Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 26

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I can't imagine anyone working harder to save a kittens life than you have 
Patricia I'm sure we are ALL so sorry that it was not successful... FeLV is 
such a terrible disease and your poor little girl has so many complications...
Bob

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> 1. Re: Rescued kitten felv + (Pam Doore)
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> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 10:55:23 -0400
> From: Pam Doore mailto:thyme2s...@gmail.com >
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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
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> You have my deepest sympathy Patricia! I am so so sorry!
> 
> ~~@~@~@~@~@
> 
> *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? **St. Patrick*
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 10:34 AM Patricia Oliveira 
> mailto:cinzaeamar...@gmail.com >
> wrote:
> 
> > > Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went 
> there
> > after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a 
> > seizure.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Vet medicated her so that seizure didn?t complete (diazepam and 
> mannitol).
> > 
> > > 
> > > I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a 
> farewell.
> > 
> > > 
> > > When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a 
> cardiopulmonary
> > arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had 
> passed
> > away.
> > 
> > > 
> > > As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian 
> veterinarians
> > says it is fip.
> > 
> > > 
> > > I don?t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn?t 
> bring her
> > home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had 
> > one more
> > day at home, with sun bath and love.
> > 
> > > 
> > > I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could 
> find for
> > Nori.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Thank you very much.
> > 
> > > >
> 
> > > Patr?cia
> > 
> > > 
> > > Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 ?s 00:22, Amani Oakley 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com >
> > escreveu:
> > 
> > > >> We?re all pulling for Nori.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Amani
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk  mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > * On Behalf Of *Ardy
> >> Robertson
> >> *Sent:* June 10, 2019 11:21 PM
> >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello all ? I?m following Nori?s progress and please know, I?m keeping
> >> her in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the 
> Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone
> >> combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for 
> taking
> >> such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always.
> >>
> >> Ardy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk  mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > *On Behalf Of *Amani
> >> Oakley
> >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM
> >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous
> >> fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for 
> now, it
> >> makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the 
> IV
> >> fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn?t take 
> much
> >> to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I guess it?s just me. 

Re: [Felvtalk] Nori's News

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Patricia...

I'm so happy that you have some _ good_ news for once... You are very special 
to care so lovingly for this unfortunate kitten and if she makes it there will 
be NO question she has you to thank...

Bob in Warwick NY
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> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 21:33:11 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Sandra Wachtstetter 
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> Awesome news!!!
> 
> 
> > On June 9, 2019 at 2:09 PM Patricia Oliveira  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I have experience with subqs.
> > 
> > Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was 
> > there. She is more active and attentive to what happens.
> > 
> > Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as 
> > if she had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even 
> > malnutrition. 
> > 
> > Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription. 
> > 
> > Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she 
> > has nothing more.
> > 
> > Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :)
> > 
> > Thank you!
> > 
> > Patr?cia
> > 
> > 
> > Em s?b, 8 de jun de 2019 ?s 23:23, Amani Oakley < 
> > aoak...@oakleylegal.com mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > escreveu:
> > 
> > > > 
> > > One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her 
> > > subcutaneous fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. 
> > > However, for now, it makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume 
> > > they are warming the IV fluids too, because again, with such a small 
> > > kitten, it wouldn?t take much to chill her if the fluids are at room 
> > > temperature or colder.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I guess it?s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my 
> > > cats whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs 
> > > some extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal 
> > > cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I?m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Amani
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > From: Felvtalk  > > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > On Behalf Of Patricia 
> > > Oliveira
> > > Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. 
> > > Receives external heating too. 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature 
> > > and heart rate several times a day.
> > > 
> > > I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even 
> > > with fluids IV. I don?t know if it is safe to bring her now.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Em s?b, 8 de jun de 2019 ?s 22:03, Amani Oakley 
> > > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > escreveu:
> > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > Patricia
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure 
> > > > it is good news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. 
> > > > Very good news on the rosy gingiva.
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears 
> > > > to have had a bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking 
> > > > to one another as a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that 
> > > > the look like a stack of coins ? one on top of the other. In humans, 
> > > > that presentation is consistent with multiple myeloma. I don?t think it 
> > > > means anything right now other than the new red cells may be reacting a 
> > > > 

Re: [Felvtalk] Nori...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Patricia...
I don't have any better advice than is being offered by Amani... Just wanted to 
wish you the best with this adorable kitten and cheer you on as one of the 
special people with especially big hearts Good Luck to both of you!!!

Bob from NY
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>1. Re: Rescued kitten felv + (Amani Oakley)
>2. Re: New to Fel-V positive kitty (Kristy)
>3. Re: New to Fel-V positive kitty (Amani Oakley)
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> Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 17:43:35 +
> From: Amani Oakley 
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> Hi Patricia ? I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for 
> the metoclopramide which was given ? or so before meals. The rest I gave with 
> the meals. I didn?t observe a problem with giving them together.
> 
> You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or 
> chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. 
> If my Zander wasn?t eating (and he wasn?t at the start of the medication 
> regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food 
> is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target ? say ? five 3 cc 
> syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if 
> possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and 
> then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put 
> the weight back on.
> 
> I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my 
> fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
> Oliveira
> Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> 
> Hi, Amani!
> 
> Thanky you very much for you email!
> 
> Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry 
> food. I tried canned but she didn?t accept so weel.
> 
> Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one.
> 
> Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.
> 
> Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to 
> doxy, for example?
> 
> This is Nori: 
> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Patr?cia
> 
> Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 ?s 20:52, Amani Oakley 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
> Sorry Patricia ? after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn?t 
> actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
> with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
> properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close 
> tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on 
> just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find 
> that this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk 
> mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
>  On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
> Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> 
> Hi from Brazil,
> 
> I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.
> 
> She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
> raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
> She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or 
> neurological. Already had a seizure.
> 
> She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +
> 
> She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include 
> prednisolone.
> 
> However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I 
> could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, 
> I am trying to avoid it.
> 
> The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.
> 
> Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is 

Re: [Felvtalk] URI and FIV

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Please don't get too freaked out about their URI's We have a lot of 
FIV cats at the shelter and they weather the URI's as well as the 
others...Yours may well too.  I agree that they should have ABX if the 
infection has taken hold and particularly if there is green purulent 
exudate...  If they are hard to pill a compounding pharmacy is a great 
idea ( always found liquids FAR easier to administer to uncooperative 
Kitties.  thanks for your concern for these kitties...



Bob


Subject: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent
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I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help 
minimize the symptoms of upper respiratory infections?


I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food 
and water.  Is there a product that will boost what i am already 
using? Sandy

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Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 00:35:47 -0700
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I would get an antibiotic to help their compromised immune system and 
suggest a compound pharmacy to provide a liquid form- I?m no vet, and 
do not have medical training , so, take this as a layman talking-I 
currently have 15 cats in our home-strictly inside only-so take this 
as only a layperson sharing?imho- you need a stronger solution as you 
evaluate the risks.

 So sorry you?re struggling with this, it?s hard, I know!
Gloria

-g ??
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On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Sandy Millard  wrote:

I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help 
minimize the symptoms of upper respiratory infections?


I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food 
and water.  Is there a product that will boost what i am already 
using? Sandy

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Thank you. What do you mean "a compound pharmacy"?
After reading as much as possible, all I can do is keep Sonny 
comfortable and make sure he eats good food.

I dread what is to come.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 48, Issue 1

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I'm so sorry about Spice Judy.   I seem to have missed the initial 
thread at the time it was originally written so I'm just learning about 
this Thank you for your efforts to save this Kitty They are all so 
much better off because of the kind people who post here



Bob in NY

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Today's Topics:

   1. Spice (judith cook)
   2. Re: Spice (Amani Oakley)
   3. Re: Spice (Sandy)
   4. Spice didn't make it (judith cook)
   5. Re: Spice didn't make it (kat)


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Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 20:06:48 + (UTC)
From: judith cook To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: 
[Felvtalk] Spice

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I am elated! ?My vet just called wanting to know the tel.# of 
Diamondback Drugs and wanting to verify that the Winstrol comes in 
tablets that can be used in 1mg doses. ?I had assumed that this was 
the case - am I right? ?She had called her regular drug supplier who 
only had it in 25mg tablets. ?Anyway, gave her the tel. #. ?Spice is 
already on doxycyline (for 2 days) but not prednizone. ?I am so 
encouraged that my vet is receptive to this treatment. ?I suppose 
because?. well, might as well try it. ?Please advise, and thank you 
all!Judy ?

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Hi Judith. I think that Diamondback had provided Winstrol in a liquid 
form to others on this chatline. I have no experience at all with that 
so I cannot comment. My vet uses a compounding pharmacy which makes 
the Winstrol in small 1 mg tablets which I find easy to pill.


Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of judith cook
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 4:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Spice

I am elated!  My vet just called wanting to know the tel.# of 
Diamondback Drugs and wanting to verify that the Winstrol comes in 
tablets that can be used in 1mg doses.  I had assumed that this was 
the case - am I right?  She had called her regular drug supplier who 
only had it in 25mg tablets.  Anyway, gave her the tel. #.  Spice is 
already on doxycyline (for 2 days) but not prednizone.  I am so 
encouraged that my vet is receptive to this treatment.  I suppose 
because?. well, might as well try it.  Please advise, and thank you 
all!

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Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 20:56:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sandy To: judith cook , felvtalk@felineleukemia.org,
Amani Oakley Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spice
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Happy Tails!! Been following along - had nothing to add - so happy 
that vet is willing to try - sure can't hurt. Best of luck


Sandy W


On June 20, 2018 at 4:10 PM Amani Oakley  wrote:


Hi Judith. I think that Diamondback had provided Winstrol in a 
liquid form to others on this chatline. I have no experience at all 
with that so I cannot comment. My vet uses a compounding pharmacy 
which makes the Winstrol in small 1 mg tablets which I find easy to 
pill.



Amani


From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of judith cook
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 4:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Spice


I am elated!  My vet just called wanting to know the tel.# of 
Diamondback Drugs and wanting to verify that the Winstrol comes in 
tablets that can be used in 1mg doses.  I had assumed that this was 
the case - am I right?  She had called her regular drug supplier who 
only had it in 25mg tablets.  Anyway, gave her the tel. #.  Spice is 
already on doxycyline (for 2 days) but not prednizone.  I am so 
encouraged that my vet is receptive to this treatment.  I suppose 
because?. well, might as well try it.  Please advise, and thank you 
all!


Judy





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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 1

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Joanne...  

I'm so sorry that your little man tested positive.  If it's any help.. 
of the last 3 faint positives we have had at the shelter where I 
volunteer... 2 have tested negative at both 3 and 6 months.  My 
experience, limited as it is, is that the earlier there is a definitive 
Dx the shorter the lifespan of the kitty ( without the use of the 
protocols you'll learn about here)...  Don't assume ( in your heart) yet 
that you have an FelV kitten you may very well not ..  We don't assume a 
cat is positive until more definitive testing is done at 6 months or at 
the very least until the immunologic system has had a chance to mature. 
( I'm assuming that your current results were from a SNAP 
test??..    Thank you for caring for this kitten he sounds like he 
has a great personality..



Bob in NY
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Today's Topics:

   1. Quentin (JoAnne Kraun)
   2. Re: Quentin (Marlene Snowman)
   3. Re: Quentin (Oliver Mccann)


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[Felvtalk] Quentin

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I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online.  He was born 
on March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him.  He was 
covered in fleas so I took him straight to the vet.  They said he also 
had tapeworms.  He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received 
his first series of vaccines.  His weight was 2.1 lbs.  They tested 
him for FIV and FeLV.  About 10 minutes after I got home, they called 
me and told me he tested positive for FeLV, a faint positive.  I have 
been doing a lot of research and I have been told that a faint 
positive could just mean that the disease is starting and he will have 
a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a faint 
positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now.  He 
eats a lot.  I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva 
and Wellness Core canned food.  He seems to be gaining weight.  He 
looks good and he is a very active and vocal kitten.  He is very 
affectionate and loves my Cavalier Spaniel, who  he likes to snuggle 
with after he wears himself at night.



Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read 
online indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a 
year before he starts to get sick.  I have never had a cat with this 
disease.   Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will 
not be able to  clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are 
lucky.



I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on 
now, before he starts to get sick.  Regardless of how long I have him, 
he will be loved and cared for.  He is already very spoiled.   I just 
can't even picture this little guy being sick.  He is such a good 
little cat.  I call him Q.



I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months 
ago.  I haven't had a kitten for 17 years.  I have 3 dogs and thought 
that an adult cat may be too stressed around my big dogs.  The 
Cavalier is fine, but I also have 2 Akitas.  My other cat was fine 
with the Akitas.  She was not afraid of them at all.  Q does not seem 
to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them give him kisses.  I do 
separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around because one of the is 
very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play with Q.  The 
Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily.  Q seems to be 
a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever 
he is around us.



What can I expect?  Will he start getting sick in a few months?  Do 
they just quit eating or what happens?   I would like to think that Q 
will be one of the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know 
I need to be realistic.  I just want him to have the best quality of 
life that he can have with us.





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Hi JoAnne, I have a FelV who is 3, who came to me at a month old and 
tested positive 

Re: [Felvtalk] Meds all at once.....

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Maribel
At those time that I have had to give multiple meds I preferred ( both 
for my own comfort and my relationship with my Kitties) to do it all at 
once ( usually 2-3 times a day) I found that when I tried spacing 
meds out throughout the day my cats regarded me as this evil being that 
was only going to cause them discomfort ( " Hey every time he reaches 
for me it's only to shove something down my throat!!!  what's up with 
THAT" )
Yeah...maybe it was me imagining it butmassed meds worked better.    
BTW in those instances when one or two of the meds were injections I 
did those at different times of the day   I would not have had that 
freedom, however, had I not been retired at the time..   Sometimes 
the exigencies of life dictate what one MUST do


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Re: [Felvtalk] Reconstituted Doxy

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

My recollection re: the stand against Doxy Tabs is that they are often 
large and hard to get all the way down the cats throat without getting 
stuck   I DO apologize that it's been so long since I was giving my 
cats Doxy in pill form successfully( had found a coated small pill) 
but... if you can afford it ...diamondback drugs can formulate tasty 
chewies with Doxy that many cats love ( mine ate them down with relish)  
Believe Sandy might be able to weigh in on this?? Don't have 
experience with liquid form... but be assured there iis always a way a 
drug can be administered to a cat... if one has the time, ability and 
funds   The chewies are not cheap


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Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 01:43:43 -0400
From: Maribel Piloto



To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
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Hi Amani and everyone else who?s been helping me with this post - I 
shared the recommended drug protocol with a friend of mine who isn?t a 
vet but has worked for years in animal rescue and has also worked at 
both the local Humane Society and the local county shelter.  She also 
attends a lot of vet conferences.  She sent me the following...


If your vet is willing to prescribe this regimen, I'd give it a try 
with one CRITICAL CHANGE.  NEVER use doxycycline tablets/capsules 
with cats as doxy can cause esophageal strictures.  You can get 
compounded doxycycline is 50 mg/ml, so dose would be 0.4 - 0.5 ml 
twice a day.


Do you foresee any issues with using the Doxy in liquid format?   I 
also wanted to get the Prednisolone in liquid as Flaqui is very 
difficult to pill.


Thanks
Maribel
"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are 
treated."

-Mohandas Ghandi


On May 10, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:

Thank you Sandy. You saved me from repeating what I have posted so 
very often now.
 Mirabel, regarding the Aranesp, it is a product which mimics the 
effects of erythropoietin. I do not believe it will assist because 
erythropoietin tells the bone marrow to produce more red cells. With 
FeLV, it infects the cells in the bone marrow which produce all three 
cell lines (red cells, white cells, platelets). The cells are taken 
over and destroyed by the virus, which means that the bone marrow can 
no longer produce red cells, white cells and/or platelets. The 
erythropoietin or Aranesp is speaking to these cells and telling them 
to churn out more red cells, but the bone marrow cells can no longer 
do that. My experience with the Winstrol is that after my cat had the 
very worst results (HAEMATOCRIT OF FIVE!!!, ZERO % RETICULOCYTES, 
etc.) and AFTER I had given him several bouts of blood transfusions, 
the Winstrol turned back on the bone marrow and he began producing 
red cells, white cells and platelets again.

 Amani
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On 
Behalf Of Sandy

Sent: May-10-18 8:48 PM
To: Maribel Piloto; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
 This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but 
your answer lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this 
will work if your vet will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - 
BUT you and the vet need to act immediately. - good luck. You will 
probably get more responses - Sandy W



Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day

Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day

Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day

If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, 
slow moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be 
indicative of the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try 
adding ? tablet of apometocloprimide.


If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low ? like below 5-8, you 
might consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, 
to try and kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to 
be a likely increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, 
recognize that this might also increase the liver enzymes faster.


 Hope this helps! Amani


 From: Felvtalk 

Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Maribel...
So sorry to hear the little spencer is FeLV...    On the plus side... 
He's made it to 2 yrs old and in my ( not extensive but growing) 
experience... if they don't die in the first year they often can last 
several...
and...yes...  it appears that full mouth extraction is the "gold 
standard" for Stomatitis.. it has always bothered me that they still 
have not come up with something that can address this damnable infection 
without costing Kitties ALL their  teeth Again, on the " bright" 
side... cats do remarkably well without teeth.   I'm surprised that 
Spencer isn't eating more of the baby food as it takes very little mouth 
pressure to get it down...  I've fed cats a diet of almost total Baby 
food ... both syringe and freely taken and think it is just great.  
If I were going to do it long term I'd look for a Taurine supplement as 
I doubt that Baby food has sufficient Taurine for optimal Kitty 
Health.    ** I'd definitely go with the Depo injection...   or 
, secondarily  Prednisolone... both will help with inflammation ( and 
therefore pain) with the side benefit of increase in appetite.   
Your devotion to this Kitty is obvious in your post and I wish you and 
the little guy all the best I'd love to see you and he have more 
comfortable years together..


Bob

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:27:23 + (UTC)
From: Maribel Piloto


To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis 
and FeLV cats

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Hi all,
I have a very sweet indoor-only?gray tabby named Spencer who at only 2 
yrs of age sadly tested positive for FeLV.?? Spencer has developed 
stomatitis which makes it very hard for him to eat.? He had always 
enjoyed his food but in the last few months it's gotten to the point 
where he only gets in one or two licks before he yelps and runs away 
in pain.? He's lost weight as a result.? I know that for stomatitis, 
the long-term solution is usually a full-mouth extraction of all 
teeth.?? In May I will be getting a bonus at work and plan on taking 
him to a dentist I've used many times before to get him evaluated for 
the procedure and probably have it done.???In the meantime, I've been 
giving him a powder called Plaque Off which is supposed to help with 
stomatitis.? I can get Spencer to eat the baby food that comes in 
these tiny jars and is just chicken/turkey/ham and cornstarch so I mix 
the powder with that.? So far, it hasn't been doing much.?? In the 
past, when I've had otherwise healthy c
 ats with stomatitis, I've gotten them shots of Depo Medrol every 
other month or a couple of times a year and this has cleared the 
swelling.? Depo is a steroid which reduces inflammation but also, 
suppresses the immune system.
For those of you who may be familiar with stomatitis and Depo in 
FeLV...
do you think the full-mouth extraction is the way to go??? Do you 
think it would be ok to get Spencer at least one shot of the Depo to 
alleviate the stomatitis until I can get him the full-mouth extraction 
in May??? Spencer likes those jars of baby food but I'm sure they 
don't have all the nutrition a cat needs.? Any supplements you can 
recommend that I could add to those - giving him something by mouth is 
impossible.

Would appreciate any thoughts/advice you can share.
Maribel & Spencer
"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are 
treated."

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Hi Maribel

Probably removing the teeth is the way to go. I don?t think it would 
hurt to have the Depo shot. Obviously, there is an infection and 
anything which might help to clear up the infection or reduce the 
swelling from the infection, would be beneficial.


One other thing to suggest is use of Prednisolone 5 mg a day, which 
will also help reduce swelling and therefore pain.


Regarding the baby food, on the contrary, it is an ideal food for 
cats. It has a lot of vitamins, fat, protein, etc. I have saved more 
than my fair share of cats by feeding them strictly baby food by 
syringe until they were healthy enough to eat on their own. If he 
takes the baby food on his own, great. If not, see how many 
syringe-fulls you can get in. Also consider using the ?juice? from a 
can of tuna, and/or puree the tuna with some water and syringe that 
up, if he will not eat it on his own.


With cats, I have always found that the trick is to get enough food 
into them to allow their bodies to start to heal. If they won?t eat 
sufficient food on 

Re: [Felvtalk] Out of town....

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

To all:
If anyone posts messages having to do with my cats I apologize in 
advance for not acknowledging but I will be out of town for the next 6 
days and HATE typing on my little IPAD unless it's something earth 
shatteringly important : )
I've gotten a lot of terrific information and appreciate everyone's 
input.
BTW Agree TOTALLY re: keeping out friends alive when there is little 
hope for any more "full" life  More often than not it strikes me 
that we do this for ourselves more than them... It's so hard to part 
with them... I've made that mistake in the past and I won't again...


Bob

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Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Of *Pam Doore
*Sent:* February-26-18 5:49 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...



Amani, will roundworms aways show up in a fecal?


~~@~@~@~@~@


*Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within 
me,

Christ beneath me, Christ above me. **?** St. Patrick*



On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:48 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:

Bob

Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I 
should
have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, 
which
move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into 
the
lungs.  During the migration of the immature phase, they move into 
the

lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the
immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the
intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature 
roundworms
in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use 
the
Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in 
their
various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature 
phase,

so using both might also assist.

I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than 
a

year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of
stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning 
up the
vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn?t figure 
out
how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she 
was
just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She 
was
strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I 
could
figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and 
finally
understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. 
Her
sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with 
Revolution and
saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. 
However,

unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the
immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through
mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the 
first
place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. 
Anyway,
the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick 
while
nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and 
again, I
couldn?t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn?t exposed 
to any
new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking 
cough
and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would 
help, and

no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline.

Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's 
vomit,

and did a bit of research.

So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and 
see if

that leads to any improvement.

Amani

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Of

ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the ? 
runs?

 I?m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the
shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original
recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and
aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account 
that my
boy won?t eat his food with this foul tasting abx. I?m 
reintroducing
it..now.. but VERY slowly After a couple of weeks if I can?t get 
him to
a full dose it?s time to change course He?s 15 years old and he 
can?t

afford to lose weight or get dehydrated  He?s a foster who was ?
supposed? to be back with his owner well before nowbut it 
looks to

me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement


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*Hi Bob and all,  *


*I don't realize I am not seeing posts 

Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs” 
 I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the 
shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original 
recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and 
aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that 
my boy won’t eat his food with this foul tasting abx. I’m 
reintroducing it..now.. but VERY slowly After a couple of weeks if I 
can’t get him to a full dose it’s time to change course He’s 15 
years old and he can’t afford to lose weight or get dehydrated  He’s 
a foster who was “ supposed” to be back with his owner well before 
nowbut it looks to me that these guys are going to be a lifespan 
placement



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*Hi Bob and all,  *


*I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions 
about

not seeing posts.*


*I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a 
month
later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a 
6+-year-old
boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a shelter in the 
southern
tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is also Tommy.  I took 
home a
FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring and I wanted him to have a 
home

and lots of love for whatever time he has.  He is playing, eating, and
giving lots of love and demanding lots of love!  He is living in my 
Master
suit while he is being vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his 
Sunny

and Tommy who are super eager to meet him :).   *


On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:

Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided 
to

unsubscribe

Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few 
months
???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ 
for a
few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, 
mercifully, so
far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of 
the
bunch) quessing the others had been older when they had their 
exposure
Think we might already have a place that will give a home to this 
cutie
unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy 
in

isolation here at our shelter. He needs company

Hope all is well with your Kitties my two old guys are doing 
pretty

well. Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on
life. He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER Jerry is 
still
suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to 
control

it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far.

Bob in Warwick NY




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Vol 44, Issue 1

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Hi Bob,

If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an 
extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. They 
used a cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't think they 
used any oil of any kind - just the flour and possibly a small amount 
of water, and just stir it until it browns and sort of burns. Then get 
him to eat a small amount. Apparently this was given to babies who had 
life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else worked.


I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something 
like a parasite causing it? Not surejust trying to help ?



Ardy



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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1


Odd that we ar

[Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I,m sorry for the loss of your Ally Pamit never gets easier
but so good of you to give a quality life to those less fortunate 
creatures who would be dying

alone in a cage.it,s a kindness I really admire.


And Sandy, thank you for the suggestion..Ive tries a few food 
additives
at this point a d the problem is he just wont eat themIve got a 
hundres bucks worth of pre and pro biotics here and he just picks at his 
food.  he,s underweight to begin with and i dont want him losing 
more.. im going back today to cooking him a bland diet of chicken 
and rice and will again start adding medicine but in minute amounts a d 
building up.im beginning to think he really needs a course of 
corticosteroids to get this initially under control.



bob9


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Hi all ? Pam, Sorry to hear about your Ally.  My Peekers will be 20 in 
April, and I?m not sure she will make it to this milestone. Her joints 
seem to be giving out, and she eats sporadically although she drinks a 
lot of water (diabetic?). Who knows??. At this point we are just 
keeping her as comfy as possible and putting up with her very loud 
talking (she must be a bit deaf). I don?t even know what 20 would be 
in cat years.



And our Topaz is doing well. She is doing a lot of the things Tigger 
used to do. I have come to the conclusion cats react to the way their 
family treats them.



Ardy



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Of Pam Doore

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1


Hi Bob and all,
I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions 
about not seeing posts.


I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a month 
later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a 
6+-year-old boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a 
shelter in the southern tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is 
also Tommy.  I took home a FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring 
and I wanted him to have a home and lots of love for whatever time he 
has.  He is playing, eating, and giving lots of love and demanding 
lots of love!  He is living in my Master suit while he is being 
vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his Sunny and Tommy who are 
super eager to meet him :).



