Re: [Felvtalk] MY LITTLE GIRL NOT EATING MUCH

[Lance]

If you can, check her mouth and tongue for sores. Had this happen with a 
negative once. She didn’t eat, and she hid. She was given abx and either IV’d 
nutrients or just rehydrated. 

Try other food (Tiki Cat’s chicken and chicken formulas are great). I also 
discovered that Fancy Feast plain chicken formula, as bad as I thought it was, 
stimulated appetite.

Sometimes feeding in a different location worked for Ember. 

Agree with Amani that a CBC would be a good thing to have. 

I hope Kit feels better (and hungrier) soon.

Lance


> On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, gidge...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hi all,  haven't posted here in awhile because all was going well.  Kit
> decided she did not want to eat today.  So when I get home I intend
> to try Baby Food (Gerber's Stage 2).  If she does not eat, I will be 
> syringe feeding her and contacting the vet.  I did see that she did
> not use the litter box a few times, but is now using it again.  Could
> it be a possible she has a UTI?  Any advice is appreciated.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea

[Lance]

Hi Nancy,

I used to give Ember plain (not spiced for pies) canned pumpkin when she had 
diarrhea. She would eat it on its own out of a bowl, though I think most people 
mix it with wet food. Pumpkin is gentle and can firm up things a bit. 

Ember periodically had diarrhea, though it was only two or three times a year. 
Along with pumpkin, I would also fast her for 12-18 hours, and that would give 
her system time to get back on track. Just be very careful with the fasting. 18 
hours might have been a bit too long, though neither Ember (nor her liver) ever 
showed any signs for the worse from it.

Best to you and Kit,

Lance

> On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:11 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit.  Blood work 
> perfect.  About
> 4 days ago, she developed diarrhea.  While she is not running to the 
> litterbox all
> the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery.  I know 
> FeLV
> cats could develop IBD.  Could this be it?  How and what would you all 
> suggest?
> I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive
> Enzymes which also contains probiotics.  Would either of these (or both) help?
> 
> Would appreciate your opinions.  I also sent an email to the vet.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea

[Lance]

Could Kit have pumpkin and a probiotic at the same time? Ultimately up to your 
vet, but I would think they would be fine together. Plain pumpkin is just fiber 
that should help slow things down. The only catch is that Kit may not like it, 
but it’s cheap and widely available, so maybe worth a shot.

Lance

> On Feb 10, 2016, at 9:36 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Thank you Lance.  Being new at this, I'm not sure what is good for a cat with 
> FeLV and what is not.
> I did contact the vet and she asked me to start a probiotic, which I have 
> Mercola's "Complete Probiotics for Pets."
> Can I safely use both?
> 
> Nancy & Kit
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm>
> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 9:13 am
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea
> 
> Hi Nancy,
> 
> I used to give Ember plain (not spiced for pies) canned pumpkin when she had 
> diarrhea. She would eat it on its own out of a bowl, though I think most 
> people mix it with wet food. Pumpkin is gentle and can firm up things a bit. 
> 
> Ember periodically had diarrhea, though it was only two or three times a 
> year. Along with pumpkin, I would also fast her for 12-18 hours, and that 
> would give her system time to get back on track. Just be very careful with 
> the fasting. 18 hours might have been a bit too long, though neither Ember 
> (nor her liver) ever showed any signs for the worse from it.
> 
> Best to you and Kit,
> 
> Lance
> 
> On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:11 AM, gidge...@aol.com <mailto:gidge...@aol.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit.  Blood work 
> perfect.  About
> 4 days ago, she developed diarrhea.  While she is not running to the 
> litterbox all
> the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery.  I know 
> FeLV
> cats could develop IBD.  Could this be it?  How and what would you all 
> suggest?
> I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive
> Enzymes which also contains probiotics.  Would either of these (or both) help?
> 
> Would appreciate your opinions.  I also sent an email to the vet.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea

[Lance]

That makes sense. I had a good working relationship with Ember’s vet, and I 
almost always deferred to her on any changes I made. It’s a good thing to have 
everyone on the same page. Keep us posted!

Lance

> On Feb 10, 2016, at 10:44 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Lance, I just spoke to Kit's vet and she would like to just start off with 
> the probiotics first.
> Just add one thing in to see Kit's reaction.  So we will begin with that.
> 
> I had one cat who loved pumpkin and licked it off the spoon.  She never had a 
> BM problem!  :-)
> 
> Thx again!
> Nancy
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm>
> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 11:34 am
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea
> 
> Could Kit have pumpkin and a probiotic at the same time? Ultimately up to 
> your vet, but I would think they would be fine together. Plain pumpkin is 
> just fiber that should help slow things down. The only catch is that Kit may 
> not like it, but it’s cheap and widely available, so maybe worth a shot.
> 
> Lance
> 
> On Feb 10, 2016, at 9:36 AM, gidge...@aol.com <mailto:gidge...@aol.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Lance.  Being new at this, I'm not sure what is good for a cat with 
> FeLV and what is not.
> I did contact the vet and she asked me to start a probiotic, which I have 
> Mercola's "Complete Probiotics for Pets."
> Can I safely use both?
> 
> Nancy & Kit
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm <mailto:lini...@fastmail.fm>>
> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 9:13 am
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea
> 
> Hi Nancy,
> 
> I used to give Ember plain (not spiced for pies) canned pumpkin when she had 
> diarrhea. She would eat it on its own out of a bowl, though I think most 
> people mix it with wet food. Pumpkin is gentle and can firm up things a bit. 
> 
> Ember periodically had diarrhea, though it was only two or three times a 
> year. Along with pumpkin, I would also fast her for 12-18 hours, and that 
> would give her system time to get back on track. Just be very careful with 
> the fasting. 18 hours might have been a bit too long, though neither Ember 
> (nor her liver) ever showed any signs for the worse from it.
> 
> Best to you and Kit,
> 
> Lance
> 
> On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:11 AM, gidge...@aol.com <mailto:gidge...@aol.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit.  Blood work 
> perfect.  About
> 4 days ago, she developed diarrhea.  While she is not running to the 
> litterbox all
> the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery.  I know 
> FeLV
> cats could develop IBD.  Could this be it?  How and what would you all 
> suggest?
> I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive
> Enzymes which also contains probiotics.  Would either of these (or both) help?
> 
> Would appreciate your opinions.  I also sent an email to the vet.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma

[Lance]

Hi Kelley,

I’m sorry to hear that Simon is ill. If you’re not already a member, I highly 
recommend that you join the feline lymphoma list on Yahoo:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/feline_lymphoma 
<https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/feline_lymphoma>

Best hopes for Simon.

Lance

> On Dec 20, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Hope you will not mind me asking about a negative kitty, since yall know a 
> ton about lymphoma and I don't.
> 
> Simon is sick.  He had his senior bloodwork and it came back with elevated 
> white blood cell counts and non regenerative anemia, so my vet did additional 
> tests  PCR for hemobart and combo test, both came back negative   He's also 
> lost a lot of weight.  I'm trying to feed him A/D to see if I can get a 
> little weight back on him. 
> 
> So the next step apparently is a sonogram to look for cancer.  Vet suspects 
> due to his age (10) and the blood profile lymphoma or mylenoma..  Regular DVM 
> doesn't know anything else to do at this point.
> 
> What can yall tell me about your experiences with cats and cancer?  I've only 
> had one with cancer and I had her euthanized due to the vet's advice - it was 
> cancer of the mouth and he said the tumor was in a bad place and there was no 
> treatment. 
> 
> Also, I hope yall don't mind me sharing a fundraiser when I get one made.  I 
> don't have enough money to cover specialists.  He's a sweet boy, I call him 
> my shadow.  He's lying beside me now..
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] My FeLV baby Kit

[Lance]

Congratulations! That’s great news!

Merry Christmas to you and Kit.

Lance

> On Dec 19, 2015, at 5:44 PM, gidge...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, I just wanted to share some good news.  Today made my day
> and I know both Kit and I will have a perfect Christmas.  Her blood was all
> NORMAL!!  I will be receiving a copy soon to go over, but the vet was so
> excited to let me know.  We now go in a month for a recheck.  
> 
> Thx everyone.
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Re: [Felvtalk] KIT

[Lance]

Glad to hear that Kit is eating and playing in addition to an improved HCT. I 
don’t have any thoughts on the changes to her neutrophil count. 

Aside from interferon alpha (given in hopes of treating FeLV), I gave Ember 
Liquid DMG or DMG treats. There’s no way to know if the DMG helped her, but she 
had a good life for an FeLV+ girl (12 years and 1 month). I used Vetri Science 
products, though I know that there are other brands.

I think it’s best to consult the vet before starting anything new, but DMG 
always seemed to be “mild” to me, and both of Ember’s vets approved. 

Best hopes for Kit.

Lance


> On Dec 5, 2015, at 7:38 PM, gidge...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,  update on Kit.  Good news and not the best news.  Good is 
> 24% HCT (was 20, then 22%),  she continues to be happy, eating well and 
> playing like crazy.  Not so good news is her neutrophils went from 2500 to 
> 250 (was 300, then 2500).  She then mentioned that she aspirated the enlarged 
> nodes on her neck and the lymphoblasts went from 2% to 11%.   Does this mean 
> it is in the bone marrow?  I don't understand lymphoblasts.  The vet ordered 
> another round of clavamox, orbax, I now have pet tinic and something the vet 
> recommended called Immuno Support by Rx Vitamins.  Just ordered it.  Is there 
> anything else I can be doing to help her?  She also is getting a bit of B12 
> in her food once a day.Oh and I also ordered a probiotic, because you should 
> really give this while they are on an AB.  Please adv if I should be doing 
> anything else and if so, what?  Thank you, 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kit

[Lance]

Hi Nancy,

I’m not sure about the nodes. I guess it depends on what is causing the 
swelling. 

I’ve never heard of the Hardy RL test and a brief google didn’t yield results 
related to FeLV. What kind of test is it? 

Lance

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:32 PM, gidge...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Kit's fever is gone.  No longer on Onsior.  Still taking Clavamox, Orabax, 
> and getting fluids.  Last blood work was improved.
> WBCs  from 4.34 to 5.25
> HCT  from 20% to 22%
> PLT  from 3000 to 24000
> Neutrophils from 651 to 2500
> 
> Her nodes are still swollen.  Will they ever come down?  We still have at 
> least a week and a half of ABs, but was just
> wondering.  She is still playing, and eating very well.
> 
> Waiting for the Hardy RL test.  Does that determine what stage?  
> 
> Thank you!   
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kit

[Lance]

I’m pretty sure that everyone on FeLV-Talk knows more about Winstrol than I do. 
I hope someone else will take a look at those questions.

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 6:18 PM, gidge...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> 5)  Could FeLV cause itching?

My own experience says “maybe”. Since it affects the immune system, it might 
mean that FeLV+ cats are more prone to immune reactions. My Ember had allergies 
(usually manifesting as lots of sneezing) at different points in the year for 
the last six or so years of her life.

> 6)  She also has round worms, which I gave her a dewormer 2 days ago.  Could 
> this bring blood work down?

Not sure. I wouldn’t think it would cause any profound effects, but we take 
things like that for granted in FeLV- cats feeling that they can bounce back 
from temporary changes. I always fretted over Ember’s WBC.

> 
> 7) Her temp is holding around 101.2  ~  102.2.  This is ok?  She is no longer 
> on Onsior.

Normal temp for cats is from 100.5 to 102.5 degrees, so that sounds good!

> I am doing alot of reading now and hope you don't mind all the questions, as 
> I'm sure I will have more
> 

Keep the questions coming! This group is filled with knowledgeable people. I’ve 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv

[Lance]

Anne,

I’m sorry for your loss. Sam sounds adorable (we have a squirrel-tail, too). 
You did what you thought was best for him based on the advice of the vet. And 
that’s okay. It’s the best any of us can do. We all walk a fine line between 
wanting to give them every chance to rebound and wanting to prevent avoidable 
suffering.

It’s worth looking over the AAFP’s official paper on feline  retroviruses.

http://www.catvets.com/guidelines/practice-guidelines/retrovirus-management-guidelines

It’ll be good to get both Dom and Roxie tested. It’s unnerving to wait for it. 
Many of us have had cats we were certain had contracted FeLV through extensive 
contact with known positives, and tests later showed no infection in these 
“vulnerable” ones.

Perhaps some of these cats have latent infections that are unlikely to ever 
surface. Or, they just weren’t infected when overexposed to the virus, and 
they’re resistant.

I hope you get good news about both cats once you get them in for their tests. 

Best,

Lance

> On Nov 27, 2015, at 12:00 PM, annetbur...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hello. My name is Anne, and I just had to put my kitty, Sam, down on 
> Wednesday, due to his having felv and being very ill.
> 
> I am having those terrible self doubts now... I have had to let some 
> furbabies go in the past, and I always have those doubts, even though I know 
> it was the right thing for them.  
> 
> I am a cat rescue participant. I have had strays fixed, taken to vet, 
> treated, and have found homes for some. I rescued Sam and his brother Domino, 
> when they were young kittens, the babies of a feral/stray momma. An evil 
> neighbor trapped their mom, brother, and sister, and took them to Animal 
> friends in our town, where they were euthanized immediately... the animal 
> warden made me aware of this when I called him, to talk about the neighbor 
> trapping them. 
> 
> Anyway, Sam and Dom , and another rescued abandoned girl, Roxie, have been my 
> only ones for the past few years. Sam and Dom are four years old. Sam was 
> always sickly, with colds. the vet thought it was probably feline herpes, and 
> he was treated for colds, and finally didn't get them anymore, though he 
> began to have issues ... stomatitis. it was getting harder and harder to get 
> it to clear up. 
> 
> I had Sam and Dom neutered when they were about six months old. I thought 
> they had a felv shot at that time, but Wednesday, I learned that they had not.
> 
> Sam was always happy, bouncy, and my little squirrel tailed kitty :), but his 
> mouth became very inflamed and  I took him in to the vet. She gave him 
> zenequin and prednisone. It wasn't working, and he became worse, not eating 
> much, and I took him back. they then gave him fluids, and a depo medrol shot. 
> I was to call back in two days. He became lethargic the day after the shot.. 
> hardly walking, eyes became bloodshot and running a lot. I knew he was in 
> trouble, and took him back in. They called me to say that they tested him and 
> he was feline leukemia positive. 
> 
> I was so afraid that he was not going to get better. He was anemic by this 
> time. petikia in his eyes, his gums terrible. not even standing by this 
> point! I honestly could not imagine him coming back from this point, and 
> asked them if it was the best thing to let him go. They said yes, that he was 
> just going to keep going down hill (he was already bottomed out, in my 
> opinion). So I went in, and held him while giving him freedom from his pain 
> and suffering. It is breaking my heart and I need to hear that I did not do 
> this prematurely I see things online now, where people say it can be 
> treated. 
> 
> I have the other two, who seem very well. Roxie was a pet store cat, who was 
> abandoned by a relative who was supposed to be caring for her. she had a 
> micro chip and I was able to talk to her owner who was away at college. I am 
> thinking that Roxie had had her vaccine for that. I will be having her tested 
> soon, at another vets, where she has a treatment plan. The same for Domino, 
> who I am worried about, although he has been through a broken  leg, an 
> infection in the cast, and a long treatment before  his leg was able to be re 
> -casted.  he has always been very healthy, but I am worried. I have been 
> reading , searching, as to whether some cats may not get it, and I am hoping 
> that my Domino is one of the lucky ones who may have had it and thrown it off 
> (If I understand that process correctly).
> 
> I am so sad, wondering if I could have given my Sam more time. The vets were 
> not positive at all, and agreed that it was the best for Sam. I do not always 
> believe vets, and don't have the utmost trust in this practice, but I also 
> know that doubts are normal, when you have h

Re: [Felvtalk] Upsetting notices

[Lance]

I’m not the list admin, but I’m curious to know if people getting the bounced 
messages warnings have chosen to receive individual messages or daily digests?

I can’t be sure, but I’m doubtful that this could be related to a virus.

> On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:56 AM, swacht1...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> I also got this same message - gosh I hope this isn't a virus!
> 
> -Original Message- From: Lorrie
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> 
> I keep getting these notices that they will drop me for bounces and
> I have not had any bounces or my system would advise me of this.
> 
> Has anyone else had this happen?  It is most upsetting to me as
> this is my favorite cat group with such valuable help for FelV.
> 
> I don't know what they mean about my password (see below) this is NOT
> my password. Can someone please help me with this problem. I have to
> keep reinstating my membership.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Lance]

Glad to hear that Merlot is eating some on his own. That’s great!

Regarding AZT, you might check the Feline Retrovirus Guidelines paper for more 
information:

http://www.catvets.com/guidelines/practice-guidelines/retrovirus-management-guidelines
 
<http://www.catvets.com/guidelines/practice-guidelines/retrovirus-management-guidelines>

AZT can cause non-regenerative anemia. More information in the PDF.

Lance

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 6:28 AM, Maya D'Alessio <mde...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> He ate 1/4 cup of dry food on his own over night! I am so happy. I'll still 
> be supplementing with force feeding, but such an improvement.
> 
> Amani, my vet called yours yesterday and is just waiting to hear back. I am 
> not interested in starting azt unless merlot gets worse, I share the same 
> concerns about how harsh it is on the cat, and the literature didn't 
> conclusively show improvement.
> 
> I want to hold of on another blood check until Sunday. As long as he is 
> visibly improving, I'm not as worried, and I want to give his body time to 
> regenerate all those white blood cells.
> 
> Thank you to everyone for the support. We aren't out of the woods yet, but 
> merlot is not giving up!
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Lance]

My FeLV+ girl Ember got five-on five-off interferon. I can’t remember if it was 
1ml or .5ml, but it wasn’t a large dose.

I seem to remember a vet at a specialized clinic telling me that we didn’t have 
to stagger it, but my “country vet” had prescribed it that way, and we stuck to 
it. 

AZT can cause serious blood abnormalities in cats. I don’t think it’s often 
used in treating FeLV because of that. 

Lance

> On Oct 20, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Maya D'Alessio <mde...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You've been plenty helpful, thank you. What I need to figure out how to do, 
> is accept the situation and be less emotional about it, no matter which way 
> it goes, until the time comes. Right now I'm just so emotional, I keep 
> flip-flopping between optimistic and hopeless.
> 
> Do you know with the interferon, what dose they are on? When you first 
> started did you start immediately with the one week on, one week off, or was 
> there a more intense initial period?
> 
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net 
> <mailto:toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
>I remember researching AZT an deciding against it, but I don't recall why. 
>  My two boys have been on interferon for years (low dose one week on, one 
> week off) and I've never seen any adverse effects, but when they're sick, 
> they seem to perk up during the "on" weeks. The anti-nausea was likely 
> Cerenia, which is being recognized for it's anti-inflammatory properties, as 
> well.
> 
> He's improving. No need for any major decisions. That's really not a lot of 
> drugs, all things considered :) It was two weeks until Gribs was eating 
> normally, and seemed as if he might live. There really is no formula for mosr 
> people. I always read "you'll know", but I'm not sure that's true. Sorry I 
> can't be more help with that.
> 
> Margo
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Maya D'Alessio 
> Sent: Oct 20, 2015 1:56 PM 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R)) 
> 
> Oh wow, yes I am in Waterloo. Can you send me your vet's information and I 
> will pass it along to my vet immediately.
> 
> He is mentioning AZT and interferon, but Merlot has a persistent fever and 
> won't eat, I am assuming his body is not up to those drugs yet. He's 
> currently on doxy, prednisolone and mirtazipine (appetite stimulant), and 
> they gave him an antinauseant shot last night (cevinia I think).
> 
> Question to the larger group; my cat is uncomfortable (although better than 
> yesterday), I have to force feed him and he's on a ton of drugs. How long is 
> this feasible? How long should I let it go if we don't see improvement? How 
> do you make that call. With my last cat, she deteriorated so rapidly and it 
> was so dire that it was a pretty straight forward call.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com 
> <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
> Maya,
> 
> Seriously, I have to wonder about some vets. What is he offering you that 
> will help your cat??
> 
> Anyhow, all I can say is I am happy I have a supportive vet. I will send you 
> some links to stuff about Winstrol, but it is hard to find since the mind-set 
> you have encountered already, is all too common, even when our cats are dying 
> and there are few realistic alternatives.
> 
> Most of the links I will send to you will not speak to the use of Winstrol 
> specifically for FeLV, but speak to things like building up strength and 
> improving appetite.
> 
> Here is the first - very generic.
> 
> 
> http://www.petplace.com/article/drug-library/library/prescription/stanozolol-winstrol
>  
> <http://www.petplace.com/article/drug-library/library/prescription/stanozolol-winstrol>
> 
> Amani
> 
> P.S. - I also noticed you are not far from me. My vet is in Etobicoke, in the 
> outskirts of Toronto. Perhaps your vet should call my vet?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlin has gone to the bridge

[Lance]

Oh no! I’m so sorry to read this, Kelley. You loved him and did your best for 
him. I think he knew this. Take care of yourself.

