[Felvtalk] Struvite crystals
What I a everyone's opinion on the best food and best way to treat a cat that has continual problems with struvite crystals? Thanks Marcia Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
I think some cats can react to oregano oil and some don't. I wouldn't try it. My vets always recommend a very mild bleach and water dip once a week for 3 weeks. But Lyme sulfur dip works well too! It's the spores that makes it SO hard to get rid of. By the way, the bleach and water ratio is 2 TBLSP Of regular bleach to a gallon of water. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad On Dec 18, 2013, at 9:08 PM, KG BarnCats kgbarnc...@gmail.com wrote: Can oregano oil be used on cats? A friend has two kittens with awful ringworm. So far Program and Vetericyn haven't done much. (Gave her some Vibactra Plus tonite to try boosting the kittens' immune system.) On Tuesday, December 17, 2013, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I'm actually more into natural and homeopathic then conventional medicine. Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(: On Dec 17, 2013, at 6:07 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Dec 17, 2013 12:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite I am leary of drs. who want to see/know about herbs, etc. as they might report you for practicing medicine without a license. Unless one is charging for services, simply suggesting or selling a legal product probably presents no legal issue. I've had mixed results with alternative therapies, but don't hesitate to try them, after considerable research. It's probably best to tell your Allopath about anything you're taking, no matter how safe, as some herbal remedies and products can significantly affect physiology. Which means they work :) All the best, Margo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils
I can tell you from experience that sometimes an uneven pupil can be caused by an ear infection. Good luck with your babies(-: Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(: On Dec 20, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to say - Krammer has an appointment for Monday morning with his usual vet, but I could take him tomorrow if needed. I am not sure how urgent it is. On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I just noticed my 10 year old FeLV cat, Krammer, has uneven pupils. He had a winky/weepy eye a couple of weeks ago for a few days, where he had some drainage and one eye was squinty with a smaller pupil. It cleared up on it's own after a few days (I give him lysine). A day or two ago it came back, this time the other eye (if I recall correctly). The affected eye is squinty, third eyelid shows a little, and one pupil is small while the other pupil looks normal. I'm not sure if this is just a herpes flare up, or something else. He first tested positive about 6 months ago. I found the term anisocoria while searching this list archives. Gonna research a little more. Second question: One of my 8 month old FeLV kittens, Shmoo, began having what I would call labored or heavy breathing 2 days ago. I can see his sides and nose moving as he breathes. He is a little less active, and last night he coughed/wheezed a little and his paw pads, usually pink (he's a white cat), looked slightly purple, like he's not getting enough oxygen. He looked pink again this morning. Gonna take him in, but wanted to mention it here too in case anyone has input. Thanks, Katherine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
Yes, I'm actually more into natural and homeopathic then conventional medicine. Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(: On Dec 17, 2013, at 6:07 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Dec 17, 2013 12:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite I am leary of drs. who want to see/know about herbs, etc. as they might report you for practicing medicine without a license. Unless one is charging for services, simply suggesting or selling a legal product probably presents no legal issue. I've had mixed results with alternative therapies, but don't hesitate to try them, after considerable research. It's probably best to tell your Allopath about anything you're taking, no matter how safe, as some herbal remedies and products can significantly affect physiology. Which means they work :) All the best, Margo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
I use them too...you can type the number, color and type of pill it is ( round, oblong tablet or capsule. You will find that they are all generic human antibiotics. I have used them on my cats and dogs for years. And myself. But they must be used with respect.(-: Sent from my iPad On Dec 16, 2013, at 6:20 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I use vet, bird, aquarium antibiotics frequently. They are exactly the same as human drugs and you save a bundle of money! Lorrie On 12-15, Jill Eisenbraun wrote: I recently had an abscessed tooth and treated it with aquarium antibiotics, the triple sulfa powder you can buy in any aquarium shop. Worked like a charm and only cost me $13! Jill and kitties ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
Honestly the one thing that I use for infections most is Oregano Oil. Take it by mouth and use it on the wound. My son in law had MRSA on his arm. They cut it out and sent him home. My daughter started using oregano oil in his wound. And also upped his protein intake. At the next appt with the infectious disease specialist, the Dr said she had never seen anyone heal so fast! She asked if her team could come in and take a look at how well the oregano oil worked on the wound. It also kills ringworm extremely fast on humans. Another is Vetericyn. It's fantastic(-: Happy Holiday everyone(: Marcia Sent from my iPad On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:29 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, this is the real American Dream, to be able to treat yourself like a fish if you haven't any money while those who have money are keeping most of us from being treated like humans due to overpricing of medications and very little affordable health insurance. AndI'm off my soap box and back to my litter boxes. On Monday, December 16, 2013 6:26 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I use vet, bird, aquarium antibiotics frequently. They are exactly the same as human drugs and you save a bundle of money! Lorrie On 12-15, Jill Eisenbraun wrote: I recently had an abscessed tooth and treated it with aquarium antibiotics, the triple sulfa powder you can buy in any aquarium shop. Worked like a charm and only cost me $13! Jill and kitties ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT - using humans
You guys just made me giggle(-: Sent from my iPad On Sep 13, 2013, at 4:39 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Yum! And the choices for Population Control Pate can be Burglar Beef in Gravy, Rapist Shreds and WifeBeater Bits all formulated for nutritional balance by Friskems Criminal Cat Food Company. And for the fat cat who really loves Premium Food at a high price, you can have Politician Pate and Pork Barrel Pork. From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT - using humans What a great idea, and not just naturally deceased humans for cat food, but child molesters, rapists, etc. Entirely too many humans are degenerates who would make excellent cat chow!! On 09-11, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: and when do they start using deceased humans as an acceptable source of protein. They already use animals euthanized by humane society. I think it is time for God to put an end to us, we do not deserve to live on this beautiful planet that we are in the processing of destroying. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
LOL Lee, you always make me smile(-: Sent from my iPad On Aug 25, 2013, at 11:00 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I still vote for the cream for athletes foot. I used it years ago on a cat named Munchkin for spots of fur loss. Didn't know it was ringworm, just whisked my fingers through it and hadn't a clue. Took him to the vet and the vet said ringworm. Eeek! But I never contracted it. Vet said I was probably exposed to it as a child and was immune. Whatever . I did use Program prophylactically on some of my own cats who were exposed to a rescued kitten I was fostering who was diagnosed with ringworm. No one caught it from him. Actually, ringworm is self limiting. The cats lose fur, their immune system kicks in if they are relatively healthy and the hair loss stops, the little whorls heal up and cat is good to go again. But if you like a messy, greasy cat, ask your vet about the athletes foot cream. Worked in a medical office for a good part of my early years. They used gentian violet for female herpes. Yow! I bet that was no fun. And of course, it didn't help much. Sadistic male gynecologists. From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm Hi, I'm even older than you... I'm 80 and in the 1940's when I had ringworm, the treatment was just alcohol. I remember screaming when my mom put alcohol on my ringworm because it burned so much. It got rid of the stuff tho. Medicine didn't taste good in those days either. We got castor oil, and all sorts of awful tasting remedies. BTW go for the purple hair. My hair is thin too, so maybe I'll try it :-) Lorrie On 08-23, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: BETH - Now that I am 73 and have gone thru 4 different chemos, my hair is thinning. Guess I will have to find some gentian Violet and paint my head purple. I will fit in with all the younger crowd who like all colors of hair. Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote: Original Program (flea medicine) works. Only has to be given once - twice at the most. Susan Saunders Bengal Rescue Louisville, KY http://www.bengalrescuenetwork.org/ 502-494-8669 Join bengalcatrescue-subscr...@yahoogroups.com From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm Wow. Maybe you have accidentally discovered a cure for thinning hair :) Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://www.furkids.org/ On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:49 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: As long as it works, that is what is important. I know this is a bit late, but been busy taking care of Lil Bit, giving fluids, meds and syringe feeding. All to no avail, she passed last Friday. When I was a child, I got ringworm and my doctor (an old vet who went to Vienna and trained for people meds) used gentian violet on my head. It was purple, but got rid of the ringworm. Ever since then, the hair on that part of my head is curlier and thicker. Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: When we took in a cat with ringworm, the first vet prescribed an expensive oral medication (something like Griseofluvin). We sought the advice of a different vet who gave the cat a shot of antibiotics and recommended we use lime sulfur dips. It took a while, but it did clear up. The dips are messy and stinky, but effective. Good luck. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
My vet says to use 2 tblsp bleach to 1 gallon of water. And the vet from Revival Animal Health said he used 3 TBLSP to a gallon. I use lime sulfur dips or veterycin. I had it all over me last year. I had it from June until December. Did a lot of laundry and cleaning(-; By the way, oregano oil works very well on humans. Wish I would have tried it last year! Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(: On Aug 23, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, Program does work great. And I think you only give it once of twice. Yes, the liquid oral meds are extremely toxic. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm Google for the Program flea medicine for cats, it also controls ringworm. My rescue friend says it worked great on a bunch of ringwormy kittens rescued from the kill shelter. Kg - Reply message - From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] ringworm Date: Fri, Aug 23, 2013 12:51 am You can also use a cream for athletes foot. As your vet what the safe amount would be on cat skin. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm As long as it works, that is what is important. I know this is a bit late, but been busy taking care of Lil Bit, giving fluids, meds and syringe feeding. All to no avail, she passed last Friday. When I was a child, I got ringworm and my doctor (an old vet who went to Vienna and trained for people meds) used gentian violet on my head. It was purple, but got rid of the ringworm. Ever since then, the hair on that part of my head is curlier and thicker. Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: When we took in a cat with ringworm, the first vet prescribed an expensive oral medication (something like Griseofluvin). We sought the advice of a different vet who gave the cat a shot of antibiotics and recommended we use lime sulfur dips. It took a while, but it did clear up. The dips are messy and stinky, but effective. Good luck. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the group
Terri I have one right now that loves tomatoes! So unusual! I also have to hide mine or there will be BIG bites taken out of every one. And canned tomatoes, she licks the can! Terri, I have no positive cats right now either, but I love all of these people. And the combined knowledge here about ANYTHING feline, is phenomenal. Please take care. Sent from my iPad On Jul 3, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: LOL Lee! Siggie LOVED tomatoes. I could never figure that outbut he would eat them! Anytime I made tomato sauce for pasta, he'd pester me to death and wouldn't leave me alone until I gave him a little piece of the tomato! The first time I discovered his love for tomatoes, he did to a bag of them what your baby did to the bread! I went to bed with garden fresh tomatoes in a bag on the table (given to me by a friend), and the next morning, there were chewed up, gutted tomatoes all over the apartment! LOL Terri - Original Message - From: Lee Evans To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the group Terri - I just love that Tomato Vampire that you added to Siggie angel's name. I still have a vampire cat. He's a bread vampire. I cannot leave an unguarded loaf of bread anywhere in sight. He once got into the laundry room where I left a couple of bags of groceries, including a bag with a loaf of whole wheat bread. When I returned, you can guess what had happened. Bread EVERYWHERE! Slices on the washing machine, on the dryer, mixed in with a turned over bag of clothes to be washed, all with bite marks. The Bread Vampire had struck big time. His real name is Bitsie. A tuxedo darling. I wouldn't trade him for all the loaves of bread in Whole Foods Market. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the group I haven't had any FeLV+ cats since 2005, and I'm still lurking about! This is the best list -- some of the folks here have been here a long time. =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^= - Original Message - From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the group Absolutely right Lee. I love this group and I'd never leave even if I lost my last FelV cat. Lorrie On 07-02, Lee Evans wrote: Losing an FeLv+ cat either by the cat passing away or wandering away is not a good reason to leave this list. At the present time I don't have any FeLv+ cats living with me although I have a few FIV+ ones. But I have not quit the list because new information is always cropping up and it's good to know it for the future. Also, these people feel like friends, as well as other issues are always discussed that effect cats in general. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Callie
Me too. I'm not trying to downplay your feelings at all. I just hate to see you be so hard on yourself over this. I tend to do the same and I just need someone to point it out. Give positive vibes, it will help her more than you being stressed(-: Take care Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(: On Jun 24, 2013, at 7:12 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Thanks, everyone. Please keep our tabby girl (Callie) in your thoughts and prayers. A bite is very serious, and I suspect that the loose stools mean she's dealing with the infection. Hoping she ends up as a negative. Lance On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lance We don't have control over everything. C'mon, yours on this list, that means you love your cat! And as far as I'm concerned, anybody that loves cats the way all of us do, is a damn good human being. -: Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(: On Jun 24, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi everyone, Please pray for my mom's cat, Callie. I mentioned her here a few weeks ago, after my FeLV+ cat, Ember, bit Callie when she accidentally got into Ember's room. Callie has had soft stools for the last four days, and there was blood on her stool on Saturday. Since Callie hasn't been vaccinated since she was a kitten, she probably has no immunity from that route. She is 7 years old, and I'm hoping that she'll be able to deal with the virus better having a more mature immune system. People talk about age resistance with FeLV, but I don't think it can be relied on. I'm dealing with an incredible amount of guilt over this. I love Callie like I love Ember. She's one of my favorite cats ever. It was my fault that she got into Ember's room, and it's my fault that Ember is still here with my parents. It's also my fault that we didn't vaccinate Callie, as I worried about vax site sarcoma for Callie, and the few run-ins that had happened between the two cats over the last seven years were always brief and friendly. I also feel guilty as, if I'd just gotten in the room (quite literally) a minute or so sooner, this wouldn't have happened. Please pray that Callie can fight the virus so that she isn't persistently infected, and please pray for me. I'm dealing with a lot. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] We let Bubba go.