On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  > wrote:

Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided 
to unsubscribe


Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few 
months ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any 
FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, 
mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest 
and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they 
had their exposure  Think we might already have a place that will 
give a home to this cutie unfortunately not a family... but better 
than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter. He 
needs company


Hope all is well with your Kitties my two old guys are doing 
pretty well. Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new 
lease on life. He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER 
Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking 
for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have 
failed so far.


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Bob, have you tried BENE-BAC PLUS - pet

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided to 
unsubscribe


Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few months 
???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ 
for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, 
mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest 
and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they 
had their exposure  Think we might already have a place that will 
give a home to this cutie unfortunately not a family... but better 
than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter. He 
needs company


Hope all is well with your Kitties my two old guys are doing pretty 
well. Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on 
life. He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER Jerry is still 
suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to 
control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so 
far.


Bob in Warwick NY


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I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group? I've 
gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of 
messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
Has there been other information going back and forth for the past 
couple of weeks??



HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our 
experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where near 
as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential 
adopters...
Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't 
even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the 
beginning of Winter I've been volunteering there for 4 years and 
have seen only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of FIV's 
( Feline Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any 
others ( until months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)... 
but, in general, our FIV's have remained quite healthy? 
Personally, I would be FAR more confident of the future adopting an 
FIV over an FeLV Kitty

QUESTION:


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Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for 
afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary 
arsenal to combat it.


Amani





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Hi Bob

I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I 
posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I haven't 
received any emails in weeks.


Amani

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Of ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: December-26-17 9:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV

I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group? I've 
gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of 
messages..ALL of which I have received multiple times before.
Has there been other information going back and forth for the past 
couple of weeks??



HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has clearly NOT been our 
experience at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where near 
as deadly as FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is 

Re: [Felvtalk] FIV

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I am again perplexed at the mail delivery for this group  I've 
gotten nothing for a few weeks and just now THIS digest of messages..ALL 
of which I have received multiple times before.
Has there been other information going back and forth for the past 
couple of weeks??



HOWEVER:  In relation to FIV...   it has clearly NOT been our experience 
at the shelter where I volunteer that FIV is any where near as deadly as 
FELV and we don't ever suggest that it is to potential adopters...
Our FIV'S range in age from 1 year to 8 yrs plus and oftentimes don't 
even get the URI that runs through the entire menagerie at the beginning 
of Winter I've been volunteering there for 4 years and have seen 
only one of our FIV's die and that from the scourge of FIV's ( Feline 
Infectious Peritonitis) thankfully it did not claim any others ( until 
months later when a couple of FeLV residents died)... but, in general, 
our FIV's have remained quite healthy  Personally, I would be FAR 
more confident of the future adopting an FIV over an FeLV Kitty

QUESTION:

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Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for 
afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary 
arsenal to combat it.


Amani



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[Felvtalk] FeLV transmission

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to bolster what Amani wrote. Felv appears to be a minor risk for adult 
cats who did not get the disease from the queen at birth. It is a MAJOR 
risk for kittens born with the disease who still show it at 6 months. I 
wouldnt worry terribly about adults getting it from a kittenwould 
definitely worry abiut exposing kittens to a disease carrying adult OR 
kittenalso Caution with FIV adults



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Thank you!

Sent from my iPad


On Nov 22, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:

We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was 
infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the 
infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) 
That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little boy 
(it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in the 
house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and 
groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read 
repeatedly that it really isn?t that infectious, especially with 
adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.


Amani

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I have three cats, and take care of other people?s cats.
My daughter?s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a 
separate room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean 
the room, after the cat goes back home?  It?s because I take care of 
other  friend?s cats also and want to know if they can catch The 
disease.

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Actually, Feline Leukemia can also be transmitted through ?friendly? 
contact.  Sharing food/water and grooming each other over a period of 
time.
The virus only lives for a few hours in the environment, so really 
just cleaning out the food/water bowls and litter box after the cat 
leaves should suffice, and check to see if any wet spots on floor, 
etc. from water or urine and disinfect just to be on the safe side.


You might want to have different shoes on too?  and clothes, if you 
will be playing with and handling the cat a lot, in case drools on 
you?but that might be going overboard.  Definitely wash hands after 
handling...


Shelley


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My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact 
with blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted 
primarily through a bite.

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Question

I have three cats, and take care of other people?s cats.
My daughter?s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a 
separate room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean 
the room, after the cat goes back home?  It?s because I take care of 
other  friend?s cats also and want to know if they can catch

The disease.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 42, Issue 14

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Katherine
I'm so sorry that you had to say goodby to this adorable little being... 
.. your "eulogy" had me in tears...
but by the time I finished it I felt that _ I _  had known him as 
well  I'm so glad you had as many years together as you did... and 
for your kindness in looking after so many Felv kitties whose luck was 
that much less even than Krammers  Their good luck was in finding a 
home with you



BOb

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 42, Issue 8

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Amani...
I think I overstated myself with the prednisone...
IThe explanation I got was that the active metabolite of prednisone is 
prednisolone which actually does the work and the animal needs to be 
able to make this conversion There appears to be some question as to 
the feline ability to make this conversion ( I would 
addreliably...because it is clear that some cats HAVE profitted 
greatly from prednisone



The question I have is IF the active metabolite is what is doing the 
work... why would , anyone, prescribe prednisone???  . gets 
confusing ...no??








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Hi Bob

When I was treating Zander, all the vets were using prednisone on 
cats, so that is what I used on Zander. I don?t agree it is useless. I 
have used prednisone on other cats, with good result. However, I now 
understand that prednisolone is a derivative of prednisone and is 
better and safer for cats. This is my understanding as to why this was 
changed, but I have heard from vets that the two are interchangeable 
in terms of dosage, etc.


Amani













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Re: [Felvtalk] an experiment

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

After imploring all of you to delete redundant posts before posting your 
notes to the group, I noticed that my last two posts ( where I DID this) 
STILL had all the redundant posts included in the post.  


I tend to use REPLY all when responding...and, in turn, seeing my post 
twice.  This time I am deleting ALL other posts and simply hitting 
reply...   If it posts to the group with all the other redundant posts 
I'll have to ask the advice of the list owner to see if there is an 
answer perhaps it does not bother others as much as it bothers me to 
have to sift through 20 other messages for the new ones so, after 
this I'll desist  : )




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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol....

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Hi Ken...
I well know the experience of lying with a cat dying of Felv until they 
passed and these posts are reawakening my own sadnesss and frustration 
at being able to do so little so late with my own two FelV boys.  It is 
SO difficult for me to grasp the level of opposition to Winstrol on the 
part of some vets...  they are surely not worried about law suits and 
they have a dying cat in front of them that they have NO definitive Tx 
forwhy NOT try Winstrol...  It is beyond absurd...  Unless there is 
some kind of worry at being fingered for prescibing minute doses of an 
anabolic steroid ( go ahead...take the dose you would give to a cat and 
see the AMAZING effect is has...  You'll feel nothing  I can't help 
but wonder if a lot of vets think if they wipe out the entire population 
of FeLV cats that they will effectively wipe out the disease( an odd 
consideration given that there will always BE a "patient Zero"...  it 
has to start somewhere and likely would again...   Then again...anemia 
is only one of the complications of this damnable disease ( though 
admittedly the most critical...   They are driving law abiding citizens 
into illegal activity trying to find alternative sources of a hard to 
obtain drug in order to save their cats lives it's f-in insane!!!
There is no end to the irrationality one can encounter when people who 
are ' supposed ' to be schooled in scientific thinking decide that , 
that which stands before thema winstrol treated cat in recovery from 
anemia must not have had FeLV or there must be an alternative 
explanation for the recovery  Everything BUT trying Winstrol on 
other cats with the disease and SEEING if it works ..run you own N of 5 
or 6 mini experiment and see if you get a a positive result It's not 
as though you are using alternative medicine on a cancer patient that 
MIGHT have survived had they had proven Tx...   they have NOTHING to 
offer us that compares with Winstrol in the clutch ( though to date we 
have only a very few cats who have survived as a result of taking 
Winstrol and , to my mind, it has not established itself as the de-facto 
drug for FeLV instigated anemia...but... it is certainly the most 
hopeful in a field of paltry competitors.   We all want to live with 
hope, and Winstrol gives us this  So Ken, by all means, spread the 
word, pester,implore,cajole your vet into trying itbut don't be too 
terribly surprised when you have to figure out how to dismantle the 
brick wall you are likely to encounter..



Bob


BTW Amani..  are you recommending prednisone or prednisolone with 
the Doxy...   many vets insist that prednisone is not useful for cats..






I couldn?t agree with you more, but I fear that the scientific/medical 
evidence is thin because of the really stupid study done a decade ago, 
which gave three cats massive doses of Winstrol (same levels as given 
to sled dogs) and reported the resulting elevation of liver enzymes. 
And then, of course, there is the unhelpful connection to the athletic 
doping scandals. Studies looking into the effects of Winstrol are 
therefore few and far between (though I have found a few). Moreover, a 
physician friend of mine explained to me that once a drug is 
off-patent (as Winstrol is) then the drug companies can make very 
little money from it, and so they will not spend money to set up 
clinical trials, and will instead push other related drugs that are 
still covered by a patent, so they make more money on the sale of 
those other drugs.


The problem is that, as far as I can determine to date, though there 
are lots of anabolic steroids, Winstrol is the only one that seems to 
have this effect on bone marrow to cause it to grow, create new cells, 
regenerate, etc, which in turn causes the production of red cells, 
white cells and platelets from the activated bone marrow. In addition, 
Winstrol is considered to have very mild side effects in comparison to 
other anabolic steroids. Winstrol is also found to be very quickly 
effective. Most of those athletes who will speak about steroid use, 
confirm that Winstrol is one of the most effective and safest of the 
drugs (and remember that athletes who are using steroids use them at 
hundreds if not thousands of times the recommended doses, and they 
"stack" them will all sorts of other steroids).


I also found, with my own vets, that even with solid proof in front of 
their own eyes (with cats condemned to death, showing an amazing 
recovery), they will often look for other explanations other than that 
it was the Winstrol. As I mentioned with my little Zander, after being 
told by every vet I spoke with that there was nothing I could do and 
Zander was going to die (and best to put him down immediately), and 
being able to show serial blood results weekly which showed a clear 
improvement from critical haematology values to normal results, at the 
end of it all, I start hearing things like, "well maybe it 

Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate?

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

An odd name for a drug... but... terrific if it really is Stanazalol and 
you can get hold of it...
Your Kitty is lucky to have an owner so commited to his survival... I am 
hoping hard that all your kind effort pays off... he AND you deserve 
it.
I don't know that it makes a difference which mode of administration is 
used... though, generally, with drugs some of the dose is lost while 
traveling through the digestive system and first pass through the liver 
( though that will happen i)...  so I'd be "inclined" more toward 
injection if it's SubQ ( they hardly feel it) IM can be a bit more 
painful and I'd want to know for certain that there are clear advantages 
to this before I subjected a kitty to this... I'm so hoping fate and 
luck are with you and your kitty...
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Marlene

The suggestion of Winstrol/Doxy/Prednisone has been used repeatedly 
on cats with leukemia and lymphoma. Also, Winstrol is very helpful 
when a cat is not eating. Unfortunately, though there are other 
steroids, I am not certain you will get the same result if you use 
another steroid in place of the Winstrol. DO NOT USE another 
antibiotic. Doxycycline interferes with the virus replication and is 
added on to assist in retarding the reproduction of the virus, to 
enable the Winstrol and prednisone to have an effect. It is not for a 
secondary infection.
I find it bizarre that, over and over again, vets will dither while a 
cat is dying. Put the cat on the meds, for goodness sake, and see the 
response and if there isn?t an appreciable response after a 
reasonable period of time, look for another option. But don?t have a 
debate while the cat is declining. What's the worst that could 
happen? It doesn?t work? What other options are they giving you???


  COULD IT BE THAT VETS ARE WORRIED ABOUT LAWSUITS IF ANYTHING GOES 
WRONG?


I find it odd that the vets say Winstrol is illegal in Europe. If you 
go on line, you will see that it can be ordered from places like 
Germany.
If necessary, get your vets to put him on the other steroid, though I 
really doubt it will assist - Winstrol uniquely causes the turning on 
of blood cell production in the bone marrow - I don?t think there is 
another steroid that does this. Then go ahead and order the Winstrol 
online from Germany or wherever else it can be sourced. But don't 
wait. The longer you wait, the worse the condition of your cat, thus 
worsening the chances of anything working.


Amani

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Dear All,
Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma 
or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have 
a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a 
university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in order to decide 
whether a chemotherapy is worth while.


Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? 
Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?


About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal 
in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide 
not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether 
your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were 
just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on; 

Re: [Felvtalk] erasing redundant posts...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

PLEASE folks...
A lot of us could be missing important information while leafing through 
20 previously posted messages and not noticing the ONE that is 
new... It is frustrating sometimes that I will go to the trouble of 
deleting everything and then see it reappear anyway I don't get 
it... BUT... still worth the effort for the time that it DOES work...
I'll check and HOPE that this on doesn't include everything that went 
before   : )



Bob in Warwick ny





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Re: [Felvtalk] Whats in a name : )

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Amani...


NO problem...  I'm the LAST person to take issue with temporary 
inability to summon up the correct name Often times these days I 
draw a blank on people I know relatively well...  quite embarassing... 
AND... you got the first letter right!!!




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Re: [Felvtalk] Zorro and " Brian"

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Ken
It is so terrible how quickly Felv can steal a cats life...but it's so 
great that you gave that little guy the love and attention I SO wish 
could/would be accorded every deserving animal ( read...ALL)... my cat 
Jelly was a strapping tiger stripe one month with perfect blood work and 
three weeks later he was dead I'm still wrestling ( and always will) 
with when is the right time to put a kitty down and I'm leaning now 
toward sooner rather than later We get so attached to our little 
guys and girls that parting from them seems overwhelming... but the fact 
that they are still eating and perhaps purring from time to time doesn't 
really tell us their level of discomfort...  I know that, for me at 
least, I'd rather be gone than be maintained on pain medication and bed 
ridden ( as is the case for most hospice people and animals)
I let my boy Gilbert linger too long, I think, in retrospect because he 
was eating well... but the rest of the time he literally slept and often 
hid out I'm thinking that the next time I have a cat that is hiding 
out more than laying out in the open i will use THAT as the sign that 
quality of life just simply is no longer there  When a cat feels 
disabled enough that he feels vulnerable exposed ( and you KNOW that he 
has a serious disease that is not going to improve) it's probably time 
to let him go  Yes... I wish he could have told me... but... that's 
OUR job at this point..  After three deaths I'm getting a little 
sharper about how much of keeping them alive is for me and how much for 
them Often FeLV takes the decision out of our hands and claims them 
so quickly that we don't have to pain over this. a mixed blessing to 
be sure.
BTW...Amani...   I am fond of the name Brian but my parents named me Bob 
: )



Bob

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Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone There....

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

No mail has appeared in my mailbox from this group for quite  long while 
so I thought I would inquire as to whether _ I _ am just missing mail 
that HAS been going to others or if the group has simply not been active 
for a couple of months. Generally it has been my experience that 
once I write one of these notes I start to get mail once again... NO 
idea why
I thought of all of you recently when it was time to put my Hospice Cat 
( Gilbert) down Third cat I have lost in a year   I'm 0 for 3 at 
this point and am thinking it might be time to take on a more healthy 
animal but I keep harkening back to amani's words... If not us... who??  
 Certainly not the people who don't much care about cats...nor the vast 
majority of people who HAVE cats.  There are SO many deserving 
animals out there that have problems that place them low on the adoption 
list  they ALL deserve to have a home and someone to see them as 
special  Gilbert was not adoptable with his brain injury...though 
ALL of the volunteers thought him special...still... no one came forward 
when he developed cancer though they all truly DID care that he was 
going to die  He had a good life for his last few months... sitting 
on the porch...looking out the window and more petting and love than 
even HE wanted.  As is usually the case it was probably harder on me 
than him when it came time He stopped eating, it was painful for him 
to get his oral meds and even subq pain killers did little... He was 
constipated and just hid out all day... The Tumor was forcing his one 
eye to protrude and the other to recede... it would have been cruel to 
ask him to endure more. A beautiful sweet animal I miss him 
terribly...

Curious to see if I find the list active with this submission.


Bob...



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[Felvtalk] Lucky little Lucky

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I realize that if each of us were to respond to this good news we would 
be overwhelmed with back and forth notes... but.. since this is not 
likely to happen  : )  I am SO gratified to hear happy news today... 
some sad stories DO end well and it's good for me to keep that in mind.
BTW... HOPING that my erasure of the reduntant notes that we've already 
read sticks I've done this before and they have " magically " 
reappeared after I submitted my note

Bob
Warwick, NY


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This little guy is indeed lucky!!..  It's troubling that there can be 
such an extreme variation in Human behavior
when it comes to cruelty and violence without cause...  On the plus 
side, for every reprobate there are kind souls like yourselves and those 
who are looking after Lucky ( or offering to help) who put my heart more 
at ease with the assurance that there are still good people in the world 
who DO care about the fate of those who can't help themselves... But... 
MAN..would I love to see the people who  who tossed this cat out of the 
car get THEIR just Desserts..







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[Felvtalk] Kitten on Highway

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Ardy
You have a much more even temperment than me when it comes to such 
matters There is NO question that I will end up in prison if I am 
caught doing what I KNOW I am capable of doing to a person that is this 
callous toward ANY living creature... but Housepets in particular... 
There are NO excuses...NONE!! for his kind of behavior
I worry myself actually when I realize that if I didn't have a few 
moments to calm down between seeing such an action and catching the 
person who did it I would be perfectly capable of throwing THAT 
individual out of a car at 60 miles an hour ( assuming that I had the 
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 22:51:19 -0500
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Hello my Felv friends  this is a little off-topic, but I have to 
vent:
My granddaughter texted me this afternoon that a Facebook friend of 
hers was
driving from our city to a neighboring town, when the vehicle ahead of 
her

tossed a kitten out of the car window at 60 mph!! The poor little babe
struck her windshield! She was able to come to a safe stop, but was 
unable
to get the license number or really much of a description of the 
vehicle.
The little gray kitty was badly injured, but she is taking good care 
of it,
and has it home with her tonight. He (or she) has eye and nose 
injuries,
among others, but I believe he is stable. My granddaughter messaged 
her
friend and said that she will help with the vet bill and also with the 
food
and other supplies she will need for this kitty. The friend says she 
is
going to provide a forever home for the kitty. I am dropping off some 
money
in the morning at my granddaughter's house to pitch in, because she is 
going
shopping for kitty food, a bed, some toys, a brush, etc. for her 
friend. We
are just so irritated that someone would do something like this, and I 
am so

grateful there are people like my granddaughter and her friend who are
willing to do what it takes to help this poor little babe.


I am hoping someone on Facebook will see the story they posted, with
pictures, and turn this person in to the authorities. He also could 
have
caused an accident if the girl had swerved to avoid hitting the kitty 
- but
I suppose it happened so fast she probably didn't even know what it 
was. I

hope this person does not have other pets, or children!


Thanks for listening!

Ardy



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Ardy - generally, I am not supportive of the death penalty, but I 
would gladly make an exception for barbarians like those you describe, 
and I would just as happily be the executioner. This is not the first 
time I have heard this same hideous story. Several years ago in 
Toronto, Ontario, the same thing happened on one of our highways, and 
again, that little kitten at least got lucky enough to survive and be 
rescued by a motorist who saw what happened.


I have heard it repeated elsewhere. I guess that stupid idiot f*&^%s 
can't find anything more vulnerable and helpless than a kitten to show 
their toughness. Just obscene.


I shudder to think just how many times the kittens don't survive.

Amani

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Of Ardy Robertson

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten tossed out of car

Hello my Felv friends  this is a little off-topic, but I have to 
vent: My granddaughter texted me this afternoon that a Facebook friend 
of hers was driving from our city to a neighboring town, when the 
vehicle ahead of her tossed a kitten out of the car window at 60 mph!! 
The poor little babe struck her windshield! She was able to come to a 
safe stop, but was unable to 

Re: [Felvtalk] eliminating extraneous text

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

OK I made this suggestion and the last two STILL had all the 
text...  I am HOPEing that this time the text remains eliminated


Bob


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Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] A suggestion that could make it easier to keep
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When we reply ( apparently it doesn't make much difference if we hit 
reply or reply all) it would be helpful to erase those parts of the 
posting that reference earlier discussions and do not have relevance 
to the current posting? This also prevents having your message 
held up because it exceeds the allowable line limits..
It can be disconcerting when one is in a hurry but would like to read 
responses to earlier questions... they are often tucked WAY far down 
in a message body such that you have to wade through a thousand lines 
that you have already read a thousand times to get to it


Try it... it could help...

BOb



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[ROBERT CHAPEL]

When we reply ( apparently it doesn't make much difference if we hit 
reply or reply all) it would be helpful to erase those parts of the 
posting that reference earlier discussions and do not have relevance to 
the current posting  This also prevents having your message held up 
because it exceeds the allowable line limits..
It can be disconcerting when one is in a hurry but would like to read 
responses to earlier questions... they are often tucked WAY far down in 
a message body such that you have to wade through a thousand lines that 
you have already read a thousand times to get to it


Try it... it could help...

BOb


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If onlyeveryone who has a cat or dog would get them 
spayed/neutered there would not be so many for us to care for.  I have 
heard all kinds of excuses like it costs so much.  If they did get 
their pets spayed/neutered they would not have the work involved in 
getting rid of them.  When a new one shows up here, they get neutered 
or spayed within 2 weeks after I have found out that they do not 
belong to anyone.


---- ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:

Hello Everyone...
Thank you so much for your concerns about " my " surgery but it is an 
unfortunate result of the structure of the mailings that this mistake 
was made??? I am not having heart surgery : )? Believe it is 
our member whose email is dlegg ( wish people would put their actual 
names on their postings) I forget in between time whose name is 
associated with which address. Seems when I've made and 
inquiry about activity on the group it engenders a rash of new 
mailings and confusion reins? : )?? Glad, however, to see activity and 
that we are all still here? I always learn something new when 
folks post their thoughts and practices on the group?? I am 
humbled by so many of you and your commitment to your Kitties... 
without people such as you the world would be a much more bleak place 
for the unwanted animals of the world.? I get caught up in " if 
only's " even at my age and I think so often " if only" everyone would 
take in just? 1 animal how much of an improvement that would make to 
the lives of animals everywhere.? It is such a shame that not 
everyone feels toward animals as we do... they can't experience the 
joy and wonder that an animal brings to ones life or the simple 
pleasure of having a cat sit on your chest purring while you watch TV 
( all 14 lbs of Gilbert and his drool( I _ could_ do without the 
drool!!)... somehow calm me when I am laying on the couch just 
relaxing. and Bless you Sheila for your kindness and caring.??? If 
you know anyone who could help you to become your own non-profit that 
could, potentially, reduce some of the burden of expense...?? I KNOW 
you are beyond busy already but just wanted to mention it if you had 
not though about it already...? It's not a walk in the park to put in 
place but has some distinct advantages...


Bob C.


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Sheila, my 2 cents-

Re: [Felvtalk] Surgery

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Hello Everyone...
Thank you so much for your concerns about " my " surgery but it is an 
unfortunate result of the structure of the mailings that this mistake 
was made    I am not having heart surgery : )  Believe it is our 
member whose email is dlegg ( wish people would put their actual names 
on their postings) I forget in between time whose name is associated 
with which address. Seems when I've made and inquiry about 
activity on the group it engenders a rash of new mailings and confusion 
reins  : )   Glad, however, to see activity and that we are all still 
here  I always learn something new when folks post their thoughts 
and practices on the group   I am humbled by so many of you and your 
commitment to your Kitties... without people such as you the world would 
be a much more bleak place for the unwanted animals of the world.  I 
get caught up in " if only's " even at my age and I think so often " if 
only" everyone would take in just  1 animal how much of an improvement 
that would make to the lives of animals everywhere.  It is such a 
shame that not everyone feels toward animals as we do... they can't 
experience the joy and wonder that an animal brings to ones life or the 
simple pleasure of having a cat sit on your chest purring while you 
watch TV ( all 14 lbs of Gilbert and his drool( I _ could_ do without 
the drool!!)... somehow calm me when I am laying on the couch just 
relaxing. and Bless you Sheila for your kindness and caring.    If 
you know anyone who could help you to become your own non-profit that 
could, potentially, reduce some of the burden of expense...   I KNOW you 
are beyond busy already but just wanted to mention it if you had not 
though about it already...  It's not a walk in the park to put in place 
but has some distinct advantages...


Bob C.


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Sheila, my 2 cents- - for me -  it's not just spreading the FeLV to 
others, it the autoimmune problem of not being able to fight off 
viruses or diseases that they could get from other cats.
I have Buddy in our guest room - in a controlled environment- we 
replaced the door with another re-engineered door. The replacement 
door bottom panel we replaced with clear plexiglas so he can see the 
other cats in the house, and the top panel with a screen door screen 
guard panel for air and to get house sounds. He uses the plexiglas as 
a drum-especially when he wants attention!


I have spent at least 2 hours with him each night for the last 5 
years- have my own easy chair and large screen tv :)


That's the remedy I came up with so he gets plenty of loving and 
entertainment- he's probably the healthiest of all the other 14 I have 
inside!


?Food: no junk food, both wet and no-grain kibble -that includes a 
variety of brands- and fresh water
?Vaccine: wouldn't touch it - I don't use vaccines unless required by 
law
?Stress: I keep it as low as possible, that means only vet trips if 
life & death- can't afford routine visits because we're living on 
retirement funds ?Pray: a lot

Will be praying for Robert too!




-g ??
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On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:12 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
wrote:


I heard the leukemia  vaccine carries a high risk of cancer.  Does 
anyone have their FELV cat around non-felv cats?  I thought about 
letting Skylar out only while I am home and see how it goes with the 
regular cats.  But I have a FIV cat in the mix of the other cats and 
not sure if they would pass germs and cause more harm.  My Felv has 
no signs of illness since he was moved him indoor.I don't think 
he can be near the FIV cat.  Thanks for any info

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Of ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..

