Re: GDM Language list...
Jens Petersen wrote: The YumLangpackPlugin Feature that I am planning to propose for F12 may help with this providing langpack-support metapackages. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/YumLangpackPlugin About the gdm menu itself I chatted to Ankit earlier in the week and came up with this rfe: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505484 asking if we could have some gdm system config to control which languages appear by default in the menu. Jens Thanks Jens. -- Regards, Ankit Patel http://www.indianoss.org/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
I have read a lot of people voice their opinion on what they think to be a flaw in the benchmark. How about we as a group put together a documented benchmark process along with justification as to why those methods were chosen to reflect real world scenarios and from there send it to reviewers such as phoronix along with making it public on the wiki or $other. I just think we could try and make an improvement for future reviews as well as users who want to run benchmarks of their own. Just a thought, -Adam (From my G1) On Jun 11, 2009 9:23 PM, Dennis J. denni...@conversis.de wrote: On 06/11/2009 10:07 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: It may be better to engage them, though, and try to ... They use MP3 encoding as a real world benchmark of ext4: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=ext4_benchmarksnum=7 They don't seem to care what they measure or why or what the results actually mean. Phoronix' benchmarks seem to be mostly about earning Phoronix a bad reputation. Regards, Dennis -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/lis... -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Signing server? (Re: Updates testing for F-11)
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 08:54:19PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Christoph Wickertchristoph.wick...@googlemail.com wrote: need it because things need to be predictable for package maintainers. Some updates are processed after a day, others not for two weeks. I'm a bit confused where your date is coming from. 2 weeks seems wrong lately. In fact, since I took over the push stuff, it's normally done daily or as often as the composes allow. Right now, the compose for f11-updates alone is 7-8 hours, so doing it daily often just doesn't work out. But 2 weeks seems wrong. Actually, mashing f11-updates last week took 11 hours. The entire push took about 22. luke -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora PPC console=? to get serial console
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 01:34:25PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Richard W.M. Jonesrjo...@redhat.com wrote: (Posting here because the fedora-ppc list is a bit overrun with spam http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/fedora-ppc/ ) Does anyone know what 'console=...' parameter I should give the Fedora PPC kernel to get it to use a serial console? Debian uses the non-standard form console=ttyPZ0 That is for the special G5 serial cards I believe. I've also seen console=hvc0 mentioned. Obviously I also tried console=ttyS0. hvc0 is for machines like POWER4/5/6 and possibly a couple others. hvc0 is a virtual console device. As well as some PPC machines, its used for Xen paravirt console, and KVM's virtio console device, and possibly s390 too IIRC Daniel -- |: Red Hat, Engineering, London -o- http://people.redhat.com/berrange/ :| |: http://libvirt.org -o- http://virt-manager.org -o- http://ovirt.org :| |: http://autobuild.org -o- http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ :| |: GnuPG: 7D3B9505 -o- F3C9 553F A1DA 4AC2 5648 23C1 B3DF F742 7D3B 9505 :| -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
Am Freitag, den 12.06.2009, 19:55 +1000 schrieb Eric Springer: 2009/6/12 Christoph Höger choe...@cs.tu-berlin.de: Could you explain why mp3 (or ogg) encoding is not a real world benchmark? I do this quite often. Because they are comparing file system on what is a CPU bound test. Notice how all the file systems perform the same. That was their conclusion, too: Anyone who wants fastest possible encoding can use any filesystem. But it has to be measured, as the difference in ogg encoding shows. That's what makes up Real World tests IMO: To test even side effects no one would ever really think of. As in real world you will probably store your encoded files on your filesystem it is good to see that there are no regressions. signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora PPC console=? to get serial console
On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 10:59 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 01:34:25PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Richard W.M. Jonesrjo...@redhat.com wrote: (Posting here because the fedora-ppc list is a bit overrun with spam http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/fedora-ppc/ ) Does anyone know what 'console=...' parameter I should give the Fedora PPC kernel to get it to use a serial console? Debian uses the non-standard form console=ttyPZ0 That is for the special G5 serial cards I believe. I've also seen console=hvc0 mentioned. Obviously I also tried console=ttyS0. hvc0 is for machines like POWER4/5/6 and possibly a couple others. hvc0 is a virtual console device. As well as some PPC machines, its used for Xen paravirt console, and KVM's virtio console device, and possibly s390 too IIRC Along with console=hvc0 for ppc blades and virtual ppc systems, I use console=hvsi0 on some bare metal Power5 ppc64 systems. Thanks, James signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: unable to include capability.h
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 01:48:15PM +0200, Daniel Lezcano wrote: In file included from /usr/include/sys/capability.h:23, from myinclude.c:1: /usr/include/stdint.h:41: error: conflicting types for ?int64_t? /usr/include/linux/types.h:98: note: previous declaration of ?int64_t? was here /usr/include/stdint.h:56: error: conflicting types for ?uint64_t? /usr/include/linux/types.h:96: note: previous declaration of ?uint64_t? was here make: *** [myinclude] Error 1 sys/capability.h is /still/ broken. there was a bug filed against the kernel, but the problem is actually the userspace header, which 'cheats' the preprocessor rather badly: #include linux/types.h #include stdint.h /* * Make sure we can be included from userland by preventing * capability.h from including other kernel headers */ #define _LINUX_TYPES_H #define _LINUX_FS_H #define __LINUX_COMPILER_H #define __user typedef unsigned int __u32; typedef __u32 __le32; #include linux/capability.h nasty... cheers, kyle -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: unable to include capability.h
Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 01:48:15PM +0200, Daniel Lezcano wrote: Is there a trick for that or is it a bug ? Adding #include sys/types.h seems to fix it, so I reckon its a bug in libcap-devel's header files. Actually already reported and closed rawhide, so it should be fixed there... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=483548 Greetings, Ondřej Vašík signature.asc Description: Toto je digitálně podepsaná část zprávy -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On 12.06.2009 13:33, Christoph Höger wrote: Am Freitag, den 12.06.2009, 19:55 +1000 schrieb Eric Springer: 2009/6/12 Christoph Höger choe...@cs.tu-berlin.de: Could you explain why mp3 (or ogg) encoding is not a real world benchmark? I do this quite often. Because they are comparing file system on what is a CPU bound test. Notice how all the file systems perform the same. That was their conclusion, too: Anyone who wants fastest possible encoding can use any filesystem. But it has to be measured, as the difference in ogg encoding shows. That's what makes up Real World tests IMO: To test even side effects no one would ever really think of. As in real world you will probably store your encoded files on your filesystem it is good to see that there are no regressions. Doing such Real World test to find unexpected side effects is a good thing in a lot of cases. But you don't have to publish the results on hundreds of pages if the results are as expected and hence uninteresting. IOW: a lot of those phoronix articles that contain benchmarks could be half as long or even shorter if you rip out the results that are of no value and replace them by No unexpected side effects could be found when running tests foo, bar, baz, foobar, ...; We thus didn't publish the results to not confuse and bore you. Professional, printed computer magazine do things like that -- they have to, because their space is quite limited. But that's not the case on the web, where the methods to raise money make things even worse. Cu knurd -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
rpmconf - tool to handle rpmnew and rpmsave files
I've been tired for some time of watching rpmnew and rpmsave files. I've been looking for some tool, but did not find any, so I wrote my own. http://miroslav.suchy.cz/fedora/rpmconf/rpmconf Before I spend more times on this script, I would like to hear your opinion. Do you find it useful? Did it already exists and I miss it in my search? Do you see any bugs there? What it does: - run rpmconf --help and you will see :) - it search all config file of all installed packages and check if file with .rpmsave or .rpmnew exists. - It allows you to see diff of this file against current file. - It allows you to keep current version or the other one (rpmsave or rpmnew one). - it deletes .rpmsave and .rpmnew files which are identical to current file - after your choice it deletes the unwanted file. And what it does not do: - it do not delete anything. At least until you comment out DEBUG variable on begging of script. - it does not search for *all* rpmsave and rpmnew files. It only search for installed configuration files. If package has been uninstalled and rpmsave has been left behind, then I do not care. If rpmsave or rpmnew has been created in past and now the config file is not presented in package any more, then I do not care too. And before you comment out DEBUG variable, obvious question. Do you have backups? :) -- Miroslav Suchy Red Hat Satellite Engineering -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora rawhide rebuild in mock status 2009-06-08 x86_64
All the packages with my name against them should be fixed now. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Emerging Technologies, Red Hat http://et.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com Fedora now supports 75 OCaml packages (the OPEN alternative to F#) http://cocan.org/getting_started_with_ocaml_on_red_hat_and_fedora -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: unable to include capability.h
Kyle McMartin wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 01:48:15PM +0200, Daniel Lezcano wrote: In file included from /usr/include/sys/capability.h:23, from myinclude.c:1: /usr/include/stdint.h:41: error: conflicting types for ?int64_t? /usr/include/linux/types.h:98: note: previous declaration of ?int64_t? was here /usr/include/stdint.h:56: error: conflicting types for ?uint64_t? /usr/include/linux/types.h:96: note: previous declaration of ?uint64_t? was here make: *** [myinclude] Error 1 sys/capability.h is /still/ broken. there was a bug filed against the kernel, but the problem is actually the userspace header, which 'cheats' the preprocessor rather badly: #include linux/types.h #include stdint.h /* * Make sure we can be included from userland by preventing * capability.h from including other kernel headers */ #define _LINUX_TYPES_H #define _LINUX_FS_H #define __LINUX_COMPILER_H #define __user typedef unsigned int __u32; typedef __u32 __le32; #include linux/capability.h Grumf ! that's annoying :( Thank you very much for your quick answer ! :) As I only need the CAP_SYS_BOOT, I will define it manually in the source code and will remove the include, that's ugly but anyway... :/ As I understood, the fix in the kernel conflicts with the workaround in userspace, right ? I was wondering if I should notify this to the maintainer of the libcap or is it already known ? Thanks -- Daniel -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On 06/11/2009 10:41 PM, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: Eric Sandeen wrote: I don't know much about apache but I bet a default ./configure winds up with different builds depending on the build environment, which in this case is probably dictated by whatever the default generic OS intall contains. And this is useful how? Geez. Me, I'd rather know how -Fedora's- httpd fares against -Ubuntu's- httpd, but maybe I'm just nuts. I did *basic* ebizzy[1] tests on f10/f11, and f11 is 1/2 worse. To compare run also against je[2], it is FreeBSD malloc. ... Nice find! Maybe we can run the real world test suite (benchmark) before the next release and try to straighten out such odds. Most of the benchmark results they post are not showing scientific results, only when something is really odd, like here, they have their use. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Signing server? (Re: Updates testing for F-11)