Lance

> On Sep 27, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> They say his heart gave out.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Very worried about Merlin

[Lance]

Healing vibes for Merlin. Please let us know what you find out. 

Best hopes and wishes,

Lance

> On Sep 26, 2015, at 6:27 AM, Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks.  Dr Smith opens up at 8, so I'm waiting for it to be 8.
> 
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 6:20 AM, kat <merrykatme...@email.com 
> <mailto:merrykatme...@email.com>> wrote:
> Kelley,
>  
> Sending stay-strong, healing prayers to both you & Merlin.  Please let us 
> know what the vet says.
>  
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>  
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 at 4:10 AM
> From: "Kelley S" <moonv...@gmail.com <mailto:moonv...@gmail.com>>
> To: felvtalk <Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Very worried about Merlin
> Hi all,
>  
> Merlin has stopped eating his wet food.  I had noticed more and more food 
> remaining in the FELV cat room and watched him carefully tonight.  He is also 
> not grooming.  He DID pass a normal amount of stool (which I guess means he 
> has been eating something), unfortunately he passed the stool on his blankie 
> and then lay down right there.  I am going to try to get him into the vet in 
> the am, but it is Saturday and I know he will be busy.  If he can't work me 
> in I am going to at least try to get some AD and see if I can syringe feed it 
> to him.
>  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Big Pharma

[Lance]

A temporary workaround might be to go to the Mail Archive on the website.

> On Sep 22, 2015, at 12:09 PM, Kelley S  wrote:
> 
> I really wish I could see the initial posts..I've been complaining about this 
> for a while and not gotten any suggestions
> 
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Amani Oakley  > wrote:
> I don't disagree with that sentiment, but I have to tell you that Winstrol is 
> not "big pharma". In fact, one of my frustrations is that there is a 
> medication out there which has proven itself to be extremely beneficial in 
> treating a lethal condition in cats, and yet most vets either don't know 
> about it or don't prescribe it. Winstrol, and other anabolic steroids, have 
> been blackballed by the scientific community because they hane been used as a 
> performance enhancing drug by athletes. Some of you who follow these things 
> will recall that it was Winstrol (Stanozolol) which was found in Canadian Ben 
> Johnson's samples which got him stripped of the gold medal in running in the 
> 1988 Olympics. Frankly, I don't understand why this association with illegal 
> use in athletes should mean that the scientific community as a whole refuses 
> to look at the effectiveness of this group of drugs. Moreover, looking at the 
> scientific studies that do exist makes it clear that there are no solid studie
>  s linking the use of these drugs to the many scary side effects the public 
> always hears about. Even if side effects do exist (as they do with virtually 
> every drug out there) athletes abuse these drugs by using them in huge doses 
> and "stacked" in combination with all kinds of other drugs, so this is hardly 
> reflective of how these drugs are supposed to be used, or would be used in a 
> medical context.
> 
> We aren't professional athletes, and many cats the world over are suffering 
> from lethal conditions like leukemia, and yet, instead of being told that 
> there MAY be a medication that could help (and I'm not of course saying it 
> always does), we are instead routinely told there is nothing we can do but 
> watch our babies fade away from the infection.
> 
> It is obvious that Winstrol is not on the "Big Pharma" approved list because 
> it is difficult to obtain, even from the vets, and they are pretty skeptical 
> about it, so it certainly isn't a medication which is being "pushed" or 
> promoted by "Big Pharma". With Zander, when he recovered from what was 
> clearly a death spiral (his PCV was 5% and he couldn't move, and couldn't 
> breathe without an oxygen tent over his head), and even though I had 
> meticulously run and collected his blood work both before and after the use 
> of Winstrol, some vets started to question whether he had had leukemia in the 
> first place. So, when the medication works when it isn't supposed to, then 
> the vets start saying that maybe he wasn't dying after all.
> 
> I tried Winstrol on Zander out of sheer desperation. When we were told he 
> couldn't have any more blood transfusions because he had reacted to his 
> second one, we were giving him the LTCI injections and following his blood 
> work closely. The LTCI was doing nothing and I was watching his PCV drop 
> lower and lower again. When it reached 10 (after a high of only about 16 
> after the blood transfusions), I knew I was going to lose him soon with no 
> other options available (after scouring the internet and speaking to experts 
> everywhere). I literally went through the drawer I keep all the cat 
> medications for all the emergency cat fostering I do, and I found Winstrol. 
> It had been given to me years before by another vet for a cat with FIP, but 
> the cat had passed away so quickly, I had had no time to even try the 
> medication. I remembered that the vet had said that the Winstrol MAY help to 
> stimulate appetite and make the cat feel better. I had nothing else so I 
> figured, what the hell, and use
>  d it on Zander. I expected NOTHING. Three days later, I noticed this very 
> very slight blush on his so-pale gums, and I was pretty sure I was making it 
> up because I was so desperate. I showed my husband. He too thought he saw 
> something but both of us figured we were just so desperate for a miracle that 
> we were hallucinating. We took Zander to the vets that Saturday for 
> bloodwork, and his PCV came back at 12. We couldn't believe it and obviously 
> remained skeptical. But week after week, the PCV climbed steadily until it 
> was in the 30's, and he was eating and playing long before that.
> 
> I don't think it is a miracle cure at all, but I do think it is a very good 
> option for leukemia, and I remain frustrated that this option is not being 
> offered in most situations where a cat has leukemia. It makes no sense to me, 
> and doesn't to this day, that most people are not even told about the option 
> of using it, when there are really no other decent 

Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

[Lance]

It was a mistyping. It’s supposed to be lymphoma.

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 5:11 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> 
> I will keep you all in my prayers.  Question:  What is lythomy?
> 
>  simon95  wrote: 
>> My little bella is very sick she has lythomy in her kidneys she hasnt eaten 
>> in 3 days i am force feeding her and she is loosing weight rapidly. 
> 
> 
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
> 
>  Original message From: "Katherine K." 
>  Date:2015/09/21  17:24  (GMT+01:00) 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 
> Testing the list 
> We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual 
> check up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat 
> Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, 
> and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate 
> appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them 
> monthly for the past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure 
> if they actually do anything.  Sigh.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis  wrote:
> All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
> Jennifer L
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
>> awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
>> Best wishes.
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

[Lance]

I’m so sorry to read this.

Are you a member of the Yahoo! Feline Lymphoma group? They may have some ideas 
about steps you can take to help Bella and keep her comfortable. 

Best wishes for you and Bella,

Lance

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 10:37 AM, simon95 <simo...@onvol.net> wrote:
> 
> My little bella is very sick she has lythomy in her kidneys she hasnt eaten 
> in 3 days i am force feeding her and she is loosing weight rapidly. 
> 
> 
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: "Katherine K."
> Date:2015/09/21 17:24 (GMT+01:00)
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
> 
> We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check 
> up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat 
> Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, 
> and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate 
> appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them 
> monthly for the past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure 
> if they actually do anything.  Sigh.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis <blonded...@mac.com 
> <mailto:blonded...@mac.com>> wrote:
> All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
> Jennifer L
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:
> 
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> > awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
> > Best wishes.
> >
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> > IL)
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

[Lance]

Message received. :)

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 9:52 AM, James G Wilson  wrote:
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in 
> awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well. 
> Best wishes.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Study Article

[Lance]

Hi Amani,

Formatting broke James’ link, which works if you add a “3” onto the end. Here’s 
a shortened url that should work:

http://bit.ly/1NHSV00 <http://bit.ly/1NHSV00>

Best,

Lance

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 3:01 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> When I tried the link you have included in your email, it says that the 
> article is not available.
> 
> Unfortunately, I had highlighted the interesting information in the PDF 
> version. However, here is the title of the article if you want to find it and 
> look it up yourselves. I will also send it directly to Kelley if I can:
> 
> Anabolic-Androgenic Steroid Therapy in the Treatment of Chronic Diseases - 
> Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism - Volume 86, No.11.
> 
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> James G Wilson
> Sent: September-21-15 3:54 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Study Article
> 
> Hi Amani, Kelley, and all,
> 
> This list does not provide for posting pdf files or picture images (jpg, gif, 
> png, etc). It is a text-based information resource with a limit of 20Kb of 
> text per message. If your message to the group bounces, it is probably 
> because you need to trim down the quoted materials from all of the previous 
> messages that have been quoted in the thread. 
> Please let me know if you have any questions about all of this.
> 
> Amani, I found the article on Winstrol online at: 
> http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.86.11.798
> 3  Everyone should be able to copy and paste it into their browsers to read 
> it. Please let me know if there are any problems accessing the link from 
> here. Kind regards.
> 
> On 21 Sep 2015 at 18:54, Amani Oakley wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kelley
>> 
>> I have responded and attached an article but I don't see my post 
>> coming through. It may be because of the article size, that there may 
>> be a delay. I will watch and see if it goes through and try to repost.
>> 
>> Amani
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Study Article

[Lance]

For those who want to share images or multimedia documents, I’ve had great luck 
with Evernote. You upload the picture(s) to a note, then share the note (to 
enable sharing). You can then copy the url to an email. If you want to share 
pdfs, a service like Dropbox or Google Drive should work for that.

Best regards,

Lance



> On Sep 21, 2015, at 2:54 PM, James G Wilson <phaedru...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Amani, Kelley, and all,
> 
> This list does not provide for posting pdf files or picture 
> images (jpg, gif, png, etc). It is a text-based information 
> resource with a limit of 20Kb of text per message. If your 
> message to the group bounces, it is probably because 
> you need to trim down the quoted materials from all of the 
> previous messages that have been quoted in the thread. 
> Please let me know if you have any questions about all of 
> this.
> 
> Amani, I found the article on Winstrol online at: 
> http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.86.11.798
> 3  Everyone should be able to copy and paste it into their 
> browsers to read it. Please let me know if there are any 
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[Felvtalk] Gloria Lane

[Lance]

Hi List,

Just wanted to let everyone know that Gloria Lane passed away last Saturday. 
You may have seen or corresponded with Gloria here. She was a frequent 
contributor to several FeLV+ support groups. 

Gloria was a dedicated foster, volunteer, and all-around compassionate woman 
who worked with Feline Rescue and Rehome (FuRR) and no doubt other groups. MC 
could tell you more about the specifics. I know that they worked together both 
online and off to help cats in need.

My personal memories are that Gloria responded with kindness and support to 
some of my early (panicky) posts after Ember tested positive in 2006, and she 
kept responding when I’d post concerns. 

We will miss her.

Rest in peace, Gloria. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Take me off this mailing list..

[Lance]

Hi Michele,

I didn’t read the subject of your email, and since there wasn’t text in the 
body, I assumed it was a misfire. Click the link at the bottom of any Felvtalk 
email to go the mailing list options. You can unsubscribe there.

Lance


 On May 16, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 
 
 As this is an un-moderated list, I'd guess you need to do that yourself, the 
 same way you joined. If you want help, the word please is often considered 
 polite.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Michele mja...@gmail.com
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Re: [Felvtalk] My Harley is gone

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I’m so sorry to read that Harley is gone, Marsha. I’m glad that he had some 
good moments over the last few days. Difficult as it was, you made a choice to 
not let him suffer, and you made that choice with the same love you shared with 
him throughout his life.

Take care.

Lance 
 
 On May 15, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:
 
 My sweet little FeLV+ Harley, just barely 5 years old, went to join his buddy 
 Milkdud across the Rainbow Bridge today.  There is a pet cremation service 
 about an hour from me that does individual cremations, and you can arrange to 
 attend if you want to.  I put his catnip heart in with him, and a dandelion 
 blossom, covered him with the petals from a red rose, and then let some of my 
 tears drop onto him.  I sat with him outside in a glider chair until they 
 were ready for him.  The weather was nice, and I looked out into a peaceful 
 wooded area.  Only the very slightest breeze, so the rose petals didn't blow 
 away.  I carried him inside when they were ready, but didn't remain for the 
 process.  I chose an urn that looks like a black cat (like Harley) crouching 
 to pounce on a mouse.  I may put it in his favorite hunting spot, if it 
 doesn't upset Brock (Harley's FeLV+ roommate).
 
 The last several days, Harley could only have broth (tuna juice, the juice 
 from Fancy Feast Appetizers, etc.) and he had a difficult time getting even 
 that down due to the growth of his cancer.  Rather than take the chance of 
 him choking on his broth over the weekend, I took him to the vet to help him 
 cross over.  He remained in bed nearly all the time the last 3 days, but 
 thanks to his pain meds, he did enjoy some pets, tummy rubs, and naps in his 
 last days.
 
 Marsha
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Has anyone gone with radiation treatment for FeLV+ with cancer?

[Lance]

I’m so sorry to read this, Marsha. You might join the Yahoo feline cancer group 
and post your question there.

Best hopes for Harley,

Lance

 On Mar 15, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:
 
 Harley had a CT scan on Monday, and needle biopsy Friday.  Saturday 
 (yesterday) the report came back that he has cancer.  It is in the area of 
 his right middle ear and TMJ.  By the CT images, it does not appear to be 
 something operable - it does not have distinct borders and there is no room 
 to get margins.  I have many things to discuss with vets tomorrow:  comfort 
 care for the time being for sure; how effective is radiation treatment vs. 
 benefit to Harley; are there any chemo protocols for this that can help?  
 Also they push for a full biopsy requiring surgery because the diagnosis will 
 be more definitive and they could stage the cancer then.  But I question 
 the cost (both money and physical discomfort to Harley) vs. benefit to him.  
 How will the full biopsy change potential treatment?  It will cost money, has 
 risk due to anesthesia, location of mass, and possible infection, and will 
 cause him some pain afterwards.  Is it worth it for the extra bit of detail?  
 Below is the report if you're interested, and able to read the technical 
 stuff.  One note on the final comment that radiographs are recommended to 
 rule out bone involvement:  the CT scan showed already showed bone lysis 
 (erosion), but the pathologist did not have access to the info from the CT 
 scan.
 
 In the meantime, Harley has gotten meloxicam or buprenorphine when he doesn't 
 want to eat.  The anti-inflammatory effects of meloxicam give him relief for 
 4 days or so, allowing him to eat comfortably.  I just worry about potential 
 kidney toxicity with that drug, so they have to be really careful about 
 dosing, and the risk goes up long-term.  I wouldn't ordinarily say yes to 
 that drug, but it helps him.  And if he's not going to make it long-term, the 
 kidney concern takes back seat to his comfort.  The buprenorphine doesn't 
 help nearly as much, but may make him feel good.  He has been eating all his 
 food for the last 5 days, and plays and grooms himself.  A little more 
 subdued than usual, but he has a big burst of energy after his breakfast or 
 dinner.
 
 Marsha
 
 CLINICAL INFORMATION:
 Mass adjacent to/involving the right tympanic bulla; painful to open
 mouth; bulge palpated through skin medial to the right caudal mandible
 suspected to be the mass; blind aspirate; concern for carcinoma;
 patient is FeLV positive; regional node (and all peripheral nodes)
 palpate normal
 
 SOURCE:
 Mass adjacent to roof of mouth right side: 12 slides
 
 DESCRIPTION/MICROSCOPIC FINDINGS/COMMENTS:
 
 Microscopic Description: The smears are low to moderately cellular on
 a clear background with moderate blood contamination, many scattered
 platelet clumps and a low to moderate number of ruptured cells. Few
 small, loosely cohesive clusters of polygonal to cuboidal epithelial
 cells are observed. This population exhibits mild to moderate
 anisocytosis and anisokaryosis. The cells have a small amount of
 variably staining purple cytoplasm and a round central nucleus. The
 nuclei have finely stippled to reticular chromatin and often 1-2,
 small prominent nucleoli. There are also rare mesenchymal cells noted
 displaying oval nuclei, one to three small nucleoli and moderate
 amounts of basophilic cytoplasm. This population exhibits mild to
 moderate anisocytosis and anisokaryosis and occasionally surrounds a
 small to moderate amount of pink extracellular matrix. No infectious
 agents or cytologic evidence of inflammation are observed.
 
 Microscopic Findings: EPITHELIAL NEOPLASIA; MILD TO MODERATELY
 ATYPICAL MESENCHYMAL CELLS
 
 Comment: The observed epithelial population exhibits only mild atypia
 but based on the number seen and the provided history raise concern
 for a well-differentiated, malignant neoplasm. Cell morphology of
 this population is most consistent with a basal cell, ceruminous gland
 or apocrine gland population. Significance of the rare mesenchymal
 cells is uncertain (they could be a fibrous component associated with
 the mass/granulation tissue, connective tissue, possibly rare cells
 associated with a well-differentiated mesenchymal tumor). Tissue
 biopsy with histopathology is recommended for a specific diagnosis.
 Radiographs of the area are also recommended to completely rule out
 underlying bone involvement.
 
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[Felvtalk] OT: onion-how worried should I be?

[Lance]

Earlier tonight, my dad fed Callie a few bites of meatloaf. I don’t know if 
Callie ate all of the bites, and they were small, but I found out that the 
meatloaf had finely chopped onion in it. 

Despite the small intake, I know that onions are toxic to cats. How worried 
should I be about this? What should we be looking for other than lethargy and 
weakness? Is this just about waiting it out and hoping we don’t have to take 
her in for a transfusion?

Worried about our girl. :(

Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

Sidney may have had some brushes with another cat, but those have been 
fleeting. As far as I know, he hasn’t been bitten or scratched. 

Thanks for mentioning Plaque Off. I need to look into that. 

 On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Lance,
 
 I've been doing some reading on stomatitis since Merls has been diagnosed 
 with it.  There's a product called Plaque Off that is supposed to help with 
 dental issues.  It's composed entirely of seaweed so it won't do any harm in 
 any case.  Best wishes for both the kitties. Please keep us posted.  
 That's odd they suspect calici.  Have they been exposed to any other cats? 
 
 Kelley
 
 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm 
 mailto:lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were almost 
 certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some teeth 
 were pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients.
 
 I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer my 
 parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a 
 problem, but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious.
 
 Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details 
 since I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain.  The vet thinks she 
 might be dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she has 
 an autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every six 
 hours to help treat the ulcers.
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

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I would prefer buprenex (the compounded liquid version if possible) or 
tramadol. We may have some tramadol here. I don’t think we’re going to give 
Sidney anything tonight, but I’ve put the metacam somewhere that will require 
deliberate consideration rather than “Oh, there’s that thing we give to Sidney. 
I’ll do it now.”

 On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:
 
 Vets around here tend to avoid Metacam and favor Buprenex.  I worry about the 
 kidneys with Metacam. Hopefully they went with a minimal dose for Sidney.  A 
 dose of longer acting Buprenex seems to be recently popular in my area, for 
 post-dental pain relief.  Then the owners don't have to give any pain killer 
 at home.  But I have had 2 cats apparently hallucinate on that.  One was very 
 mild.  She was sitting on my lap, and trying to catch a string or something 
 that was floating in the air just above.  It was a very brief occurence.  The 
 other had a more pronounced reaction.  He thought he saw a mouse and was 
 intent on catching it.  Every time I moved what it seemed to be under, there 
 was nothing there, but he made a dash after it to its new hiding place.  At 
 first the other cats believed there must be a mouse, and they joined the 
 chase.  After about a half hour, they realized there was nothing there and 
 wandered off.  He seemed to see it for a another hour or two, but he must 
 have spent around 12 hours checking the places he thought it went.  He didn't 
 sleep for more than 24 hours.  My vet put a note in his file.
 
 Marsha
 
 On 2/23/2015 4:27 PM, Lance wrote:
 The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were almost 
 certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some teeth 
 were pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients.
 
 I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer my 
 parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a 
 problem, but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious.
 
 Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details 
 since I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain.  The vet thinks she 
 might be dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she 
 has an autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every 
 six hours to help treat the ulcers.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

I see. I mentioned Sidney because he’s the only one who might have met another 
cat. Callie is strictly indoors, and the only cat she meets is Sidney.

I’m not sure about vaccinations. If that’s a core vaccine, then she probably 
had it when she was a kitten. Neither cat has had a recent vaccination.

 On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Lance,
 
 I was referring to Callie...I'm assuming they have been vaccinated?  I've 
 only seen calicivirus in a shelter pull and that was a kittenit just 
 seems odd they would be exposed to it.  I wonder if it can lie dormant and 
 surface later?
 
 In the one case of Calici I did run across the kitten turned out fine.  We 
 had to syringe feed him due to the abcesses in his mouth, but he had a 100% 
 recovery.
 
 Kelley
 
 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm 
 mailto:lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 Sidney may have had some brushes with another cat, but those have been 
 fleeting. As far as I know, he hasn’t been bitten or scratched. 
 
 Thanks for mentioning Plaque Off. I need to look into that. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were almost 
certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some teeth were 
pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients. 