Hi Sheila...
Wonder if you have anyone helping you with Cat Care ( or 
expen

Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Hi Sheila...
Wonder if you have anyone helping you with Cat Care ( or expenses) 
that is a lot of cats to look after
and the expense could get rather overwhelming. are some of them 
fosters???


Bob


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I understand Sheila! I have my first too, actually Mom and her 
kittens. One

kitten passed away.and the other is 15 months old. Plus I took another
FeLv+ cat from out shelter. I will probably end up adopting her too 
:).

On Jul 21, 2017 8:34 AM, "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium" <
sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote:

No, he said it was no big deal at all.  I just worry.  This is my 
first

FELV cat.



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Behalf

Of *Pam Doore
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*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.



Sheila did your vet seem concerned about the higher cholesterol?

On Jul 21, 2017 7:44 AM, "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium" <
sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote:

It was part of a blood panel I had done on him.  I get bloodwork 
every 6

months and I thought it was odd too.

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Of

dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.

I have never had anyone tell me my cats needed cholesterol tested.
i was beginning to wonder if the list was still there, had not heard
anything.

 Amani Oakley  wrote:
It if were me, I would ignore the cholesterol. It is nonsensical in 
cats

(and being called into question in humans too).


Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On 
Behalf

Of Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: July-20-17 10:37 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.

My son Skylar is doing well and his 6 month bloodwork came back 
great.
High cholesterol is all.  No idea why that would be. He is now 2 1/2 
years

old, I hope he is around a long time.


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On 
Behalf

Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:28 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Checking in.

Things have been very quiet on the group lately...OR... I am once 
again

not getting group mail

Has there been activity I've missed??
My Hospice Boy ( Gilbert) is doing quite well for the moment but ( 
as we
all know with such things it could change any minute...so I'll just 
enjoy
it while it's happening)Wondering if any of you have 
experience
with Higher dose Prednisolone administered chronically ( say above 
7.5 mg
QD)...  When I agreed to Foster Gilbert it came with the proviso that 
I
would follow their directions ( Which I will hold to unless I feel 
they are

killing him unnecessarily quickly)  His Tumor does not appear to have
gotten any larger and his pain appears to be pretty well 
controlled
Just wish I knew specifically what is helping the most so I could cut 
down
on superfluous drugscurrently he's on Gabapentin( .4 cc BID if 
pain is
up.. QD if doing OK).. for pain, prednisolone ( 10 mg QD administered 
via

syringe dissolved in milk, Venus Fly Trap SubQ BID ( interesting
substance... bears closer scrutiny...  supposed to have anti tumor
activity) Two other " alternative " medications !
 which I h
 ave suspended only because the poor boy screams bloody murder every 
time
I have to give him something. with a tumor invading his oral 
cavity I

want to keep anything PO to a minimum
Seems that the cats I've had that are _ supposed_ to ( clincally) 
die

don't and the ones that that aren't ..do Hope everyones buddies are

doing reasonably well ( as reasonably well as FeLV Kitties can do)...
Gilbert, as I mentioned, had a traumatic brain injury which has left 
him
with poor balance... but lately he's been in

[Felvtalk] Checking in.....

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Things have been very quiet on the group lately...OR... I am once again 
not getting group mail

Has there been activity I've missed??
My Hospice Boy ( Gilbert) is doing quite well for the moment but ( as we 
all know with such things it could change any minute...so I'll just 
enjoy it while it's happening)    Wondering if any of you have 
experience with Higher dose Prednisolone administered chronically ( say 
above 7.5 mg QD)...  When I agreed to Foster Gilbert it came with the 
proviso that I would follow their directions ( Which I will hold to 
unless I feel they are killing him unnecessarily quickly)  His Tumor 
does not appear to have gotten any larger and his pain appears to be 
pretty well controlled Just wish I knew specifically what is helping 
the most so I could cut down on superfluous drugscurrently he's on 
Gabapentin( .4 cc BID if pain is up.. QD if doing OK).. for pain, 
prednisolone ( 10 mg QD administered via syringe dissolved in milk, 
Venus Fly Trap SubQ BID ( interesting substance... bears closer 
scrutiny...  supposed to have anti tumor activity) Two other " 
alternative " medications which I have suspended only because the poor 
boy screams bloody murder every time I have to give him something. 
with a tumor invading his oral cavity I want to keep anything PO to a 
minimum
Seems that the cats I've had that are _ supposed_ to ( clincally) die 
don't and the ones that that aren't ..do
Hope everyones buddies are doing reasonably well ( as reasonably well as 
FeLV Kitties can do)...  Gilbert, as I mentioned, had a traumatic brain 
injury which has left him with poor balance... but lately he's been 
insistent on expanding his range and even tried running this AM...  
Wasn't in anything resembling a straight line but the spirit in this guy 
is enough to make you weep...  Guess that's part of why I am such a fan 
of animals they simply do what they have to and do it without 
complaint  ( Sure glad they can't speak...perhaps I'd like them less if 
their inner thoughts were more like ( Why ME??  I'm a more thoughtful 
caring cat than Mittens over there; why did _ I_ have to get hit by a 
car and THEN get cancer!!... and there's that jerk Mittens running 
around all carefree and happy...where's the Justice I ask you)...

Bob
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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert...

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Amani...
As always... thank you for the advice and all the other references to 
research ( Doxy, Cannabinol) that can be helpful down the road...   In 
the case of Gilbert it is perplexing that they are so withholding re: 
drugs.  Gilbert is a favorite of everyone and no one wants to see him 
hurting  I'll keep making suggestions.  Starting once again to pay 
my own ( larger) medical contributions under medicare I cannot afford to 
be taking him to vets on my own ( as well as it being a potential 
problem if I do because he is ( technically) the shelters " property as 
he is a Foster   Right now he is on purefied liquid Venus Fly Trap 
per a complementary Vet who is well regarded in the local 
community...which she says helped her keep her own cats tumor at bay for 
nine months (  This lady is not simply " out there"... but I have not 
yet done any looking re: VFT as I was not planning to prolong Gilbies 
life.. Just to make him comfortable and keep him out of the shelter 
during his final days  Now, of course, having gotten so used to and 
loving having him with me I am interested in how to keep him painlessly 
around with me longer  I like watching TV with a 15 lb cat sitting 
on my chest with his face inches from my own... snoring..


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Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny..

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Marilyn...
So Sorry to  hear about Destiny... was afraid it was something like this 
when it was discovered  that she was FeLV+  My Current Cat ( 
Gilbert) is suffering much the same fate ( apart from the FeLV)... I am 
keeping him on Prednisolone to keep the tumor in check for as long as we 
can... and just last week he developed what appeared to be a sinus 
infection ( though none of his exudate is purulent at this point) In his 
case the tumor makes it impossible to _ close_ one of his eyes all the 
way( so I give him drops several times a day to keep some moisture on 
the eyeball  We'll put him down at the point that he stops eating or 
appears to be in severe pain... neither has happened as yet...  I will 
miss him terribly... he is one of the nicest cats I have ever met...  
Appears we have all been very fortunate to have beautiful kitties with 
terrific personalities in our care and equally unfortunate in losing 
them SO far before their reasonable time Your girl sounds like she 
was a sweetie.  I am sorry...

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cannabinol

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Amani et al.
Thank you for the updates and personal experiences... it is apparent 
that I have to do some homework
on the , now, medical uses of this substance  And, yes, isn't always 
so convenient how laws change when corporations find a way to slide a 
formerly banned substance into the mainstream in such a way as to make 
it palatable to both the government watchdogs and the Drug Warriors  
Wonder when they will find new medical uses for Inhaled Tobacco smoke  : 
)    THAT would be a major coup!!
I'm intrigued about the anti Seizure properties...will definitely be 
looking into this more closely and soon...



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I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to 
justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be 
all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get 
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Amy
I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not 
something I held on to...? At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and 
I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for 
them was useless? I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were 
rather insistent that it IS useful? Yes/No Maybe so? : )? I chose 
to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for 
reference...? and Amani ( if you happen to read this)? I am getting 
hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when 
something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to 
Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...? With all the Hoopla there 
must be a pony in there somewhere..



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Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You 
will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many 
positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged 
when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this 
substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply 
because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked 
with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling 
that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis 
on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing 
was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most 
scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the 
scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a 
pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances 
from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went 
from having no known medicinal qualities
  (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very 
effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for 
the drug company.


Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There 
are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out 
excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this 
substance.


Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it 
for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is 
unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe 
forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an 
hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective 
would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not 
only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn?t affect the 
children's level

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

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Amy
I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something 
I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT 
want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was 
useless  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather 
insistent that it IS useful  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to 
believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for 
reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting 
hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when 
something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to 
Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must 
be a pony in there somewhere..



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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

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I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for 
Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's 
ineffectiveness but vets I have gone to insist that it IS 
effective   I'd prefer to " believe" at this point rather than to 
feel helpless... there are other anti-virals one can use but they are 
rather expensive and have their share of side effects  Once again... 
have to weight the benefits against the drawbacks.



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Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the 
virus.  Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino 
acid, so not harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it 
does not work.  Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect 
my other cats. Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be 
Herpe's anyway.  Antibiotic seems to not be working either.  I am 
feeding cat food with a syringe and she is going to the vet today for 
a consult on using steroids and Zander's Protocol.



Marilyn


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May I ask ? what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes 
(not that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.)



Thank you,

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Re: [Felvtalk] Prednisolone

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Lorrie..
Gilbert is not FeLV... He has a Cancerous Tumor...  I'm giving him 5mg 
of Prednisolone via Tablet
and it has been helping ( though ultimately it may be at a  price).  
Shelter appears to want o avoid Suboxone and have provided Gabapentin in 
syringe to try Have a feeling that I am , once again, going to have 
to pay if I want to be sure this guy is not in pain.  This shelter 
is beginning to aggravate me with their backward ways and they are going 
to lose me as a foster parent if this doesn't change.. There are 
other organizations that need assistance and I need more cooperation...

Hoping that the  pred keeps helping for a while...


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Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds? I was hoping there 
was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are 
many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is 
mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got 
them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already 
helpingHOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had 
used larger doses than 5mg BID..
This is a cat? that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one 
never knows? I don't want to play " fast and loose"? with his 
other organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want 
him comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended 
up screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes...? 
I did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and 
found it very hard to obtain definitive information? Probably need 
to go to original Vet Sources? Sure hope kitties have natural 
endorphins that keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard 
to find stuff that will help their pain
BTW...? I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in 
REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred)
He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and 
climbing things he had NO business being on ...considering that the 
drug had completely screwed up his balance...? He acted like a drunk 
essentially until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( 
which he did most of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in 
obvious pain for at least 10 hours!!...??




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Just like in human medicine, things help one problem and cause 
another.  It seems to come down to which problem is the worst or least 
bad.  Just read in Mercola about gene editing to change a person's 
genetic code.  There are unwanted edits which can be harmful.  To make 
a decision for our babies, is hard.  If I had been able to stop 
Annie's pain, I think I would have done anything, but at what cost to 
her.  It is like giving steroids to stop knee pain.  They dissolve 
bone and cause so many other problems, it is not worth it.  I found 
that out when the dr gave me the shots in my knees.  My blood sugar 
shot up to 700 for about 3 days.  I now take hyaleuronic injections 
that do not affect my blood sugar.  In fact they don't seem to have 
any side effects.  They cost almost twice as much but last for 6 
months so the cost comes out the same.  I just wish they could talk so 
they could tell us when and where  they hurt, but their instinct is to 
hide pain so predators will not know they are  disabled in any way.

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[Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds  I was hoping there 
was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are 
many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is 
mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got them 
to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already 
helpingHOPE it continues to do so)...  Wondering if anyone had used 
larger doses than 5mg BID..
This is a cat  that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one 
never knows  I don't want to play " fast and loose"  with his other 
organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want him 
comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended up 
screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes...  I 
did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and found it 
very hard to obtain definitive information  Probably need to go to 
original Vet Sources  Sure hope kitties have natural endorphins that 
keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard to find stuff that 
will help their pain
BTW...  I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in 
REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred)
He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and climbing 
things he had NO business being on ...considering that the drug had 
completely screwed up his balance...  He acted like a drunk essentially 
until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( which he did most 
of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in obvious pain for at 
least 10 hours!!...  


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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert...

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Amani, Margo et al
Thank you for the input  I am quite familiar with oral buprenorphine 
having dosed my boys more times than I care to recall...  was hoping 
there might be something else as well but after doing my due diligence 
on the Web it does appear that cats pose significant challenges when 
their pain is not joint related... He's already been on  one course of 
Prednisolone...but...frankly, given his condition I don't know why they 
are not giving it to him chronically. and yes...I agree..ANY thing 
that can help to reduce inflammation would be a plus...  I was fairly 
into Herbal Tx at one time some years ago but need to look more into it 
for cats... Wasn't particularly impressed at the results I got but 
others swear by Herbs (  potency is so variable it's hard to say for 
certain)  When I took Gilbert it was WITH the understanding that I 
would be hospice fostering him... not looking for cures but amelioration 
of any discomfort he might have is priority one for ME...  I'm over a 
barrel now because if they don't agree with what i feel he needs for 
pain I either have to return him to them ( THAT would be very 
difficult... or pay for it myself... and that violates the terms of 
fostering the cat  But... I doubt they would have an issue they 
already know what I will propose if they don't agree Buprenorphine 
isn't prohibitively expensive if purchased in vials and I fill the 
syringes myself... it would be if it were purchased FROM a vet in 
prefilled syringes  Fortunately he does not yet appear to be in 
MAJOR pain ( not hiding out, vocalizing, getting aggressive or ceasing 
eating. but his IS uncomfortable and this will doubtless progress as 
the tumor grows.   Will discuss Prednisolone and Buprenorphine with 
the shelter vet and director..


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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thanks Sheri...

The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for 
Buphenorphine ( which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I 
have a LOT of experience with  _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my 
Little Yogi who was plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a 
while...   I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it appeared to help a 
bit...   may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted to ask the 
group if they've used other things...  Particularly since Gilberts mouth 
hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or 
something that could be added to his food   The only reliable way to 
medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ...   so I 
guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Shelters and Sanctuaries for FelV

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 Pam...


Loveandhopeforanimals  http://loveandhopeforanimals.org
 (a well funded operation in Upstate New York)       and      
Aslanscats   also in the Northeast
Are the only ones that come to mind at the moment...    Also you might 
give a look at  Seer Farms  in Lakewood NJ. These are the only ones 
that are driveable distance from where I get the impression you are 
from.    I know there are others but the small operations are often 
questionable as they are often well meaning but frequently so 
underfunded that the animals do not get adequate care  I don't think 
most of us want to send these more unfortunate creatures simply off to a 
place that will treat them like Hospice Pets ( unless they are truly 
close to death) When I first got my FeLV boys I did a LOT of 
calling around the US to shelters and Sanctuaries that looked after FeLV 
cats and one call led to contacts at another and so onit's been a 
while but would recommend you do the same Frankly... the best care 
info I received was from this group... but that does not obviate the 
possibility that there are others out there that have execellent 
suggestions or resources that would be helpful..   Sorry I can't 
provide more but , though retired, I'm swamped with things that MUST be 
done today...


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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous 
Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is 
beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his 
paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off 
and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking 
motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw
I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the 
shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted 
to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or 
amelioration  I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to 
have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, 
in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day 
or exploring a little bit.  As predicted I am going to be 
heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I 
was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but 
apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, 
gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to 
sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the 
" ignore" center in his brain : )...  The fact that his balance is a 
little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the 
affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into 
his  genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about 
watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...   Have 
any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put 
your cats into a stupor   I'm worried about my boy because he is 
already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... 
would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something 
and missisng..   Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" 
room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter 
so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein 
for as long as I can.

Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute

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[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I'm a little confused at this point there are many condolence notes 
here but thte last that I read Annie wasn't doing well but her blood 
work did not suggest that she was likely to pass in the next few days..
Has there been any change??   If she did die I am of course VERY sorry.. 
but I am hoping not...

Please let us know...

BOb


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Re: [Felvtalk] Annie...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I would not be giving up on Annie by any means...  As Amani points out 
her blood values are not at a critical phase... she has some signs of a 
possible infection that could respond to ABX treatment and you could, of 
course be pleasantly surprised at her ability to rally...   Thiis is not 
to suggest that your concerns are unfounded...  with my own luck of late 
I could easily find myself assuming that a FeLV cat of mine was on his 
or her way out if they had even a URI.   This time around I'm 
fostering a cat with Terminal Cancer because I feel HE stands a better 
chance of surviving  : ) I'm gratified that there are many in this 
forum who have managed to keep their FeLV charges alive for multiple 
years and the cumulative knowledge we all gain will help us down the 
line to brighten the prospects for more of these kitties down the 
line  I'm rooting for Annie to make comeback..

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Re: [Felvtalk] Animal Welfare

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Jennifer...
Yes... I am already swamped daily with petition after petition as well 
as plea after plea for money to help everything from Housepets to 
Miniature Donkeys  If fact...  it's hard to NOT go vigilante as the 
laws of the land as they now stand still do not accord animals the 
justice they deserve... You can virtually devastate the life of an 
animal...well loved by it's human family or unknown to anyone and still 
get little more than a slap on the wrist in the legal system It is 
up to us as citizens to make it known to these reprobates that WE think 
of them as defective and if they are unreachable to shun them in every 
way possible
I'm tempted to say more but the world of email has a way of coming round 
and misquoting you later on down the road



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   6. My Martin.so handsomehe was the 5th of my babies to
  suffer from this horrific disease.   I even tried LTCI
  INJECTIONS.  with my JoeI've lost Clayton, and Apache and
  Charlie.?.  I'm sad, broken hearted and angry.   I've been 
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  rescue for 20 yrs. But this is the first I've been broken 
hearted

  and watched FELV take them one by onethank you all for your
  love and kindness (rosebudcocopuff)
   7. Re: My Martin.so handsomehe was the 5th of my babies
  to suffer from this horrific disease.   I even tried LTCI
  INJECTIONS.  with my JoeI've lost Clayton, and Apache and
  Charlie.?.  I'm sad, broken hearted and angry.   I've been 
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  and watched FELV take them one by onethank you all for your
  love and kindness (Sandy)


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I agree completely.  I think that these people who do this also do so 
unto their fellow humans.  One thing they lack is the love of God.


---- ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:


I have, obviously ( as do all of us) a very difficult time reconciling 
how someone could NOT care about animals or worse... use and abuse 
them for profit.?? In truth... I think my anger at such people is more 
than a bit beyond the pale and I worry, honestly, about getting myself 
in real legal trouble should I encounter someone in the act of 
purposely harming an animal...?? I try to remind myself to NOT be 
so self Righteous since I had nothing to do with the caring I have for 
animals I was simply "made" that way... it was part of me from the 
earliest years that I can remember? Had my genes been 
different..perhaps I'd be running a dog fighting ring..??? Beyond 
this, though, I feel it IS justified to require people to at least ACT 
decently even if their heart does not melt for animals?? Ok... so 
maybe they don't particularly care about the miserable lives many 
animals ( and people) have? I don't ask that they _ feel_ 
differently but I DO expect that they will not contribute to or 
exacerbate that misery?? This is MY line in the sand and I have NO 
forgiveness in my heart for people who do so? People never cease 
to amaze me both with their capacity for goodness and caring and their 
utter lack of these same traits... how such polar opposites can exist 
in the same? ( purportedly sentient) species boggles my mind.?? It 
does my heart a world of good to know that all of you are out there 
making life better for the little creatures that can do so little to 
improve their own lot... your kindness humbles me






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Re: [Felvtalk] Martin...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I'm sorry to hear about Martin... I don't know that I've heard about him 
before on this forum but having him die in under year suggests to me 
that he was FeLV...  I'm beginning to have a rather visceral reaction 
comparable to those I have upon hearing of people who abuse animals 
whenever I hear the name of that disease... It's become my decided 
enemyRobbing both quality of AND life from these wonderful little 
creatures so early on.. BTW... a small request.  Perhaps people 
could identify themselves if they are not regular contributors to the 
list if their email identity does not include their name  It's seems 
a little odd to me to address a note to
rosebudcocopuff :)   Thank you RBCCpuff for providing a loving home for 
this fellow...  a large chunk of luck in an otherwise unlucky life..


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Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals...

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I have, obviously ( as do all of us) a very difficult time reconciling 
how someone could NOT care about animals or worse... use and abuse them 
for profit.   In truth... I think my anger at such people is more than a 
bit beyond the pale and I worry, honestly, about getting myself in real 
legal trouble should I encounter someone in the act of purposely harming 
an animal...   I try to remind myself to NOT be so self Righteous 
since I had nothing to do with the caring I have for animals I was 
simply "made" that way... it was part of me from the earliest years that 
I can remember  Had my genes been different..perhaps I'd be running 
a dog fighting ring..    Beyond this, though, I feel it IS justified to 
require people to at least ACT decently even if their heart does not 
melt for animals   Ok... so maybe they don't particularly care about 
the miserable lives many animals ( and people) have  I don't ask 
that they _ feel_ differently but I DO expect that they will not 
contribute to or exacerbate that misery   This is MY line in the 
sand and I have NO forgiveness in my heart for people who do so  
People never cease to amaze me both with their capacity for goodness and 
caring and their utter lack of these same traits... how such polar 
opposites can exist in the same  ( purportedly sentient) species boggles 
my mind.   It does my heart a world of good to know that all of you 
are out there making life better for the little creatures that can do so 
little to improve their own lot... your kindness humbles me






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Re: [Felvtalk] Checking In...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

So Glad to hear that no new " tragedies" have emerged of late and that 
Violet loves her catnip!.. I love the image I conjur of her eating a 
leaf or two and rolling in the Grass looking at you with her little head 
upside down  It's been only a few weeks since I lost my buddy 
Magellin and though it's not with me on a daily basis I only have to 
encounter a surprise reminder to bring tears to my eyes ( eg... needing 
to put some meds for myself into a container and grabbing the nearest 
empty one which turned out to be Jelly's Mirtazapine container... 
virtually in a second the whole experience came rushing back... 
attempting to get him to eat..watching him lose weight... syringe 
feeding him...   Friends ask me " why are you considering doing it 
again" and all I can say is  " It feels worse to NOT help than the 
pain of helping"...  Amani expressed a nice sentiment a few times when 
explaining to folks why she continues to do what she does...
" If the people who care about cats don't help them it's certainly not 
going to be the people who _ don't_ care about them" ( yes Amani I took 
a measure of literary license in quoting you...  Hope it's close : )
On Sunday I expect to take home my new Foster... and older " Miracle" 
survivor of some kind of traumatic encounter( we don't know what)... He 
was traumatically brain injured and could barely walk when he first came 
to us..when I drove him to the vet I was positive they would just put 
him down... but he made a miraculous recovery and is now just the 
sweetest lap cat you could know... but still not entirely steady on his 
feet..  In the last few weeks he developed a tumor behind one of his 
eyes and it is the consensus of two vets that it is a cancer that will 
kill him in a few months ( one of the vets had a cat with the exact 
same situation and used a combination of Sub Cu injectable alternative 
meds to keep the boy alive for an extra nine months...  I can't stand 
the idea of this sweet guy living out his remaining days on the bottom 
level of cages just sleeping there with little attention until he 
dies... He deserves to see the sun and to have someone to pet him and 
know a home for at least a few months  I'm hoping that knowing in 
advance of taking him home that the only real surprise would be his 
actually surviving that I won't have the same level of sadness that my 
others guys engendered... Be that as it may... I'm doing it.



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Just wanted to check in and see how everyone is doing? We've been very 
busy

here with the end of the school year, holidays, graduations, etc.

My Violet is doing well, she seems happy and healthy although I'm
struggling to find a healthy food that she likes. She loved the honest
kitchen food when I first bought it but now isn't very excited to eat 
it.
I'm going to check out other options at a local pet health food store 
this

week to see if I can find something she likes.

I got a tattoo for Mo about a week ago. I felt like it was the closure 
I
was looking for and the artist even let me put his ashes into the ink. 
I
know he is always with me now but I'm still very emotional about the 
whole

ordeal. It's been two months but still feels so raw.

I hope all of you and all your fur babies are doing well, I just 
wanted to
pop on and say "hey". I'm so glad to be heading towards summer and 
back in

my garden again. It keeps my mind busy and is so cathartic. We planted
catnip for Violet, she absolutely loves it! It's so funny to watch her
bliss out when she eats a leaf or two?

Best wishes,
Sheri
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Re: [Felvtalk] Nicely Stated...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Hi Folks

Once again I sent something to the list and it has not appeared in my 
mail...so I have no idea if it made it to the group..
My brother had to put down his buddy ( a border collie) of 14 yrs the 
other day and I had come across a piece a fellow wrote about losing his 
own dog after the same amount of time though this is about the loss 
of  a dog it is equally applicable to cats and captures the sentiment 
just beautifully..

--



To most, he was “just” a dog.  To me, he was so much more than just a 
best friend, he was an integral part of my life, and my world for over 
14 years.  I was there to see him take his first breath in this world. 
And I was there when he breathed his last, after a long and, I hope, 
happy life.  And when he left this world, it was as if a large piece of 
me was violently torn away.  Eventually the countless happy memories of 
the all too brief time I had with him will crowd out the anguish of the 
last moments we spent.  For now, I can take only cold comfort in knowing 
that when it came time to make the call, I did right by him.  His body 
was on the verge of a “cascading system failure”, but it had not yet 
progressed to the point where it had broken his spirit.  I had been 
waiting for him to tell me it was his time for some while, but it was 
his prognosis that finally sealed it.  He was not going to get better; 
he would only get worse.  Even with surgery — which at his age was more 
risk than solution — his best case was a few months, and those would 
have been pain ridden.


I don’t suppose I’ll ever stop second guessing whether I waited too long 
or not long enough.  But in the circumstances keeping him going through 
heroic measures would have been for my benefit, not his.