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, Luke Macken wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 08:54:19PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Christoph Wickertchristoph.wick...@googlemail.com wrote: need it because things need to be predictable for package maintainers. Some updates are processed after a day, others not for two weeks. I'm a bit confused where your date is coming from. 2 weeks seems wrong lately. In fact, since I took over the push stuff, it's normally done daily or as often as the composes allow. Right now, the compose for f11-updates alone is 7-8 hours, so doing it daily often just doesn't work out. But 2 weeks seems wrong. Actually, mashing f11-updates last week took 11 hours. The entire push took about 22. seems like that is a creating prestodelta.xml bug that we're working on now. -sv -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: unable to include capability.h
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 03:02:39PM +0200, Daniel Lezcano wrote: Grumf ! that's annoying :( Thank you very much for your quick answer ! :) As I only need the CAP_SYS_BOOT, I will define it manually in the source code and will remove the include, that's ugly but anyway... :/ As I understood, the fix in the kernel conflicts with the workaround in userspace, right ? I was wondering if I should notify this to the maintainer of the libcap or is it already known ? Someone else suggested including sys/types.h first, which should work around it. That's what GNU coreutils did... (a change in the include ordering broke it.) Which release are you seeing this on... F-11? cheers, Kyle -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 03:03:58PM +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: Nice find! Maybe we can run the real world test suite (benchmark) before the next release and try to straighten out such odds. Most of the benchmark results they post are not showing scientific results, only when something is really odd, like here, they have their use. It's almost certainly attributable to the default install using audit. Roland and various others have done a lot of work improving things, but there is always going to be a per-syscall overhead to this kind of thing. A few extra usec a syscall adds up after a few hundred thousand calls... regards, Kyle -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Signing server? (Re: Updates testing for F-11)
Josh Boyer wrote: No. It simply is not possible. See my (and Luke's) email on how long a single push takes. Seth says the 22-hour run is a bug. If a run can be done in ~8 hours, that means an automated update procedure could do about 3 per day. But of course, if it takes one day, then let's do one per day. I'm not asking for the impossible. ;-) Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Thorsten Leemhuisfed...@leemhuis.info wrote: IOW: a lot of those phoronix articles that contain benchmarks could be half as long or even shorter if you rip out the results that are of no value and replace them by No unexpected side effects could be found when running tests foo, bar, baz, foobar, ...; We thus didn't publish the results to not confuse and bore you. You mean like clicking the link to the last page and reading the summary there? I do that for every review that I read. I always read the summary at the end after getting through the introductory material. I don't even look at the graphs unless they mention some issue at the end. The better sites don't require you to read the all of material between the beginning and the end of a review. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Signing server? (Re: Updates testing for F-11)
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Josh Boyer wrote: No. It simply is not possible. See my (and Luke's) email on how long a single push takes. Seth says the 22-hour run is a bug. If a run can be done in ~8 hours, that means an automated update procedure could do about 3 per day. Theoretically, yes. In reality, probably not. At least not until we get some of the other items in place that would even make this remotely possible. Also, we need to fix the failure paths, which make things indeterminably slower. But of course, if it takes one day, then let's do one per day. I'm not asking for the impossible. ;-) I WAS doing one a day. In fact, until a week ago I was doing them as often as possible. I plan to pick that back up on Monday, as I'm only able to be online for about 5 min at a time until then. josh -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
Eric Springer wrote: Especially considering how many people will use these benchmarks to make conclusions about Fedora, we should make sure it presents as best as it can. I think we should rather do an informative press campaign on the lines of Why Phoronix benchmarks are utter bullsh*t. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: unable to include capability.h
Kyle McMartin wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 03:02:39PM +0200, Daniel Lezcano wrote: Grumf ! that's annoying :( Thank you very much for your quick answer ! :) As I only need the CAP_SYS_BOOT, I will define it manually in the source code and will remove the include, that's ugly but anyway... :/ As I understood, the fix in the kernel conflicts with the workaround in userspace, right ? I was wondering if I should notify this to the maintainer of the libcap or is it already known ? Someone else suggested including sys/types.h first, which should work around it. That's what GNU coreutils did... (a change in the include ordering broke it.) Ah yes, I prefer this workaround, it is cleaner. Thanks for the the trick, I tested it and that solved the issue. Which release are you seeing this on... F-11? Correct. I tried with different distro lenny, ubuntu 8.04, fedora 10, opensuse 11 and I hadn't this problem. Thanks. -- Daniel -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On 06/12/2009 09:24 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Eric Springer wrote: Especially considering how many people will use these benchmarks to make conclusions about Fedora, we should make sure it presents as best as it can. I think we should rather do an informative press campaign on the lines of Why Phoronix benchmarks are utter bullsh*t. Kevin Kofler Because they gave us a bad grade and now we're butthurt and we're taking our ball and going home so there? Because that's what everyone's going to hear, even if its not what we say. --CJD -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On 06/12/2009 06:42 PM, Kyle McMartin wrote: It's almost certainly attributable to the default install using audit. Roland and various others have done a lot of work improving things, but there is always going to be a per-syscall overhead to this kind of thing. A few extra usec a syscall adds up after a few hundred thousand calls... Is there a benefit to running audit by default? Is it worth the cost? Rahul -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: unable to include capability.h
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 03:24:45PM +0200, Daniel Lezcano wrote: Correct. I tried with different distro lenny, ubuntu 8.04, fedora 10, opensuse 11 and I hadn't this problem. It was a local Fedora patch that tickled it with recent kernels, Karsten has sorted it out (but too late for Fedora 11 release... should be fixed in updates?) Thanks for sorting it out Karsten. * Mon Jun 08 2009 Karsten Hopp kars...@redhat.com 2.16-3 - disable headerfix patch (#503927) cheers, kyle -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
system-config-firewall picking up slack where firestarter fell off
I'm retired firestarter, I picked it up recently as it was orphaned but as we are moving towards PolicyKit and there's no upstream to assist with the port and after a discussion we had here on the list I decided it was time to retire it. Now, with that being said, I have some users on the firestarter-users mailing list that have some features they would like to request and I wanted to pose a couple questions here in respect to their requests and find out if others feel that these requests are feasible and/or are even in the scope of system-config-firewall. 1) Cisco VPN I don't use this myself but I was told it just needs these rules, so I don't see a big issue here: $IPT -A FORWARD -i $IF -o $INIF -p udp --dport 500 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT $IPT -A FORWARD -i $IF -o $INIF -p tcp --dport 500 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT $IPT -A FORWARD -i $IF -o $INIF -p 50 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT $IPT -A FORWARD -i $INIF -o $IF -p 50 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT 2) Auto setup of Internet Sharing, so autoconfig of dhcpd and providing a bridge between WAN and LAN. This is one that I'm not entirely sure there is really in the scope of system-config-firewall and might need to be its own utility. Those are really the only two that have been reported to me, just looking for advisement from the group before I go off and start trying to hack something together. Thanks, -Adam -- http://maxamillion.googlepages.com - () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
Casey Dahlin wrote: Because they gave us a bad grade and now we're butthurt and we're taking our ball and going home so there? Because that's what everyone's going to hear, even if its not what we say. If they love hearing bullsh*t, they should just go use a distro for bullsh*t lovers, like the one which is spitting out marketing bullsh*t all the time, it's their loss. People who actually have a brain will get our message. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: unable to include capability.h
Kyle McMartin wrote: ... Someone else suggested including sys/types.h first, which should work around it. That's what GNU coreutils did... (a change in the include ordering broke it.) I'm surprised the man page for cap_get_flag etc don't show an include of sys/types.h before sys/capability.h ... many system call man pages do e.g. -- NAME open, creat - open and possibly create a file or device SYNOPSIS #include sys/types.h #include sys/stat.h #include fcntl.h int open(const char *pathname, int flags); int open(const char *pathname, int flags, mode_t mode); int creat(const char *pathname, mode_t mode); -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Signing server? (Re: Updates testing for F-11)
Am Freitag, den 12.06.2009, 05:34 +0200 schrieb Kevin Kofler: Christoph Wickert wrote: IMO this is something we should discuss on this list. We need to find a fine balance between pushing updates in time to make maintainers happy and not too many updates for the users. Maybe something like security/urgent updates daily, everything else once or twice a week. But this needs further discussion. I don't see what it buys our users if they get one big update over 2 small ones. In most cases the biggest part (consuming time and cpu cycles) of the updates is not installing them but everything else like checking for new packages, downloading the metadata, calculating dependencies, downloading the packages and running the transaction test. Especially for small updates this takes much more time than the actual rpm -U part. Plus, it'd require us to distinguish urgent vs. not urgent updates, and causes big issues with urgent updates accidentally depending on non-urgent ones. Good point. I did not think of that because my updates usually are at the end of a dependency chain and if not, I put all packages that require each other into one big update. Maintainers should be smart enough to do it that way. Of course it would cause problems for people waiting for other packager's updates, but IMO this is no difference to the current situation: If you don't ask rel-eng for a build root overwrite, you have to wait until the dependencies are pushed before you can build you packages. Of course it would require some automatic dependency check from bodhi, but this is something we should look at anyway as the recent vte update shows. Regards, Christoph -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: GDM Language list...