I'm so sorry Beth. It's always so hard to let them go. They bring so much to our lives. Bury him in your heart. Take care Beth Marcia Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(: On Jun 24, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: We did the ultrasound Friday. It showed enlarged spleen kidneys. Vet thinks spleen was probably cancerous. I was not putting him through any more. He had just been laying around for 2 1/2 weeks, mostly having to be force fed. I did that with my 1st FeLV I said I would never do it again. I did it at 1st because he had a URI I knew he could get over that. But once that was gone he didn't get better as far as activity eating. It was a really sad decision. I had had a tough time with him at first because he peed on everything. Thanks to some things I learned from watching Jackson Galaxy we got him out of that habit he was becoming a total sweetheart. He just loved to walk up to you an put his head against you. Some hit you harder than others. This was pretty difficult. The lady who found him is having him cremated for me. Thanks guys for just being there. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Callie
Hi Lance We don't have control over everything. C'mon, yours on this list, that means you love your cat! And as far as I'm concerned, anybody that loves cats the way all of us do, is a damn good human being. -: Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(: On Jun 24, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi everyone, Please pray for my mom's cat, Callie. I mentioned her here a few weeks ago, after my FeLV+ cat, Ember, bit Callie when she accidentally got into Ember's room. Callie has had soft stools for the last four days, and there was blood on her stool on Saturday. Since Callie hasn't been vaccinated since she was a kitten, she probably has no immunity from that route. She is 7 years old, and I'm hoping that she'll be able to deal with the virus better having a more mature immune system. People talk about age resistance with FeLV, but I don't think it can be relied on. I'm dealing with an incredible amount of guilt over this. I love Callie like I love Ember. She's one of my favorite cats ever. It was my fault that she got into Ember's room, and it's my fault that Ember is still here with my parents. It's also my fault that we didn't vaccinate Callie, as I worried about vax site sarcoma for Callie, and the few run-ins that had happened between the two cats over the last seven years were always brief and friendly. I also feel guilty as, if I'd just gotten in the room (quite literally) a minute or so sooner, this wouldn't have happened. Please pray that Callie can fight the virus so that she isn't persistently infected, and please pray for me. I'm dealing with a lot. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
Lee, I love your attitude! My positive energy comes from the universe also(-: Take care Marcia Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(: On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I wouldn't worry too much, Lance. Sounds like you got the major part of the beating and the two girls are probably laughing at you. Even if fur flew, Callie has been around for a while, well fed, in good shape. In about 2 to 4 weeks you can test her. If negative, then pack up your worries. If positive, she may throw it off. I have had 3 underweight, street adults who threw it off. Make sure that finger doesn't get red and inflamed and make sure the inflammation does not travel down your hand. Don't be shy about seeing a doctor but don't tell it's a cat bite, because your doctor may feel obligated to report the animal bite. If this happens, you will then have your animal control on your back. They could actually take away your two cats for observation. Stupid things like that happen here in Texas. Sending positive energy from the Universe. And hugs for the two contenders. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 9:53 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day Hi everyone, I wanted to ask for prayers and warm thoughts for my FeLV+ girl, Ember as well as my mother's (hopefully) negative cat, Callie. Somehow, Callie got into Ember's room, not once, but twice. The first time only lasted for a few minutes, but I discovered a terrible cat fight in progress when I got back upstairs. To disrupt the chase, I grabbed Callie to remove her from the room. I got a bloody finger with three puncture marks in the process. Later, I realized I should really get abx for the bite, so my dad took me to the doctor. We were gone about an hour. When I got back, I was saddened to find that I had stupidly managed to not completely close one of the doors to our rooms, and Callie had again gotten in. I don't know that the cats fought the second time. I think Callie might have explored the normally off limits rooms. I found Ember hiding but unshaken behind some clothes, and Callie didn't act like she was on edge, but I have no idea what happened. Needless to say, I'm very concerned about Callie's possible exposure to the virus. We've had a few run-ns over the last seven years, but nothing like the fight/chase I broke up today. My hope is that Callie being seven years old puts her at low risk for infection. She hasn't had any recent vax for FeLV, but she had the FeLV (including booster) when she was a kitten. She also seems very healthy. There was actually more tough cat stuff today involving a 17 yro diabetic who had to go for a dental (this ended on a good note), and my usual concerns about Ember. The radiologist hasn't contacted the surgeon after almost a week, and Ember probably needs surgical intervention for her diaphragmatic hernia. Please think of the two girls. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Meowko passed, and interferon alpha 2b available
Catherine I am so sorry for your loss. It's heartbreaking I know. Your story is beautiful and Im sure your love for Meowko will always be with her, wherever her spirit may travel. Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(: On May 28, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Catherine, I'm so very sorry to hear that Meowko crossed the bridge. Thank you for taking the time to share your sweet story of being adopted by Meowko and the time she had with you and your husband. She will forever be in your hearts, and that's a beautiful thing. Take care. Lance On May 27, 2013, at 9:43 PM, I-Chun C. C. Chang changic...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, Thank you very much for the great support over the last several weeks. Meowko is now an angel. She crossed the rainbow bridge on May 26th, around 8:45pm US eastern daylight saving time. Her passing was peaceful, but for whole my family, our life would never be the same without her. I can't stop thinking about the day I first met Meowko back in Taipei city, Taiwan. It was not me who adopted Mewoko; it was Meowko who adopted me. That was also a beautiful May day. She jumped into my window during dinnertime demanding the fish entree in my bento. From that day, she came every night, until one day she decided to stay and never left again. I didn't know anything of cats back to that time. I was actually very afraid of cats when I was little as in many Asian legends cats are evil. So I turned to one of my friend's friend who I knew he took care of street cats for years, asking tips about how to be a cat parent. This friend became my boyfriend, later my husband. Meowko traveled with us all the time, from Taiwan to the US 7yrs ago, and from Minnesota to Connecticut last year, not to mention those shorter trips/research trips over these years. She was good at taking airplanes, riding for week-long road trip, and had always been calm in front of anything. She was the perfect cat a geographer can ever dream for, and I always believe herself was a cat geographer as well. We have always been saying that she probably taught geography in feline schools when her humans were in sleep. We are going to arrange a witness of Meowko's cremation on Wednesday. She will always in our hearts...She is survived by her two humans and her 7 yrs old littermate, Jaja, who also jumped into our window several years later. Although Meowko had been sick over these years as she was getting old, she had a very good quality of life until the day before yesterday. She was deeply loved by many people who knew her, from many places around the world. I hope I could have had a little more time with her... I have already missed her so terribly. Along with some ckd medical supplies, Meowko left about 20 days' supply of interferon alpha 2b oral liquid 100 IU/ml strength available (expiration date, June 20th, 2013). If anyone needs it, we are in eastern Connecticut, you’re welcome to pick it up or we can drop off in reasonable traveling distance. Or I can mail it to you, the only thing I ask would be that you pay for the shipping as it requires cool pack overnight shipping.) Please give your babies extra hugs for us. All the furry friends on this listserv are strong fighters as Meowko. I am sorry to report back today that Meowko didn't win her battle, but it doesn't mean others can't win. With the knowledge and support from members on this listserv, there is still have a very good chance. Please try as much as you can, and please never give up hope. It is the most important lesson I learned from Meowko and from the members here. Thank you all very much again. (And particularily, Margo, your words for us had encouraged us to go through the tough times...) with my best, Catherine and our little sweet angel, Meowko ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
Vetericyn works also. I use it on myself for everything. Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(: On Mar 1, 2013, at 11:50 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: The pill can cause irreparable kidney damage. Yes, lime sulfur dip is stinky but it has very little long term effect on cat health. It gets rid of the ringworm nicely. Also good for mange. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: tisme ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm My vet had given me a liquid med to dab on the spots. Took a couple of weeks but cleared up. Theres a pill as well but DON'T use that...all sorts of bad side effects. Sent from my Galaxy S®III Original message From: Elizabeth Ann Bodden elizab...@toonces.org Date: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] ringworm Does anyone have tips on how to get rid of ringworm on a felv positive kitten? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
And the big problem is, is that the majority of the public isn't informed and hang on every word a vet says. They trust them for the best advice. It's up to us to spread the word as much as possible. Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 7, 2013, at 9:33 PM, Alev Durmus alev_dur...@yahoo.com wrote: What is wrong with the vets? I was not as lucky as David, neither my River :((( Mine was killed by a no-kill animal shelter...Some of you might remember... By the way I sent a complaint letter, called a few of their top supporters, Executive Director called me and I was VERY accurate and not accepting their bs, the director of the faclities stepped down a while ago. I don't know if it is related but I hope the new one is better... I think this starts with vets, they know the facts and they are rushing to kill animals, if they behave that way, what do we expect from the rest of the society...I am open to start a petition etc. whatever comes to your minds. I am new and unfortunately I found this site after the fact, but I will never forget the support I got from all of you, thank you again. Alev From: David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave) Only IFA. I'll ask that she be retested with the Elisa too. Thanks for pointing that out. I thought the IFA was the definitive test but may not be positive right away when acute symptoms present. Also a clarification, my Tux as a kitten story was 5 years ago. She's now an adult. Even back then the vet was ready to destroy her if that snap test came back positive. Of course the current vet wanted to put her down at the first positive snap test with anemia. She may not even be infected with FeLV...but even if she were infected we wouldn't consider that option until her quality of life was so bad to warrant that (and treating her condition to give her a fighting chance at some recovery). Thanks. again. Dave On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Dave was she just retested on the IFA, or on the Snap test also? A positive Snap with a negative IFA is still a positive cat. If both tests were negative then she is negative. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://www.furkids.org/ From: Dave Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave) Update on Tux. Recap: She tested positive for felv on the snap test in December and negative on ifa. She is a felv vaccinated house cat that presented with immune mediated hemolytic anemia. She was treated with prednisolone and doxycycline. She responded well to treatment tho no cause was identified because the vet was convinced she was felv+. This week we retested her. Weight is up 1 lb. and red blood cell count is normal. Negative on ifa. The cause of her anemia is still unknown but the vet has let the felv diagnosis go now. Thank you everyone so much for all the advice. It's heartbreaking to read about the struggles we all go through on this forum for the love of our pets. When we got tux the vet tested her for felv. She said if she was positive that she had to be put down right away. She was very insistent. I knew in my heart that was wrong and wouldn't let her do it. Of course if she were suffering that would be different...but I could never destroy a healthy kitten. I am very happy to see an entire community on this forum that feels as I did (and reinforces what I thought was right at the time). Unfortunately most people will do what the vet says...and that is very sad. Very best wishes to everyone and your furry companions! I will stay subscribed to the forum because you raise a wide array of topics and I may be able to help someone. Thx. Dave On Dec 28, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Be careful about letting get too much exercise. If she is amemic she is not getting enough oxygen to her cells as it is David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com wrote: The official diagnosis/condition from the pathologist is immune mediated hemolytic anemia/IMHA. We don't know the cause yet. We're treating for parasites (doxycycline)...and with prednisone to suppress the immune response. We'll repeat the IFA in a month. She is responding very well to treatment...the immune response to her own blood has diminished, gained back 1/4 pound, her CBC increased 50% and her new blood cell count was up 5x. We get another blood test tomorrow. She was still barely below the recommended CBC for transfusion...but is doing well despite everything. She's active though she won't play. There are a couple
Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
Thank you for not putting Tux down. Somehow the word has to get out there that it is totally unnecessary to euthanize positive cats. I tell everyone I know that has cats and hope they spread the word. This forum is awesome. They are intelligent, informed loving people that give hope when it is needed. And HOPE is so important with this disease. Good luck with Tux. My wish for her is a long happy life(-: Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2013, at 8:34 PM, Dave Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com wrote: Update on Tux. Recap: She tested positive for felv on the snap test in December and negative on ifa. She is a felv vaccinated house cat that presented with immune mediated hemolytic anemia. She was treated with prednisolone and doxycycline. She responded well to treatment tho no cause was identified because the vet was convinced she was felv+. This week we retested her. Weight is up 1 lb. and red blood cell count is normal. Negative on ifa. The cause of her anemia is still unknown but the vet has let the felv diagnosis go now. Thank you everyone so much for all the advice. It's heartbreaking to read about the struggles we all go through on this forum for the love of our pets. When we got tux the vet tested her for felv. She said if she was positive that she had to be put down right away. She was very insistent. I knew in my heart that was wrong and wouldn't let her do it. Of course if she were suffering that would be different...but I could never destroy a healthy kitten. I am very happy to see an entire community on this forum that feels as I did (and reinforces what I thought was right at the time). Unfortunately most people will do what the vet says...and that is very sad. Very best wishes to everyone and your furry companions! I will stay subscribed to the forum because you raise a wide array of topics and I may be able to help someone. Thx. Dave On Dec 28, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Be careful about letting get too much exercise. If she is amemic she is not getting enough oxygen to her cells as it is David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com wrote: The official diagnosis/condition from the pathologist is immune mediated hemolytic anemia/IMHA. We don't know the cause yet. We're treating for parasites (doxycycline)...and with prednisone to suppress the immune response. We'll repeat the IFA in a month. She is responding very well to treatment...the immune response to her own blood has diminished, gained back 1/4 pound, her CBC increased 50% and her new blood cell count was up 5x. We get another blood test tomorrow. She was still barely below the recommended CBC for transfusion...but is doing well despite everything. She's active though she won't play. There are a couple of times she tried to rough-house with her sister and gave up (it was actually funny to watch...after a few minutes of chase, she gave up and laid on her back...her sister came over and gave her a very gentle little nip on the butt...to which Tux let out a whine of indignation). Our vet admitted some doubt about FeLV but is sticking with it for now. I read online that for 60% of IMHA cases it is never determined what the cause was. The cats did act like they had fleas about six months ago (and we treated, though we never saw any fleas). Tux is also the garbage collector...she eats everything on the floor...so it's also possible she at something toxic. Thanks again everyone. I will follow up with any new findings. Dave ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] War on Cats and Others
Love it love it love it!!! You hit the nail on the head Lee, cats kill from instinct and hunger. Humans kill from ego. It makes me sick (what humans do). We pulled up into the driveway last night and a bunny ran across. My husband said to me, isn't it amazing how the cats don't seem to bother these rabbits? yes it's amazing! Humans are amazing. They come up with the most wonderful ideas, like gestation crates, a lovely form of all sorts of deprivation. What bothers me is that we think we have the RIGHT to do what we do to other beings. OK, I'm done. Thanks for the email(-: Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 3, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Alev alev_dur...@yahoo.com wrote: Lee, I couldnt agree more, thank you for this email, I will never stop talking about animal rights to people, take care Sent from my iPhone On Feb 2, 2013, at 5:41 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: There is so much nonsense, mythology and prejudice going around when it comes to diseases in general, whether cat, dog or human that it's a wonder any of us survive the ignorance rather than the disease. An acquaintance of mine was told by a licensed veterinarian that she needed to have her healthy FIV+ cat euthanized because humans can catch it from cats. Meow? My tenant, when I had a rent house, insisted that FIV was highly contagious but FeLv was NOT. Tail backwards. People to this day refuse to hug a person who is living with HIV but will shake hands with someone who has a horrid head cold and get all chummy with people who are coughing all over the air. Many veterinarians seem not to like cats to the point of finding reasons to put them to death. Others are simply too lazy to study new theories of medicine. In some cases, we have not traveled more than inches away from dancing around the bonfire to banish evil spirits as a cure for illness. Finally, we are now being treated to amazingly inflated statistics from almost comic studies that produced the startling news that cats kill rats and mice. Who would have thought!! Not just some rats and mice but toss in moles, voles and gophers, not to mention those things with wings that mostly fly. Stir with a hefty dose of sensationalism due to a slow news day, and you come up with BILLIONS of small mammals and birds being slaughtered and exterminated by feral cats. Please don't mention though that humans have hunted dozens of species to extinction just to have a head to hang on the wall or a rug for the floor, or as a way to stop male sexual dysfunction, or to carve into little statues or furniture (elephants) or just as a lovely delicacy to eat at a way overpriced fancy restaurant. (shark fin soup and other disgusting dishes). Sometimes it seems like humans will kill everything from snails to whales for the most trivial or ridiculous reason. However, just let it be known that cats kill mice and rats for a living and you have panic in the streets. Ah well, time to get off my soap box and go to bed. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie Molly
You are a hero. And I'm very sorry that you lost them): wellness vibes for the other two. Marcia Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Yesterday was a sad day I had my beautiful, sweet calico kitten, Maggie, euthanized. She was only 9 months old. Her sister, Molly, was euthanized last month, and they are buried side by side in the woods next to our house. I took in this litter of 4 FelV kittens in July knowing they'd probably all die, and consequently break my heart, but I had room in my FelV sanctuary so I wanted to give them a chance, and they had 9 happy months living in the upstairs of my large rescue building in town. I watched them running thru their rooms, scooting thru the tunnels, climbing up the cat posts, and walking across the wall walks which were built just for them, and they were happy kittens. Their three rooms upstairs were all made into a cat play ground and also had second hand furniture below the walk ways where I could sit and cuddle them or they could sleep. They had a good life, and longer than they'd have had if I hadn't taken them in from the person who was going to have them PTS because of the FelV virus. For 8 months they seemed to be in perfect health, and I actually believed they'd be fine, but then Molly, who was also a calico, got sick. Maggie still seemed fine but a bit more quiet, but within a week or so she went downhill fast. Two of the precious kittens from this litter are still with us, and so far they seem in good health, but for how long? No doubt I'll be in tears again when this horrible virus over takes them. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
It's good to finally be validated isn't it? (-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 18, 2013, at 7:26 PM, strchalb...@aol.com wrote: Thank you all for your advice! I will be receiving her vet records soon and will go from there Glad I found this group of cat lovers:) I've always been a cat person, but unfortunately I married a non-cat lover, so it's a challenge trying to get him to respect the kitty's I love. Thanks again all!! Tricia -Original Message- From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:58 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia I got my dog to eat slower by putting golf balls in a pie pan with his food. He was forced to pick around the balls to get to the food. On Jan 15, 2013, at 7:29 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Tricia My Nitnoy lived a little over 4 years along with Annie who is also positive and 5 others who are all negative. My vet says that as long as the negatives have their vaccination for FELV and here are no fights where a positive bites a negative, there is very little chance of the negatives getting it. Nitnoy died after a short bout with impacted glands that became infected. That killed her, not the FELV which simply lowered her ability to fight off the infection. Annie is still going strong . Have you thought of changing food. Several of my guys were allergic to whet, corn and soy which is in most commercial foods. Casey would hurl right after eating and had stool problems and I have cleaned up more little puddles than I care to remember. She simply could not get to the box on time. Just like people, when it hits you don't have much time to get to a bathroom. I switched everyone to Blue Buffalo and no moe problems. Casey still has hairballs if I forget to give her hairball meds. Then recently I started giving everyone Royal Canine's Extreme Hairball dry as treats. Everyone loves it and now even hairballs are rare. I usually give around 10 pieces to each one and then stand guard to keep Harley from taking everyone else's treats. Also, does your baby eat too fast? Casey also had a tendency to gulp her food down. Started watching her eat and when she ate too fast I took it away from her and gave it back in a few minutes. Ended up sitting by her when she ate and giving her just a bite at a time. It did not take too long for her to catch on to th fact that eating slower kept her from vomintting. Just a few things you might try. Better than the 2 of you sleeping in the basement. john pollack bucfa...@yahoo.com wrote: Tricia My Tigger lived 1 month shy of 5 years with FeLV He had his ups and downs, as we all do He lived with 6 housemates...NONE are positive!! As far as the stool, cats get it like we do. may have eaten something that disagreed with him What test was done. Snap or other?? With Snap, if he's been exposed, it will be postitve, other (ELSA??) is more through, and can tell if he actually has it I wish you the best FeLV kitties can be the most loving of all, as Tigger was John From: strchalb...@aol.com strchalb...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia Hello, I'm hoping someone can help me We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats. A friend decided to take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay and declaw. She found out she has feline leukemia. She kept her for about a month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter box. I told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took her back. She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is not to be around the other cats with her cancer. So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine other than not eating a whole lot. Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find a few hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses. Well now today, she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really shocked me as she's been so good using the littler box. Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box? She has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to her(powder form), when/if she gets sick??? She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that:) She also does purr quite loud!! Must be a good sign. She will play with a string too. So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting her back in the basement with her
Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia
Dana I can certainly vouch for that! Mine were trying to use the litterbox as I was pouring Dr elseys into it! Fixed the problem(: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 13, 2013, at 10:29 PM, Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: Have you tried dr elseys precious cat litter? It really does work, at least when i tried it with my Buddy, who had felv and fiv and lived till he was about 11. It worked immediately for him. On Jan 13, 2013, at 11:21 PM, strchalb...@aol.com wrote: Hi John! Thanks so much for your quick replywow, you had 6 cats all in the house?? That would be heaven for me:))) My husband is NOT a cat lover, so he was not particularly happy stepping in the poop today:( EdI'm thinking we were chasing the kids in the house at about the time she left her mess. Maybe she was scared and it just all ran out?? I hate to keep her in the basement now, but I don't want any surprises during the night. She does have plenty of blankets down there with her food and two litter boxes. E the I do not know what test she was given. If it's not too difficult for you to discuss, could you tell me how your Tigger's health deteriorated towards the end?So I might know what signs to look for Hope your other kitties are healthy:) Thanks again for your time! Tricia -Original Message- From: john pollack bucfa...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, Jan 13, 2013 9:23 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia Tricia My Tigger lived 1 month shy of 5 years with FeLV He had his ups and downs, as we all do He lived with 6 housemates...NONE are positive!! As far as the stool, cats get it like we do. may have eaten something that disagreed with him What test was done. Snap or other?? With Snap, if he's been exposed, it will be postitve, other (ELSA??) is more through, and can tell if he actually has it I wish you the best FeLV kitties can be the most loving of all, as Tigger was John From: strchalb...@aol.com strchalb...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:06 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] stray cat I took in has feline leukemia Hello, I'm hoping someone can help me We live in the country and have about 8 outside cats. A friend decided to take one home, Pumpkin, and had her all fixed up at the vet with shots, spay and declaw. She found out she has feline leukemia. She kept her for about a month, but I guess she was making a mess as far as using the litter box. I told her I didn't want her to go to an over crowded humane society, so I took her back. She is now in the house, as she is front declawed, and she is not to be around the other cats with her cancer. So... I've had her home since just before Christmas, and she's been fine other than not eating a whole lot. Her stool is quiet soft, and I did find a few hard turds in two different sleeping places that she uses. Well now today, she had a ver messy stool on the wood floor in the hallway!! Really shocked me as she's been so good using the littler box. Is this a sign that she is getting sick, the not using the littler box? She has a prescription for Tylosin Tartrate, and she said to give this to her(powder form), when/if she gets sick??? She does seems to sleep most of the day, but I know cats do do that :) She also does purr quite loud!! Must be a good sign. She will play with a string too. So she's been very happy, but now I had to resort to putting her back in the basement with her food and litter. I might end up sleeping down there with her again, as I did when she first came in the house. She has had the run of the house now for weeks, but I just don't trust her since her accident. I've read where infected cats can live quite long, but yet others do not. I certainly would not want to put her thru all sorts of treatments... Thank you for your time:))) I appreciate any input for my Pumpkin! Tricia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan
I'm so sorry for your loss Bonnie, but so grateful that she had you while she was here. Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 8, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Sweet thought -- Thank you! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: They are here for such a short time and then they are gone but somewhere, in a parallel Universe, Miya Chan is still alive and purring and a version of yourself is there with her. One night, you may visit her in a dream and feel her warmth and see her lovely fur, so while you are there, sneak in a kiss or two on the top of her head before you wake up to yourself back here. You made her life a happy dream. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan Goodnight, sweet Miya Chan... =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^= - Original Message - From: Bonnie Hogue To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 6:50 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan Little _Miya Chan_ died unexpectedly Friday morning. Apparently she was in kidney failure, according to the Vet. Didn’t expect her to go so soon. Lovely brushed coat calico, rehabilitated feral who loved sleeping on the foot of my bed and would raise up her head and close her eyes when I bent to kiss the top of her head. May she rest peacefully and pain free, and may we meet again. Your good thoughts, positive energy and prayers for Miya are appreciated. Thank you, Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lee
LOL I like both those ideas! My husband has grown to love my cats. When you live with them, you can't help but to love them(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Dec 14, 2012, at 5:59 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 12-13, Lee Evans wrote: Interesting. She asked you what your husband thinks of that. Well, I don't have a husband but I would probably reply that he didn't like my cats so I bumped him off and buried him in the used cat litter in the compost heap out back. Yeah, I know. I'm not very nice. LOL Better yet, you could have run him thru the Handy Home Slicer, then the Jiffy Burger Grinder, and fed him to your cats! Many people in my groups advocate a raw diet.so here's one at no cost! Fortunately my husband adores our 16 cats, so I have to buy my cat food! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
Lee, You're right. I went to the grain elevator the other day to pick up feed for my horses. The woman there asked me how many cats I have in my house. When I told her 6, her eyes got huge and she asked what my husband thought of that. I told her that they are very well managed and that my husband knew who I was when he married me. No surprises there! Some can't conceive of 1 cat in the house and all that goes with that, let alone 6 and up!! And if people have an attitude about cats and have never experienced their sweetness then they won't even give them a chance. Their loss, and a big one at that! Good night everyone, I'm so grateful for each and everyone of you(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Dec 12, 2012, at 2:36 PM, CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com wrote: i HAVE SOME THAT DO THAT ALSO.tHE HIGHER RUBBER MAID PLASTIC BOXES SEEM TO HELP.CATHY From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home A couple of comments: any cat with URI will have teary eyes and it may last for almost a month, unless treated with antibiotic ophthalmic drops or ointment. So it really doesn't have anything to do with the cat's FIV status. My cats have a very fastidious habit of perching on the edge of the litter box, like owls perching on tree branches. However, since most of my cats are of normal or porcine weight, over goes the litter box and I come in to a room I just cleaned and scrubbed to find pine pellets and dust everywhere, not to mention whatever the cat had put into the litter box in the first place. All over the floor. Aside from switching to clay litter and filling the box with 50 lbs. of the stuff, anyone have any idea about the tip-over problem? My last comment is this: anyone just happening onto this list and reading some of the posts would think that we are a bunch of lunatics having a bad hair day. Litter scattered all over, cats ordering us around, plastic and metal furniture, beds covered with plastic sheeting, disposable sofas? Until you have actually met a cat close up and personal, you don't understand. Then when you have, this all makes a lot of sense. Have a good holiday everyone. Put the Christmas Tree in the garage, away from the cats and use battery operated Hanukkah candles. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
Hi Kathryn, it's so strange! I was thinking of you this morning and telling myself that I need to email and see how everyone is doing(-: It sounds like everyone has settled in. That's great! My Wildfire will not eat canned either, never has and I suppose, never will. Straight dry for her! Take care and Thanks again!! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com wrote: An update for all: Miss Kitty is fitting right in with the rest of the household, both canine and feline. She is the one who the lady actually abandoned. She is young, pure black Bombay kitty. Not a spec of @white anywhere. And she is a purring machine. She does have a strange habit tho.she totally refuses to eat any type of Cannes cat food. Scarfs down the dry, turn her nose up at anything out of can. Oz is the old battle scarred male that came along as part of the Miss Kitty package although, technically he started it all! While both treated negative for FeLV, he was positive for FIV. His sneezing, coughing, wheezing and runny eyes are much better and he has gained a lot of weight. I was concerned that his back end stayed scrawny - almost like a dog with hip displaysia, And he gets very upset if you touch his hind quarters. I have another vet visit scheduled for him to see if we can figure out what that is all about. He also isn't much at socializing with ANY species and spends the majority of his time in a little cat house in the master bath. Will drop a quick note when Oz has seen the vet again. Kat catatonya catato...@yahoo.com wrote: This happened to one of my cats. He ended up negative. I hope the same happens for yours. tonya From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Sandy hit us hard! We had 3 feet of heavy wet snow which pulled down trees as well as electric and phone lines. I had no idea we'd get hit so hard this far inland, as we are in the eastern mountains of WV, but we had no electricity for two weeks and we still don't have a phone or internet service. We have to drive out to a place that has service. Anyway, I was not able to check into the group all this time, and I was very worried about that cat in Ohio who was abandoned. Now I know both cats are fine and have found a home. THANK YOU A MILLION TIMES for your kindness in taking these poor babies. The woman who abandoned them should be ashamed of herself. I'd like to see her chained to her front porch all winter with no food or shelter! Lorrie and 24 rescued cats On 10-31, Kathryn Green wrote: Thanks to all for kind words. I am what I am - an animal lover. For those who care to know: I got both cats tho had to drive all the way to camp ground, (abt 6 hrs round trip), as cats were uncooperative to the point of downright hostility when Marcia's brother, Craig, had them in cardboard carriers. Cat scratch fever! He ended up putting them/in folding dog crate til I got there. Appears the grey one (actually more of a brown/black/grey tabby), was NOT the one the woman had deserted. The smaller black female was hers. The grey is a battle scarred fully intact male who roamed the campground. Craig had the honor of naming him - Ozzie it is. Oz for short. I am concerned about him as he is hoarse, has a funny nose, tearing eyes and sneezesupper resp issues at the very least I suspect. As soon as I closed them in my master bathroom (quarantine), he spent over 1/2 hr scarfing down food and water. Smaller black cat appears to have absolutely NO white on her. Not on chest, feet, tip of tail, nothing. Never seen one pure black before. She is a lover/lap cat. First thing out of carrier she made one round of bathroom and used the litter pan. My kind of Kitty. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia
I remember being very frightened when I found out that Fletch was positive for Felv. But then I found this list and the people on here gave me much needed hope. They explained, just like Lee did that this IS NOT a death sentence. So keep your chin up. Tanya's CRF web site has a list of many different B complex vitamins that are available online and how much of each b vitamin is in each product. It would be a great place to look. Keep your chin up, we are all here for you. Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:28 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Sounds like the vets in your country are not very knowledgeable about FeLv. Your kitten is still young and might just be fighting the antibodies he got from a FeLv+ mother. You need to retest him in about 2 to 3 months and he may be negative, having overcome the antibodies. You need to know whether he is running a fever and how high it is. You probably need to visit another vet for the retest because it seems like the animal doctors in your country haven't much interest in diagnostics past just testing for FeLv and FIV. Sometimes the test can be positive for FeLv because the cat is fighting off another type of infection entirely. It's not a death sentence. It's a tool to see what can be done for the cat. Just like testing a human for diabetes is a tool to see what medications would be needed if the person has diabetes. Meantime give your cat good food. I would recommend a vitamin like Nutra-Ved which can be purchased online without any prescription or maybe your vet has it in stock. It's a liquid that you can either add to the food or give in a measured dose by mouth with a feeding syringe. I currently have a cat named Desi who is leukemia positive. However, although he lost a lot of weight, he grooms himself, he has shiny fur and he is alert, clear eyed and interested in things around him. He was a colony cat who we fed for several years. He just recently began losing a lot of weight and we had him tested, were surprised that he was FeLv+ because he was living outside all this time, never showing any symptoms of poor health. Each cat is an individual. One size medicine or vet care does NOT fit all. So keep a good attitude and don't look at your cat as if he were ill with something fatal. Look at him as if this is just another crisis in his life which he can overcome. Keep us posted. Hugs to you and your fur kid. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Hi Laurine, First let me say that I'm so sorry, because this is so scary and probably worse for you since it doesn't sound like you are getting any HOPE, which is so important. Does your kitty have a temperature? If you can get meds online I would definitely suggest some amoxicillin, if he has a fever. He may have an infection that he needs help with. You can order fish antibiotics over the Internet made by Thomas Labs. I hate to give this kind of advice, but it may make him better where he feels good enough to eat better. I would also give him some b complex vitamins Because cats need them. Sometimes they will perk up and eat and drink better after having them. Twin Labs makes liquid b complex that you could give by syringe. Other people on here will be able to help better than I, because I'm kind of a newbie with the Felv. My heart goes out to you and your kitty. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Lauraine Venter laura...@hencon.co.mz wrote: Funny enough around here they don't wanna put them to sleep (no space to put them afterwards) so they just say sorry have some vitamins and good bye when you leave their offices. I will rather put myself to sleep than do it to my kitty (sorry but I will) I got him when he was 5 days old and had to perform cpr on him at 10 days old as he didn't want to breath anymore so he is super special for me he is my kid. I will definitely have a look at L-Lysine I am prepared to do anything for him as long as he is not in any pain think that will kill me if I know he is in pain. He is living a very stress free life thus far (own playroom, jungle gym, toys, bed and even aircon as it get 40-45 degrees around here), my main concern is that it was picked up to late being that he is losing weight fast and still not eating good even if I give him his special treats that he loves and yes his age. Kind Regards Lauraine Venter ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia
Hi Laurine, First let me say that I'm so sorry, because this is so scary and probably worse for you since it doesn't sound like you are getting any HOPE, which is so important. Does your kitty have a temperature? If you can get meds online I would definitely suggest some amoxicillin, if he has a fever. He may have an infection that he needs help with. You can order fish antibiotics over the Internet made by Thomas Labs. I hate to give this kind of advice, but it may make him better where he feels good enough to eat better. I would also give him some b complex vitamins Because cats need them. Sometimes they will perk up and eat and drink better after having them. Twin Labs makes liquid b complex that you could give by syringe. Other people on here will be able to help better than I, because I'm kind of a newbie with the Felv. My heart goes out to you and your kitty. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Lauraine Venter laura...@hencon.co.mz wrote: Funny enough around here they don't wanna put them to sleep (no space to put them afterwards) so they just say sorry have some vitamins and good bye when you leave their offices. I will rather put myself to sleep than do it to my kitty (sorry but I will) I got him when he was 5 days old and had to perform cpr on him at 10 days old as he didn't want to breath anymore so he is super special for me he is my kid. I will definitely have a look at L-Lysine I am prepared to do anything for him as long as he is not in any pain think that will kill me if I know he is in pain. He is living a very stress free life thus far (own playroom, jungle gym, toys, bed and even aircon as it get 40-45 degrees around here), my main concern is that it was picked up to late being that he is losing weight fast and still not eating good even if I give him his special treats that he loves and yes his age. Kind Regards Lauraine Venter -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net [mailto:dlg...@windstream.net] Sent: 19 November 2012 10:32 PM To: Lauraine Venter Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia You would be amazed at the number of vets in the US that reccommend putting a FELV+ cat to sleep because they feel it won't live and the costs can be high sometimes. My vet (one of the good ones) said it was up to me, there was a chance she could live a long life. It depends on the person living with the cat. How much do you love him (sorry bout that, could have sworn I saw her in your first mail). My Annie was 4 and is now 8 and has never been sick in that time. Nitnoy came with problems, a raccoon bit her tail off so she had stress to begin with. She still lived a normal, healthy life until 2 weeks before she passed with her head on my shoulder. There was no great pain for her, she simply sighed and was gone. One of the main things to do is avoid stress, that hurts the imune system. The L-Lysine will boost his immune system and hel fight off the FELV or the secondary infection. Because your baby is so young, it might be harder to fight it off, but if you are conserned enough to reach out for help, he has love to boost him and in my book that counts a lot. I will keep both of you in my prayers. Lauraine Venter laura...@hencon.co.mz wrote: I can find any medications on line and get it past customs no problem my worries is what medication to give as our vets here does not have an idea either they just did the test said oh so sorry no vaccines to prevent this illness in this country yet here is 15 days of vitamins and so sorry. So I am very worried about what to get with regards to medicine. He lost 200g in 4 days which is approx 7 ounces in 4 days and for a cat that is not good even I know that, he is just sleepy the whole time and not eating a lot, I have changed the food to a better product called Montego not your average commercial Epol or something available in supermarkets this dry food is very similar to IAMS just slightly cheaper. I can get plenty of raw fish and meat but the problem is this kitty of mine is very full of crap when it comes to food since first day I got him so not sure if the change will work or not nor have I ever tried the raw diet before very new to me. Thanks for the advise and care appreciate it a lot still angry and upset though but hey what can you do if you live in a developing country where certain stuff is not available as yet. Kind Regards Lauraine Venter -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net [mailto:dlg...@windstream.net] Sent: 19 November 2012 10:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Lauraine Venter Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Can you go online to find medications? Is it possible to get things thru customs? I recently lost my Nitnoy at age 5. When I found her, she was diagnosed
Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat
Fizzion works and so does Anti Icky Poo which comes scented or non-scented(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:44 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: For the summer, you can get either the disposable large size pads or the adult mattress pads that are sold at medical supply shops for adults with bladder incontinence. Hey, I'm the queen of waterproofing. With all the cats I have had, there has always been a bed wetting problem with at least one or two of them. Instead of screaming and tearing my hair out and dumping the cat out the door, I used some of my elderly mom's disposable mattress pads for a while. She actually wasn't incontinent but she couldn't walk so needed a bed pan, so just in case...I would use the mattress pads. Then I purchased several of the washable types when one of my very old cats began thinking the bed was her litter box. You can also purchase a zippered waterproof mattress cover, then put a regular quilted mattress topper over it and just toss the topper into the washing machine if someone makes a mistake, sponge the waterproof cover with rubbing alcohol. It's a good deodorizer after it evaporates. But in the summer, if you don't want to feel you are being shrink wrapped, you can use the top removable types and either toss into the wash or toss into the garbage if they are disposable. The washable are more economical. You can even make up the bed in the morning and then put a fitted waterproof mattress topper over the whole thing to keep everything good while you are gone. If an accident happens, you just whisk the cover off and you are ready for sleeping in the bed. For the nasty drip into the mattress I would recommend an enzyme type odor eliminator. I used to use Petzyme, which you can purchase at PetsMart. It doesn't have any added scent as a cover up. Sometimes I think I prefer the odor of cat pee to those awful perfumes they dump into deodorizers. When you use the enzyme type deodorizer, you have to make sure the spot stays wet for at least 24 hours. If it dries out, by-by little beneficial bacteria and the enzyme doesn't work. You can Google cat urine neutralizer or deodorizer and see what you come up with. There are many brands and many prices. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat
Oh and someone told me that with the enzymatic cleaners like anti icky poo, to keep a moist cloth over the treated area so that it doesn't dry out. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 5, 2012, at 11:44 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: For the summer, you can get either the disposable large size pads or the adult mattress pads that are sold at medical supply shops for adults with bladder incontinence. Hey, I'm the queen of waterproofing. With all the cats I have had, there has always been a bed wetting problem with at least one or two of them. Instead of screaming and tearing my hair out and dumping the cat out the door, I used some of my elderly mom's disposable mattress pads for a while. She actually wasn't incontinent but she couldn't walk so needed a bed pan, so just in case...I would use the mattress pads. Then I purchased several of the washable types when one of my very old cats began thinking the bed was her litter box. You can also purchase a zippered waterproof mattress cover, then put a regular quilted mattress topper over it and just toss the topper into the washing machine if someone makes a mistake, sponge the waterproof cover with rubbing alcohol. It's a good deodorizer after it evaporates. But in the summer, if you don't want to feel you are being shrink wrapped, you can use the top removable types and either toss into the wash or toss into the garbage if they are disposable. The washable are more economical. You can even make up the bed in the morning and then put a fitted waterproof mattress topper over the whole thing to keep everything good while you are gone. If an accident happens, you just whisk the cover off and you are ready for sleeping in the bed. For the nasty drip into the mattress I would recommend an enzyme type odor eliminator. I used to use Petzyme, which you can purchase at PetsMart. It doesn't have any added scent as a cover up. Sometimes I think I prefer the odor of cat pee to those awful perfumes they dump into deodorizers. When you use the enzyme type deodorizer, you have to make sure the spot stays wet for at least 24 hours. If it dries out, by-by little beneficial bacteria and the enzyme doesn't work. You can Google cat urine neutralizer or deodorizer and see what you come up with. There are many brands and many prices. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting cat solution
The Sentry calming collars work very well. That have the same pheromones as the feliway. But they wear them(-: Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2012, at 2:46 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Re: Harley I have a Felway diffuser going 24hrs a day and even bought a cd of music that is supposed to CALM animals. It is great for putting me to sleep at night, but has no effect on Harley. Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com wrote: Went to the store that the mattress came from. They sold me a waterproof cover for $40. I got one for both of the beds in the house. The man says it works great for pet problems. I put the cover under the mattress pad. I hope it works. I put vinegar/water on the soiled spot and it dried quickly with the ceiling fan on high. We have a recently adopted cat and there are some battles going on in the house. I might try the feliway diffuser. Oh, also I wanted to add that my couch is covered with carpet protector that is held onto the couch with upholstery Twist Pins. On top of that are two slipcovers. That's how I have my couch protected. It's pretty comfy. Who was that on this board who said to let the cats have the house and the humans can live in the closets? ha ha ha On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: For the summer, you can get either the disposable large size pads or the adult mattress pads that are sold at medical supply shops for adults with bladder incontinence. Hey, I'm the queen of waterproofing. With all the cats I have had, there has always been a bed wetting problem with at least one or two of them. Instead of screaming and tearing my hair out and dumping the cat out the door, I used some of my elderly mom's disposable mattress pads for a while. She actually wasn't incontinent but she couldn't walk so needed a bed pan, so just in case...I would use the mattress pads. Then I purchased several of the washable types when one of my very old cats began thinking the bed was her litter box. You can also purchase a zippered waterproof mattress cover, then put a regular quilted mattress topper over it and just toss the topper into the washing machine if someone makes a mistake, sponge the waterproof cover with rubbing alcohol. It's a good deodorizer after it evaporates. But in the summer, if you don't want to feel you are being shrink wrapped, you can use the top removable types and either toss into the wash or toss into the garbage if they are disposable. The washable are more economical. You can even make up the bed in the morning and then put a fitted waterproof mattress topper over the whole thing to keep everything good while you are gone. If an accident happens, you just whisk the cover off and you are ready for sleeping in the bed. For the nasty drip into the mattress I would recommend an enzyme type odor eliminator. I used to use Petzyme, which you can purchase at PetsMart. It doesn't have any added scent as a cover up. Sometimes I think I prefer the odor of cat pee to those awful perfumes they dump into deodorizers. When you use the enzyme type deodorizer, you have to make sure the spot stays wet for at least 24 hours. If it dries out, by-by little beneficial bacteria and the enzyme doesn't work. You can Google cat urine neutralizer or deodorizer and see what you come up with. There are many brands and many prices. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion
I also worry about cedar, it's toxic to small animals livers. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: Watch them for Panleuk symptoms: depression, hanging head (most of the time, not just over the food/water bowl), loose/watery stools, vomitting, low energy. If they are throwing up just bile, then they are just hungry. Can you syringe some baby food into them to get them started eating again? What are you feeding? If dry, switch to raw or healthy wet, such as Merrick's Before Grain (plus 5% canned unspiced pumpkin). You can also mix up half and half goat milk and wet food. I don't let my cats get around pine/cedar litter because of the phenols in pine, which can be toxic to cat livers. Supposedly, this is taken care of in cat litters, but if it makes my bladder disease worse, then I don't subject cats to it, either. Not to mention this stuff is scented, to boot. Use disposable gloves when handling the kittens. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com wrote: I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend. The kittens ate well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up at food. Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up water. Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea. Neither has done #2 today. Both kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very worried about them not eating. I have called their owner and left a message about the vomiting. The owner says that both kittens have been tested for all diseases. I have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats. Today one of my cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting my cats sick.. Any suggestions? The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am. I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar) Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion
Diarrhea control gel by van beek clears it right up if its bacterial. I had a lot of cats years ago that had been dumped on me and I could not catch them to vaccinate. Pretty soon they all started dying, and it was panleuk. I had a bottle of excenel that I had used on my Pygmy goat for mastitis. It wasn't labeled for cats at that time but I knew it killed fast growing bacteria, like toxic shock. Didn't think I had anything to lose so I started hitting everyone up with it and it saved their lives! Fortunately the next year in the Plumb Veterinary drug Handbook it was labeled for cats. 1 mg per lb. 50 mg per ML just in case you ever need it(-: Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Kathryn Christiane. Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool no blood in the vomit. She is feeding them wet food, Friskies/wet and Meow Mix/wet. I have tried to get the kittens to eat Before Grain wet food, but they will not eat it. The kittens will lap up a little water, but nothing excessive. Problem is, they walk away and vomit up the water. Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday Friday. I gave them some dry food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety Instinct. Maybe their tummies just didn't like the new food. I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM. The kittens have had the first round of shots testing. I have called their human parents twice and left two messages. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of food when they came to your house? From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Martha Walton Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend. The kittens ate well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up at food. Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up water. Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea. Neither has done #2 today. Both kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very worried about them not eating. I have called their owner and left a message about the vomiting. The owner says that both kittens have been tested for all diseases. I have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats. Today one of my cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting my cats sick.. Any suggestions? The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am. I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion
But amoxicillin works too! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Kathryn Christiane. Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool no blood in the vomit. She is feeding them wet food, Friskies/wet and Meow Mix/wet. I have tried to get the kittens to eat Before Grain wet food, but they will not eat it. The kittens will lap up a little water, but nothing excessive. Problem is, they walk away and vomit up the water. Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday Friday. I gave them some dry food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety Instinct. Maybe their tummies just didn't like the new food. I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM. The kittens have had the first round of shots testing. I have called their human parents twice and left two messages. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of food when they came to your house? From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Martha Walton Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend. The kittens ate well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up at food. Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up water. Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea. Neither has done #2 today. Both kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very worried about them not eating. I have called their owner and left a message about the vomiting. The owner says that both kittens have been tested for all diseases. I have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats. Today one of my cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting my cats sick.. Any suggestions? The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am. I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion
Yes...that is what a vet told me and I was shocked! But actually about 20 ago I had a kitten that had it and iused amoxicillin and he finally came out of it. I also used raw blood from calf liver mixed with canned food and syringes it. He ended up being very unbalanced from it because it affected his brain. But he didn't know he was different(: I just lost him a few years ago): Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: On Panleuk? On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: But amoxicillin works too! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Kathryn Christiane. Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool no blood in the vomit. She is feeding them wet food, Friskies/wet and Meow Mix/wet. I have tried to get the kittens to eat Before Grain wet food, but they will not eat it. The kittens will lap up a little water, but nothing excessive. Problem is, they walk away and vomit up the water. Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday Friday. I gave them some dry food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety Instinct. Maybe their tummies just didn't like the new food. I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM. The kittens have had the first round of shots testing. I have called their human parents twice and left two messages. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of food when they came to your house? From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Martha Walton Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend. The kittens ate well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up at food. Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up water. Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea. Neither has done #2 today. Both kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very worried about them not eating. I have called their owner and left a message about the vomiting. The owner says that both kittens have been tested for all diseases. I have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats. Today one of my cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting my cats sick.. Any suggestions? The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am. I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar) Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion
It didn't work on the virus per say, but the fast growing bacteria in their gut. I'm wondering if it could be a water change that is making them sick? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: Wonder how it worked on the virus, or does it work on viruses, too? Last I talked to the vets that treated my kittens (most died), they wouldn't use ``controversial'' Tamiflu. My friend's vet saved her litter that way. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Diarrhea control gel by van beek clears it right up if its bacterial. I had a lot of cats years ago that had been dumped on me and I could not catch them to vaccinate. Pretty soon they all started dying, and it was panleuk. I had a bottle of excenel that I had used on my Pygmy goat for mastitis. It wasn't labeled for cats at that time but I knew it killed fast growing bacteria, like toxic shock. Didn't think I had anything to lose so I started hitting everyone up with it and it saved their lives! Fortunately the next year in the Plumb Veterinary drug Handbook it was labeled for cats. 1 mg per lb. 50 mg per ML just in case you ever need it(-: Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Kathryn Christiane. Both kittens just had diarrhea, no blood in the stool no blood in the vomit. She is feeding them wet food, Friskies/wet and Meow Mix/wet. I have tried to get the kittens to eat Before Grain wet food, but they will not eat it. The kittens will lap up a little water, but nothing excessive. Problem is, they walk away and vomit up the water. Kittens were eating good Wednesday, Thursday Friday. I gave them some dry food on Thursday or Friday night, Natures Variety Instinct. Maybe their tummies just didn't like the new food. I am very worried, the kittens go back to their home tomorrow AM. The kittens have had the first round of shots testing. I have called their human parents twice and left two messages. On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: Are they eating the food they usually eat or did they have a change of food when they came to your house? From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Martha Walton Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Sitting, need suggestion I am kitten-sitting two kittens this weekend for a friend. The kittens ate well for the first two days, but yesterday they turned their nose up at food. Today neither kitten is eating and they are both throwing up water. Yesterday one of the kittens had diarrhea. Neither has done #2 today. Both kittens are playful, drinking water and alert, but I am very worried about them not eating. I have called their owner and left a message about the vomiting. The owner says that both kittens have been tested for all diseases. I have not let the kittens have contact with my 5 house-cats. Today one of my cats had some diarrhea, so I am hoping that the kittens are not getting my cats sick.. Any suggestions? The kittens go back to their house tomorrow at 10:00am. I am using Tidy Cats Pure Nature for their cat litter. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar) Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home - Types of cats
My mom upholstered for years. She had a pretty good business going! I used to tear down for her, but not much. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2012, at 12:16 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Also, an upholsterer once told me old furniture was made better and he preferred to recover rather than buy new. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: I need new furniture but have decided to get used stuff until I have older cats. Makes it easier on everyone! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I love the color exchange for cats! And the black cats sitting in the window! I am amazed however that furniture can be more important to someone than the little soul that they have spent the last 2 years with! My cats shredded my new chair and when people say anything about it I just tell them what can I say? I like my cats a hell of a lot more than I like that stupid inanimate object! Why is that hard to understand? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: This actually happened to me when I was answering our hotline for VOICE For Animals. A woman called asking if we could take an orange cat. I asked her why. What she said was that she had purchased a white sofa and the cat was getting orange fur all over it. She said she would be willing to take a white cat in exchange. She had had the orange cat for 2 years, had come into some money recently and was buying new living room furniture. I finally talked her out of dumping her cat on us by telling her about the sticky roller product for removing lint and hair from things. I also told her that she should purchase a multicolored sofa cover to keep the sofa covered for general use and whisk off the cover when company arrives. She was delighted with the ideas. I should write a book on how to color coordinate your rooms with your cats and dogs and how to color coordinate your daily work outfits with a shedding pet. Along those lines, here's a great idea for people who have too many cats and don't want the Animal Control Officer to notice. Exchange your cats with your neighbors until you all have sets of cats of the same color. You can take the white cats, then paint your furniture and walls white. The Officer will never notice the cats since they will blend in with everything. And you will go snow blind. A friend of mine actually had 6 black cats in an apartment where they only allowed 3 pets total. But with all the black cats, any time a cat sat at the window, it looked like the same cat. Cool, right? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home - Types of cats Lol Lee I like the pairing of furniture and cats. You should write a book(-; Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: All Black - Black Cats Black with white patch on chest and belly - Medallion Cats Black Cape with White Cravat - Tuxedo Cats Unofficial Types (I made up the names) White With Black Polka Dots - Spotty Cats or Cow Spot Cats White With Black on Head and Ears, Black Tail: Toupee Cats wearing Formal Tails. All Black Cats - Panthers Tabbies - Tigers Orange Tabbies - Pumpkin Tigers Grey Cats - Dust Bin Cats (some call them Russian Blues) Tabby and White - Cape Cats Pink Cat - got into the Strawberry ice cream I left on the kitchen counter (originally white cat) Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home if u do a web search ,it shows you cats, It says they are medium size,JET BLACK,gleaming coat,GOLD TO COPPER EYES,sweet,facial expression.I have several all black cats,Naya, Ebony,Onyx,Heidi then I have black with the white on its chest which people call the collar in French, Bernie Mack,Button,Zorro he has the white mark on his chest and below his belly,Vogue, Nikita,then I have black and white ones.I HAVE LAMONT who is small all black and has those gold,deep orange,or copper eyes.Cathy From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Bombay kitty? What does that mean? K ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy Miss Kitty
I guess there is a silver lining in every cloud Lee. And this silver lining is that he has no teeth(-: Sad for Ozzy, but great for everyone he is living with! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Since Ozzy has no teeth, even if he fights, he can't spread FIV because FIV is spread by deep biting during a cat fight. He can't spread it through a scratch or through any non-violent contact with any of your cats. I have about 3 FIV+ cats mixed in with my my regular gang and no one is any the worse for it. About the spraying, once his hormones go away, even if he sprays occasionally (and all cats do that when nervous or angry on occasion) it won't smell terrible. I have several bad boys who do the spray thing from time to time just to keep in practice. It's a matter of pail and mop and that's mostly it. I use Simple Green Anti-virus cleaning product. It smells like a cleaning product when I'm mopping, but leaves the room smelling of nothing and nice and clean too. It comes in a half gallon size, is green in color. There are several types of Simple Green. The one I use is a concentrate. An ounce (shot glass for measure) in 2 to 3 gallons of wash water does wonders and I have at least 22 cats in a large room. They are NOT polite or well behaved cats either, but I still don't have to dig the house under. For more information about FIV+ and mixing positives and negatives together, you may want to join the FIV2 Yahoo Group and read the files or make contact with some of the members. Whatever you do, don't allow any vet to sell you the FIV vaccination. It turns a cat positive upon testing and will jeopardize negative cats because some vets and shelters still euthanize FIV+ cats for no reason except misinformation about the situation. Great news about Miss Kitty though. Females rarely get FIV because mostly, males are very polite to them but if the male cat grabs them by the neck too roughly during mating, it may turn into a bite and therefore infect the cat. But males don't usually do this. They don't want to kill the female, just impregnate her. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 11:06 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Ozzy Miss Kitty Well, good news and not so good news. The cat that originally started all of this, Ozzy, is definitely an older cat and as I suspected, he tested positive for FIV although neg for FeLV. As he is obviously a battle veteran and drew blood from the person who originally rescued him too, indications are he will be more than happy to fight others and share the virus. He was also loaded with tape worms which men's Miss Kitty likely has them too so I have to dose them both for that. The vet couldn't give me an estimate of Ozzy's age other than to say he was no spring chicken. Why? Because he has almost NO teeth. One canine was intact but the rest were broken or missing. He removed a couple of the broken ones but says there were many that were just roots and there was nothing he could do short of major surgery. Says his gums are in surprisingly good condition, he just has no teeth. Suspect many were broken in fights. It is amazing to me how he puts away dry cat food - LOTS of it - when he has no teeth! Technically, a fighter like Oz should be quarantined for the rest of his life cause of the FIV. If I were to do that it would mean keeping him in my master bathroom. Not too fond of that idea. Only other option is to make him an outdoor cat and I don't like that either. If he starts spraying that will be my only option tho I suspect. Even tho neutered now he has been around long enuff marking is a natural thing for him and will likely continue. Now for the good news. Miss Kitty came thru with a clean bill of health, got her vaccinations, and goes back in 4 weeks for her boosters. Total bill this time around was $168. Both are now back in the master bathroom while I gird my loins and prepare to dose them for worms. I think Oz will take his in a bit of canned cat food but Miss Kitty turns her nose up at anything from a can so hers will have to be a pill. I will let all know if I survive! ;-) Kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy Miss Kitty
You are a very smart cookie(: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 3, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I have several cats with no teeth who knock back the dry food like it's their last meal. Cats don't really chew very much unless they catch a very tough mouse. Mostly, they give their food a few chomps and down it goes. They have a very high acid content in their stomach that does the rest of the digesting. If we ate like cats do, we'd be floating like blimps all the time because our digestive system depends on mixing saliva with the food to begin digestion in earnest. If you notice, when you rush a meal to get to work or an appointment, you end up bloated and uncomfortable for the rest of the day. At least I do. But cats, being lazy little critters, just go chomp/gulp and it's over. Also the good news. Kathryn might want to have that last canine removed. It's not serving any purpose and to be on the safe side, it's OK for Ozzy not to have it. Also, at some point in time, when Ozzy has recovered from all his ordeals and is settled in, I would recommend that the rotten roots be removed also. As they decay in his gums they could lead to infection, either locally or systemic. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy Miss Kitty I guess there is a silver lining in every cloud Lee. And this silver lining is that he has no teeth(-: Sad for Ozzy, but great for everyone he is living with! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Since Ozzy has no teeth, even if he fights, he can't spread FIV because FIV is spread by deep biting during a cat fight. He can't spread it through a scratch or through any non-violent contact with any of your cats. I have about 3 FIV+ cats mixed in with my my regular gang and no one is any the worse for it. About the spraying, once his hormones go away, even if he sprays occasionally (and all cats do that when nervous or angry on occasion) it won't smell terrible. I have several bad boys who do the spray thing from time to time just to keep in practice. It's a matter of pail and mop and that's mostly it. I use Simple Green Anti-virus cleaning product. It smells like a cleaning product when I'm mopping, but leaves the room smelling of nothing and nice and clean too. It comes in a half gallon size, is green in color. There are several types of Simple Green. The one I use is a concentrate. An ounce (shot glass for measure) in 2 to 3 gallons of wash water does wonders and I have at least 22 cats in a large room. They are NOT polite or well behaved cats either, but I still don't have to dig the house under. For more information about FIV+ and mixing positives and negatives together, you may want to join the FIV2 Yahoo Group and read the files or make contact with some of the members. Whatever you do, don't allow any vet to sell you the FIV vaccination. It turns a cat positive upon testing and will jeopardize negative cats because some vets and shelters still euthanize FIV+ cats for no reason except misinformation about the situation. Great news about Miss Kitty though. Females rarely get FIV because mostly, males are very polite to them but if the male cat grabs them by the neck too roughly during mating, it may turn into a bite and therefore infect the cat. But males don't usually do this. They don't want to kill the female, just impregnate her. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 11:06 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Ozzy Miss Kitty Well, good news and not so good news. The cat that originally started all of this, Ozzy, is definitely an older cat and as I suspected, he tested positive for FIV although neg for FeLV. As he is obviously a battle veteran and drew blood from the person who originally rescued him too, indications are he will be more than happy to fight others and share the virus. He was also loaded with tape worms which men's Miss Kitty likely has them too so I have to dose them both for that. The vet couldn't give me an estimate of Ozzy's age other than to say he was no spring chicken. Why? Because he has almost NO teeth. One canine was intact but the rest were broken or missing. He removed a couple of the broken ones but says there were many that were just roots and there was nothing he could do short of major surgery. Says his gums are in surprisingly good condition, he just has
Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy Miss Kitty
Amen to that Lee! I think Ozzy will calm down and really appreciate being rescued, Kathryn. Somehow they just know it. He will like having his food served to him on a plate instead of having to scrounge for it. You did a very wonderful thing Kat. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me On Nov 3, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: No, lol, FIV cannot infect a human being. You can be chewed on like a rubber toy and still nothing. I have been dealing with FIV+ and FeLv+ cats for over 20 years, bitten, scratched and snarled at, pilled them, cleaned up after them. I'm still here, relatively healthy and no cat diseases. You can't catch a cold from a cat either. It's just not a take. Viruses are very specifically programmed to each species. I'm sure they do cross species occasionally but not very often. That's why chimps used in HIV experiments are a very poor prototype for trying to develop a human vaccine. They just don't get the same effect from HIV virus as humans. But hey, some vets are so misinformed that they won't even be able to answer the question. As for his teeth stumps, the bite has to be DEEP. He can't bite with stumps of teeth but as you say, just to be safe, you can have them removed. It will benefit Oz and will ease your mind. Mostly, when neutered cats have a fight in the house, they smack each other with paws. If they do mix it up, it's briefly and toothless cats do no harm. Around here, FIV is not an issue since it's not environmental. I do have a separate sanctuary for 5 of my FIV cats because I started rescuing around 7 years ago when the information was still hazy about whether or not it was contagious and I do add contentious cats with teeth to my FIV group but I really don't think Ozzy would be a candidate for my group if he were here. After his hormones go away, he will also be more docile and less likely to do battle with anything but a mousy. So keep him where he is. Don't put him out or send him away. Just feed him until he's too fat to move very fast, get that last canine removed and enjoy the wonderful work you did taking these two orphans. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy Miss Kitty Good info and I thank you. I hadn't really thought it all through about him having almost no teeth - although he does still have that one canine and some stumps so he isn't a 100% safe Kitty for the other cats. Maybe less worry than I thought but still the potential. Marcia's brother was the original rescuer and Ozzy scratched him up quite a bit tho I don't think he bit him. Does anybody know if FIV can affect humans in any way if a positive cat bites? I would think not but don't know for sure. Thanks for the info an the cleaner too although it is a standing joke with my friends that the name of the product is NOT Simple Green, it is Intelligent Green.Green being my last name and all. ;-) Kat Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Since Ozzy has no teeth, even if he fights, he can't spread FIV because FIV is spread by deep biting during a cat fight. He can't spread it through a scratch or through any non-violent contact with any of your cats. I have about 3 FIV+ cats mixed in with my my regular gang and no one is any the worse for it. About the spraying, once his hormones go away, even if he sprays occasionally (and all cats do that when nervous or angry on occasion) it won't smell terrible. I have several bad boys who do the spray thing from time to time just to keep in practice. It's a matter of pail and mop and that's mostly it. I use Simple Green Anti-virus cleaning product. It smells like a cleaning product when I'm mopping, but leaves the room smelling of nothing and nice and clean too. It comes in a half gallon size, is green in color. There are several types of Simple Green. The one I use is a concentrate. An ounce (shot glass for measure) in 2 to 3 gallons of wash water does wonders and I have at least 22 cats in a large room. They are NOT polite or well behaved cats either, but I still don't have to dig the house under. For more information about FIV+ and mixing positives and negatives together, you may want to join the FIV2 Yahoo Group and read the files or make contact with some of the members. Whatever you do, don't allow any vet to sell you the FIV vaccination. It turns a cat positive upon testing and will jeopardize negative cats because some vets and shelters still euthanize FIV+ cats for no reason except misinformation about the situation. Great news about Miss Kitty though. Females rarely get FIV because mostly, males are very polite to them but if the male cat
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home - Types of cats