When you bring a dog into your life, you make a bargain.  Tonka never 
once failed to deliver on his side of that bargain.  And as much as it 
hurt — and will continue to hurt — I had to deliver on mine.


Goodnight pal, see you on the other side.  I love you, buddy.

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[Felvtalk] Nice Sentiment...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Hello All:
While I know that our group is about cats... lately friends and family 
have been losing their long time canine companions   I cam across 
the piece below quite by mistake but it moved me enough to pass it 
along...it applies equally to cats..

Bob C
==

To most, he was “just” a dog.  To me, he was so much more than just a
 best friend, he was an integral part of my life, and my world for over
14 years.  I was there to see him take his first breath in this world.
 And I was there when he breathed his last, after a long and, I hope,
happy life.  And when he left this world, it was as if a large piece of
me was violently torn away.  Eventually the countless happy memories of
the all too brief time I had with him will crowd out the anguish of the
last moments we spent.  For now, I can take only cold comfort in knowing
 that when it came time to make the call, I did right by him.  His body
was on the verge of a “cascading system failure”, but it had not yet
progressed to the point where it had broken his spirit.  I had been
waiting for him to tell me it was his time for some while, but it was
his prognosis that finally sealed it.  He was not going to get better;
he would only get worse.  Even with surgery — which at his age was more
risk than solution — his best case was a few months, and those would
have been pain ridden.


I don’t suppose I’ll ever stop second guessing whether I waited too
long or not long enough.  But in the circumstances keeping him going
through heroic measures would have been for my benefit, not his.


When you bring a dog into your life, you make a bargain.  Tonka never
 once failed to deliver on his side of that bargain.  And as much as it
hurt — and will continue to hurt — I had to deliver on mine.


Goodnight pal, see you on the other side.  I love you, buddy.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mo

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I'm so sorry Sheri... Mo was certainly lucky to have such a fine home 
for his brief little life...  You looked after him with love from the 
moment he came home with you until it was time to leave..  We can't give 
too much more than that..


Bob




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Re: [Felvtalk] Mo

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I hope little Mo passes soon.Not that I want Mo to be gone but I 
want you to be able to actually grieve his loss rather than be subjected 
to the pain of wondering each day if THIS is the day and worrying if he 
is going to die while you are away from him. I don't know that they 
sense our presence when they are this ill and close to the end of their 
lives but I know it made ME feel better to be with my guys holding them 
for as many hours as I could while they were near the end.  I hope 
you , too, are able to be physically connected to your little Mo when he 
leaves his little body..   I am comforted for Mo that he has you 
caring this much that his last moments have a much quality as you can 
provide

Bob

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Thank you all for your kind words and support. It means so much to me
during this painful time.

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017, 12:54 PM Amani Oakley  wrote:

I am so sorry Sheri. You did everything possible. And you?re right. 
It is
beyond unfair that these innocent beings should suffer and die like 
this.




Amani



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Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my
daughter's room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his
buprenorphine but I am done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort 
care.




We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really 
see
the point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first 
started
slipping it would have helped him. At least I am armed with this 
knowledge

for Violet.



My heart is breaking. This is all so unfair.
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Thank you Jen, I need all the strength I can get!

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Thoughts & prayers for your strength. Mo will be completely healthy 
soon-

just missing you til you are reunited once more.
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Sheri
There is no better ending for our little friends than to die in the 
arms of those who loved them... and no better ending for us as 
well.
Mo deserves to not have his end be a repetition of his beginnings...I 
realize that I am not the most objective fellow in the world at the 
moment but ,having had my little yogi die with me holding him ... 
passing quietly and peacefully was a comfort for me. No quess 
workhether it was the right time. No yanking him from his home, to be 
put in a carrier and exposed to a stressful car ride.. placed on a 
metal table to meet his end in a strange place. Whenever possible this 
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[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Sheri.
I could not BE more sorry to hear this... it is SO close to my heart as 
well and has been from the time you started to write about little MO.   
Thank you so much for giving your love and care to this unfortunate 
little guy...  it's so hard to accept this level of injustice sometimes 
and the only comfort _ I _ get is when lovely people like yourself step 
in and try to give help and comfort to these lovely creatures...
I lost the Battle with my little Jelly very early in the AM on Monday 
and it was not an easy passing  I wish that I had not held on as 
long  If little mo is uncomfortable I would definitely suggest that 
you euthanize him lest he die uncomfortably.  but... that is 
obviously coming from a person who is still feeling guilty that he 
waiting too long himself.    I know how hard you have been trying 
and I have immense respect for your giving heart and compassion for the 
little creatures who have no one but us( and the many other animal 
caretakers out there)... to look out for them   Whatever else you 
feel...know that you should value your pure heart.


Bob


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Sheri..
I don't think I need to tell you that I REALLY feel for your 
struggle  I love that you have made a little place for mo where he 
can look out onto the outside world , feel the sun and look at the other 
little creatures ( that he would likely kill and eat if he had the 
chancelets be real : )   but  I still LOVE to see them show 
interest in the world around them... it helps us to "stay the 
course".   I have NO idea if our little charges have any 
appreciation of what we do for them or even if it makes a difference 
that make a comfortable safe sunny area for them at our homes...  I need 
to do it for ME...  I can't stand the idea of any creature dying unloved 
and unattended even IF they themselves don't even know it TO be so... 
Right this minute I have Jelly on two syringes of Buphenorphine and am 
hoping that he dies at home so that I don't have to take him someplace 
unfamiliar in order to save him from further discomfort  Tonight he 
began mouth breathing and meowing pathetically after I moved him and it 
is clear that he is very uncomfortable...  He's unstable on his 
feet...eating and drinking and using the litter box not at all and 
unless he perks up substantially I'm going to  try to help him out of 
this world tomorrow.. I HATE having to make this decision but... for 
these last 12 hours he has been a cat without ANY quality of life and 
the show of discomfort just makes it impossible for me to overlook it 
and hope for the best any longer..  Hoping for a miracle in the 
later morning...

Keep at it with little mo  perhaps you will have better fortune

Bob

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Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Sheri...
You make a good point...  I'd need someones help to visualize the inside 
of his mouth( any time I open his mouth or mess with his gums he 
interprets it as nasty medicine coming his way or being " forced" to 
take in nutrition...  I know the vet I took him to did not check his 
mouth  I can't speak about the vet that the shelter took him to for 
the original incorrect Dx( He certainly SHOULD have checked his mouth as 
the presenting complaint was that he was not eating... but can't say for 
sure.   I'm inclined to think that this is not the limiting factor  as 
he doesn't really even show an interest in food and the food that is 
made available to him right now is VERY easy on his mouth ( ie.. does 
not require any substantive chewing) That said...  I will keep this in 
the forfront of my brain as something to pay more attention to.    
I'm in a race against time with this little guy as he is losing weight 
rather quickly( which can be the virus alone... but his failure to take 
in adequate calories is exacerbating the situation..   Today his 
high spots were even higher but his low times were even lower ( if that 
makes any sense)... eg... He ate a little and was more sociable for a 
brief while but when he was over that he really wanted to be left 
alone  I don't force him to do anything he doesn't want to do save 
for brooking NO opposition when it comes to taking his Winstrol Doxy and 
Pred and at least 30 CC of Baby Food and additional fluids if he is not 
drinking much ( like today)...  I'm going to try to get him some SubQ 
fluids over at the shelter tomorrow... He's slowing down on his 
drinking.
I tell Jelly how everyone is rooting for him  : ) Strangely he does 
not appear moved by this news  : )


Bob


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   2. Re: Jelly.. (Sheri Burbridge)
   3. Re: Jelly.. (dlg...@windstream.net)
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Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:14:52 -0500
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SO happy to hear you've had some ups again- praying he's stable long 
enough

for the meds to work their miracles for Jelly!
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Bob, I am right there with you trying not to get my hopes up when 
things go
well for awhile but I'm SO happy that you had those good moments with 
Jelly
today! I love how much you love your animals, I'm the same, mine are 
all my

kids, I have a real soft spot for special needs animals.

I thought I'd ask since I'm dealing with this with Mo, have you 
checked
Jelly's mouth for sores? Mo has a bunch on his palate that the vet 
compared
to canker sores and said it makes swallowing painful. I've been giving 
Mo

tiny syringes of Buprenorphine 2-3 times a day to help him eat. I just
thought I'd throw it out there in case Jelly could be helped with 
something

like that too?

I hope you both are having a good evening and I'm willing the meds to 
work

for Jelly from here!

Sheri

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 5:05 PM ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:

Thank you all for your support and suggestions...  It is a comfort to 
me
that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we 
can
develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to 
me

are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : )
it is that much more painful
I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming 
and
pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting 
me
to brush his sides and backafter that he actually ate a little 
bit

of baby food off a plate I had to leave for a few hours and I was
hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the 
rest
of the baby food I left on the plate   I don't know which bothers 
me
more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just 
never
getting my hopes up?...  Whe

Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thank you all for your support and suggestions...  It is a comfort to me 
that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we can 
develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to me 
are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : )   
it is that much more painful
I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming and 
pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting me 
to brush his sides and backafter that he actually ate a little bit 
of baby food off a plate I had to leave for a few hours and I was 
hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the rest 
of the baby food I left on the plate   I don't know which bothers me 
more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just never 
getting my hopes up?...  When I returned home he was quite lethargic and 
had not touched any of  the food...   His gurgling ( which had abated 
considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this 
Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a 
challenge again.  Still... he DID improve for a few hours which " 
may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all...  Every day I decide 
to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times...  But.. I'm a 
little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty 
discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life left...
As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)  I'm actually 
rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always was 
turkey baby food   Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite the 
side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his throat   
Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it...   I leave plates of 
anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout the 
day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is 
inclined. and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is not 
wanting for affection  any time that he is willing to stay near me 
he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was...  I am literally 
unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on some 
part of it's body Moreso my own pets but really quite the same with 
any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a youngster. 
   I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I 
don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at 
least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog).   So thank you all 
for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide the 
little creatures that so many others overlook...


Bob 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Syringe Feeding

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

For folks who have Syringe Fed cats... 
How much do you " force" at each feeding when a cat shows little 
interest in even swallowing that which you manage to get into his 
mouth...   Jelly fights it tooth and nail...   I am WAY behind in his 
caloric needs because he fights so vehemently now about taking meds or 
being fed that I feel that it is hurting more than helping   I was 
using AD with High Density calorie paste but he doesn't like it at ALL 
so I am now using bits of baby food and alternating with KMR Kitten Milk 
and literally forcing him to swallow a couple of oz's...which is also 
far too little..  He still drinks water on his own and is urinating 
a large amount... for all I know at this point his Kidneys could be 
shutting down


He is  lethargic enough at this point that I am 75% sure that I will put 
him down before the weekend is out...  If he were just battling anemia 
I'd have more hope for the Win/Pred/Doxy combo but with the tumor I'm 
feeling I might not be doing him any favors Admittedly... it was 
only a couple of months back that I watched my other little boy fade 
away at home over the course of a couple of months but HE was eating at 
least Mostly... I don't think " I " can take much more of watching 
my lovely boy die... Every day I'm here living my life around trying to 
get him to eat.. watching that he doesn't eat cement or other detritus ( 
Pica r/t anemia) putting food in a thousand places so that if he IS 
inclined at one moment TO eat there will be something near at hand TO 
eat and getting more and more depressed with each passing day at the 
lack of response.  This damnable disease!!!   6 short weeks ago he 
passed his wellness exam with flying colors  They can be claimed in 
a heartbeat.   I don't know that I will take in another FeLV cat 
unless I can find a damn vet that will work WITH ME and give a dying cat 
a fighting chance...  I can't take this amount of sadness again for 
at least several months...




Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2017 02:19:39 +
From: Sheri Burbridge To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
[Felvtalk] New FELV mom

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I've struggled with Mo since he came home, literally, the only thing 
he
will eat on his own is the Temptations treats. I count them so I know 
he's
gotten more than his basic needs every day but he's never bowled us 
over
with his appetite, even on mirzapine (definitely misspelled that). He 
will
lick the gel off his feet still, I feel lucky to have found anything 
he

likes but a bit stuck as he won't try anything else!

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017, 5:30 PM Amani Oakley  wrote:

Good luck Sheri. I understand all too well the reluctance to add 
stress by
syringe feeding, but I think that the ?gas in the engine? is also 
dependent

on getting in those calories. I rely on baby food. I find that it is
usually palatable enough that you can usually syringe a wee bit of it 
on
their lips or just inside their lips ? if they sit or lie down beside 
you
or in your lap (my preferred position), and they will lick at what is 
in or

on their mouth. I think this helps to stimulate their appetite. The
Winstrol will often also help improve appetite, strength and a sense 
of

feeling better so that they want to eat a bit more.



Amani







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Re: [Felvtalk] Vi and Mo...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Sheri...
I know , all too well, what you are going through and hope to the power 
of 10 that the meds help for mo as much as they have for others on the 
list   The more people out there recognize that FeLV is not always a 
death sentence ( if one has a forward thinking vet) the more people 
might be willing to adopt these lovely cats ( At the shelter where I 
volunteer EACH of our FeLV cats is nice than the next)  I am worried 
about the Colony now because one of the Colony just died from Effusive 
FIP and since all were raised together there is a high likelihood that 
the others are still carrying the Corona Virus fingers crossed as to 
whether is will develop into FIP in them   So glad you have a vet 
that will work with you and my hopes are SO with little mo who really 
hasn't been given a fair shake until you guys came along.   Thanks 
for giving this deserving little guy a home EVEN if it's just for a 
brief while.


Bob


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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 22:14:02 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still 
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So sorry for what you are dealing with Bob??that is one thing the 
members here do get ? how important our babies are to us. I sincerely 
hope and pray the meds work for Jelly.


Ardy



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Of Amani Oakley

Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 4:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FeLV talk still active


Here is the exchange I have had with Bob.


Bob, I hope it is okay to post for you, since your emails haven?t gone 
through.



Amani


From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:bcha...@optonline.net] Sent: April-03-17 
5:19 PM

To: Amani Oakley
Subject: RE: FeLV talk still active


No word from the moderator and no mail from the list... this is REALLY 
strange and happening at a really bad time...


I am SO damn heartbroken I don't have words...   Jelly is MY Zander... 
a very special companion much more like a dog.  My shadow whenever I 
was home...  I am going to miss him SO damn much and I don't want him 
to suffer even a day  But... I don't want to just put him down 
while he has a little quality of life..


Won't take up any more time   I'm going to write to some of the 
other list members and see if they have been active


Bob


On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:

Robert


I am incredibly and deeply upset and saddened by your news. Do try the 
Doxy and Winstrol to see if there might be some change. With that high 
white cell count, there is some sort of a bacterial infection going 
on, as I mentioned in my last email. The Doxy is often effective when 
other antibiotics don?t work.



I haven?t received any postings from the FeLV group. I find it odd 
that it would just stop functioning. Have you tried writing to the 
moderator to see if there is some sort of problem?



Amani

From: ROBERT CHAPEL [mailto:bcha...@optonline.net] Sent: April-01-17 
1:31 PM

To: Amani Oakley
Subject: FeLV talk still active


Sorry to interrupt you Amani but I've written a few times to the FeLV 
list and not seen my mail appear nor have I gotten anything from the 
list in many days  Have you?  Do you know if it's still active.
My remaining cat ( and very special one) is definitely on his way out 
and I really liked having the support of the group during these times 
( most of my friends are " understanding " but don't really "get" how 
important a pet is to some of us.  I don't think I have much time 
left with him... 186000 WBC, a tumor near his lungs and he's not 
eating at all ( I have him on Pred, and Mirtazapine and when I pick 
him back up from the shelter today I'll start him on Doxy, and 
winstrol just in case it might help a bit   HCT dropped from 42 to 
20 in the past 5 weeks but don't have a reticulocyte reading as I only 
had 1000.00 to devote to the guy this month and the Xrays and other 
exams ate this up rapidly.

[Felvtalk] Bad News..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Hello All:
I'm going to make this somewhat brief as I've had my last two messages 
NOT post..nor had I received any group messages until about 5 minutes 
ago..
My remaining cat ( Magellin..  nee   Jelly )  who is my little love...  
much like Amani's Zander.  Stopped eating
a week and one half ago...  Hospitalized for two days and vet said very 
bad URI and possible lungworm
This was the vet the shelter uses and they often don't look to hard 
first time out to save the shelter $$...    Long Story short ( just as 
matters went with my other little guy) I had to spend the money anyway 
to get an accurate DX...    He has a tumor ( likely lymphoma) just 
forward of his heart... a WBC of 186000 and rapidly dropping HCT ( 5 
weeks earlier I had an extensive wellness exam on him and he was FINE... 
top of the chart HCT... just a couple of other glitches...
He really HATES being force fed and I don't know I am doing him any 
favors prolonging his life this way as it is not likely that he is going 
to begin to eat again on his own if it is the tumor and the Virus that 
are causing the
loss of appetite...OR making it difficult for him TO eat ( though he 
does seem to do OK with the Pica that alerted me to the fact that he 
might be anemic... he was eating cat litter and licking the cement 
powder off the laundry room floor)
I force fed him for a week in hopes that he might begin to eat again on 
his own  He's on Mirtazapine, Prednisolone, Winstrol and Doxy right 
now but It's literally killing me to have my little boy just unable to 
play or eat or enjoy being petted...   All the best of what we had is in 
abeyance    I don't want him to starve to death but if I keep him 
alive by force feeding him  I could just be setting him up for death by 
another means ( he is clearly having difficulty breathing...using 
accessory muscles...  only occassionally lying on his side 
comfortably).  He does not appear to be in abject pain so I am 
reluctant to put him down but it is SO trying for me particularly in he 
wake of losing my other little guy only a couple of months ago after 
nearly a year of trying to get him well..   And, once again, there 
is the damn matter of financial limitations.   If there were a "cure" 
and it cost me a few thousand I would spend the money.. but with a FeLV 
cat it is highly questionable if thousands spent could even guarantee a 
few more months  Currently I am force feeding him a few oz's a day 
of AD with a calorie supplement paste mixed in... Just enough to keep 
him from starving and giving him some fluid... just in case buying him a 
few extra days witnesses any kind of change for the positive with the 
meds he's getting.  I'm trying NOT to give in to putting him 
down now to save ME the heartache of watching another cat die over a 
matter of months...   Living alone and having no one  to talk to about 
this that shares my feelings for this guy and won't get VERY tired of 
hearing about it  makes it that much more difficult.  I'm getting 
VERY depressed and closure could at least leave me having only grief to 
deal with...which is, frankly, a LOT easier than the daily   " is he 
doing better"?  " maybe a miracle will occur"... or putting him on my 
chest only to have him be so uncomfortable there that he immediately 
leaves   That's the hardest part He's here physically but I no 
longer have MY Jelly...   Thanks for listening...   any suggestions 
welcome...

Bob
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Re: [Felvtalk] Food, Bad Jokes, Good Vets

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

First... my apologies to those who did not get IMMEDIATELY that I was 
joking about using a knife to remove Jelly's fluid  I thought it 
would be a foregone conclusion anyone  one who takes the time to BE in 
this forum would ever do such a thing be it from cruelty or monumental 
stupidity   Such are the drawbacks of email communication...minus 
facial cues and voice tone...  there are only words on a page.


Re  FOOD:  This is argued perpetually even among vets and animal 
nutritionists... There is the " raw only" camp the don't EVER let 
your cat touch grain camp... The ONLY wet food camp... the Use Multiple 
sources of protein camp( don't stay with the same food camp vs...stay 
with the same food camp)ad nauseum.. I am personally an 
excellent human example of how genetics influences health... I am a 
walking heart attack ( apart from my tendency to like exercise and keep 
somewhat active).. On a limited budget now...and ,even when I had money, 
so seldom home.. I have been eating " wrong" my entire life.. Meanwhile 
a recent Cardiac Vessel Calcium test found my vessels 100% clear ( MD 
says I'm good for 10 more years minimum)... 3 friends that have eaten 
"right" for decades have recently been Dx'd with heart issues... 
Unfair...yes... but fact.    *** The only thing I can somewhat control 
that concerns me a lot is making sure that my cats get enough fluid so I 
try to be sure that they ( he) get some wet food daily in addition to 
the water he drinks Don't know that it's a deal breaker but it makes 
ME feel better.
I also subscribe to keeping grains to a minimum since cats are obligate 
carnivores... I doubt that grains are going to kill them but why force 
their bodies to learn to digest something they were not constructed to 
utilize unless you really cannot afford better quality cat food... When 
my family had the most cats ( when I was young) there WERE no such 
specialty cat foods and I had a few VERY healthy cats ( all of them were 
indoor/outdoor kitties so some were taken before their time) who all ate 
the same garbage cat food ( puss'n boots from a can...later tender 
vittles.. and other high grain content foods) and lived to 20 years 
old...  In the shelter our cats are all fed the same diet 
initiallysome thrive... others develop diseases within months on 
Science Diet ( their non specialty mid range general cat food)... So... 
I buy the best food I can afford ( and that they will eat) and hope for 
the best... currently my boy ( formerly my boys) is on grain free 
Natural Balance Pea and Venison ( not cheap) and Friskies Pate in the 
evening ( my guy will NOT eat any of the high end canned food I offer 
him and I went through a year of spending LOTS of money trying 
everything so that my sick cat Yogi would eat wet food that had some 
medicine mixed in... Baby Food at 109.00 a night... chicken, pork etc... 
that I cooked myself) Neither would touch " quality" wet food...  Now my 
remaining guy LOVES friskies pate and I LOVE that it costs 50cents a 
can!!!... plus I toss him a bit of whatever meat I might be eating on 
those occassions that I eat meat at home. Point is... I don't think 
that diet( unless it's particularly horrible)  is going to make THE 
difference in a cats health and to not beat yourself up if you can't 
afford the BEST OF THE BEST... Most of the human population cannot 
afford to eat Doctor recommended diets unless they have fruit trees in 
their back yards and a year round vegetable garden... and if you also 
want to go organic...Hell...why not just buy a second house!!!
LAST on the listVets.   I really like the idea of posting the names 
and whereabouts of Vets that we are all pleased with but MUCH more 
interested in learning who the vets are that are willing to prescribe 
Winstrol...  I like my vet just fine but she's close minded about 
Winstrol and that concerns me no end...



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Re: [Felvtalk] Fluid in Airway

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Funny you should mention that Jen because I DID have several recordings 
last season when the problem was substantially worse... Of course I 
couldn't locate them when I brought him to the vet...but that is the 
best answer to my dilemna...  The Sound is definitely pronounced enough 
to record well... The other day I stuck a large knife in his side to see 
if the fluid would come out but all I got was blood.my bad... really 
did little to help the problem
( I AM JUST KIDDING FOLKS!..HONEST !  : ) Looks like I have 
some homework to do again on Airway issues in Kitties...



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Hello,
 What antibiotics seem to help FELV cats the most?Also, my Charlie 
seems to

respond well to Predisolone. Longterm ?
Thank you in advance
Blessings
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Bob,
Have you tried to record the sounds of his breathing to replay for a 
vet?
Suppose you told them about past episodes & effects of thorough 
cleaning?

Jen

On Mar 6, 2017 8:33 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL"  wrote:




Hello All:

My remaining boy ( Magellin aka  " Jelly " ) has some kind of fluid 
either

in his lungs or in his trachea... The oddest thing is that despite my
hearing it ALL the time ( and even frequently cupping him to get him 
to
cough and clear it a bit) 2 Vets have failed to hear it ( and... in 
fact...
it seems to disappear when I've taken him somewhere to "show" them 
what I'm
talking about)... possibly adrenaline from being anxious about being 
in the
car and a new environment dries it up temporarily.. just like we get 
dry
mouths when we are scared??  It concerns me even though it's not 
currently
causing him a lot of distress it's just very disconcerting when I 
hear
him gurgling as he eats his dinner or as he sleeps because I simply 
don't
know what it is and if there is something I should be addressing 
before it
gets worse...   When I first got him he appeared to have an asthma 
like

condition with multiple attacks of a kind of " hacking"  each day
Interestingly that was last March as well ( when I first got him 
almost
to the day today. along his little but older "brother" who lasted 
just
under a year with me despite many many trips to vets and multiple 
meds
nearly the entire time I had him  I call him little because he 
failed
to thrive from the  get go...a poster cat for bad FeLV)   I still 
feel his
loss and I will be devastated if I were to lose this guy over 
something I
could have done something about.   The asthma like condition went 
away
after I gave the rugs a thorough cleaning, moved all the furniture 
away
from the walls and vacuumed and cleaned... got rid of as much dust as 
I
could I did so many damn things I'd be hard pressed to know which 
( if
any) were the most useful...could have been simply that when I was 
finally
able to open the windows THAT did it...   All that said just 
wondering
if anyone has had such symptoms with a cat ( sounds like one of us 
might
sound after a bad chest cold just as the mucuus is loosening up... 
but
instead of getting better it simply stays at the same level 
Anyone
have experience with using nebulizers with cats ( and yes I've done 
the
bathroom shower thing...  thats a bit wasteful)I'm 
actually
wondering about these new " Vape things... ie... if I were to add a 
small
dose of medication to it  they produce a HUGE amount of vapor and 
could
be a LOT cheaper than a nebulizer.  Wondering also if anyone has 
ever
given a cat a small dose of a mucolytic medication with what 
result.???
Ultimately I'll do a chest Xray but... these ar

Re: [Felvtalk] Fluid in Lungs or Airway...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Hello All:

My remaining boy ( Magellin aka  " Jelly " ) has some kind of fluid 
either in his lungs or in his trachea... The oddest thing is that 
despite my hearing it ALL the time ( and even frequently cupping him to 
get him to cough and clear it a bit) 2 Vets have failed to hear it ( 
and... in fact... it seems to disappear when I've taken him somewhere to 
"show" them what I'm talking about)... possibly adrenaline from being 
anxious about being in the car and a new environment dries it up 
temporarily.. just like we get dry mouths when we are scared??  It 
concerns me even though it's not currently causing him a lot of 
distress it's just very disconcerting when I hear him gurgling as he 
eats his dinner or as he sleeps because I simply don't know what it is 
and if there is something I should be addressing before it gets 
worse...   When I first got him he appeared to have an asthma like 
condition with multiple attacks of a kind of " hacking"  each day  
Interestingly that was last March as well ( when I first got him 
almost to the day today. along his little but older "brother" who 
lasted just under a year with me despite many many trips to vets and 
multiple meds nearly the entire time I had him  I call him little 
because he failed to thrive from the  get go...a poster cat for bad 
FeLV)   I still feel his loss and I will be devastated if I were to lose 
this guy over something I could have done something about.   The 
asthma like condition went away after I gave the rugs a thorough 
cleaning, moved all the furniture away from the walls and vacuumed and 
cleaned... got rid of as much dust as I could I did so many damn 
things I'd be hard pressed to know which ( if any) were the most 
useful...could have been simply that when I was finally able to open the 
windows THAT did it...   All that said just wondering if anyone has 
had such symptoms with a cat ( sounds like one of us might sound after a 
bad chest cold just as the mucuus is loosening up... but instead of 
getting better it simply stays at the same level    Anyone have 
experience with using nebulizers with cats ( and yes I've done the 
bathroom shower thing...  thats a bit wasteful)    I'm actually 
wondering about these new " Vape things... ie... if I were to add a 
small dose of medication to it  they produce a HUGE amount of vapor 
and could be a LOT cheaper than a nebulizer.  Wondering also if 
anyone has ever given a cat a small dose of a mucolytic medication with 
what result.??? Ultimately I'll do a chest Xray but... these are 
rather pricey and it's spring "wedding" time now  another cash 
outlay Though I won't hold off if it gets worse... I've just been 
home a LOT lately and have been hearing it all day long many days
The little guy is still playful , energetic, eats well ,poops and pees 
normally and is his same ultra sociable self... I just don't want to 
ignore something I really should possible be paying more attention 
to.


thanks for any suggestions and experience...