Jens Petersen (peter...@redhat.com) said: - Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Well, there are languages we would support fine that don't have a specific language-support group (most anything that uses a Latin-1 like charset, and no specific input method.) Moreover, the groups that are installed aren't actually recorded anywhere on the installed system. (And having gdm attempt to discover/compute what groups are installed is completely impractical.) The YumLangpackPlugin Feature that I am planning to propose for F12 may help with this providing langpack-support metapackages. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/YumLangpackPlugin My one concern with this is that the conditional stuff is also used on the compose side when making LiveCDs, etc. We need to make sure that still works somehow. Bill -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Signing server? (Re: Updates testing for F-11)
Christoph Wickert wrote: In most cases the biggest part (consuming time and cpu cycles) of the updates is not installing them but everything else like checking for new packages, downloading the metadata, calculating dependencies, downloading the packages and running the transaction test. Especially for small updates this takes much more time than the actual rpm -U part. If you include just the urgent stuff in daily updates, those will still be the same. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 19:01 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/12/2009 06:42 PM, Kyle McMartin wrote: It's almost certainly attributable to the default install using audit. Roland and various others have done a lot of work improving things, but there is always going to be a per-syscall overhead to this kind of thing. A few extra usec a syscall adds up after a few hundred thousand calls... Is there a benefit to running audit by default? Is it worth the cost? ...and how does one disable it, so the people doing the benchmarks can confirm that's the cause? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On 06/12/2009 09:14 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 19:01 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/12/2009 06:42 PM, Kyle McMartin wrote: It's almost certainly attributable to the default install using audit. Roland and various others have done a lot of work improving things, but there is always going to be a per-syscall overhead to this kind of thing. A few extra usec a syscall adds up after a few hundred thousand calls... Is there a benefit to running audit by default? Is it worth the cost? ...and how does one disable it, so the people doing the benchmarks can confirm that's the cause? service auditd stop and chkconfig auditd off if you want that to be permanent. Rahul -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Signing server? (Re: Updates testing for F-11)
On 06/12/2009 08:14 AM, Christoph Wickert wrote: Am Freitag, den 12.06.2009, 05:34 +0200 schrieb Kevin Kofler: I don't see what it buys our users if they get one big update over 2 small ones. In most cases the biggest part (consuming time and cpu cycles) of the updates is not installing them but everything else like checking for new packages, downloading the metadata, This portion of the list is saved. calculating dependencies, downloading the packages and running the transaction test. Especially for small updates this takes much more time than the actual rpm -U part. But this portion of your list is dependent on the size of the transaction so it isn't going to halve the time to go from two small updates to a single large update here. -Toshio signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
Once upon a time, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com said: On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 19:01 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Is there a benefit to running audit by default? Is it worth the cost? ...and how does one disable it, so the people doing the benchmarks can confirm that's the cause? At the command-line as root, chkconfig auditd off will disable it for the next boot and service auditd stop will stop it for the running system. Note that there used to be an issue with stopping autitd where auditing wasn't actually turned off (just the daemon catching the logging). You had to manually turn off auditing with IIRC auditctl -e 0. I don't know if this has been addressed in newer versions. For benchmarking, you'd probably be better off with disabling it with chkconfig and doing a clean boot anyway. -- Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rpmconf - tool to handle rpmnew and rpmsave files
On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 14:30 +0200, Miroslav Suchý wrote: I've been tired for some time of watching rpmnew and rpmsave files. I've been looking for some tool, but did not find any, so I wrote my own. http://miroslav.suchy.cz/fedora/rpmconf/rpmconf Before I spend more times on this script, I would like to hear your opinion. Do you find it useful? Did it already exists and I miss it in my search? http://learn.clemsonlinux.org/wiki/Gentoo:etc-update That's etc-update, originates from Gentoo, and handles rpmnew/rpmsave files (I think it just matches any filenames in /etc that look to be variants of each other). Mandriva has rather simple handling of these files in its graphical package manager, rpmdrake: http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/soft/rpmdrake/trunk/Rpmdrake/rpmnew.pm?view=markup it more or less just shows you a diff between the old and new configs, and asks which you'd like to use. No editing / reconciliation is possible. And it's in perl. =) There may be others, but those are the ones that spring to mind. (btw, if anyone's wondering why there's always a blank line above my sig now, this appears to be a 'feature' of Evolution in Rawhide...it includes a blank line before the separator in the signature block). -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 19:01 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Is there a benefit to running audit by default? Is it worth the cost? ...and how does one disable it, so the people doing the benchmarks can confirm that's the cause? put selinux=0 audit=0 in kernel line at /boot/grub/grub.conf then reboot $ dmesg | egrep -i audit|selinux Kernel command line: ro root=UUID=c99c0f86-6ebc-4e0f-91ee-4a6ae7ae6aa9 vga=791 selinux=0 audit=0 audit: disabled (until reboot) SELinux: Disabled at boot. See what Torvalds says about audit and fedora kernel: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=124405016926339w=2 -- Polycommander, Erkowit, Urquiola, Andros Patria, Cason, Aegean Sea, Prestige, ... -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On 06/12/2009 09:35 PM, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: put selinux=0 audit=0 in kernel line at /boot/grub/grub.conf then reboot $ dmesg | egrep -i audit|selinux Kernel command line: ro root=UUID=c99c0f86-6ebc-4e0f-91ee-4a6ae7ae6aa9 vga=791 selinux=0 audit=0 audit: disabled (until reboot) SELinux: Disabled at boot. See what Torvalds says about audit and fedora kernel: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=124405016926339w=2 Turning off audit doesn't turn off SELinux. Linus is wrong about that. Rahul -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On Jun 12, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/12/2009 09:35 PM, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: put selinux=0 audit=0 in kernel line at /boot/grub/grub.conf then reboot $ dmesg | egrep -i audit|selinux Kernel command line: ro root=UUID=c99c0f86-6ebc-4e0f-91ee-4a6ae7ae6aa9 vga=791 selinux=0 audit=0 audit: disabled (until reboot) SELinux: Disabled at boot. See what Torvalds says about audit and fedora kernel: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=124405016926339w=2 Turning off audit doesn't turn off SELinux. Linus is wrong about that. I think he was referring to building the kernel w/o audit. joe -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Casey Dahlincdah...@redhat.com wrote: Because they gave us a bad grade and now we're butthurt and we're taking our ball and going home so there? Because that's what everyone's going to hear, even if its not what we say. What I have a problem with is the lack of information about methodology that would allow me to interpret the result in comparison to other results using slightly different methodology.. I don't have a problem getting a bad grade. I do have a general problem with people who publish unexpected behavior regressions but don't actually use the open development process to drive feedback directly to developers. If we deserve a black eye over it, fine I'll stand up and take my punches. But the laypress can't seem to be bothered to actually be a part of the development processes which would actually drive solutions to problems..and that bothers me..greatly. For some reason, once you find yourself a soapbox to stand on, you immune to actually reporting problems in the established communication channels. This is the sort of thing I would have love them to do at the alpha and beta release points...open bug tickets about..and if the issue is unsolved by release time..then so be it..just as long as they link to the bug ticket and the technical discussion on the ticket when they punch in the eye. I know its a pipe dream...the laypress taking a proactive interest in seeing problems resolved instead of just talking about them. -jef -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Strange /etc/fedora-release and smolt help
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Mike McGrathmmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: Can anyone with F11 installed look at what is in their /etc/fedora-release and tell me which one you have, and how you installed? Also what version of fedora-release you have. $ cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora release 11 (Leonidas) Installed via LiveUSB $ rpm -qa | grep fedora-release fedora-release-notes-11.0.0-2.fc11.noarch fedora-release-11-1.noarch -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Strange /etc/fedora-release and smolt help
Mike McGrath wrote: Can anyone with F11 installed look at what is in their /etc/fedora-release and tell me which one you have, and how you installed? Also what version of fedora-release you have. F10 to F11 system using preupgrade here. $ cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora release 11 (Leonidas) $ rpm -q fedora-release fedora-release-11-1.noarch -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora rawhide rebuild in mock status 2009-06-08 x86_64
On Thursday 11 June 2009, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le mercredi 10 juin 2009 à 17:06 -0500, Matt Domsch a écrit : Fedora Rawhide-in-Mock Build Results for x86_64 using the first rawhide of the Fedora 12 development cycle, cut on 6/8/2008. Full logs at http://linux.dell.com/files/fedora/FixBuildRequires/ Of those expected to have worked... Without a bug filed: 313 -- levien-inconsolata-fonts-1.01-3.fc11 (build/make) kevin ... This one and probably other font packages use a pattern like %_font_pkg -f %{fontconf} *.ttf %doc *.pdf For some reason the %_font_pkg macro call is eating the EOL, so %doc *.pdf ends up at the end of the last line of the macro output and not on the next line. This is probably a bug or quirk in rpm. Untested, but it might not be an entirely new thing - I remember seeing various issues like that with multiline macro definitions that do not have %{nil} as their last line and the fontpackages macros don't appear to have that. IIRC one such thing I fixed (and probably also initially broke) is %jpackage_script in /etc/rpm/macros.jpackage. See other examples in /usr/lib/rpm/{,redhat}/macros. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Strange /etc/fedora-release and smolt help
Michael Cronenworth wrote: F10 to F11 system using preupgrade here. $ cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora release 11 (Leonidas) $ rpm -q fedora-release fedora-release-11-1.noarch When I brought up smolt the OS is Fedora 11 Leonidas so is this a smolt issue? It seems smolt is under stress at the moment. It's difficult to access my smolt page (had to refresh 3 times). [1] http://www.smolts.org/show?uuid=pub_484ec5f5-9136-44ba-b878-7d7af96160f2 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rpmconf - tool to handle rpmnew and rpmsave files
On 12/06/09 17:00, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 14:30 +0200, Miroslav Suchý wrote: I've been tired for some time of watching rpmnew and rpmsave files. I've been looking for some tool, but did not find any, so I wrote my own. http://miroslav.suchy.cz/fedora/rpmconf/rpmconf Before I spend more times on this script, I would like to hear your opinion. Do you find it useful? Did it already exists and I miss it in my search? There is something similar in Fedora, yum-plugin-merge-conf (not installed by default) currently is supports vi(m) Now if you could modify this to use Meld lets say: meld-1.2.1-3.fc11.noarch : Visual diff and merge tool there would be a gui version. But, what I would say is, if you want go ahead, that is the beauty of F\l\OSS *choice* Maybe with your also Meld as a frontend? Frank -- jabber | msn | google-talk | skype: frankly3d (Skype will be scrapped 1st July 2009) http://www.frankly3d.com Mailing-List Reply to: Mailing-List -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Plan for tomorrow's (20090612) FESCo meeting