Lol Lee I like the pairing of furniture and cats. You should write a book(-; Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: All Black - Black Cats Black with white patch on chest and belly - Medallion Cats Black Cape with White Cravat - Tuxedo Cats Unofficial Types (I made up the names) White With Black Polka Dots - Spotty Cats or Cow Spot Cats White With Black on Head and Ears, Black Tail: Toupee Cats wearing Formal Tails. All Black Cats - Panthers Tabbies - Tigers Orange Tabbies - Pumpkin Tigers Grey Cats - Dust Bin Cats (some call them Russian Blues) Tabby and White - Cape Cats Pink Cat - got into the Strawberry ice cream I left on the kitchen counter (originally white cat) Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home if u do a web search ,it shows you cats, It says they are medium size,JET BLACK,gleaming coat,GOLD TO COPPER EYES,sweet,facial expression.I have several all black cats,Naya, Ebony,Onyx,Heidi then I have black with the white on its chest which people call the collar in French, Bernie Mack,Button,Zorro he has the white mark on his chest and below his belly,Vogue, Nikita,then I have black and white ones.I HAVE LAMONT who is small all black and has those gold,deep orange,or copper eyes.Cathy From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Bombay kitty? What does that mean? K ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home - Types of cats
I love the color exchange for cats! And the black cats sitting in the window! I am amazed however that furniture can be more important to someone than the little soul that they have spent the last 2 years with! My cats shredded my new chair and when people say anything about it I just tell them what can I say? I like my cats a hell of a lot more than I like that stupid inanimate object! Why is that hard to understand? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: This actually happened to me when I was answering our hotline for VOICE For Animals. A woman called asking if we could take an orange cat. I asked her why. What she said was that she had purchased a white sofa and the cat was getting orange fur all over it. She said she would be willing to take a white cat in exchange. She had had the orange cat for 2 years, had come into some money recently and was buying new living room furniture. I finally talked her out of dumping her cat on us by telling her about the sticky roller product for removing lint and hair from things. I also told her that she should purchase a multicolored sofa cover to keep the sofa covered for general use and whisk off the cover when company arrives. She was delighted with the ideas. I should write a book on how to color coordinate your rooms with your cats and dogs and how to color coordinate your daily work outfits with a shedding pet. Along those lines, here's a great idea for people who have too many cats and don't want the Animal Control Officer to notice. Exchange your cats with your neighbors until you all have sets of cats of the same color. You can take the white cats, then paint your furniture and walls white. The Officer will never notice the cats since they will blend in with everything. And you will go snow blind. A friend of mine actually had 6 black cats in an apartment where they only allowed 3 pets total. But with all the black cats, any time a cat sat at the window, it looked like the same cat. Cool, right? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home - Types of cats Lol Lee I like the pairing of furniture and cats. You should write a book(-; Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: All Black - Black Cats Black with white patch on chest and belly - Medallion Cats Black Cape with White Cravat - Tuxedo Cats Unofficial Types (I made up the names) White With Black Polka Dots - Spotty Cats or Cow Spot Cats White With Black on Head and Ears, Black Tail: Toupee Cats wearing Formal Tails. All Black Cats - Panthers Tabbies - Tigers Orange Tabbies - Pumpkin Tigers Grey Cats - Dust Bin Cats (some call them Russian Blues) Tabby and White - Cape Cats Pink Cat - got into the Strawberry ice cream I left on the kitchen counter (originally white cat) Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home if u do a web search ,it shows you cats, It says they are medium size,JET BLACK,gleaming coat,GOLD TO COPPER EYES,sweet,facial expression.I have several all black cats,Naya, Ebony,Onyx,Heidi then I have black with the white on its chest which people call the collar in French, Bernie Mack,Button,Zorro he has the white mark on his chest and below his belly,Vogue, Nikita,then I have black and white ones.I HAVE LAMONT who is small all black and has those gold,deep orange,or copper eyes.Cathy From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Bombay kitty? What does that mean? K ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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You have quite a creative mind! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: This actually happened to me when I was answering our hotline for VOICE For Animals. A woman called asking if we could take an orange cat. I asked her why. What she said was that she had purchased a white sofa and the cat was getting orange fur all over it. She said she would be willing to take a white cat in exchange. She had had the orange cat for 2 years, had come into some money recently and was buying new living room furniture. I finally talked her out of dumping her cat on us by telling her about the sticky roller product for removing lint and hair from things. I also told her that she should purchase a multicolored sofa cover to keep the sofa covered for general use and whisk off the cover when company arrives. She was delighted with the ideas. I should write a book on how to color coordinate your rooms with your cats and dogs and how to color coordinate your daily work outfits with a shedding pet. Along those lines, here's a great idea for people who have too many cats and don't want the Animal Control Officer to notice. Exchange your cats with your neighbors until you all have sets of cats of the same color. You can take the white cats, then paint your furniture and walls white. The Officer will never notice the cats since they will blend in with everything. And you will go snow blind. A friend of mine actually had 6 black cats in an apartment where they only allowed 3 pets total. But with all the black cats, any time a cat sat at the window, it looked like the same cat. Cool, right? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home - Types of cats Lol Lee I like the pairing of furniture and cats. You should write a book(-; Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: All Black - Black Cats Black with white patch on chest and belly - Medallion Cats Black Cape with White Cravat - Tuxedo Cats Unofficial Types (I made up the names) White With Black Polka Dots - Spotty Cats or Cow Spot Cats White With Black on Head and Ears, Black Tail: Toupee Cats wearing Formal Tails. All Black Cats - Panthers Tabbies - Tigers Orange Tabbies - Pumpkin Tigers Grey Cats - Dust Bin Cats (some call them Russian Blues) Tabby and White - Cape Cats Pink Cat - got into the Strawberry ice cream I left on the kitchen counter (originally white cat) Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home if u do a web search ,it shows you cats, It says they are medium size,JET BLACK,gleaming coat,GOLD TO COPPER EYES,sweet,facial expression.I have several all black cats,Naya, Ebony,Onyx,Heidi then I have black with the white on its chest which people call the collar in French, Bernie Mack,Button,Zorro he has the white mark on his chest and below his belly,Vogue, Nikita,then I have black and white ones.I HAVE LAMONT who is small all black and has those gold,deep orange,or copper eyes.Cathy From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Bombay kitty? What does that mean? K ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Well actually the chair was new7 years ago, but that's still new to me! The scratches are just part of the decor!! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: This actually happened to me when I was answering our hotline for VOICE For Animals. A woman called asking if we could take an orange cat. I asked her why. What she said was that she had purchased a white sofa and the cat was getting orange fur all over it. She said she would be willing to take a white cat in exchange. She had had the orange cat for 2 years, had come into some money recently and was buying new living room furniture. I finally talked her out of dumping her cat on us by telling her about the sticky roller product for removing lint and hair from things. I also told her that she should purchase a multicolored sofa cover to keep the sofa covered for general use and whisk off the cover when company arrives. She was delighted with the ideas. I should write a book on how to color coordinate your rooms with your cats and dogs and how to color coordinate your daily work outfits with a shedding pet. Along those lines, here's a great idea for people who have too many cats and don't want the Animal Control Officer to notice. Exchange your cats with your neighbors until you all have sets of cats of the same color. You can take the white cats, then paint your furniture and walls white. The Officer will never notice the cats since they will blend in with everything. And you will go snow blind. A friend of mine actually had 6 black cats in an apartment where they only allowed 3 pets total. But with all the black cats, any time a cat sat at the window, it looked like the same cat. Cool, right? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home - Types of cats Lol Lee I like the pairing of furniture and cats. You should write a book(-; Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: All Black - Black Cats Black with white patch on chest and belly - Medallion Cats Black Cape with White Cravat - Tuxedo Cats Unofficial Types (I made up the names) White With Black Polka Dots - Spotty Cats or Cow Spot Cats White With Black on Head and Ears, Black Tail: Toupee Cats wearing Formal Tails. All Black Cats - Panthers Tabbies - Tigers Orange Tabbies - Pumpkin Tigers Grey Cats - Dust Bin Cats (some call them Russian Blues) Tabby and White - Cape Cats Pink Cat - got into the Strawberry ice cream I left on the kitchen counter (originally white cat) Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home if u do a web search ,it shows you cats, It says they are medium size,JET BLACK,gleaming coat,GOLD TO COPPER EYES,sweet,facial expression.I have several all black cats,Naya, Ebony,Onyx,Heidi then I have black with the white on its chest which people call the collar in French, Bernie Mack,Button,Zorro he has the white mark on his chest and below his belly,Vogue, Nikita,then I have black and white ones.I HAVE LAMONT who is small all black and has those gold,deep orange,or copper eyes.Cathy From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Bombay kitty? What does that mean? K ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
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Has anyone heard from Kat? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: I need new furniture but have decided to get used stuff until I have older cats. Makes it easier on everyone! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I love the color exchange for cats! And the black cats sitting in the window! I am amazed however that furniture can be more important to someone than the little soul that they have spent the last 2 years with! My cats shredded my new chair and when people say anything about it I just tell them what can I say? I like my cats a hell of a lot more than I like that stupid inanimate object! Why is that hard to understand? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: This actually happened to me when I was answering our hotline for VOICE For Animals. A woman called asking if we could take an orange cat. I asked her why. What she said was that she had purchased a white sofa and the cat was getting orange fur all over it. She said she would be willing to take a white cat in exchange. She had had the orange cat for 2 years, had come into some money recently and was buying new living room furniture. I finally talked her out of dumping her cat on us by telling her about the sticky roller product for removing lint and hair from things. I also told her that she should purchase a multicolored sofa cover to keep the sofa covered for general use and whisk off the cover when company arrives. She was delighted with the ideas. I should write a book on how to color coordinate your rooms with your cats and dogs and how to color coordinate your daily work outfits with a shedding pet. Along those lines, here's a great idea for people who have too many cats and don't want the Animal Control Officer to notice. Exchange your cats with your neighbors until you all have sets of cats of the same color. You can take the white cats, then paint your furniture and walls white. The Officer will never notice the cats since they will blend in with everything. And you will go snow blind. A friend of mine actually had 6 black cats in an apartment where they only allowed 3 pets total. But with all the black cats, any time a cat sat at the window, it looked like the same cat. Cool, right? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home - Types of cats Lol Lee I like the pairing of furniture and cats. You should write a book(-; Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: All Black - Black Cats Black with white patch on chest and belly - Medallion Cats Black Cape with White Cravat - Tuxedo Cats Unofficial Types (I made up the names) White With Black Polka Dots - Spotty Cats or Cow Spot Cats White With Black on Head and Ears, Black Tail: Toupee Cats wearing Formal Tails. All Black Cats - Panthers Tabbies - Tigers Orange Tabbies - Pumpkin Tigers Grey Cats - Dust Bin Cats (some call them Russian Blues) Tabby and White - Cape Cats Pink Cat - got into the Strawberry ice cream I left on the kitchen counter (originally white cat) Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home if u do a web search ,it shows you cats, It says they are medium size,JET BLACK,gleaming coat,GOLD TO COPPER EYES,sweet,facial expression.I have several all black cats,Naya, Ebony,Onyx,Heidi then I have black with the white on its chest which people call the collar in French, Bernie Mack,Button,Zorro he has the white mark on his chest and below his belly,Vogue, Nikita,then I have black and white ones.I HAVE LAMONT who is small all black and has those gold,deep orange,or copper eyes.Cathy From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Bombay kitty? What does that mean? K ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Been there(-: Sent from my iPhone On Nov 1, 2012, at 7:28 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks for the b-day wish. I tried saving them all and now have 40 cats. Probably wasn't such a good idea. No more room at the inn. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net; craig white craiglwh...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Thank you and Happy Birthday! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Happy Birthday Lee, you know, you are quite awesome yourself. HAPPY BIRTHDAY(-: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 31, 2012, at 9:19 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: You are definitely amazing, kind, brave,compassionate and wonderful. Today is my birthday and knowing that these two abandoned cats are now warm and safe and well fed is the best present I ever got. Thanks for being you. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net Cc: craig white craiglwh...@gmail.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Thanks to all for kind words. I am what I am - an animal lover. For those who care to know: I got both cats tho had to drive all the way to camp ground, (abt 6 hrs round trip), as cats were uncooperative to the point of downright hostility when Marcia's brother, Craig, had them in cardboard carriers. Cat scratch fever! He ended up putting them/in folding dog crate til I got there. Appears the grey one (actually more of a brown/black/grey tabby), was NOT the one the woman had deserted. The smaller black female was hers. The grey is a battle scarred fully intact male who roamed the campground. Craig had the honor of naming him - Ozzie it is. Oz for short. I am concerned about him as he is hoarse, has a funny nose, tearing eyes and sneezesupper resp issues at the very least I suspect. As soon as I closed them in my master bathroom (quarantine), he spent over 1/2 hr scarfing down food and water. Smaller black cat appears to have absolutely NO white on her. Not on chest, feet, tip of tail, nothing. Never seen one pure black before. She is a lover/lap cat. First thing out of carrier she made one round of bathroom and used the litter pan. My kind of Kitty. Unless Craig or Marcia come up with something else I am calling her Miss Kitty after Marshall Dillion's lady friend in Gun Smoke. According to Craig he talked to the lady who left her behind and Miss Kitty has been spayed and tested neg for FeLV. I have to ask him if he knows if she has had her vaccinations or not cause I don't want to double dose her. So, all is quiet in the master bathroom, I am calling my vet first thing tomorrow and 4 of my other kitties are lined up outside the bathroom door waiting to try and sneak in. Film at 11. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It is a very big relief. If only we could save them all from hunger, abuse and all other dangers. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 31, 2012, at 9:19 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: You are definitely amazing, kind, brave,compassionate and wonderful. Today is my birthday and knowing that these two abandoned cats are now warm and safe and well fed is the best present I ever got. Thanks for being you. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net Cc: craig white craiglwh...@gmail.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Thanks to all for kind words. I am what I am - an animal lover. For those who care to know: I got both cats tho had to drive all the way to camp ground, (abt 6 hrs round trip), as cats were uncooperative to the point of downright hostility when Marcia's brother, Craig, had them in cardboard carriers. Cat scratch fever! He ended up putting them/in folding dog crate til I got there. Appears the grey one (actually more of a brown/black/grey tabby), was NOT the one the woman had deserted. The smaller black female was hers. The grey is a battle scarred fully intact male who roamed the campground. Craig had the honor of naming him - Ozzie it is. Oz for short. I am concerned about him as he is hoarse, has a funny nose, tearing eyes and sneezesupper resp issues at the very least I suspect. As soon as I closed them in my master bathroom (quarantine), he spent over 1/2 hr scarfing down food and water. Smaller black cat appears to have absolutely NO white on her. Not on chest, feet, tip of tail, nothing. Never seen one pure black before. She is a lover/lap cat. First thing out of carrier she made one round of bathroom and used the litter pan. My kind of Kitty. Unless Craig or Marcia come up with something else I am calling her Miss Kitty after Marshall Dillion's lady friend in Gun Smoke. According to Craig he talked to the lady who left her behind and Miss Kitty has been spayed and tested neg for FeLV. I have to ask him if he knows if she has had her vaccinations or not cause I don't want to double dose her. So, all is quiet in the master bathroom, I am calling my vet first thing tomorrow and 4 of my other kitties are lined up outside the bathroom door waiting to try and sneak in. Film at 11. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yes, after u emailed U looked if up on the map and it would have been much further to drive to the campground. Looks like you stay up late like me. It just seems like there is a lot to do at night(: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:41 AM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: That is even further for me as I am 2 hrs S/SW of Col. Ask him to bring cat home, call me and I will arrange to pick up tomorrow. Again, 937 466 2840 I will stay home til at least 2 pm waiting to hear from him. Kathy On Monday, October 29, 2012, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Kay Candlewood Lake. North of Columbus about 40 minutes. Thank you(: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:43 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I sortof know where w jefferson is - dont think I have been there tho. What campsite is ur brothet at? Campsite might be closer for me than w jefferson? kat On Monday, October 29, 2012, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, I'm no big proponent of churches and may those pastors go straight to you know where if there is such a place. I have met a few nice sisters at Incarnate Word University so I was basing my knowledge on that. They maintain a large spayed and neutered feral colony outside the convent, in spite of some opposition from the priests and are very knowledgeable about FeLv and FIV. But I still maintain that if the camp grounds had cabins on them, people must have had to sign in and someone could find out who lived in the cabin and get the police on her ass. I do believe that in any state, abandonment of an animal is at least a misdemeanor. Of course, in this best of all possible worlds, probably not, probably not even if you dump your kids out on the road and take off. Sigh! Am I getting cynical or what... Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Oh, like the one church where the pastor shot the dog or another one where people were told NOT to help and/or feed a stray dog; or how about the preacher who trapped his neighbor's cat, left it in the back of his truck in a trap for a few days before taking him to the shelter, shelter said hey, he has a collar, cat belongs to your neighbor so then he threw the cat off a bridge. Yep, THOSE compassionate people? pftt (sorry, for the rant, just sick of mean people) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:59 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Is there a church nearby or a church or temple that you attend in the area. Maybe they could provide shelter/housing for the cat until something permanent can be found for the poor kitty. Aren't churches supposed to extend compassion to non-human animals also? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when he comes in after a rain/snow. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: Better a shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :( Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700 From: westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the Bronx N Y and I'll take him From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman
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His name is Craig. Wow, that's a lot of snow! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 8:44 AM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Hillsboro has received about 4-6 of snow since last nite when we started this conversation. Don't know what the rest of the world looks like but it is nasty here. Did your brother make it home? I will still meet him, it may take me a while tho as I live on a back country road and plows haven't been around yet. Will wait to hear from him. What is his name by the way? Yes, I have always been a night person. Some of us just are I guess. Internal clock is faulty or something. Kat On Tuesday, October 30, 2012, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, after u emailed U looked if up on the map and it would have been much further to drive to the campground. Looks like you stay up late like me. It just seems like there is a lot to do at night(: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:41 AM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: That is even further for me as I am 2 hrs S/SW of Col. Ask him to bring cat home, call me and I will arrange to pick up tomorrow. Again, 937 466 2840 I will stay home til at least 2 pm waiting to hear from him. Kathy On Monday, October 29, 2012, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Kay Candlewood Lake. North of Columbus about 40 minutes. Thank you(: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:43 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I sortof know where w jefferson is - dont think I have been there tho. What campsite is ur brothet at? Campsite might be closer for me than w jefferson? kat On Monday, October 29, 2012, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, I'm no big proponent of churches and may those pastors go straight to you know where if there is such a place. I have met a few nice sisters at Incarnate Word University so I was basing my knowledge on that. They maintain a large spayed and neutered feral colony outside the convent, in spite of some opposition from the priests and are very knowledgeable about FeLv and FIV. But I still maintain that if the camp grounds had cabins on them, people must have had to sign in and someone could find out who lived in the cabin and get the police on her ass. I do believe that in any state, abandonment of an animal is at least a misdemeanor. Of course, in this best of all possible worlds, probably not, probably not even if you dump your kids out on the road and take off. Sigh! Am I getting cynical or what... Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Oh, like the one church where the pastor shot the dog or another one where people were told NOT to help and/or feed a stray dog; or how about the preacher who trapped his neighbor's cat, left it in the back of his truck in a trap for a few days before taking him to the shelter, shelter said hey, he has a collar, cat belongs to your neighbor so then he threw the cat off a bridge. Yep, THOSE compassionate people? pftt (sorry, for the rant, just sick of mean people) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:59 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Is there a church nearby or a church or temple that you attend in the area. Maybe they could provide shelter/housing for the cat until something permanent can be found for the poor kitty. Aren't churches supposed to extend compassion to non-human animals also? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when he comes in after a rain/snow. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: Better a shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :( Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700 From: westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the Bronx N Y and I'll take him From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s
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Kat I'm so glad that you arent driving today! He said it is supposed to warm up tomorrow so maybe some snow will melt away. I'm so grateful you are taking the cats. What a difference it will make in their lives! If not for you, they may not have a life to look forward to. Thank you! My Mom was a big dog lover, had 12 collies in the house at one point. My grandma, who I spent a lot of time with, had cats and dogs. I love tem all! Big horse lover. I have eight of them. The economy has hit us hard, so I do the best I can. No one goes hungry(-: Take care and thanks again and again! Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 30, 2012, at 9:13 AM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: He just called me and we are probably going to try to get together tomorrow cause of the weather. He says there are two cats, the other a smaller black one, but it is very shy and he may not be able to catch it. He said the snow is letting up there so he is going to a local vet to get more food and a couple of cardboard cat carriers. I have his phone number so we will work something out. By the way, I like your brothers voice! Deep voices like his that resonate are so pleasant to hear! kat On Tuesday, October 30, 2012, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: His name is Craig. Wow, that's a lot of snow! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 8:44 AM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Hillsboro has received about 4-6 of snow since last nite when we started this conversation. Don't know what the rest of the world looks like but it is nasty here. Did your brother make it home? I will still meet him, it may take me a while tho as I live on a back country road and plows haven't been around yet. Will wait to hear from him. What is his name by the way? Yes, I have always been a night person. Some of us just are I guess. Internal clock is faulty or something. Kat On Tuesday, October 30, 2012, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, after u emailed U looked if up on the map and it would have been much further to drive to the campground. Looks like you stay up late like me. It just seems like there is a lot to do at night(: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:41 AM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: That is even further for me as I am 2 hrs S/SW of Col. Ask him to bring cat home, call me and I will arrange to pick up tomorrow. Again, 937 466 2840 I will stay home til at least 2 pm waiting to hear from him. Kathy On Monday, October 29, 2012, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Kay Candlewood Lake. North of Columbus about 40 minutes. Thank you(: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:43 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I sortof know where w jefferson is - dont think I have been there tho. What campsite is ur brothet at? Campsite might be closer for me than w jefferson? kat On Monday, October 29, 2012, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, I'm no big proponent of churches and may those pastors go straight to you know where if there is such a place. I have met a few nice sisters at Incarnate Word University so I was basing my knowledge on that. They maintain a large spayed and neutered feral colony outside the convent, in spite of some opposition from the priests and are very knowledgeable about FeLv and FIV. But I still maintain that if the camp grounds had cabins on them, people must have had to sign in and someone could find out who lived in the cabin and get the police on her ass. I do believe that in any state, abandonment of an animal is at least a misdemeanor. Of course, in this best of all possible worlds, probably not, probably not even if you dump your kids out on the road and take off. Sigh! Am I getting cynical or what... Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Oh, like the one church where the pastor shot the dog or another one where people were told NOT to help and/or feed a stray dog; or how about the preacher who trapped his neighbor's cat, left it in the back of his truck in a trap for a few days before taking him to the shelter, shelter said hey, he has a collar, cat belongs to your neighbor so then he threw the cat off a bridge. Yep, THOSE compassionate people? pftt (sorry, for the rant, just sick of mean people) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:59 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Is there a church nearby or a church or t