Bob

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[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I'd be very careful about not spaying a FeLV positive cat...  I'm 
curious about this assertion that all have died within a week??  If that 
were a general outcome I think more of us would have heard about it ( we 
have spayed and neutered 10 cats at the shelter where I volunteer in the 
last year and none have diedlikewise with innoculations)   I 
wanted my boy to have his rabies Vaccination because he periodically 
catches mice that manage to find their way into my second floor condo 
AND because it is illegal to not do so in NYS ( some vets will refuse to 
see cats that have not had rabies vaccination)...  I held off on the 
PanLeuk booster... Instead did a Titre ( 111.00 for the Titre  would 
have been a LOT cheaper to vaccinate)... but vet now says he's good for 
at least 3 years...
I really don't like the idea of not spaying or neutering FeLV cats...  
one unfortunate unintended pregnancy could add several positive unwanted 
kittens to the population and that would be just too sad  Life is so 
seldom happy for FeLV kitties. our cats are the exception rather 
than the rule...


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The first thing I do when a new cat comes to me is spay or neuter, 
especially a male, makes him less agressive and cuts down on spraying. 
If he does spry, Jackson Galaxy has a product that really works!  I 
use it for urine, vomit and it really newutralizews the odor.  First 
though, I do not want to be responsible for unwanted kittens so I 
spay/neuter.  At first, for a few years, everyone else gets vaccine 
for FELV.  Especially after the cat is at least 4 or 5 years, they do 
not seem to pass it on to others.  I have had as many as 10 cats in 
the house and no transmission of the disease.  Maybe I have been 
lucky.  Annie still shows positive, but she is 9 years and no one else 
has become positive.


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Are you suggesting giving the vaccine to a cat (in my case 1.5) that 
has tested positive but no outward signs of the virus ?  I too haven't 
spayed her as my vet suggests that every cat she has spayed/neutered 
that was positive died within a week. I made the decision based on 
that to not spay so as not risk that. The vet has also recommended no 
vaccines as they are live virus and because of the positive testing 
recommended not providing any of those.

Marlene
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The first thing I do when a new cat comes to me is spay or neuter, 
especially a male, makes him less agressive and cuts down on 
spraying.  If he does spry, Jackson Galaxy has a product that really 
works!  I use it for urine, vomit and it really newutralizews the 
odor.  First though, I do not want to be responsible for unwanted 
kittens so I spay/neuter.  At first, for a few years, everyone else 
gets vaccine for FELV.  Especially after the cat is at least 4 or 5 
years, they do not seem to pass it on to others.  I have had as many 
as 10 cats in the house and no transmission of the disease.  Maybe I 
have been lucky.  Annie still shows positive, but she is 9 years and 
no one else has become positive.


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Jenny...
Are you thinking of bringing him to a shelter??...  If I were you I 
would research FeLV rescues/Sanctuaries.  Depending upon in what part of 
the country you reside you_ might_ be able to work something out.  I 
realize how difficult/frustrating it can be caring for an animal that is 
both needful and uncooperative  If memory serves... this is the 
little boy that you have reservations about integrating with your other 
cats??    If this is the one , I believe, our general feeling was 
that you would be better off ( rather than going the frustrating route 
of isolating him from all the others) to innoculate the others ( if they 
are adult) and integrating him  But... if that makes you 
uncomfortable and the current arrangement is not working for you... 
looking for alternative arrangements might be the next step



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Alright-  Figaro just pee'd on my bed right- next to me- after I 
cleaned
box (and then his paws because he made loose poop & got litter ETC on 
the
bed) caught him in the act. He hasn't been neutered yet. I threw my 
bedding
into washer, sprayed bed with "Nature's Miracle- No Spray" & resolved 
I am

NOT remaking bed...
I can hear him crying, like he does when I AM there trying to go to 
sleep.

Overnight is the biggest lump of time I can be with him so he isn't
COMPLETELY isolated, alone I hate this.
Do I just go to bed now upstairs, or TRY to lay in a dry spot with new
blankets?
='~{

On Mar 1, 2017 4:26 PM,  wrote:


AMEN TO THAT!  I especially get angry that they do not consider
alternative medicine a viable tratment.  Unless I get a broken arm, I 
first
try alternative meds.  I have not had a flu shot for over 8 years and 
have
not had a cold or flu.  I use ginger, turmeric, garlic, onion, 
cinnamon as
my anti flu meds.  I just wish we knew more about animals (cats) and 
herbs,

which is safe or not safe to use.  Then when something comes up on a
weekend/holiday and I cannot et my cat to the vet, I would be able to 
start

treatment  until I can get to a vet.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:

Amani...


If we consider the extended time frame for Doxy and multiple courses 
of

other ABX it makes a certain "intuitive" sense that a non bacterial
infection is going to require a longer period of time to have 
whatever

non-specific ( read... not related to bacterial infection
necessarily)...  So little research money appears to be devoted to 
FeLV

that I don't know that we'll know in the next decade unless the
continuing demands of consumers ( who do NOT want to hear , in this 
day

and age of " Miracles") that there is _ no hope_ for their much loved
pets) alter this course.I STILL bristle when I think of the 
closed

minds in the medical and Veterinary community and SO resent that
businessmen( Yes...that is what the vast majority are turning into 
now
that practices are being forced to consolidate into " Health 
Systems")..

hold the power of life and death over us AND our pets.   On the plus
side with the business model being what it is ( and in contrast 
to
the lost art of " professionalism")  The CONSUMER is always right. 
Vets

will be forced, in the future, to work more closely with the "
customers" wishes as attachment to a given vet will become less 
common
as time goes on and people will " practice shop " for the answers 
they
want until such time as Vet services become so expensive that 
insurance

becomes a " must have " and ultimately go the way of medicine (
ie...being confined to a slate of approved practitioners...
againlimiting choice)...  But... there are some years to go 
before
that happens and I feel that there IS a window of opportunity 
happening
NOW and for the next few  years for people to have some real 
influence
on how Vets practi

Re: [Felvtalk] RNA effects of Doxy

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thanks Amani... this is very helpful and I will do my best to locate 
these references... preferably the full articles if they don't charge 
too much for them ( I no longer work in hospitals and don't have access 
to full medical databases ( for free)...


VERY interesting about the ebola virus and the eyes it does indeed 
appear that the virus established a foothold in Yogi's eyes   BUT... 
it was also via the eyes that I was able to introduce antiviral meds 
that my Veterinary opthalmologist was using off label.  Of course 
the target for these meds was the Herpes Virusbut it too ,is,  a 
retro Virus and these meds "might" have had some effect on the FeLV 
virus as well
had I used them for a longer time ( though I would have had to have sold 
my house to do so : )
You can find ALL sorts of aid for these Anti Virals if you are using 
them for HIV or Herpes 1 or 2 but they are hard to locate at discount 
for Veterinary Use.  I really am VERY concerned at the price of Vet 
services as I feel they will ultimately reduce the number of pet 
owners.  I was able to easily afford to keep 4 cats on a rather low 
Social Worker income back in the 80's but keeping one ill FeLV in 2017 
can easily add 400.00 a month to ones expenses  Many people who 
might formerly have adopted multiple cats will now only take in one or  
two.  All the more reason for forums like ours as it is up to us to 
share our knowledge and experiences to help each other avoid total 
reliance on a veterinary system that is not always working to preserve 
our FeLV cats lives.    




Hi Bob

I am unable to attach the literature regarding the ability of 
Doxycycline to interfere with RNA replication and/or interfere with 
viral infection, but here are a few titles to look up on the Internet:


- Antiviral activity of doxycycline against vesicular stomatitis virus 
in vitro - FEMS Microbiol Lett. 2015


- Control of small inhibitory RNA levels and RNA interference by 
doxycycline induced activation of a minimal RNA polymerase III 
promoter - 2006 Nucleic Acids Res. 34


- Inhibitory effect of doxycycline against dengue virus replication in 
vitro - October 2013 Archives of Virology 159(4)
- Study of the antiviral activity of some derivatives of tetracycline 
and non-steroid anti-inflammatory drugs towards dengue virus - August 
2013 Tropical Biomedicine 30(4):1-10   (BY THE WAY - DOXYCYCLINE IS A 
TETRACYCLINE)


- A study of the clinical activity of a gel combining monocaprin and 
doxycycline: a novel treatment for herpes labialis. (2012) J Oral Path 
Med 41:61-67




The following paper was interesting in that it explored the role of 
Doxycycline in inhibiting tumour cell proliferation, angiogenesis, 
metastasis and migration of cancerous cells (including leukemic cells) 
from the bone marrow:


- Doxycycline inhibits leukemic cell migration via inhibition of 
matrix metalloproteinases and phosphorylation of focal adhesion kinase 
- published Molecular Medicine Reports, September 2015 Vol. 12, Issue 
3.



Amani

P.S. - By the way, Bob. The other thing that was featured in that show 
last night about the fight against Ebola, is that the same doctor who 
contracted it and was declared symptom-free, later began to develop 
eye problems and when they examined his eye, they found millions of 
the Ebola viruses in the eye. The programme explained that the eye was 
an area of reduced immunity in the body, and thus, the virus had found 
a breeding ground where it remained, though it had been cleared from 
the rest of the body. They therefore began treating the doctor's eye, 
and the treatment was ultimately successful. It brought to mind the 
problems Yogi had had with his eyes, and I wondered if the answer was 
similar - that the virus had had a toe-hold there.



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Amani...

If we consider the extended time frame for Doxy and multiple courses 
of other ABX it makes a certain "intuitive" sense that a non bacterial 
infection is going to require a longer period of time to have whatever 
non-specific ( read... not related to bacterial infection 
necessarily)...? So little research money appears to be devoted to 
FeLV that I don't know that we'll know in the next decade unless the 
continuing demands of consumers ( who do NOT want to hear , in this 
day and age of " Miracles") that there is _ no hope_ for their much 
loved
pets) alter this course.??? I STILL bristle when I think of the closed 
minds in the medical and Veterinary community and SO resent that 
businessmen( Yes...that is what the vast majority are turning into now 
that practices are being forced to consolidate into " Health 
Systems").. hol

Re: [Felvtalk] Knowing the " whys" of Win/Pred/Doxy

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Amani...

If we consider the extended time frame for Doxy and multiple courses of 
other ABX it makes a certain "intuitive" sense that a non bacterial 
infection is going to require a longer period of time to have whatever 
non-specific ( read... not related to bacterial infection 
necessarily)...  So little research money appears to be devoted to FeLV 
that I don't know that we'll know in the next decade unless the 
continuing demands of consumers ( who do NOT want to hear , in this day 
and age of " Miracles") that there is _ no hope_ for their much loved 
pets) alter this course.    I STILL bristle when I think of the closed 
minds in the medical and Veterinary community and SO resent that 
businessmen( Yes...that is what the vast majority are turning into now 
that practices are being forced to consolidate into " Health Systems").. 
hold the power of life and death over us AND our pets.   On the plus 
side with the business model being what it is ( and in contrast to 
the lost art of " professionalism")  The CONSUMER is always right.  Vets 
will be forced, in the future, to work more closely with the " 
customers" wishes as attachment to a given vet will become less common 
as time goes on and people will " practice shop " for the answers they 
want until such time as Vet services become so expensive that insurance 
becomes a " must have " and ultimately go the way of medicine ( 
ie...being confined to a slate of approved practitioners... 
againlimiting choice)...  But... there are some years to go before 
that happens and I feel that there IS a window of opportunity happening 
NOW and for the next few  years for people to have some real influence 
on how Vets practice   I am betting, for example, that had I had the 
money to go to a more " well to do " neighborhood where people are more 
demanding and better informed I could have found a vet to cooperate...  
Here in the "sticks" people just blindly accept what the vet has to say 
and they still enjoy the freedom of calling all the shots.   This 
WILL end over the next couple of years.  I learned a lot with this first 
experience and made mistakes that I WILL NOT make again.


BTW  Do you have any literature in support of the AntiRNA effects of 
Doxy... I am SO happy that there are still a couple of things out 
there that we still can get our hands on that don't have to pass muster 
with script pad businessmen  STILL I am also not advocating the the 
medically ill prepared take it upon themselves to decide that THEY will 
decide what is best for their animal... If we are going to go above and 
beyond our Vets advice it would best be with very sound reasoning and an 
EXCELLENT understanding of what we are doing and why.   Anything less 
and the community of Veterinary practitioners could easily dismiss our 
successes as "dumb luck" or ascribe them to " unknown" factors.  I 
think this is particularly important re: Winstrol/Pred/Doxy   I'd hate 
to see people going to their vets asking for this combination of drugs 
and really having an inadequate understanding of why they are asking for 
beyond the fact that it's been recommended on our forum...    For 
myself... I am clear on the Whys of Winstrol and Doxy ( though will be 
looking for more lit support on the RNA effects of Doxy) but not clear 
on the whys of the Pred.
Sorry for taking up so much space here but I'm having an " attack " of 
missing my little guy and am tremulous about being caught in the same 
position if I take in another FeLV as I am inclined to do






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Whatever you are most comfortable Katherine is the choice you should 
make... I have NO idea how uncomfortable it would be for your guy to 
remain alive throughout the process...    I'm a bad judge of such things 
as I am WAY over the top in my inability to watch an animal fail   
When my last little guy was failing I had to Willfully stop from putting 
him down becuse _ I_ couldn't stand the pain of what was eventually 
coming  If he is able to live without apparent discomfort and life 
does not appear a burden to him then by all means... go with 
palliative..   I know too little about cancer treatment for cats to 
advise in another other direction


Bob


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My sweet, dear 14 yo FeLV boy Krammer was just diagnosed with 
aggressive
nasal carcinoma. For the last 2 months, he has had a chronic 
nosebleed. It

started out small around Christmas, and since then his symptoms have
included daily sneezing fits, bloody nasal discharge from one side of 
his

nose, and the recent appearance of a small pink mass in one of
his nostrils which we thought was simply a polyp. We biopsied it last 
week,
and the results were not good. His mitotic indexes were high, with 
8-10 of

them being in the 10 fields.

Needless to say I'm devastated. It's hard to take, even when I've 
spent the
last 3 years half expecting something terrible every time we go to the 
vet.
:'( I'm talking to the vet later today for more information. My guess 
is
we'll opt for palliative care rather than radiation or chemotherapy, 
due to
his age, side effects, the rate of recurrence and my available 
finances,

but if anyone has suggestions, I'm happy to hear them out.

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Molly...

I will leave it to Amani to counsel re: protocol...  but the short 
answer re: Doxy and pred is No... not the usual course of Treatment...


Of primary importance ( and this cannot be overstated) is to have your 
vet onboard with you and to have he financial means to implement the 
treatment without having to cut corners.  I'll never know if I could 
have saved MY little guy had I had a cooperative vet and sufficient 
funds to secure everything I needed in a timely fashion.   I'm 
hesitant even to get another FeLV cat to be company for my still very 
active other FeLV buddy because I will have to Foster this time and the 
shelter is not on board either with Amani's protocol ( which means I 
would have to stand helplessly by and watch another cat fade unless I 
spent money I don't have going against their wishes..   Difficult 
decisions.    You'll never know if the regimen can help if you wait too 
long to implement it.  I've been on this list long enough now to see 
a few cats helped quite a bit by the Win/Doxy/Pred combination and think 
it would make more sense to try
THAT first rather than wasting time with the other treatments that 
appear to have a less impressive effect...


Again my opinion...   and not an expert one

You write as someone who has some medical experience or at least a grasp 
of medical protocols.. so I imagine you can make an informed 
decision.   Hopeful that Win/Doxy/Pred can stop things FROM 
happening in instances that the worst has not yet begun


Hoping for the best...

Bob


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 Thank you all for the information for my Mia kitty. I have a few more 
questions for Amani concerning Zander's Protocol: doxycycline -?Should 
a calculated dose be used?based on weight of animal for this or is 
the?dose that you give apply to all cats. Mia is a?small girl -?weighs 
7 lbs. Also, how long should she be taking the meds. Is it the normal 
7-10 days to 2 weeks antibiotic?regimen or longer?Prednisolone - I 
assume this is the normal protocol for this drug - a loading dose with 
tapering doses.winstrol - looks like this is taken until the 
hematocrit reaches?near normal range. Then, should this be continued 
to maintain a normal level forever?
Thank you all again. I am grateful for your intelligent feedback and 
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Don't let it lapse Margo... Just click on the Confirmation page...
Something screwy is clearly happening with the email system and the 
computer just wants
to know that your email address is correct  Would really like to 
have you remain on the list


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From: Margo To: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org,
"felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] confirm
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This is getting annoying. I usually just delete things that come thru 
looking like this. Next time I will probably just let it lapse


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Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 10:43:27 -0600
From: To: Margo , felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] confirm
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I am feeling left out, never have gotten one of thee mesages.  Oh 
well, the old saying of let sleeping dogs lie should apply here.


 Margo  wrote:


This is getting annoying. I usually just delete things that come thru 
looking like this. Next time I will probably just let it lapse


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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Sanctuaries..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Jennifer...

You had inquired about rescues and sancuaries and I couldn't recall too 
many the other day... I've added a few below this is hardly a 
comprehensive list  Every time you do a search different ones will 
come up...  and it also depends on the search engine..


Meanwhile here are a couple of the places that I located along the 
way.   I can't vouch for how helpful they would be to you but... 
it's a start if you care to follow up.   Thought I also saw a note 
from you ON the Merrimack River Rescue Site???...



Unfortuneately I'm going to have to give them to you my name rather than 
as links because I've tried numerous times to send links and my mailers 
content scanner is picking up " spam "   I don't know which of the 
sites below is regarded as spam ( I didn't get any warning about going 
to any of the sites initially_ so I am flumoxed ..



The first is a place called Second chance rescue in the State of 
Washington...  You'll have to google it because ( as I mentioned 
above...if I format it as a URL the mail might again bounce...   Another 
is _ pawsativekarmarescue... they are in texas and sound like a very 
small operation may not still exist as last information was from 
@2013


Another is the Felineleukemiacarecenter... they are based in 
Minnesota they at least mention that they charge a surrender fee... 
 Unable to say if they are of any quality or not ALL must be checked 
out thoroughly before sending an animal to them if you want to be sure 
of it's safety...



Then there is the bestfriends sanctuary in Utah They are a very 
large operation that has been around quite a few years and provide a 
home to many hundreds of animals ( per their website and other info I 
have seen_ They put out a good blog and their site is also a good source 
of general information...



The last two are worth checking out as well.   
 Loveandhopeforanimals ( another well funded operation in Upstate New 
York and  Aslanscats also in the Northeast






http://loveandhopeforanimals.org( a well funded sanctuary in Northern 
New York State...definitely worth a look if you are not too far away...


Thanks for your kindness to this little guy if it weren't for people 
like you and our other group members a LOT more cats would be living 
MUCH more difficult lives.


Have to get going I volunteer at my Local Shelter and try to get 
there for a few hours on Sundays.Again.  I'd keep the boy if 
you possibly can...  maybe work out an arrangement with you local 
shelter ( if they are a no kill) to help with Vet bills if he turns out 
to be a sick guy ( I adopted two FeLV cats...one cost me dearly 
financially as he was sick from the get gothe other guy is going to 
the vet for the first time tomorrow ( apart from being looked at by the 
shelter vet a few times. I want him to have baseline bloodwork and a 
good physical , fecal and his 1 year Rabies ( I'm still in a quandry 
about doing or not doing the Rabies but some vet practices will not 
see cats UNLESS they've been innoculated...



Best,
Bob



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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Sanctuaries..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Jennifer...

A few days back you had inquired about FeLV rescues and 
sanctuaries   When I got my FeLV boys I searched the Web for just 
such resources...not to transfer them but to be prepared with places 
they might go in the even something happened to me AND , specifically, 
to call them and ask their advice about how to care for my boys ( this 
was before I found this list)... I wanted to talk to people who spent a 
lot of time with multiple FeLV cats   Found that some folks were 
just nice folks that were providing homes and other were pretty well 
funded and set up with good PR...active boards and had a decent track 
record of adoption   I'm very sorry that I don't have the contacts 
right now  I put them on my PC somewhere and now don't know 
precisely where but... a couple of google searches with FeLV Rescue FeLV 
SanctuaryFelV adoption as the search terms and you will turn up 
quite a few   Off hand I recall
Blind Cat Rescue and Merrimack River ( in Mass) as two 
possibilities  The name's Aslan and Seer Farms also stick in my 
mind but I can't be more specific than that at the moment   FEW 
I imagine are going to immediately welcome new additions but it's always 
been my experience that if you get to know people at one placethey 
know people at another placeetc...etc and sooner or later you hit on 
someone that can offer assistance..   BTW  I'm absolutely with 
Amani on this one.    If your other cats are no longer kittens...( 
say 1.5 years and up) I'd vaccinate them and let your other little love 
join them  I have yet to hear of FeLV being passed from Kitten to 
Adult   I'd worry a LOT in reverse and would not put a very young 
negative cat in with FeLV positive adults.. But..as always...it's what 
YOU are comfortable with.   I just know that some cats really do a 
LOT better with company... my remaining boy ( I lost one of my guys just 
a short while ago after a brief life of constant illness) is VERY 
affiliative and I ended up adopting him BECAUSE I could see that he was 
dying to be with company Other cats... not so much... Your guy sound 
much like my own remaining guy and I'd really be inclined to let him 
have he company.


Bob


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I'm new   =~}

On Feb 10, 2017 7:50 AM, "Rebecca Pruett" wrote:


I am .


On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 8:36 AM Katherine K.  wrote:


I'm not a new member. Been on here for about 4 years.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 11:51 PM,  wrote:

Are you all new members?  I never get your emails except in "trash". 
How
do I get these people coming to my inbox?  I know I must have missed 
a few

emails because of this.

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From: Jennifer Olson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, Margo Subject: 
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MN.  Right now I'm about to switch from oral ivermectin to Feline 
Advantage

Multi.
His fur appears to be growing back, and he must be scratching less 
because
nearly all of the scabs/ bumps are gone- BUT it would be nice to 
destroy

the mites FASTER, & without the nasty tasting oral.
Your thoughts?
Jen

On Feb 9, 2017 4:42 PM, "Margo"  wrote:


Hi Jennifer,

Thank you for taking 

Re: [Felvtalk] embarassed..re: FeLV

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Roxanne
Perhaps I missed something along the way... another email perhaps??   
I'm not sure if I understand your question...  Why would you have 
concerns about letting people know you have FeLV catsand moreover 
why would you feel somehow badly that you are NOT embarassed.  I've 
never noted any discrimination on the part of other cat owners against 
people with FeLV cats  The question took me so offguard that I feel 
I MUST have missed something along the way ( eg... you run a pet care 
business or something similiar   ?? Apart from anything like 
that I don't see the downside ( even potentially) of letting people know 
that you are kind enough to look after animals that have special 
needs...



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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 01:53:37 +
From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
[Felvtalk] Nasal polyp

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I?ve experienced nose issues in two cats, but in both, the problems 
were serious (one cancerous and one some sort of abscess which 
eventually impinged on the brain, causing a coma). Sounds like yours 
isn?t serious, which is a good thing. But, yeah, I?ve had to deal with 
blood all over the place as well.


Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Katherine K.

Sent: February-09-17 4:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Nasal polyp

Anyone here ever dealt with a nasal polyp?

My 15 yo FeLV cat started having a chronic bloody nose (in one nostril 
only) about 6 weeks ago. We did a shot of Convenia, then tried 2 weeks 
of azithromycin antibiotics. Didn't help.


I took him in for a follow up yesterday and upon closer inspection we 
discovered a polyp visible just on the inside of his nostril. It was 
too small to remove with tweezers, so the vet prescribed another round 
of azithromycin to kep infection at bay, and suggested we wait a month 
or 3 for it to grow bigger so we can remove it.


I'm just glad it's not cancerous, but the poor guy has sneezing fits 
daily, wakes up with dried blood crusted around his nostril each 
morning, and I'm wiping bloody specks off my floors and walls (from 
the sneezes. Looks like a mini crime scene in my house :-P)


Curious if anyone else has had to help cats with nose polyps.