I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer my 
parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a problem, 
but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious.

Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details since 
I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain.  The vet thinks she might be 
dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she has an 
autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every six hours 
to help treat the ulcers.
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[Felvtalk] Fwd: [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

We don’t have a water fountain, though that might be handy right now. Callie 
drank some last night. I’m not sure about Sidney.

Thanks for the food input. I’ll mention the rabbit and duck options do my 
parents. It might be good to get some of that today to try. 
 
 On Feb 21, 2015, at 10:44 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
 FOR SURE, GET THEM ON BETTER FOOD, SOMETHING WITHOUT WHEAT, CORN OR SOY.  I 
 HAVE GONE TO BLUE BUFFALO AND THEY HAVE A RABBIT AND DUCK THAT MY CATS LOVE.
 
  Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: 
 I’ve wondered about food or water being the problem. They eat Friskies 
 canned and several kinds of dry food including Meow Mix. They’re my 
 parents’ cats, and I’m advocating for getting better quality food. 
 
 Another note: about four weeks ago, my dad’s 15yro shih tzu became very ill, 
 and it turned out that she had a UTI. I don’t know what to make of it. It 
 might be coincidental, but it’s suspicious.
 
 On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same 
 time...what are you feeding them?  Could there be a problem with the food?  
 Other than that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know what:(
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. Neither cat is eating today, and 
neither will drink, either. They show some interest in these things, but 
decline. Sidney is behaving closer to normal, but Callie is slow, quiet, and 
staying more out of sight than normal.

When my mom got a small amount of water into Callie earlier, she noticed that 
her tongue was red on the sides and at the front. I’ve had some bad experiences 
with Dr. Google lately, so I’m not trusting his input, but is this something 
any of you have seen? 
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

The cats aren’t in my care, so I don’t get to pick their food or handle vet 
visits. 

I think Convenia was done because it’s easy. I used it with Ember once or 
twice, but I’m not a big fan, either. I’ve read some less than pleasing things 
about it. I would prefer to get clavamox compounded, but we’re here now. 

I think both cats are peeing some, though I don’t know how much. Callie drank 
some last night, and Sidney got fluids at the vet yesterday. Both still aren’t 
eating today.

I will mention the need for a dry food change to my parents. When I last 
checked Wellness canned was somewhat questionable, but their dry food had a 
good rating.

 On Feb 22, 2015, at 6:27 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 Are they in your care? Was a CS done on the bacteria, or did they just use 
 Convenia because it's easy? I'm not a big fan, in case you can't tell g.
 
 When you say they're not peeing, I'd be doing sub-q fluids on a regular 
 basis, hoping to flush their bladders and make them feel better. For now, 
 I'd drop the dry food completely, if there's a problem with food, that's most 
 likely where it is.
 
 Please keep us posted :(
 
 Margo
 
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 I’ve wondered about food or water being the problem. They eat Friskies 
 canned and several kinds of dry food including Meow Mix. They’re my parents’ 
 cats, and I’m advocating for getting better quality food. 
 
 Another note: about four weeks ago, my dad’s 15yro shih tzu became very ill, 
 and it turned out that she had a UTI. I don’t know what to make of it. It 
 might be coincidental, but it’s suspicious.
 
 On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same 
 time...what are you feeding them?  Could there be a problem with the food?  
 Other than that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know what:(
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

Thanks again, everyone. Both cats are going at 7:30 tomorrow morning. We do 
have an emergency clinic, and I’m trying to figure out if I should push for 
Callie to go there today. Unfortunately, Callie’s vet didn’t give her fluids on 
Friday, but he’s a trustworthy vet, and he might not have seen the need at the 
point. 

 On Feb 22, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:
 
 If they're not eating or drinking, and it's been more than 2 days, they're 
 going to need supportive care like sub-Q fluids and either syringe feeding or 
 an NG tube.  They need to go back to the vet tomorrow, I think.
 
 Marsha
 
 On 2/22/2015 1:01 PM, Lance wrote:
 Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. Neither cat is eating today, and 
 neither will drink, either. They show some interest in these things, but 
 decline. Sidney is behaving closer to normal, but Callie is slow, quiet, and 
 staying more out of sight than normal.
 
 When my mom got a small amount of water into Callie earlier, she noticed 
 that her tongue was red on the sides and at the front. I’ve had some bad 
 experiences with Dr. Google lately, so I’m not trusting his input, but is 
 this something any of you have seen?
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

Thanks Marsha and Margo. 

My mom has been getting water into Callie using a straw. She’s done it at least 
two times today and plans to do it in another hour and a half or so. I’ll have 
them check to see if Callie’s skin is tenting. 

 On Feb 22, 2015, at 3:06 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 
 I've seen the red tongue thing in several cats, sometimes those with dental 
 issues, but most often in cats that are very dehydrated. How are their gums? 
 If they are wet and slick, then I'm wrong.
 Obviously I can't see them, but my worry is that they _are_ dehydrated, and 
 past the point where oral re-hydration is possible. I wish I had better 
 suggestions, I guess that getting as much liquid as frequently as possible 
 can only help.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

I appreciate your thoughts. I told my parents that sub-q fluids might be 
required. The vet might get us something like that tomorrow.

The good news is that Callie’s scruff didn’t tent, so it doesn’t appear that 
she’s badly dehydrated. My mom is giving her between 5-9 ml of water every two 
hours. I hope that will help keep her fluids up enough until her vet visit 
tomorrow morning.

 On Feb 22, 2015, at 5:35 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net 
 wrote:
 
 YOU CAN GET A FLUID SET UP FROM THE VET AND IF YOUR MOTHER IS OK WITH IT, SHE 
 COULD GIVE FLUIDS AS DIRECTED TO KEEP THEM HYDRATED.  ANYONE I HAD TO DO THAT 
 FOR WAS SO SICK THAT THEY DID NOT GIVE ME ANY TROUBLE.  I HUNG THE BAG FROM A 
 SHELF SUPPORT NEXT TO A COMFORTABLE CHAIR, POUT A TOWEL IN MY LAP AND RUBBED 
 AND TALKED TO THEM FOR A MINUTE AND THEN INSERTED THE NEEDLE.  YOUR MOM WOULD 
 JUST HAVE TO GT PAST PUTTING THE NEEDLE IN UNDER THE SKIN AND THINKING SHE 
 WAS HURTING THE CATS.  THAT BOTHERED ME BUT I KEPT TELLING MYSELF IT WAS THAT 
 OR THEY MIGHT DIE.
 
 
  Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote: 
 You can test for dehydration by pulling up the loose skin on the back of 
 the neck and see if it snaps back right away.  If it stayed tented, I 
 would get her in immediately.
 
 Marsha
 
 On 2/22/2015 2:08 PM, Lance wrote:
 Thanks again, everyone. Both cats are going at 7:30 tomorrow morning. We do 
 have an emergency clinic, and I’m trying to figure out if I should push for 
 Callie to go there today. Unfortunately, Callie’s vet didn’t give her fluids 
 on Friday, but he’s a trustworthy vet, and he might not have seen the need 
 at the point.
 
 
 
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[Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

Hi everyone,

I have good reason to believe that the cats I mention below are negatives. I’m 
not 100% sure, but one of them has had no exposure to my angel Ember in the 
last nine years, and the other one who did have a run-in was tested at 36 days 
out and then about a year out. Both tests came back negative. 

Our 9yro cat Callie stayed on her blanket all day Wednesday, which isn’t 
unusual in general cat behavior, but a bit off. On Thursday, she hid under the 
bed and acted scared whenever she came out (tail down and dashing to get 
somewhere). She popped out a few times to follow a toy I was tempting her with, 
but she would go back to hiding in short order. We realized that she hadn’t 
been eating (she feels thinner to me), and I noticed that her coat seemed 
different, though I can’t explain how. Maybe a bit more dull, but not really? 

Callie was taken to the vet on Friday. Bloodwork looked normal (I’m not sure 
what they tested, but I imagine it was a CBC with some metabolism) though her 
potassium level was low. The vet thought this was due to her not eating. They 
x-rayed her (pretty normal), checked her heart (normal), palpated her (normal), 
took temperature (no fever), so they kept her for the day to see if they could 
find out more. After getting a sample, her vet said  her urine had a lot of 
bacteria in it. They gave her a shot (Convenia, I’m guessing) and asked to see 
her in two weeks or sooner if she doesn’t start to feel better.

Around Wednesday, I noticed that our other cat, 11.5yro Sidney, felt like he 
might have lost some weight. It turned out that he also had not been eating. 
Sidney’s behavior was more normal for him, but he didn’t/doesn’t feel well. He 
was taken to the vet today, and unfortunately, I only have a vague picture of 
how that went. The tech thought she saw an ulcer in Sidney’s mouth, but the vet 
said he might have some inflammation and scheduled him for a dental. He got 
fluids and a shot (again, probably Convenia) and was sent home. 

Sidney is drooling quite a bit and hasn’t eaten since this morning. He’s 
clearly not feeling well, but he’s keeping closer to his normal routine, 
whereas Callie is not. She probably hasn’t had time to bounce back yet, but 
she’s still not eating; only drinking a little. She’s a little more 
interactive, but nowhere near normal.

We’re tempting them with everything we can including tuna, Fancy Feast Chicken, 
treats, snacks, etc. I don’t think we can do much more other than keep looking 
for things that they can’t resist at least nibbling on.

I’m wondering what my fellow cat guardians think of this situation. It seems 
unusual that two adult cats would get sick at the same time. 

Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

I’ve wondered about food or water being the problem. They eat Friskies canned 
and several kinds of dry food including Meow Mix. They’re my parents’ cats, and 
I’m advocating for getting better quality food. 

Another note: about four weeks ago, my dad’s 15yro shih tzu became very ill, 
and it turned out that she had a UTI. I don’t know what to make of it. It might 
be coincidental, but it’s suspicious.

 On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same time...what 
 are you feeding them?  Could there be a problem with the food?  Other than 
 that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know what:(

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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

[Lance]

Sidney’s urine wasn’t tested. Unfortunately, he didn’t see the same vet that 
Callie did. That would have helped.

I don’t think we have any indoor plants that are new or unusual. Sidney goes 
outside, but does not leave the fenced-in yard. Callie is an indoor cat.

Since Sidney goes out, he does his business outside most of the time. I’m not 
aware of any pee accidents inside, but Callie hasn’t drank much for the last 
two days. 

 On Feb 21, 2015, at 8:13 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net 
 wrote:
 
 DO THEY BOTH HAVE URINE BACTERIA?
 IS THERE A PLANT IN THE HOUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE EATEN ON?
 HOW ARE THEY WITH THE LITTER BOX?  WHEN HARLEY HAD A UTI AND STONES, HE DID 
 NOT EVEN GO NEAR THE BOX, BUT EVERY WHERE ELSE.  IF THEY USE THE BOX, ARE THE 
 URINE CLUMPS NORMAL SIZE OR SMALL?
 HOMEY AND HARLEY BOTH HAVE HAD UTI'S AND BOTH AVOIDED THE BOX AND I SPENT A 
 FORTUNE ON PAPER TOWELS AND STUFF TO CLEAN UP PUDDLES.  THEY BOTH WERE OFF 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Donatello

[Lance]

Hi Amy,

Yes, the email about Donatello did go out.

Best regards,

Lance

 On Jan 20, 2015, at 8:38 AM, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Can somebody just tell me if my email about Donatello went out yesterday?  I 
 got a response that my membership was disabled due to excessive bounces, no 
 idea why.  Wondering if anybody got my email.
 
 Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Happy Harley Home for Holidays

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That’s great news! Hope you, Harley, and Brock have a great holiday, Marsha.

 On Dec 24, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:
 
 His roommate Brock is a little less pleased.  Brock got a lot of extra 
 attention while Harley was in the hospital, and he isn't so overjoyed to see 
 Harley reclaim the sleeping bag.  While Harley groomed himself, Brock was 
 moping in my arms, twitching his tail occasionally.  They had sniffed each 
 other earlier, and there was no growling or hissing, but Brock knows he has 
 to share attention again, so seems a little dejected.
 
 Harley sneezes once in a while, and there is a little drainage from one 
 nostril, but his eyes are clear, his energy level is up, and his appetite is 
 back.  Just a few more doses of clavamox to give, and we're done.  Then I can 
 move on to worrying about right ventricular hypertrophy, which was discovered 
 soon after Harley's admission. Will be getting him a followup cardiac 
 ultrasound in a month or so.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] How long does URI last in FeLV+ cats?

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How is Harley doing today?

 On Dec 20, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:
 
 Harley is back in the hospital, where he has been for almost all of this 
 week.  Too much nasal discharge to get an NG tube back in at this time.  I 
 wish I hadn't taken him home last night.  How do I know when he's getting 
 over the hump?  I don't want to keep pushing him and letting him get sicker 
 and sicker, but he does still have some fight in him.  Been on this roller 
 coaster ride before.  I didn't care for real roller coasters when I was a 
 kid, and this is way worse.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] How long does URI last in FeLV+ cats?

[Lance]

Lack of fever, eating a little is good, and playing with the roller clamp are 
all good signs. I hope he continues to improve (and eat some) and that he can 
come home in time for the holiday to recover with you. 

 On Dec 23, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:
 
 Total of 10 days in the hospital at this point, with 2 trips home that lasted 
 only a few hours each. The first trip was the first day, just brought him 
 home with clavamox.  At that point, the nasal part and the fever hadn't even 
 started yet.  Brought him back, and got an NG tube placed successfully, and 
 he was on Clinicare nutrition for a week to get him through the worst of it.  
 After a week, I brought him home, and he was OK for the first hour, but then 
 (after I barely got Azithromycin into him) he started feeling pretty 
 miserable, so after a few hours, I brought him back to the hospital.
 
 Marsha
 
 On 12/23/2014 1:30 PM, Marsha wrote:
 Harley is still in the hospital, but improving.  On Sunday, he groomed 
 himself a little bit, first time in a week.  Two attempts were made over the 
 weekend to `put an NG tube in.  First attempt failed because they had tried 
 a lighter type sedation, and he fought it. The next day they tried heavier 
 sedation, got it in, and once back in his cage, he pulled it out! He had one 
 of the soft e-collars on.  Thankfully, he has started eating some kibble.  
 None of the most enticing wet foods had encouraged him, nor an appetite 
 stimulant, not even a mouse (small frozen feeder purchased from pet store, 
 and heated).  His eyes were looking better yesterday, but his nose is still 
 congested. Fever is gone.  He gets fluids and some meds through IV.  They 
 also have a steam vaporizer going.  Last night, in between pets, he batted 
 at the roller clamp on the IV line.  I am hoping to bring him home tomorrow. 
 Consistently eating on his own is the key.
 
 Marsha
 
 On 12/23/2014 9:41 AM, Lance wrote:
 How is Harley doing today?
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Harley is in the hospital

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You and Harley will be in my thoughts, Marsha. I hope he’s doing better today.

 On Dec 14, 2014, at 10:02 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:
 
 Harley developed this cough, where sometimes he gags or sometimes it's like a 
 whole-body hiccup.  Much of the time he crouches or sits all the way up to 
 get more comfortable.  He won't eat now, because the smell of food makes him 
 gag, and it's uncomfortable to swallow.   He does not have any nasal 
 symptoms, and his breathing is not labored.  Blood work looks pretty normal, 
 but I do notice a downward trend in his platelet counts.  Still above the 
 danger zone, but he's had 3 tests this year, and each platelet number has 
 been lower. Vets are thinking upper respiratory infection.  He is in the 
 hospital on IV fluid, ampicillin sulbactum for antibiotic, and has been given 
 maropitant, sucralfate, and buprenorphine.   Poor little guy is too 
 uncomfortable to get any sleep.  If he won't eat by morning, I'll talk to the 
 Dr. about an NG tube for feeding.  No fever.  I am worried about some kind of 
 tumor that might be in his esophagus, but we'd have to do some imaging for 
 that.  For now, we wait, and see if his cough gets better or worse.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Harley is in the hospital

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Glad to hear Harley is purring and affectionate. I take that as a good sign. 

I hadn’t heard of ECGs for cats, but it makes sense. It’s a good non-invasive 
test for heart concerns. Sounds like that’s not the issue, though.

I hope Harley is even more improved tomorrow. 

Lance

 On Dec 15, 2014, at 3:47 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:
 
 I visited with Harley for a couple hours this morning.  He seemed to be 
 feeling a little better than last night.  He even made biscuits, purred, and 
 rolled over for a tummy rub.  Still tired though, and not eating because of 
 his throat.  I brought him a couple of toys from home.  I'm not really 
 expecting him to play, but it's something familiar and hopefully comforting.  
 No catnip due to concern for his airway!
 
 He had an echocardiogram early this afternoon, and then an NG tube was put in 
 for feeding.  The Dr. said his larnyx area was very swollen and inflamed, and 
 the echo showed his heart's right ventricle is thicker than it should be.  
 They added an antiobiotic that will cover more possibilities (zithro), like 
 if the main issue is fungal rather than bacterial.  Might be adding a steroid 
 also, but I think that's for tomorrow.  So far no obvious masses, but there 
 is an inflammatory process going on, mainly in Harley's larnyx and bronchial 
 area.  There is still the possibility of early lymphoma, or an off chance of 
 a heartworm.  Mainly, it's wait and see for the next 24 hours.
 
 Note:  The echocardiogram was recommended due to concern of an enlarged heart 
 seen on Harley's x-ray.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Viralys maple flavored gel

[Lance]

Ember did well with these:

http://www.vetriscience.com/index.php?l=product_detailp=900743120

 On Nov 5, 2014, at 9:25 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:
 
 This is just a nutritional supplement, I wouldn't think it would taste or 
 smell like medicine.  I offered it like a treat.  H, I'll have to give it 
 a teeny taste myself and will report back.  I'll offer it to the FeLV+ boys 
 one more time, and if they still turn their noses up, I'll offer to the other 
 cats.  Maybe there will be one that likes it.  You never know.  I had an 
 older kitten at the vet that needed a pill, and the vet put it in some peanut 
 butter!  I would let him have a lick of PB from time to time at home, but now 
 that he's 6 years old, it no longer appeals to him.  Or maybe he just liked 
 the vet's brand better, LOL.
 
 Marsha
 
 On 11/5/2014 9:06 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 IT SEEMS THAT THEY SENSE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE THEM MEDICINE AND THE 
 STRUGGLE BEGINS.
 
  Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:
 I offered my 2 FeLV+ boys some maple-flavored Viralys gel, and neither
 would even taste it.  Though the maple aroma smelled good, it was pretty
 strong to my human nose, so maybe it was overwhelming to their senses.
 
 Viralys contains lysine, which helps boost the immune system, and I've
 heard is especially useful for cats that have contracted feline herpes
 virus.  Neither of mine have that, but I figured I'd get it anyway, just
 for the immune boost.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering

[Lance]

I’ve read quite a bit about FeLV, and I’ve never seen anything about 
testosterone being potentially helpful in fighting FeLV. I wouldn’t let your 
vet’s conjecture keep you from neutering the male kitten. As others have said, 
he needs to be an indoor cat for his own sake and out of respect for the safety 
of other cats.

Best hopes that he has a long life.

Lance

 On Oct 27, 2014, at 9:57 AM, Debi Kraal dkr...@cableone.net wrote:
 
 I have a male 6 month old Felv + kitty.  He's been to the vet for all the 
 appropriate vaccines.  I have 2 other cats.  They’re all indoor/outdoor cats. 
  Where ever they want to be is good with us.  We have a large lot, 4 acres, 
 trees, mice, all things wonderful for cats.  My concern is that my vet did 
 not want to neuter, “Bean”.  He said there is some evidence that the extra 
 testosterone my help with the leukemia.  I have never had a non-neutered, 
 spayed pet,  I’m feeling a bit uncomfortable with this.  Has anyone heard of 
 this testosterone evidence?  
 
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[Felvtalk] OT: arthritis

[Lance]

Hi all,

This has nothing to do with FeLV, but the community is so knowledgeable about 
so many things feline that I wanted to ask. 

I have a friend who has a 16 year old cat with arthritis. The vet had my friend 
feel Kitty’s knees, and one is really knobby and arthritic. Kitty gets around 
just fine, but she’s stiff and has a hard time jumping.

The vet prescribed Metacam. I think the dose is 1.5 mg/ml or .15 mL per day. I 
warned my friend about Metacam, and she started looking into it. She’s now 
reluctant to use it, especially since Kitty had a minor kidney issue in the 
past. 

My friend knows about glucosamine and chondroitin, but these won’t really help 
with the pain. Does anyone know of alternatives for arthritic pain? Has anyone 
used Metacam to treat cats with arthritis? 

Thanks!

Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: arthritis

[Lance]

For anyone dealing with the same issue, I thought I’d mention what Ember’s vet 
had to say when I spoke with her earlier.

She avoids Metacam, particularly if the cat has shown any kidney issues at all. 

