Re: Awesome Fedora Wallpaper
On Sun, 2006-08-27 at 18:47 -0400, Steve Barnhart wrote: On 8/27/06, Marco D'Amico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Máirín Duffy ha scritto: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/23479034/ It's a nice idea but I don't like it because it showing the bubbles. indeed Very Teal'c like. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: preference-desktop-theme icon draft
On Sat, 2007-03-10 at 13:28 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Using the monitor icon, I made a variation to fit preference-desktop-theme. Is 4 colors on screen enough or should we go with 9? Reminds me of the Windows logo. Can you try a few alternatives? Thinking that also. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: shiny desktop, anyone?
On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 12:49 +0100, Steve Hill wrote: On Wed, 30 May 2007, Valent Turkovic wrote: If you want other distro for comparison - Mint Linux (as a good example comes to mind) and UbuntuStudio (as a not so good example). look at this: http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/bianca-2.2/06.png Mint seem to have made the panel a bit more interesting, but the titlebars are very plain and boring (also my complaint with the Fedora theme). I had a quick google around for Ubuntu Studio screenshots: http://ubuntustudio.com/ww2/themes/ubuntustudio/images/screenshots/screenshot-3.png Quite nice - I like the domed look on the panels and title bars, and that could be alpha-blended when switching to compiz to keep the theming consistent. Definitely not a fan of that ... looks way too much like vista. Paul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9
On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 23:24 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote: SNIP * NTFS support during installation there should be NTFS support built in to anaconda so that ntfs partitions are automatically recognized and added to /etc/fstab - and that users are given an option to make them read-only or to be mounted in read-write mode. I don't believe this is possible because of non-free licensing reasons. * Beagle and Deskbar installed by default these applications make all the difference for an desktop user between an OK user experience and wonderful user experience. Work flow using these two applications is radically improved and this is what should be showcased as a Modern linux desktop. I could go either way with this ... I personally did not like it, of course I prefer the Windows Classic setting when using Windows also. - also I would add a beagle firefox plugin which also makes all the difference when you need some resource you saw online but didn't bookmark it or put it on del.ico.us - these apps don't waste resources, and the memory footprint is really not that much, especially if put in context that you really have to look hard these days for a system that has less or equal to 256MB of memory. I tested beagle on 3 laptop systems with fedora 6 / 7 and one desktop with also fedora 6 / 7 and I didn't have a single issue. So for me not to have in installed in Fedora 7 was a big disappointment. For me beagle seemed to cause the system to become a bit laggy when it was indexing on my old P4. On a dual core I have not noticed it working, but that's my experience. * Firefox to have it's original icon in gnome panel the icon fedora uses makes me search for firefox icon all the time. I guess that I'm not the only one. Firefox has one of the most recognisable icons I have ever seen and simply don't see why fedora uses non-firefox icon. It just confuses users. The reason for Firefox Icon not being used is that you can change your browser to some other though the preferred applications control panel to something else. Nothing like clicking on the Firefox icon and firing up Links! * Desktop shortcut for joining Fedora IRC (aka Get Live Help) Fedora is about freedom+communication, right? Why not make this statement more that just a nice slogan. If you installed saabyon linux SNIP in IRC chat room and was on my way after I got quick help. Whis kind of help was precious to me and would love to see it in fedora as one of it's main features and not just as a slogan. screenshot: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=382063978size=l Not a bad idea ... I would give that a +1 * Desktop folder with examples of what this linux thing can do :) This is especially important for a live cd versions. Ubuntu has this SNIP great value in video presentation and include some great videos on Fedora 8 live CD. ubuntu examples: http://johnny.chadda.se/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/Ubuntu_Examples.png and another: http://knowledge76.com/images/thumb/800px-Dapper_examples.png Not a bad idea, though I would definitely allow not installing them if you don't want/need the extra cruft. The ones I've liked are the We Are Here and the fedora remix videos. Of the RedHat ones I always liked Truth Happens and Inevitable * a working Burning app for Fedora Gnome desktop Put any new user in front of fresh Fedora 7 desktop and ask them to SNIP a link for CD Recoder placed somewhere under Applications menu and not Places menu. Well the current one works like the windows XP one does ... drop in a burnable disk and drop files into the folder and click Write to Disk. I rather like the way Nautilus one works ... for most stuff it's all that's needed. Regards, Paul Berger ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10 theme ideas
On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 09:54 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 10:40 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: Great. It's good to start this early with the theming, thus we'll have less problems in the future with time schedule :) I don't know... if we get again a release name in the middle of Round 2 and get the process influenced by that and start wondering about the usefulness of the first round... Does the theme have to be based on the Release Name? Can the art theme not stand alone? eg rawhide Animal Skin. The skies are nice, but what about: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/waterfall/clusters/ Roar=Voice, Timeless=Infinite, Flowing=Freedom I out of those the following are rather nice... http://www.flickr.com/photos/steve_green/424383601/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/atlapix/1086593983/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/dynax7/1053719391/ Paul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F10 Artwork and Release Name [was: Re: Fedora 10 theme ideas]
On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 09:24 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Hi Martin, Martin Sourada wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 14:01 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 10:40 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: I don't know... if we get again a release name in the middle of Round 2 and get the process influenced by that and start wondering about the usefulness of the first round... Aaah, I forgot... Then, is it already decided when the F10 release name will be set? If we are going to match the artwork for F10 with it's release name, it would greatly help if the release name was determined really early in the process, so it would make IMHO sense (and would greatly help us, the art team) to start with the F10 naming process now and have a vote just about (or shortly after) the F9 release. What do you think? Supposedly there was recently some talk about that - jump to 3) Painless Releases Meeting: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-March/msg00139.html I read this thread, but I fail to see if a decision has been made since then? I don't know if minutes are available for that meeting, but Jessie Keating said that the naming process for F10 will start as soon as F9 is released so we will hopefully have the codename a lot earlier. Hmm, it would be interesting if they would pick names from the four classical elements of Earth, Air, Fire and Water ... two of the suggested theme ideas so far cover two of those. Paul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
No sound in rawhide
Hi, Prior to the big push to f12, my system had full audio. No problems. Lovely, lovely sounds. For some reason, alsa and pulseaudio are completely failing to pick up my sound card (either the onboard one or my soundblaster). This is despite them both being listed on lspci and lsmod. Any ideas on getting this to work again? TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Rawhide updates?
Hi, Any sign of a rawhide push or has something gone amiss? TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Building firefox
Hi, For some reason, firefox has become really unstable on the likes of eBay and facebook (it crashes out after clicking on the login button). It looks like it could be either a gcj issue or xulrunner. I've tried to rebuild from the srpm, it built, but then when I try to install I get Error unpacking rpm package firefox-3.5-0.22.beta4.fc12.i586 error : unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/lib/firefox-3.5b4/firefox;4a4615d6 : cpio : Digest mismatch firefox-3.5-0.22.beta4.fc12.i586 was supposed to be removed but is not! I've never come across this before and am wondering if there is some sort of magic required to build firefox or if there is something else going on. Any chance of a real rebuild please? TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Rawhide pulseaudio manager problem
Hi, Despite the packagekit updates, I've still not got any sound on my rawhide box. When I've run from the command line pulseaudio --start or pulseaudio -D it returns E: main.c: Daemon startup failed When I run PulseAudio Manager, I'm seeing something which may explain things a bit (though it could just be the manager app being odd!) Under Client Information, it's saying it is linked to library version 0.9.16-test1 but compiled with library version 0.9.15-test3 Clicking connect gives me a connection refused. Shouldn't everything be built against 0.9.16-test1? Do I need to put this into bz? I've checked using rpm -qa and everything on my systen is 0.9.16. TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Building firefox
Hi, Error unpacking rpm package firefox-3.5-0.22.beta4.fc12.i586 error : unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/lib/firefox-3.5b4/firefox;4a4615d6 : cpio : Digest mismatch firefox-3.5-0.22.beta4.fc12.i586 was supposed to be removed but is not! This probably means that the source RPM uses hashes that aren't supported on your current system. To get it to build on your system, you can either get an SRPM built for version of Fedora or rebuild the SRPM on your machine. Downloaded the rawhide version for the SRPM (which is what I run), built and the error above is what was generated from the RPM created on my machine from the rawhide SRPM. TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Streaming terminal output to a file
Hi, I'm trying to stream a stack traceback to a file so that I can add it to a bug for firefox. However, the likes of firefox firefox.txt, firefox 2 firefox.txt and firefox firefox.txt either dumps nothing or dumps something, but in all cases, not the stack traceback. What do I need to do to save the traceback? TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Rawhide pulseaudio manager problem
Hi, When you file that bug report, please include a dump of pulseaudio -v Done - BZ 508810 TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Oh to have USB/CD write and sound...
Hi, As you're all aware on here, I've been using Rawhide for many many many moons now, I accept the risks, I accept the bleeding edge and that my fingers may get burned from time to time. However, it's been quite a while now (I think it broke shortly after the rawhide repos opened post the release of f11) since I can plug in a USB drive and have it mount without having to open a terminal window, su and mount it by hand. I can no longer use my DVD writer as I don't have the correct user permissions and the only way to get sound is to again su, change the ownership of /dev/snd to be me and restart pulseaudio. The above are really just annoyances that I can deal with. However, I now find that I can't open a terminal window (makes no difference to program used - happens with xterm, gnome-terminal and the kde one) without being told that there was an error creating the child process for this terminal. OK, xterm just sits there, but I'm guessing it's suffering from the same problem. Any ideas when normality will be returned? TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Mono heads up
Hi, As of next week, I'll be starting the weekly builds of mono from svn and putting them into rawhide. It is my intention to push 2.4.2.2 into F11 in about a months time (it should hit rawhide tomorrow). TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Are all your Fedora 12 Features Where They Should be?
Hi, Nine days remain before Fedora 12 Feature freeze. No more features can be added after 2009-07-28. I'm missing 2 features (still). No sound and no mounting of USB drives. I can get sound by a combination of su / chown -R paul:audio /dev/snd / exit / pulseaudio -k. USB I have to create a directory in /home/paul, su, mount /dev/sd*1 newdir and then can only do things as su to that directory, but as paul for taking from it. TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Are all your Fedora 12 Features Where They Should be?