On Thursday 11 June 2009 17:04:03 Jon Stanley wrote: Here's a list of topics for tomorrow's FESCo meeting, taking place in #fedora-meeting on freenode at 17:00UTC. 160 Announce EOL date for F-9 162 Milestone Adjustment Proposal 161 Proposal for fedora-release version-release naming for rawhide For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket. The report of the agenda items can be found at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9 If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor. Arch support in F12. During F11, we went from i386-i586, while there was a lot of desire to go straight to i686. The sooner we can make a go/no-go call if we're moving F12 to i686, the better... Not sure if there is a formal feature page for this yet or not... -- Jarod Wilson ja...@redhat.com -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On 06/12/2009 12:44 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: I don't have a problem getting a bad grade. I do have a general problem with people who publish unexpected behavior regressions but don't actually use the open development process to drive feedback directly to developers. If we deserve a black eye over it, fine I'll stand up and take my punches. But the laypress can't seem to be bothered to actually be a part of the development processes which would actually drive solutions to problems..and that bothers me..greatly. For some reason, once you find yourself a soapbox to stand on, you immune to actually reporting problems in the established communication channels. You may or may not have misunderstood my point. I feel that attempting to protest any aspect of the benchmark without a lot of care paid to tone will lead to accusations of oh Fedora's just mad because they're slow. That's not true, we're happy to have people test the distro, its just what it looks like. This is the sort of thing I would have love them to do at the alpha and beta release points...open bug tickets about..and if the issue is unsolved by release time..then so be it..just as long as they link to the bug ticket and the technical discussion on the ticket when they punch in the eye. I know its a pipe dream...the laypress taking a proactive interest in seeing problems resolved instead of just talking about them. I think the press gets more flack than they deserve about this, simply because the press is a bit of a big, monolithic term thats easy to demonize. Let's look at it on another scale: should every person who ever blogs about a bad experience with fedora file bugs? Probably, but that also doesn't happen much. Another part of it is a dated model of how to report on software. If they were benchmarking, say, Windows vs OSX, you wouldn't expect bug reports. They're just treating us the way they'd treat any other proprietary product. Press mentality just hasn't caught up to open source. --CJD -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Heads up: bluetoothd on-demand startup
Heya, I've added a patch to bluetoothd in F-12 to support being started via udev, on-demand. bluetoothd will now only start up when you have a Bluetooth adapter plugged, and will exit 30 seconds after the last one went away. The only purpose of the bluetooth initscript is now to switch HID proxy adapters into Bluetooth mode (on Macs, and some Logitech and Dell keyboard/mouse combos). That'll probably go away as well, and into udev. File bugs against bluez if you encounter any problems with bluetoothd being in the wrong state (ie. started with no Bluetooth hardware, and not running when you have Bluetooth hardware). Cheers -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Heads up: bluetoothd on-demand startup
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 07:05:39PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: I've added a patch to bluetoothd in F-12 to support being started via udev, on-demand. bluetoothd will now only start up when you have a Bluetooth adapter plugged, and will exit 30 seconds after the last one went away. The only purpose of the bluetooth initscript is now to switch HID proxy adapters into Bluetooth mode (on Macs, and some Logitech and Dell keyboard/mouse combos). That'll probably go away as well, and into udev. File bugs against bluez if you encounter any problems with bluetoothd being in the wrong state (ie. started with no Bluetooth hardware, and not running when you have Bluetooth hardware). I've been hoping to find some time to do a big review of system startup for F-12, but haven't as yet found the time... How does this actually work? At what stage of boot does udev attempt to start bluetoothd? One of my ideas(I guess?) for F-12 is to filter modules loaded at boot by udev, and defer things that aren't needed for startup until either idle, or they are needed. (Why do we need sound modules loaded before we mount root rw? :) I've got a couple hacks from LPC last year I need to polish and submit for cups to make it somewhat more sensible... Pardon my curiosity, this is a big step towards better boot up. Thanks for doing this! cheers, Kyle -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Heads up: bluetoothd on-demand startup
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Kyle McMartink...@mcmartin.ca wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 07:05:39PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: I've added a patch to bluetoothd in F-12 to support being started via udev, on-demand. bluetoothd will now only start up when you have a Bluetooth adapter plugged, and will exit 30 seconds after the last one went away. The only purpose of the bluetooth initscript is now to switch HID proxy adapters into Bluetooth mode (on Macs, and some Logitech and Dell keyboard/mouse combos). That'll probably go away as well, and into udev. File bugs against bluez if you encounter any problems with bluetoothd being in the wrong state (ie. started with no Bluetooth hardware, and not running when you have Bluetooth hardware). I've been hoping to find some time to do a big review of system startup for F-12, but haven't as yet found the time... How does this actually work? At what stage of boot does udev attempt to start bluetoothd? One of my ideas(I guess?) for F-12 is to filter modules loaded at boot by udev, and defer things that aren't needed for startup until either idle, or they are needed. (Why do we need sound modules loaded before we mount root rw? :) I've got a couple hacks from LPC last year I need to polish and submit for cups to make it somewhat more sensible... Pardon my curiosity, this is a big step towards better boot up. Thanks for doing this! cheers, Kyle https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=484345 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Heads up: bluetoothd on-demand startup
On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 20:20 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Kyle McMartink...@mcmartin.ca wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 07:05:39PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: I've added a patch to bluetoothd in F-12 to support being started via udev, on-demand. bluetoothd will now only start up when you have a Bluetooth adapter plugged, and will exit 30 seconds after the last one went away. The only purpose of the bluetooth initscript is now to switch HID proxy adapters into Bluetooth mode (on Macs, and some Logitech and Dell keyboard/mouse combos). That'll probably go away as well, and into udev. File bugs against bluez if you encounter any problems with bluetoothd being in the wrong state (ie. started with no Bluetooth hardware, and not running when you have Bluetooth hardware). I've been hoping to find some time to do a big review of system startup for F-12, but haven't as yet found the time... How does this actually work? At what stage of boot does udev attempt to start bluetoothd? One of my ideas(I guess?) for F-12 is to filter modules loaded at boot by udev, and defer things that aren't needed for startup until either idle, or they are needed. (Why do we need sound modules loaded before we mount root rw? :) I've got a couple hacks from LPC last year I need to polish and submit for cups to make it somewhat more sensible... Pardon my curiosity, this is a big step towards better boot up. Thanks for doing this! cheers, Kyle https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=484345 Nope, that was the code that was in F-12 up until now, which I removed, and replace with a better way. There's no initscripts needed anymore. Cheers -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Heads up: bluetoothd on-demand startup
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Bastien Nocerabnoc...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 20:20 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Kyle McMartink...@mcmartin.ca wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 07:05:39PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: I've added a patch to bluetoothd in F-12 to support being started via udev, on-demand. bluetoothd will now only start up when you have a Bluetooth adapter plugged, and will exit 30 seconds after the last one went away. The only purpose of the bluetooth initscript is now to switch HID proxy adapters into Bluetooth mode (on Macs, and some Logitech and Dell keyboard/mouse combos). That'll probably go away as well, and into udev. File bugs against bluez if you encounter any problems with bluetoothd being in the wrong state (ie. started with no Bluetooth hardware, and not running when you have Bluetooth hardware). I've been hoping to find some time to do a big review of system startup for F-12, but haven't as yet found the time... How does this actually work? At what stage of boot does udev attempt to start bluetoothd? One of my ideas(I guess?) for F-12 is to filter modules loaded at boot by udev, and defer things that aren't needed for startup until either idle, or they are needed. (Why do we need sound modules loaded before we mount root rw? :) I've got a couple hacks from LPC last year I need to polish and submit for cups to make it somewhat more sensible... Pardon my curiosity, this is a big step towards better boot up. Thanks for doing this! cheers, Kyle https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=484345 Nope, that was the code that was in F-12 up until now, which I removed, and replace with a better way. There's no initscripts needed anymore. Oh, nice. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Heads up: bluetoothd on-demand startup
On 06/12/2009 11:35 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: Heya, I've added a patch to bluetoothd in F-12 to support being started via udev, on-demand. bluetoothd will now only start up when you have a Bluetooth adapter plugged, and will exit 30 seconds after the last one went away. Can you add these details to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Beta_release_notes Rahul -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Heads up: bluetoothd on-demand startup
On Fri, 12.06.09 19:26, Bastien Nocera (bnoc...@redhat.com) wrote: Every time there's an add action for a Bluetooth device, udev will run bluetoothd --udev. bluetoothd will fail with an error if D-Bus isn't started (on bootup), and the udev coldplug (done in udev-post) will run the rule again. bluetoothd will silently fail when it's already running. bluetoothd will exit itself after 30 seconds when no adapters are present. There's a potential race if the udev add event happens in between the time the time the running bluetoothd reliquinshes its D-Bus service, and the new one starts up. This could be fixed by first releasing the service name synchronously, then processing all queued requests and only then closing/exiting. Hmm, will bluetoothd also be started via bus activation? If so, it wuld probably make sense to issue a StartByName D-Bus request from the udev rule and let dbus handle all the ordering/synchronization issues with starting up bluetoothd. I know at least one application (PA) that wouldn't reconnect to coming and going bluetoothd's, that's why I am asking. Lennart -- Lennart PoetteringRed Hat, Inc. lennart [at] poettering [dot] net http://0pointer.net/lennart/ GnuPG 0x1A015CC4 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Problem with the fedorapeople.org website
Hi list, Yesterday, when I pointed my browser to http://monnerat.fedorapeople.org/, I got a directory index. Today, the output is: Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. I did not change anything to my public_html path permissions. I can still access files in this directory, like http://monnerat.fedorapeople.org/php-captchaphp.spec I do not have a .htaccess file (neither did I yesterday!) I do not have an index.* file neither. What's wrong ? Did I missed something ? Thanks in advance for help Patrick -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-12
Here's the minutes and IRC log of today's FESCo meeting Minutes: http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/fedora-meeting/2009/fedora-meeting.2009-06-12-17.01.html Log: http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/fedora-meeting/2009/fedora-meeting.2009-06-12-17.01.log.html -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Problem with the fedorapeople.org website