She recommended checking into Prescription Diet j/d (Kamila linked to a Chewy 
listing for it in a previous post), saying that it had helped her 17 year old 
cat with arthritis. She also mentioned laser treatments. These are non-invasive 
and do not require anesthesia. They are done several days a week for the first 
week or two, then reduced in frequency to monthly. She mentioned adequan, which 
is sometimes used in cats. Finally, she said that topical buprenorphine could 
help. 

Lance

 On Oct 24, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 This has nothing to do with FeLV, but the community is so knowledgeable about 
 so many things feline that I wanted to ask. 
 
 I have a friend who has a 16 year old cat with arthritis. The vet had my 
 friend feel Kitty’s knees, and one is really knobby and arthritic. Kitty gets 
 around just fine, but she’s stiff and has a hard time jumping.
 
 The vet prescribed Metacam. I think the dose is 1.5 mg/ml or .15 mL per day. 
 I warned my friend about Metacam, and she started looking into it. She’s now 
 reluctant to use it, especially since Kitty had a minor kidney issue in the 
 past. 
 
 My friend knows about glucosamine and chondroitin, but these won’t really 
 help with the pain. Does anyone know of alternatives for arthritic pain? Has 
 anyone used Metacam to treat cats with arthritis? 
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Such a short little life

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I am sorry to read this, Elisabeth. I’ve always loved the busy ones and 
mischief makers. You did all that you could for her. That’s clear from your 
first post. In her own way, Nanita knew this, too. Take care.

Lance

 On Oct 22, 2014, at 2:50 AM, Elisabeth Eastley eeast...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It is with the greatest sadness that I have to say that out little Nanita 
 passed away last night. She was just over a year old and had developed 
 lymphoma which grew quite quickly. Most of her life was spent getting up to 
 mischief and her nickname was Troublemaker. She was her Daddy's girl and 
 lived her life to the fullest. She was a happy and affectionate little girl. 
 Her loss leaves a hole that will never be filled.
 
 Thank you to everyone who replied to my question.
 
 With kindest regards
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Light positive reading

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I’d like to know more about this as well. I was told that Ember was a “weak 
positive” at her first test. She definitely had the virus (subsequent ELISAs 
were positive, and CBCs seemed to back those up in showing immunosuppression). 

On Sep 28, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi guys,
 
 Long ago I learned from this list, there is no such thing as light positive 
 reading.  It indicates an error with the test.  I don't have documentation to 
 back this up, can anyone help?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Blind positive cat

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Awww, that’s great to hear. Thank you for taking him in. I hope he and your 
other cat continue to get along well. 

Lance

On Sep 25, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just wanted to let everyone know that I got the blind kitty. He's sper 
 sweet. My other positive cat seems interested in meeting him, so hopefully 
 that's a good sign. 
 
 On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Jennifer Lewis blonded...@mac.com wrote:
 And be sure to introduce the new kid slowly.
 On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Grace Mifsud wrote:
 
  Hi
  I have homed a few blind cats.it shoud not be a problem giving this blind 
  cat a home you just have to put litter,food water always in the same 
  place.they will get so used to the house you will some times think they are 
  not blind.
  Grace
 
  Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Does anyone have experience with a blind FeLV+ cat? There is one near me 
  who needs a home, so I am considering him. I think he is about 1-2 years 
  old. I believe his blindness comes from a viral infection. I do not have 
  stairs in my home, and I have been told he is littertrained. I plan to 
  start him out in one room.
 
  I'm also concerned about stressing my 12 yo positive cat. He likes other 
  cats, but I don't know how sensitive his immune system will be to a change 
  in the household and would hate to cause him to have a health relapse due 
  to introducing a new cat. On the other hand, I know how hard it is to 
  rehome a positive cat, and since I already have a positive household, I 
  feel like I should be open to helping other positives.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] My Moe

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Your post came through fine. Can you consult with another vet? I was reluctant 
to give any medicine (or supplement) to my Ember without getting a 
professional’s advice and approval. That said, I’m sure others here can discuss 
what they’ve used in similar situations. 

I hope Moe is less sneezy tomorrow.

Lance

On Sep 21, 2014, at 6:20 PM, one23di...@aol.com wrote:

 I'm not sure if I am doing this posting properly or not, but here goes.
 
 Moe is my felv+ heart kitty.  A few days ago I noticed he was sneezing, and 
 of course my vet is on vacation.  Started him on Amoxi-tabs (1 tablet, twice 
 daily).  It has been 3 days and I think he is sneezing more and one eye has 
 some discharge.
 
 I do have some other antibiotics in the house (clavamox, doxy) and wondered 
 if one of them would be a better choice.
 
 The vet is not due back for another 10 days
 
 Any suggestions would be most welcome.
 leslie  Moe and the furballs
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Re: [Felvtalk] Treatments

[Lance]

No experience with ImmunoRegulin, and my vet had never used it on cats. I spoke 
to one vet six years ago who felt like it was useful, though not a cure. If the 
archives are searchable, you might try looking there. Also, I think one member 
(I don’t remember who) said that she was keeping it in reserve at her vet’s in 
case she needed it.

It isn’t expensive, and I don’t think it requires a prescription.

Lance

On Aug 12, 2014, at 11:06 AM, sweet2bcotasue sweet2bcota...@att.net wrote:

 Does anyone know or have experience with ImmunoReg (sp?)?  Given as shot/IV.
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Re: [Felvtalk] New have question

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I don’t know of any supplements that are specifically geared toward oral 
health. Someone else may have some helpful info. I know that CET makes pet 
dental products, including a water additive. Googling for them should bring up 
their site. I believe they’re owned by Virbac. 

After she tested positive, I gave my FeLV+ girl interferon alpha and DMG (both 
are general immune system boosters) for most of her life. I often gave her 
Prescription Diet t/d as a “treat”. We rarely had any gum or teeth issues, 
though she did need several cleanings. The t/d would not be good for a kitty 
already dealing with any mouth pain.

Best wishes for you and the calico kitten,

Lance

On Aug 11, 2014, at 9:06 PM, Susan Grimes sweet2bcota...@att.net wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 I have a 4 month old calico that just retested for a FIV+ original test and 
 this week she tested FIV- and FeLV+.  I have 7 other cats and have done 
 rescue/foster work the last 3 yrs.  We are waiting on IFA results now.  I was 
 reading the archives and read something about supplements to promote oral 
 health/for stomatitis (?) now I can't seem to find that post.  Can someone 
 help me with that info?  Am waiting on labs now to decide on course of 
 treatment.  Currently on Immunostim drops and Lysine treats. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV contagious

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There are many anecdotes on the FeLV lists of negatives accidentally mixing 
with positives and never getting sick or testing positive. I saw this happen 
with several of our own cats. There are posts from guardians who mixed healthy, 
vaccinated negatives with positives, and the negatives stayed negative.

We know that adult cats have a certain natural resistance to the virus and are 
less likely to be persistently infected. We do not know how strong this 
resistance is, and for all we know, it might vary from cat to cat.

Vaccination works well. It does not prevent 100% of infections. I’ve seen 
80-85% as a figure, but I’m not sure that AAFP or any other official 
organization has given a number. 

I would be comfortable mixing if the negative was a healthy adult and once the 
negative was vaccinated. I believe the vaccine takes a little time to kick in, 
too, and it might require a booster if the cat has not been previously 
vaccinated. Your vet will know. I would also consider using a PureVax vaccine, 
as it is (in theory) less likely to cause a fibrosarcoma to form at the 
vaccination site. Your vet will be able to tell you far more about that than I 
could. 

Best wishes for you and Merlot,

Lance

On Aug 11, 2014, at 4:24 PM, Maya D'Alessio mde...@gmail.com wrote:

 So, my one cat Merlot is clearly lonely.  He is used to being second in 
 command to our cat Yang who passed away.
 
 I work with a cat rescue, and the cats there all live communally until they 
 are adopted (with a quarantine area for cats on meds/who are really sick).  
 She thinks that there isn't much of a problem with bringing another cat in to 
 the house, as long as the other cat is not immune compromised, etc.  This 
 contrasts with what my vet says - no other cat contact.
 
 I'm not sure who to believe here.  Obviously FELV is contagious, and it is 
 passed from cat to cat.  The chance of that increases with increased contact, 
 but the lady made it seem that for the 20 years she's been running the place 
 she has only had a handful of FELV+ cats, none of them died from it, and she 
 had a 19 year old cat who had lived with all of them test negative for FELV 
 recently.  I can't imagine being responsible for exposing another cat to the 
 virus and getting them sick, but I also feel bad for Merlot who is lonely.  I 
 was thining maybe I would consider (in six months or so), trying to take in a 
 cat who was not going to find another home.  ie. an older cat, or a cat from 
 a society that they were about to put down.
 
 What do you guys think / what has your vet said to you about this?
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no?

[Lance]

I wish I had an answer for you. Would your vet be willing to log onto Vetinfo 
to see what other vets are recommending for FeLV cats? I seem to recall that 
Ember’s vet recommended that she be vaccinated, but we never did that. Despite 
her low white count, she never picked anything up at the vet’s office as far as 
I know. Even the dentals didn’t weaken her enough. 

If Purevax makes an FVRCP vaccine, that might be the better one to go with. It 
is supposed to have less possibility of causing a fibrosarcoma (we used to call 
them vax site sarcomas).

Also, you’re not overthinking this. You’re being a good and protective cat 
parent. 

Best wishes for you and Leo,

Lance

On Aug 11, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 I asked last year when Leo was due for his yearly check-up, about how 
 everyone feels about vaccinating
 their Leukemia pos. cats in general.
 
 The replies I received cautioned not to vaccinate for FVRCP, that is caused 
 cats to become ill afterwards.
 
 I have to get Leo vacc. for rabies since it is the law, will do the Purevax 
 like I did last year, but he 
 has only received one FVRCP vacc. back in summer 2012, when I first got him 
 and he was neutered and 
 I wasn't told about his FeLV status until afterwards.  At the time I thought 
 he was a feral cat, he actually was, 
 but has since become quite tame.  
 
 Last year, in 2013, I opted not to do the FVRCP, because of the cautionary 
 emails on the subject.
 I guess my only worry is that he will be more susceptible in a vet clinic 
 when he goes in for a check up for 
 for treatment if he doesn't have that vaccine, so just would like to throw 
 this out there again for thoughts on 
 this subject.  Also, is there a certain type of FVRCP that might be less 
 dangerous, etc?  
 
 I have done some reading on Dr. Lisa Pierson's website, and sounds like he 
 should maybe have at least 2 vaccines
 as an adult and then can stop.  Am I overthinking this?
 
 Thanks for any advice.  So far, knock on wood, he is doing great, though he 
 is lonely, but I think since he was initially
 semi-feral, the quiet lifestyle suits him.  we built him a nice mini screened 
 porch/large window box which he really enjoys
 and spend time with him daily.
 
 Best,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Just tested positive

[Lance]

I think I might be in the same boat. My family has had many cats, and I loved 
them all, but Ember was *my* first and only cat. It’s so strange that’s she’s 
been gone for two months, and that everything at the end happened so fast. I’m 
sure I’ll adopt again, but Ember was special. Her loyalty, love, sensitivity, 
and intelligence were unique. I’m saddened that I’ll never get to hold her, 
kiss her, or talk to her again. She was one of the best friends I’ve ever had.

On Jul 26, 2014, at 8:33 PM, Maya D'Alessio mde...@gmail.com wrote:

 I know exactly what you mean by, 'cat of a lifetime'. My yang was absolutely 
 that for me.
 
 I looked at pictures of her today without crying, but sometimes I hate the 
 fact that I'll never get to see her again.
 
 On Jul 26, 2014 7:53 PM, Jennifer Lewis blonded...@mac.com wrote:
 First off, Thank you all so much for your condolences.
 Smoosh was absolutely a 'cat of a lifetime' in every way (and every day), and 
 losing her has rocked me to my core.
 
 My vet, Dr Stan Avezov of Pasadena Pets Hospital in Pasadena, CA could not 
 have been any more wonderful with her, and supportive of us.
 
 He is compassionate and understanding to the nth degree, and I would never 
 hesitate for a moment to advocate for him.
 We have financial limitations (Smoosh and Brynn were supposed to be 
 weekend/temp fosters through a rescue until they tested + and their long term 
 situations bailed on them) but he has consistently worked with us always for 
 the greatest good for the girls throughout their lives. He also is absolutely 
 my 'go to' for my other kitties as well, and we are kinda 'the Island of 
 Misfit Toys' at my house. I have a kidney survivor, a senior, a cripple and a 
 diabetic...
 
 Brynn continues to thrive with his help and guidance, although she really 
 misses her Smoosh, as do I.
 
 I wish everyone had a vet like Dr Stan.
 
 Jennifer
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:02 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
  i HAVE HEARD SO MANY STORIES OF VETS DOING THIS.  IT SEEMS THEY DON'T WANT 
  TO BOTHER TREATING POSITIVES.  MAYBE THEY DON'T THINK THE OWNERS WILL WANT 
  TO DEAL WITH THE EXPENSE OR TIME TO TREAT THEM, BUT THAT SHOULD BE LEFT UP 
  TO THE OWNER TO DECIDE, NOT THE VET.  ESPECIALLY, IF PETA IS DOING FREE 
  SPAYS/NEUTERS, DO NOT TAKE YOUR ANIMALS TO THEM.  I KNOW OF ONE INSTANCE 
  WHERE THEY EUTHANIZED THE CATS WITHOUT EVER NOTIFYING THE OWNER.  IT IS 
  STANDARD PROCEEDURE WITH THEM. WHEN I GOT ANNIE, SHE HAD BEEN THROUGH A LOT 
  OF STRESS AND SUDDENLY TESTED POSITIVE .  DR. RHODES SAID I HAD 2 CHOICES:  
  EUTHANIZE OR WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED.  HE SAID I SHOULD VACCINATE ALL 
  THE OTHERS AS A PRECAUTION.  NO ONE ELSE EVER TESTED POSITIVE AS A RESULT 
  OF BEING AROUND HER.
 
   Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:
  Holy crap, not even an IFA confirmation?!  I once took a feral in to be
  spayed, only to discover in the afternoon they didn't do the surgery
  when she tested positive, and they couldn't get hold of me for
  instructions.  Now I make sure to give instructions beforehand - go
  ahead with the spay or neuter regardless of FeLV / FIV status (though I
  might hold off if there was a positive on the  heartworm test).
 
  Marsha
 
   On 7/25/2014 12:54 PM, Kelley S wrote:
  The low cost spay clinic I took Merlin to recommended immediate euth
  for merls, without so much as an IFA.  Of course I said no.  THen I
  found my holistic vet who boosts their system through supplements.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Just tested positive

[Lance]

I’m very sorry to hear about Yang’s passing and that Merlot has tested 
positive. Hopefully, Merlot has a lot more time ahead of him.

I used interferon alpha and Liquid DMG fairly regularly for my Ember. She also 
got Transfer Factor (human formula; not the one for cats), but I wasn’t 
consistent with that and was uncertain about its efficacy. I might have 
eventually looked into LTCI, but my vet did not like the lack of third-party 
data on the treatment. However, that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t work.

FeLV is scary, but don’t lose hope. Ember had minor illnesses here and there: 
sneezing (likely due to allergies) and an occasional day or two of diarrhea. 
For the latter condition, I would fast her for 12 hours (going much longer 
could cause liver damage), and I would feed her canned pumpkin (not pie filling 
but plain pumpkin) for a day to give her some fiber. These problems weren’t 
frequent for us, thankfully. Blood tests were moments of anxiety at times 
(Ember usually had low wbc). 

Ember lived for at least eight years from testing positive to her death two 
months ago. I would have liked to have had her longer (she was a little over 12 
years old), but I feel very fortunate for all the time we had together. 

Lance

On Jul 24, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Maya D'Alessio mde...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello everyone,
 
 My cat Merlot, just tested positive for FeLV yesterday afternoon.  We had him 
 tested, because my three year old cat Yang (female) started acting ill at the 
 end of June, the next morning I took her in to the vets and we discovered she 
 was anemic, jaundiced and had a high fever.  They checked her blood levels 
 and found she was anemic (about 13, vs 26 in a healthy cat).  She stayed at 
 the vet during the day  and her blood levels didn't get any worse, and our 
 vet was optimistic.  They transferred her over to the emergency clinic which 
 was open all evening and in to the weekend.  They monitored her overnight and 
 her red blood cells decreased, her fever lowered but she went past normal to 
 too cold.  That morning the blood tests came back and she was positive for 
 FeLV.  We were shocked.  Even worse was that her detailed blood work showed 
 no uptick in blood cell production, where she should have increased 
 production, she actually had almost no production.  We then got to see her 
 before we had to put her down.  That was the hardest day of my life.
 
 Now, with Merlot testing positive I am terrified of losing him so quickly, 
 and I am still grieving for Yang.  I know the statistics are not great for 
 long term prognosis, but he is currently healthy (just a tiny bit of 
 gingivitis - we are going to start brushing his teeth).  What can I do to 
 keep him healthy?  How do I live with him everyday without starting to grieve 
 him already?  I know we all are going to die someday, but this just feels 
 like it is going to hang over me.  I am still doing reading on the disease 
 and newer treatments and such, but do these all start after the cat becomes 
 noticeably ill, or are there things I can be doing now to help keep him 
 healthy?  Are probiotics helpful in this case?
 
 For those who have or have had a healthy FeLV cat, how long did they stay 
 healthy for?
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Positive to negative

[Lance]

Are you referring to Crash's Landing? They're a large no-kill in Grand Rapids 
(I think). They have a separate shelter next door for FeLV and FIV cats called 
Big Sid's. I support CL when I can. They really care, and Dr. Jen (the vet 
behind Crash's) has pulled off some miracles on injured and ill rescues.

On Jul 17, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:

 You tried Leuk's Landing?
 
 From: Mercy Cats mercyc...@outlook.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive to negative
 
 Thank you, everyone.  I'm still trying to catch the mother cat from the park 
 and am worried about her status.  When I catch her I'll get her tested 
 myself.  But positive or negative, I don't have room for another cat.  I 
 found out about the park from my husband.  The conversation started, I don't 
 want another cat.  If I told you I know where there's a mother cat and 
 kittens, where could they go?  I had to find someplace to take them before 
 he showed me where they were.  The local humane society changed management 
 last year.  They are now no kill except for FIV and FeLV.  Before that they 
 killed everything.  The shelter I used to work with also changed management, 
 but that one was for the worse.   
 
 Both my husband and I have health issues.  Taking in another cat is not an 
 option.  Is anyone from the group in Michigan?  I'm in St. Clair County.  
 There are 2 rescues on the west side of the state that take FeLV+ cats, but 
 both are full.  
 
 I can't just abandon the mother cat.  Someone already did that.  But I'm 
 making an almost 50 mile round trip every day to feed her.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: lini...@fastmail.fm
 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 20:39:00 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive to negative
 
 Current thinking seems to be that the odds of a regressive infection 
 resulting in FeLV-related disease is “unlikely”. This is according to the 
 2008 AAFP Retrovirus Guidelines. Focal infections where the virus is 
 restricted to certain tissues are rare, and these infections also seem 
 unlikely to result in FeLV-associated disease. 
 
 Lance
 
 On Jul 16, 2014, at 8:29 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:
 
 Note on going negative:  sometimes the virus can become dormant and hide 
 for a while.  It can later reactivate and the cat will test positive again.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Positive to negative

[Lance]

Thanks for bringing Leuk’s up here. I’ve friended them on FB and will look into 
them more.

On Jul 17, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Nope, I meant Leuk's.  They were going to take a litter of positive kittens 
 from me but they all converted.  It is a leukemia only sanctuary.  Leona 
 Foster runs it and is great.
 
 Leuk's Landing
  
  
 
  
  
  
  
  
 Leuk's Landing
 Non profit permanent home for kitties with Feline Leukemia (FeLV).
 View on www.leukslanding.org
 Preview by Yahoo
  
 
 Amy
 
 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
 To: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive to negative
 
 Are you referring to Crash's Landing? They're a large no-kill in Grand Rapids 
 (I think). They have a separate shelter next door for FeLV and FIV cats 
 called Big Sid's. I support CL when I can. They really care, and Dr. Jen (the 
 vet behind Crash's) has pulled off some miracles on injured and ill rescues.
 
 On Jul 17, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 You tried Leuk's Landing?
 
 From: Mercy Cats mercyc...@outlook.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive to negative
 
 Thank you, everyone.  I'm still trying to catch the mother cat from the park 
 and am worried about her status.  When I catch her I'll get her tested 
 myself.  But positive or negative, I don't have room for another cat.  I 
 found out about the park from my husband.  The conversation started, I 
 don't want another cat.  If I told you I know where there's a mother cat and 
 kittens, where could they go?  I had to find someplace to take them before 
 he showed me where they were.  The local humane society changed management 
 last year.  They are now no kill except for FIV and FeLV.  Before that they 
 killed everything.  The shelter I used to work with also changed management, 
 but that one was for the worse.   
 