Hi, Could you try running gparted as root after plugging USB drive? For me it triggers some kind of scan, after which proper HAL-based mount proccess works. Still says i'm not authorised to mount the drive... TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rawhide report: 20090724 changes
Hi, udev-145-2.fc12 --- * Fri Jul 24 2009 Harald Hoyer har...@redhat.com 145-2 - fix file permissions - remove rpath - chkconfig --add for udev-post - fix summaries - add Required-Stop to udev-post Does this now mean inserting a USB drive into my machine will actually mount or do I still need to do this as su? TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rawhide report: 20090727 changes
Hi, kernel-2.6.31-0.94.rc4.fc12 --- * Fri Jul 24 2009 Chuck Ebbert cebb...@redhat.com - Enable CONFIG_DEBUG_KOBJECT in debug kernels. (#513606) * Fri Jul 24 2009 Kristian Høgsberg k...@redhat.com - Add drm-page-flip.patch to support vsynced page flipping on intel chipsets. - Really add patch. - Fix patch to not break nouveau. Sorry, nouveau is still broken due the kernel. Works fine under 2.6.31-0.81.rc3.git4.fc12.i686.PAE, but nothing since. I've a GF7600 on this box. TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
gtk-sharp2 heads up
Hi, Monodevelop 2.2 beta 1 has just hit paydirt and, of course, I've built it and plonked it over to koji to do its magic. However, to get MD to compile, I've also had to update gtk-sharp2 to 2.12.9. This should not have any direct effect on anything else, but you can never tell.. MD 2.2 (full version) is due in October sometime. TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Mono-2.6 - heads up
Hi Folks, Just spotted on the mono forums that mono-2.6 is being branched on Monday which means that it (should) be in the Rawhide repos Tuesday. As it stands, 2.6 is a world of difference to 2.4.2.3 in terms of speed and reliability. I've not encountered any big problems with code compiled under previous versions of Mono not running under the 2.6 svn branch yet, so it should be good and smooth. I would recommend though that maintainers of applications reliant on mono recompile them against 2.6 when it hits rawhide just to be safe. TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Pulseaudio problem with xine, xmms and mplayer
Hi, Whenever I try to run xine, xmms or mplayer from the command line, I keep getting an error from pulseaudio Assertion 'pthread_mutex_unlock(m-mutex) == 0' failed at pulsecore/mutex-posix.c:108, function pa_mutex_unlock(). Aborting. It makes no difference if I try to use ogg, mp3 or wav files, they all fail and die with the same error. I'm using pulseaudio-0.9.21-3.fc13 and the 2.6.32-0.65.rc8.git5.fc13.i686.PAE kernel PAM fires up and reports all the audio devices are running fine. Any ideas? TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Pulseaudio problem with xine, xmms and mplayer
Hi, Any ideas? Yes. Firstly, next time please report bugs to bugzilla, that's why we have it. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=548989 Secondly, this is not a PA problem. The RT folks broke PI mutexes again, this is a kernel/glibc problem. S, don't ask if anyone else has seen it or report it under the wrong application then? Sounds like a cunning plan to me... TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Mono 2.6 - heads up
Hi, Sometime today or tomorrow I'll be uploading Mono-2.6 and the final release of MD-2.2 with all the fun that it will bring. There are lots of changes under the hood of mono and while the likes of gtk-sharp2 et al are still working on my test boxes, it might be wise to rebuild to take advantage of the improved facilities. The only thing holding up proceedings is that mono-debugger is failing to build for me which may be the debugger or mono. I'm waiting on something from Novell on that. There are a pile of changes under the hood for mono and monodevelop... http://www.mono-project.com/Release_Notes_Mono_2.6 and this time, I've added a new subpackage for the preview of C# 4.0 TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Mono 2.6 - heads up
Hi, There are a pile of changes under the hood for mono and monodevelop... http://www.mono-project.com/Release_Notes_Mono_2.6 and this time, I've added a new subpackage for the preview of C# 4.0 I presume that will only be for rawhide? Correct :-) Uploading now... Watch this space! TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rawhide report: 20091227 changes
Hi, monodevelop-debugger-mdb-2.1.0-1.fc12.i686 requires mono(MonoDevelop.Debugger) = 0:2.1.0.0 monodevelop-debugger-mdb-2.1.0-1.fc12.i686 requires mono(MonoDevelop.Core) = 0:2.1.0.0 monodevelop-debugger-mdb-2.1.0-1.fc12.i686 requires mono(MonoDevelop.AspNet) = 0:2.1.0.0 Fixed. Grab it from koji now or wait until tomorrows rawhide update. TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
BZ 523646 - F13Blocker?
Hi, I originally reported this bug in September 2009 when f12 was rawhide. It was fixed but has recently resurfaced for both F12 and rawhide users leaving anyone with an intel chipset for video with unusable systems. Given that this kills quite a few laptop users, can this be escalated to F13Blocker? It is already listed as high for both priority and severity. I've not tried booting a live distro that is not a fedora one as to be honest, I'd rather not sully my machines! However, I've not heard of anyone using Ubuntu with the same kernel and xorg-x11-drv-intel version having the same problems. Thoughts folks? TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Fixing the kernel for intel laptops
Hi, I'm trying to get my Intel graphics driven laptop up and running again (see BZ 523646 for details of the problem) and am trying to rebuild the kernel using the latest from kernel.org and the fedora srpm (install srpm, copy the kernel, run the spec). The idea is I drop each patch, build and see which one is killing the system and then feed that back to the kernel bods. The current rawhide kernel (2.6.32.2-14.fc13.i686) is no go on the laptop. Question is, how do I configure the spec file to use the latest kernel tarball? TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Mono.Cecil monodevelop-debugger-mdb
Hi, You can't expect everyone to change their software design to work for Fedora, even if it has disadvantages. We do expect that, sorry. Bundling libraries is not a solution, fixing the library not to break its ABI/API every couple days is. Here I have to agree with you Kevin. Mono.Cecil is a pain, but it's the only one in Mono which does change between packages. I don't understand why. As it stands, the fix was easy; change monodevelop so that it doesn't add mono.cecil to the list that it provides and add it in by itself. It's not a fix upstream will listen to (as aren't the 64 bit lib fixes - don't ask, I've been trying for ages to get them to accept them). I'm going to have a go at building the other monodevelop plugins over the next week and get them into rawhide Assuming I still can by then ;-p TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Packaging problem with %find_lang
Hi,
Packaging up monodevelop-boo and I've hit a problem with find_lang which
I can't figure out as everything seems fine!
I have the %find_lang %{name} in the %install section where name =
monodevelop-boo (which is the correct name for the translation files).
When the spec file reaches this point though, it complains there are no
translation files despite there being translation files!
The build is producing the following
mkdir
-p
/home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/monodevelop-boo-2.2-1.fc13.i386/usr/lib/monodevelop/AddIns/BooBinding/locale/zh_CN/LC_MESSAGES/
cp '../build/locale/zh_CN/LC_MESSAGES/monodevelop-boo.mo'
'/home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/monodevelop-boo-2.2-1.fc13.i386/usr/lib/monodevelop/AddIns/BooBinding/locale/zh_CN/LC_MESSAGES/monodevelop-boo.mo'
mkdir
-p
/home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/monodevelop-boo-2.2-1.fc13.i386/usr/lib/monodevelop/AddIns/BooBinding/locale/zh_TW/LC_MESSAGES/
cp '../build/locale/zh_TW/LC_MESSAGES/monodevelop-boo.mo'
'/home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/monodevelop-boo-2.2-1.fc13.i386/usr/lib/monodevelop/AddIns/BooBinding/locale/zh_TW/LC_MESSAGES/monodevelop-boo.mo'
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILD/monodevelop-boo-2.2/po'
make[1]: Entering directory
`/home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILD/monodevelop-boo-2.2'
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILD/monodevelop-boo-2.2'
+ /usr/lib/rpm/find-lang.sh
/home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/monodevelop-boo-2.2-1.fc13.i386 monodevelop-boo
No translations found for monodevelop-boo
in /home/paul/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/monodevelop-boo-2.2-1.fc13.i386
Am I going insane here (more than usual that is) or is find_lang
misbehaving? It works fine for monodevelop and mono itself.
TTFN
Paul
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Latest squirrelmail for Fedora Core 1, 2, 3
http://www.squirrelmail.org/download.php Just thought I'd let you all know if you don't already. I run Core 1 and I've been having a problem with squirrelmail chopping the last attachment when doing multiple attachments after one of the recent php updates. Anyhow, I have verified the latest squirrelmail 1.4.5-1 fixes this bug. -- fedora-legacy-list mailing list fedora-legacy-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list
[Fedora-legal-list] Repackaging mono to include support for Silverlight
i, I've had a request from rpmfusion to rebuild mono with the --with-moonlight flag set. This builds in the functionality required to build Silverlight on rpmfusion. I am aware that Fedora itself cannot have Silverlight in (the licence is the MS shared source (cough) licence) due to the potential for MS to do it's usual trick of going back on their word and applying patents to cause problems. While adding in the smcs and silverlight code possibly does not break any of the fedora rules, I am of the thinking that we don't add the flag for the same reason that we have disabled xmms for mp3; it has the potential to cause us problems. If I get the okay to build mono with the flag, I will. TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-legal-list mailing list Fedora-legal-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list
Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Wiki page : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine_proposal
Hi, I've not edited the page as I'd like the fedora-legal people's perspective on this. Hmm, ok. Here's my thoughts: * Some of the content will be written/created by LPM (possibly all of the content). Accordingly, I don't think we get much say in how they use it, aside from the normal trademark usage considerations. I'd have thought that we (Fedora people) would be in a better position to write about F12 than LPM. As it is advertising Fedora, I think Fedora should have more say in what is done with it. * For anything that Fedora owns, we should be sure it is available under acceptable licensing terms, but for things like screenshots, I doubt there is much concern, as that sort of thing is rather ubiquitous. You'd think that - I know some companies hate screenshots being taken and frequently mock up rather than show production... * I think ultimately, if Fedora contributors end up authoring content for this magazine, they should do so under licensing terms that they are comfortable with, but I don't think it is necessary to mandate it. Here I'd disagree. While for software, folks are happy for anyone to use it as they like. However, for written work, people become protective. It is better have something which says by contributing this piece, you are giving Fedora to publish once and republish once by any means. That way the author knows exactly what terms they are contributing by. I know it's not ideal, but this is publishing and to paraphrase and old (and long gone) editor friend, you live and die by the words you use. TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-legal-list mailing list Fedora-legal-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list
Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Wiki page : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine_proposal
Hi, I'm quite looking forward to seeing the revised proposal tomorrow from LPM :-) Has LPM come back to us yet? TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-legal-list mailing list Fedora-legal-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legal-list
wget problem
Hi, I'm trying to grab all of the .zip files from www.urbanfonts.com using wget. If I use flashgot, it will work for the page I'm on, but the output from flashgot doesn't tell me which options are used? All of the files are in the form of xyz.php?fontname.zip. Any ideas on how to get them easier than doing every page with flashgot? TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: wget problem
Hi, do you have a complete list of the fontnames? Then you can try it in a loop? 'fraid not - the names are stored somewhere on the site and added as a $POST (by the look of it) when you click on the link... TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Putting a unicode character into a terminal window (or even into OOo)
Hi, Under Worm, if I press alt-132 I end up with an umlaut a. This doesn't work under OOo 3 or in a terminal window. How can I get the same result under Linux? I should know this, but for some reason My system is set as UTF-en_GB. TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to archive to DVD?
