Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten
Hi Gloria, Just an FYI, Nutrived is better than Pet Tinic, it has the folic acid needed in blood building and Pet Tinic doesn't. Vit B, Iron and Folic acid are needed to biuld blood. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten
Gary, I am sorry to hear that! Gray Kitty had his second blood transusion last week. We know we can not sustain him this way, but we are trying to buy time. His Hematocrit went down to 9 when he was first diagnosed. He had the first transfusion and it ended up going in the normal range of 35. He then dipped back down to 18 and then 15. At that time, he had a second transfusion and he has gone back up to 35 again. We are currently working with a doctor in Michigan, who has done bone marrow transplants in cats. We are hoping to help future cats with this illness. There is an anemia group as well? How do I get to that one too? I will keep you and your kitty in my prayers. It is just so heartbreaking! From: gcru...@centurytel.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:38:55 -0600 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten One of my FeLV cats is very anemic now and her anemia just hasn't responded to treatment, I will lose her this week as she has now refused to let me syringe feed her anymore, she has always been very good about it and about taking meds and now wants no part of it. There are many things you can try to get the anemia reversed, Epogen as previously mentioned, Immunoregulin, etc., but you may need a transfusion to give them time to work. Unfortunately, for my baby the transfusion didn't seem to do much good at all and her numbers just keep going down. One of my first FeLV kittens had the same problem with his back legs, over a period of a couple of days they just stopped working and he couldn't pee. Tried a lot of different things but never got better and I never found out what caused it, please post if your vet finds out the cause. You might want to join the anemia group on yahoo. Gary - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kittenOne of our FelV kittens is very anemic. Has anyone ever tried iron suppliments? We went back to the vet yesterday, and got her vitamins and iron, and hope this will buy her a bit more time. She is 8 months old and only weighs 3 1/2 pounds. She didn't actually lose the weight, she just never gained anymore weight than that, as she is also a small cat. She recently lost control of her back legs and the vet isn't sure this is caused by the FelV. He thinks it may be a neurological thing.. This happened suddenly about a week ago. First she was wobbly and then she got so she couldn't stand at all, and also lost control of her bladder and bowels. She is still eating and does not seem to be in any pain. Otherwise I'd put her to sleep. She is my daughter's favorite cat, and she doesn't want to do this unless the cat is in distress. I just wondered if any of you had ever seen this lose of mobility in a FelV cat? Advice please. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3698 (20081217) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten
I concur with treating for hemabart even if the test was negative. That is how Junior was treated and he lived another year and a half. He tested negative as well but the vet treated as if he was positive for hemabartenella. I will be praying for kitty. Gary I am so sorry to hear things are not going well. You are a wonderful person to have taken on these babies. I know they give so much. Hugs Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon use?
There are different approaches to using oral interferon, which I understand is produced naturally by the body. One theory I know of, is that FELV kitties may be low in interferon and need daily supplementation, not 7 on/off (or 3 on/off). I think the on/off approach is because they think it encourages the kitty to make his/her own interferon in the off days. Im not sure why they choose 3 days or 7 days. I have usually done ONLY the daily supplementation, although this fall I've been missed a day every now and then. I also don't supplement the older cats (my 2 that are over 10), just the younger ones (age 1-5) Tally, who used to be on this list a number of years ago, has some web pages on interferon - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/ THis one is also of interest - http://www.tamlincat.com/faq.html Gloria On Dec 17, 2008, at 7:52 AM, Christy Buchin wrote: My Gray Kitty just started Interferon with good results. He completed the first 7 days with no problems. However, he has been off it now for the second day and this morning he vomitted many times. I was worried about it and may take him to the doctor. From: souther...@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:34:46 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon use? When I first took General to the vet I use now, the vet started him on interferon, liquid, 7 days on and 7 days off. I did that for a long time but since he's been having all these tummy problems, it seems that when I give it to him now he vomits that day. Are you folks on interferon? have you had any issues with it? Sidney and the General ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp;icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0010 ) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon use?