 Both my husband and I have health issues.  Taking in another cat is not an 
 option.  Is anyone from the group in Michigan?  I'm in St. Clair County.  
 There are 2 rescues on the west side of the state that take FeLV+ cats, but 
 both are full.  
 
 I can't just abandon the mother cat.  Someone already did that.  But I'm 
 making an almost 50 mile round trip every day to feed her.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: lini...@fastmail.fm
 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 20:39:00 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive to negative
 
 Current thinking seems to be that the odds of a regressive infection 
 resulting in FeLV-related disease is “unlikely”. This is according to the 
 2008 AAFP Retrovirus Guidelines. Focal infections where the virus is 
 restricted to certain tissues are rare, and these infections also seem 
 unlikely to result in FeLV-associated disease. 
 
 Lance
 
 On Jul 16, 2014, at 8:29 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:
 
 Note on going negative:  sometimes the virus can become dormant and hide 
 for a while.  It can later reactivate and the cat will test positive again.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tested Positive Cat

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I think this is a personal choice that owners who have both FeLV- and FeLV+ 
must make on their own. Vaccinating negative cats does a good job of protecting 
them from the virus, but it’s not 100% guaranteed (no vaccine is). I’ve read 
it’s more like 85-90%, but I don’t have a reference in front of me. Google for 
a credible source like the American Association of Feline Practitioners.  Also, 
cats that are one year old or older have a certain *unknown* level of natural 
protection, as their immune systems are fully online. Young kittens have weak 
protection or none at all until their immune systems have matured.

Aside from the vaccine and natural protection, unvaccinated adult cats that are 
not bitten require extensive, continued exposure (mainly via mutual grooming 
and shared dishes) over a long period of time (sometimes many months) to 
contract the disease, which is why we sometimes find negatives who have been 
living with undiagnosed positives for years. I’ve seen this with my own eyes 
under my own roof.

Short version: if the negative cat is a vaccinated adult, and its relationship 
with the positive cat is friendly, the negative cat will not likely become 
infected. It’s not impossible; just not that likely.

If the proper steps are taken and all cats involved are over a year old, this 
ends up being a matter of the guardian’s comfort level. Some people are 
unnerved by the prospect, while numerous others have vaccinated negs and never 
seen them get infected despite extensive interaction with positives.

Lance

On Jul 6, 2014, at 8:48 PM, Grant, Mary A. mgr...@mofo.com wrote:

 Everything I've read about felv is that it's highly contagious not only from 
 fighting, but from saliva as well. We kept our cats separated from our felv+ 
 kitten for six weeks as they were getting the vaccinations.
 
 Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
  Original Message
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2014 7:12 PM
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 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tested Positive Cat
 
 
 WHY do you have to keep him in a their own  room?  when I got Annie and a few 
 years later, Nitnoy , everyone ate, slept in the whole house.  No one else 
 has ever tested + for felv.  They fuss, hissing, slapping, but that is the 
 extent of fighting.  That way, no one is isloated and unhappy.
 
  Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 My friend just rescued a young male cat who has tested positive for FeLv. I 
 usually foster these cats until they either turn or I keep them and allow 
 them to live their lives in a room of their own. The problem now is that I 
 don't have a room for fostering FeLv+ cats. My two spare rooms are taken 
 with other emergency fosters who will be with me for the rest of their 
 lives. One room has three of my own cats who lost a lot of weight due to 
 stress. They don't much like being with 20 other cats in the general cat 
 room so I had to isolate the Skinny Three and feed them extra. They are 
 making a come back except for Moses. I intend to take him to the 
 veterinarian this coming week. He was one of the FeLv+ cats who turned 
 negative after a 3 month stay in isolation. He has been with me for 7 years 
 now and is probably suffering from old age and other issues not related to 
 his former FeLv status. The second foster room is taken with one-eyed cats 
 who can't be
 released into my general community because they might get into fights and 
 have their remaining eye injured. Fortunately they bonded with each other 
 and enjoy the company and food.
 
 What I really need is a foster home for the rescued FeLv+ cat so he will 
 have a chance to turn negative. Does anyone know anyone in the vicinity of 
 San Antonio, Texas to Austin, Texas who could foster the latest rescue. My 
 friend has him at the vet clinic right now but she can't afford to keep him 
 there much longer. If you have a friend, relative, anyone you know within a 
 75 mile radius of San Antonio, Texas who might be willing to foster or 
 adopt, please email me at moonsiste...@yahoo.com. Thanks.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charlie

[Lance]

Hi Emily,

I’m very sorry to hear that you and Charlie are going through this. Most of us 
have been there. I remember all too well how anxiety-inducing the vet visits 
could be at times. I don’t know that I’ve ever been that acutely scared in my 
life. 

**NOTE: None of us are vets. What you’ll read below are my opinions and 
thoughts based on personal experiences with my FeLV+ girl, reading the list, 
reading other material online, and talking with various vets.**

I was surprised to read that the vet wanted to try steroids to stimulate wbc. 
That is exactly what you don’t want to do. Prednisone will lower wbc according 
to my research and my very trustworthy vet. I would not biopsy Charlie’s bone 
marrow. I don’t see how that could do any good. I think we considered something 
like that once and promptly vetoed it.

I would consider doing a chest x-ray to verify that something isn’t going on 
there. Typically, a cat will show respiratory symptoms with mediastinal 
lymphoma, but there are odd cases where that might not happen. My Ember, a 12 
year old FeLV+ at the time of her passing, developed odd breathing, pale 
membranes, and plummeting wbc. Chest x-rays showed something that was likely 
mediastinal lymphoma. We weren’t sure, but Ember had hardly eaten for four days 
and clearly did not feel well, and I was not going to let her suffer while we 
took her out of state to be diagnosed and staged. I just didn’t have the time 
to do more.

Margo’s recommendations are good ones. ImmunoRegulin, interferon, and DMG are 
affordable treatments. Unfortunately, they are not guaranteed to work. DMG and 
ImmunoRegulin do not require a prescription, but interferon does, and 
interferon will probably need to be dispatched to you by an animal pharmacy 
like Road Runner in Phoenix, AZ. I was very happy with their service. DMG is 
probably the mildest treatment of the three. I would consider it if you can get 
Charlie’s wbc stabilized. DMG would be unlikely to rock the boat (I am *very* 
sympathetic to that concern).

So… I would consider a chest x-ray, and if that doesn’t seem to show 
mediastinal lymphoma, I would consider ImmunoRegulin or interferon alpha. We 
can help you with information about those treatments if you need it. If you’re 
in an urban area, I would look into getting a second opinion or at least a 
quick 15 minute call in with another vet who has lots of experience with cats 
and infectious diseases.

Again, I’m very sorry. Best hopes for Charlie, including a rebound in wbc. 

Lance

On Jun 17, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:

 
 
 
 Dear Emily,
 
  I'm sorry, I'm not getting the emails for some reason, didn't see 
 this until it was tagged on dlgegg's answer.
 
  Have you considered ImmunoRegulin, or Interferon? DMG? I have two 
 positive cats on Interferon, and ImmunoRegulin at the Vet's office in case of 
 a crash (knock on wood we never need it.)
 
 http://www.felineleukemia.org/ireginfo.html
 
  I used Zeniquin instead of Baytril when Gribble first crashed, but 
 it's the same family. I would continue that, if the Vet is willing.
 
  NO STEROIDS, please. The last thing you want to do is immune 
 suppress an immuno-compromised cat. Since he's doing well, I would start him 
 on Interferon and DMG. Can't hurt, might help. Seemed to work for my guys.
 
 Good luck, let us know how it goes. Best to Charlie 
 
 Margo
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 I'm looking for some help in determining next steps for our cat Charlie.
 We adopted our beloved Charlie three years ago from a shelter. He is now
 about four years old. We found out in December while doing routine tests
 that he has feline leukemia (at the time trying to figure out the cause of
 his IBS- switching his food ended up doing the trick). We were quite
 surprised- at the time the only symptom that matched were his gums were
 relatively inflamed.
 
 At the end of March / beginning of April Charlie became ill. He lost
 weight and became lethargic. He kept eating but needed me to keep bringing
 his food to him in order for him to eat. He underwent different tests- the
 xrays/blood tests showed that his organs were fine. There was however some
 bacteria in his urine and so we thought it might be an infection. He also
 had a slight fever and his white blood cell count was low. We tried him on
 an injectable antibiotic initially which didn't help, but then switched him
 to Baytril to which he has responded really well.
 
 Charlie started to become sick again once he finished his first round of
 Baytril, and so we put him back on the antibiotic. He also underwent more
 tests- this time there was no bacteria in his urine but his white blood
 cell count was still low. Since this time he has stayed on Baytril (we
 tried him on a stronger antibiotic but he couldn't stomach it and so we
 stayed put).
 
 Charlie for the past few weeks has seemed incredibly well. He is vibrant,
 affectionate, and he eats

Re: [Felvtalk] Popcorn

[Lance]

I am so sorry to read this, Ben. I hope Liberty can provide some comfort during 
this sad time. Take care.

Lance

On Jun 12, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Ben Bot taro...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 Sorry, it's been an overwhelming week. It was pleural effusion, and the test 
 came back positive for lymphoma. His health plummeted within 24 hours of 
 bringing him home from the vet. We put him down about 2 hours ago. Thank you 
 all for your thoughts.
 
 Ben
 
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 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 13:17:24 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Popcorn
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 Hi Ben,
 
  You might want to ask your Oncologist about Rutin if it's pleural 
 effusion/chylothorax. The Feline Lymphoma Group has more info about it's use 
 and success.
 
 Margo
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Marsha mar...@lynxe.com
 Sent: Jun 8, 2014 11:41 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Popcorn
 
 Ben, sorry to hear about Popcorn.  Is the fluid IN the lungs, or is the
 fluid outside the lungs preventing them from expanding?  Outside the
 lungs pressing on them is called pleural effusion.  Inside the lungs
 would be pneumonia (if infection), or pulmonary edema.  If they're
 testing fluid for lymphoma, I'm guessing this is fluid in the chest
 cavity outside the lungs.  If pleural effusion, hopefully the vet drew
 off as much fluid as possible to help Popcorn breathe comfortably.
 Though, it can take some time for the lungs to fully re-expand, and they
 can be tired and achy afterwards. Unfortunately with lymphoma, it's
 possible for the fluid just to build right back up.
 
 Marsha
 (NOT a vet or vet tech, but just went through pleural effusion with
 Milkdud (R.I.P.) a few weeks ago)
 
 On 6/8/2014 3:21 AM, Ben Bot wrote:
 
  I'm new to this list, so hello.
  Popcorn spent most of yesterday at the veterinarian office, after
  decidedly bad news during his latest appointment.
  He's lost 4 lbs in the past 2 weeks, and his breathing had become
  labored, after an attempt to treat what was believed to be an upper
  respiratory infection with antibiotics.
  All the issues that he's been taken in for over the course of the year
  that he's been a member of our family suddenly make sense.
  We're currently waiting for the results of the fluid in his lungs to
  confirm lymphoma.
  I've isolated him from Liberty, as she became aggressive towards him
  on his return from the vet, and it's clear he doesn't have the energy
  to deal with her at this point.
  He is on prednisone and antibiotics to reduce the discomfort of his
  last days with us.
 
 
 
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 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 15:03:38 -0500
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thymus gland  FeLV
 Message-ID: 20140608160338.YEVUU.22524.root@pamxwww08-z01
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
 
 Really interesting, think I will get this info to my vet, although I am now 
 relying less on him since he seems to keep missing important yet vital things 
 in treating my cats.  I don't know if he is just getting tired of it all, 
 maybe just does not care as much anymore.  He missed severe constipation in 
 Casey until it was so bad she died.  She had cancer, but it was responding to 
 the tonic and she was eating much better.  I now know how to check for 
 constipation and drive my last 4 cats crazy, checking them.Missed urinary 
 tract infection in 2 others, he and an ER vet  .  I think we all need to 
 educate ourselves on the simple yet obvious problems so we can recognize 
 and treat them ourselves.  That is my soapbox  speech  for the week.
 
 
  Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:
  I was looking up human health stuff last night, meandered into info
  about the thymus.  Did you know it is largest at puberty/adolescence

Re: [Felvtalk] Noisy purr

[Lance]

Right, an echocardiogram looks at the heart. However, I’m fairly certain that’s 
all it looks at. When Ember’s symptoms of labored breathing and pale membranes 
came up, the vet wanted to send her to a clinic for an ultrasound to look at 
her lungs/mediastinum/thorax and get a fine needle aspirate of whatever it was 
that showed up on the x-rays. This is pretty difficult to do, but it can be 
done. 

On Jun 4, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for the clarification, Marsha! He got an ultrasound/echocardiogram. 
 Heart looked normal.
 
 
 On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:
 EKG or ECG is for electrocardiogram, where electrodes patches are placed and 
 electrical impulses traced to view the pattern of heart rhythm.  
 ECHOcardiogram, is an ultrasound of the heart to actually visualize the heart 
 as it's pumping.
 
 Marsha
 
 
 On 6/4/2014 11:57 AM, Katherine K. wrote:
 Actually, when I said EKG I meant ultrasound. Or, are they the same? We did 
 the xray first, then the ultrasound/EKG to get a closer look.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Alpha,

[Lance]

Hi Jetty,

You might check here for interferon alpha: http://www.roadrunnerpharmacy.com

Road Runner is an American pharmacy that specializes in medicine for animals. I 
have ordered interferon alpha from them a number of times.

I am surprised that interferon alpha, a human product, would be prohibitively 
expensive in the Netherlands, as it seems to be widely used and produced. I’m 
hoping that someone there can get it for you cheaper than it would cost to have 
it shipped overseas. 

I would seriously consider looking into Virbagen Omega, a feline recombinant 
interferon. It will be expensive, though it should be somewhat cheaper than it 
is for Americans (we need it flown overseas, overnight. VO is not given all the 
time. Usually, the doses are given over several weeks’ time, then the drug is 
discontinued. 

Virbagen Omega is the only treatment that has been proven to positively affect 
the course of the disease. All other drugs, including interferon alpha, have 
not shown any efficacy in scientific trials. See the Retrovirus Guidelines 
document available here:

http://www.catvets.com/guidelines/practice-guidelines/retrovirus-management-guidelines

Best wishes and hopes for you and your tomcat friend,

Lance

On Jun 3, 2014, at 6:45 AM, Jetty Dijkshoorn jdidu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good day to you,
 
  I am new to your forum. 2 weeks ago a sweet tomcat decided that he wanted to 
 join our group of 6 cats. Since umber 7 seemed a bit too much I found him a 
 new owner but before given her this lovely guy. I went for a check up at the 
 vet. He saw that he suffered from amnesia and tested him on feline leukemia 
 and unfortunately this test turned out positive. As he is doing much better 
 now than 2 weeks ago. He gained a  lot of weight and starts playing again I 
 want to try to keep him healthy as long as possible. Looking for medicatons I 
 landed on your very informational website. I think I want to start by giving 
 him interferon alpha but this is very expensive in my country.
 
 I saw that a liquid interferoon should not be that expensive, but the island 
 pharmacy website is no longer in the air. Have you got another company and 
 website where I could buy this medication? If I go for treatment in the 
 Netherlands it will cost me 5 times as much.
 
 Thank you for your advise and keep up the good work.
 
 Jetty Dijkshoorn
 Holland
 jdidu...@dubai.com
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Alpha,

[Lance]

You’re welcome. I only wish I could help more.

30ml of interferon alpha costs me about $45 in the US. That includes shipping, 
I think. 

How is the tomcat’s anemia? Did the vet run new blood work to see if his 
feeling better correlates to a rise in red blood cell values?

Interferon alpha could be expensive over the long run, just because you (or the 
new owner) would be buying it monthly. If I was in your situation (particularly 
being in Europe), and my cat had presented with anemia, I would look into 
Virbagen Omega instead. This drug is available in France, so it seems like it 
should be available throughout western and central Europe. 

Virbagen Omega is made for cats, and according to the literature we have, it 
makes a difference in survival time. Interferon alpha is a human drug, and the 
only evidence we have that it helps is anecdotal, not scientific. I’m not 
saying it doesn’t help. I just lost my FeLV+ girl, Ember, who had the virus for 
a minimum of eight years, and she did very well. I used interferon alpha on 
her. But, Virbagen Omega is not available here, and it costs a lot of money to 
get it sent over, so we used what was available.

Bottom line: I’m encouraging you to see if you can get Virbagen Omega in the 
Netherlands. If you can, and if the price-to-dose isn’t prohibitive, it would 
seem (according to what the literature says) that you would be better off 
giving the tomcat the limited number of doses of Virbagen Omega as opposed to 
keeping him on interferon alpha from here on out. But you (and the new owner) 
must do what feels right and what makes sense. 

If your vet is uncertain about interferon alpha and unfamiliar with Virbagen 
Omega, I would call around to find someone who has more experience. At the 
least, you could consult with them and get a “second opinion”. 

Best regards,

Lance

On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Jetty Dijkshoorn jdidu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Lance,
 
 thanks so much for your reply, very much appreciated. I checked on the 
 internet and found 10 ug at eur 152,00 at a webshop. Is that a price which 
 sounds reasonable to you as I have no clue at all. Talked to my vet this 
 afternoon and he was not that positive about using interferon. Wallie seems 
 to be doing right now he is eating a lot and is feelling much better than 
 when I let him in. The vet prescribed him antibiotics and a prednisone 
 treatment. If necessary will give him this interferom as well,
 
 Waiting for your feedback,
 
 Kind regards,
 Jetty Dijkshoorn
 
 
 
 2014-06-03 18:12 GMT+02:00 Lance lini...@fastmail.fm:
 Hi Jetty,
 
 You might check here for interferon alpha: http://www.roadrunnerpharmacy.com
 
 Road Runner is an American pharmacy that specializes in medicine for animals. 
 I have ordered interferon alpha from them a number of times.
 
 I am surprised that interferon alpha, a human product, would be prohibitively 
 expensive in the Netherlands, as it seems to be widely used and produced. I’m 
 hoping that someone there can get it for you cheaper than it would cost to 
 have it shipped overseas. 
 
 I would seriously consider looking into Virbagen Omega, a feline recombinant 
 interferon. It will be expensive, though it should be somewhat cheaper than 
 it is for Americans (we need it flown overseas, overnight. VO is not given 
 all the time. Usually, the doses are given over several weeks’ time, then the 
 drug is discontinued. 
 
 Virbagen Omega is the only treatment that has been proven to positively 
 affect the course of the disease. All other drugs, including interferon 
 alpha, have not shown any efficacy in scientific trials. See the Retrovirus 
 Guidelines document available here:
 
 http://www.catvets.com/guidelines/practice-guidelines/retrovirus-management-guidelines
 
 Best wishes and hopes for you and your tomcat friend,
 
 Lance
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 6:45 AM, Jetty Dijkshoorn jdidu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Good day to you,
 
  I am new to your forum. 2 weeks ago a sweet tomcat decided that he wanted 
 to join our group of 6 cats. Since umber 7 seemed a bit too much I found him 
 a new owner but before given her this lovely guy. I went for a check up at 
 the vet. He saw that he suffered from amnesia and tested him on feline 
 leukemia and unfortunately this test turned out positive. As he is doing 
 much better now than 2 weeks ago. He gained a  lot of weight and starts 
 playing again I want to try to keep him healthy as long as possible. Looking 
 for medicatons I landed on your very informational website. I think I want 
 to start by giving him interferon alpha but this is very expensive in my 
 country.
 
 I saw that a liquid interferoon should not be that expensive, but the island 
 pharmacy website is no longer in the air. Have you got another company and 
 website where I could buy this medication? If I go for treatment in the 
 Netherlands it will cost me 5 times as much.
 
 Thank you for your advise and keep up the good work.
 
 Jetty Dijkshoorn

Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Alpha,

[Lance]

Don’t worry. Your vet would have to order any of these drugs for you, so you 
won’t be the only one involved in the decision. 

Here in America, we still have vets who advocate euthanizing these cats. If I 
had euthanized my Ember when I discovered she was FeLV+, I would have missed 
out on over eight years of time with her, and she did really well for the 
majority of that time. 

I’m not a vet, and without knowing more, I couldn’t give much good advice, but 
having a red blood cell count that’s 1/3 of normal doesn’t seem like a good 
sign. Wally may end up needing a transfusion or Epogen (a red blood cell 
building drug). 

My advice:

1) Watch Wally like a hawk until you can get a better idea about his blood 
count over time.

2) Consider what options are available to you locally. Virbagen Omega is made 
in France by Virbac. It seems like it ought to be more reasonable (at least 
than it is here). I don’t think you would be importing it from the UK, and we 
know scientifically that it does *some* good.