Thanks,
Katherine
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Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 22:35:11 -0600
From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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I just had a slight cold issue and it seemed Annie always got in my 
face when she sneezed.  I took her to the vet first day since she is 
positive (age 8 going on 9) and felv issues usually start with upper 
respiratory.  She got a shot and I brought home some antibiotics to 
give her. She seems to be getting better.  I have been sofortunate 
with her that this is her only illnes.


 Amani Oakley  wrote:
I?ve experienced nose issues in two cats, but in both, the problems 
were serious (one cancerous and one some sort of abscess which 
eventually impinged on the brain, causing a coma). Sounds like yours 
isn?t serious, which is a good thing. But, yeah, I?ve had to deal 
with blood all over the place as well.


Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Katherine K.

Sent: February-09-17 4:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Nasal polyp

Anyone here ever dealt with a nasal polyp?

My 15 yo FeLV cat started having a chronic bloody nose (in one 
nostril only) about 6 weeks ago. We did a shot of Convenia, then 
tried 2 weeks of azithromycin antibiotics. Didn't help.


I took him in for a follow up yesterday and upon closer inspection we 
discovered a polyp visible just on the inside of his nostril. It was 
too small to remove with tweezers, so 

Re: [Felvtalk] Being Dropped..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Listserve Technology is rather hard to decipher without a Help file... 
and I never noticed one for this group when I joined ( has anyone ever 
received such)... eg.. differences between Reply and Reply all ( I note 
that if I use reply it STILL goes to everyone but if  REPLY all.. I see 
the message listed twice... 
I also frequently see " HTML attachment " scrubbed" instead of a 
response from someone ( his happened with Kat's reply  no 
text...just HTML attachment scrubbed.    When I first started to use the 
Internet _ many_ years ago when it was purely text based.. Listserves 
were the only form of group communication and people who joined got a , 
ridiculously long,hard to understand, but ultimately helpful file that 
told you how to negotiate the list  Perhaps we have such a thing for 
this group??  Anyone notice??    I doubt the list maintainer has any 
personal interest in dropping anyone...more likely it is an auto 
response.


Bob


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Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 17:56:13 -0500
From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Being dropped
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I am continually (every few weeks) being treatened with having my
membership disabled/dropped, whatever. However I never received any
of these any of these "bounces" from my ISP that I am accused of!


Due to having been in a serious automobile accident..My car hit a
patch of black ice and went over a hill and hit two trees, I was not
able to respond to the recent threat from this FelV group.  I do not
think it is fair to dump me beause I was not able to respond within 3
days!  I enjoy this group and consider myself a valuable member.


James,  Please reconsider If not then goodbye to everyone 
here.

Lorrie




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Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 20:22:04 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: Margo To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being dropped
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But if you're responding, have you been dropped? I got the same notice 
a few days back, and I hadn't been "notified" of anything bouncing, 
either.
I guess I just thought it was an automatic thing and not under 
anyone's control. I didn't notice a time limit, but I just replied 
without really paying attention.


I hope you stay, you would be missed...

Margo





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From: Lorrie Sent: Feb 2, 2017 5:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: owner-felvt...@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Being dropped

I am continually (every few weeks) being treatened with having my
membership disabled/dropped, whatever. However I never received any
of these any of these "bounces" from my ISP that I am accused of!


Due to having been in a serious automobile accident..My car hit a
patch of black ice and went over a hill and hit two trees, I was not
able to respond to the recent threat from this FelV group.  I do not
think it is fair to dump me beause I was not able to respond within 3
days!  I enjoy this group and consider myself a valuable member.


James,  Please reconsider If not then goodbye to everyone 
here.

Lorrie


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Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 20:17:22 -0600
From: To: Margo , felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being dropped
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Never got his notice.
 Margo  wrote:



But if you're responding, have you been dropped? I got the same 
notice a few days back, and I hadn't been "notified" of anything 
bouncing, either.
I guess I just thought it was an automatic thing and not under 
anyone's control. I didn't notice a time limit, but I just replied 
without really paying attention.


I 

Re: [Felvtalk] Yogi..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thank you all for your kind words... I guess when it comes to FeLV ( and 
more than likely all cats and most creatures small, medium and large)... 
we're all preaching to the choir...   I know all of you would feel very 
much the same as I and that I would offer similar words of condolence 
and encouragement (not that it isn't still nice and very much 
appreciated)    I've watched many of you put heroic effort into saving 
your Buddies and still others save every stray that ever meandered up to 
their door.  It's heartwarming and so encouraging to know that all of 
you are out there doing what you can for these sweet creatures( and some 
perhaps not so sweet..but in need none the less : ) ..  If more 
people were like all the caring people on this forum there would BE no 
homeless animals and shelters would merely be a very temporary stopover 
and, perhaps, a convenient place to pick up one or two extra cats if 
none happened to take up residence on your stoop that week... But..  If 
wishes were horses then beggars would ride...


thank you all...
Bob


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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:07:56 -0600
From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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I am so sorry that he passed, but glad that he was in his bed, with 
you at his side.  Maybe he did not have long  but his time with you 
was a time filled with love.  Yes, it will take some time to get over 
this hurt, but as you say, you will be able to give another FELV cat 
love.  You will always have memories.


---- ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
Over the months some of you might recall my little guy Yogi for whom 
I
had asked advice ( mostly about his eyes) on several occassions and 
most recently for suggestions related to making money to be able to 
keep treating him..
Well my little Yogi passed away in my arms on Sunday morningHe had 
started to go downhill a few weeks ago when his HCT dropped over a few 
weeks to 14?? I did manage to get my hands on some Winstrol thanks 
to the efforts of others on this forum to whom I am eternally grateful 
but he faded too fast for it to have adequate effect ( or he simply 
was not one of the cats that was going to respond to it)
He got to pass peacefully at home on the bed that he knew so well and 
with the hand of the guy that loved him and worked to keep him alive 
all these months stroking him..? I had actually made arrangements to 
put him down later that day after seeing the condition he was in that 
morning.? I'm SO glad I didn't have to keep that appointment.
It's been a tough go...?? The little guy never really knew more than a 
few months of health.
There was , honestly, nothing really remarkable about him ...just a 
ratty little skinny thing with one clouded over eye but he was a 
sweet gentle little soul that never so much as? attempted to scratch 
me despite all the things I had to put him through to keep him 
alive There was almost nothing left of him at the end ( started 
with him at 6 months old and 7.5 lbs and progressively over a year 
lost 3 lbs ( about 40% of his body weight .  I probably would have put 
him down on at least 3 occassions if it wasn't for all the good advice 
and suggestions I got from all of you that helped me press on .
So now I go from hurting every day watching him go downhill to the one 
big hurt of losing him  it will pass in a bit of time( though 
certainly not today!) and it gives me the opportunity to give a home 
to another FeLV Cat that would have spent it's life in a cage.. 
and to give a playmate to my still healthy guy who is still very much 
a Kitten in his actions and DYING to have someone to play with...this 
time I will FOSTER so that I don't go broke with cat care if the next 
little guy/girl starts to go south well ahead of time...
Thanks to? all of you for being there for FeLV cats...? You all are 
the one bit of luck the kitties who have come under your care have 
had

Re: [Felvtalk] Yogi's Passing

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Over the months some of you might recall my little guy Yogi for whom I 
had asked advice ( mostly about his eyes) on several occassions and most 
recently for suggestions related to making money to be able to keep 
treating him..
Well my little Yogi passed away in my arms on Sunday morningHe had 
started to go downhill a few weeks ago when his HCT dropped over a few 
weeks to 14   I did manage to get my hands on some Winstrol thanks 
to the efforts of others on this forum to whom I am eternally grateful 
but he faded too fast for it to have adequate effect ( or he simply was 
not one of the cats that was going to respond to it)
He got to pass peacefully at home on the bed that he knew so well and 
with the hand of the guy that loved him and worked to keep him alive all 
these months stroking him..  I had actually made arrangements to put him 
down later that day after seeing the condition he was in that morning.  
I'm SO glad I didn't have to keep that appointment.
It's been a tough go...   The little guy never really knew more than a 
few months of health.
There was , honestly, nothing really remarkable about him ...just a 
ratty little skinny thing with one clouded over eye but he was a 
sweet gentle little soul that never so much as  attempted to scratch me 
despite all the things I had to put him through to keep him alive 
There was almost nothing left of him at the end ( started with him at 6 
months old and 7.5 lbs and progressively over a year lost 3 lbs ( about 
40% of his body weight .  I probably would have put him down on at least 
3 occassions if it wasn't for all the good advice and suggestions I got 
from all of you that helped me press on .
So now I go from hurting every day watching him go downhill to the one 
big hurt of losing him  it will pass in a bit of time( though 
certainly not today!) and it gives me the opportunity to give a home to 
another FeLV Cat that would have spent it's life in a cage.. and to 
give a playmate to my still healthy guy who is still very much a Kitten 
in his actions and DYING to have someone to play with...this time I will 
FOSTER so that I don't go broke with cat care if the next little 
guy/girl starts to go south well ahead of time...
Thanks to  all of you for being there for FeLV cats...  You all are the 
one bit of luck the kitties who have come under your care have had


Bob
Warwick NY

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[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Randy ...

That is phenomenal News... Crit is edging quickly back towards normal.
Wouldn't it be great if more vets were as open minded and caring as your 
own
and , yes, there is more than one cat that would no longer be on this 
earth were it not for this forum.
My own little Yogi included   If one listens only to the uninformed 
vets it is easy to assume that the disease if a death sentence and 
nothing is lost helping the animal avoid future suffering by taking 
him/her out now Two vets have " suggested " this to me without 
really _ saying_ it   I'm so glad for Curly and you that the future 
looks that much brighter.



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Curly's latest labs from yesterday show another hematocrit leap from 
15% to
23% in 2 1/2 weeks. She has also gained 6/10 of a pound! (7.1 up from 
6.5).
Behaviorally she is almost back to her old self. She is no longer 
hiding,
seeks out attention and is eating well. Our vet told us he is 
astounded.
But more importantly, he said that he is changing his treatment for 
FELV
cats based on Curly's remarkable improvement and will be using 
Prednisone,
Winstrol and Doxycyline in the future. A small win for our side 
against

this disease.

Her blood chemistry test did show that her ALT levels have risen to 
174
which is an indicator that liver cells are being destroyed. Our vet 
said it

is definitely a result of the anabolic steroid but he isn't overly
concerned yet. H wants us to continue treatment for another month. 
Once

Curly's hematocrit is up to around 30 he wants to start cycling the
Winstrol, one week on and one week off, to give her liver a chance to
regenerate.

Without this forum and the advice I received here along with a very
understanding and open-minded vet, I'm quite sure Curly wouldn't be 
around
anymore. I have my fingers crossed that we can keep things balanced 
and

headed in the right direction but so far, so good!

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:

Hopefully, we start winning the vets over when they see the results, 
and
they start to tell each other about some success for FeLV cats with 
this
combination. By the way, I have also effectively used this 
combination for

a cat who, I believe had FIV, and I currently am using just the
Doxy/Winstrol combination on 2 of 3 kittens we picked up from the 
side of

the road in August and they displayed the symptoms of Lyme Disease
(alternating lameness and other signs). In the last case, I am pretty 
sure

that the majority of the effect on the Lyme organism *(Borrelia
bergdorferi) *is from the Doxycycline, but the good effect on the
lameness (which had been in place for several months before I thought 
to
try the medications) is I believe as a result of the use of the 
Winstrol.




When the vets tell me that (a) they don?t know what the diagnosis is 
and
other options seem ineffective or (b) they tell me there is no hope, 
I will

usually try the Winstrol and almost always get a decent result.



Amani



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Behalf

Of *Randy Henke
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*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement



Amani, you asked what our vet thought about Curly's improvement. He 
was

very pleased but I think he was also a little surprised. He is an
incredible vet and always goes the extra mile to listen and explain 
things.

He was also very open to letting us try the Prednisolone, Doxy and
Winstrol, even though he'd never treated a FELV cat in that way. I 
think he
thought it would help put my mind at ease that we'd tried everything 
we
could and he's right. It would have done that even if the treatment 
hadn't
worked. He was very concerned about the Prednisolone opening her up 
to
secondary infections but once he saw the numbers start to improve he 
was
convinced we were doing the right thing and told us to keep it up. I 
am

going to talk to him about continuing the Doxy.

Robert, 

Re: [Felvtalk] animal care

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Amani...

I've thought about this but, honestly, have no idea as to how to go 
about marketing those services...
The plain animal care arena where I live is literally glutted with 
people doing this ( some of whom are putting big bucks into Logos and 
Literature and advertising ( One woman actually had her care painted to 
match her business card  " Dog Sitty " .    The people at the 
shelter are not going to help me out with it because ALL of them are in 
the business as well   : )    Still ...I'm going to ask the Shelter 
Director if she herSELF has any ideas because she knows quite well the 
complications that I have with Yogi...
( Sadly... the little guy is not doing well for the past couple of 
days Hiding out... not coming up on the bed to snuggle... but... 
still eating and coming out of  Hiding if I shake the temptations box... 
I'd fell a LOT better if he were interacting
Self promotion was never one of my strong suits it's one of the main 
reasons that I am struggling financially in my " near golden" years  : )



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Robert

Can I make a suggestion which is something I would dearly love to do 
myself. Why not house sit for others going on holidays, who have 
animals? You could only accept jobs in the near vicinity, so you could 
pop back home and check on your babies as needed. You could also 
charge different amounts for just dropping in to check on an animal, 
getting the mail, taking in the newspaper, and watering the plants, 
versus staying at the house. I know that when I go away, the first and 
most important thing I have to arrange is care for my animals. We are 
lucky to have a cousin who is perpetually out of work (though quite 
young) so he is always available and good with our animals, and we pay 
him well.


Nowadays, with the internet as well, it is easier than ever to market 
your services. No more do you have to pin an ad on a supermarket 
community board, but you can do that too, along with a distribution of 
flyers in neighbourhoods near you.
There is good money in doing this, and what happens is that when one 
person uses your services, he/she tells family and friends about you 
when they're going away. You also can accept and reject jobs - you 
aren?t stuck with a particular commitment - so there's far more 
flexibility.


You're obviously wonderful with animals, so you would be perfect for 
something like this. (It is my dream job - I could live vicariously 
through you.)


Amani

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Sent: January-20-17 4:15 AM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding money for Vet Tx...

Hello All:
I have a recollection of someone( or someone(s) in our forum 
mentioning trying a " Go fund me " campaign for their cat(s)? Was 
it at all successful? I am going to need to find some money if I 
am going to keep my guys going as I really can't return to any kind of 
reasonable paying work as long as meds need to be give a few times a 
day ( I can get paid 3x more for a day of work if I go back to where I 
used to work which is 55 miles away but it makes me nervous being 
that far away if something happens that I can't get back)... I have no 
real prospects for anything near my home but am beginning to look? 
The commited folks on this forum are spending FAR more on their 
Kitties than I could dream of affording and it hurts me that what _ I 
_ thought would be adequate care falls so short of what others are 
doing..?

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[Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement

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Hi Ardy. I just discovered this information

Re: [Felvtalk] Finding money for Vet Tx...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Hello All:
I have a recollection of someone( or someone(s) in our forum mentioning 
trying a " Go fund me " campaign for their cat(s)  Was it at all 
successful??    I am going to need to find some money if I am going to 
keep my guys going as I really can't return to any kind of reasonable 
paying work as long as meds need to be give a few times a day ( I can 
get paid 3x more for a day of work if I go back to where I used to work 
which is 55 miles away but it makes me nervous being that far away 
if something happens that I can't get back)... I have no real prospects 
for anything near my home but am beginning to look  The commited 
folks on this forum are spending FAR more on their Kitties than I could 
dream of affording and it hurts me that what _ I _ thought would be 
adequate care falls so short of what others are doing.. 

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Curly...
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Randy...
You might want to invest in an inexpensive Mortar and Pestle ( 
available in any Kitchen store if you don't already have one) they are 
quite useful in grinding virtually any compressed pill into fine 
powder if you spend a little extra time.? I have one devoted to 
only pet meds and I do all my mixing in it as well so tha no powder is 
wasted ( eg... if I'm going to give Doxy/Winstrol in food I'll 
grind...then add food and then, perhaps, a little water or broth 
depending on which food I'm using... I'm sure you've discovered which 
foods are best to assure Curly will eat them with meds added ( My Guy 
will only take meds mixed in Baby food with some powdered Temptations 
treats added other days he won't consider it... so generally I mix 
the Winstrol and Doxy with a ML or two of Broth and administer with 
Syringe this assures that he gets the full dose and obviates 
worries about any sticking around in his esophagus... I very seldom 
pill him any more unless I am in a huge rush and it's either that or 
skip the dose? IF.. I pill him I always follow with a ML or two of 
water and a few Kitty treats in hopes that there is no residual to 
cause problems? BTW...? a HCT jump from 9 to 15 in only a couple 
of weeks is WonderfulIf I were you I wouldn't change a thing 
simply because? you don't really know which of the components is " 
more " responsible for the results or if it's the synergy between all 
three.? Once he's closer to Normal Levels you could play around a 
little... but I'd , personally, wait on changing anything in the 
protocol that you've been using...



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Oh Randy, I am so THRILLED to hear of your positive response to the 
medications, and that your vet was so helpful. (What does your vet 
think of the response?) You may think that 15% haematocrit is still 
very sick, and it is still well outside the normal range, but you?ve 
basically had a 60% increase in haematocrit in 3 weeks. That is quite 
amazing and wonderful. It is as good a result as you would have had 
with 2 units of blood being given as a transfusion, only it is much 
better than a transfusion 

Re: [Felvtalk] Curly...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Randy...
You might want to invest in an inexpensive Mortar and Pestle ( available 
in any Kitchen store if you don't already have one) they are quite 
useful in grinding virtually any compressed pill into fine powder if you 
spend a little extra time.  I have one devoted to only pet meds and 
I do all my mixing in it as well so tha no powder is wasted ( eg... if 
I'm going to give Doxy/Winstrol in food I'll grind...then add food and 
then, perhaps, a little water or broth depending on which food I'm 
using... I'm sure you've discovered which foods are best to assure Curly 
will eat them with meds added ( My Guy will only take meds mixed in Baby 
food with some powdered Temptations treats added other days he won't 
consider it... so generally I mix the Winstrol and Doxy with a ML or two 
of Broth and administer with Syringe this assures that he gets the 
full dose and obviates worries about any sticking around in his 
esophagus... I very seldom pill him any more unless I am in a huge rush 
and it's either that or skip the dose  IF.. I pill him I always 
follow with a ML or two of water and a few Kitty treats in hopes that 
there is no residual to cause problems  BTW...  a HCT jump from 9 to 
15 in only a couple of weeks is WonderfulIf I were you I wouldn't 
change a thing simply because  you don't really know which of the 
components is " more " responsible for the results or if it's the 
synergy between all three.  Once he's closer to Normal Levels you 
could play around a little... but I'd , personally, wait on changing 
anything in the protocol that you've been using...



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Oh Randy, I am so THRILLED to hear of your positive response to the 
medications, and that your vet was so helpful. (What does your vet 
think of the response?) You may think that 15% haematocrit is still 
very sick, and it is still well outside the normal range, but you?ve 
basically had a 60% increase in haematocrit in 3 weeks. That is quite 
amazing and wonderful. It is as good a result as you would have had 
with 2 units of blood being given as a transfusion, only it is much 
better than a transfusion because Curly is producing her own cells, 
rather than temporarily filling up with someone else?s blood.


With respect to the Doxy, I am not sure. If it were me, I would 
probably want to continue if you can. You?ve had a very good result. 
Why mess with the formula? I can?t say definitively, one way or the 
other, since I very much figured things out by running weekly blood 
work and if I saw a dip or a reversal in the numbers, I would adjust 
the medication accordingly. I don?t know if I am right about my Doxy 
theory (and it is just pure conjecture on my part, based on my non-vet 
research) but I really think that the Doxy is part of the effective 
package. I feel that the Doxy holds the virus in check ? perhaps 
slowing down its reproduction by inhibiting RNA synthesis ? enough to 
allow the body to make some progress with the Winstrol. I don?t think 
that the Winstrol on its own is enough.


With the Doxy, I used to scrape the quarter tablet into a slab of 
butter to coat it with butter, to help it slide down better, since the 
quarter table it very dry and scratchy. I also posted recently that 
the Doxy we get from vets (and even from our doctors) is the same as 
what you can get to treat fish or birds, in a pet store, and that is 
sold in powdered packages of 100 mg (same as 1 tablet). A prescription 
isn?t needed for it, and because it is powdered, it can be mixed into 
food or liquid.


Great news, too, with your success in getting her to eat more and put 
on weight.


I love to hear good news on this front. Let?s hope she continues in 
the right direction.


Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Randy Henke

Sent: January-19-17 9:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement

It has been a little over a month ago 

Re: [Felvtalk] Curly...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Randy

I am SO happy to hear that Curly had a very positive response to 
Mirtazapine albeit FAR in excess of anything I saw with my 
Yogi.  Nothing makes us happier here than to hear positive stories 
about FeLV kitties responding positively to treatment.. I feel happy 
for the Cats and even more so for the caretakers who are so obviously 
committed to their pets  a welcome relief from the stories I hear 
daily about people who won't do even the simplest things to assure the 
welfare of their charges..
Actually... being short on cash...I often feel quite badly seeing the 
kind of money people are spending on their cats and feeling a measure of 
conflict when I consider how many people really CAN'T afford to take a 
FeLV cat home.  You can't purchase insurance for them which means a 
LOT of cash outlay for Vet bills if you happen to have a Kitty that 
starts to get sick early on  The more expensive vet care gets the 
fewer can afford pets if the are of modest means.  This is bad for 
the many thousands of pets awaiting homes in shelters and PARTICULARLY 
bad for the adoption odds of FeLV and and FIV cats.

Please keep us up to date on Curlys' progress!!!


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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 20:11:42 + (UTC)
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Hi, I have a 7 month old kitten that I am considering starting the 
T-Cell injections for him. He is presenting with possible IBD right 
now or GI Lymphoma. I am wondering if anyone has had cat/kitten with 
similar symptoms and has used the Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator 
injections? Also wondering if anyone has had a FeLV+ cat with 
confirmed (thru ultrasound) thickened intestinal walls and if you've 
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Hi, I have a 7 month old kitten, Joe.had an eye enucleation in 
Sept. tested NEG-FELV. But.due to lethargy and the eye removal site 
not looking right.I took him to my REGULAR vet. He has now tested 
POSITIVE-FELV and is extremely anemic. He is eating well and drinking. 
Getting laser on eye surgical site, BUT I would love to to try the 
LTCI injections for him. Has anyone here tried them ?

Thanks, Patti
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Hi Debbie

I tried them for several months, and tested blood work weekly. I 
didn?t find the injections budged the low red 
cell/haematocrit/retic/platelet counts at all. However, I recall 
others in this group who have reported better results.


Are you new to the group? I don?t want to jump in with my experiences 
with Winstrol if you have heard it all before.


Amani

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator and FeLV

Hi,
I have a 7 month old kitten that I am considering starting the T-Cell 
injections for him.  

Re: [Felvtalk] Omega 3/Moxxor

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

While Omega 3's have a relatively solid reputation as useful in 
inflammatory conditions Moxxor (recommended by a  recent poster) is 
$60.00 for 60 tabs on the company Website...  For those individuals with 
a lot of disposable income this might seem a reasonable investment in 
their ( or their Kitties) health but...  I can buy a months supply 
of Doxy, or Prednisolone or Stanazole or any number of proven 
medications for the same amount.  60 dollars is a high price for a 
non prescription health supplement to my mind ( Now... if I could easily 
get my hands on 60 bucks worth of Green Lipped Mussels...which are not 
frequently seen around my neighborhood... THAT I might spring for ( best 
and largest mussels I have ever eaten!!)...  The Pills, I am sure, don't 
taste nearly as good  : )



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Thanks everyone for the awesome response and advice. We will be back 
at the

vet on Friday for the next round of blood tests and I will discuss all
options and your advice with the vet.

I really am extremely grateful.

Terri

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Nancy

In keeping with Amani's response...would be VERY interested to know 
if the
cats ( with which you have had success) were ( are) FeLV+ per IFA 
or

FeLV at all.
Owners of FeLV Kitties can get desperate to find ANYTHING that might 
help
their cats and can spend their way into oblivion with useless elixers 
that
will leave them cash poor for the ( sometimes) more expensive drugs 
that
stand a better chance of success Personally I can't imagine how 
Omega

3's are going to  have any appreciable effect on depressed RBC's.
Aracept... as pointed out could be effective if the anemia is
regenerativepossibly harmful if not ( cats can respond with 
antibodies

to Epo and the like with antibodies that further depress their blood
count
If you have positive experience with the above would love to hear 
about

it  even better if you have any reference papers to point us to
regarding the successful use of Omega 3's in FeLV Kitties we would 
ALL, I
am sure, be very interested as they are widely available and 
certainly

reasonably priced ( generally)
thanks...


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I'm sure this won't be allowed, but I must try anyways as I cannot
express how important it is to put your cats on an omega 3 
supplement.
Moxxor is 100% pure.  Green-lip mussel oil, grapeseed oil and 
kiwifruitseed
oil.  No preservatives, pesticides, GMOs, Mercury, PCBs, or 
excipients of
any kind.  My two FeLV cats are on Moxxor and knock on wood have 
been doing

well.  They also take the Rx Vitamins for Pets ~ Liquid Immuno.  All
natural.  For Moxxor, please please come join my FB page at
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this.  I swear by it for both me and for my two girls.