My Gray Kitty just started Interferon with good results. He completed the first 7 days with no problems. However, he has been off it now for the second day and this morning he vomitted many times. I was worried about it and may take him to the doctor. From: souther...@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:34:46 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon use? When I first took General to the vet I use now, the vet started him on interferon, liquid, 7 days on and 7 days off. I did that for a long time but since he's been having all these tummy problems, it seems that when I give it to him now he vomits that day. Are you folks on interferon? have you had any issues with it? Sidney and the General ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp;icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten
Has the vet put her on Doxoxycline, hemobartonella is a very common cause of anemia and positives get it frequently. Doxy will help get rid of it and if she doesn't have it won't hurt her but if she does, she will die if it isn't treated and the doxy may just save her life. Has she even been tested for hemo and if so did your vet let you know it is extremely difficult to get a correct test result for it, many cats test negative even thought they are positive and any good vet would almost automatically treat a positive for it if they are anemic to be on the safe side. What does the vet say is causing the anemia? If he said the FeLV is causing it, run and find a new vet, anemia is NOT a symptom of FeLV, there are causes for it and you have to find the cause and treat it if that is possible, but just because a cat is positive doesn't mean it will get anemia and die, though you would never know if you talk to some vets. Many vets are not very interactive when it comes to treating sick positives because they don't think they should be allowed to live anyway, so when they do get sick they blame whatever it is on the FeLV. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten
Lorrie, this happened to my Shadow (felv neg) and we took him to Missouri University at Columbia. they did a n and found a tumor on his spine. he was 18 and in severe pain, so i couldn't justify keeping him alinve and in pain so put to sleep. have your vet check for tumors, since he is young, could be if it is a tumor, could do something about it. dorlis Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: One of our FelV kittens is very anemic. Has anyone ever tried iron suppliments? We went back to the vet yesterday, and got her vitamins and iron, and hope this will buy her a bit more time. She is 8 months old and only weighs 3 1/2 pounds. She didn't actually lose the weight, she just never gained anymore weight than that, as she is also a small cat. She recently lost control of her back legs and the vet isn't sure this is caused by the FelV. He thinks it may be a neurological thing.. This happened suddenly about a week ago. First she was wobbly and then she got so she couldn't stand at all, and also lost control of her bladder and bowels. She is still eating and does not seem to be in any pain. Otherwise I'd put her to sleep. She is my daughter's favorite cat, and she doesn't want to do this unless the cat is in distress. I just wondered if any of you had ever seen this lose of mobility in a FelV cat? Advice please. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten
I use PetTinic as a supplement. That's what I used with my last anemic cat, who was also on doxycycline. I think you have to be careful with iron supplements, use as directed by the vet. Best of luck with your 8 mo old baby! Gloria On Dec 17, 2008, at 6:32 AM, Lorrie wrote: One of our FelV kittens is very anemic. Has anyone ever tried iron suppliments? We went back to the vet yesterday, and got her vitamins and iron, and hope this will buy her a bit more time. She is 8 months old and only weighs 3 1/2 pounds. She didn't actually lose the weight, she just never gained anymore weight than that, as she is also a small cat. She recently lost control of her back legs and the vet isn't sure this is caused by the FelV. He thinks it may be a neurological thing.. This happened suddenly about a week ago. First she was wobbly and then she got so she couldn't stand at all, and also lost control of her bladder and bowels. She is still eating and does not seem to be in any pain. Otherwise I'd put her to sleep. She is my daughter's favorite cat, and she doesn't want to do this unless the cat is in distress. I just wondered if any of you had ever seen this lose of mobility in a FelV cat? Advice please. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten
Lorrie and Gary -- I have no practical advice here, just vibes coming for both these babies. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten One of my FeLV cats is very anemic now and her anemia just hasn't responded to treatment, I will lose her this week as she has now refused to let me syringe feed her anymore, she has always been very good about it and about taking meds and now wants no part of it. There are many things you can try to get the anemia reversed, Epogen as previously mentioned, Immunoregulin, etc., but you may need a transfusion to give them time to work. Unfortunately, for my baby the transfusion didn't seem to do much good at all and her numbers just keep going down. One of my first FeLV kittens had the same problem with his back legs, over a period of a couple of days they just stopped working and he couldn't pee. Tried a lot of different things but never got better and I never found out what caused it, please post if your vet finds out the cause. You might want to join the anemia group on yahoo. Gary - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten One of our FelV kittens is very anemic. Has anyone ever tried iron suppliments? We went back to the vet yesterday, and got her vitamins and iron, and hope this will buy her a bit more time. She is 8 months old and only weighs 3 1/2 pounds. She didn't actually lose the weight, she just never gained anymore weight than that, as she is also a small cat. She recently lost control of her back legs and the vet isn't sure this is caused by the FelV. He thinks it may be a neurological thing.. This happened suddenly about a week ago. First she was wobbly and then she got so she couldn't stand at all, and also lost control of her bladder and bowels. She is still eating and does not seem to be in any pain. Otherwise I'd put her to sleep. She is my daughter's favorite cat, and she doesn't want to do this unless the cat is in distress. I just wondered if any of you had ever seen this lose of mobility in a FelV cat? Advice please. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3698 (20081217) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten
One of my FeLV cats is very anemic now and her anemia just hasn't responded to treatment, I will lose her this week as she has now refused to let me syringe feed her anymore, she has always been very good about it and about taking meds and now wants no part of it. There are many things you can try to get the anemia reversed, Epogen as previously mentioned, Immunoregulin, etc., but you may need a transfusion to give them time to work. Unfortunately, for my baby the transfusion didn't seem to do much good at all and her numbers just keep going down. One of my first FeLV kittens had the same problem with his back legs, over a period of a couple of days they just stopped working and he couldn't pee. Tried a lot of different things but never got better and I never found out what caused it, please post if your vet finds out the cause. You might want to join the anemia group on yahoo. Gary - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten One of our FelV kittens is very anemic. Has anyone ever tried iron suppliments? We went back to the vet yesterday, and got her vitamins and iron, and hope this will buy her a bit more time. She is 8 months old and only weighs 3 1/2 pounds. She didn't actually lose the weight, she just never gained anymore weight than that, as she is also a small cat. She recently lost control of her back legs and the vet isn't sure this is caused by the FelV. He thinks it may be a neurological thing.. This happened suddenly about a week ago. First she was wobbly and then she got so she couldn't stand at all, and also lost control of her bladder and bowels. She is still eating and does not seem to be in any pain. Otherwise I'd put her to sleep. She is my daughter's favorite cat, and she doesn't want to do this unless the cat is in distress. I just wondered if any of you had ever seen this lose of mobility in a FelV cat? Advice please. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3698 (20081217) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten
Cats almost never get low on iron, it does happen but not very common. Bailey was low when he was anemic but my vet said this was not very common. Has your vet tested the baby to make sure she is low on iron, too much iron isn't good either. You may try nutrivid it is a vitamin b, folic acid and iron supplement, CRF cats who are mildly anemic take it, but if the baby is very anemic with an HCT 20 or lower your in big trouble and more aggressive intervention is required but you really need to find out what is causing it and as I said before I would get the baby on doxy and possibly prednisolone. Bailey got both of these but eventually we ended up putting him on epogen which corrected his anemia. His HCT got as low as 15 but once we got him on epogen it took about 3 weeks to start going up and after 6 weeks it was back up to 40, when he passed from pancreatic cancer his HCT was still normal at 34%. He was on epogen for months, once his HCT normalized he went from 3 doses a week to one a week. With out it he would have died within a week or two. Epogen is expensive but Bailey wouldn't have gotten those extra months without it. We suspected Bailey had cancer somewhere but couldn't find it, we did test after test and nothing conclusive ever showed up, my vet didn't feel comfortable treating it without knowing what kind or where. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon use?
The 7 on - 7 off is because some cats develop and immunity or a reaction to the interferon if given every day. Some people think this is too long to be without the interferon so they use every 3 days and sometimes every other day. Gary - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon use? There are different approaches to using oral interferon, which I understand is produced naturally by the body. One theory I know of, is that FELV kitties may be low in interferon and need daily supplementation, not 7 on/off (or 3 on/off). I think the on/off approach is because they think it encourages the kitty to make his/her own interferon in the off days. Im not sure why they choose 3 days or 7 days. I have usually done ONLY the daily supplementation, although this fall I've been missed a day every now and then. I also don't supplement the older cats (my 2 that are over 10), just the younger ones (age 1-5) Tally, who used to be on this list a number of years ago, has some web pages on interferon - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/ THis one is also of interest - http://www.tamlincat.com/faq.html Gloria On Dec 17, 2008, at 7:52 AM, Christy Buchin wrote: My Gray Kitty just started Interferon with good results. He completed the first 7 days with no problems. However, he has been off it now for the second day and this morning he vomitted many times. I was worried about it and may take him to the doctor. From: souther...@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:34:46 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon use? When I first took General to the vet I use now, the vet started him on interferon, liquid, 7 days on and 7 days off. I did that for a long time but since he's been having all these tummy problems, it seems that when I give it to him now he vomits that day. Are you folks on interferon? have you had any issues with it? Sidney and the General ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp;icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0010 ) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3698 (20081217) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten
Thanks, Belinda, glad to know that. On Dec 17, 2008, at 10:40 AM, Belinda Sauro wrote: Hi Gloria, Just an FYI, Nutrived is better than Pet Tinic, it has the folic acid needed in blood building and Pet Tinic doesn't. Vit B, Iron and Folic acid are needed to biuld blood. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon use?
Interesting - thanks, Gary - On Dec 17, 2008, at 9:40 AM, gary wrote: The 7 on - 7 off is because some cats develop and immunity or a reaction to the interferon if given every day. Some people think this is too long to be without the interferon so they use every 3 days and sometimes every other day. Gary - Original Message - From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon use? There are different approaches to using oral interferon, which I understand is produced naturally by the body. One theory I know of, is that FELV kitties may be low in interferon and need daily supplementation, not 7 on/off (or 3 on/off). I think the on/off approach is because they think it encourages the kitty to make his/her own interferon in the off days. Im not sure why they choose 3 days or 7 days. I have usually done ONLY the daily supplementation, although this fall I've been missed a day every now and then. I also don't supplement the older cats (my 2 that are over 10), just the younger ones (age 1-5) Tally, who used to be on this list a number of years ago, has some web pages on interferon - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/ THis one is also of interest - http://www.tamlincat.com/faq.html Gloria On Dec 17, 2008, at 7:52 AM, Christy Buchin wrote: My Gray Kitty just started Interferon with good results. He completed the first 7 days with no problems. However, he has been off it now for the second day and this morning he vomitted many times. I was worried about it and may take him to the doctor. From: souther...@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:34:46 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon use? When I first took General to the vet I use now, the vet started him on interferon, liquid, 7 days on and 7 days off. I did that for a long time but since he's been having all these tummy problems, it seems that when I give it to him now he vomits that day. Are you folks on interferon? have you had any issues with it? Sidney and the General ** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp;icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0010 ) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3698 (20081217) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