3) Most importantly, talk to a vet who has knowledge of the disease and has 
treated it before. A cat clinic might be a good place to start. If your current 
vet knows about interferon alpha and is unsure about using it, that’s one 
thing. If your current vet is unfamiliar with interferon alpha or treating 
FeLV, that would encourage me to seek out someone with more experience and 
knowledge.

Best wishes for Wally.

Lance

On Jun 3, 2014, at 3:04 PM, Jetty Dijkshoorn jdidu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Lance,
 Thanks again for all your help. I am considering to give him the Virbagen 
 Omega. He is only a very tiny guy so the costs would be ok. My vet is not 
 convinced about the effect of interferon and that in respect to the total 
 cost, he wanted to try the cheaper way first.  Wally is really doing ok now 
 but the vet told me that his red blood cel value was only 1/3 of the normal 
 value. But any way I see a lot of progression in his behaviour and his looks 
 since the day he came. I think I will wait for this cure to end and then take 
 a decision on the interferon. One of my nephews is a vet, think I could try 
 to get it through him. I am a bit scared to take my own decision on this 
 behind the back of my vet. 
 
 
 
 2014-06-03 20:56 GMT+02:00 Lance lini...@fastmail.fm:
 You’re welcome. I only wish I could help more.
 
 30ml of interferon alpha costs me about $45 in the US. That includes 
 shipping, I think. 
 
 How is the tomcat’s anemia? Did the vet run new blood work to see if his 
 feeling better correlates to a rise in red blood cell values?
 
 Interferon alpha could be expensive over the long run, just because you (or 
 the new owner) would be buying it monthly. If I was in your situation 
 (particularly being in Europe), and my cat had presented with anemia, I would 
 look into Virbagen Omega instead. This drug is available in France, so it 
 seems like it should be available throughout western and central Europe. 
 
 Virbagen Omega is made for cats, and according to the literature we have, it 
 makes a difference in survival time. Interferon alpha is a human drug, and 
 the only evidence we have that it helps is anecdotal, not scientific. I’m not 
 saying it doesn’t help. I just lost my FeLV+ girl, Ember, who had the virus 
 for a minimum of eight years, and she did very well. I used interferon alpha 
 on her. But, Virbagen Omega is not available here, and it costs a lot of 
 money to get it sent over, so we used what was available.
 
 Bottom line: I’m encouraging you to see if you can get Virbagen Omega in the 
 Netherlands. If you can, and if the price-to-dose isn’t prohibitive, it would 
 seem (according to what the literature says) that you would be better off 
 giving the tomcat the limited number of doses of Virbagen Omega as opposed to 
 keeping him on interferon alpha from here on out. But you (and the new owner) 
 must do what feels right and what makes sense. 
 
 If your vet is uncertain about interferon alpha and unfamiliar with Virbagen 
 Omega, I would call around to find someone who has more experience. At the 
 least, you could consult with them and get a “second opinion”. 
 
 Best regards,
 
 Lance
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Jetty Dijkshoorn jdidu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Lance,
 
 thanks so much for your reply, very much appreciated. I checked on the 
 internet and found 10 ug at eur 152,00 at a webshop. Is that a price which 
 sounds reasonable to you as I have no clue at all. Talked to my vet this 
 afternoon and he was not that positive about using interferon. Wallie seems 
 to be doing right now he is eating a lot and is feelling much better than 
 when I let him in. The vet prescribed him antibiotics and a prednisone 
 treatment. If necessary will give him this interferom as well,
 
 Waiting for your feedback,
 
 Kind regards,
 Jetty Dijkshoorn
 
 
 
 2014-06-03 18:12 GMT+02:00 Lance lini...@fastmail.fm:
 Hi Jetty,
 
 You might check here for interferon alpha

Re: [Felvtalk] general list issue

[Lance]

Thank you, James. I really miss her. She was such a sweet, good friend. 

Also, thanks for looking into the list issues. Sometimes site  migrations bring 
along a few hiccups.

Lance

On Jun 1, 2014, at 5:21 PM, James G Wilson phaedru...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hey all, 
 
 Sorry for the delay. I have fixed both the 'reply-to' 
 problem and the archive issue. New messages should 
 have Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org as the reply-to 
 address, and they should start showing up in the archive 
 now. Lance, I am so sorry to hear about Ember... After 
 seventeen years of doing this list, such news is still hard 
 to read... Please let me know if there are any other issues 
 that need taken care of. I will try to attend to them ASAP. 
 Best wishes to everyone.
 
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 http://weather62702.us (Weather for Springfield, IL)
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] 2 new felv kitties

[Lance]

Immunofluorescence Antibody Assay. Generally speaking, if a cat tests positive 
on an IFA, it means that the cat will be positive for life. I’ve never done an 
IFA for Ember, but I feel pretty confident that she’d test positive, as she had 
a number of positive ELISAs. 

There’s more information (than you might want to know) in this PDF:

http://www.catvets.com/public/PDFs/PracticeGuidelines/RetrovirusGLS.pdf

Ember has been living with the virus for at least eight years—just another 
reminder that FeLV+ status is not a “death sentence”. 

Best hopes for the sister and brother.

Lance

On Mar 14, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Lori Taddonio ltad...@aol.com wrote:

 Can you tell me what IFA is? I have a sister and brother that I rescued and 
 they both tested positive. Thanks for your help.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 14, 2014, at 3:38 PM, zoephotomo...@aol.com wrote:
 
 I'll send a link and you hv this one. 
 I found a person to talk to who knew about felv. That's how I got the best 
 info for me and another gal too. U will hear many variations from everyone. 
 FIND SOMEONE who knows what they are talking about like she suggested IFA 
 next step.
 I had IFA done on Kala and she tested neg! YEAH!
 Mine had already comingled, so I let them continue, but were not using the 
 same food dishes.
 Cats 1 + yrs hv natural ability to shed felv.
 If my girl got bad off I was allowing her to die bc quality of life is more 
 important then quantity for me.I've been on interferon for hep c and u feel 
 like death warmed over!
 I hope that this helps~
 Janda like panda
 
 
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 Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:56 am
 Subject: [Felvtalk] 2 new felv kitties
 
 
 
 
 Ugh...we have 2 my stepdaughter brought in recently.  I had the boy, approx 
 one year, tested while he was being neutered. Outwardly he appears fine but 
 has mouth lesions.  Had the two girls, about 6 months old, tested. One 
 tested pos and one neg.   The pos girl had uri but bounced back quickly.   
 
 We're trying to raise money for a holistic vet.  Have y'all had better or 
 worse luck with holistic vs. regular vets?   I have the two positive kitties 
 isolated, is it safe to let the negative girl in with the (vaccinated) 
 negatives?   I know some of y'all mix but I'm not ready for that.
 
 I have gotten so much conflicting information from various vets it is 
 crazy. The low cost spay neuter clinic recommended immediate euthanization. 
 Didn't even mention the ifa - I had to insist on it.  Unfortunately it 
 turned out pos as well.  The holistic vet was much more positive and said 
 she'd had quite a few turn neg. 
 
 We're also raising funds for them. I spent over 1,000 in vet bills out of my 
 own pocket last month and can't do that again.
 
 Also, I did ask about interferon. The holistic vet said they would gladly do 
 it but it was an older treatment she had found expensive and of very little 
 benefit.
 
 We have appointments for both of them with the holistic vet next Wednesday. 
 
 Below is their fundraising link - please give or share or both. I'm thinking 
 of making a fundraising page for them also. 
 
 
 https://www.youcaring.com/nonprofits/help-merlin-and-coco/145925
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vitamins Recommendation

[Lance]

Check http://onlynaturalpet.com. They should have a lot to choose from. 
Thorne Research seem to be a good brand (I’m taking one of their 
multivitamins), and they make pet vitamins as well.

I’ve never given Ember vitamins. She’s only gotten DMG, interferon, and 
Transfer Factor, and the only one of those we’ve been consistent with is 
interferon. 

How are your cats doing, Kasia?

Lance

On Jan 22, 2014, at 10:28 PM, kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hello Group,
 
 I was wondering if anyone could recommend good vitamins for felv+ cats? 
 
 Thank you so much,
 Kasia
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Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

[Lance]

Praying for Bear. Hoping that Christmas Day finds him feeling better.

Lance

On Dec 24, 2013, at 6:15 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

 Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he is 
 killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him on a 
 high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is really 
 bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not think they 
 are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a transfusion 
 and they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And 
 doxycycline.
  
 Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many 
 issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline 
 interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for is 
 prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well to 
 the transfusion and the cyclosporine.
  
 thank you,
 Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils

[Lance]

Anisocoria can be an indicator of FeLV presence, though I don’t think it 
indicates progression of the disease in any way that we know about. Ember 
developed anisocoria almost five years ago, when she was seven. I haven’t taken 
her to a specialist, but we ruled out toxo. At times, the vet has thought that 
the pupil has gotten a bit smaller, but I’ve never seen a real change. 

Lance

On Dec 20, 2013, at 9:44 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 
 I just noticed my 10 year old FeLV cat, Krammer, has uneven pupils. He had a 
 winky/weepy eye a couple of weeks ago for a few days, where he had some 
 drainage and one eye was squinty with a smaller pupil. It cleared up on it's 
 own after a few days (I give him lysine). A day or two ago it came back, this 
 time the other eye (if I recall correctly). The affected eye is squinty, 
 third eyelid shows a little, and one pupil is small while the other pupil 
 looks normal.  I'm not sure if this is just a herpes flare up, or something 
 else. He first tested positive about 6 months ago. I found the term 
 anisocoria while searching this list archives. Gonna research a little more. 
 
 Second question:
 One of my 8 month old FeLV kittens, Shmoo, began having what I would call 
 labored or heavy breathing 2 days ago. I can see his sides and nose moving as 
 he breathes. He is a little less active, and last night he coughed/wheezed a 
 little and his paw pads, usually pink (he's a white cat), looked slightly 
 purple, like he's not getting enough oxygen. He looked pink again this 
 morning. Gonna take him in, but wanted to mention it here too in case anyone 
 has input. 
 
 Thanks,
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[Felvtalk] on another note...

[Lance]

The bite seems to be about the same as it was yesterday, though maybe a little 
less red where the actual teeth penetration occurred. Fortunately, no pink 
lines are other odd marks have showed up near the wound. I didn’t go to the 
clinic, since things look like they’re doing well. My health has been a little 
funky for the last six months, but I feel like my immune system is in 
reasonably good shape. 

Anyway, some of you may remember that my FeLV+ (Ember) probably bit an FeLV- 
(Callie) who hasn’t been vaccinated since her kitten days seven years ago. 
Callie, who was almost definitely FeLV- before this encounter, tested negative 
at 37 days post-exposure, but she wasn’t retested at the usual 90 day mark. 
She’s my mom’s cat, and my mom is reluctant to test. I think she just doesn’t 
want to know. While I understand that, the anxiety from not knowing 
occasionally really gets to me, and there are things we could do for Callie to 
prolong her life, despite what my parents seem to think.

Callie has had bouts of diarrhea since the encounter. I don’t know if she had 
anything like this before it, as I didn’t really pay close attention to that 
aspect of her life. She had frequent runny poops in June and July (around the 
time of the negative FeLV test), then the frequency went down, **as far as I 
know and have been told**. 

Since around August, the runny poops hit daily for one to three days every 
three to four weeks. Again, this is from what I can gather. Earlier today, 
Callie had a normal poop, but in the same bowel movement, there was some watery 
stool on top of the normal stuff. If she’s positive, what could this be, other 
than lymphoma? If she ISN’T positive, then what might this be? Very odd that it 
happens every few weeks.

Thanks,

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Re: [Felvtalk] on another note...

[Lance]

Good point. I’ve been wondering about the possible pattern nature of this, too, 
Lee. I don’t know what would fall into that, other than possibly a flavor of 
the food they eat gets rotated in that does this. As far as I know, there’s 
nothing environmental that would account for this. Just not sure. 

I’m sorry to hear about Bunny. FeLV seems so random, and the ELISA doesn’t 
always seem reliable. I worry that Callie’s initial negative test was false. I 
think a PCR test could potentially catch an otherwise invisible infection, but 
I’m pretty sure those aren’t offered here in the US. I’m glad Moses is still 
doing well. My FeLV+ girl is over 11 1/2 years old, and no matter how she got 
it, she was definitely persistently infected as of March 2006. She has minor 
sneezing issues on occasion, and she used to get diarrhea very rarely. 
Otherwise, she’s pretty normal—for a cat, anyway. ;-)

On Dec 15, 2013, at 9:39 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 With Callie's weird stools, I don't feel it would be lymphoma. More likely, 
 if it happens on a schedule, as you said every few weeks, it's environmental. 
 Does your mom have the house cleaned with something that Callie could inhale 
 or ingest? Does she buy different cat foods for the cats? Maybe run out of 
 one cat food, buy another every few weeks? Check out things like that.
 
 Well, I'm not a big fan of testing any more. My poor Bunny was tested when 
 she was brought to me and was positive for FeLv. I kept her more than the 
 required time, retested and she was negative. We all cheered. She lived with 
 me a little under a year from then. She came as an 8 month old teen, was 
 spayed and given the rabies vaccine. Stayed healthy after her retest until 
 October of this year. Then she just faded. She stopped playing, stopped being 
 a silly nuisance to Delilah and Samson and finally stopped eating. I took her 
 to the vet because I noticed her gums looked pale. Not flea anemia. He 
 retested her and she was positive for FeLv. He explained that maybe the first 
 test was a false negative or maybe the virus was lurking in the bone marrow 
 as well as the regular place in the blood. He gave her a vitamin shot, gave 
 her anti-biotic shot and she seemed to rally for a couple of days, ate a bit, 
 then on Oct. 31 she just lay down in the bed I made for her on the floor and 
 passed away. So, tests are just that - tests but they are not crystal balls 
 and can't predict what will happen to a cat in the future when it comes to 
 FeLv. Bunny would have been two years old in April, 2014. On the other hand, 
 Moses, who overcame the positive FeLv diagnosis and turned negative, is still 
 with me after 7 years.
 
 
 
 On Sunday, December 15, 2013 5:10 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 The bite seems to be about the same as it was yesterday, though maybe a 
 little less red where the actual teeth penetration occurred. Fortunately, no 
 pink lines are other odd marks have showed up near the wound. I didn’t go to 
 the clinic, since things look like they’re doing well. My health has been a 
 little funky for the last six months, but I feel like my immune system is in 
 reasonably good shape. 
 
 Anyway, some of you may remember that my FeLV+ (Ember) probably bit an FeLV- 
 (Callie) who hasn’t been vaccinated since her kitten days seven years ago. 
 Callie, who was almost definitely FeLV- before this encounter, tested 
 negative at 37 days post-exposure, but she wasn’t retested at the usual 90 
 day mark. She’s my mom’s cat, and my mom is reluctant to test. I think she 
 just doesn’t want to know. While I understand that, the anxiety from not 
 knowing occasionally really gets to me, and there are things we could do for 
 Callie to prolong her life, despite what my parents seem to think.
 
 Callie has had bouts of diarrhea since the encounter. I don’t know if she had 
 anything like this before it, as I didn’t really pay close attention to that 
 aspect of her life. She had frequent runny poops in June and July (around the 
 time of the negative FeLV test), then the frequency went down, **as far as I 
 know and have been told**. 
 
 Since around August, the runny poops hit daily for one to three days every 
 three to four weeks. Again, this is from what I can gather. Earlier today, 
 Callie had a normal poop, but in the same bowel movement, there was some 
 watery stool on top of the normal stuff. If she’s positive, what could this 
 be, other than lymphoma? If she ISN’T positive, then what might this be? Very 
 odd that it happens every few weeks.
 
 
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[Felvtalk] OT: cat bite

[Lance]

Hi everyone,

During play, one of our cats bit me earlier today. I tried to get to an urgent 
care clinic, but they decided to stop seeing people at 4:30 pm. despite listing 
hours as 9-5. Real nice. ;-) 

Anyway, I’m wondering how worried I should be. A lovely pic of the bite can be 
seen here:

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s201/sh/fc76bb30-31ff-40ed-80b1-4f499d5461e4/4adec821f3519913f482848c4c5f730b

It seems much more superficial and “scratchy” rather than being a deep puncture 
wound, and FYI, you’re looking at my right arm about two inches above my elbow.

We have doxycycline in the house, but the last time I was bitten, I took 
augmentin. Would prefer to do that, but I’m out of luck for the night, unless I 
feel like a high-costing trip to the ER (I’m currently inusrance-less, as luck 
would have it).

Has anyone used doxy for cat bites? What symptoms around the bite should I be 
looking for that indicate its seriousness? I can get in to the urgent clinic 
tomorrow morning at 9, and the bite happened this afternoon at 3:45. Hopefully 
that gives me a little time. I know that none of you are MDs (well, I don’t 
know that for sure), but would appreciate input.

Thanks,

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite

[Lance]

Also:

a) I had a tetanus shot in June

b) I washed the bite wound with hot water and soap

c) The bite hardly hurt after the initial teething into my flesh was completed. 

On Dec 14, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 
 During play, one of our cats bit me earlier today. I tried to get to an 
 urgent care clinic, but they decided to stop seeing people at 4:30 pm. 
 despite listing hours as 9-5. Real nice. ;-) 
 
 Anyway, I’m wondering how worried I should be. A lovely pic of the bite can 
 be seen here:
 
 https://www.evernote.com/shard/s201/sh/fc76bb30-31ff-40ed-80b1-4f499d5461e4/4adec821f3519913f482848c4c5f730b
 
 It seems much more superficial and “scratchy” rather than being a deep 
 puncture wound, and FYI, you’re looking at my right arm about two inches 
 above my elbow.
 
 We have doxycycline in the house, but the last time I was bitten, I took 
 augmentin. Would prefer to do that, but I’m out of luck for the night, unless 
 I feel like a high-costing trip to the ER (I’m currently inusrance-less, as 
 luck would have it).
 
 Has anyone used doxy for cat bites? What symptoms around the bite should I be 
 looking for that indicate its seriousness? I can get in to the urgent clinic 
 tomorrow morning at 9, and the bite happened this afternoon at 3:45. 
 Hopefully that gives me a little time. I know that none of you are MDs (well, 
 I don’t know that for sure), but would appreciate input.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite

[Lance]

Thanks for your thoughts, everyone. Almost six hours later, the bite seems to 
be about the same, from what I can tell. I’m leaning in the direction of going 
to the clinic in the morning, but I’ll wait to see what the bite looks like 
before deciding. Any further thoughts are always welcome. Hope the holidays are 
shaping up nicely for everyone and their feline friends.

Lance

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 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 Lance
 Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 7:08 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 During play, one of our cats bit me earlier today. I tried to get to an
 urgent care clinic, but they decided to stop seeing people at 4:30 pm.
 despite listing hours as 9-5. Real nice. ;-) 
 
 Anyway, I'm wondering how worried I should be. A lovely pic of the bite can
 be seen here:
 
 https://www.evernote.com/shard/s201/sh/fc76bb30-31ff-40ed-80b1-4f499d5461e4/
 4adec821f3519913f482848c4c5f730b
 
 It seems much more superficial and scratchy rather than being a deep
 puncture wound, and FYI, you're looking at my right arm about two inches
 above my elbow.
 
 We have doxycycline in the house, but the last time I was bitten, I took
 augmentin. Would prefer to do that, but I'm out of luck for the night,
 unless I feel like a high-costing trip to the ER (I'm currently
 inusrance-less, as luck would have it).
 
 Has anyone used doxy for cat bites? What symptoms around the bite should I
 be looking for that indicate its seriousness? I can get in to the urgent
 clinic tomorrow morning at 9, and the bite happened this afternoon at 3:45.
 Hopefully that gives me a little time. I know that none of you are MDs
 (well, I don't know that for sure), but would appreciate input.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] research on feline interferon alpha

[Lance]

LTCI is an American-made product and is *not* an interferon. I’m referring to 
feline recombinant interferon omega that has the trade name of Virbagen Omega, 
originally manufactured by Virbac. Glad to hear that LTCI may have helped your 
cat, Katherine.

Shelley: You might consider supplementing with DMG. Vetri Science makes a 
liquid and a chewable. The chewable also contains lysine. Ember likes the 
chewable, but the liquid is easy to give via eyedropper (we used that for many 
years). I don’t think it has any taste. Ember doesn’t seem to care. Either form 
is fairly cheap, and certainly less expensive per dose than even the human 
interferon. Amazon has both for sale.

On Nov 12, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Thanks, I'll check out the link and archives.
 