On 2009-06-12 08:46:48 PM, Patrick MONNERAT wrote: I did not change anything to my public_html path permissions. I can still access files in this directory, like http://monnerat.fedorapeople.org/php-captchaphp.spec I do not have a .htaccess file (neither did I yesterday!) I do not have an index.* file neither. Strange, I'm not sure what happened either. I just restarted apache, which seemed to allow indexes again. Please let us know if you see this problem again. Thanks, Ricky pgpVWUQYuPuP5.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Heads up: bluetoothd on-demand startup
On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 14:39 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Bastien Nocerabnoc...@redhat.com wrote: bluetoothd will exit itself after 30 seconds when no adapters are present. There's a potential race if the udev add event happens in between the time the time the running bluetoothd reliquinshes its D-Bus service, and the new one starts up. We should support this I think. I've added a bug here: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22258 We don't use D-Bus for that in-flight message. The message is in-flight between the kernel and bluetoothd via netlink. 1. running bluetoothd 2. adapter insertion - last bt adapter gets removed - timeout kicks in 30 sec... - we start processing shutdown - udev gets event from the kernel - udev rule is processed - bluetoothd is run with --udev - bluetoothd exits because the service is already running - relinquish the D-Bus service - bluetoothd exits Something like that. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Heads up: bluetoothd on-demand startup
On Fri, 12.06.09 20:10, Bastien Nocera (bnoc...@redhat.com) wrote: This could be fixed by first releasing the service name synchronously, then processing all queued requests and only then closing/exiting. Hmm, will bluetoothd also be started via bus activation? If so, it wuld probably make sense to issue a StartByName D-Bus request from the udev rule and let dbus handle all the ordering/synchronization issues with starting up bluetoothd. No, there's no service activation support. Would it be useful? I think it would. Seems to me as if some of the BT functionality (org.bluez.Manager, ...) might be useful even without having hw plugged in. Lennart -- Lennart PoetteringRed Hat, Inc. lennart [at] poettering [dot] net http://0pointer.net/lennart/ GnuPG 0x1A015CC4 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 07:55:56PM +1000, Eric Springer wrote: I agree with the sentiment that phoronix reviews are lazy, poor, etc -- but that doesn't mean nothing is revealed by them. Especially considering how many people will use these benchmarks to make conclusions about Fedora, we should make sure it presents as best as it can. So I think it is important to establish why our apache result were so poor and what can be done to fix it. Our Apache results on the Phoronix tests, AIUI, are from an Apache they compiled, which is not what most people are going to use. There's also no mention of whether they mitigated the way results would have changed from our use of SELinux. Just another couple of gripes here, but I do agree with a previous poster that a well-thought out series of benchmarks and an explanation of their meaning would be far preferable to what Phoronix publishes. As a side note, (almost) anyone can take your blood and put it in a centrifuge, but it takes a specialist to tell you what the results mean for your health. ;-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
Hi, Our Apache results on the Phoronix tests, AIUI, are from an Apache they compiled, which is not what most people are going to use. Do similar results occur when you compare the installed Apaches instead, or does the discrepancy go away? There's also no mention of whether they mitigated the way results would have changed from our use of SELinux. Why would you want to mitigate that, in a comparison of distributions out-of-the-box? (And, what would mitigate mean here?) Just another couple of gripes here, but I do agree with a previous poster that a well-thought out series of benchmarks and an explanation of their meaning would be far preferable to what Phoronix publishes. I guess I feel pretty consequentialist about this -- if the discrepancy they measured doesn't actually exist in a form that our users might hit, then they were wrong to post a badly-designed benchmark. If it does exist, on the other hand, they've done us a large favour by pointing out something we didn't know about (which might even be a large regression from F10), and I'd feel that we should (a) thank them and encourage them to run benchmarks more often, (b) fix our bug, and (c) tell them how to improve their benchmarks, with patches, so that it doesn't take so long to work out whether there's a real problem next time. The question is, which is it? - Chris. -- Chris Ball c...@laptop.org -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Strange /etc/fedora-release and smolt help
I'm trying to figure out whats going on here so I'm off to the list. Smolts.org is reporting people checking in with both: Fedora 11 Leonidas and Fedora release 11 (Leonidas) Can anyone with F11 installed look at what is in their /etc/fedora-release and tell me which one you have, and how you installed? Also what version of fedora-release you have. $ cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora release 11 (Leonidas) # smoltSendProfile UUID: 8e71bd57-f8f2-4793-b68b-99bfee6f3aa2 SE: Fedora release 11 (Leonidas) ... # rpm -q fedora-release fedora-release-11-1.noarch I installed it from Snapshot live CD, then updated. -- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
EPEL Bug Day
The EPEL SIG team is asking for your participation at the first EPEL Bug Day. Please step up and help make EPEL a successful supplement to Enterprise Linux. When: July 11, 2009 00:00 UTC - 23:59 UTC. Goal: Squash (close) as many bugs as possible with proper solutions. More Information: * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL_Bug_Day_July_2009 Current Bug List * http://tr.im/epelbugs We'll send out some more information when it becomes available. Thanks for your help, stahnma -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: mount shows dm-* instead og dev/mapper/*
Hello, I forgot to give my conf. I run a fully updated fedora 10 [r...@jack ~]# uname -a Linux jack.lutty.net 2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Wed May 20 23:10:16 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linu If nobody has a clue about that, I will bug Zilla, probably under device-mapper-1.02.27-7.fc10.i386 regards, laurent Le jeudi 11 juin 2009 à 23:32 +0200, Laurent Jacquot a écrit : Hello, I recently upgraded my raid array from 4 to 5 disks, and mount no longer shows lv names but is /dev/dm-* style instead. My setup is lvm on softraid blkid, cat /proc/mounts, df, etc.. are all affected How can I recover the normal behavior? Is it really caused by my upgrade? I recreated /etc/blkid, /etc/lvm/.cache. I straced blkid (with no cache): it reads directly the data from /proc/partitions. cat /proc/partitions shows (edited for simplicity) major minor #blocks name 8 0 390711384 sda 8 11020096 sda1 816 390711384 sdb 8171020096 sdb1 832 195360984 sdc 833 1 sdc1 848 195360984 sdd 849 1 sdd1 864 976762584 sde 865 1 sde1 9 1 78171648 md1 253 02064384 dm-0 253 12064384 dm-1 253 2 10485760 dm-2 253 3 12484608 dm-3 253 44194304 dm-4 9 2 78171904 md2 9 01020032 md0 9 3 78171904 md3 253 5 136314880 dm-5 253 6 62914560 dm-6 253 7 37748736 dm-7 253 8 31457280 dm-8 253 9 20971520 dm-9 Should I file a bug? And if so, to which component example of output: FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/dm-0 2.0G 505M 1.4G 27% / /dev/md0 981M 40M 891M 5% /boot /dev/dm-2 9.9G 5.8G 3.7G 62% /usr /dev/dm-1 2.0G 38M 1.9G 2% /tmp /dev/dm-3 12G 994M 11G 9% /var /dev/dm-16 20G 12G 6.8G 64% /var/www/html /dev/dm-15 36G 3.6G 32G 11% /home /dev/dm-17 60G 38G 19G 67% /home/alex/Images /dev/dm-18 20G 15G 3.9G 80% /home/alex/Mp3 /dev/dm-19 25G 21G 2.5G 90% /home/alex/vmware /dev/dm-11 20G 13G 6.7G 65% /backup/www /dev/dm-7 36G 3.6G 31G 11% /backup/home /dev/dm-6 60G 38G 19G 68% /backup/Images /dev/dm-9 20G 15G 3.8G 81% /backup/Mp3 /dev/dm-10 25G 173M 24G 1% /backup/vmware instead of FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/rootvg-rootlv 2.0G 505M 1.4G 27% / /dev/md0 981M 40M 891M 5% /boot /dev/mapper/rootvg-usrlv 9.9G 5.8G 3.7G 62% /usr /dev/mapper/rootvg-tmplv 2.0G 38M 1.9G 2% /tmp /dev/mapper/rootvg-varlv 12G 936M 11G 9% /var /dev/mapper/datavg-wwwlv 20G 12G 6.8G 64% /var/www/html /dev/mapper/datavg-homelv 36G 3.5G 32G 10% /home /dev/mapper/datavg-Imageslv 60G 38G 19G 67% /home/alex/Images /dev/mapper/datavg-mp3lv 20G 15G 3.9G 80% /home/alex/Mp3 /dev/mapper/datavg-vmwarelv 25G 21G 3.4G 86% /home/alex/vmware /dev/mapper/sauv2vg-mp3lv 20G 15G 3.8G 81% /backup/Mp3 Thank you in advance, Laurent -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 15:24 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Eric Springer wrote: Especially considering how many people will use these benchmarks to make conclusions about Fedora, we should make sure it presents as best as it can. I think we should rather do an informative press campaign on the lines of Why Phoronix benchmarks are utter bullsh*t. Kevin Kofler Kevin, I must admit that I didn't expect such childish reaction from someone like you. You don't like Phoronix' benchmark? Why? What should they have done differently? Have you ever contacted Phoronix (E.g. Using their forums) and tried to resolve these issues? Did they refuse? Yes, encoding MP3 is rotten way to benchmark a file system, but some of these benchmarks -do- show anomalies, and simply ignoring these anomalies while FUD'ing the messenger (Phoronix in this case) is childish. Might I remind everyone here that Phoronix was the first to offer a comprehensive benchmark suite to the OSS world. (Google back to 5-10 years ago and you'll see an assortment of half-backed benchmarks that never really worked... and no, glxgears is not a benchmark!) Instead of throwing mud at Phoronix, we (as in, all the people that have grievances with this benchmark suite) -should- concentrate in trying help Phoronix improve their benchmarking suite. - Gilboa -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 04:33 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 15:24 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Eric Springer wrote: Especially considering how many people will use these benchmarks to make conclusions about Fedora, we should make sure it presents as best as it can. I think we should rather do an informative press campaign on the lines of Why Phoronix benchmarks are utter bullsh*t. Kevin Kofler Kevin, I must admit that I didn't expect such childish reaction from someone like you. You don't like Phoronix' benchmark? Why? What should they have done differently? Have you ever contacted Phoronix (E.g. Using their forums) and tried to resolve these issues? Did they refuse? Yes, encoding MP3 is rotten way to benchmark a file system, but some of these benchmarks -do- show anomalies, and simply ignoring these anomalies while FUD'ing the messenger (Phoronix in this case) is childish. Might I remind everyone here that Phoronix was the first to offer a comprehensive benchmark suite to the OSS world. (Google back to 5-10 years ago and you'll see an assortment of half-backed benchmarks that never really worked... and no, glxgears is not a benchmark!) Instead of throwing mud at Phoronix, we (as in, all the people that have grievances with this benchmark suite) -should- concentrate in trying help Phoronix improve their benchmarking suite. - Gilboa I apologize in advance, for the overly harsh language. (Not specifically directed at you, Kevin). - Gilboa -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 00:47 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: I know its a pipe dream...the laypress taking a proactive interest in seeing problems resolved instead of just talking about them. I don't think it's ever going to happen. The laypress should just die, people need to go directly to the developers to get actual information. Right, because developers are legendarily happy to spend their days painstakingly explaining things to people with little clue. ;) Seriously, I agree with many of your complaints about 'the press' (especially the general interest tech press) when it comes to 'reviewing distributions', but I find it worthwhile to spend time wading through the acres of reviews, because there is the occasional nugget of useful feedback in there if you look hard enough, and if you spend some time developing a relationship with the people who write the reviews, you can a) get more useful information out of them to feed to developers in a proper fashion, and b) subtly influence them towards producing slightly nicer reviews in future, by making sure they have useful information available and understand how certain things work when they're writing their reviews. I've found quite a lot of reviewers are actually quite smart and savvy guys (and even file bug reports - yes, it's true!), but they're often working to word limits and writing for audiences (and clueless editors...), and a detailed explanation of complex issues doesn't play well in that context. Of course, that's something that should more be done by community/pr-focused people, not developers, probably. Developers have more immediately valuable things to spend their time on, for which their expertise is obviously much better suited. Which is all as it should be. I would agree developers shouldn't spend too much time reading crappily written reviews :) you guys have better things to do. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 04:33 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: You don't like Phoronix' benchmark? Why? What should they have done differently? Have you ever contacted Phoronix (E.g. Using their forums) and tried to resolve these issues? Did they refuse? They should use distribution-compiled binaries - or at least record and explain the fact that they don't, and check whether there are significant differences between the compiled binaries they use on each distro. And when they observe anomalies, they should try and do some kind of research to confirm the result and figure out _why_, not just note the fact of the anomaly. Multiple people have pointed this out to them in the past, but they haven't really made a concerted effort to change. I have a kind of love/hate relationship with Phoronix - they're a popular site and do some really good stuff, but they also make a lot of frustratingly lazy mistakes and shorthand contractions in many articles. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 17:25 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 07:55:56PM +1000, Eric Springer wrote: I agree with the sentiment that phoronix reviews are lazy, poor, etc -- but that doesn't mean nothing is revealed by them. Especially considering how many people will use these benchmarks to make conclusions about Fedora, we should make sure it presents as best as it can. So I think it is important to establish why our apache result were so poor and what can be done to fix it. Our Apache results on the Phoronix tests, AIUI, are from an Apache they compiled, which is not what most people are going to use. There's also no mention of whether they mitigated the way results would have changed from our use of SELinux. However, back a few posts, someone tested with the Fedora packaged apache and reproduced the results - same result as Phoronix got, it was slow. The current thread thinking is that audit is the cause of this. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 04:33 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: Kevin, I must admit that I didn't expect such childish reaction from someone like you. BTW, I suspect that Kevin's position has a lot to do with the response KDE 4 got in the press...which is understandable. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Rahul Sundaramsunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On 06/12/2009 06:42 PM, Kyle McMartin wrote: It's almost certainly attributable to the default install using audit. Roland and various others have done a lot of work improving things, but there is always going to be a per-syscall overhead to this kind of thing. A few extra usec a syscall adds up after a few hundred thousand calls... Is there a benefit to running audit by default? Is it worth the cost? What percentage of users do you think need even a small fraction of the raw http transaction rate fedora can provide? Obviously people do run a lot of CPU heavy CGIs, but since those generally spend time processing rather than just making syscalls they won't be as impacted as this. Anyone needing to handle thousands of small HTTP transactions per-second is doing something fairly specialized. They should be quite capable of performing whatever performance tweaks are required. For everyone else, and even many of the high performance shops, even a modest security gain is 'worth the cost' of a pretty substantial loss in peak http request rate. Even for small users the 'cost' of dealing with even one security breach in, say, 10 years would easily pay for a second CPU in the few cases where serving thousands of requests per second is material. Obviously you want to extract as much performance as possible, and don't want to take a loss for no gain. But if after fixing any bugs Fedora is slower because of a security feature then that needs to be touted as a *benefit* of fedora. From a marketing perspective people are more likely to believe advantages when you couple them with a negative in any case: Furthermore, Fedora is more secure than other alternatives. Features like X, Y, and Z make Fedora robust against even unforeseen attacks. These features do result in a performance hit, for example 5,000 HTTP requests per second vs 10,000, the impact is negligible on normal workloads. Since some of the worlds largest websites only do 60,000 req/sec[1] (and have hundreds of servers), we think your time and security should take precedence. Of course, these security features can be disabled if your requirements dictate. [1] http://www.nedworks.org/~mark/reqstats/reqstats-daily.png -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 19:08 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 04:33 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: Kevin, I must admit that I didn't expect such childish reaction from someone like you. BTW, I suspect that Kevin's position has a lot to do with the response KDE 4 got in the press...which is understandable. Being a KDE(-redhat) user, I'm well aware of Kevin's contribution to Fedora / KDE / etc, hence my (somewhat harsh) reaction to his OP. - Gilboa -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 19:05 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 04:33 +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: You don't like Phoronix' benchmark? Why? What should they have done differently? Have you ever contacted Phoronix (E.g. Using their forums) and tried to resolve these issues? Did they refuse? They should use distribution-compiled binaries - or at least record and explain the fact that they don't, and check whether there are significant differences between the compiled binaries they use on each distro. Up until 30 minutes ago, I was unaware of the fact that they use test-suite compiled binaries. Though I'd imagine that in Phoronix' view, having (far) different compile options in the distribution supplied binaries might generate invalid results. (Due to missing features, non-standard optimization, etc) Of-cause, the best solution would have been to test -both- versions - read: Phoronix-compiled binaries next to distribution supplied binaries This should generate far cleaner (and far more interesting) results. And when they observe anomalies, they should try and do some kind of research to confirm the result and figure out _why_, not just note the fact of the anomaly. I fear that you're expecting far too much from popular website. I'd rather see an open dialog between Phoronix and the different distributions an in effort to gain usable test-data out of their benchmarks. Multiple people have pointed this out to them in the past, but they haven't really made a concerted effort to change. Has anyone attempted to start an open dialog with them using their forums? [1]. At least the past, Micheal (Phoronix founder) was very responsive. I have a kind of love/hate relationship with Phoronix - they're a popular site and do some really good stuff, but they also make a lot of frustratingly lazy mistakes and shorthand contractions in many articles. I believe we should praise Phoronix for their work, even if we do not agree with their methodology. As I said in my previous post, Phoronix completely changed the landscape of OSS websites and OSS benchmarking. - Gilboa [1] http://www.phoronix.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=49 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
Gilboa Davara wrote: Might I remind everyone here that Phoronix was the first to offer a comprehensive benchmark suite to the OSS world. On the other hand, they actively hurt Free Software by continuously providing free advertising for the latest and greatest graphics hardware with only proprietary drivers (at least for OpenGL), of course benchmarked with the proprietary drivers and touting their features, while focusing very little on Free drivers. There's the occasional article about Free drivers, but even those are sometimes mixed articles like news from ATI where it talks partly about the Free drivers and partly about fglrx/Catalyst, and they regularly contain statements like While there has been a lot of great news this week surrounding the open-source ATI graphics stack on Linux, there is still a fair amount of work left and this work is not immediately the miracle driver for ATI Radeon customers. which promote proprietary driver use. And most importantly, there are also few to no benchmarks with Free drivers. I'd really like comparative benchmarks of graphics cards using exclusively Free drivers so I can choose the fastest of those. (I only know of one site doing such a benchmark and they use glxgears as their benchmark, so I don't trust their results at all.) and no, glxgears is not a benchmark! Indeed, glxgears really sucks as as a benchmark, Phoronix's benchmark suite (as imperfect as it is) is definitely more useful. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 9.04 vs. Fedora 11 Performance
On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 05:43 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: and no, glxgears is not a benchmark! Indeed, glxgears really sucks as as a benchmark, Phoronix's benchmark suite (as imperfect as it is) is definitely more useful. I keep meaning to file a feature request for glxgears - remove the FPS display...if it's not a benchmark, let's not make it look like one. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
rpms/perl-Config-Auto/devel import.log, NONE, 1.1 perl-Config-Auto.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2
Author: eseyman Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Config-Auto/devel In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv5709/devel Modified Files: .cvsignore sources Added Files: import.log perl-Config-Auto.spec Log Message: Initial import. --- NEW FILE import.log --- perl-Config-Auto-0_20-1_fc11:HEAD:perl-Config-Auto-0.20-1.fc11.src.rpm:1244790533 --- NEW FILE perl-Config-Auto.spec --- Name: perl-Config-Auto Version:0.20 Release:1%{?dist} Summary:Magical config file parser License:GPL+ or Artistic Group: Development/Libraries URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Config-Auto/ Source0: http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/K/KA/KANE/Config-Auto-%{version}.tar.gz BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n) BuildArch: noarch BuildRequires: perl(Config::IniFiles) BuildRequires: perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker) BuildRequires: perl(Test::More) BuildRequires: perl(YAML) Requires: perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo $version)) %description This module was written after having to write Yet Another Config File Parser for some variety of colon-separated config. It searches the filesystem for the program's configuration file, basing itself on the program's name and returns a data structure based on the file's contents. %prep %setup -q -n Config-Auto-%{version} %build %{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor make %{?_smp_mflags} %install rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT make pure_install PERL_INSTALL_ROOT=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -type f -name .packlist -exec rm -f {} \; find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 2/dev/null \; %{_fixperms} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/* %check make test %clean rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT %files %defattr(-,root,root,-) %doc Changes README %{perl_vendorlib}/* %{_mandir}/man3/* %changelog * Mon Dec 22 2008 Emmanuel Seyman emmanuel.sey...@club-internet.fr 0.20-1 - Specfile autogenerated by cpanspec 1.77. Index: .cvsignore === RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Config-Auto/devel/.cvsignore,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2 --- .cvsignore 12 Jun 2009 04:29:39 - 1.1 +++ .cvsignore 12 Jun 2009 07:09:22 - 1.2 @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +Config-Auto-0.20.tar.gz Index: sources === RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Config-Auto/devel/sources,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2 --- sources 12 Jun 2009 04:29:39 - 1.1 +++ sources 12 Jun 2009 07:09:22 - 1.2 @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +fadc11b8f908b3d2782849c5e2232585 Config-Auto-0.20.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
rpms/perl-Config-Auto/F-11 import.log, NONE, 1.1 perl-Config-Auto.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2