Hi, I have created a directory named archive, and moved all the photo directories into it. Now I want to write the contents of that archive directory to a DVD (double layer - 8.5 GB). What is the easiest way to do this? (Fedora 9 - I use GNOME). yum -y install k3b Create new Data DVD Drag the Archives directory to the project window Burn Other DVD burning packages are available and your mileage may vary. Neither myself nor my sunglasses are accountable for any wibbling which may occur... TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F9 Mono
Hi, What are the mono (/usr/bin/mono*) functions used for in F9? Which ones in particular? TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F9 Mono
Hi, I was thinking of /usr/bin/mono executes mono apps /usr/bin/mono-api-diff /usr/bin/mono-api-info /usr/bin/mono-api-info2 /usr/bin/mono-service /usr/bin/mono-service2 Both mono-service and mono-service2 are from xsp (run ASPX files) /usr/bin/mono-test-install Tests the installs fine /usr/bin/monodir Sets the mono runtime directory /usr/bin/monolinker Links mono bits to underlying libraries (like a glue) Then there are also quite a few *.exe files aparently generated by /usr/bin/mono. I was surprised to find all the .exe files in F9. You'll get lots of them from the main mono packages, but a pile of others from different apps. They should all live in /usr/lib or /usr/lib64 though TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F9 Mono
Hi, Thanks for the response which raises for me additional questions below. No problem I was thinking of /usr/bin/mono executes mono apps what are some of the mono apps and what do they do? Monodevelop - IDE for developing .NET apps under Linux f-spot - Graphics package beagle - search thing /usr/bin/mono-service /usr/bin/mono-service2 Both mono-service and mono-service2 are from xsp (run ASPX files) I find no info on xsp (no man or info entries). What programs invoke these mono utilities? XSP runs with mod_mono which is an Apache2 module. xsp is the ASP.NET server. You'll get lots of them from the main mono packages, but a pile of others from different apps. They should all live in /usr/lib or /usr/lib64 though What purpose do the .exe files serve in F9? Usually, the files in /usr/bin that run .NET applications are just scripts that execute mono with some argument or other. The argument used points to the appropriate .exe in /usr/lib[64]/application_name. For example, the one for monodevelop in /usr/bin reads (on my box - snipped down a lot!) MD_BIN_PATH=/usr/lib/monodevelop/bin exec -a monodevelop /usr/bin/mono --debug ./MonoDevelop.exe $@ This sets the binary path to be /usr/lib/monodevelop/bin - the files in there are not Linux binaries, rather they are .NET files which need mono to run. The second line executes /usr/bin/mono (the runtime), sets it to debug mode and runs MonoDevelop.exe which is in /usr/lib/monodevelop/bin with any arguments in needs (the $@ bit). .NET apps using mono do this to make it look like the binary is a native linux one rather than a .NET one. TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F9 Mono
Hi, Thanks for the response which raises for me additional questions below. No problem Thanks again. The reason for my interest in mono is that the selinux policy manager prevented an access by mono to some file or other, and I got curious about mono in general. I still wonder about vulnerabilities introduced by the presence of mono, but your replies have been helpful. It's like any other piece of software, it's as secure as it goes. I've not seen any vulnerabilities through mono apps yet. I'm not saying there aren't any, just that I've not seen any. TTFN Paul (mono user since 0.13) -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Major Printing issue in FC8
Hi, This is a newbie question. Please be gentle. Any help would be appreciated in resolving this issue. For some reason whenever I'd try to print, the printing interface ( with my printers and print to pdf ) would pop up ( in gnome), I'd choose a printer and it would hang/lockup. This started today. Everything was fine on Friday. When I open up a console and type: I'm afraid F8 is now dead and unsupported. I'd advise you to shift up to either F9 or F10 where just about all the problems you're seeing are but a distant memory... TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
OOo 3 question
Hi, I have a document which for 99% of it uses a two column format. However, right in the middle, I need it to be a normal page for about 3 pages afterwhich, it goes back to 2 columns. Is there any way that I can get OOo to do this? TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Fedora 11 fail because of Anaconda :(
Have you tried a plain old filesystem, such as ext3 or ext2, without LVM or anything fancy schmancy? Not that I am a big fan of Anaconda, far from it, but always go back to the basics when other things don't work. - Paul P.S.: Installs fine so far on everything I have tested it on, be it 5 years old or still bleeding along the edges. -Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of John Mellor Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 5:36 PM To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora. Subject: Re: Fedora 11 fail because of Anaconda :( Importance: High On Sun, 2009-05-03 at 21:45 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote: http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-11-fail-be cause-of-anaconda/ I wrote a blog post regarding issues I have with Fedora 11 anaconda installer. How is your experience using Fedora anaconda installer with Fedora 11 beta and preview releases? I've tried every combination that I can think of to get F11 loaded onto my old Dell XPS t800r testbed, and its dead, Jim. If I let it default the filesystem layout, I can see and partition the disk, but always get a popup about not being able to find a disk partition after what looks like a successful repartition. If I reboot and try again, It gives me one extra 200MB empty first partition each time (which I can delete, but should not have to). If I use LVM and EXT3 instead of EXT4, then it fully installs, but grub cannot find the boot image on first reboot. It also does not seem to matter whether I add the rawhide packages or not. Searching bugzilla, I'm amazed that nobody seems to have reported this showstopper problem yet. Is everyone else who is testing using real hardware dead in the water like myself? Or is there a workaround that I just don't know about? Anaconda is totally broken for my testbed anyways. Perhaps there should be a startup query for whether to use the installer from F9, F10, Suse, or Ubuntu, all of which install properly on this old machine. I think that somebody urgently needs to re-release the preview, so that we can actually test it, or delay the release date by at least a month. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Selinux disallows read-only loop mount of a file, but only at boot [SOLVED]
Here is your problem right here: SELinux
Have a good, slow read of this:
http://kerneltrap.org/OpenBSD/SELinux_vs_OpenBSDs_Default_Security
If you still want to use SELinux, well, there's not much I can do to help
you.
Cheers,
- Paul
-Original Message-
From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com]
On Behalf Of David
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:57 AM
To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora.
Cc: dwa...@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Selinux disallows read-only loop mount of a file, but only at
boot [SOLVED]
I'm attempting to mount a loop device (a ro file) at boot using fstab.
My fstab entry works fine from the command line, but it fails at boot time
due to a selinux avc error. I assume this is due to incorrect file context.
The file is under a nonstandard top level directory, so I need to
specifically assign it the correct file context, which I would do if I could
figure out what it ought to be.
Where do I look on the system to discover what is the correct file context
required by mount at boot time?
The file and context are:
$ ls -lZ /HUGE/get/iso/Fedora-09-i386-DVD/Fedora-09-i386-DVD.iso
-r--r- root share unconfined_u:object_r:default_t:s0
/HUGE/get/iso/Fedora-09-i386-DVD/Fedora-09-i386-DVD.iso
The fstab line is:
/HUGE/get/iso/Fedora-09-i386-DVD/Fedora-09-i386-DVD.iso
/mnt/Fedora-09-i386-DVD iso9660 loop,ro,gid=share
0 0
The command line that works is:
# mount /mnt/Fedora-09-i386-DVD
The boot-time error messages are:
Mounting local filesystems:
/HUGE/get/iso/Fedora-09-i386-DVD/Fedora-09-i386-DVD.iso: Permission denied
[FAILED] Mounting other filesystems:
/HUGE/get/iso/Fedora-09-i386-DVD/Fedora-09-i386-DVD.iso: Permission denied
[FAILED]
The dmesg error is:
type=1400 audit(1241535886.437:4): avc: denied { read } for
pid=1335 comm=mount name=Fedora-09-i386-DVD.iso dev=sdb2 ino=1922
scontext=system_u:system_r:mount_t:s0
tcontext=unconfined_u:object_r:default_t:s0 tclass=file
My selinux policy is:
# rpm -qa 'selinux-policy-targeted*'
selinux-policy-targeted-3.3.1-132.fc9.noarch
My selinux status is:
# sestatus
SELinux status: enabled
SELinuxfs mount:/selinux
Current mode: enforcing
Mode from config file: enforcing
Policy version: 22
Policy from config file:targeted
My os is:
# uname -r
2.6.25-14.fc9.i686
I have the following boolean unset because I wish to utilise selinux file
context to restrict which files can be mounted:
# getsebool allow_mount_anyfile
allow_mount_anyfile -- off
Interestingly, I did discover that the following command allows subsequent
boot-time mounts to succeed:
# chcon -t mount_exec_t
/HUGE/get/iso/Fedora-09-i386-DVD/Fedora-09-i386-DVD.iso
But I am unsure whether this is the correct solution.
Where do I look on the system to discover what is the correct file context
required by mount at boot time?
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RE: Accessing A Fedora 7 Box FROM The Net
-Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of max Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:46 AM To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora. Subject: Re: Accessing A Fedora 7 Box FROM The Net On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 12:46:57AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 05:20:26 +0200, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: PS: To all those who have replied in this thread: please DO NOT ANSWER this sort of questions about unsupported releases (other than with a reply like mine). You need to pressure people into upgrading, refusing to answer any questions about the unsupported release is the best way. Answering the question doesn't actually help the person who asked, you're helping the script kiddies instead. I disagree. He may have a legitimate reason for not upgrading (such as current kernels not working with his hardware). And it may be that some software on the machine is not stock F7, but in fact more recent versions of critical software. At this point we don't know. Certainly, strongly suggesting an upgrade is reasonable, but trying to use unrelated problems as leverage seems over the line to me. If your going to use outdated software then there shouldn't be any expectation of support. The expectation that you will move away from unsupported releases is entirely reasonable. Now your certainly free to do as you please but Kevin is entirely correct. The continued use of unsupported software is detrimental to the online community as a whole, if your outdated F7 gets compromised your probably not going to be the only one that suffers as a result. I see people clobbering users with supported releases over the head because they break the oh so precious netiquette but apparently running unsupported software is ok, this in my opinion is a much bigger breach of netiquette than top posting will ever be. Responsible netizens? I 've seen that term tossed around this list more than once, maybe people should actually stop and think about what that means. -- Not everyone is such a whiz that they can just go and do an in-place upgrade of any given Linux distribution. Windoze is bad enough with things breaking on an upgrade, Fedora can be a nightmare, and that is on a stock distro without manually updated or installed packages. This is why I personally find the Fedora policy of tossing out a new distro every so often and scrapping the one to or three places back so abhorrent. Have you seen the uproar M$ has gone through over retiring XP? Responsible would be keeping one version and keeping it patched as long as possible, not throwing out the baby, bathwater and tub every six months. There is no actual need to do this, it is just a choice made by the Fedora maintainers, to do it this way rather than make the individual updates to each package, kernel included, as they are brought out by the developers, and tested for use in the distro. - Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Accessing A Fedora 7 Box FROM The Net
-Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mikkel L. Ellertson Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 4:27 PM To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora. Subject: Re: Accessing A Fedora 7 Box FROM The Net Paul wrote: Not everyone is such a whiz that they can just go and do an in-place upgrade of any given Linux distribution. Windoze is bad enough with things breaking on an upgrade, Fedora can be a nightmare, and that is on a stock distro without manually updated or installed packages. This is why I personally find the Fedora policy of tossing out a new distro every so often and scrapping the one to or three places back so abhorrent. Have you seen the uproar M$ has gone through over retiring XP? Responsible would be keeping one version and keeping it patched as long as possible, not throwing out the baby, bathwater and tub every six months. There is no actual need to do this, it is just a choice made by the Fedora maintainers, to do it this way rather than make the individual updates to each package, kernel included, as they are brought out by the developers, and tested for use in the distro. - Paul Paul, If this type of upgrade is such a problem for you, then maybe Fedora is not the correct distribution for you to be running. There are many distributions that are not nearly as fast paced. You have many choices. I believe that most of us here are happy with the release policy of Fedora. There are more then a few people here that run more then one distribution. They run something like RedHat or CentOS for systems that need long term stability. They run Fedora to see one direction things may take in the future. As far as updating individual packages, there is a problem with that. Too many packages depend on each other - you may need to rebuild many packages in order to up update one package. Then you need to test the changed package. It is not nearly as easy as you make it sound. Just ask the people that maintained the Fedora Legacy project... When it comes to MS and the problems with retiring XP, the cases are not comparable. You can run a different distribution of Linux instead of Fedora and do the equivalent of staying with XP. Mikkel You make some pretty heady assumptions here, including where you assume I am speaking on my own behalf about the process of upgrading a machine to a new version. I in fact do run Fedora on a number of machines, but that number is progressively decrementing. The only time I install Fedora on a box anymore is when a client absolutely requires something that is not available in RHEL/CentOS yet, such as the 'latest and greatest' (which too often is more late than great) web 2.0 fluff. The point remains, despite your arguments, that all of the dependencies could be upgraded together at one time without changing to an entirely new release. The Fedora legacy project is not in any way comparable, because it was attempting to extend the life of old releases with far less resources than were being put into developing the 'latest and greatest'. I can agree with you on only one thing, Fedora is not suitable for (the majority of) my needs, because I run systems that require much more stability and reliability than Fedora can provide and don't have time to waste on distro upgrades and fixing everything they break, often as much or more time that would, as you say, be wasted rebuilding and testing packages upgraded outside the plan. Funny though, I spend significantly less time upgrading the OS on my RYO Linux box than I have ever had to spend fixing the problems caused by a Fedora release upgrade on any box, and I update it far more frequently than Fedora makes releases. - Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Why does my window fractionate?