 Shelley
 
 
 On Nov 12, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Katherine K. wrote:
 
 No, I don't think so but honestly can't remember the difference without 
 looking it all up again. Try searching the listserv archives. You can find 
 out more about LTCI at http://tcyte.com/.
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Thanks Katherine.  So LTCI is the same thing Lance is referring to as  
 feline recombinant interferon omega ?
 Shelley
 
 
 On Nov 12, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Katherine K. wrote:
 
 Hi Shelley and Jennifer,
 
 When my 10 yr old cat was first diagnosed in July, I found this forum to be 
 helpful in learning about LTCI: 
 http://910pets.com/forum/topics/feline-leukemia?xg_source=activityid=2127871.
  It's not very active now, but it's a good resource and folks will still 
 respond to you if you post there.
 
 My cat was running a fever, had gone from 13 lbs to 11.5, wasn't eating and 
 was lethargic when he was first diagnosed. I don't remember his RBC count 
 at the moment. We ordered LTCI for him and gave him 3 injections in the 
 first week, then went to once a week for 2 weeks, then once every 2 weeks 
 for a few weeks, and now he gets it once a month. He has returned to his 
 normal self. He was also on a low dose of prednisone for a month. I don't 
 know which medicine helped pull him out of the woods but I'm glad to keep 
 trying the LTCI if it keeps him healthy. It costs me about $50 per 
 injection though so it's not something I'm financially able to try on my 4 
 positive kittens.
 
 Katherine
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Lance,
 Thanks so much for explaining the difference between the 2 interferons.  I 
 did not realize that there were 2 types.  I had asked Leo's new vet about 
 using it as a preventative, and  since she could easily get interferon, now 
 I know that it was  the human one.  Anyway, he is not symptomatic right 
 now, so the only thing I give him occasionally is Lysine.
 Shelley
 
 Shelley Theye
 ve...@bellsouth.net
 
 
 
 On Nov 11, 2013, at 8:50 PM, Lance wrote:
 
 I think the de Mari feline recombinant interferon omega study was done 
 with symptomatic FeLV+ cats. I think. If I already had interferon omega 
 and Ember was symptomatic, I would definitely try it. I know very little 
 about what is suggested with LTCI (symptomatic vs. asymptomatic for 
 treatment). Their website should mention this.
 
 To clarify, there are two types of interferon given for FeLV+ cats: 1) 
 interferon alpha (a product for humans that has anecdotally shown promise, 
 but studies have failed to verify this) and 2) feline recombinant 
 interferon omega (anecdotal evidence AND studies have shown promise).
 
 It’s easy to get #1 from pretty much any vet. They can write a 
 prescription and have it filled by Roadrunner or another pharmacy that 
 does drugs/compounding for pets. It’s also cheap. I think it’s ~$40 for a 
 month and a half supply using the 5 days on/5 days off protocol.
 
 It’s somewhat difficult and expensive to get #2.Your vet has to go through 
 an FDA program that used to be called Compassionate Use. This allows your 
 vet clearance to import feline recombinant interferon omega, which they 
 need, as it’s not sold in the US. There’s paperwork involved, though I 
 don’t think it’s horrible. A dedicated, compassionate vet will do this for 
 you. You then have to pay (through your vet) Abbeyvet In England for the 
 drug and the overnight shipping—overnight from England. When I last priced 
 this, it was ~$1300 for the drug and the shipping. I believe this is for 
 something like 15 doses, but that’s all you give in a year, according to 
 the established protocol. At least with feline recombinant interferon 
 omega, you know you have something that has been proven to work, unlike 
 other drugs I could mention. Will it produce results for a particular 
 FeLV+ cat? Maybe?
 
 If Pookie is doing well, then I agree: don’t rock the boat. You might 
 still look into what it would take to get feline recombinant interferon 
 omega imported. Your vet might never have heard of it, and it might be 
 useful to ask them to look

Re: [Felvtalk] research on feline interferon alpha

[Lance]

I’m pretty sure that several people on this list have tried LTCI on their cats. 
I don’t recall much being reported, but there are times I don’t read the list 
closely. I’m somewhat skeptical that it does much, but it’s more because the 
company seems to mainly concern itself with marketing. I’d love to see clinical 
testing managed by a competent third party (I always think of Cornell here).

Anecdotally, a local FIV+ owner was pleased with LTCI treatment for her cat, as 
its sneezing was reduced or went away after treatment. I don’t know anything 
else about the case. If blood values improved, that might be interesting, but 
just knocking down one symptom (as far as I know) doesn’t strike me as all that 
miraculous. I had my vet look into getting it for my FeLV+, and while she found 
the presented information interesting, she also thought things seemed a little 
shady and unscientific. 

Feline recombinant interferon omega is the only drug we know of that has been 
scientifically shown to provide improvement in FeLV+ cats. This is according to 
the research paper on managing retroviruses released by the AAFP in 2008. Note: 
I have no stock in Virbac or anyone else who handles it. In fact, the companies 
handling feline recombinant interferon omega are also on my list for not 
working harder to get the drug approved in the States. It’s not solely the 
FDA’s fault that it’s not available domestically. As it’s not approved here, 
one has to deal with red tape and expensive, overnight cold shipping.

Lance

On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Jennifer Lewis blonded...@mac.com wrote:

 Has anyone tried any other the other meds out there, like Lymphocyte T-Cell 
 Immunomodulator (LTCI)?
 
 Jennifer L, Munchkin and Brynn
 
 
 
 On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote:
 
 http://goo.gl/uT6Evb
 
 not new to most of us, but always good to see things get the official 
 recognition. tho it does end as most research articles do, more research is 
 needed.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] research on feline interferon alpha

[Lance]

I think the de Mari feline recombinant interferon omega study was done with 
symptomatic FeLV+ cats. I think. If I already had interferon omega and Ember 
was symptomatic, I would definitely try it. I know very little about what is 
suggested with LTCI (symptomatic vs. asymptomatic for treatment). Their website 
should mention this.

To clarify, there are two types of interferon given for FeLV+ cats: 1) 
interferon alpha (a product for humans that has anecdotally shown promise, but 
studies have failed to verify this) and 2) feline recombinant interferon omega 
(anecdotal evidence AND studies have shown promise).

It’s easy to get #1 from pretty much any vet. They can write a prescription and 
have it filled by Roadrunner or another pharmacy that does drugs/compounding 
for pets. It’s also cheap. I think it’s ~$40 for a month and a half supply 
using the 5 days on/5 days off protocol.

It’s somewhat difficult and expensive to get #2.Your vet has to go through an 
FDA program that used to be called Compassionate Use. This allows your vet 
clearance to import feline recombinant interferon omega, which they need, as 
it’s not sold in the US. There’s paperwork involved, though I don’t think it’s 
horrible. A dedicated, compassionate vet will do this for you. You then have to 
pay (through your vet) Abbeyvet In England for the drug and the overnight 
shipping—overnight from England. When I last priced this, it was ~$1300 for the 
drug and the shipping. I believe this is for something like 15 doses, but 
that’s all you give in a year, according to the established protocol. At least 
with feline recombinant interferon omega, you know you have something that has 
been proven to work, unlike other drugs I could mention. Will it produce 
results for a particular FeLV+ cat? Maybe? 

If Pookie is doing well, then I agree: don’t rock the boat. You might still 
look into what it would take to get feline recombinant interferon omega 
imported. Your vet might never have heard of it, and it might be useful to ask 
them to look into it. If you decide to do it down the road, you have that much 
less work to do to get it here.

On Nov 11, 2013, at 6:48 PM, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote:

 I took Pookie to the one of four vets in Wisconsin who has done LTCI 
 injections, but Pookie was sick, running a temp, and not eating when he was 
 seen. So he wasn't a candidate for the injection. Do the FELV+ kitties need 
 to be symptom free before they administer this? Also is this the same with 
 the interferon shots? And does anyone know who administers interferon in 
 Wisconsin? My inclination is if it isn't broken don't fix it...If Pookie is 
 doing well, I don't want to mess with him. And he is doing great now since he 
 had acupuncture. Seems so hit or miss with all this??
 
 
 On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Jennifer Lewis wrote:
 
 Has anyone tried any other the other meds out there, like Lymphocyte T-Cell 
 Immunomodulator (LTCI)?
 
 Jennifer L, Munchkin and Brynn
 
 
 
 On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote:
 
 http://goo.gl/uT6Evb
 
 not new to most of us, but always good to see things get the official 
 recognition. tho it does end as most research articles do, more research 
 is needed.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?

[Lance]

+1 for Feline Pine.

On Nov 10, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi Tina -
 
 SWeat Scoop also harden to a cement-like texture that is horribly difficult 
 to get out . I had to take a hammer to it.
 You might want to try Feline Pine. Some cats don't like the texture, but it 
 doesn't have the dust. Also World's Best (corn based) or the new Blue Buffalo 
 (Walnut Based). My cats  I like the BB best. 
 I also if your litter box is covered, but that can cause asthmatic problems.
 
 Beth
 
  
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 From: Tina Smith mit...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:56 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?
 
 Hi all,
 
 I have an FeLV+ kitty.  He has been mostly healthy but is currently going 
 through something that is causing a lot of coughing.  We have noticed that he 
 seems sensitive to the drier air of winter and perhaps has some environmental 
 allergies.  In addition to other things we are doing I am trying to find a 
 dust-free cat litter for him.  Last night I spent a small fortune on 
 SWheatScoop litter and was appalled to see all of the dust that went flying 
 when we put it in his litter pan.  So much for dust-free.  Has anyone here 
 had luck finding a litter that is good to use for our FeLV+ sweeties?
 
 I'll also tell you a little more about what he's going through in case 
 anybody has some insight into what might be causing it.  The vet wasn't 
 helpful.  Just gave him a Convenia antibiotic injection but couldn't say what 
 the problem might be except possibly pleural effusion.  Darwin is coughing a 
 lot - a little like the hairball cough but not exactly.  He seems to be 
 breathing mostly okay through his nose, although I have noticed occasionally 
 that there does seem to be a little congestion.  There has been no open-mouth 
 breathing.  He had a bout of diarrhea for a couple of days this past week but 
 seemed to get over that.  Now I think he might actually be constipated.  When 
 he coughs nothing comes out but he does swallow as if he has coughed a little 
 something up and then swallows it. I have almost wondered if he might have an 
 obstruction but it does seem to be affecting his breathing some.  I haven't 
 been able to pinpoint any triggers.  He has coughed after drinking water, he 
 has coughed when the heat was on, he has coughed right after using the litter 
 box.  But he has also coughed when he's just resting on the bed and nothing 
 is going on.
 
 Any insight would be so welcome.
 
 Thank you,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?

[Lance]

I highly recommend a chest x-ray. If you have a vet that does digital 
radiography, that would be even better, as it should have a higher resolution 
than the old-style film x-rays, and the vet can store it digitally and easily 
compare to future scans, should your kitty need them.

On Nov 10, 2013, at 8:56 AM, Tina Smith mit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I have an FeLV+ kitty.  He has been mostly healthy but is currently going 
 through something that is causing a lot of coughing.  We have noticed that he 
 seems sensitive to the drier air of winter and perhaps has some environmental 
 allergies.  In addition to other things we are doing I am trying to find a 
 dust-free cat litter for him.  Last night I spent a small fortune on 
 SWheatScoop litter and was appalled to see all of the dust that went flying 
 when we put it in his litter pan.  So much for dust-free.  Has anyone here 
 had luck finding a litter that is good to use for our FeLV+ sweeties?
 
 I'll also tell you a little more about what he's going through in case 
 anybody has some insight into what might be causing it.  The vet wasn't 
 helpful.  Just gave him a Convenia antibiotic injection but couldn't say what 
 the problem might be except possibly pleural effusion.  Darwin is coughing a 
 lot - a little like the hairball cough but not exactly.  He seems to be 
 breathing mostly okay through his nose, although I have noticed occasionally 
 that there does seem to be a little congestion.  There has been no open-mouth 
 breathing.  He had a bout of diarrhea for a couple of days this past week but 
 seemed to get over that.  Now I think he might actually be constipated.  When 
 he coughs nothing comes out but he does swallow as if he has coughed a little 
 something up and then swallows it. I have almost wondered if he might have an 
 obstruction but it does seem to be affecting his breathing some.  I haven't 
 been able to pinpoint any triggers.  He has coughed after drinking water, he 
 has 
 coughed when the heat was on, he has coughed right after using the litter box. 
 But he has also coughed when he's just resting on the bed and nothing is going 
on.
 
 Any insight would be so welcome.
 
 Thank you,
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Re: [Felvtalk] need home for FELV cat in Ft. Smith, Arkansas

[Lance]

I’m in Fort Smith, but I can’t take anyone in right now. I’ll do some checking 
with my limited contacts and see if I come up with an option. If the woman 
would like to talk to an FeLV+ owner, I’d be happy to email or call. 

On Nov 9, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 A friend's mother has taken in an FELV cat in Ft Smith, Arkansas. They found 
 out when she was on the table being spayed.  Her daughter talked her out of 
 euthanizing the kitty.
 
 I told her I'd help look for a home for this kitty.  Lance, are you still in 
 that area?  I know there used to be a Missouri rescue, also, that took FELV 
 cats, too.
 
 Thanks for any suggestions!
 
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[Felvtalk] Fwd: dermatitis, steroids, and FeLV+ cats

[Lance]

Thanks, Margo. That does help.

Anyway, the vet found a flea on Ember when she ran a flea comb over her, as 
well as some flea dirt. She’s not infested, obviously, but we treated her with 
Frontline, and my mission today is to clean the rooms thoroughly, wash bedding, 
and probably air out the cat trees. Hope this ends up helping her. Very strange 
that she would have fleas, but that certainly seems to be the cause of all this.

On Nov 8, 2013, at 7:41 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:

 
 
My FeLV+ Pixel is currently on 5 mg prednisolone tablets. The dosing 
 was 1 tablet twice a day for 1 week, 1 tablet once a day for one week, then 
 1 tablet EOD until gone. There were 30 tablets (we're on week 2). It might 
 not be really iportant with such short term use, but I've always had any 
 pred prescribed with a tapering dosage, to wean them off without a sudden 
 stop.
 
 From this VINpartner article; 
 http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?A=622
 
 Prednisone and prednisolone are commonly used for several weeks or even 
 months at a time to get a chronic process under control. It is important 
 that the dose be tapered to an every other day schedule once the condition 
 is controlled. The reason for this is that body perceives these hormones and 
 does not produce any of its own. In time, the adrenal glands will atrophy so 
 that when the medication is discontinued, the patient will be unable to 
 respond to any stressful situation. A circulatory crisis can result. By 
 using the medication every other day, this allows the body's own adrenal 
 glands to remain active.
 
 HTH
 
 Margo
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: trustinhi...@charter.net
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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] dermatitis, steroids, and FeLV+ cats
 
 Yes, it was two tablets a day as I remember. She wasn't on then 
 longmaybe two weeks. But it all cleared up beautifully. She had 
 allergy issues so bad there were times when she was just raw all over. I 
 am pretty sure it was prednisone or other steroid meds. My vet is in 
 southern Illinois if that helps.
 
 
 On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Lance wrote:
 
 Hi Carolyn,
 
 Was the pred given in tablet form? I haven’t had to use any steroids 
 on any animal so far.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Lance
 
 On Nov 6, 2013, at 10:47 AM, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote:
 
 Lance, My Bell had the same condition. She was an older cat and not 
 FELV+. I tried the steroid shots several times. It would clear up for 
 a few weeks after and then back again. I finally found vet who knew 
 how to treat her with prednisone -- a fairly strong dose, for over 2 
 weeks. It cleared up and never came back. It isn't fleas. Carolyn
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Lance wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 My Ember has had dermatitis for about two months now. A month ago, 
 the vet gave her a Convenia shot, and that didn’t seem to change 
 things much. I gave her 2mg of chlor trimeton twice a day for five 
 days, and that hasn’t changed anything substantially. She has 
 lesions on her neck and shoulders, and there also must be some near 
 her backside, as she’s licked some hair off her legs, lower tail, 
 and stomach.
 I should note that I’m 99.9% certain this has nothing to do with 
 fleas. Ember has no exposure to other animals or the outside (she’s 
 isolated in a set of rooms on the second floor of this house), I 
 have seen no fleas on her, and I haven’t had any jump on me. The vet 
 found none on her when she went in a month ago.
 
 I spoke to the vet today, and she mentioned that they usually give 
 cats with this type of dermatitis a steroid injection, but that she 
 worries about doing that to Ember, given her FeLV+ status. The vet 
 did say that, rather than an injection, we could try tablets. That 
 would at least allow us to control how much exposure Ember gets. 
 Right now, this doesn’t seem to be life-threatening. I’m wondering 
 what others have done in this situation.
 Thanks,
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] dermatitis, steroids, and FeLV+ cats

[Lance]

Hi Carolyn,

Was the pred given in tablet form? I haven’t had to use any steroids on any 
animal so far.

Thanks,

Lance

On Nov 6, 2013, at 10:47 AM, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote:

 Lance, My Bell had the same condition. She was an older cat and not FELV+. I 
 tried the steroid shots several times. It would clear up for a few weeks 
 after and then back again. I finally found vet who knew how to treat her with 
 prednisone -- a fairly strong dose, for over 2 weeks. It cleared up and never 
 came back. It isn't fleas. Carolyn
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Lance wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 My Ember has had dermatitis for about two months now. A month ago, the vet 
 gave her a Convenia shot, and that didn’t seem to change things much. I gave 
 her 2mg of chlor trimeton twice a day for five days, and that hasn’t changed 
 anything substantially. She has lesions on her neck and shoulders, and there 
 also must be some near her backside, as she’s licked some hair off her legs, 
 lower tail, and stomach.
 I should note that I’m 99.9% certain this has nothing to do with fleas. 
 Ember has no exposure to other animals or the outside (she’s isolated in a 
 set of rooms on the second floor of this house), I have seen no fleas on 
 her, and I haven’t had any jump on me. The vet found none on her when she 
 went in a month ago.
 
 I spoke to the vet today, and she mentioned that they usually give cats with 
 this type of dermatitis a steroid injection, but that she worries about 
 doing that to Ember, given her FeLV+ status. The vet did say that, rather 
 than an injection, we could try tablets. That would at least allow us to 
 control how much exposure Ember gets. Right now, this doesn’t seem to be 
 life-threatening. I’m wondering what others have done in this situation.
 Thanks,
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] dermatitis, steroids, and FeLV+ cats

[Lance]

Thanks, Shelley. Ember is 11.5 years old (born 4/22/02).

I don’t think anything has been changed that might cause this. I’m not sure 
what this means, but when I spoke to the vet about this yesterday, she said, 
“It’s been a bad season for this.” I live in west-central Arkansas. I have no 
idea what we have here other than humidity.

Heat’s been running, but I’m not sure that it was back when this started. I 
don’t think the dermatitis is psych. related, but the licking might be. I’ve 
wondered about Xanax, but I’ll let the vet come to that conclusion on her own. 

I’ll check the links you sent, and I’ll ask the vet about thyroid issues. We’re 
doing a blood test to check some other values, so maybe we’ll have an idea from 
that. 

Lance

On Nov 6, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Hi Lance,
 
 Sorry about Ember's skin problems.  How old is she?
 
 I would try to think back to before this started, and see if there were any 
 changes at all, new cat bed, new food/treats, fabrics, laundry detergents on 
 bedding in rooms she is in, etc.  Have you used anything on your hands- 
 lotions/soaps that may transfer
 to her fur and irritate her when petting?
 Maybe there is something in her environment that she is sensitive to in that 
 respect?  
 
 My non FeLV long term foster cat that I have to keep separate from my fear 
 aggressive cat recently licked a lot of fur off near 
 the base of his tail, definitely not flea related.  I realized that it was 
 most likely from a homeopathic remedy I was putting on him.
 It had some alcohol as preservative in it, from Jackson Galaxy store.  I was 
 trying it to see if it might help me 
 integrate him with my others.  He has a very sensitive stomach, so didn't 
 tolerate a few drops in food, so I started putting 
 about 4-5 drops on top of his head/ears/shoulder blade area, and then seemed 
 to still be on my hands after I spread it out, so the 
 remainder I put towards his lower back.  I am thinking it must have bothered 
 him so he began licking that area since
 he could reach there.  
 
 Could it be a type of OCD behavior, maybe boredom?  Not sure where you live, 
 but maybe if you have started using heat
 due to temps getting chillier, dryness from that?
 
 Has the vet done any blood work, etc?  Not sure how old Ember is, but there 
 is a whole list on a google search of various
 things that can cause lesions and hair loss.  Hyperthyroidism can cause these 
 symptoms.  Here are just a few of the 
 websites that I found with info.
 
 http://manhattancats.com/Articles/hair_loss_in_cats.html
 http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/cat-care/skin-problems
 http://www.mustlovecats.net/Cat-Hair-Loss.html
 
 Shelley
 
 Shelley Theye
 ve...@bellsouth.net
 
 
 
 On Nov 5, 2013, at 8:34 PM, Lance wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 My Ember has had dermatitis for about two months now. A month ago, the vet 
 gave her a Convenia shot, and that didn’t seem to change things much. I gave 
 her 2mg of chlor trimeton twice a day for five days, and that hasn’t changed 
 anything substantially. She has lesions on her neck and shoulders, and there 
 also must be some near her backside, as she’s licked some hair off her legs, 
 lower tail, and stomach. 
 