Author: eseyman Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Config-Auto/F-11 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6495/F-11 Modified Files: .cvsignore sources Added Files: import.log perl-Config-Auto.spec Log Message: Initial import. --- NEW FILE import.log --- perl-Config-Auto-0_20-1_fc11:F-11:perl-Config-Auto-0.20-1.fc11.src.rpm:1244790646 --- NEW FILE perl-Config-Auto.spec --- Name: perl-Config-Auto Version:0.20 Release:1%{?dist} Summary:Magical config file parser License:GPL+ or Artistic Group: Development/Libraries URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Config-Auto/ Source0: http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/K/KA/KANE/Config-Auto-%{version}.tar.gz BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n) BuildArch: noarch BuildRequires: perl(Config::IniFiles) BuildRequires: perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker) BuildRequires: perl(Test::More) BuildRequires: perl(YAML) Requires: perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo $version)) %description This module was written after having to write Yet Another Config File Parser for some variety of colon-separated config. It searches the filesystem for the program's configuration file, basing itself on the program's name and returns a data structure based on the file's contents. %prep %setup -q -n Config-Auto-%{version} %build %{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor make %{?_smp_mflags} %install rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT make pure_install PERL_INSTALL_ROOT=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -type f -name .packlist -exec rm -f {} \; find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 2/dev/null \; %{_fixperms} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/* %check make test %clean rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT %files %defattr(-,root,root,-) %doc Changes README %{perl_vendorlib}/* %{_mandir}/man3/* %changelog * Mon Dec 22 2008 Emmanuel Seyman emmanuel.sey...@club-internet.fr 0.20-1 - Specfile autogenerated by cpanspec 1.77. Index: .cvsignore === RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Config-Auto/F-11/.cvsignore,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2 --- .cvsignore 12 Jun 2009 04:29:39 - 1.1 +++ .cvsignore 12 Jun 2009 07:11:34 - 1.2 @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +Config-Auto-0.20.tar.gz Index: sources === RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Config-Auto/F-11/sources,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2 --- sources 12 Jun 2009 04:29:39 - 1.1 +++ sources 12 Jun 2009 07:11:34 - 1.2 @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +fadc11b8f908b3d2782849c5e2232585 Config-Auto-0.20.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
rpms/perl-Config-Auto/F-10 import.log, NONE, 1.1 perl-Config-Auto.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2
Author: eseyman Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Config-Auto/F-10 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv7062/F-10 Modified Files: .cvsignore sources Added Files: import.log perl-Config-Auto.spec Log Message: Initial import. --- NEW FILE import.log --- perl-Config-Auto-0_20-1_fc11:F-10:perl-Config-Auto-0.20-1.fc11.src.rpm:1244790765 --- NEW FILE perl-Config-Auto.spec --- Name: perl-Config-Auto Version:0.20 Release:1%{?dist} Summary:Magical config file parser License:GPL+ or Artistic Group: Development/Libraries URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Config-Auto/ Source0: http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/K/KA/KANE/Config-Auto-%{version}.tar.gz BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n) BuildArch: noarch BuildRequires: perl(Config::IniFiles) BuildRequires: perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker) BuildRequires: perl(Test::More) BuildRequires: perl(YAML) Requires: perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo $version)) %description This module was written after having to write Yet Another Config File Parser for some variety of colon-separated config. It searches the filesystem for the program's configuration file, basing itself on the program's name and returns a data structure based on the file's contents. %prep %setup -q -n Config-Auto-%{version} %build %{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor make %{?_smp_mflags} %install rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT make pure_install PERL_INSTALL_ROOT=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -type f -name .packlist -exec rm -f {} \; find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 2/dev/null \; %{_fixperms} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/* %check make test %clean rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT %files %defattr(-,root,root,-) %doc Changes README %{perl_vendorlib}/* %{_mandir}/man3/* %changelog * Mon Dec 22 2008 Emmanuel Seyman emmanuel.sey...@club-internet.fr 0.20-1 - Specfile autogenerated by cpanspec 1.77. Index: .cvsignore === RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Config-Auto/F-10/.cvsignore,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2 --- .cvsignore 12 Jun 2009 04:29:39 - 1.1 +++ .cvsignore 12 Jun 2009 07:13:10 - 1.2 @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +Config-Auto-0.20.tar.gz Index: sources === RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Config-Auto/F-10/sources,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2 --- sources 12 Jun 2009 04:29:39 - 1.1 +++ sources 12 Jun 2009 07:13:10 - 1.2 @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +fadc11b8f908b3d2782849c5e2232585 Config-Auto-0.20.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
rpms/perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch/devel import.log, NONE, 1.1 perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2
Author: eseyman Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch/devel In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv12180/devel Modified Files: .cvsignore sources Added Files: import.log perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch.spec Log Message: Initial import. --- NEW FILE import.log --- perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch-1_12-1_fc11:HEAD:perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch-1.12-1.fc11.src.rpm:1244791754 --- NEW FILE perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch.spec --- Name: perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch Version:1.12 Release:1%{?dist} Summary:Syntactic try/catch sugar for use with Exception::Class License:ASL 2.0 Group: Development/Libraries URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Exception-Class-TryCatch/ Source0: http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/D/DA/DAGOLDEN/Exception-Class-TryCatch-%{version}.tar.gz BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n) BuildArch: noarch BuildRequires: perl(Exception::Class) = 1.2 BuildRequires: perl(Module::Build) BuildRequires: perl(Test::More) = 0.47 Requires: perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo $version)) %description Exception::Class::TryCatch provides syntactic sugar for use with Exception::Class using the familiar keywords try and catch. Its primary objective is to allow users to avoid dealing directly with $@ by ensuring that any exceptions caught in an eval are captured as Exception::Class objects, whether they were thrown objects to begin with or whether the error resulted from die. This means that users may immediately use isa and various Exception::Class methods to process the exception. %prep %setup -q -n Exception-Class-TryCatch-%{version} %build %{__perl} Build.PL installdirs=vendor ./Build %install rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT ./Build install destdir=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT create_packlist=0 find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 2/dev/null \; %{_fixperms} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/* %check ./Build test %clean rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT %files %defattr(-,root,root,-) %doc Changes LICENSE README Todo %{perl_vendorlib}/* %{_mandir}/man3/* %changelog * Mon Dec 22 2008 Emmanuel Seyman emmanuel.sey...@club-internet.fr 1.12-1 - Specfile autogenerated by cpanspec 1.77. Index: .cvsignore === RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch/devel/.cvsignore,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2 --- .cvsignore 12 Jun 2009 04:33:38 - 1.1 +++ .cvsignore 12 Jun 2009 07:29:43 - 1.2 @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +Exception-Class-TryCatch-1.12.tar.gz Index: sources === RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch/devel/sources,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2 --- sources 12 Jun 2009 04:33:38 - 1.1 +++ sources 12 Jun 2009 07:29:43 - 1.2 @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +d9943ce5e251437312a11001b9531f43 Exception-Class-TryCatch-1.12.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
rpms/perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch/F-11 import.log, NONE, 1.1 perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2
Author: eseyman Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch/F-11 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv12862/F-11 Modified Files: .cvsignore sources Added Files: import.log perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch.spec Log Message: Initial import. --- NEW FILE import.log --- perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch-1_12-1_fc11:F-11:perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch-1.12-1.fc11.src.rpm:1244791858 --- NEW FILE perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch.spec --- Name: perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch Version:1.12 Release:1%{?dist} Summary:Syntactic try/catch sugar for use with Exception::Class License:ASL 2.0 Group: Development/Libraries URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Exception-Class-TryCatch/ Source0: http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/D/DA/DAGOLDEN/Exception-Class-TryCatch-%{version}.tar.gz BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n) BuildArch: noarch BuildRequires: perl(Exception::Class) = 1.2 BuildRequires: perl(Module::Build) BuildRequires: perl(Test::More) = 0.47 Requires: perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo $version)) %description Exception::Class::TryCatch provides syntactic sugar for use with Exception::Class using the familiar keywords try and catch. Its primary objective is to allow users to avoid dealing directly with $@ by ensuring that any exceptions caught in an eval are captured as Exception::Class objects, whether they were thrown objects to begin with or whether the error resulted from die. This means that users may immediately use isa and various Exception::Class methods to process the exception. %prep %setup -q -n Exception-Class-TryCatch-%{version} %build %{__perl} Build.PL installdirs=vendor ./Build %install rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT ./Build install destdir=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT create_packlist=0 find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 2/dev/null \; %{_fixperms} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/* %check ./Build test %clean rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT %files %defattr(-,root,root,-) %doc Changes LICENSE README Todo %{perl_vendorlib}/* %{_mandir}/man3/* %changelog * Mon Dec 22 2008 Emmanuel Seyman emmanuel.sey...@club-internet.fr 1.12-1 - Specfile autogenerated by cpanspec 1.77. Index: .cvsignore === RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch/F-11/.cvsignore,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2 --- .cvsignore 12 Jun 2009 04:33:38 - 1.1 +++ .cvsignore 12 Jun 2009 07:31:35 - 1.2 @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +Exception-Class-TryCatch-1.12.tar.gz Index: sources === RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch/F-11/sources,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2 --- sources 12 Jun 2009 04:33:38 - 1.1 +++ sources 12 Jun 2009 07:31:35 - 1.2 @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +d9943ce5e251437312a11001b9531f43 Exception-Class-TryCatch-1.12.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
rpms/perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch/F-10 import.log, NONE, 1.1 perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2
Author: eseyman Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch/F-10 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv13634/F-10 Modified Files: .cvsignore sources Added Files: import.log perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch.spec Log Message: Initial import. --- NEW FILE import.log --- perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch-1_12-1_fc11:F-10:perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch-1.12-1.fc11.src.rpm:1244791971 --- NEW FILE perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch.spec --- Name: perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch Version:1.12 Release:1%{?dist} Summary:Syntactic try/catch sugar for use with Exception::Class License:ASL 2.0 Group: Development/Libraries URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Exception-Class-TryCatch/ Source0: http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/D/DA/DAGOLDEN/Exception-Class-TryCatch-%{version}.tar.gz BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n) BuildArch: noarch BuildRequires: perl(Exception::Class) = 1.2 BuildRequires: perl(Module::Build) BuildRequires: perl(Test::More) = 0.47 Requires: perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo $version)) %description Exception::Class::TryCatch provides syntactic sugar for use with Exception::Class using the familiar keywords try and catch. Its primary objective is to allow users to avoid dealing directly with $@ by ensuring that any exceptions caught in an eval are captured as Exception::Class objects, whether they were thrown objects to begin with or whether the error resulted from die. This means that users may immediately use isa and various Exception::Class methods to process the exception. %prep %setup -q -n Exception-Class-TryCatch-%{version} %build %{__perl} Build.PL installdirs=vendor ./Build %install rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT ./Build install destdir=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT create_packlist=0 find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 2/dev/null \; %{_fixperms} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/* %check ./Build test %clean rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT %files %defattr(-,root,root,-) %doc Changes LICENSE README Todo %{perl_vendorlib}/* %{_mandir}/man3/* %changelog * Mon Dec 22 2008 Emmanuel Seyman emmanuel.sey...@club-internet.fr 1.12-1 - Specfile autogenerated by cpanspec 1.77. Index: .cvsignore === RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch/F-10/.cvsignore,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2 --- .cvsignore 12 Jun 2009 04:33:38 - 1.1 +++ .cvsignore 12 Jun 2009 07:33:56 - 1.2 @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +Exception-Class-TryCatch-1.12.tar.gz Index: sources === RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Exception-Class-TryCatch/F-10/sources,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2 --- sources 12 Jun 2009 04:33:38 - 1.1 +++ sources 12 Jun 2009 07:33:56 - 1.2 @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +d9943ce5e251437312a11001b9531f43 Exception-Class-TryCatch-1.12.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