If you are using KDE, there are a number of configurations that you can have for this 'all windows' display, including a cube, a grid, a spinning ring and (I've been told) a simulated hypercube. What you need to find is what you are doing that triggers this, which should be somewhere in the desktop effects configuration, or the file that it changes. - Paul -Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Murphy Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:20 AM To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Why does my window fractionate? I'm running Fedora-10 with KDE. Every now and then my window dissolves into several small windows, each corresponding to one of my desktops. I know this happens when I move the mouse over something, but I haven't been able to work out what that something is. It is not a particularly onerous problem. I just have to click on the mini-window corresponding to the desktop I was in. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: APOLOGY Re: Software request
-Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Beartooth Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 1:46 PM To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: APOLOGY Re: Software request On Wed, 06 May 2009 00:28:59 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: snip I have gnome-format installed. It launches, and seems to try; but I then get an error message saying Error opening /dev/sdc: Permission denied -- even if the disk is one whose Properties tell me its permissions could not be determined. Default is to deny if not accepted in most situations. I did [r...@hbsk2 dev]# chown -R btth:btth /dev/sdc [r...@hbsk2 dev]# and that seems to've gotten rid of the permission problem -- or maybe just hidden it ... Eventually, after various warnings, it does show both the stick and the file system to put on it, as well as a live Format button. Then nothing more happens. No matter how long I leave it (up to half a day), gnome-format shows no sign of doing anything; and the stuff on the stick is still there. Did you unmount the media before formatting? - Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Can't boot!
-Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Patrick O'Callaghan Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:47 PM To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Can't boot! On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 21:25 -0400, William M. Quarles wrote: S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009, William M. Quarles wrote: The computer seems to die right about when X is about to start. Can you try ctrlaltF1 (and F2, F3, ...) to see of console login is on? OK, this PC is playing mean tricks on me. The past 10 times I've tried to boot it, the boot has failed, and also, the keyboard stops responding (so CtrlAltanything doesn't work). This thing is behaving very inconsistently, because it just did a successful boot and I was able to log in. I'd say do a thorough memory check. The brief check done by a BIOS at boot time is not exhaustive enough and sporadic memory errors can cause all kinds of random woe. I recently pulled two 1GB sticks from my machine because memtest86+ found problems (actually I think the problems are with the motherboard slots rather the chips, but it amounts to the same thing). The machine lost half its RAM but now it works flawlessly. http://www.memtest.org poc Are you by chance using some sort of nForce motherboard and DDR2 RAM? A lot of them simply don't push enough juice to the RAM to support 4 sticks without fiddling with the BIOS settings. Most often, reducing the RAM speed (i.e.: from 1066MHz to 800MHz in my case) and increasing the voltage being sent to the RAM slots does the trick. - Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: cell phone
-Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Craig White Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:48 PM To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora. Subject: Re: cell phone On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 18:55 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 16:17 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 17:59 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: Rambod Kamaei wrote: hi to list. can i install fedora packages in my cellphone? Best Regards, Rambod Kamaei (PhD) CCIE, CCNP, Linux Expert. Can we assume your cellphone is a Google Phone whose O/S is Android and uses linux at its base? If that is so Head over to http://developer.android.com/index.html. I hope you are also aware that packages from any distribution are HW specific. ??? I assume you meant CPU type must match, for applications the rest of the hardware is behind system calls and libraries. And I have read in several places that Linux runs on iPhone, probably not Fedora though. ;-) why don't you stick to things you know. iPhone runs a version of Mac OSX http://www.iphonelinux.org I'd say that the legend indicating red for 'Make it Usable' says an awful lot about where its at. Craig I'd say the quantity of blue and yellow says an awful lot, considering that the iPhone is closed hardware. - Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: rsync -
-Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob Goodwin Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:24 PM To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora. Subject: Re: rsync - Andras Simon wrote: If you change the files in parallel on both computers, then I'm afraid you'll have to manually merge them. The only tool I know about which helps with this is Emacs' emerge (which, for all my love for Emacs, I find nearly unusable), but there must be others. Andras Ok, I have two conflicting replies. I will make back up files and give it a try. Thanks for the responses. Bob Why not keep the files in e-space so that you can edit them from either machine and always only be changing the one and only copy? (not counting backups) Types of e-space: * A directory that is shared on a network. * A GoogleDocs file space. * A server (let's call it 3). * An SD card/USB key. * A (god forbid) floppy disk. - Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: rsync -
-Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Bob Goodwin Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:46 PM To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora. Subject: Re: rsync - snip Yes I suppose those are possibilities but I've used rsync in the past when the transfers were simpler. I just got unison via yum, now to figure out how to use it, there's no man file or documentation that I have found yet? Thanks. Bob According to the website, Official releases of Unison include documentation and source code. Here is the URI: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/download.html Have fun :) - Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Blocking an IP for one user
Hi, My son is getting to that funny age whereby I need to keep certain sites away from him. Is there any way that I can block an IP address or certain keywords from his user settings so that it doesn't matter which browser he uses, he can't access them? For example, I want to block the BBC websites wholesale or anything with the words Microsoft, MSN or Hotmail in the URL - you get the idea - but also an IP range such as 172.168.*.* TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Recalling an email
Hi, I know under LookOut it is possible to do a recall on an email, but can it be done under Ev? TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: new disk layout
-Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of muhammad panji Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 9:14 AM To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora. Subject: Re: new disk layout On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:28 AM, Mick M.off_b...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi; I would like some input on disk partitions. I bought a 1TB sata drive, it works fine, At the moment my system has 3 drives 1 160M IDE and 2 sata 250M and 1TB. The IDE is for XP, as it will not see the SATA drives. I want to remove the IDE drive and install XPx64 on the new drive as a VirtualBox image. I also want to install F11 on that drive. My other SATA drive is F10, I want to leave that alone and dual boot F10/F11. OK - what do you suggest for partitions on this drive? I want to use regular partitions - not the default LVM stuff. I was thinking: 1 /boot ext3 200M 2 swap 82 4G ( I have 2G memory) 2 G of swap is enough http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/docs/DOC-15252 Perhaps you need a BIOS update, if XP will not see your SATA drives. I would recommend LVM, but not the default setting, because you can leave slack space unpartitioned and then extend an existing partition with it, even if it means the resulting partition will occupy noncontiguous space across the drive (or the array, or even iirc on different drives, but I could be mistaken about that). This way when you notice a partition filling up, for example the /home partition, you can just add another hundred GB or so. You can't do that with regular partitions, you would have to go through a lengthy process of unmounting the old partition, creating a new one and mounting it, mounting the old one somewhere 'else', copying/moving all the data over, etc. Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Can I check on remote gpk-update-viewer??
-Original Message- From: fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Beartooth Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 9:22 AM To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Can I check on remote gpk-update-viewer?? I'm the nearest thing there is to tech support for my wife's machine (which, like mine, runs F11) -- downstairs. By running ssh -X instead of plain ssh to it, I can launch gpk- update-viewer on it -- and, if it wants to update something I meant to uninstall, uncheck that before I tell it to do the update. Today, for some reason, when I start, it sits there far longer than it ever does on any other machine, or has in the past on hers -- without reaching completion, and without indicating as usual what it is doing. I can't tell whether it is hung up, or just dead slow for some reason. ps ax shows it, but doesn't tell me much. As root, I see this : [r...@msgv2 ~]# gnome-system-monitor [1] 5043 You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/root [r...@msgv2 ~]# X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. (gnome-system-monitor:5043): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: localhost:11.0 [notice no return to prompt] but, if I hit ^C, the returning prompt shows me still logged into her machine. As user (with my userid, not hers), I see : -bash-4.0$ gnome-system-monitor [1] 5082 X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. (gnome-system-monitor:5082): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: localhost:13.0 -bash-4.0$ [userid gets the prompt back] But, again, I remain logged onto her machine. The practical solution is of course obvious -- get clear off ssh to that machine, go down there, and run the update in the flesh. I probably will. But I do this more or less every day. Over time, if I get it right, it will save both considerable time, and also a lot of superfluous wear and tear on my arthritic knees. Is there a way? Or am I trying to do something (inside my own house, and only over the LAN) that Fedora absolutely blocks because of the use a cracker could make of it over the Net?? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines First, ascertain the nature of your problem (which my guess is whatever authentication you are using has somehow changed in configuration) 'for sure', by going down to the machine and seeing if you can run it locally. I am guessing you will be able to. Second, look into any updates to ssh (particularly related to X forwarding), authentication (probably PAM), and gtk-update-viewer, and anything else you can think of that may have been the victim :) of an update. I have found the two largest proportions of problems to be updates and the ubiquitous PEBKAC. Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Streaming to the TV
Hi, In the UK, we've have a pile of adverts from a company called PC World (sells nasty Vista boxes with no clue about anything much). However, one bit of the advert goes on about streaming wirelessly from the PC to the TV and that its (apparently) really easy to do (I never believe anything from PC World - one guy there claimed Vista is an upgraded version of Linux...) Does anyone know how to do this via a fedora box? TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: from 32 to 64
stan wrote: On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:12:05 +0100 (BST) Patrick Dupre pd...@york.ac.uk wrote: Hello, I do observe abnormal results with my applications Moving from a 32 to 64 bits architecture, using, c, C++, perl, is they something that I should be aware of ? like size of the float, integer ? Yes, in C and C++, shouldn't matter in perl. If you search on 64 bit compatibility you will find articles. There was a post on this list a long time ago about it also. Basically, there are special names that adjust depending on arch size. Some of the type sizes are different between 32-bit and 64-bit architectures, even between different 32-bit architectures. Other types are fixed, no matter what architecture you use. A char, for instance, is always 8 bits or one byte. A Unicode char, if implemented, is 16 bits or two bytes. An int is a natural integer, a.k.a. word, for the CPU architecture, so 8, 16, 32 or 64 bits depending on the CPU. More detail can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_variable_types_and_declarations, among other places. Cheers, -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: headless setup
Bazooka Joe wrote: Hi, I need to configure f11 to redirect output to the serial port. I looked at the inittab which doesn't look like the right file to edit. btw i have run level 3 and no x already. thx bazooka What is your use case? Using a serial console is all but obsolete in most cases today, the exception being embedded applications which Fedora is not exactly the ideal distro for. Cheers, -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: headless setup
Bazooka Joe wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Mikkel L. Ellertsonmik...@infinity-ltd.com wrote: Bazooka Joe wrote: Hi, I need to configure f11 to redirect output to the serial port. I looked at the inittab which doesn't look like the right file to edit. btw i have run level 3 and no x already. thx bazooka You may find this site useful: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO.html Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines that is one hell of a howto the problem is, on fedora the inittab is not standard anymore. the instructions i have say to rem out the tty1 and add ttyS0 but nothing exists like that in fedora - at least i haven't found it. # Run gettys in standard runlevels #1:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty1 #2:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty2 #3:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty3 #4:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty4 #5:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty5 #6:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty6 S0:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty ttyS0 19200 Try this: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/tech-tip-setup-your-linux-server-use-serial-console Note the difference between the serial console lines in each example, and the necessary changes to /boot/grub.conf for monitoring the boot process through the serical console. -- Paul Blonde EnTel Communications Inc Ph: 250-633-5151 TF: 866-633-2644 Fx: 250-633-2677 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: wpa_supplicant craps out under heavy load
Justin P. Mattock wrote: snip I would file a bug, but there probably already is, since this is something I've seen for some time now right! Justin P. Mattock Just do it! 8^D It's worth it, to make sure it gets looked at, whether it's a problem with the wpa implementation, NetworkManager or both. I am guessing both, as NM sucks more than Windows ME, and you have a smaller problem without NM than with, but still a problem regardless. No reports is worse than two reports, and 50 would point out the importance of getting this particular bug fixed. Cheers, -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install pptpd in FC 11?