 I should note that I’m 99.9% certain this has nothing to do with fleas. 
 Ember has no exposure to other animals or the outside (she’s isolated in a 
 set of rooms on the second floor of this house), I have seen no fleas on 
 her, and I haven’t had any jump on me. The vet found none on her when she 
 went in a month ago.
 
 I spoke to the vet today, and she mentioned that they usually give cats with 
 this type of dermatitis a steroid injection, but that she worries about 
 doing that to Ember, given her FeLV+ status. The vet did say that, rather 
 than an injection, we could try tablets. That would at least allow us to 
 control how much exposure Ember gets. Right now, this doesn’t seem to be 
 life-threatening. I’m wondering what others have done in this situation. 
 
 Thanks,
 
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[Felvtalk] dermatitis, steroids, and FeLV+ cats

[Lance]

Hi all,

My Ember has had dermatitis for about two months now. A month ago, the vet gave 
her a Convenia shot, and that didn’t seem to change things much. I gave her 2mg 
of chlor trimeton twice a day for five days, and that hasn’t changed anything 
substantially. She has lesions on her neck and shoulders, and there also must 
be some near her backside, as she’s licked some hair off her legs, lower tail, 
and stomach. 

I should note that I’m 99.9% certain this has nothing to do with fleas. Ember 
has no exposure to other animals or the outside (she’s isolated in a set of 
rooms on the second floor of this house), I have seen no fleas on her, and I 
haven’t had any jump on me. The vet found none on her when she went in a month 
ago.

I spoke to the vet today, and she mentioned that they usually give cats with 
this type of dermatitis a steroid injection, but that she worries about doing 
that to Ember, given her FeLV+ status. The vet did say that, rather than an 
injection, we could try tablets. That would at least allow us to control how 
much exposure Ember gets. Right now, this doesn’t seem to be life-threatening. 
I’m wondering what others have done in this situation. 

Thanks,

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bunny Passed Away This Evening

[Lance]

I’m very sorry to hear about Bunny. You did all you could for her. 

Adult cats are more resilient against infection than kittens, but we don’t 
really know just how much (a little or a lot). Since it doesn’t sound like the 
cats were constantly biting and fighting, I think it’s less likely that they’ll 
test positive. We had FeLV in our house for almost two years, and only one of 
the four cats became persistently infected.

I really don’t know what could have happened with the positive to negative to 
positive results. No one could, unless Bunny had been in a lab under constant 
scrutiny. There are latent/regressive infections that the AAFP officially 
thinks (in its paper on feline retroviruses) are unlikely to lead to illness or 
later progressive/persistent infection. Perhaps while they are unlikely to lead 
to progressive/persistent infection, this isn’t completely impossible.

It seems *extremely* unlikely that the virus could have gotten to the kitten in 
sufficient quantities to cause her to be infected, so I don’t think I would 
worry about that. I mean, I know I would personally worry, just because I do, 
but I don’t think you have a reason to, other than the obvious concern you have 
for her.

Take care, and best wishes for negative results for Samson and Delilah.

On Oct 31, 2013, at 6:49 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 She came to me two and a half years ago when she was around 9 months old. She 
 had been abandoned at an apartment complex, rescued but then tested FeLv+. 
 She was brought to me to see if she would turn negative. She did! I kept her 
 anyway because she had a few bad habits, like biting my fingers when I was 
 sleeping and trying to tear apart my iPod headphones. She was very 
 mischievous. I named her Bunny because she was brought to me on Easter 
 Sunday.  She has lived with me and two other cats in my bedroom/home office 
 since that Easter in 2011. About two weeks ago I noticed a change in her 
 behavior. She no longer pestered Delilah, the resident female cat in the room 
 and she seemed to lose interest in sleeping on the bed with me and Samson and 
 Delilah (the two other cats in the room). However she was eating normally and 
 nothing else seemed out of place. I assumed that it was the change in the 
 weather from very hot to nice, cool evenings and then to rain. On Saturday of 
 last week she seemed lethargic. She was not eating her usual amount of food 
 and not drinking her usual amount of water. I checked her gums to see if it 
 might be stomatitis or some bad tooth upsetting her but her gums were very 
 pale and so was her tongue. I immediately thought it was flea anemia. I took 
 her to the vet on Tuesday because Monday is usually very busy with dogs 
 there. She was more lethargic and depressed by then and her appetite had all 
 but disappeared. She was still drinking water. She had no fleas so I asked 
 the vet to re-test her for FeLv. Sure enough, she was positive. She had all 
 the classic symptoms of active FeLv. I was heart broken but still, I asked 
 him to give her some meds to make her more comfortable and perhaps get back 
 her appetite. He gave her cortisone. Today, she was no better. She just lay 
 on her towel and couldn't make it to the litter box although it was just a 
 few steps away. I took her in again and he gave her some fluids, not too much 
 because he said it would make her even more anemic. He gave her a little more 
 cortisone to try to kick start her appetite. I had been syringe feeding her 
 by then. He also gave her a small dose of Convenia and some B-complex but 
 nothing helped. She passed several hours after the vet visit. I probably 
 should have had him help her pass but I just didn't want to give up hope. 
 
 There is a question here, in all this upsetting dialog. My other two cats who 
 slept with me and Bunny and groomed each other, ate with each other, drank 
 and used the same litter box are around 7 years old. The vet told me that 
 once they are into adulthood, they are not as likely to get FeLv as they 
 would if they were under 2 years old. Is this true? I will have them tested 
 in about 3 weeks anyway to see what happened, if anything. Also, has anyone 
 had the experience of a young cat throwing off the virus and turning 
 negative, then turning positive again after a year, or was that second test 
 after I had held her in isolation for 4 months a false negative?
 
 Right now I'm fostering a kitten who has tested negative for FIV/FeLv. She is 
 several rooms away from where Bunny has lived. They never came in contact 
 with each other but I have walked from my bedroom into the kitten's room to 
 feed, clean, etc.. Did I put her at risk?
 
 This is desperately upsetting. I have decided not to take in any more fosters 
 with FeLv. I have never had this happen before. Most of my turned cats are 
 still with me and are well into several years of adulthood. I usually don't 
 have good results with getting 

Re: [Felvtalk] Gum redness

[Lance]

Pet Tinic will help if she’s anemic, the others are immune boosters. DMG is 
fairly proven to generally boost the immune system but it’s mild, Transfer 
Factor is unproven but people use it anyway, and interferon is similar. I’d 
start with DMG. It should be harmless (you can find a lot of info about it 
online). Still, best to talk to your vet to get their approval. 

On Oct 30, 2013, at 7:20 AM, Avaykn ava...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,
 
 Thank you so much, she gets :
 lysine 500mg a day 
 a feline multivitamin, Tabby tabs, 
 Missing link amino supplement
 Mush a powdery mix of mushrooms
 Is there anything else I might be missing to give her.
 She is at a little over 10lbs and gets canned food twice a day and dr Lisa 
 Pierson's raw chicken recipe once a day.
 Do you think adding DMG, interferon, pet tinic and/or transfer factor plus 
 would help?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Mally
 Sent from my iPhone.
 
 On Oct 29, 2013, at 23:04, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:
 
 You can get DMG without a prescription at Amazon, and
 I imagine many other places. That's where I get it.
 
 Chris C.
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Lance
 Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:32 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gum redness
 
 Just saw your post here and on the Yahoo! list, but thought that it’d be 
 better if I replied here.
 
 Before we knew my FeLV+ cat was FeLV+, her then-vet said that her gums were 
 becoming irritated, and that I needed to switch her to Prescription Diet 
 t/d. I did, and the irritation seemed to go away. She hasn't had any 
 stomatitis or gingivitis issues since then *that I know of*.
 
 I don’t know that this is the best solution to Kitty’s issue, but it might 
 be something you could look into as a supplemental option, if she’s good 
 about eating dry food and you think she’s not to the point where it hurts to 
 eat. I don’t give Ember t/d as free-fed dry food any more, but instead give 
 it to her as a treat (four or five pieces in the morning and again at 
 night). Prescription Diet is not the best food, but the texture/composition 
 of this particular formula seem to help with teeth and gum problems.
 
 I think it would be good to consider giving Kitty interferon alpha and/or 
 DMG. The latter is very inexpensive and easy to dose (either in semi-hard 
 treat form or liquid form), and it does boost the immune system a bit. Your 
 holistic vet might be able to tell you more about DMG and interferon.
 
 Best wishes for Kitty,
 
 Lance
 
 On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:16 PM, Avaykn ava...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Beth,
 Thank you so much, she gets :
 lysine 500mg a day
 a feline multivitamin, Tabby tabs,
 Missing link amino supplement
 Mush a powdery mix of mushrooms
 Is there anything else I might be missing to give her.
 She is at a little over 10lbs and gets canned food twice a day and dr Lisa 
 Pierson's raw chicken recipe once a day.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Mally
 
 Sent from my iPhone.
 
 On Oct 29, 2013, at 21:17, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 It could be the beginnings of Stomatitis. It's pretty common in the FeLV 
 kits. I've had a couple with it. Nasty stuff.  Try the L-lysine. I used 
 that with something else once  it worked great, but I can't for the life 
 of me remember what it was.
 
 Beth
 
 Avaykn ava...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 Kitty, our 16 months old FeLV positive cat is showing a little redness on 
 her gums on her bottom left incisors. I have rubbed a little liquid 
 vitamin E and she has received a dosage of Calcarea carbonica, I'm 
 working with a holistic vet, but I was wondering what if any steps have 
 any of you taken when faced with this situation.
 Thanks,
 
 Mally and Kitty
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Re: [Felvtalk] Gum redness

[Lance]

Just saw your post here and on the Yahoo! list, but thought that it’d be better 
if I replied here. 

Before we knew my FeLV+ cat was FeLV+, her then-vet said that her gums were 
becoming irritated, and that I needed to switch her to Prescription Diet t/d. I 
did, and the irritation seemed to go away. She hasn't had any stomatitis or 
gingivitis issues since then *that I know of*. 

I don’t know that this is the best solution to Kitty’s issue, but it might be 
something you could look into as a supplemental option, if she’s good about 
eating dry food and you think she’s not to the point where it hurts to eat. I 
don’t give Ember t/d as free-fed dry food any more, but instead give it to her 
as a treat (four or five pieces in the morning and again at night). 
Prescription Diet is not the best food, but the texture/composition of this 
particular formula seem to help with teeth and gum problems.

I think it would be good to consider giving Kitty interferon alpha and/or DMG. 
The latter is very inexpensive and easy to dose (either in semi-hard treat form 
or liquid form), and it does boost the immune system a bit. Your holistic vet 
might be able to tell you more about DMG and interferon.

Best wishes for Kitty,

Lance

On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:16 PM, Avaykn ava...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Beth,
 Thank you so much, she gets :
 lysine 500mg a day 
 a feline multivitamin, Tabby tabs, 
 Missing link amino supplement
 Mush a powdery mix of mushrooms
 Is there anything else I might be missing to give her.
 She is at a little over 10lbs and gets canned food twice a day and dr Lisa 
 Pierson's raw chicken recipe once a day.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Mally   
 
 Sent from my iPhone.
 
 On Oct 29, 2013, at 21:17, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 It could be the beginnings of Stomatitis. It's pretty common in the FeLV 
 kits. I've had a couple with it. Nasty stuff.  Try the L-lysine. I used that 
 with something else once  it worked great, but I can't for the life of me 
 remember what it was.
 
 Beth
 
 Avaykn ava...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello everyone, 
 Kitty, our 16 months old FeLV positive cat is showing a little redness on 
 her gums on her bottom left incisors. I have rubbed a little liquid vitamin 
 E and she has received a dosage of Calcarea carbonica, I'm working with a 
 holistic vet, but I was wondering what if any steps have any of you taken 
 when faced with this situation.
 Thanks,
 
 Mally and Kitty
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Re: [Felvtalk] confusion re felv testing

[Lance]

Regarding shoes and clothes,  do what you think is best. 99% of the time, I 
remove my shoes before coming into where my FeLV+ girl is isolated, only so I 
won't bring germs from the outside world in for her to deal with. Changing 
clothes is probably not necessary, unless you're getting sprayed by something 
with the virus in it. Just petting the cats, having them rub up against you, 
and being in the room—those things shouldn't give the virus a way to infect 
your others. The virus dries fairly quickly. But as I said, it's about doing 
what you think is best.

On Oct 16, 2013, at 12:29 PM, one23di...@aol.com wrote:

  Yes, the negatives were vaccinated.
 Since we live in a large, three story house, the negatives on are a separate 
 floor from the positives.  With a staircase and 
 glass  doors between.  Neurotically, we also change our shoes and clothes 
 when going from one level to another.
 
 
 leslie.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] virus has finally caught up with her :-(

[Lance]

Sub-q is definitely best, but I have syringed water (slowly and only about 1.5 
ml at a time) to Ember when I was concerned about her. She's been given 
interferon orally for years, so she's used to it, but if she were actually 
dehydrated, I would do sub-q in a heartbeat. I've read it makes them feel 
amazingly better.

Best wishes and hopes for your cat, Jennifer.

Lance

On Oct 9, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well she is still drinking water for now, albeit not very much.  So I guess 
 that's something.
 
 Jennifer
 
 On Oct 9, 2013 6:07 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:
 Good info Margo.  You definitely have to hydrate and keep hydrating quickly 
 Jennifer and force feed if necessary.  Keep Amoxcillan (sp) on hand at the 
 very least but I suggest talk to your vet and buy/keep several different 
 types on hand with his/her help on determining which to start and when.  Good 
 luck.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Ember-blood work concerns

[Lance]

Thanks, Shelley. I'll talk to the vet about diet changes. I'm looking up  
Weruva right now. 

Lance 

On Sep 15, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Hi Lance,
 
 I just wanted to mention that my cat Jack, who does not have FeLV but does 
 have heart disease and FLUTD, had high triglycerides a few years ago.  That 
 was when I was feeding grain free food with a high fat content.  The vet 
 wanted to do an abdominal ultrasound to check pancreas, etc., but I was 
 worried about the stress if he had to be on his back, etc, with his heart 
 disease, so even though I usually do whatever the vet suggests, I decided to 
 just wait and recheck blood work a month or so later, and they said I could 
 find a lower fat diet for him.  Anyway, after switching to a very low fat 
 grain free canned food, Weruva Paw-lickin Chicken, his triglycerides went 
 back to the normal range.  I think they were up in the 600's?  Can't recall 
 for sure and don't have the paperwork in front of me, and then went back to 
 somewhere in the mid normal range.  
 
 So don't really know what caused his elevated triglycerides, but guessing it 
 might have been diet related, at least for him, since they responded to the 
 diet change, unless was just coincidence.
 
 Shelley 
 
 
 On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Lance wrote:
 
 It's been a little while since I've posted about my 11 yro FeLV+ girl, 
 Ember. We did blood work for her in late May, and her BUN and lipase levels 
 were elevated. Creatinine was still within normal limits. Did a urine test, 
 and she was concentrating her urine just fine.
 
 Yesterday, I took her in for skin problems she's having, which the doc 
 thinks is dermatitis. We also ran blood work on her. Her BUN is now 45 (was 
 39), creatinine still normal, lipase high, and her triglycerides are now 
 high. I don't have numbers for everything, but the blood work results should 
 arrive this weekend. 
 
 I will probably collect urine next week to test specific gravity again. 
 Otherwise, I'm not sure of what to do. The doc says elevated lipase 
 indicates pancreatitis in dogs, but isn't quite as definitive in cats. I did 
 a little reading earlier, and I saw something about adding digestive enzymes 
 to food, and that this might help with the lipase and triglyceride levels. 
 Has anyone done this? Also, has anyone seen high BUN with normal creatinine 
 and good specific gravity? 
 
 Please let me know what you think.
 
 Thanks,
 
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[Felvtalk] Ember-blood work concerns

[Lance]

It's been a little while since I've posted about my 11 yro FeLV+ girl, Ember. 
We did blood work for her in late May, and her BUN and lipase levels were 
elevated. Creatinine was still within normal limits. Did a urine test, and she 
was concentrating her urine just fine.

Yesterday, I took her in for skin problems she's having, which the doc thinks 
is dermatitis. We also ran blood work on her. Her BUN is now 45 (was 39), 
creatinine still normal, lipase high, and her triglycerides are now high. I 
don't have numbers for everything, but the blood work results should arrive 
this weekend. 

I will probably collect urine next week to test specific gravity again. 
Otherwise, I'm not sure of what to do. The doc says elevated lipase indicates 
pancreatitis in dogs, but isn't quite as definitive in cats. I did a little 
reading earlier, and I saw something about adding digestive enzymes to food, 
and that this might help with the lipase and triglyceride levels. Has anyone 
done this? Also, has anyone seen high BUN with normal creatinine and good 
specific gravity? 

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,

Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] Positive cat

[Lance]

To add to what everyone else is saying, many people vaccinate negatives and let 
them mingle with positives. Other than the possibility of bites, the virus 
requires close, persistent contact to be passed on even to an unvaccinated neg. 
Kittens that haven't had a chance to develop any immune response are at 
greatest risk. I would definitely consider vaccinating and letting them mingle. 

My positive cat is over 11 years old, and she tested positive when she was just 
a month shy of turning four years old. She has a few odd symptoms, but she has 
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[Felvtalk] Long term storage of a lymphoma chemotherapy drug

[Lance]

MC pointed this out on the Yahoo! FeLV list. It may prove handy for anyone who 
is dealing with a kitty with lymphoma.

http://winnfelinehealth.blogspot.com/2013/08/long-term-storage-of-lymphoma.html?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FaQiIZ+%28Cat+Health+News+from+the+Winn+Feline+Foundation%29
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Re: [Felvtalk] IFA tests/PCR tests

[Lance]

If I understood the AAFP retrovirus guidelines paper, PCR tests are the only 
test that will show regressive infection. Theoretically, regressive infections 
rarely if ever surface. In other words, a true negative on ELISA/IFA should not 
go positive later on down the line.

Testing, like vaccination, is not ironclad guaranteed in results, but it's 
still useful for bringing in new cats and adopting them out. It's a shame that 
IFA and PCR testing is so expensive. Probably not too bad for an owner of one 
cat, but for rescuers… 

Hopefully we'll have better diagnostics someday, but most everything with FeLV 
feels stuck in the status quo of 2005.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Tests advice

[Lance]

CBC if she's never had one. Otherwise, it probably depends on what the vet sees 
in her physical appearance. Have them check her teeth and gums, too. I hope 
Kitty is back to normal very soon.

Lance

On Aug 6, 2013, at 8:55 AM, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
 
 Hi everyone,
 I hope everyone is well.
 Kitty, FeLV +, who is now one year old has had a good year. She is on 
 lysine, a fungi mush powder, tabby tabs multivitamin and is fed canned food 
 for one meal, dr  Pierson homemade poultry recipe for another meal and raw 
 rabbit for another meal. 
 She is growing and is now a little over 10lbs.
 Since Sunday afternoon she has been a bit off, not as eager to eat her food 
 (usually she is very food oriented) or laying under the bed and not coming 
 out unless its calm and quiet. I feel it's because this weekend and 
 yesterday were a bit stressful, vacuuming and some loud voices. 
 This morning she was more like herself but I'm still taking her to the vet 
 tomorrow afternoon. I also work with a holistic vet but she is on vacation 
 this week. I know taking her to the vet will stress her and the holistic vet 
 recommended only going in emergencies but I'm concerned and the last time 
 she went to a regular vet was in March.
 Do you have any recommendations in general and an specific tests to have 
 done while at the vet?
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bad News

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I'm so sorry that you got such bad news about Polli, Amanda. I'll be thinking 
of you and your boyfriend. I know this is incredibly hard for both of you, but 
you're also giving her a release from FIP; an end to her suffering. Thank you 
for taking such good care of her. She got a chance because of you, and she was 
cared for and loved.

Lance

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 Hi everyone,
 
 We took Polli in to a new vet today to get something new to treat her URI.  
 She had a bad reaction to Clavamox and we were looking for a new vet who 
 would be more aggressive and open minded with her treatments.
 
 We found a great vet, one I used to go to when I lived on the other side of 
 town.  He was optimistic about her treatment and was confident we could get 
 her over this URI.  However, he noticed that her belly is distended.  He did 
 a tap and diagnosed her with FIP (another disease I have already dealt with 
 before).  Her skin and gums are also very jaundiced. He says it appears her 
 body is shutting down.
 
 We made an appointment to euthanize her at our home tomorrow afternoon.  
 She's been on a decline for the past two weeks and feel it's time to help her 
 go.  
 
 Please keep us in your thoughts.
 
 Best,
 -Amanda
 
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