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Nancy

In keeping with Amani's response...would be VERY interested to know if 
the cats ( with which you have had success) were ( are) FeLV+ per 
IFA or FeLV at all.
Owners of FeLV Kitties can get desperate to find ANYTHING that might 
help their cats and can spend their way into oblivion with useless 
elixers that will leave them cash poor for the ( sometimes) more 
expensive drugs that stand a better chance of success Personally I 
can't imagine how Omega 3's are going to  have any appreciable effect on 
depressed RBC's.   Aracept... as pointed out could be effective if 
the anemia is regenerativepossibly harmful if not ( cats can respond 
with antibodies to Epo and the like with antibodies that further depress 
their blood count
If you have positive experience with the above would love to hear about 
it  even better if you have any reference papers to point us to 
regarding the successful use of Omega 3's in FeLV Kitties we would ALL, 
I am sure, be very interested as they are widely available and certainly 
reasonably priced ( generally)

thanks...


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I'm sure this won't be allowed, but I must try anyways as I cannot 
express how important it is to put your cats on an omega 3 supplement. 
Moxxor is 100% pure.  Green-lip mussel oil, grapeseed oil and 
kiwifruitseed oil.  No preservatives, pesticides, GMOs, Mercury, PCBs, 
or excipients of any kind.  My two FeLV cats are on Moxxor and knock 
on wood have been doing well.  They also take the Rx Vitamins for Pets 
~ Liquid Immuno.  All natural.  For Moxxor, please please come join my 
FB page at https://www.facebook.com/moxxorforabetterlife/to learn 
more about this.  I swear by it for both me and for my two girls.


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Hi Nancy

Were your cats in anemic crisis when you put them on the supplements, 
or were they positive for FeLV but not in crisis? I am interested to 
know if your supplements turned around severe non-regenerative anemia. 
I am sure I am not telling you anything new when I indicate that the 
problem is that if a cat is severely anemic and not producing his/her 
own red cells (low or insufficient reticulocytes) then there is very 
little time to address the crisis. Moreover, as I have posted before 
epogen, and other erythropoietin-type mimics, act on the red cell 
precursors in the bone marrow, signalling to them to produce more red 
cells. If the precursor cells are damaged or killed by the virus, 
which they often are, and that is why all three cell lines (red cells, 
white cells and platelets) are often affected, then no amount of 
erythropoietin, ?yelling? at a dead precursor cell, will get it to 
re-start red cell production. The only thing I have found that has a 
chance to do that is the Winstrol, co
 upled with the Doxycycline. The Winstrol promotes the development of 
bone marrow and has been found to be effective for conditions such as 
osteoporosis. It promotes the growth and increased density of bone.


Were you able to restart bone marrow red cell production with the 
supplements you are referencing? I would be very interested to hear if 
that is the case since we certainly need as many weapons in our 
arsenal as possible.


Thanks,

Amani

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I'm sure this won't be allowed, but I must try anyways as I cannot 
express how important it is to put your cats on an omega 3 supplement. 
Moxxor is 100% pure.  Green-lip mussel oil, grapeseed oil and 
kiwifruitseed oil.  No preservatives, pesticides, GMOs, Mercury, PCBs, 
or excipients of 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 5

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Ardy

I find that if I do anything that puts pressure on the gums ( like 
trying to get a look when the cats are fighting it) it forces blood away 
from the gums and I can't get a good read  I wonder if the same 
wouldn't be true of a Kitty biting on a pen??.
Though... with my Yogi... his gums are so white I don't know that they 
would get any pink in them with or withOUT pressure...    I try to 
get a look when they are sleeping and can usually can a fair look before 
they start " arguing"   : )



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Hi Sherri,

Hi ? I recently wanted to look at my Topaz? gums because she has black 
spots in her mouth and I was concerned. She just would not let me in 
there for anything??UNTIL, I realized she likes to bite on pens! So I 
can hold a pen crossways, and she bites it, thus opening her mouth. I 
can see in there very well, and the vet says there is nothing wrong ? 
she just has that color pigmentation in her mouth. But I could have 
easily held the pen with one hand and snapped a picture with my phone 
in the other hand.




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I was leaning that way Amani and you just cemented it for me. I am 
just going to dump that powder down the middle the best I can and give 
her half AM and half PM. I think I will do the same with the Pred 
(split the pill). 5mg at once seems like a lot for this little cat. 
(6lb 5oz). She may feel better having it that way anyway.


I have to say, I have trouble getting Bogey to take that Doxy. It must 
really taste bad. I am going to try to crush it and put it in ice 
cream or yogurt this time around. I also feel that the dose she is on 
for that is high. 25mg twice a day. They cut the pills poorly the 
first time around and the ?parts? were smaller. When they refilled, 
they had the 100mg cut in actual quarters and she took ill shortly 
after we started her back on it in December.


My hope is that Bogey will be able to come off the meds for some 
periods like your Zander did. I thought I was getting better at 
noticing pinkness in gums and nose but clearly I haven?t mastered that 
yet. I looked at her gums today and they looked awfully pink compared 
to 4 months ago. I tried to get her to sit still while I took a pic of 
them for reference?gonna have to get another pair of hands for that 
kind of photography. :-)


We are about 4.5 months into this treatment. I hope that by restarting 
the regiment of meds, with some changes, her numbers will come up to 
where they were in December. I think we were really making progress.



Yea I don?t understand the ?icteric? either. Just gonna accept that 
something looked off to the tech and trust the results. (and you)



Your Zander?was a lucky little boy to have you!


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I would suggest 1 mg 2x a day then, Sherri. I had Zander on 2 mg 2x a 
day but only right at the start for a month or so to ?kickstart? the 
process because his haematocrit was s low. I think the usually 
recommended dose for Winstrol for cats is 1 mg twice a day. I gave 
Zander his pills all at once ? prednisone, Winstrol and Doxycycline. I 
suspect that the problems you encountered are far more likely to be 
related to the higher Winstrol dose than the staggering of the 
medication.


Now that you have clarified the dosing for Bogey, I think that the 
problem was the high dosing of the Stanazolol. I think if you drop it 
by half, and keep everything else the same, you might get a better 
response. Frankly, though, it is the very fact that the numbers tumble 
every time the meds are pulled, that convinces me that it is 
definitely the meds that are making such a 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 1

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Sherri...
Once again...  although there have been some significant changes in her 
Bloodwork...  your little girl looks like she is quite far away from " 
bowing out " anytime soon   : )  I'm very glad that the Stanazol, 
Doxy combination has had positive effects for her in the past and 
imagine with judicious reintroduction her levels should improve.  
That would be a fine New Years Treat    Good Luck...



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I hope all of you had a nice Holiday. It is way too chaotic but I miss 
it

when it is over.

I wanted to share with you a couple of things about my FEVL + cat 
Bogey for
anyone who is interested. She was jaundice last month and seriously 
ill in

the hospital for a few days and has been home since 14th of December.
Although the Doc wanted her back on her meds, Stanzolol Doxycycline, 
right
away?I waited. After her blood tests on the 20th, with his insistence, 
she
started back on the meds. No prednisolone because he had given her a 
shot
when released. I did as he said but after 7 days on it, she started to 
eat
less and seemed fatigued, so I stopped. So now she has been off them 
again
for 8 days and got her blood tested today. Here is what has happened 
to her.

  LOW HIGH 5-Jan 20-Dec 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
 RBC 6.54 12.2 2.93 5.57 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43
 HCT 30.3 52.3 16.9 30.9 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3
 HGB 9.8 16.2 5.3 10.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3
 MCV 35.9 53.1 57.7 55.5 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6
 MCH 11.8 17.3 18.1 18.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8
 MCHC 28.1 35.8 31.4 33 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9
 RDW 15 27 29.1 23.8 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9
 RETIC 3 50 102.6 37.3 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5
 WBC 2.87 17.02 18.77 22.34 8.59 13.05 12.01 14.47 13.46
 NEU 1.48 10.29 7.88 15.82 5.42 3.97 3.96 4.07 4.03
 LYM 0.92 6.88 8.73 3.98 2.21 7.8 6.81 8.83 7.75
 MONO 0.05 0.67 1.87 1.89 0.87 1.16 1.17 1.52 1.58
 EOS 0.17 1.57 0.44 0.49 0.08 0.11 0.06 0.004 0.01
 BASO 0.01 0.26 0.05 0.16 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0
 PLT 151 800 111 295 122 28 53 88 50
  GLU 74 159 111 122 125 178
 BUN 16 36 22 21 14 23
 CREA 8 2.4 1.1 1.1 0.8 1.3
 BUN/CREA20 19 18 18
 PHOS 3.1 7.5 4.5   4.5
 CA 7.8 11.3 8.7   9.8
 TP 5.7 8.9 9 8.1 7.9 8.7
 ALB 2.2 4 2.8 3.4 2.9 3.1
 GLOB 2.8 5.1 6.2 4.7 5 5.6
 ALB/GLB0.5 0.7 0.6 0.6
 ALT 12 130 111 581 192 237
 ALKP 14 111 34 81 42 39
 GGT 0 4 0   8  TBIL 0 0.9 1.4  27.2 27.9
 CHOL 65 225 77   170
 AMYL 500 1500 1074   842
 LIPA 100 1400 442   255
 NA 150 165158  K 3.5 5.83.4   NA/K   46  CL 112 129 
114  OSM CALC   318
As you can see her anemia is much worse although her liver numbers 
have
improved significantly. So we are starting back everything today. The 
tech
noted that Bogey?s serum was icteric. She is not jaundice at all 
outwardly.
Is eating great. Doc says to try possibly one Stanzolol every other 
day. Or
half a capsule twice a day. As well a 5mg Prednisolone 1 time a day 
and 1/4

doxy twice a day. I am thinking maybe keep her on the same dose of the
Stanzolol but split the Pred. Do you have opinions?

Anyway my baby seems happy. She loved her stocking full of Temptations 
and

new toys for Christmas. I am so glad she is here beside me.

Thanks everyone.

Sherri and Bogey








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Re: [Felvtalk] Yogi...and decisions to be made...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Ardy, Amani, Margo Sandy Lorrieeveryone who has responded..   
it's so nice to not feel completely alone in making these decisions and 
to profit from the experience and thoughts of others on this matter.  It 
worries me terribly how limited the choices become for saving a cats 
life when one is impeded by fiscal concerns.  I had many cats when 
younger and never had to decide between getting the furnace cleaned or 
buying still another medicine for my catethical dilemnas abound. 
Do I hold off on getting the brakes fixed and try still another vet and 
hope he willl prescribe what I need Blood work even bi weekly at 60+ 
dollars along with all the meds he's still getting etc.. Mind you I 
would blow it all for a
GUARANTEE of several more months with my little guy but I'm trying to 
put a price tag on hopeand this becomes VERY difficult when a 
formerly 7 pound energetic little cat stumbles into your lap every time 
you sit down... now 5 lbs 6 oz's, skin and bones with a pronounced 
Cataract over his right eye... a tiny little mew that was always his 
trademark and walks in circles for minutes trying to find the place that 
is most comfortable and warm ( You know how hard it is to pet a 
collectiion of skin and bones??  I try to focus on his head because 
it is the only part of him that feels normal..   The little guy 
appears to be having problems thermoregulating since his Body Mass is so 
reduced and he has a fever. so I now have a heating pad set up on 
the bed ( and of course the other bigger guy commandeers it as soon as 
yogi moves elsewhere for a moment..   He's still alive, still eating 
and using the litter box but it disturbs me no end that he might die 
while I am NOT there and I'm spending WAY more time around the house 
than I should and sleeping less than I should because I don't want him 
alone when he passes ( this...WAY more for me than for him as I suspect 
it is not one of his prime concerns  I just want to be sure that he 
goes comfortably.
BTW I am lucky enough to have a vet ( she is a " holistic vet" and 
does little allopathic practice) who consults at the shelter who will 
put him down if the time comes that this is necessary...in a comfortable 
" non medicinal smelling room over at the shelter where he has been seen 
before. It's not nearly as traumatic as going all the way to the 
other vet ( a half hour drive).
Thanks for all your well wishes.  I'm not a big believer in miracles 
but that doesn't stop me from hoping for one...


Bob in Warwick NY


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Hi Robert,
I'm so sorry it might be coming to the end for your little sweetie. 
When I lost my Tigger, I could not decide what to do either. By the 
time I was ready to call the vet to put him down, they were closed, 
and their emergency answering service said they were all over an hour 
away, so they were not available, and in the end - it ended up being 
the best solution. We held Tigger and he felt comfortable with us. He 
hated going to the vet and was afraid, and I did not like putting him 
through it at this most critical time. He passed within a few minutes, 
and was comfortable and not afraid with us talking to him, telling him 
how much we loved him. Of course it was horrible for us, but in this 
situation, it turned out to be better for him to be at home. But 
whatever decision you make, it will be the best one because you have 
done so much for your fur-babies, they love and appreciate you.

Ardy


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Amani et al

Any idea of the life expectancy of untreated n

Re: [Felvtalk] My Location...should you find an open minded vet...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thank you Amani and Ardy for thinking of me   I am located in a part 
of NYS called Southern Orange County... The largest nearby towns are 
Middletown, Monroe,Newburgh but I'd be willing to travel a distance for 
a chance at a real result ( eg The Vet Opthalmologist I am using is 
50 miles away)... NYC is 60 miles from me. Problem is that soon my 
time availability is going to be compromised by my need to return to 
work in order to afford the basics of life.  I know for some a few 
thousand dollars is not much but for me in retirement it comprises a 
very large portion of my living expenses for a few months ( I 
do...after all, have a couple of needs of my own as wellsuch as food 
and gas and a mortgage to pay  : )
Any assistance you could lend would be well appreciated   I've done 
more than a bit of asking around but am not well connected enough in 
this "other" medical world yet to have confidence that I won't be 
wasting still more money to hear crap that I already know 10 times 
over.  Kind of the same conundrum as my going to a new MD for a drug 
I've been on for 40 years He knows nothing about it but I need HIS 
sig to  get it and until he knows me he's not going to trust that I know 
what I'm talking about... or if he's really full of himself may not take 
the time to listen to whether I even do It's THAT kind of money 
wasting I am no longer willing to do Please forgive the building 
frustration but being held captive by someones prescription pad while 
their brain is too closed to allow me a chance at saving my little boy 
is REALLY working on me    Winstrol,Doxy and Pred in combo don't 
come near the price of one Bone Marrow aspiration and are a heck of a 
lot cheaper than Epopoieten which is of little use in a non regenerative 
anemia Don't tell me there's nothing tha you CAN do when it's 
actually that there is nothing that you WILL do. Ok... I'll stop


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Bob

At 14 haematocrit, you've got a ways to go before your boy is in 
crisis. I know you have tried everything Bob, and you are struggling 
with costs, but if you could find a vet to prescribe the drug 
combination we have discussed, would you do it? It isn?t all that 
expensive really. If you tell me or Ardy directly , where you are 
located, we can try to find a vet through Diamond Back compounding 
pharmacy. I know how attached you are to your little boy, and frankly, 
if he is still eating, I wouldn?t give up on him yet.


Amani

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Amani et al

Any idea of the life expectancy of untreated non regenerative anemia 
in a FeLV catGot a call on Yogi's? Most Recent Bloodwork and the 
vet states HCT of 14 and non regenerative anemia? I was taken 
aback and didn't ask nearly enough questions but it was VERY clear 
that she felt it was time to put the little guy down.?? I am at 
the end of my money at this point and cannot take him to a bunch of 
other vets hoping one will be willing to prescribe the cocktail that 
is showing itself to be effective with others cats...( I don't think I 
am going to get a lot of cooperation from the Vet I was using after I 
gave her my opinion of her unwillingness to help me through 
unconventional means).Nor can I afford Bone Marrow Biopsies and 
more definitive narrowing of the parameters of his drop in blood 
values ( it's Xmas eve and they are all gone from the office)?? As 
much as I would like to save this little guy... He has so many other 
things wrong with him that I don't know that I a
 m doing him any favors. Temp is 104...weight has dropped a full 
pound in the last 6 months If it weren

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 60

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

If I could find a vet that I KNEW would prescribe the med combination I 
need and not charge me for a dozen visits before doing so I would 
DEFINITELY do it...  It's very strange for me to be part of this 
Veterinary world now  where my word holds no sway after years in the 
Human medical world where I needed only ask an MD colleague for anything 
I needed and " price free " would have a script in hand in moments  
Yeah, I get that stanazol is a scheduled drug but the risk to the vet 
can't be all that large given the ridiculously small dosages we're 
talking about..   I am getting progressively more and more 
frustrated and angry about having MY OWN and my animals very lives held 
captive by " business" men and women who are ( more often than not) 
either disinclined to step outside their comfort zone or simply do not 
care enough to try harder ( all while charging us plenty to NOT provide 
what we need and want)  I would also like the opportunity to "Educate" 
those vets who refused  to prescribe Winstrol/Doxy/Pred and recommended 
that my cat be either Euthanized or allowed to fade away because there 
was really nothing they could do, definitively,to prolong his life 
to send pictures of a functional cat that they would have had dead on a 
table had I listened and urge that they rethink their priorities when 
another pet owner comes to them hoping to get more time with the little 
friend they love What are they there for ANYWAY!!  It's not like the 
old days where a vet visit was the price of a sandwich and you didn't 
have to remortgage your house to take quality care of a pet.  This 
is simply UNACCEPTABLE...



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Bob

At 14 haematocrit, you've got a ways to go before your boy is in 
crisis. I know you have tried everything Bob, and you are struggling 
with costs, but if you could find a vet to prescribe the drug 
combination we have discussed, would you do it? It isn?t all that 
expensive really. If you tell me or Ardy directly , where you are 
located, we can try to find a vet through Diamond Back compounding 
pharmacy. I know how attached you are to your little boy, and frankly, 
if he is still eating, I wouldn?t give up on him yet.


Amani

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 58

Amani et al

Any idea of the life expectancy of untreated non regenerative anemia 
in a FeLV catGot a call on Yogi's? Most Recent Bloodwork and the 
vet states HCT of 14 and non regenerative anemia? I was taken 
aback and didn't ask nearly enough questions but it was VERY clear 
that she felt it was time to put the little guy down.?? I am at 
the end of my money at this point and cannot take him to a bunch of 
other vets hoping one will be willing to prescribe the cocktail that 
is showing itself to be effective with others cats...( I don't think I 
am going to get a lot of cooperation from the Vet I was using after I 
gave her my opinion of her unwillingness to help me through 
unconventional means).Nor can I afford Bone Marrow Biopsies and 
more definitive narrowing of the parameters of his drop in blood 
values ( it's Xmas eve and they are all gone from the office)?? As 
much as I would like to save this little guy... He has so many other 
things wrong with him that I don't know that I a
 m doing him any favors. Temp is 104...weight has dropped a full 
pound in the last 6 months If it weren't for the fact that he is 
still eating heartily I'd put him down Without further treatment 
is it kinder to put him down or allow nature to take it's 
course??.The idea of him suffering from an inability to get enough 
O2 is unacceptable
any suggestions 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 58

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Amani et al

Any idea of the life expectancy of untreated non regenerative anemia in 
a FeLV catGot a call on Yogi's  Most Recent Bloodwork and the vet 
states HCT of 14 and non regenerative anemia  I was taken aback and 
didn't ask nearly enough questions but it was VERY clear that she felt 
it was time to put the little guy down.   I am at the end of my 
money at this point and cannot take him to a bunch of other vets hoping 
one will be willing to prescribe the cocktail that is showing itself to 
be effective with others cats...( I don't think I am going to get a lot 
of cooperation from the Vet I was using after I gave her my opinion of 
her unwillingness to help me through unconventional means).Nor can I 
afford Bone Marrow Biopsies and more definitive narrowing of the 
parameters of his drop in blood values ( it's Xmas eve and they are all 
gone from the office)   As much as I would like to save this little 
guy... He has so many other things wrong with him that I don't know that 
I am doing him any favors. Temp is 104...weight has dropped a full 
pound in the last 6 months If it weren't for the fact that he is 
still eating heartily I'd put him down Without further treatment is 
it kinder to put him down or allow nature to take it's course??.The 
idea of him suffering from an inability to get enough O2 is 
unacceptable
any suggestions are welcome but... please...  no admonitions re: 
what I _ should_ do.    I have learned an immense amount from this 
experience and will NOT repeat it...  My other boy is still doing OK and 
I WILL find someone eventually that is willing to work with me..




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Randy

The news is good. Whatever works. I am a big believer in keeping close 
tabs on the bloodwork and adjusting the medication, depending on what 
the lab results show.


Given that Curley is eating and you are getting an improvement on the 
red cells already, I agree that the Winstrol and Doxy should help even 
more. Keep track of the blood work and adjust accordingly.


Amani

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The situation with Curly is getting a bit more complicated but in a 
good way. Her blood work a week ago showed an RBC of 9 which is 
critically low. White cell count was 3.1. After one week of Prednisone 
her white cell count is 3.7 which is the low end of normal and her red 
blood cell count is up to 13 which is still very low but a very 
significant increase in just one week. So the Prednisone alone is 
making a big difference. We've now had two positive ELISA tests, a 
negative IFA and severe anemia that is responding well to just 
Prednisone. I am very confused. Even our vet seems surprised by the 
sudden improvement in her numbers. He thinks we should do a bone 
marrow biopsy for a definitive FELV diagnosis but I don't really want 
to put her through that procedure.
We did start the Winstrol a day ago so I would think that could only 
help more. We should be tapering down the Prednisone dose at this time 
but our vet now wants to continue the full dosage for another two 
weeks before running another CBC. And the Doxy will be started on 
Monday. I'm beginning to think she might pull out of this crisis and 
we might have a little more time with her.


On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Ardy Robertson > wrote:
Best of luck to you with Curly  just wanted to mention there are 
appetite stimulant pills available. One that I remember that I used 
with Tigger was Mirtazapine and I only had to give a small part of a 
pill every 3 days. Amani knows of another one but I can?t remember the 
name of it.


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[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I hope this doesn't sound disrespectful... but I'm perplexed at all the 
talk of  whether or not an animal has or does NOT have the virus at 8, 
10 and 12 years old...   If an animal has lived this long it would 
appear that he/she has a much milder form of the virus or a variant 
about which little is known.  In truth though your cats have 
already defied he odds and despite the sadness of having them ( 
potentially) have several years of life curtailed you will have had them 
longer than the many Healthy cats I had a a youngster when it was not 
uncommon for cats to die from any number of causes well before they were 
10  years old. If my boys live until 8 or 10 I will consider it 
miraculous!!..   The kind of FeLV+ that REALLY concerns me is the 
kind that my own boys have passed from the Queen established to 
have moved into their marrow in the first 7 months of their 
lives...Symptomatic from the time they were Kittens   One looking ( 
yes there IS a "look" severely affected FeLV+ cats can have)  very much 
like a cat that simply is not going to last very long it is heart 
wrenching to hold his little 5.8 lb body and feel all his ribs and 
backbone despite his eating heartily He is barely a year and one 
half and has already had IBD, Uveitis,Melting Corneal Ulcer, Keratitis, 
Multiple bouts of  Rhinitis, He is 70% blind.  I won't go on...  If 
he weren't not in obvious pain I would have put him down by now... 
but... he is a good natured little boy who still loves his food and his 
treats and curls up with me to keep warm because his body weight is so 
low.  I can't tell you how happy it would make me to have him show 
weight gain or be able to play again...( He's been able to play perhaps 
one month of the time I've had him and his brother can't understand why 
he can't play and still attacks him hoping to have a partner in his 
games..   this is not what I expected when I adoped these boys but I 
learned quickly..  may really have to foster another FeLV+ just so 
the healthier one leaves my disabled one alone. I've learned 
quite a lot about the variants of FeLV since coming to this group but 
honestly..  when I adopted these boys I never DREAMED of their 
living to 8 years old and it seems quite a lot of people here are 
discussing  cats in that age range..  I'm having a hard time even 
internalizing that as FeLV...    Just wondering if there are many in the 
group that have cats whose lives are being curtailed at VERY young ages 
by this damnable Disease!!!



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I think that there are many unknowns and that the virus can live in 
many forms.  I have had my cat for almost 8 years.  The last Elisa 
test on her before I took her in, at about 3 months, was negative 
(after an initial positive test).  At the time I already had a cat 
(1.5 yo) who was negative.  I was assured that she was negative and 
would not have Felv. They are both indoor cats and are not exposed to 
others.   So why after having her for so long,  does she now test 
Elisa positive and IFA negative?  Has the virus been dormant for 8 
years?  I have researched on Internet and it seems that there are many 
unknowns.


It would have been impossible for me to separate my cats after 8 years 
together and the stress of keeping them apart would have been hard on 
them and me.  So they live together and my other cat is fine so far 
(he is vaccinated).


  I found the following on the website of the SNap test manufacturer 
about discordant results and found the comment about true status not 
being known to be interesting.



this is an ELISA-positive and IFA-negative status. Discordant results 
may be due to the stage of infection, the variability of host 
responses, or technical problems with testing. The status of the cat 
with discordant results may eventually become clear by repeating both 
tests in 60 d and yearly thereafter until the test results agree. 
Unfortunately, a substantial number of these patients have 
persistently 

[Felvtalk] Re. Nutrition

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Sherri
I wouldn't be worrying so much about her having the "perfect" diet so 
much as seeing that she eats _ something_ whatever it is.    It will be 
harder on her liver to NOT eat than to process kibble ( rule of thumb 
for me is that many generations of ferals ( and people!!) have managed 
to survive on less than optimal diets..worry less ...experiment more.   
 I've fed my little guy every thing from cracker crumbs to mouse pieces 
to keep his weight up.. If he'll eat... he gets it. my _ go to_ 
usual is puréed meat baby food laced with powdered temptations 
treats.. when he won't eat that I know I have a problem and I have 
to supplement with syringe.   This little guy has been ill from the time 
he was born and it doesn't look as though it is EVER going to let 
up.. Fever and lethargy and losing weight again despite good 
appetite
So more blood work tomorrow that I can ill afford.  If I ever take home 
another felv it will have to be a foster


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Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 48
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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Bogeys Blood Test Today (Sherri Godschalk)
  2. Food and Nutrition for FELV (Sherri Godschalk)
  3. Re: Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2
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Today

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Thank you Robert. I post that table with her results right out of 
excel.
Sometimes it runs together on mine too. I have put this on Google 
Sheets
so I can view it at work too. Here is a link if you would like to see 
it.



https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/174GWHyj34zZlky9jdU_9TUBz1leosJGvkZO
qFY_d3Cw/edit?usp=sharing

Good luck with your boy too.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Finding a vet to prescribe Winstrol Southern NY Region...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Ardy...
Thank you for the suggestion and the benefit of your experience with DB 
and Winstrol I guess I can understand their reticence if they can't 
configure their database to produce that information in a few moments ( 
of course they could be simply disinclined as well which really can't be 
held too much against them either if someone is not placeing an order : 
)   Short sighted Yes... but understandable.
I am going to be gearing up soon ( I expect) for another Winstrol push 
as my Yogi is losing weight and temp is rising I've spent so much 
money on the opthalmologist and eye meds I've been holding off on 
additional blood work but can't wait any longer.   Amani... if you 
happen to read this can you remind me of the reference ( location) for 
the study that recommended against Stanazol due to Liver Enzyme 
abnormalities. also...did you locate other studies studies 
recommending against Winstrol for the same reason.   I would like to 
be able to say with "some" authority that the Liver connection relative 
to the potential for Hgb Hct Platelet improvement makes it well worth 
the risk..   More on this later...