Mike Cloaked wrote: Tiago Araujo wrote: Dear, I not searching in yum the pptpd?| # yum search pptpd Warning: No matches found for: pptpd No Matches found Try as root yum list available|grep pptp Then you will see which packages are available. Add the repo for pptp-linux: |# rpm -Uvh http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/yum/stable/fc6/pptp-release-current.noarch.rpm # yum --enablerepo=pptp-stable install pptpconfig This package exists in Debian branch but not in RH/Fedora branch | -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: The ideal mail client?
Mike Cloaked wrote: Does anybody have knowledge of an mail client has the most ideal functionality for Fedora? I am currently using Thunderbird as its user interface is comfortable for me, and it has plugins to handle gpg encryption, can sync to caldav calendars (like Yahoo) - but one big downside is that its local storage is in mbox format which is really awful for large collections of mail. I have used Kmail in the past which did have support for maildir format as a big plus, and did support gpg encryption, but it never supported html mail properly which was a big downside - and I don't know if it will sync to caldav calendars? Is there a single mail client that has a nice UI, can support both html mail and maildir format, as well as syncing caldav calendars and support gog encryption? Of course supporting multiple email accounts including imap is essential. Email clients have been a slight irritation for me since I never found one that supports everything that I need in a single application. The best email client in the world is The Bat, unfortunately the daft phools who make it have no concept of multiplatform development, despite the fact that the reason most people who use it do so, is the same reason most people who use Linux do. You can run it in WINE, but not perfectly, so everyone who wants a great email program in Linux go to their website and bug the crap out of them to get off their flowery laurels and get cracking on a Linux version. Cheers, -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Setting up a static IP
Hi, I really should know this one... Setting up a static IP using s-c-network I've set the IP for my box to be 192.168.0.200, put in the subnetmask as 255.255.255.0 and gateway as 192.168.0.1 (address of my router, netstat has this as it's last entry IIRC). netstat -nr reports Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 0 0 eth0 /etc/init.d/network restart does the the network restart and that's it. The network is set fine (/sbin/ifconfig eth0 shows the IP, netmask etc are set correctly), but the outside world is not reachable. How do I set up a static IP which allows access to the outside world? TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Conversion of ext4 to ext3 file system ?
Jay Mistry wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com mailto:pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 12:39 +0530, Jay Mistry wrote: I would like to convert / /home partitions that are ext4 to ext3. Can this be done without loss of data ? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ext4_in_Fedora_11#What_about_backward.2Fforward_compatibility.3F poc -- Ok, backward-incompatible. Thanks, Jay -- Fedora 10, Ubuntu 9.04 (i686) My first thought is that if you are using LVM you can shrink the partitions and create new ext3 partitions, mount them elsewhere (such as /usr/temp1/ and /usr/temp2/), copy the filesystems over from the old partitions (with attributes intact) and then edit your fstab to use the new ext3 partitions instead of the old. After a reboot (or a manual unmount and remount process) you can then delete the old partitions and then resize the new ones to encompass the freed up space. Don't forget to backup first. Heck it might even be easier to just back up the partitions, delete and remake them as ext3, and restore. I'm sure there are other ways, probably easier and cooler from a geekiness perspective to pull off. -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Audacious play/stop/pause continuously while playing mp3 files...
yordy wrote: My particular problem, when I said it play/stop/pause continously, for example: If you add, or you have ten mp3 songs in Audacious playlist and you press Play in some track, Audacious start playing that song and with an interval of one or two seconds pause playing that song, and again, for an interval of one or two seconds continue playing the song, and again pause playing and again continue playing... If you press Stop and then press play again, the problem go off for that song, some times for the rest of song of the list. That problem if not happen always, some times yes and some time no, for example, ten minutes ago I open Audacious and I have added 15 tracks, set it to play random and all go OK until now. But some times is insupportable listen music (mp3) with Audacious. I'm using Fedora 11 (audacious-1.5.1-9.fc11.i586, audacious-plugins-freeworld-mp3-1.5.1-2.fc11.i586) and Audacious output plugin is set to ALSA. Running Exaile for example, this problem is not present, but I don't know if the output plugin is alsa or another. I would try later to play some wma files with Audacious to see if the problem persist here. Greetings Are you using audacious with pulseaudio? You may need to go into the configuration files if so, here is a wiki on a Perfect Setup for pulseaudio: http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup A lot you will not need, i.e.: The zeroconf/avahi section only applies if you are doing networked audio, which most people don't do, they just want this one machine to play media files. Note especially the configuration details for Audacious, as it mentions stuttering problems. -- - Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: HACKED!
gil...@altern.org wrote: Monday, the 10th, my provider was offline once again. Some repairs were needed at Bell/Microsoft's CO. So I thought it was time to write a letter which I had postponed. Two hours later, the service was back and I did some research. When I came back to my text, I saw it was blank except for the date and the recepient's name and address. I closed AbiWord and was asked if I wanted to save the text. Of course, I... didn't, but most newbies would have: man, you've got to save whatever is left of that file! Whatever changes I later made were never saved: the text always came back to the previous version. I had to finish the text offline. Thereafter, it's with video that I had problems. At Radio-Canada/Microsoft, nothing would play. I checked Edit, Prefrences, Applications in Firefox and the settings were all wrong. I closed/restarted Firefox, everything was back to normal. But soon, the list of applications was shortened by half and, for whatever was left, the usual defaults weren't available to select. I even had Windows Media Player for playing Windows Media files! Yesterday, the service was off for close to 24 hours at my ISP: the equipment at Bell/Microsoft's CO was really antiquated and had to be changed. That's after they came to repair my line twice in the last 4 months! You can see that Bell/Microsoft really dig that Linux users don't care about market share: they give top service! So, I desinstalled/installed the MM applications and, after some playing around, everything almost seemed back to normal... with GNOME-MPlayer for playing ASF/WM files by default. For ASX, I believe Amarok was still suggested :) Since it's impossible to see the properties of GNOME-MPlayer -- a default which looks rather weird, since it's supposed to be only an interface to MPlayer --,I chose /usr/bin/mplayer, but I'm still asked to install MPlayer. Does anybody know the PATH to their default application for ASX files? I really want to give that Bell/Microsoft service another try ASAP. I want some of whatever you're on, or maybe even lots of it. -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How Extract The Fedorecore iso cd
Aaron Konstam wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 10:27 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: Aaron Konstam wrote: This is a Fedora List. Why inwstall iso files onto cDs and DVDs using Windows tools. Because many, if not most, people first install Fedora from some other operating system. I doubt if most Fedora users are on their first install. I think I am on my 15th. But no matter, there is no harm discussing the Windows tools but why not at the same time discuss the Linux tools? Because that would be off-topic to the thread. Someone who can't do it from an existing Linux box has no use for a discussion of the Linux tools (at least until they can use them, at which time they may not need them anymore), and someone who can doesn't need info on how to do it on a Windows box. Not that this fact has stopped a lot of people wasting everyone's time and bandwidth with useless comments. Cheers, -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to wake?
Timothy Murphy wrote: My Thinkpad T43 usually wakes from sleep (I assume Suspend to RAM) when I press the power button for a second. But sometimes it does not wake; all I can do is re-boot. I'm wondering what possible keys or combination of keys might do the trick in this case? If it's still alive, the universal any key should work (generally, spacebar works fine too ;p). Otherwise it may be that something has really crapped out. This could be anything from a NIC driver to an application that doesn't like being suspended fouling up, or possibly even going as deep as a chipset issue. Unfortunately this may be the beginning of a long trial and error session diagnosing what is responsible. Cheers, -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Anaconda problem with sata drives
Mick M. wrote: Hi; I have an MSI K9A2 rev 1 motherboard latest BIOS, with Athlon 64x2. This has 4 sata connectors for normal drives and two for raid. I have run win Xpx64, Fedora 9/10 and now 11 on this box just fine. Right now it is running F11 on a sata drive with Xp64 under VirtualBox. OK so Newegg had a sale on Samsung sata drives so I bought 2. I planned to use the raid connectors and run F11 on them. I installed the drives and created a raid 1 in the BIOS. Then I installed F11 with updates onto it. It would not boot. I selected it in the BIOS as first boot, but grub wanted a BIOS disk ID. When the system boots the raid is not shown in the sata/ide first screen. I fought it for a long time and even re-installed. Finally I gave up. I went into the BIOS and cleared the raid so it was JBOD. Then I put the drives onto the normal sata connectors and disabled the raid sata. I was able to fdisk and format both drives just fine. One as data and one for F11 /boot ext3 swap / as ext4. When I try to insstall F11 it cannot see the drive,at the partioning screen. I get an OK box: An error has occurred - no valid devices were found on which to create new file systems. Please check your hardware for the cause of this problem I then installed Mint linux, and F10 to the drive just fine F11 refuses to install. I tried dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda with no change. While the installer is hanging I can Ctl-Alt-F2 and fdisk -l It sees the drive just fine, Ctl-Alt-F^ to the installer and it dies. I have re-installed my working sata drive to post this. Right now I am downloading Fedoro-12 Alpha x64 to see if that will work. Any ideas? Standard guarantee applies - 30 feet or 30 seconds, whichever comes first. iirc the dmraid in F11, or the code in Anaconda for dmraid on F11, has been totally rewritten and is still pretty flaky, especially with sata raid/fakeraid controllers. Not much you can do except try the latest builds, and keep an eye out here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_status_of_open_bugs Personally I said something impolite much too loud for my office environment, then went out and bought a pair of (expensive) Adaptec (real) RAID controllers, which work beautifully. Cheers, -- Paul Blonde EnTel Communications Inc Ph: 250-633-5151 TF: 866-633-2644 Fx: 250-633-2677 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Discussion -- perhaps a trollette -- re: upgrades !
Tim wrote: Tim: I'd imagine that some of /those/ places would run dual computers in control, and one would automatically fallover to the other. You'd need that sort of redundancy so that you could perform repairs. Mikkel L. Ellertson: I don't know about other countries, but in the U.S., they not only have backup computers, but they have backup control rooms for reactors. (In case something happens to the main one, or its control links.) They even have duplicate control runs that take different routes. You'd hope they all worked that way... I've only been inside conventional power stations, one coal/gas fired station in Australia, and another in Britain (that I can't remember how it was fueled). They were certainly memorable occasions. I've never been in any other places that literally hummed like they did. The noise in the air, the building vibrating, you could even feel the outside ground humming below your feet. There's a rumble that permeates everything, even the extremely sound-isolated control rooms. Though the one thing that sticks most in my mind, is that the engineering behind them is just awesome. The generators at Niagara Falls, Ontario are quite impressive. The first plant was designed by Nikola Tesla and was very famous as it was The first great victory of Tesla's Alternating Current Electricity over Thomas Edison's Direct Current. Being near them is almost frightening just from the sheer size of the machinery and noise of 1200 cubic meters (over 42,000 cubic feet) per second of water driving it all. As this is providing 1/4 of all power used in the Province of Ontario and New York State, backup systems for everything are integral to the design. I hope they don't use Windows :) -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Discussion -- perhaps a trollette -- re: upgrades !