[Bug 503765] perl-File-Find-Rule is not available in EPEL4
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503765 --- Comment #4 from Xavier Bachelot xav...@bachelot.org 2009-06-12 03:54:45 EDT --- My main point of interest is also EL5, but some guys here at work are stuck on EL4, so I would be happy to take care of the EL4 branches of the packages I requested you (and others) to rebuild. I'll check the ones who have no taker in the dependency tree for perl-Log-Dispatch-FileRotate in a few days and request commit rights for them in the pkgdb. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
[Bug 505576] New: perl-PAR-Packer not built with $RPM_OPT_FLAGS
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: perl-PAR-Packer not built with $RPM_OPT_FLAGS https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505576 Summary: perl-PAR-Packer not built with $RPM_OPT_FLAGS Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Platform: All OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: medium Priority: low Component: perl-PAR-Packer AssignedTo: mmasl...@redhat.com ReportedBy: ville.sky...@iki.fi QAContact: extras...@fedoraproject.org CC: fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com, mmasl...@redhat.com Blocks: 496968 Classification: Fedora http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/perl-PAR-Packer/0.991/1.fc12/data/logs/x86_64/build.log For example: gcc -c -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -DDEBUGGING -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/usr/include/gdbm -I/usr/lib64/perl5/5.10.0/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/CORE sha1.c No $RPM_OPT_FLAGS there. See bug 496968 for more info. Also, while at it, any reason why parallel build is not used? And why is the test suite disabled? If there are reasons for these, would be good to document them in the specfile. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
Heads up: perl readline $! no longer broken
Hello, a long standing perl bug was recently fixed in Fedora. Namely, perl-5.10.0-69 from Jun 3 fixes bug #221113, a.k.a. http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=39060 The problem was that $! was incorrectly set to Bad file descriptor, even though EOF was reached without any error. The bug lived several years and tought people not to check $!. Really nasty. People should check always errno. It is now possible! Please help spread the word. Alternatively, people might have written a code that _expects_ the incorrect errno. That code needs to be fixed. For example: --- Data-Dump-Streamer-2.09/t/madness.t.orig 2009-06-12 16:50:09.343385762 +0200 +++ Data-Dump-Streamer-2.09/t/madness.t 2009-06-12 16:50:19.376389596 +0200 @@ -260,3 +260,3 @@ _EOF_FORMAT_ PV8 = ab\ncd\x{20ac}\t, - PVM = 'Bad file descriptor', + PVM = '', RV = \do { my $v = undef }, This is whet Iain Arnell had to do a few moments ago. This commit made it clear to me that I have to write this announcement. Sorry, Iain and sorry to all others, that this has not came to my mind earlier. Have a nice day, Stepan -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
Re: Heads up: perl readline $! no longer broken
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Stepan Kasalska...@redhat.com wrote: Hello, a long standing perl bug was recently fixed in Fedora. [snip] This is whet Iain Arnell had to do a few moments ago. This commit made it clear to me that I have to write this announcement. Sorry, Iain and sorry to all others, that this has not came to my mind earlier. No apologies necessary - it was a valuable learning experience - I feel suitably enriched by my efforts to track down the cause of my problem. -- Iain. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
[Bug 431559] Circular build dependency
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=431559 Ed Avis e...@membled.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |CLOSED Resolution||NOTABUG --- Comment #7 from Ed Avis e...@membled.com 2009-06-12 11:40:04 EDT --- Closing this since it's not really a bug, just a philosophical issue. I still believe that putting in circular build deps is a bad idea (especially so if you then have to manually comment and uncomment them in order to build the packages) but it is best discussed on the mailing list. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
[Bug 489228] Keyboard does not work in perl-Tk programs
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=489228 --- Comment #13 from Patrick Laughton j...@jima.tk 2009-06-12 14:39:12 EDT --- Created an attachment (id=347645) -- (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=347645) fix for bugs #489228 #491536 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
[Bug 489228] Keyboard does not work in perl-Tk programs
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=489228 Patrick Laughton j...@jima.tk changed: What|Removed |Added CC||j...@jima.tk --- Comment #14 from Patrick Laughton j...@jima.tk 2009-06-12 14:42:31 EDT --- Looks like the error from comment #8 is the same as from bug #491536, which came to my attention because it was filed against clusterssh (which triggered the error in perl-Tk). Swiping Debian's patch for the matter (see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516201 ) seems to make it go away for both Patrick's test case and for clusterssh. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
[Bug 491536] cssh is broken
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=491536 --- Comment #9 from Patrick Laughton j...@jima.tk 2009-06-12 14:55:44 EDT --- This seems to be the same problem as described in bug #489228 comment #8. I've attached a patch there that seems to remedy both. I think we can effectively call one a duplicate of the other. Comments? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
rpms/perl-DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch/devel .cvsignore, 1.2, 1.3 perl-DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch.spec, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.2, 1.3
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch/devel In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv21869 Modified Files: .cvsignore perl-DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch.spec sources Log Message: * Wed Jun 03 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.05-1 - auto-update to 0.05 (by cpan-spec-update 0.01) - altered br on perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker) (0 = 6.42) - altered br on perl(DBIx::Class) (0 = 0.08103) - added a new br on perl(DBIx::Class::TimeStamp) (version 0.07) - added a new br on perl(DBICx::TestDatabase) (version 0) Index: .cvsignore === RCS file: /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch/devel/.cvsignore,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -p -r1.2 -r1.3 --- .cvsignore 12 Apr 2009 19:30:29 - 1.2 +++ .cvsignore 12 Jun 2009 20:12:33 - 1.3 @@ -1 +1 @@ -DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch-0.03.tar.gz +DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch-0.05.tar.gz Index: perl-DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch.spec === RCS file: /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch/devel/perl-DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch.spec,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2 --- perl-DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch.spec 12 Apr 2009 19:30:29 - 1.1 +++ perl-DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch.spec 12 Jun 2009 20:12:33 - 1.2 @@ -1,19 +1,19 @@ -Name: perl-DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch -Version:0.03 +Name: perl-DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch +Version:0.05 Release:1%{?dist} # lib/DBIx/Class/DateTime/Epoch.pm - GPL+ or Artistic -License:GPL+ or Artistic +License:GPL+ or Artistic Group: Development/Libraries -Summary:Automatic inflation/deflation of epoch-based DateTime objects for DBIx::Class -Source: http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/B/BR/BRICAS/DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch-%{version}.tar.gz +Summary:Automatic inflation/deflation of epoch-based DateTime objects for DBIx::Class +Source: http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/B/BR/BRICAS/DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch-%{version}.tar.gz Url:http://search.cpan.org/dist/DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch -BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n) +BuildRoot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n) Requires: perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo $version)) BuildArch: noarch BuildRequires: perl(DateTime) -BuildRequires: perl(DBIx::Class) -BuildRequires: perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker) +BuildRequires: perl(DBIx::Class) = 0.08103 +BuildRequires: perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker) = 6.42 BuildRequires: perl(Module::Build::Compat) BuildRequires: perl(Test::More) BuildRequires: perl(Test::Pod) @@ -21,6 +21,10 @@ BuildRequires: perl(Test::Pod::Coverage) Requires: perl(DBIx::Class) +### auto-added brs! +BuildRequires: perl(DBIx::Class::TimeStamp) = 0.07 +BuildRequires: perl(DBICx::TestDatabase) + %description This module automatically inflates/deflates DateTime objects corresponding to applicable columns. Columns may also be defined to @@ -49,19 +53,25 @@ find %{buildroot} -depth -type d -exec r make test %clean -rm -rf %{buildroot} +rm -rf %{buildroot} %files %defattr(-,root,root,-) -%doc Changes README +%doc Changes README %{perl_vendorlib}/* %{_mandir}/man3/*.3* %changelog +* Wed Jun 03 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.05-1 +- auto-update to 0.05 (by cpan-spec-update 0.01) +- altered br on perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker) (0 = 6.42) +- altered br on perl(DBIx::Class) (0 = 0.08103) +- added a new br on perl(DBIx::Class::TimeStamp) (version 0.07) +- added a new br on perl(DBICx::TestDatabase) (version 0) + * Fri Apr 10 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.03-1 - update for submission * Fri Apr 10 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.03-0 - initial RPM packaging - generated with cpan2dist (CPANPLUS::Dist::RPM version 0.0.8) - Index: sources === RCS file: /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch/devel/sources,v retrieving revision 1.2 retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -p -r1.2 -r1.3 --- sources 12 Apr 2009 19:30:30 - 1.2 +++ sources 12 Jun 2009 20:12:34 - 1.3 @@ -1 +1 @@ -09506b137eee4050c8283dafbd3a98bb DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch-0.03.tar.gz +091a52906a005569f0a8711a4fc5baac DBIx-Class-DateTime-Epoch-0.05.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
[Bug 491536] cssh is broken
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=491536 --- Comment #11 from Patrick Laughton j...@jima.tk 2009-06-12 23:51:31 EDT --- Okay, going back to comment #7 and attempting to duplicate that error... # uname -r;rpm -q clusterssh perl-Tk 2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.x86_64 clusterssh-3.22-1.fc9.noarch perl-Tk-804.028-5.fc9.x86_64 Doing a straightforward `cssh r...@host` works. I think there's something else at play here. Crud. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl Fedora-perl-devel-list mailing list Fedora-perl-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-perl-devel-list
Re: Can anyone volunteer to help with a Python 2.5 / Python 2.4 code issue?
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.comwrote: On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 22:19 -0700, Kyle VanderBeek wrote: Tell Brennan he can swing by my place in Potrero Hill to do the upload. I have great internet access. :-) It's done now :). git should be in sync with the latest code. Oof. He uploaded it in a new directory? Now there are two copies of the code (triageweb and triageweb-0.1), no labels, and .pyc, .pyo, and ~ files all checked in. Brennan, if you want some assistance/tutorials with source control workflows and using git to work with others, contact me. -- ky...@kylev.com Some people have a way with words, while others... erm... thingy. ___ Fedora-python-devel-list mailing list Fedora-python-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-python-devel-list