is NOT an auspicious new beginning but yet more of the same old, same old (bullshit, that is). And believe me you really don't want to see it, spare yourself. I cringed all the way through it yesterday. JH honestly thinks that by using terms no-one understands they will assume he is talking sense, (actually, ranting sense) not me I've had a good read of current quantum theory and I happen to know he's talking out of his arse, I suspect he knows it too and if anyone is to challenge his grasp of physics on these conferences the instruction is to give them the opportunity to buy a DVD so they can watch it again! He sounds completely demented to me and yet MMY has claimed everyone must treat what JH says as though M himself said it and all that that entails. The only conclusion I can draw from all this is that the TMO is on self-destruct. Probably not long to go before the last gasp. ...which just reinforces my theory: that all this sillyness put forth by MMY over the past 30 years has just been a test to see if teachers and meditators paid attention when he told them in the first five minutes of the first step of the 7-step program that TM is neither a religion or a philosophy.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unified Field: The Key to Enlightenment
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I didn't see the video yet (I assume it will soon be available on the web to see for those, like me, that missed it?) but on a cursory reading of the text in the link you provided below, Doug, I have to disagree with you when you say It is very impressive and could seem, entirely virtuous and unassailable and Sounds quite credible the way it is given. It was a good re-start of the TMmovement, before Maharishi dies. Why do I disagree with your assessment, even though I haven't yet seen the video? Because of the propaganda line ...world-renowned quantum physicist Dr. John Hagelin... Is it just me or have others FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS cringed whenever the TMO uses expressions like world-renowned? Is this not the classic definition of hubris? First off, Hagelin is NOT world-renowned. He is renowned in only two geographic locations on God's Green Earth and two locations only: Fairfield, Iowa and Vladivostock, Holland (or whatever that place is called). Secondly, even if he WAS world-renowned, please don't TELL me that he is world-renowned because, by definition, someone who is world- renowned is renowned everywhere and, therefore, doesn't need a description of it attached to his name. It's like continually referring to the sky as the blue sky above our heads. I know it's blue and I know it's above my head by virtue of it being both blue and above my head. People that are truly world-renowned don't need it to be announced every five seconds unless they truly are NOT world-renowned. Sorry, this is NOT an auspicious new beginning but yet more of the same old, same old (bullshit, that is). And believe me you really don't want to see it, spare yourself. I cringed all the way through it yesterday. JH honestly thinks that by using terms no-one understands they will assume he is talking sense, (actually, ranting sense) not me I've had a good read of current quantum theory and I happen to know he's talking out of his arse, I suspect he knows it too and if anyone is to challenge his grasp of physics on these conferences the instruction is to give them the opportunity to buy a DVD so they can watch it again! He sounds completely demented to me and yet MMY has claimed everyone must treat what JH says as though M himself said it and all that that entails. The only conclusion I can draw from all this is that the TMO is on self-destruct. Probably not long to go before the last gasp. ...which just reinforces my theory: that all this sillyness put forth by MMY over the past 30 years has just been a test to see if teachers and meditators paid attention when he told them in the first five minutes of the first step of the 7-step program that TM is neither a religion or a philosophy. While in prep school, I used to smoke reefer with John and figure out how to get laid at one of the local girls schools. John will only have semi-divine status with me! ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unified Field: The Key to Enlightenment, National Invincibility, and World P
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This buggers the question ??? snip grandpompously conceited lab lords ??? snipThe safe and progressive use of any such subtleties of physics and mind will only occur when the majority of people are tenaciously ethical with a service-oriented heart toward all life in all its forms. The naysayers are merely malignant carcinomas on the body of humanity, they soon will cease to exist on this planet -- a human or other animal incarnation very unlikely in their futures for a very long time. Why do people make statements of what the future will bring and then insult or eventhreaten those who question their conclusion? What purpose could be served? Where is the service oriented heart toward all life in all its forms? Doesn't seem very service oriented to call those who question malignant carcinomas who are going to die. Seems like a no brainer to me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unified Field: The Key to Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The unified field, a construct of physics, and the experience of pure consciousness are not the same. This analogy, which as an analogy worked fine, has now become literal. Yes, it's the experience and a way of saying it anyway. It is just Transcendentalism, said another way. It's your experience too? Not a lot new other than the way of saying it, and their trying to trademark it. And, The future for the 21st century is research published in respected peer-reviewed scientific journals. Period. Get used to it. --- dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conference Starts on Monday 7:30pm at MSAE auditorium in Fairfield. The Unified Field, according to modern physics, is the deepest, most powerful level of Nature's functioningand the source of the infinite creativity and intelligence within every individual and displayed throughout the universe. http://www.america.unifiedfieldconferences.org/ A unique new 12-part videotaped conference series will be launched on February 4, 2008, in cities throughout the United States and around the world. The conference videotapes will be presented over 12 consecutive days, from Monday, February 4, to Friday, February 15. The public is invited to attend all conferences. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: Unified Field: The Key to Enlightenment, National Invincibility, and World P
The Unified Field, according to modern physics, is the deepest, most See the Wikipedia entry on unified field theories http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_field_theory . There is no generally accepted UFT, it's not even clear that field theory is the right concept to be using. It'll be interesting to see what happens when the results come in from CERN regarding super-symmetry and Higgs. Suppose the running orders of the coupling constants don't meet, that could imply that there is no UFT. It'll be a nice test to see if this guy was born with or without a sense of shame.