Tim wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 11:17 -0700, Paul wrote: Being near them is almost frightening just from the sheer size of the machinery and noise of 1200 cubic meters (over 42,000 cubic feet) per second of water driving it all. There is something somewhat unnerving about standing next to huge generators. Whether it's an awareness of the power being generated, or just the sheer force of what's going on inside the casing you're right next to, I couldn't say. But you sure get the feeling that you should keep your distance and don't touch. You know it's not likely to suddenly shred itself (and you, like a bug in a high speed turbine - oh wait, it IS a high speed turbine), but you also know that it _could_. It's that sense of imminent danger, like peering down at the water between the dock you are standing on and the 35,000 ton battleship moored mere feet away from you, knowing how easily you could become nothing but a stain on the weathered wood. Cheers :) -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How Fedora chose me
Hi, I'm as far from a geek as anybody can be, but I certainly appreciate that Fedora chose me. Using Fedora I've never looked back, it just works. I must say, having been with RedHat since pre version 1 (go bootstrapping!), I've seen many ups and downs in the stability and speed of various releases. Sure, I've tried other distros (Slackware rocks IMHO for really old machines, Mandrake [as was] blew chunks no matter what I did), but my machines are [now] Fedora. For me, it's the only one to use - albeit rawhide has had it's moments... like at one point if yum died during the update due to the machine locking, the next boot would render an almost useless box... I giggle when I hear people shouting about OS X - to me it's BSD with a funky front end. When I show those using Aero under Vista that we've had it for ages and it will run on a 512Mb memory laptop with a 1.3GHz processor they stand amazed. In short, I love linux and more over, love RH/Fedora which is why I'm always happy to spread the word and help whenever I can :-) TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some kernels don't boot from USB disk
Antonio M wrote: I updated a F11 system and now I have four kernels installed...: kernel-PAE-2.6.29.3-155.fc11.i686 kernel-PAE-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i686 kernel-PAE-2.6.30.5-43.fc11.i686 kernel-PAE-2.6.30.6-53.fc11.i686 Only kernels (29) make the system start, while 30 kernels stops at a certain point of booting... I found these lines in dmesg when working: scsi5 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices usb-storage: device found at 3 usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage USB Mass Storage support registered. usb-storage: device scan complete scsi 5:0:0:0: Direct-Access Hitachi HTS541680J9AT00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] 156301488 512-byte hardware sectors: (80.0 GB/74.5 GiB) sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 27 00 00 00 sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] 156301488 512-byte hardware sectors: (80.0 GB/74.5 GiB) sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 27 00 00 00 sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk sd 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 EXT4-fs: barriers enabled kjournald2 starting: pid 88, dev dm-0:8, commit interval 5 seconds EXT4-fs: delayed allocation enabled EXT4-fs: file extents enabled EXT4-fs: mballoc enabled EXT4-fs: mounted filesystem dm-0 with ordered data mode SELinux: Disabled at runtime. SELinux: Unregistering netfilter hooks type=1404 audit(1253663261.664:2): selinux=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 udev: starting version 141 ACPI: WMI: Mapper loaded tg3.c:v3.97 (December 10, 2008) But when system doesn't boot I see last lines on my screen : scsi5 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices usb-storage: device found at 3 usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning usbcore: registered new interface driver cms-cypress USB Mass Storage support registered. usb-storage: device scan complete scsi 5:0:0:0: Direct-Access Hitachi HTS541680J9AT00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] 156301488 512-byte hardware sectors: (80.0 GB/74.5 GiB) sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off I note this big difference: usbcore: registered new interface driver cms-cypress Please note that I have another system with Philips external USB disk running fine Any comment??? It looks as if the newer kernel is recognizing (or perhaps mistakenly recognizing) the actual chip driving the unit, but the driver it has for that chip doesn't work, while the generic usb-storage driver does work with it. You may have to pass a parameter to the boot loader somehow. Cheers, -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 2.6.30.5-43.fc11.x86_64 hang or crash.
gary artim wrote: Hi -- Anyone seeing machine lockup with this kernel? profile: supermicro AS1041-T2 (1u box) 12 AMD 2.4 opterons 48GB memory BIOS is most current I get nothing on the console, last output is: Sep 21 13:51:23 n0 ntpd[2036]: synchronized to 72.52.190.26, stratum 2 Sep 21 14:58:54 n0 ntpd[2036]: synchronized to 140.99.51.114, stratum 2 no oops. I added to ksyslog.conf option for *.kernel, waiting for it to happen. Happened 3x today. attached is lshw output. The box itself is acting flaky, need to turn it on and off sometimes to get a clean start. Ran memcheck -- no errors. stressed system - ping of death, cp /dev/zero /tmp/z , this ran fine once, hung the system/hardware the second time. One note is the system was bought in 10/2007 -- i checked the logs in the bios and didn't see any errors, but did note that of the 3 chips (quad cpus) one had a higher temp then the others 78c vs 22c -- maybe new thermal grease? the system is used round the clock on cpu bound processes that sometime run for weeks. Any advice is greatly appreciated? -- gary 78 vs 22? Yeah, that's where I would start. Thermal paste is cheap. Cheers, -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: latest F11 64-bit Firefox unstable for me
D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | From: Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com | On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 02:57:37AM -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | Oh, while I'm asking, any idea why firefox spews this on the console? | Gtk-Message: Failed to load module gnomebreakpad: libgnomebreakpad.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | I get hundreds of them. | | Darn it, I know I heard an explanation of why this happens, but I've | forgotten it now. Safe to ignore but yes, annoying. Maintainers know | of the problem and are working on it! I fixed this by yum install bug-buddy.i586 Why did I have manually do this -- if this is needed, why didn't the dependency checking give it to me? Why is a 32-bit version needed when I'm using 64-bit FireFox? Must be some plugin that needs it, I guess. Installing this dragged in a whole load of 32-bit packages as dependencies. Before this, crashes have not caused the Mozilla crash reporter http://kb.mozillazine.org/Breakpad to fire up. I wonder if now they will. It's entirely possible that the dependencies weren't set up right, or no 64-bit version exists. It has happened before. -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Live USB from Live CD image?
Germán Racca wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 22:19 +1000, L wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Sharpe, Sam J sam.sharpe+lists.red...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/30 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com: Hi, I saw somewhere a tip how to make LiveUSB when booting from LiveCD image, but now I can't find that reference... I would be really grateful for anyone pointing me in right direction. http://tinyurl.com/yc6ebh3 It basically boils down to: $ livecd-iso-to-disk /dev/live /dev/USBDEVICENAME My choice is unetbootin http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ very easy to use How can I create a persistent memory using unetbootin? Germán. http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Advice for crossgrading from 32 bit F11 to x64 ?
Robin Laing wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 19:29 -0700, Kam Leo wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: I do a lot of photo processing... things like generating 200 jpgs from raw files at one go. My laptop has 4GB of RAM but is currently only using 3GB because I am running a 32 bit kernel. uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.30.8-64.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Fri Sep 25 04:30:19 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux Sooner or later I want to upgrade to a 64 bit kernel and 8 GB of RAM. Other than this article, I can't find any information on the subject. http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/123800 I am looking to do the upgrade WITHOUT reinstalling Fedora. I've done enough re installations in the past to know that I don't want to go there. Has anyone done crossgraded from 32 to 64 bit ? What advice do you have to offer ? Have you really done enough upgrades? I think not. If you did, you would know that the best advice is to back up your files and perform a clean install. No, that is NOT the best choice. I've re installed clean more than 4x and its a BIG pain setting things up again. I have a lot of software installed and not all of it is a simple yum command, ie custom versions of Eclipse, java, etc. Just like we shouldn't be telling everyone to do a 'yum clean all' when its not necessary, nor should we be telling people to reinstall. Going fully 64bit will require all these custom applications to be re-installed anyways. The configuration files should work though. Kill two things at once and wait until F12 comes out and then install it. Time wise, it could be quicker to do a clean install and re-configure than trying to clean the upgrade. I am now setting up a configuration directory that keeps a backup of all the locally configured files on my machine when I do an install or upgrade as an upgrade may toast the configuration files as well. Not just reinstalled, but recompiled, maked (sp?), installed and tested. Linuxguy123, take Robin's advice and wait for Fedora 12 to switch to 64-bit. Alternatively, you can switch to using a PAE kernel, but I believe that also requires a rebuild of each application. It will, however, provide you with access to your full 4GB without having to go to 64-bit (some applications simply don't work uder 64-bit, no matter whether you recompile from scratch). -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: easiest way to replace hard drive?
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On 10/08/2009 10:31 AM, Konstantin Svist wrote: On 10/08/2009 09:48 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: Hi all, Is there an easy way to transfer a system from one drive (holding boot, swap, lvm partitions, in the default F11 layout) to a different hard drive, if the new drive is smaller? If the new drive is larger, dd could be used in a fairly straightforward way. However, I want to try replacing a 160 GB hard drive with an Intel 80 GB solid-state drive, just for fun... I suspect a re-install might be easier. - Mike gparted (or qtparted) will do what you want. I don't remember if it can resize the partitions as you copy them, but in the worst case you can resize first then copy. or you can use cp -a to copy over all necessary files and run grub-install to restore the grub boot loader if it's installed in MBR (default) There is a potential problem when using partition resizing - it can mess up the partition tables and render the drive unbootable - need to be careful here, as it bit me in the a..! FWIW, Dan Your easiest option might simply be a bare metal backup and restore, backing up from the old drive and restoring to the new. This also may work, but I am pretty sure I am missing at least one important thing that hopefully someone else will point out so that you can use this method: * Set up the drive ahead of time with the same partitions as your existing one, greater than or equal to the existing size of each partition. You may encounter problems if you are going to make any new partition smaller, even if the new one is still large enough to hold all of the data. * Do as Konstantin suggested above to copy the files over and then make GRUB set itself up to hopefully boot the system for you off the new drive. This is off the top of my head so unless you know what you're doing, I wouldn't recommend trying it until a few people have ripped it to pieces and corrected whatever flaws I have missed or inadvertently inserted. No warranties express or implied, and I am not responsible if you foobar your system trying this, etc. etc. -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can ISPs be trusted?
gil...@altern.org wrote: Most people trust their ISP, and rightly so, I suppose. But what if an ISP was a vilain? :) What kind of access would it have to its users' computers? Isn't it the same as a client connected to a server? The server being root, it has full access to the client. Of course, the ISP doesn't have the password of the client's computer, but it transmits data back and forth to its users' computers all day long. If suppose this is a rather basic networking question, but given my knowledge on the matter, I have a hard time figuring this out. You are only a client to the ISP in a business sense, the same as with a lawyer, doctor, plumber or other professional. You do not operate in a client/server model, unless you use AOhelL and their modified browser. If you have adequate security, your ISP should have no better access to your system/data than any other nefarious twerp on de intertubes. Actually even if you don't have security, your ISP has no better (or worse) access than the twerp. Number one rule: Don't trust anyone, not even if you know he is your best buddy next door. Even if you are on the phone with him at the same time, it could be an alien who just ate him and is impersonating his voice ;p . Hell I don't even trust myself on the net. Basic practices: If you run Windoze, use antimalware (firewall, antivirus, antispyware, antirootkit, antiyomama, the whole kitchen sink). Even on a Linux, Mac, other box, use a firewall. iptables is good, there are some good configs and tutorials at iptablesrocks.org Encrypt everything you can. Set up a public key using OpenPGP and get the people you correspond with to install your public key so they can read your emails, and to use your public key to encrypt emails to you. Obviously this won't work with lists like this one. Never run as root except when you need to in order to install something or perform other administrative tasks. There are other measures you can take, just look around the web and haunt security sites/lists. Cheers, -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can ISPs be trusted?
Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: On 10/09/2009 02:55 PM, gil...@altern.org wrote: Paul wrote: If you have adequate security, your ISP should have no better access to your system/data than any other nefarious twerp on de intertubes. Actually even if you don't have security, your ISP has no better (or worse) access than the twerp. Then, I'm afraid Fedora's security is not as tight as it's supposed to be. See my answer to Phil Meyer. I would say that Paul's response is not correct. Since the ISP is directly in the route of your data they can intercept it and manipulate it. ISPs, for example, may cache popular web sites, or deliberately disrupt BitTorrent transmissions at certain hours to reduce bandwidth requirements. This sort of management is probably common, and not generally malicious. ISPs could in theory run something like Wireshark to read your unencrypted email. (Or they can slurp it all up and send it to the NSA... read about the famous secret room lawsuits for more...) Since they are in the routing path, they could conceivably even rewrite your email. A malicious employee at an ISP could launch any number of man-in-the-middle (MITM) attacks. It is not difficult to set up a SSL MITM attack that will intercept and falsify SSL certificates - causing an obscure warning in your browser that most people will just ignore. (This is an issue at wireless cafes). The average nefarious twerp on de intertubes would not be able to do these particular things. Anyway, it is unlikely that your ISP is messing with you (has such a case ever been reported?), but it is technically possible. - Mike Anyone can intercept and manipulate your data at any point along its route to or from the destination. The ISP happens to be the nearest point to you which can do this. The ISP's uplink (i.e.: the ISP's ISP) can also do this, right on up the line to the national carrier. Anyone on any network segment along the line could also manage this if the routers were inadequately protected from mischief, and most are not protected at all. It wasn't long ago that a serious flaw in Cisco's IOS threatened 60% of the Internet's infrastructure, as any script kiddie could run the tools spread around on the cracking boards which would break into and reprogram them almost effortlessly. I work at a smaller ISP, and we are being extremely careful about our use of diagnostic tools like wireshark, ntop, nmap, snort, etc. so that we don't get into trouble. If you suspect that your ISP is doing something, you should get in touch with the cybercrime division of your local law enforcement agency, or go to whatever level you deem appropriate. At some level you will find someone experienced and knowledgeable enough to determine what is happening and possibly who is actually doing it, as it may not even be the ISP. As for Fedora's security (which is not the subject of the original post), it is as secure as you make it, and certainly better than that other big-name OS. If you install it with SELinux and the netfilter/iptables firewall enabled, you've already won half the battle. You can find information about netfilter at iptablesrocks.org, and there is also ebtables for layer 2 protection. For maximum security, you can start with the Centre for Internet Security's benchmark scripts to lock down many things that are not done by default on most *NIX distros, which includes Fedora, RHEL, Ubuntu, Debian and just about every other one you can name except for OpenBSD. Install OpenPGP and (if you use Thunderbird) enigmail and learn how to use it well. Then trawl a few security sites and see what else you can pick up. Just remember that Linux is a do-it-yourself OS primarily, so if you want it to be paranoia-level secure, you have to be willing to put in a little effort. Cheers, -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: should I go for 64bit version of Fedora 11 ?
Aioanei Rares wrote: On 11/03/2009 09:38 AM, Jatin K wrote: Dear all I've purchased a new Dell laptop Vostro 1520, major configuration[1] , My question is should I go for FC 11 64bit version ? is there any significant benefit if I use 64bit version ? [1] Model :- Dell Vostro 1520 P-series Processor:-Intel Core 2 Duo 2.53 P8700 1066Mhz FSB ( Intel VT enabled ) RAM :- 3GB DDR2 800Mhz Graphics :-Mobile Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator X4500M Yes, you should go for 64-bit if your hardware supports it, because only a 64-bit kernel will use that hardware at its full capacities. Google is your friend. It will not make all that much of a difference on a laptop with 3GB of RAM. The real questioin these days is why should I not run 64-bit? according to this ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=368607 ) article which is a very good treatise on 32/64-bit. Some software is simply not supported on 64-bit, and takes a lot of work to get functioning. Having only 3GB of RAM, you do not *need* 64-bit, and you will not benefit from the larger addressable space. I would go 32-bit with that particular computer, but that is only a personal preference. I use 32-bit operating systems (Linux and Windows 7) on my laptop and 64-bit on my tower, simply because the laptop only has 4GB (3372MB usable but not a big deal to me) and the tower has 8GB (and runs 3D rendering software frequently). Cheers, -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to run a php script which contains a pdf
Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Sat, 2009-10-31 at 21:29 +0100, Athmane Madjoudj wrote: On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Nigel Henry cave.dnb2m9...@aliceadsl.fr wrote: I was trying to read an online tool catalogue, and noticed a PDF button at the bottom of the webpage. Clicked on it, and it opened the dialog box to download. What has been downloaded though is a .php script (27.3MB). The properties shows that it contains a pdf document, but I've no idea how to run it, open it, or whatever needs to be done, to get to see the PDF. Any suggestions folks. Try to rename it: mv FILE_NAME.php FILE_NAME.pdf and open it with Evince Athmane Madjoudj No need to rename it, just run $ evince FILE_NAME.php Of course $ file FILE_NAME.php will always give you a reasonable guess about what the file format really is. jon What you may have is a PHP page that contains a link to, or an embedded, PDF document. Open the file with a text editor and see if you get PHP code. If you do, then just extract the PDF or the link. If you can't read it, you may just have a PDF file with the wrong extension and just have to rename it. If the renamed file does not open with a PDF reader, you probably have a compiled PHP file (used to secure PHP pages as it purportedly prevents people from pilfering PHP products deep breath). In this case you will have to view the file in a browser and hope it doesn't contain anything malicious. Do it as an unprivileged user to be safe. Cheers, -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: should I go for 64bit version of Fedora 11 ?
James Wilkinson wrote: I wrote: I’d also advise the Original Poster to consider whether he might ever upgrade this laptop. Jatin K wrote: Not in near future as I got it just before 4 days But are you prepared to say “never”? Upgrades from 32 bit to 64 bit aren’t supported, and are considerably harder than a normal upgrade. If you go 32 bit now, you’ll have to do a reinstall to go 64 bit. James. That depends on a number of factors, such as whether his laptop can even handle more than 4GB of RAM, which most (with notable exceptions) pre-i5 laptops cannot do. If he were wanting to use F11 on an 8GB XPS workstation with CAD class graphics running Lightwave then I would say 64-bit hands down. If he were wanting to install on a tower that had more upgrade potential then there would be a case for it. As it stands there's not a whole lot of benefit to running 64-bit on a laptop, and there really won't be until 64-bit code becomes the standard and 32-bit code starts to lag behind in updates, or not to be produced at all for many packages, by which time I expect F14 or higher to be out. Cheers, -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Recent kernels don't play well with suspend-to-disk
Linuxguy123 wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 16:48 -0800, Geoffrey Leach wrote: Kernels since kernel-PAE-2.6.30.5-43.fc11.i686 up to and incuding kernel-PAE-2.6.30.9-96.fc11.i686 seem to have a problem with suspend- to-disk. Why do I say this? Two behaviors. First, up until the most recent kernel, I get non-fatal kernel errors that resulted in a spew of error messages to each active terminal window, sometimes accompanied by a notice that kerneloops has sent off a report. This, of course, after one or more resume-from-disk. Reboot cures the problem temporarliy. The most recent kernel failed toresume-from-disk in the boot process, freezing up with a bunch of page fault errors. (Yes, I know I shoud have copied/saved all of this). The only variable here appears to be the kernel rebooting with 2.6.30.5-43 makes the problem vanish. Obviosuly there's not enough here to debug the problem. The fact that its not going away suggests that the kerneloops reports are insufficient. So, (a) anyone else having the problem? (b) suggestions for gathering enough data to make a Bugzilla report worthwhile? ASUS Z84F w/ Intel Core 2 Duo T5500, 1666 MHz, INTEL 945GM chipset, AET760SD00-30DA98Z 2x1 GB DDR2-667 DDR2 SDRAM, Seagate Momentus 7200.1 series ST910021A I have the same problem with suspend to RAM. I am running a PAE kernel too. I never use suspend to disk. LG Is this only with PAE kernels? I have not noticed this with 64-bit kernels on a Dell Inspiron 9400 laptop, Core 2 Duo, ATI Mobility X1400, WD 250 GB SATA, 4GB Kingston DDR2-667. -- Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: help
Hi, we at work have some PC's with 256 MB RAM, the graphical mode doesn't load, so we choice the text mode, but in all machines we get the same error, Anaconda 12.47 Which version of Fedora are you using and what is the video card in the machines? TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora Insight schedule slip: new launch date 10/14
Hi, Anyone keen on being the temporary FI editor (obtain material and publish it at what you reckon is a good pace - the workflow Robyn came up with is wonderfully simple) until, say, FUDCon when we can figure out a more stable scheduling/distribution of responsibilities? (News team: is this something you'd like to do, since you're already doing it every weekend for FWN?) I'll do that :-) Let me know what has to be done and done it shall be! TTFN Paul -- Sie können mich aufreizen und wirklich heiß machen! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Fedora Core 4 Update: yaboot-1.3.12-10
- Fedora Update Notification FEDORA-2005-692 2005-08-04 - Product : Fedora Core 4 Name: yaboot Version : 1.3.12 Release : 10 Summary : Linux bootloader for Power Macintosh New World computers. Description : yaboot is a bootloader for PowerPC machines which works on New World ROM machines (Rev. A iMac and newer) and runs directly from Open Firmware, eliminating the need for Mac OS. - Update Information: Kernels later than 1.3.12-mm1 no longer provide symlinks in /proc/device-tree. Yaboot's ofpath binary had a check for BootX that would error in such a case, this update eliminates that check so ofpath continues to work on FC4 kernel updates. Impact is minimal as ofpath is not required to be run after the initial install. - * Thu Aug 4 2005 Paul Nasrat [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 1.3.12-10 - Fix ofpath for 2.6.12-mm1 and later - This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/4/ ae803bca2df088183f8d6a07c200789a SRPMS/yaboot-1.3.12-10.src.rpm 87814fba0aa5bb1ecadb53eae6b7e5bb ppc/yaboot-1.3.12-10.ppc.rpm 9df0ddc59eb5a19f8c381c4075981269 ppc/debug/yaboot-debuginfo-1.3.12-10.ppc.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. - -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list
Fedora Core 4 Update: rpm-4.4.1-23