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Thank you for the info about cardboard carriers. This is a for sure abandonment. My brother has been there all summer. So has the lady with the cat. She took it in, fed it etc for about 7 months and then just left it. He said she tried to find a home with no prospects. So she just left! Nice huh? But great info about finding owners. It's just not the case here)-: Thank you so much Marcia Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:57 PM, Gesine gesine.catnat...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, a couple of notes -- 1) When brother goes to vets to get cardboard carriers -- see if he can borrow PLASTIC carriers. The cardboard carriers are not ideal for rescue -- they can very easily open, bottom can just fall out. If get wet, even worse. In emergency, we've done some rescues with cardboard carriers (or a cardboard box), but if possible, get PLASTIC. Have brother bring towels, drape the carrier(s) with cats in them after he gets them into his car. This helps calm down even very tame kibs. 2) Many cats do not know how to hunt -- momcat needs to teach them, in most cases. 3) Check whatever the official animal control, for that area -- check anonymously to make sure can list as found, without relinquishing cats. Do list as found, if you can! People tend to always assume this cat was purposefully dumped by their owner, when most of the time that's not the case -- -- someone who is NOT the owner could dump a cat -- cat could have gotten out of car, if person didn't understand you need to keep cats, who are in vehicles, in a cage or carrier 99 plus percent of the time, you'll never get a response. But once in a zillion, you'll reunite a cat with owner. Gesine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks Marcia Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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This is very informative(: may I ask what antibiotics were used? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 7:47 AM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Too sleepy to turn my computer back on so am sending from my iPod. Would the stomatitis recipe work even if the cat is not on a raw food diet? Has anyone tried it with success even when feeding regular cat food? Sent from my iPod On Oct 27, 2012, at 8:10 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Here it is: Holistic Stomatitis Protocol Note that holistic approaches take longer than do allopathic ones. These the supplements we've been using, but it doesn't mean some aren't optional. What seemed to turn things around was one course of antibiotics along with Coptis Purge Fire. You may have to continue with Coptis Purge Fire forever. We've just gotten rid of the stomatitis symptoms and have not tried stopping the supplements. It's better than extractions, which some say only work 50% of the time, and are expensive and invasive to boot. Supplements Health Concerns Coptis Purge Fire (2 tablets if 1 doesn't work) CoQ10 30mg (Dr. Clark) Vitamin A 25000 IU (Metagenics Mycelized Drops) Vitamin E (dry, no soy) 200 IU (may be optional) Lysine 500mg Standard Process Whole Body Support 1/2 to 1 tablet Standard Process Immune Support 1 tablet Tumeric 450mg 1/2 capsule Can also try: Colostrum 100mg / Lactoferrin 10mg (separate from food) Palliative Homeopathy (as opposed to Classical) Mercurius 30C Meds Antibiotics if really, really bad infections. Can do it once to get things to a level at which the cat can recover with supplements. Use probiotics separately (that is, at least an hour apart) for stomach flora. Cleanings Non-anesthetic sonic cleanings to keep gums clean. Don't feed ground bones if they are getting caught in any gum pockets; use calcium carbonate supplments instead to balance the Ca:Phos ratio (about 1400 mg per pound of ground meat). Topical Oxyfresh in the water. Pus in gums: Myrhh. Make a dilution by adding 1 teaspoon of the tincture (the alcoholic extract) to a cup of water. Gently apply this to the gums once or twice a day. Either use a soft toothbrush or, if the gums are too sensitive for this, flush the gums with this solution using a syringe. Diet Raw diet, per http://catnutrition.org My recipe with local suppliers available on request from khargrea...@gmail.com Developed with the help of Dr. Audra MacCorkle http://holisticanimaldoctor.com and the forum folks on http://holisticat.com On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I also have a cat with stomatitis, so I'd like to see your recipe too. Lorrie On 10-27, dot winkler wrote: Hi, Yes, I would love to know that holistic approach. The first vet there when I brought Tiger in, said he had stomatitis, chronic condition. When I called vet yesterday, other vet said AIDS pos and that they pulled a lot of teeth and are giving anti b. When I asked specifically if he has the stomatitis to her, she said that he is fine now so we have to wait and see if it recurs. Please send me that recipe for it. I will give it to my sis in law who will be taking the cat now. Thanks so much. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar) Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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I live in Kansas and the cat is in Ohio. My brother is at a campground several hundred miles from his house. He is leaving tomorrow. I could really smack that woman!!! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:36 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Is there a church nearby or a church or temple that you attend in the area. Maybe they could provide shelter/housing for the cat until something permanent can be found for the poor kitty. Aren't churches supposed to extend compassion to non-human animals also? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when he comes in after a rain/snow. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: Better a shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :( Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700 From: westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the Bronx N Y and I'll take him From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks Marcia Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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He's telling me that the shelters are all full. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: But if NO ONE is going to be there to feed him, that is cruel to just leave him :( Again, better off in a shelter or vet's office than left to die :( From: cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:20:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when he comes in after a rain/snow. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: Better a shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :( Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700 From: westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the Bronx N Y and I'll take him From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks Marcia Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Catherine I told him you would take tha cat. That he needs to take a road trip! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:04 PM, CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com wrote: Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the Bronx N Y and I'll take him From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks Marcia Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I'll have to get that from him. He's trying to help some older people get out of there right now. I am going to forward all of your emails to him. You are all so wonderful. Makes me want to cry. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 5:00 PM, Susan a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote: Details on cat male female age picture. I am in ky Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Catherine I told him you would take tha cat. That he needs to take a road trip! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:04 PM, CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com wrote: Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the Bronx N Y and I'll take him From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks Marcia Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Amen to that! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: You're right Edna.. Just because someone goes to church or is a pastor doesn't mean the person gives a damn about animals. I've seen many so called religious people do HORRIBLE things to animals. A lot of people feel God gave us animals to abuse. Now I'm not saying everyone is like that but I've seen many who are. Lorrie On 10-29, Edna Taylor wrote: Oh, like the one church where the pastor shot the dog or another one where people were told NOT to help and/or feed a stray dog; or how about the preacher who trapped his neighbor's cat, left it in the back of his truck in a trap for a few days before taking him to the shelter, shelter said hey, he has a collar, cat belongs to your neighbor so then he threw the cat off a bridge. Yep, THOSE compassionate people? pftt (sorry, for the rant, just sick of mean people) __ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:59 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Is there a church nearby or a church or temple that you attend in the area. Maybe they could provide shelter/housing for the cat until something permanent can be found for the poor kitty. Aren't churches supposed to extend compassion to non-human animals also? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Mt Gilead Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: Where in Ohio? -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks Marcia Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Are you in Ohio? My brother actually lives outside of Columbus but will be at the campground until tomorrow. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: Where in Ohio? -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks Marcia Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It really burns me up. See what i mean? Those are the really crazy buttholes and we, who clean up their mess are the ones who are made out to be crazy!!! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 7:19 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: -Since she left the cat, it is obvious that she does not care about it and I doubt very much if she would pay for it's care. When people find an animal and care for it during the summer, they take it home with them. --- Lee Evans wrote: Did he by any chance get the woman's name or car license plate number to look her up or do people have to register to use the camp grounds? He name would be on the registration. There must be some way to contact the woman or the camp manager and get the cat to safety or have the woman foot the bill for a vet clinic to board the cat until a foster home can be found. A shelter will simply kill the cat. If your brother can pack the kitty into a carrier, the dog won't make a snack of him until they can travel to a safe location for the cat. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Marcia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home I live in Kansas and the cat is in Ohio. My brother is at a campground several hundred miles from his house. He is leaving tomorrow. I could really smack that woman!!! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:36 PM, Lee Evans wrote: Is there a church nearby or a church or temple that you attend in the area. Maybe they could provide shelter/housing for the cat until something permanent can be found for the poor kitty. Aren't churches supposed to extend compassion to non-human animals also? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: MaiMaiPG To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when he comes in after a rain/snow. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: Better a shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :( Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700 From: westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the Bronx N Y and I'll take himFrom: Marcia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks Marcia Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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No, it's totally shut down. My brother is going to check sec of cat tomorrow. Thanks everyone! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 7:57 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, October 29, 2012, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: -If he has been on his own before, he should emember how to hunt. Is there on one at the camp all winter? soeone who could be persuded to give him some food.- -- Edna Taylor wrote: But if NO ONE is going to be there to feed him, that is cruel to just leave him :( Again, better off in a shelter or vet's office than left to die :( From: cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:20:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when he comes in after a rain/snow. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:Better a shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :( Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700 From: westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the Bronx N Y and I'll take him From: Marcia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks Marcia Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@fe i am in s ohio. what is status of this cat? k. green lineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I just saw this!!! Sorry, I just sent to my brother. I'll let u know what he says. I'll tell him to calm you. So u live in Ohio? That's where I am originally from. Do u know where West Jefferson is? Right outside of Columbus. That's my hometown and where my brother lives! Awesome! Nice to meet a Buckeye on this list!! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 8:23 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Marcia I am in Hillsboro, Oh. Tell yor brother to take cat home and call me tomorrow. I am 2 hrs from COL and will meet him somewhere to pick up cat and add to the 8 I have and love. I will spay/neuter if necessary and give a good home. Surely he can keep his dog away from it for 1 day? Kathy G. 937-466-2840 I have an answering machine and screen calls so tell him to start leaving a message saying he is calling about abandoned cat and I will pick up phone. I will be home between 8am and 2pm tomorrow to wait for his call. pls confirm you have received this and contacted him. thx Kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Kay, I just spoke with my brother and he will call u tomorrow. He is still in mt Gilead tonite. I can't thank u enough! What a day!! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 8:23 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Marcia I am in Hillsboro, Oh. Tell yor brother to take cat home and call me tomorrow. I am 2 hrs from COL and will meet him somewhere to pick up cat and add to the 8 I have and love. I will spay/neuter if necessary and give a good home. Surely he can keep his dog away from it for 1 day? Kathy G. 937-466-2840 I have an answering machine and screen calls so tell him to start leaving a message saying he is calling about abandoned cat and I will pick up phone. I will be home between 8am and 2pm tomorrow to wait for his call. pls confirm you have received this and contacted him. thx Kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I wrote Kay didn't I? Sorry. I'm all thumbs on this ting phone(-: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 8:23 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Marcia I am in Hillsboro, Oh. Tell yor brother to take cat home and call me tomorrow. I am 2 hrs from COL and will meet him somewhere to pick up cat and add to the 8 I have and love. I will spay/neuter if necessary and give a good home. Surely he can keep his dog away from it for 1 day? Kathy G. 937-466-2840 I have an answering machine and screen calls so tell him to start leaving a message saying he is calling about abandoned cat and I will pick up phone. I will be home between 8am and 2pm tomorrow to wait for his call. pls confirm you have received this and contacted him. thx Kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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All I know is that if is in Mt Gilead. I don't know the name, I'll text him and see if he is still up and let h know. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:43 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I sortof know where w jefferson is - dont think I have been there tho. What campsite is ur brothet at? Campsite might be closer for me than w jefferson? kat On Monday, October 29, 2012, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, I'm no big proponent of churches and may those pastors go straight to you know where if there is such a place. I have met a few nice sisters at Incarnate Word University so I was basing my knowledge on that. They maintain a large spayed and neutered feral colony outside the convent, in spite of some opposition from the priests and are very knowledgeable about FeLv and FIV. But I still maintain that if the camp grounds had cabins on them, people must have had to sign in and someone could find out who lived in the cabin and get the police on her ass. I do believe that in any state, abandonment of an animal is at least a misdemeanor. Of course, in this best of all possible worlds, probably not, probably not even if you dump your kids out on the road and take off. Sigh! Am I getting cynical or what... Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Oh, like the one church where the pastor shot the dog or another one where people were told NOT to help and/or feed a stray dog; or how about the preacher who trapped his neighbor's cat, left it in the back of his truck in a trap for a few days before taking him to the shelter, shelter said hey, he has a collar, cat belongs to your neighbor so then he threw the cat off a bridge. Yep, THOSE compassionate people? pftt (sorry, for the rant, just sick of mean people) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:59 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Is there a church nearby or a church or temple that you attend in the area. Maybe they could provide shelter/housing for the cat until something permanent can be found for the poor kitty. Aren't churches supposed to extend compassion to non-human animals also? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when he comes in after a rain/snow. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: Better a shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :( Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700 From: westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the Bronx N Y and I'll take him From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Kay Candlewood Lake. North of Columbus about 40 minutes. Thank you(: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:43 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: I sortof know where w jefferson is - dont think I have been there tho. What campsite is ur brothet at? Campsite might be closer for me than w jefferson? kat On Monday, October 29, 2012, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, I'm no big proponent of churches and may those pastors go straight to you know where if there is such a place. I have met a few nice sisters at Incarnate Word University so I was basing my knowledge on that. They maintain a large spayed and neutered feral colony outside the convent, in spite of some opposition from the priests and are very knowledgeable about FeLv and FIV. But I still maintain that if the camp grounds had cabins on them, people must have had to sign in and someone could find out who lived in the cabin and get the police on her ass. I do believe that in any state, abandonment of an animal is at least a misdemeanor. Of course, in this best of all possible worlds, probably not, probably not even if you dump your kids out on the road and take off. Sigh! Am I getting cynical or what... Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Oh, like the one church where the pastor shot the dog or another one where people were told NOT to help and/or feed a stray dog; or how about the preacher who trapped his neighbor's cat, left it in the back of his truck in a trap for a few days before taking him to the shelter, shelter said hey, he has a collar, cat belongs to your neighbor so then he threw the cat off a bridge. Yep, THOSE compassionate people? pftt (sorry, for the rant, just sick of mean people) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:59 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Is there a church nearby or a church or temple that you attend in the area. Maybe they could provide shelter/housing for the cat until something permanent can be found for the poor kitty. Aren't churches supposed to extend compassion to non-human animals also? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when he comes in after a rain/snow. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: Better a shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :( Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700 From: westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the Bronx N Y and I'll take him From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Hi guys Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't take it ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues
Lee I have a pet emu who totally intimidates my donkeys. It's so funny because they like to intimidate everyone else. What they don't know is that my emu wouldn't hurt a fly! He's very sweet and gentle!! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:48 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: It's funny to see my cats dash to the French doors in the cat room and begin chirping and twitching their whiskers in excitement over a bird. Then my peacock comes into view and they back away from the door. He's just too much bird for them. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues My boys chirp when they see birds close up. On Oct 16, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Maryam Ulomi wrote: Thanks, I do try to keep her happy and healthy. I really hope the breathing issues are not some upper respiratory issues Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 16, 2012, at 8:19, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: I don't think so. I'm not an expert, but in my experience, these chirping sounds mean that kitty is inquisitive and happy. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^= - Original Message - From: Maryam Ulomi To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:54 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues Hello, Kitty, the kitten I rescued from a feral mother 6 weeks ago, is making some chirping like sounds now. She also does some meowing and those chirping sounds when she jumps around or plays. Is that anything to be concerned about? Yesterday she did this not panting thing once and then again this am; I have an appointment to see the vet . But does anyone about such behavior? Sent from my iPhone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Nitnoy and felv
So terribly sad and so hard when they seem to get better. I think that is what makes it so damn hard to make a final decision. When the choice is in our hands it just not something that I think any of us take lightly. I'm so sorry about Nitnoy. Im sure her life with you was wonderful and I can only hope you take comfort in that. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 16, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm so sorry. I know how much you must grieve but you need to rejoice that you were holding her lovingly when she passed and you spoke to her and told her it was all right to leave. She is having no pain now, no discomfort, wherever it is that we all go when we pass. But you are still here stuck with the pain and grief. Please be nice to yourself and do something to relieve your unhappiness. You did a wonderful thing for Nitnoy. You gave her 4 years of quality life and love. Some people don't get as much. Hugs and blessings to you. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 5:07 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Nitnoy and felv My Nitnoy crossed over today at 12:45.She had been with me since 2008, survived a raccoon biting of her tail and being FELV +. There was nothing to idicate whaat was going on. During the holidays, she was not doing well so took her to ER. They did x-rays and complete bloodwork. I had told them she was FELV+ but they did not seem upset that she was just 1 point low on red and white cells. After the holiday, I took her to my vet as she was not improving, had not passed urine or stool. First thing he did was look at her anal glands. They were impacted and infected. He cleaned them out and gave her Covina and we brought home Orbax to be given once daily. Everything was much better, she was back to her self. Then Friday, she began hiding, not eating or drinking so took her to vet on Saturday. ONE THING SHE DID THAT STRUCK ME ODD - SHE TRIED TO EAT THE FIRBARK THAT MY ORCHIDS ARE PLANTED IN. Sat when we got to vet, my dr was not there, but his wife (also a vet) was. She said her lymph glands were slightly enlarged and gums very pale. We did another blood panel. Her white cells were .98 and her red blood cells were 3.2. Kidney and liver functions were normal as were creatine and bun. We thought about going to ER for transfusion, but she would have to stay over the weekend in a cage and we decided the stress would outweigh any good it might do plus her body might just kill the new blood and we would be right back where we started plus stress. Again, gave Covina shot and started again on Orbax. I wanted to try a tonic that has worked wonders on cancers, etc. Vet said ok but keep a record of what I did in case it worked. She actually seemed to improve. I was feeding with an eye dropper aruond 50 ml every hour (i can ad mixed with 3 cans hot water so she could swallow and also to egt fluids into her. She got around 50ml of tonic also. She took a turn for the worse this am at 3:30, but then seemed to get better. She was breathing easier, heart was strong and she responded to my voice and touch. By 12:45, she had gone completely the opposite direction. I was holding her aganst me as she seemed to like the body warmth when she gasped 3 or 4 times and the light in her eyes went out. I knew she was going and I told her it was all right. She held on with her claws, gave a sigh and that was all. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No signs and then they are gone.