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Hi Robert -- I did call Diamond Back Drugs and asked if they could 
provide the names/contact information for vets who were willing to 
prescribe Winstrol and they said could not do that because they work 
with so many vets and clients from all over, and they figured it would 
be just too much of a task for them. They are very nice to work with 
though, so possibly if someone called and said for instance, do you 
know of a vet in the Cincinnati area that I could go to, maybe they 
would recommend someone. When I needed Winstrol for Tigger I changed 
vets because the one would not work with me on it. The new vet, I sort 
of stepped out of my usual passive self and announced rather boldly 
that this is what I wanted and if they weren't going to work with me, 
I would not be using them. I was polite but firm, and it worked.


Ardy


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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Availability of Winstrol

Randy...

Yes... you DO have a good vet... or a least one that is willing to 
think outside the litter box..
I am getting VERY frustrated and soon very angry at the unwillingness 
of my local vets to have anything to do with Winstrol  I can not 
comprehend a  vet having NO reasonable alternative for a dying animal 
and STILL being unwilling to prescribe a drug that has shown efficacy 
with this diseaseIf my boy starts to go downhill from anemia 
and the vet still won't prescribe there is going to be a scene...
At the prices now being charged for Veterinary services I expect a LOT 
MORE than I am getting at this point...


Have been looking at International sources for the drug and on various 
bodybuilding sites but these are mostly B.S and one can not be sure if 
he is getting the real drug


I recall there being some discussion about  contacting Diamond Back 
and asking for vets that have requested the drug.  Did anyone in 
he forum ever do this ???  I don't recall.It's worth a try 
I've used them for other drugs that I have ordered through the shelter 
where I volunteer



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Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's appetite...

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Randy

I'm not sure if the dosages of prednisone and Winstrol Curly will be 
getting are in the range that were formerly used for appetite 
stimulation in Kitties...( yes in the " old " days Corticosterioids AND 
anabolic Steroids were the go to drugs for appetite stimulation but 
often did more harm than good if not used judiciously.    The other 
drug that Ardy was referring to was likely Cyproheptadine... an 
antihistamine that has since been replaced by Mirtazapine ( an 
antidepressant in humans) in part due to an easier dosing schedule( 
Daily to Q3days vs every 8 hours or so for the Cypro   There are 
many who still swear by the Cyproheptadine( I'll write out the full word 
rather than cause the confusion of mixing it up with the antibiotic_ 
Cipro. All of the above have worked a " little " for my different 
cats over the years.   Most recently I used Mirtazapine for my boy Yogi 
( who has been on no less than 10 different Meds in the past few months 
and it worked well for a couple of days... but then not at all. 
Fortunately the crisis passed and he went back to eating on his own when 
the pain in his eye subsided ( Now he appears to be developing Nasal 
complications due to all the damn Eye Drops I have to give him to keep 
his Uveitis at bay and clear up the Ocular Herpes that caused the whole 
mess.  FeLV can be a challenge for some unlucky Kitties for 
sure    Have any of the folks here who have used he combination of 
Prednisolone and Wintrol noticed increases in appetite??



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From: Sherri Godschalk To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test 
Today These look worse PG 2

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Well I am not sure he noticed some of the increases on page 2 here. It 
seems

like all of these are going the wrong direction. She isn?t showing any
jaundice and her gait is much improved but still having some issues 
with
balance. I ask them to run the full battery of blood tests today but 
it
doesn?t look like they did. Do you all agree that these numbers are 
not

better but in fact worse than when they released her on Dec 14th?
Scale 20-Dec 14-Dec 12-Dec
 GLU 74-159 122 125 178
 BUN 16-36 21 14 23
 CREA 08-2.4 1.1 0.8 1.3
 BUN/CREA  19 18 18
 PHOS 3.1-7.5   4.5
 CA 7.8-11.3   9.8  TP 5.7-8.9 8.1 7.9 8.7
 ALB 2.2-4.0 3.4 2.9 3.1
 GLOB 2.8-5.1 4.7 5 5.6
 ALB/GLB  0.7 0.6 0.6
 ALT 12-130 581 192 237
 ALKP 14-111 81 42 39
 GGT 0-4   8   TBIL .0-.9  27.2 27.9
 CHOL 65-225   170  AMYL 500-1500   842
 LIPA 100-1400   255
 NA 150-165   158   K 3.5-5.8   3.4   NA/K46   CL 112-129   114 
OSM CALC318 Sherri



From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Randy
Henke Reply-To:  Date:  Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 4:54 PM
To:  Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today

That is phenomenal, Sherri! I'm hoping for a repeat of that 
performance with

our girl, Curly.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sherri Godschalk wrote:
Bogey is still improving. The Dr came out to talk with me himself 
instead of
sending out a tech. Never does that. He said everything looked good 
except her
red blood cells have gotten smaller but there are more of them. As 
well as him
being concerned about infection since her WBC and NEU are elevated. I 
read
that can be from pred and he gave her a shot of it before he sent her 
home
last week when normally I gave her a pill each day. He wants me to 
start her
back on the Doxy and Winstrol but not the pred yet. I still feel like 
it might
be soon on the Winstrol since she hasn't been out of the hospital for 
even a
week yet. I will post the 2nd page of the blood test later if anyone 
is

interested. But LOOK at the Platelet count...go Bogey!

   Range 20-Dec 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
 RBC 6.54 12.2 5.57 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43
 HCT 30.3 52.3 30.9 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3
 HGB 9.8 16.2 10.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3
 MCV 35.9 53.1 55.5 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6
 MCH 11.8 17.3 18.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8
 MCHC 28.1 35.8 33 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9
 RDW 15 27 23.8 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9
 RETIC 3 50 37.3 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5
 WBC 2.87 17.02 

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogeys Blood Test Today

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Sherri...

I don't know if it is possible to, perhaps, format the data differently 
but I am having a difficult time
reading the Blood results...they are all running togetheralso 
are the data on the right the older and getting newer as we move to the 
left??  A shame this site doesn't ( at least to my knowledge) have a 
function for making a table ( or including a table when posting) it 
would make matters a LOT easier...
BTW... While I understand your concerns re: Bogey on balance... 
She's looking pretty darn good for a FeLV Kitty...    If my boys blood 
values were that good I'd be quite pleased ( apart from the notable 
LIver Values). Hang in there...



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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 20:25:39 -0500
From: Sherri Godschalk To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test 
Today These look worse PG 2

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Well I am not sure he noticed some of the increases on page 2 here. It 
seems

like all of these are going the wrong direction. She isn?t showing any
jaundice and her gait is much improved but still having some issues 
with
balance. I ask them to run the full battery of blood tests today but 
it
doesn?t look like they did. Do you all agree that these numbers are 
not

better but in fact worse than when they released her on Dec 14th?
Scale 20-Dec 14-Dec 12-Dec
 GLU 74-159 122 125 178
 BUN 16-36 21 14 23
 CREA 08-2.4 1.1 0.8 1.3
 BUN/CREA  19 18 18
 PHOS 3.1-7.5   4.5
 CA 7.8-11.3   9.8  TP 5.7-8.9 8.1 7.9 8.7
 ALB 2.2-4.0 3.4 2.9 3.1
 GLOB 2.8-5.1 4.7 5 5.6
 ALB/GLB  0.7 0.6 0.6
 ALT 12-130 581 192 237
 ALKP 14-111 81 42 39
 GGT 0-4   8   TBIL .0-.9  27.2 27.9
 CHOL 65-225   170  AMYL 500-1500   842
 LIPA 100-1400   255
 NA 150-165   158   K 3.5-5.8   3.4   NA/K46   CL 112-129   114 
OSM CALC318 Sherri



From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Randy
Henke Reply-To:  Date:  Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 4:54 PM
To:  Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today

That is phenomenal, Sherri! I'm hoping for a repeat of that 
performance with

our girl, Curly.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sherri Godschalk wrote:
Bogey is still improving. The Dr came out to talk with me himself 
instead of
sending out a tech. Never does that. He said everything looked good 
except her
red blood cells have gotten smaller but there are more of them. As 
well as him
being concerned about infection since her WBC and NEU are elevated. I 
read
that can be from pred and he gave her a shot of it before he sent her 
home
last week when normally I gave her a pill each day. He wants me to 
start her
back on the Doxy and Winstrol but not the pred yet. I still feel like 
it might
be soon on the Winstrol since she hasn't been out of the hospital for 
even a
week yet. I will post the 2nd page of the blood test later if anyone 
is

interested. But LOOK at the Platelet count...go Bogey!

   Range 20-Dec 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
 RBC 6.54 12.2 5.57 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43
 HCT 30.3 52.3 30.9 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3
 HGB 9.8 16.2 10.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3
 MCV 35.9 53.1 55.5 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6
 MCH 11.8 17.3 18.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8
 MCHC 28.1 35.8 33 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9
 RDW 15 27 23.8 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9
 RETIC 3 50 37.3 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5
 WBC 2.87 17.02 22.34 8.59 13.05 12.01 14.47 13.46
 NEU 1.48 10.29 15.82 5.42 3.97 3.96 4.07 4.03
 LYM 0.92 6.88 3.98 2.21 7.8 6.81 8.83 7.75
 MONO 0.05 0.67 1.89 0.87 1.16 1.17 1.52 1.58
 EOS 0.17 1.57 0.49 0.08 0.11 0.06 0.004 0.01
 BASO 0.01 0.26 0.16 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0
 PLT 151 800 295 122 28 53 88 50






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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 21:46:37 -0600
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 

Re: [Felvtalk] Availability of Winstrol....

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Randy...

Yes... you DO have a good vet... or a least one that is willing to think 
outside the litter box..
I am getting VERY frustrated and soon very angry at the unwillingness of 
my local vets to have anything to do with Winstrol  I can not 
comprehend a  vet having NO reasonable alternative for a dying animal 
and STILL being unwilling to prescribe a drug that has shown efficacy 
with this disease    If my boy starts to go downhill from anemia and 
the vet still won't prescribe there is going to be a scene...
At the prices now being charged for Veterinary services I expect a LOT 
MORE than I am getting at this point...


Have been looking at International sources for the drug and on various 
bodybuilding sites but these are mostly B.S and one can not be sure if 
he is getting the real drug


I recall there being some discussion about  contacting Diamond Back and 
asking for vets that have requested the drug.  Did anyone in he 
forum ever do this ???  I don't recall.    It's worth a try I've 
used them for other drugs that I have ordered through the shelter where 
I volunteer



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Our vet must be one of the good ones. He approved both Winstrol and
Doxycycline even though he has never used them for FELV positive cats.
We'll be adding those onto Curly's Prednisone as soon as we get them. 
So
far she is hanging in there. She only eats Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers 
(about
a small can every other day) but her weight is holding around 7 
pounds.
About a half pound below her best weight before she got sick. She 
still

gets up to get drinks of water and use the litter box and she is still
grooming herself. She wants very little social interaction which is 
not
like her at all and she has very little energy, preferring to stay on 
the
bed almost all of the time. Her breathing is also fairly rapid and has 
been

for quite a few days.

Hopefully this will be another success story for your kitty cocktail. 
We'll

owe you much if it works.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:


Randy



I really don?t know. I have only had experience with the pills which 
I
found very effective. As a compromise option, I would take if that is 
the

only way the vet will agree to proceed.



Amani



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Behalf

Of *Randy Henke
*Sent:* December-19-16 9:46 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis



Hi Amani,

I have a call in to our vet now about the Winstrol and Doxycycline. 
I've
read that there is also the option of getting a weekly shot of 
Winstrol as
opposed to the pills. If our vet balks at prescribing the pills but 
would

be willing to give her the shot would it still work as well?



On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:

Wishing you luck.



Amani



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Behalf

Of *Randy Henke
*Sent:* December-16-16 8:12 PM


*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis



Thank you, Amani! I'll see what I can do to convince the vet on 
Monday.




On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:

1 mg 2 times a day.



Amani



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Behalf

Of *Randy Henke
*Sent:* December-16-16 7:52 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis



That is information that is definitely useful to me! Thanks so much! 
Do
you know what dosage of Winstrol I should ask for for a 6.8 pound 
cat? I
want to have as much info as possible when I talk to my vet on 
Monday.




On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:

No Randy, Winstrol is an anabolic steroid (unlike prednisone which is 
a

corticosteroid) so it does not have a dampening effect on the immune
system. What you need right now is something to stimulate red cell
production. If your cat has FELV, then the problem is that the 
progenitor
cells in the bone 

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey, Temptations and Lipidosis...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I don't ever assume there is anything truly amiss with either of my boys 
appetites UNTIL they won't eat Temptations Chicken Treats   I am 
certain that whatever they put in those things would be illegal in the 
Human World  It's bizarre... my cats will take them over ACTUAL 
chicken... They contain very little that I would want my cats eating 
as a significant part of their diet but each gets a least 10 of them 
each day ( Yogi...as a reward for being a good boy with the ridiculous 
number of meds I have to  give him to try to get his eyes functional 
again... and my other boy " Jelly "... so that he doesn't simply push 
Yogi out of the way and eat his treats


I don't recall if you had mentioned Bogey's weight??   Lipidosis is far 
more common with overweight cats than proper or underweight felines ( 
otherwise every feral that does not have access to a reliable food 
source would be suffering the disease).   I'm sorry your little one 
has had so many issues... but... with your help and persistent attention 
he appears to keep bouncing back  It's very heartening...


I don't know if our little "charges" appreciate what we do for them but 
I like to think that they somehow realize that their lives became quite 
a bit safer and more comfortable since making our acquaintance  : )



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[Felvtalk] Bogey - Is this hepatic lipidosis - concerns

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Sherri ? she?ll be fine without the Winstrol and Doxy for a week. The 
Winstrol is much more long acting than that. She might be down a few 
points on her haematocrit or red cell counts, but as I indicated, she 
has a significant cushion on her numbers, so I wouldn?t be concerned.


Re the hearing loss, even if she can hear that doesn?t mean that there 
isn?t damage to the ear. It isn?t the hearing component that causes 
vertigo when it is damaged.


You are being impatient! Last week, you thought she was going to die. 
This week you have to beat her off with a stick so she doesn?t eat all 
the Temptations. She is fine, and your vet will be happy since it 
sounds like he too thought there was nothing to be done for her. As 
for the Temptations, my cats LOVE them and I wouldn?t be without them 
(no matter how good or bad they may be ? it would be like saying no 
more ice cream ever because it is OBVIOUSLY bad for us).


Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Sherri Godschalk

Sent: December-17-16 5:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey - Is this hepatic lipidosis - concerns

As always Amani, thanks for the reply. I am always impatient about 
these things I know. She was very sick and doubt that I would be back 
to normal after one week either. She can hear because she responds 
sometimes, but sometimes she doesn?t. Hopefully since her numbers were 
not through the ceiling this will resolve with time and love. I don?t 
think she is in pain, she is letting me pet her ears and the dog has 
been grooming her there and she doesn?t seem to mind. just kind of out 
of it. She is better after resting so I have been not waking her to 
eat since she is doing plenty of that now. I have given her a couple 
of Temptations treats. The beef flavor. She wants more and I think she 
would eat the whole bag. (I saw her trying to get the bag open today) 
I have read good and bad things about them. Do you have an opinion?


We go back in on Tuesday for blood tests. Am wondering how she is 
doing not being on the Winstrol, doxy or pred for over a week. I will 
let you all know. Thanks again for helping us through this tough time.


From: Felvtalk > on behalf of Amani Oakley >
Reply-To: >
Date: Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 4:50 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey - Is this hepatic lipidosis - concerns

Sherri

High levels of jaundice (bilirubin) can cause brain damage and hearing 
loss (ear damage) if left untreated for too long, but I think you were 
on top of things pretty quickly with Bogey. I think the effects will 
fade with time. Do not 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 19

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Randy .

I wouldn't be so quick to rush to judgement about those who put their 
animals down when they become seriously ill... there are fiscal concerns 
to be considered and not everyone has the " hundreds of thousands of 
dollars" to put into uninsurable cats  My two FeLV cats have are 
wiping me out fiscally literally , every penny I had saved for MY 
extra's in retirement are gone and I can't EVEN go back to work because 
one requires medicine 4 times a day.  When humans get terribly ill, 
more often than not there is insurance to lighten the fiscal load AND a 
host of service givers who will come to the house to care for them at 
rates FAR more reasonable than what pet care providers charge ( an 
outrageously overpriced "cottage" industry)..   My own plans for my 
retirement have been, in no uncertain terms, utterly destroyed... I have 
no partner I have no kids, I have no friends that are as attached to 
animals as I am who support me in my( thus far) willingness TO sacrifice 
my retirment to the welfare of these precious little creatures whose 
welfare I take very seriouslyBUT... I am going to reach a point 
where I simply canNOT do it anymore and I really do NOT appreciate being 
regarded as Heartless,cold and selfish if I decide that I have reached 
this point before I no longer have the means to support MYself.. 
I've shed more tears over these cats ( and other unlucky creatures) than 
I care to remember and it will CRUSH me to put either of them down 
but If I'm not fiscally viable I won't even be able to maintain a 
household that would allow me to FOSTER cats in the future




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my neighbors all think I am crazy also, in fact they call me the crazy 
cat lady.  one even said all catsd and stray dogs are good for is 
target practice and I told himstay away from my house or he will end 
up on the ground beside my cats.


You do what gives you pleasure and caring for our cats gives pleasure. 
the love they give us can not be measured and being alone at 76, i 
think i would loose my sanity if they were not here to give me love 
and companship.


 Randy Henke  wrote:
I am new to this mailing list, our precious cat, Curly, having been 
just

recently diagnosed with FELV but already quite sick twice and just
beginning to rally (fingers crossed) from her second bout with severe
anemia and leukopenia.

I just wanted to say how much I admire every one of you here who go 
to such
great lengths for their pets, nursing them back from the brink time 
and

again, spending hundreds or thousands of dollars for treatment after
treatment to give them as much time with us as we possibly can.

My wife and I are both surrounded by friends and co-workers who think 
we

are fools for caring so much about an animal. They ask why we are so
melancholy and then look at us with disbelief when we tell them the 
reason.

Their philosophy is to take good care of their pets but when they get
seriously ill, it's time to put them down and move on.

To me, such thinking could only come from cold, heartless and selfish
individuals. Sometimes I actually envy them because life would be so 
much
easier if I could think like they do. But I can't and I won't. Just 
because
a family member has four legs instead of two doesn't diminish their 
worth

nor does it detract from their will to live. We do them an egregious
disservice by shortening their lives when there are still viable 
options on
the table that can provide additional months or even weeks of quality 
life.


The devotion and empathy that you people have for your cats is so 
touching

to me that I am sitting here right now crying.

God bless every one of you.

Randy





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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FeLV Kitty

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

There are some who believe that Older Cats that have intact immune 
systems are not terribly prone to contracting the Virus  It's a 
difficult call  My somewhat educated guess is that an older cat 
would do OK ( If you consider that many Feral Colonies exist for years 
with most of the cats intact and the odds are relatively high that at 
least a couple in any given colony are FeLV+  I'd be inclined toward 
integrating him or giving him the company of one or another of your cats 
on a rotating basis.    As others have said it's what you are 
comfortable with   I hate seeing animals without playmates...   I 
have two FeLV's and got two SO each would have a playmate...  
Unforunately, one of my boys is Chronically ill and acts far more like a 
geriatric cat and is not able TO be a playmate to my very active one 
I feel badly for both of them and may yet bring a third FeLV into the 
house ( though I would surely Foster this time)..

It is very good of you to look after this boy


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I am new to this group, but not to FIV/Felv. I rescued a sweet 
guy, that personally I think was dumped in my neighborhood. He started 
coming around my home and tried to make it his home, but then he 
stopped coming around. I could only imagine what could have happened 
to him. About a year later he showed up! I was now volunteering with a 
local rescue group and they helped me to trap him and get him fixed. 
We actually had someone that wanted to adopt him, but unfortunately 
when he tested positive they backed out. I felt so bad for him, as he 
was the sweetest fellow. I was planning on sending him to a sanctuary, 
but my husband wanted to try some natural remedies that he had heard 
had amazing effects. They ended up not doing what we had hoped, but in 
the mean time, I had become very attached and felt it wouldn?t benefit 
neither him nor myself to send him away. so, we built him and outdoor 
enclosure that he can go in and out of through the window in his own 
room in the bac
 k of my home. I have other cats, so he had to be isolated. =(  He 
does get company throughout the day between myself and my older son, 
who does his school work on the computer, located in Butch?s room. 
Between the two of us, it sometimes gets to be long nights, so that he 
doesn?t have to be alone for too long.


	I have had Butch now, for almost two years. We think he?s about 4-5 
years old. We have been through the removal of most of his teeth and 
the removal of a small tumor on his foot. He has a great appetite, 
went from 9-14lbs, everything still works. If not for his status, he 
is a very healthy guy. My Vet still doesn?t understand why he is still 
with us. I honestly didn?t think he would be here this long either, 
which brings me to my problem. As much as I try to keep him company, 
he is pretty lonely. I try to play as much as I can with him. Red 
lazor lights, stuffed toys on strings etc? He has a cat tree and other 
places to perch on and in. He has his 8x8 outdoor enclosure with a 
motion light for when he goes outside, but its getting colder out and 
he doesn?t stay out there too long anymore, especially at night, which 
is when I get the most guilty for leaving him alone, but I have to 
sleep sometime. Plus, like I said, I have other kitties that look for 
my attention too. =/



	Does anyone have any suggestions of how I can make his life here not 
so boring? I can?t get another cat with the same status, even though 
that would be golden, but I?d just end up in the same situation when 
one of them passes away. He would love another kitty, which is why he 
came around in the first place, but its not realistic. So any help 
would be great. Also, I was reading a couple of threads about a 
steriod. Does this make it possible for FIV/Felv cats to interact with 
healthy cats? Or does it help in reversing their status? Any info on 
that too would be appreciated.
	Please know, I realize 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 46

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

One thing we all share here is the experience of loss or the potential 
for it... I am so sorry you lost Coco

but gratified that she had someone to love her during her little life..

thank you


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: RIP little girl Coco (Sherri Godschalk)
   2. Re: RIP little girl Coco (Ardy Robertson)
   3. Re: Bogey's checkup today - bad results (Sherri Godschalk)
   4. Re: Bogey's checkup today - bad results (Amani Oakley)


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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 18:04:22 -0400
From: Sherri Godschalk To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RIP little girl 
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So sorry about Coco. Sounds like it was peaceful for her. Thanks for 
loving

and taking care of her. Peace to you

Sherri

From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Kelley S

Reply-To:  Date:  Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 2:49 PM
To:  felvtalk Subject:  [Felvtalk] RIP little girl Coco

Lost my little Coco last night.  It was sudden - she was playing and 
running
around before I went to sleep and when I woke up she was gone. 
Probably

better for her that way as she didn't have to suffer through a long
protracted illness.  Sure does hurt though.

Kelley
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From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RIP little girl 
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Hi Kelley,

I?m so sorry for the loss of little Coco. When my Tigger babe lost his 
battle at 5-1/2 years, I was devastated. Someone from this FeLV chat 
group sent me this poem called Lend Me A Kitten, and I still read it a 
lot. It give me a little solace??I hope it helps you and all the 
others who have given such good care and still had to go through the 
loss.



Lend Me a Kitten

I will lend you a kitten for awhile, God said.
For you to love while he lives, and mourn when he's dead.
Maybe for twelve or fourteen years, or maybe two or three.
But will you, 'till I call him back, take care of him for me?

He'll bring his charms to gladden you, and should his stay be brief
You'll always have his memories as solace for your grief.
I cannot promise he will stay, since all from earth return.
But there are lessons taught below I want this kitten to learn.

I've looked the whole world over, in search of teachers true.
And from the folks that crowd life's land, I have chosen you.
Now will you give him all your love, not think the labor vain?
Nor hate me when I come to take my kitten home again?

I fancied that I heard them say 'Dear Lord Thy Will Be Done'.
For all the joys this kitten brings, the risk of grief we'll run.
We'll shelter him with tenderness, we'll love him while we may.
And for the happiness we've known, forever grateful stay.

But should you call him back, much sooner than we planned,
We'll brave the bitter grief that comes, and try to understand.
If, by our love we've managed your wishes to achieve,
Then in memory of him whom we loved, please help us while we grieve.
When our cherished kitten departs this world of strife,
Please send yet another needing soul for us to love all his life.

Author Unknown




From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Kelley S

Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 1:49 PM
To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] RIP little girl Coco


Lost my little Coco last night.  It was sudden - she was playing and 
running around before I went to sleep and when I woke up she was gone. 
Probably better for her that way as she didn't have to suffer through 
a long protracted illness.  Sure does hurt though.



Kelley

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Armani,
I tried the KFC today, she loved it. So does her mom so that was 
dinner

for both of us.
The only other information on the