- Fedora Update Notification FEDORA-2006-248 2006-03-30 - Product : Fedora Core 4 Name: rpm Version : 4.4.1 Release : 23 Summary : The RPM package management system. Description : The RPM Package Manager (RPM) is a powerful command line driven package management system capable of installing, uninstalling, verifying, querying, and updating software packages. Each software package consists of an archive of files along with information about the package like its version, a description, etc. - Update Information: This update fixes an issue with a double free experienced in verification with matchpathcon. - * Wed Mar 29 2006 Paul Nasrat [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 4.4.1-23 - Makefile fix db3 param - Fix selinux verification - This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/4/ d45ca62b93147f6d9f72158cfd3e7873c952ff44 SRPMS/rpm-4.4.1-23.src.rpm dc4f28011f63caceace1477709f4f3026e6328a2 ppc/rpm-4.4.1-23.ppc.rpm 7ad4f27099729b6711ce75b023cc8fb13f714209 ppc/rpm-libs-4.4.1-23.ppc.rpm 4517cef2d17665fde959d53bc81bd7ac8f7be86a ppc/rpm-devel-4.4.1-23.ppc.rpm f9d11f246e8873a8bf8a1947da7652760fe2309c ppc/rpm-build-4.4.1-23.ppc.rpm 7ba89b33b051185723745824a6842a63ff732f50 ppc/rpm-python-4.4.1-23.ppc.rpm 34b3ece96906217bbe160672cc5336e4b339368a ppc/popt-1.10.1-23.ppc.rpm a72add44c80b76243f2fac2f1617f0bd60d433ab ppc/debug/rpm-debuginfo-4.4.1-23.ppc.rpm 63e2189b0bb5c6e419c510632602fdedea8fab40 x86_64/rpm-4.4.1-23.x86_64.rpm 9a8812a880a8e339e6db837db8af077ff1cc80c6 x86_64/rpm-libs-4.4.1-23.x86_64.rpm 8a70f4648fee4fd3680898b7956a047b0c32e14e x86_64/rpm-devel-4.4.1-23.x86_64.rpm 07bd6568282ff6f477da50c4b75025484d22500f x86_64/rpm-build-4.4.1-23.x86_64.rpm 9ee4739aba132ed89ae1cb8c369d3d8be440c801 x86_64/rpm-python-4.4.1-23.x86_64.rpm ea19016ad8c2cc28cfdcb750af11165b46e723bd x86_64/popt-1.10.1-23.x86_64.rpm 54f482be0d120e6bdda1fe72de6895a23315978b x86_64/debug/rpm-debuginfo-4.4.1-23.x86_64.rpm 779dd592d408141f9a8d820a1533d4fb597c6fb3 i386/rpm-4.4.1-23.i386.rpm 53a1602031f235d2ad09412674d83dfda8f696ce i386/rpm-libs-4.4.1-23.i386.rpm f5ca12729dff30e2505ec3cd144184e7646cd96d i386/rpm-devel-4.4.1-23.i386.rpm 501099e0dd0698ecf52f1a25cef834475d0463f5 i386/rpm-build-4.4.1-23.i386.rpm 85422a9a8a1d65ec5c6fd46dad50d578b02608ea i386/rpm-python-4.4.1-23.i386.rpm 6fd8590d3e3f7cac92a5de344c45c3e7843c5b1d i386/popt-1.10.1-23.i386.rpm 96661ff38d7fc0f722d8ed7f556255fe8f33f2fe i386/debug/rpm-debuginfo-4.4.1-23.i386.rpm This update can be installed with the 'yum' update program. Use 'yum update package-name' at the command line. For more information, refer to 'Managing Software with yum,' available at http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/yum/. - -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list
Fedora Board IRC meeting 1900 UTC 2008-12-02
The Board is holding its monthly public meeting on Tuesday, 2 December 2008, at 1900 UTC on IRC Freenode. The Board has settled on a schedule that puts these public IRC meetings on the first Tuesday of each month. Therefore, the next following public meeting will be on 6 January 2008. For these meetings, the public is invited to do the following: * Join #fedora-board-meeting to see the Board's conversation. This channel is read-only for non-Board members. * Join #fedora-board-public to discuss topics and post questions. This channel is read/write for everyone. The moderator will direct questions from the #fedora-board-public channel to the Board members at #fedora-board-meeting. This should limit confusion and ensure our logs are useful to everyone. We look forward to seeing you at the meeting. Paul -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list
Re: Reminder: Fedora Board IRC meeting 1900 UTC 2009-02-03
** Changed subject line to reflect proper date. ** On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: The Board is holding its monthly public meeting on Tuesday, 3 February 2009, at 1900 UTC on IRC Freenode. The Board has settled on a schedule that puts these public IRC meetings on the first Tuesday of each month. Therefore, the next following public meeting will be on 3 March 2009. For these meetings, the public is invited to do the following: * Join #fedora-board-meeting to see the Board's conversation. This channel is read-only for non-Board members. * Join #fedora-board-public to discuss topics and post questions. This channel is read/write for everyone. The moderator will direct questions from the #fedora-board-public channel to the Board members at #fedora-board-meeting. This should limit confusion and ensure our logs are useful to everyone. We look forward to seeing you at the meeting. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list
Board appointment
I am pleased to announce that Christopher Aillon will continue in his appointed seat on the Fedora Project Board for this cycle. His term will last until the selection process following the release of Fedora 14, in accordance with the Board's established succession planning. Christopher's presence on the Board has helped our discussions on a number of subjects over the past year, and I look forward to having him continue that relationship. Apologies for making this announcement slightly after the beginning of elections, due to the schedule change of elections and the intervening FUDCon activity. The remaining Board appointment will be made after the close of the Board elections. -- Paul W. Frields -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list
RE: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 22, Issue 42
Hi all, I have been signed up to help for some time, but never did find out who to email and such so I hope no one minds me throwing in a hello here. My name is Paul and I don't really know where to begin. For one, I don't have Fedora right now since my hard drive took a powder and Fedora with it. Anyway, I do a lot of graphics with Gimp and have had numerous jobs, won contests, and even offered a teaching job at our local college to teach Graphics with Gimp. So, being I would like to help out in any way I can, if there is anything, opinion, CG work, etc... that I can do, I would be glad to help. Thanks all, Paul From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 22, Issue 42 To: fedora-art-list@redhat.com Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:22:22 -0500 Send Fedora-art-list mailing list submissions to fedora-art-list@redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Fedora-art-list digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork (Valent Turkovic) 2. Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork (Valent Turkovic) 3. Re: Echo: package-x-generic attempt 10 (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) 4. Re: [Echo] set of Multimedia-volume-control icons (Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek) 5. Re: [Echo] set of Multimedia-volume-control icons (Luya Tshimbalanga) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:24:34 +0100 From: Valent Turkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork To: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Martin Sourada wrote: On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 17:49 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: Steven Garrity wrote: Please look these two screenshots: http://bayimg.com/MAIAIaaBLhttp://bayimg.com/MAiagaABL One is FC6 and other is F8. Can you make the difference. The differences are subtle, too subtle and too bland IMHO. I would love to see Fedora 9 get the gtk theme it deserves. So slowing down design really sound bad to me. Valent. I saw these two quite long quite a long ago and you were told, that the difference is obvious, though subtle. As for the Fedora 9 gtk theme. So far this [1] seems what will be in Fedora 9, although there is still room for improvement. But why don't you come up with something awesome yourself? We are all doing our best while you seem to just rant about how things would be better. Because I have no actual creative talent but as I said in my email I have an critic eye and I have been volonteering as a critic for my friends and family for over 10 years - they are photographers, designers, 3d modelers and artists and I'm really respected for my constructive criticism. I can't create a new gtk theme but I can say to you if one sucks or or if it rocks. You can look for yourself for some ideas: http://browse.deviantart.com/customization/skins/linuxutil/gnome/gtk2/?order=9alltime=yes http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=downpage=0xcontentmode=100 There are lots of great themes. I don't work for fedora ArtTeam but I'm a long time fedora desktop user and I would love to see some improvements in how fedora looks. I know that lot of people work hard and I really appreciate it, and I have seen what great designs they have done ( -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/attachments/20080113/3a6cc0be/attachment.html -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:58:31 +0100 From: Valent Turkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork To: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Máirín Duffy wrote: Hi Valent, Valent Turkovic wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Whenever we try anything that is !blue, we get a whole lot of negative feedback. People like to look at the colors far more symbolically than they should I think. ~m I don't like opensuse in particular but they have made a break from blue in latest release - now its green, and it looks great! I would love to see Fedora !blue for at least one release - it would be refreshing. Everyone has their own personal tastes and opinions on the artwork. Unfortunately, only a very small percentage
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William Jon McCann wrote: It is not often fun to be told that your work is not good enough or inappropriate. It seems you've hijacked a thread about sound themes to indirectly allude that the art team's work is not good enough or appropriate. If you do believe this, it would be better to give direct feedback rather than beat around the bush. Specific critiques about the Fedora 10 artwork, which I think exceeds the F9 artwork by far, would be greatly appreciated. Also, please consider that we have a number of non-native English speakers here who might not necessarily pick up on the nuances of your message. [...snip...] The Artwork team has always been open, in my experience, to criticism and suggestions about artwork. They exemplify the way Fedora teams work openly and transparently in a cooperative effort. And they've consistently turned out designs that are always solid, and often spectacular, not just for the desktop but for a variety of other uses too. We can absolutely have dissension and discussion about artwork and design -- with specifics about what needs work. At the end of the day, the Fedora Artwork team has been charged with the responsibility of the look and feel of Fedora. They're expected to do -- and have done -- that work in a community-friendly way, and people who want to have input into the process should do the same. Paul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: four f's poster designs
On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 23:19 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Mairin Duffy wrote: Hey folks, I put together some designs for the four f's posters. They are *very* different than our infinity freedom community ones. Because they are such a departure (a lot less shiny) and a little weird, I won't be broken-hearted if you hate them, just let me know. I designed them so you could use any of them alone, or you can use them together and connect them to make an even bigger poster. They are also designed so they are more of a backdrop than a main event. Influences include sari fabric (do you see it?), Red Hat's website background, and quilts! You'll see what I mean when you look at them, I think/hope. Shame on me, I forgot to note that the 'first' and 'features' icons were designed by Nicu Buculei [1,2], so thanks Nicu! :) That goes for me too. Great work Nicu, you have helped create something truly fantastic IMHO. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Introduction
Hi All, I'm an advanced hobbyist with lots of GIMP and Photoshop experience. Cheers! Paul___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Just an FYI concerning the beta artwork
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: I'm much less impressed with the beta background though. IMO it is really overloaded with all too well-known motifs, to the extent that it appears almost like a satire of a constructed background image. I mean, it has clouds and mountains and doves and a black forest and a green lawn _and_ a greek temple. Any 2 out of these 6 might combine to a nice background, but all six are just too much for my taste. The aim this type, AIUI, was to have a background more like a natural picture. It would have been great to have a photo of a real landscape from Greece, perhaps, but in the absence people worked on a photomanip using free sources. I think this background is not too dissimilar from the Fedora 7 background of clouds, sunset, mist, and a set of balloons. I liked the previous releases' concentration on a motif as opposed to a more realistic scene, but I also like the idea of having new directions now and then. Paul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Different Wacom question
A previous thread reminded me to bring this up. I want to buy a drawing tablet, preferably something very well supported in Fedora and using USB. I'm assuming Wacom is the way to go, but I'm not sure which model to get, and I'm open minded as long as I know it's solid and works well with Fedora. I don't want to spend a fortune, but it's OK if something goes into low three-digits (USD $), let's say US $250 or less. What does the Artwork team recommend? Paul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