I'm so sorry about Nitnoy)-: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 15, 2012, at 9:06 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: -Nitnoy was tortoise too. She was like a brindle all over with 4 cream socks and a cream streak to one side of her nose which gave her a clownish look. Add to that that a raccoon bit off all but 3 -4 of her tail and she was real short. She was like a cute litle stuffed toy. She was always in my face when I was eating and always first in line at feeding time so I gave her a 2nd name garbage can. Going to miss her a lot. --- Christiane Biagi wrote: Well my Tucson turned 14 this year. I lost my Romeo at age 9+ to lymphoma—it was also very fast…he was sick for a couple of weeks. I know I sound like a broken record but FELV virus has been around long before anybody even knew about it. Most cats don’t get tested—they certainly didn’t years ago. If it were that lethal, there wouldn’t be any cats left. I think there are probably a lot more cats out there not diagnosed living the good life. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of CATHERINE DIDONNA Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 9:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] No signs and then they are gone. That is one reason the ASPCA does not adopt out cats with FELV,because it hits all at once. FIV cats they adopt out,because they can live a long time.The lady that had the cat for 91/2 yrs ,good for you. Some cats without FELV don't live that long.Oh, It happened to me too,one day fine ,next day not feeling well,next day or two gone. But, they died home when they were ready.Cathy Fron the BRonx N Y From: Maureen Olvey To: dlg...@windstream.net; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Yeah, I wondered if there had been any signs earlier but I just didn't notice them. It was like one night she started breathing a little funny and the next day it became worse so I took her to the vet and of course the stress of the trip made things a lot worse so as soon as we got there the vets rushed her to the back to see what was going on. By the time they did the x-ray and got back to me she was getting weak. I went to the back where she was at to see her and talk with the vet and she died while we were talking. I had no prep time at all and it was awful. Here one day and gone the next. Her name was Two Face. She was a torti with some white on her and half her face was orange and the other half black. What a sweetheart. Wish I could have had her for a lot longer. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark TwainDate: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:06:48 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon CC: molvey...@hotmail.com That is the way it was with Nitnoy. We never really had the time to decide on treatment before she was gone. I keep thinking there is something I missed and should have seen. molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Lisa, You were lucky because 9 1/2 years is a long time for a FeLV cat, especially if he had it as a kitten. Most cats that had FeLV as a kitten don't live past 3 years. Many live less than a year. If you were giving him interferon then maybe that was it. I have heard of some that lived about that long but not too often if they got it as a kitten from their mom. One vet told me about one that lived until it was 18. I kind of wonder if the vet was smoking dope cause that's really odd. I had one that died at 2 years old that had a mediastinal tumor. Like Prancer she was fine then one day her breathing became labored. Before the vet and I could even discuss what to do she died. At the time I did not know she had FeLV because she tested negative as a kitten. They didn't see the tumor on X-ray because of all the fluid so we did a necropsy to see where the fluid was coming from. Sure enough the vet found this large tumor and it had actually punctured her heart and the fluid in her chest was all blood. Then the vet got curious and did a combo test and found the FeLV. My guess is that most likely the tumor would have eventually ruptured Prancer's heart too so you probably did the best thing for Prancer. I didn't know they could treat those kinds of tumors. In my cat's case it was too late when we found it but I'm glad to know that in case something comes up in the future. Maureen Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: Terri Brown To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon Date: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 3:23 pm I used interferon with Salome'. I started her
Re: [Felvtalk] Hartz
I know this sounds minor, but their cat litter ( I bought it in my small town because I'm 30 miles from a Walmart, and was in desperate need), anyway, their cat litter could cause emphysema in the cats that use it and the owners that scoop it! I was appalled and promptly sent them an email letting them know it. THEY SUCK! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 7, 2012, at 6:54 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 10-05, Lee Evans wrote: PLEASE, whatever you do, don't buy Hartz products. They are a company that doesn't care if animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for life. Thanks for bringing this up, Lee. I learned the hard way and used Hartz flea stuff for cats on one of my rescues, and he died in days from liver failure. I am appalled that this company is allowed to sell their stuff. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] O T Just don't read this if it upsets u.
AMEN LEE!!! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:30 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: WELL SAID LEE, AND EVERY WORD YOU WROTE IS THE TRUTH. On 10-04, Lee Evans wrote: I agree that neither candidate can make animal rights/welfare a major issue in this election and I also agree that the economy is the major issue that impacts our rescues and other people's companion animals the most. Then I look at the incumbent and see a man who was trussed up like a chicken about to go into the rotisserie and I see who did the trussing up, the Republican Senate. I look at who started the sub-prime mortgage mess that led to so many people losing their homes and I see a Republican President allowing banks and stock brokers and CEO's of investment companies to have free rein to grab the money and run. I see an ineffectual congress trying to get a fair tax program wherein people earning over a quarter of a million dollars a year would pay their fair share of taxes to run the country. Then I see Republicans putting up road blocks by saying that businesses would have to shut down if taxes were raised. Who the heck ever mentioned businesses? The problem is INDIVIDUALS who are rolling in money. I see Republicans coming in with smoke and mirrors and clouding the issue, confusing people into thinking that the tax hike would be on businesses. I see a ridiculous-on-both sides health care plan with over a thousand pages of gibberish regulations. What's wrong with just extending Medicare and Medicaid to everyone? What's the problem with not re-inventing the wheel and adopting the Canadian health care model? Then my friends tell me that we need a business man with a good sense of the economy to run the country. And I say, these are the same people who ran the country off a cliff for 8 years. I don't think I want them in the drivers seat again. Just my opinion. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
Stupid ideas from stupid people! Sorry, I hate to sound so judgemental, but seriously? Killed all the cats? That makes me sick. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:53 AM I get the same response from hostile people. Trees and vegetables are living things so you can't eat that either. Well, I will never be seen munching on a tree. I'm not a woodpecker but my idea is that I never eat anything that had a face or could move on feet, claws, feelers, or any way else. Most vegetables (except politicians) are meant to be eaten. So are fruits. When I was growing vegetables, I would allow a certain number of them to go to seed, to fulfill their need to propagate. The rest I would eat. Humans have a choice. Carnivorous species such as cats, lions, birds of prey don't have a choice so I wouldn't expect them to be made into vegetarians. Unfortunately, here comes the problem. If we all stop eating animals, then we won't kill cows, sheep, pigs and the cats won't have meat in their cat food. But here's the solution. They rarely have much meat in the cat food anyway. The first ingredient in most store products is corn meal. I assume that we could produce a balanced cat food with enough Taurine and other ingredients to satisfy physical needs of a carnivore like a cat if everyone in the world became vegetarian. However, thinking that everyone will some day become vegetarian is rather unrealistic, like those people who think that if we spay and neuter outside cats, colony cats, etc. we will some day not have any more cats and dogs on Earth. Actually, this happened in one city. They picked up all the cats and killed them at the city animal pound. Altogether, 2000 cats were destroyed. It was a small city. Everyone rejoiced. The outside roaming cat population was gone! Several months later, the outside roaming rat and mouse population increased to alarming levels and the city had to import a few hundred cats from surrounding cities to get things back under control. Stupid ideas abound. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw
My mom didn't like cats either, but I know where I came from. My gramma loved dogs and cats and I spent a log of time with her. My Mom loved loved dogs, we had 12 collies living with us, but NO CATS!! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Edna, Can't say I blame you for not backing down on the declawing. My mom didn't even like cats enough to adopt one. I never figured out how I became such an animal lover, because I was always dragging home injured animals and Mom would say Get that filthy thing out of here. If my mom saw how many cats I have now she'd turn over in her grave. Lorrie On 10-04, Edna Taylor wrote: Lorrie, I agree with you 100%. My Mom has wanted to adopt several kittens I have had in the past and I have always told her NO because she declaws, then she complains that her cats aren't as sweet and social as they were when they were kittens and I say that's because you tortured and mutilated them, good going Mom. That is one position that I will NOT back down from and I don't care if it hurts my Mom's feelings because she should have never done it in the first place and for what? furniture? pppft. Don't get me wrong, I love my Mom but I don't agree with what she did. Declawing is cruel and inhumane :( Edna __ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
Good point Natalie. The way they are being reared is a huge problem. I live in cattle country. I know that animals are only valued for dollars. I hear a lot listening to farmers, I don't say anything, that way I learn more about that mentality. I hugely detest gestation crates for pigs, who so do not deserve that. I write my congressman, sign petitions and share all that on FB. Because there are a ton of people out there that don't know where their food came from! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Actually, people started eating meat when the Ice Age came, they had to become hunters because they used to be mostly gatherers when the climate was conducive, and I’m sure that occasionally, they would hunt, too. There are people who actually live on only raw foods, fruit. Some of the Hunzas manage to survive on just “energy” – not sure how that works, mind over matter? Actually, people in jungles could very easily be vegan most of the time because of all the available fruit. As you may know, our intestines are extremely long, whereas true carnivores’ are very short. In a nutshell: Carnivores also have stronger digestive acids and the food moves very quickly through the intestines, in about 12 hrs. Food can be inside our intestines, putrefying as long as 36 hours, and with weaker digestive juices. If things go as they are on this planet, something will seriously have to change – rearing animals for food is not effective to feed the masses and also destroys the planet in more ways than one. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 2:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting That is pretty insane that they all had to die. BTW, I find it interesting that now people are against eating plants, how do these people live? What do they eat? your right people are not going to stop eating meat, people have been eating meat since the dark ages, Tribes that still live in the jungles how would they survive? People who depend on the land for food? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] President
Lorrie, Me too(: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: One brief thing... The Obama Care we now have is not even close to the way he wanted it. He had to make too many concessions to the Republicans who really screwed it up. My opinion - and you can guess who I'll vote for. Lorrie On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote: Well, I have a different take on the whole healthcare thing because I work for a health insurance company. I understand how the business works. That being said, there are good things about the Obamacare, but there are some things that are NOT. So I disagree that it should stand as it is. It needs to be replaced. My opinion. I cannot speak on behalf of my employer. Terri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
Yes, they are. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as keeping population under control. -Joslin From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately, innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the domestic animals, even farm animals. An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr old kid with them, blamed it on him. Turned out, it wasn't. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake. Lorrie On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area and I keep my cats close to home. Only Harley goes down the road, so HE stays inside. I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse. Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are animals so why can't I shoot them. They are only animals arn't they? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
There are several of us on this list who do not eat meat and believe that animals have the right to a life apart from what humans think they're here for, i.e. simply to feed humans or be used as a sporting event. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie? From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull. Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield). I’m sure that you will notice that the population doesn’t really go down in the long run. I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer biology/reproduction. Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as keeping population under control. -Joslin From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately, innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the domestic animals, even farm animals. An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr old kid with them, blamed it on him. Turned out, it wasn't. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake. Lorrie On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area and I keep my cats close to home. Only Harley goes down the road, so HE stays inside. I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse. Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are animals so why can't I shoot them. They are only animals arn't they? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
Yeah Natalie!!! (-: Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t really lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull. Next year, there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because hunting encourages and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and because states manage deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield). I’m sure that you will notice that the population doesn’t really go down in the long run. I have made it my business to learn as much as I can about deer biology/reproduction. Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as keeping population under control. -Joslin From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately, innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the domestic animals, even farm animals. An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr old kid with them, blamed it on him. Turned out, it wasn't. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake. Lorrie On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area and I keep my cats close to home. Only Harley goes down the road, so HE stays inside. I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse. Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are animals so why can't I shoot them. They are only animals arn't they? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
I have to tell you, that after watching my Mom go through the death process, I have decided that high cholesterol is lookin pretty good to me! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:40 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Sounds like my father! He also passed at home. He woke up hot and sweaty and said he wanted a bath. I started to bathe him and got his head done when I noticed him listing to one side. Tried to get him back to bed, but had to let him lie on floor rather than drop him. Did CPR, called 911, but he was gone before they got there. Miss him very much, but glad he went that way. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Good for him. Dying at home is the best way. I want to croak at home in my own bed. On 09-26, Terri Brown wrote: My father who passed away this past December (may he rest in peace), passed away at home, with morphine drops and water if he wanted it. In his case, it was heart failure, and he didn't want to die in the hospital. He literally said to my sister (pardon the language) I am sick of this fucking hospital. Take me home. I want to die on my couch. So that's what he did. Terri - Original Message - From: [1]Lorrie To: [2]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. ___ Felvtalk mailing list [3]Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [4]http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemi a.org References 1. mailto:felineres...@frontier.com 2. mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 3. mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 4. http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 26, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 09-25, Marcia wrote: My 3 other siblings and I took care of my Mom for 3 weeks while she died at home. Her request(: hospice said no fluid, so she laid there with nothing all that time, struggling to breath, to swallow. Etc. I only cried one time during that 3 weeks, because I had a job to do that required quite a bit of mental strength and clarity. The day I broke down was when Timothy McVay was euthanized. I cried because my mother was suffering and that son of a bitch died effortlessly. People should have that choice and in some countries they do. But not here in the land of the free. That must have been a terrible expeience for you Marcia. Wasn't she given fluids by mouth and morphine? As for McVay - He should have been tortured to death! Criminals also get free surgery and all the other things we don't get. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
Hospitals aren't good at palliative care. It wasn't that my Mom requested no tubes, it was that Hospice didn't want her to have fluids. They said it would make her uncomfortable. I went toe to toe with that lady. Her Dr said she could have fluids, hospice said no. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 26, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
Yes, I read that Drs are trained to save lives, not end them. And I don't mid that language a bit(: Sent from my iPhone On Sep 26, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: My father who passed away this past December (may he rest in peace), passed away at home, with morphine drops and water if he wanted it. In his case, it was heart failure, and he didn't want to die in the hospital. He literally said to my sister (pardon the language) I am sick of this fucking hospital. Take me home. I want to die on my couch. So that's what he did. Terri - Original Message - From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
My 3 other siblings and I took care of my Mom for 3 weeks while she died at home. Her request(: hospice said no fluid, so she laid there with nothing all that time, struggling to breath, to swallow. Etc. I only cried one time during that 3 weeks, because I had a job to do that required quite a bit of mental strength and clarity. The day I broke down was when Timothy McVay was euthanized. I cried because my mother was suffering and that son of a bitch died effortlessly. People should have that choice and in some countries they do. But not here in the land of the free. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 25, 2012, at 11:17 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: There's a thin line between keeping someone alive on all kinds of tubes and heroic measuresone has to really specify, and even then, they won't just give you something.! My mother was at the hospital at the hospice area, after a stroke, with no hope - and she had a living will. She was kept on fluids and morphine, unitl she died. It would have been so much better to have had euthanasia! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 3:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep people alive when they are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The only states that allow doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash. and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV. Dr. Kevorkian was my hero. I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think of not being able to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a Living Will requesting NO heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but sometimes they keep you alive anyway. Lorrie alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote: personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their suffering. What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in bed in a vegetative state? Who are we keeping that person alive for? to what end? If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a bang ;) But then again, that is just my opinion ;) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
Wow Lee! I love u!!! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 25, 2012, at 9:43 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: The problem with euthanasia for pets is that most people will use it for their own convenience. I have seen this happen several times and it's really terrible but there is no crime in killing an animal. We do this every day to eat them, for sport, as trophies or just because we don't want them any more. They don't match the new sofa or they might scratch the new sofa. I have a cat rescued from the vet clinic when the woman I was sitting next to who had a lovely white male cat in a carrier told me she was having him euthanized because he was an outside cat and it was too much trouble to call him in at night. Another woman brought in her two older cats, lovely Maine Coon mixes, obviously still full of life to have them put to sleep because she and her husband were going on a world tour. And a third woman was getting married and her husband to be hated cats so off went her 8 year old Persian mix. Well, not exactly off. I adopted the white cat. I still have him. He tested FIV+ because the woman had not bothered to neuter him as a teen. He's in my little FIV+group, perfectly happy to be indoors. The world tour people left their cats at the vet clinic and one of the techs adopted them and the idiot who was marrying a cat hater never knew that her cat was adopted by one of the secretaries at the vet clinic. But these success stories happened because I was there and convinced the technician and the secretary that death was unfair to the cats and they agreed. Veterinary medicine is still for the benefit of the owner. Animals are considered property rather than individuals with the right to having a caregiver and the right to their own lives. We choose not to see the suffering of a truly terminally ill companion animal because we don't want to feel the pain of the loss. We choose not to see how unethical it is to kill millions of cats and dogs because there are too many around or they are positive for some disease that they do not have at the present time and may never actually come down with or any number of other reasons we use to murder non-human animals. Everyone will eventually die. It's a bad plan but we had no say in it. However, the idea that we have to kill animals because they might die of this or that is not ethical. The idea that a human is so precious that we keep him or her alive way past reason is equally illogical and unethical. I don't have any answers so I try to use logic. I don't euthanize for convenience. I allow maximum care for my rescued cats, for my FeLv+ cats and my FIV+ cats. I watch to see if their lives have gone beyond the limit of being useful to them, not to me and then I accept the pain it will cause me and allow them to pass on. I don't tell myself fairy tales about where they go. I miss them and I accept the grief knowing that they are no longer in pain or distress. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough With those beliefs, please check into a Do Not Resuscitate Order. LWs are great but stopping something once it is started is difficult. A DNR can help keep measures from being started. On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Lorrie wrote: Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep people alive when they are suffering and there is no recovery in sight. The only states that allow doctor assisted suicide are Oregon, Wash. and Montana. It can't happen in my state of WV. Dr. Kevorkian was my hero. I'll be 80 my next birthday and it terrifies me to think of not being able to end my life when I'm ready. I've signed a Living Will requesting NO heroic measures, if I'm terminal, but sometimes they keep you alive anyway. Lorrie alive-25, Edna Taylor wrote: personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their suffering. What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in bed in a vegetative state? Who are we keeping that person alive for? to what end? If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or accident, I would want my husband to use what money we had, go out and get as much booze and coke as he could get and let me go out with a bang ;) But then again, that is just my opinion ;) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough
Yes people suck.a very good friend of mine (who I had in a pedestal) just put her 8 year old perfectly healthy border collie put to sleep. I went to her house to see what happened and she told me that they just didn't want anyone to have to take care of her while they went here and there. I was shocked and It left me with a really bad taste in my mouth. Honestly, I can't stop thinking about it. What is WRONG with people??? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 25, 2012, at 11:37 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: People always bring perfectly healthy pets to my vet to “put to sleep”(he refuses), that, however is NOT euthanasia – many vets do it, many refuse. However, many people are so hung up on having their pets killed, that they won’t allow anyone to take them, and insist that the vet kill them. People suck, that’s all there is to it. My vet hates euthanasia, something must have happened to him, by law, he has to insert it, but his vet tech actually does it, while he runs out of the room, white as a sheet. I once had to euthanize our very old and sick dog and a cat with cancer, about to die. He just couldn’t take two at one time….I was doing better than he was. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough The problem with euthanasia for pets is that most people will use it for their own convenience. I have seen this happen several times and it's really terrible but there is no crime in killing an animal. We do this every day to eat them, for sport, as trophies or just because we don't want them any more. They don't match the new sofa or they might scratch the new sofa. I have a cat rescued from the vet clinic when the woman I was sitting next to who had a lovely white male cat in a carrier told me she was having him euthanized because he was an outside cat and it was too much trouble to call him in at night. Another woman brought in her two older cats, lovely Maine Coon mixes, obviously still full of life to have them put to sleep because she and her husband were going on a world tour. And a third woman was getting married and her husband to be hated cats so off went her 8 year old Persian mix. Well, not exactly off. I adopted the white cat. I still have him. He tested FIV+ because the woman had not bothered to neuter him as a teen. He's in my little FIV+group, perfectly happy to be indoors. The world tour people left their cats at the vet clinic and one of the techs adopted them and the idiot who was marrying a cat hater never knew that her cat was adopted by one of the secretaries at the vet clinic. But these success stories happened because I was there and convinced the technician and the secretary that death was unfair to the cats and they agreed. Veterinary medicine is still for the benefit of the owner. Animals are considered property rather than individuals with the right to having a caregiver and the right to their own lives. We choose not to see the suffering of a truly terminally ill companion animal because we don't want to feel the pain of the loss. We choose not to see how unethical it is to kill millions of cats and dogs because there are too many around or they are positive for some disease that they do not have at the present time and may never actually come down with or any number of other reasons we use to murder non-human animals. Everyone will eventually die. It's a bad plan but we had no say in it. However, the idea that we have to kill animals because they might die of this or that is not ethical. The idea that a human is so precious that we keep him or her alive way past reason is equally illogical and unethical. I don't have any answers so I try to use logic. I don't euthanize for convenience. I allow maximum care for my rescued cats, for my FeLv+ cats and my FIV+ cats. I watch to see if their lives have gone beyond the limit of being useful to them, not to me and then I accept the pain it will cause me and allow them to pass on. I don't tell myself fairy tales about where they go. I miss them and I accept the grief knowing that they are no longer in pain or distress. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough With those beliefs, please check into a Do Not Resuscitate Order. LWs are great but stopping something once it is started is difficult. A DNR can help keep measures from being started. On Sep 25, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Lorrie wrote: Absolutely Edna. It is positively cruel to keep
Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts
I'm so sorry and admire for your plea of non judgement. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: One of my FeLV foster cats, Barnaby, was adopted last week. His adopters kept him in a bathroom for 2 days (they were told to give him at least 2 weeks to get used to being moved) then let him out in a house. He immediately went in a crawl space in the basement. The space is inaccessible. He has not eaten food that has been left in the ceiling. This is going on a week now he has not had food or water. We are going over tonight to with a snake camera which can see into tight places. We have to decide whether to cut a hole in the side of the house or remove the bathtub. Please don't judge this persons involved. Just please keep him in your thoughts tonight. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts
That's is wonderful news!!! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:56 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: After 5 hrs we have him. What an evening! Barnaby is on his way to the emergency vet. Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I'm so sorry and admire for your plea of non judgement. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: One of my FeLV foster cats, Barnaby, was adopted last week. His adopters kept him in a bathroom for 2 days (they were told to give him at least 2 weeks to get used to being moved) then let him out in a house. He immediately went in a crawl space in the basement. The space is inaccessible. He has not eaten food that has been left in the ceiling. This is going on a week now he has not had food or water. We are going over tonight to with a snake camera which can see into tight places. We have to decide whether to cut a hole in the side of the house or remove the bathtub. Please don't judge this persons involved. Just please keep him in your thoughts tonight. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Nutrition and new FeLV positive kitten
Could there be a hidden infection? Something is causing those lymph nodes to swell. I admire you, for taking in this little kitten. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 17, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Thanks, she is already taking l-lysine twice a day. We have done stool sample, bloodwork and urine test and there is no infection, which is why my vet believe she will test positive again when retested in 3 months. Sent from my iPhone. On Sep 17, 2012, at 8:54, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: L-lysine a good supplement to add, but if her glands are swollen, she needs to go to the vet for bloodwork. She may be fighting off an infection need meds. There is not reason you cannot keep her with your other cat if she continues to test positive. Just make sure you cat is up to date on it's FeLV vaccine. (initial vaccine booster) Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:39 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Nutrition and new FeLV positive kitten Hello, I'm sorry for that first email. I wanted to find out if anyone had some advice and suggestions on nutrition for the little kitten I have rescue who is FeLV positive. She has tested positive and is the kitten of a feral cat, her glands are big but I'm hoping because she is now indoor and being cared for well she will test negative so I can keep her with my other two adult cats. I have been feeding her canned good with very high protein contents and no seafood, I read that was the recommended diet but any other suggestions, hints, are very welcome! Thank you Sent from my iPhone. On Sep 17, 2012, at 8:34, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet
The Wall Street Journal said that vets make 40%. Then u have manufacturing cost, marketing costs, etc. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2012, at 6:25 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: People always believe that if something is expensive, it MUSDT be good! Well, it's the exact opposite. The only one I ever use is A-D when I have to syringe the food - and I add vitamins minerals to it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet On 08-31, Marcia wrote: I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't know any of this!! Science Diet is really crappy food, and it's wrong of vets to push it. Not many people read labels or understand what low quality food it is, and they buy it because their vets sell it. I'm sure vets get a kick back from the company. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
Good question! Kay, my mother had Collies and pressure cooked whole chickens for them. We'd come home do School and smell that, thinking, yum!! Chicken and dumplings!!! Uh-uh! Nope! Chicken for the dogs! Lol, I ended up just like my Mom(-: except of course, now I don't eat the meat. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote: I have been vegetarian a few years, but I often buy and cook chichen for the cats. I boil it, then shred it, and almost always have a bowl of it in my fridge and/or freezer for them. My friends think I am whacko because of that. I don't ever eat it, but I know cats have different needs, and they need meat. I , naturally have the option, being omnivorous, but they don't have the same choice in their diet, as you all well know. About once a month, I am a chicken cooking fool, on a fairly large scale. (I always apologize to the birds. haha) I've also heard that cats cannot taste sweet, Kathryn... I am baffled by this. I know that they love the taste of Karo syrup, and even concentrated SUGAR WATER is often used on the gums of kits to stimulate a little appetite, especially the wee ones who need to take a bottle. Also, though I have never tasted it, I heard anti-freeze is sweet, and that is why so many cats are poisoned by it. This sounds like such a contradiction to me, and I wonder, if it's not the sweet they taste in the syrup, what is it? And in sugar water, there is only sugar...and water. What else could it be? Kat -- Forwarded message -- From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 02:55:28 -0800 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition I've been vegan for almost 20 years (vegetarian for some some before that), so it's always funny when people see me buying so much meat for the cats. -- Forwarded message -- From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 03:38:11 -0800 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition Some of my cats adore veggies. Cats can't taste sweet, did you know? No receptors for it. On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: They might just like veggies, plus corn is sweet. My cats are obsessed with lettuce. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition There's so much corn in cat food that when I opened a can of corn for myself recently, one of my cats ran over and began gobbling it. Sheesh! Since I'm a vegetarian, they don't get leftovers like hamburger and chicken. So they eat my corn and tofu. Weird world. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest veggies very well, much less grains, which can give them diabetes and IBD), but unless the corn and soy are organic, they are most likely GMO, and soy can give cats Hyperthyroidism (I learned this the hard way on a 7-month-old who died). Yes, fish dries the system (ours, too), and is a mercury risk. I've already said what I think about dry food. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: My Homey has had several bouts of crystals. She liked the Hill's SD canned food, but not the dry. I had taken my guys off Hills because they ahve corn, wheat and soy and they are allergic to those ingredients. I now feed Blue buffalo dry DUCK. We love that and also the duck canned food. We hate chicken and fish which is okay because the vet said fish can be part of the problem. I have tried to get them off the dry, but not too much luck. Right now, Homey is okay. I got water fountains and everyone loves them. It recirculates the water thre a filter. The plastic ones are okay, but need to be cleaned out more often. I got one on line that is stainless steel. Much better, lower profile so I can open cabinet doors without hitting it and it does not need to be cleaned as often. With the fountains, the water is always moving, makes noise and they do drink more water. You might try them. Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
Lee I'm a vegetarian too! It's nice to meet another(-:. But, yes I know what u mean, no meat leftovers for the kitties! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Aug 31, 2012, at 1:46 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: There's so much corn in cat food that when I opened a can of corn for myself recently, one of my cats ran over and began gobbling it. Sheesh! Since I'm a vegetarian, they don't get leftovers like hamburger and chicken. So they eat my corn and tofu. Weird world. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest veggies very well, much less grains, which can give them diabetes and IBD), but unless the corn and soy are organic, they are most likely GMO, and soy can give cats Hyperthyroidism (I learned this the hard way on a 7-month-old who died). Yes, fish dries the system (ours, too), and is a mercury risk. I've already said what I think about dry food. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: My Homey has had several bouts of crystals. She liked the Hill's SD canned food, but not the dry. I had taken my guys off Hills because they ahve corn, wheat and soy and they are allergic to those ingredients. I now feed Blue buffalo dry DUCK. We love that and also the duck canned food. We hate chicken and fish which is okay because the vet said fish can be part of the problem. I have tried to get them off the dry, but not too much luck. Right now, Homey is okay. I got water fountains and everyone loves them. It recirculates the water thre a filter. The plastic ones are okay, but need to be cleaned out more often. I got one on line that is stainless steel. Much better, lower profile so I can open cabinet doors without hitting it and it does not need to be cleaned as often. With the fountains, the water is always moving, makes noise and they do drink more water. You might try them. Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she contracted a UTI. She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder. I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D. I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet. My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry food and turned away. After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake! I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what kind of food/diet did you switch to? Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well. I used to feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! Emma Beauchamp ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't know any of this!! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2012, at 12:00 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Whenever our cats were put on Science Diet, they hated it, lost weight…because they didn’t want to eat it. Wasted a lot food, a lot of money, and didn’t help the cats. It’s disgusting! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition I absolutely detest Science Diet. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more often with it. So I finally quit using. Water fountains are great. Not only do the cats drink. They sit for hours watching the water go round and round. Only problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around the fountain. Maybe they were trying to imitate it. Who knows what goes through the minds of cats. No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad attitude. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition Vets push the Hills because Hills says to. Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she contracted a UTI. She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder. I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D. I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet. My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry food and turned away. After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake! I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what kind of food/diet did you switch to? Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well. I used to feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! Emma Beauchamp ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: Fleas
I thought that cedar caused liver damage in small animals. Anyone see ever hear about this? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I found something that I received from a friend a while back – was someone asking about flea treatments in this group? I think I have used everything you can think of and this is the best stuff I have used. The fleas take one or two steps and they are gone. There is no residual effect, but your house smells like a cedar closet. Best Way is what they sell to spray right on the pet and in your house. Then ProChoice I think is the name of it for your yard. This stuff kills all non beneficial insects but not benefical like bees and butterflies. So daddy long legs will survive but not roaches or mosquites or ticks etc. www.cedarcide.com It is made in Houston, Tx from a specific cedar tree. Susan ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
I would say any wet food and preferably without by products. It may help to go to Tanya's CRF site and see what they recommend for wet food. My vet just gave me a free sample bag of Science diet kitten chow all the while telling me that cats are carnivores and need protein. Know what the 2nd ingredient is in that food? Whole corn! I guess my vet didn't read the ingredients. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more often with it. So I finally quit using. Water fountains are great. Not only do the cats drink. They sit for hours watching the water go round and round. Only problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around the fountain. Maybe they were trying to imitate it. Who knows what goes through the minds of cats. No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad attitude. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition Vets push the Hills because Hills says to. Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she contracted a UTI. She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder. I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D. I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet. My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry food and turned away. After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake! I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what kind of food/diet did you switch to? Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well. I used to feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! Emma Beauchamp ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
I absolutely detest Science Diet. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more often with it. So I finally quit using. Water fountains are great. Not only do the cats drink. They sit for hours watching the water go round and round. Only problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around the fountain. Maybe they were trying to imitate it. Who knows what goes through the minds of cats. No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad attitude. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition Vets push the Hills because Hills says to. Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she contracted a UTI. She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder. I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D. I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet. My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry food and turned away. After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake! I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what kind of food/diet did you switch to? Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well. I used to feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! Emma Beauchamp ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
I love the possums too! They used to eat with my inside outers on my front porch, and would sit in the squirrel feeding box that I had in the front yard. I love em and the fact that they are marsupials make them all the more fascinating(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jun 1, 2012, at 9:56 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Possums don't bother me but the coons do. I have trapped and relocated both (not during baby season) because they were raiding my mother's house, threatening her ferals and endangering themselves thanks to the problems they were causing neighbors. They were relocated to a farm I own. I brought the coons over immediately because they were vicious and very likely to hurt themselves trying to escape (can't blame them). They get/carry a lot of diseases including canine distemper which makes people think they are rabid when they are not but they do carry rabies. As noted, they can easily kill cats and dogs, even hunting (read fairly large dogs). They are extremely messy and destructive and can get into about anything. I know, and knew, from personal experience but was not willing to turn the captives over to hunters or to locate them where there wasn't an appropriate environment. Possums will defend themselves if they have to but are fairly calm...again from personal experience. They are wonderful at insect control and I have watched them under the porch lights on the farm...inhaling the insects. Just FYI: The coons are very cute and charming.not so much with the possums but they are actually darlings in my world. On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Natalie wrote: Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating together with possums - it's amazing. The first time I saw it, I was really terrified for the cat! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION cats and possums getting along. That was one worry I had about feeding the birds, that the cats could be hurt by them. So far, all my cats have enough good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat. Somehow they seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them. Coons can kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold their head down until the drown them. Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so they can pass through. I lean boards up Against the sides. It's low perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues end up being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters
Lee You said this so well. Thank you. I always tell people that that particular life is important to the being that is living it. I don't know if it sinks in, but it's actually very simple! Crazy as it may sound, I was in the theatre 21 years ago watching city slickers. When billy crystal was trying to save Norman the calf I decided to quit eating meat. His life was worth being saved, just because it is a life, not because he is dollars in someone else's eyes. I know it was just a movie, but the insinuations in that movie had a huge impact on me. Life is life, no matter what form that life takes. Then when they herded all the cattle in and the rancher informed them that the cattle were headed for slaughter because their life isn't a very good life anyway. That sealed the deal for me. How can ANYONE decide that? Even though we're still talking about a movie, this is the general mindset. So anyway, thank you so much for the beautiful way you wrote this. Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jun 3, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: It's so much easier to slap a label on someone then to ask them why they are doing what they are doing. The problem is that they don't see that the life force that is in humans is also in every other living being. To them, cats are rocks. They can't see beyond their own bare hide to the spirit inside the furry hide of a cat, wolf, dog, cow, sheep and other animals. Even non furry beings have a right to live. They can't seem to get the message that there's nothing crazy about caring about or for other individuals on this planet. Lack of awareness is the basis for all racism, ageism and misogyny. It's unfortunate that the brain is fast becoming a vestigial organ. More soap from my soapbox. From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters That sounds like Lincoln County, Mo. Everyone thinks I am crazy for having 7 cats and actually taking them to the vet when they are ill. And I let them come into the house! My nickname around here is Crazy Cat Lady. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: The problem here is that I'm in Texas. Killing is the State Sport. Unfortunately, most of the Animal Control Officers don't even know the new rules, which include acceptance of TNR as a way to control outside cats. They are still terrorizing people who have a small batch of backyard cats who are spayed/neutered and have their rabies shots. They are counting these cats in the 8 cat limit when the new code states specifically that they are NOT included in the cat limit rule. They recently reduced the number of cats/dogs allowed to 8 from 10. This makes no sense except when you realize that they will now charge for an excess animal permit. Then it makes sense to reduce the legal limit so that a number of people are now over the limit and have to purchase the permit. Nasty little tricks. People who have received a citation in the past for having over the permissible limit of cats/dogs are prohibited from purchasing the permit. More nonsense. From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:28 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters I trimmed this so maybe it will go through. . . -- Forwarded message -- From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org One approach you can take with the bosses (usually the city councils) of the pounds is to point out that the current staff is most likely permanently mentally damaged by participating in the old methods---much the way soldiers are by combat---and that they either need intensive (life-long?) counseling to change their attitudes, or retirement. This I gleaned from HSUS' (not a big proponent of No Kill) book on compassion fatigue in the animal care community: http://www.amazon.com/Compassion-Fatigue-Animal-Care-Community-Charles/dp/0974840076 -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] let's get honest, Chuckie
You summed us all up, and everyone here IS AWESOME. I think we are a special breed of human beings and are doing what we are supposed to be doing. I love this group too, and feel so fortunate to have found all of you. OK I'm done now. Thank you Kat for putting this matter in perspective(-: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On May 29, 2012, at 11:44 PM, Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote: I love this group. I love the people in it. I love the passion the members of this group have for the kitties who are unfortunate enough to meet up with this deadly retrovirus, and the dedication to improving infected cats' lives. Anyone who comes in here with less than the best of intentions for FeLV positive kitties understandably will not be coddled and cosseted. And even the person receiving the scolding will understand that it is coming from a place deep in the heart, borne of love and compassion, if they are honestly looking at what is being said to them. I don't believe anyone could possibly be naive enough to NOT SEE where this criticism of them stems from, even if they refuse to state this fact out loud. lol And, knowing this, the smart thing to do would be to stick around and get a clue, because I am sure that with the desire to do right by their cat, anyone would be welcome and accepted here. In fact, this is what everyone is actually hoping for, I'll bet any money. These people in here are EXPERTS at FeLV+ cats, info, treatment, everything. This is a place you want to be if you have an FeLV+ cat you care about. Miracles of understanding and knowledge happen here. You say you treat them good and care about them/her. Awesome. Just say you want to help the kitties... we can help you help them. Step up, Sir. Do the right thing, please. (**And I agree... Ben does rock! I am in awe. B12.gif) Love and Katnip, ~Kat~ =^,,^= I'm Kat Parker. I park cats. Spay neuter your neighbors... maybe THAT will fix the problem. Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE HAPPY cat! http://www.facebook.com/kat.theCRITTERprotector ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
