Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
Mike, thank you for your insight! I printed your e-mail and will keep it on my desk. Although I haven't had a pet loss in over a year, I do have pets and when that future day comes around when I am, again, in that awful pain I can look at it and be comforted. Thanks. Sally J. Nordstrom Ms. Sally Jo's Oversized Escorts 2629 N. Booth St. Milwaukee, WI 53212 Phone: (414) 687-2333 Fax: (414) 377-4777 e-mail: ms...@sbcglobal.net $1M insurance WA NY Certified GA Amber Light Permit Landstar approved GPS Equipped Passport - will run Canada References available upon request Member CERT (Community Emergency Response Team - Department of Homeland Security) --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Mike Finch jpact...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mike Finch jpact...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 6:52 AM Dear Kim, Your little baby just couldn't do it any more. That's all. Her little precious life just expended itself. All the while she did have life in her, she had the warmth of your loving touch and the softness of your lips against her too, as surely you kissed her a thousand times or more in her brief little life. Love is our only true form of communication with these precious creatures God has blessed us with, so you no doubt talked her little ears off. :) I know you are suffering and questioning yourself. That's natural. Just don't burden yourself with too much of the latter. You didn't intend any harm upon her, so your heart is pure. Please believe that. I cried for you this morning knowing the pain you are feeling, and my heart hurts for you. Let me, and others here, lift you up with our prayers and affirmations of your love and kindness. May God bless you. Mike 3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
Kim, you did not kill your kitten. Your kitten was ill or had a congenital defect and simply was not destined to survive. You gave her love, warmth, security and a full belly. She was very lucky that you found her and she knew it on some level. Be good to yourself. Mourn your loss and take your time. You did your level best and even if you don't know that right now, all the rest of us do and we are hurting because of your pain. You aren't alone and I honor you for the help you gave her and continue to give to the other furbabies that you have now and that will undoubtedly come your way. Sally J. Nordstrom Ms. Sally Jo's Oversized Escorts 2629 N. Booth St. Milwaukee, WI 53212 Phone: (414) 687-2333 Fax: (414) 377-4777 e-mail: ms...@sbcglobal.net $1M insurance WA NY Certified GA Amber Light Permit Landstar approved GPS Equipped Passport - will run Canada References available upon request Member CERT (Community Emergency Response Team - Department of Homeland Security) --- On Sat, 11/6/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 3:28 PM Dear Kim, I am so sorry about your kitten's death! I'm sure that at one time or another, each one of us who has dealt with sick cats and kittens, takes the blame for their death. You did all you could! Your kitten seems to have had some serious health problems and was probably underweight because of them; at 2 months old, she should ideally have weighed almost 2 lbs. I would probably question whether the vet gave her the right dose of dewormer etc. Don't blame yourself...you did NOT kill the kitten! It's so natural for us to question ourselves when something goes wrong! I have just gone through a kitten death two weeks ago. A practically newborn kitten was found in a window-well filled with water after a heavy rain. Someone looked down and saw a tiny orange kitten - under water except for the head. A call went out to anyone who might have a nursing mother - I did and still do. The kitten was probably 4 days old by then...our kittens were already 4 weeks old and gigantic compared to this baby. The mother was very willing to accept little Puddles, but he showed no desire to suckI had to feed him with an eyedropper. All went well, but after 5 days, Puddles didn't want to drink as much KMR and started feeling cold, although I kept him in a small carrier on heated disks for warmth, and fed him every two hours except for 4 hrs at night. I took him to the vet, and as he examined him, Puddles died right then and there...his temperature was only 95.6!. I blamed myself for just about everything, but I know that I did what I could correctly...I have raised so many tiny kittens to adulthood, why not this one? Maybe Puddles never got to drink his mother's milk to get any colostrumswe'll never know. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kim Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 2:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... I am having such a hard time today with my kitten's death. My little kitten that was 2 months old died last night. She weighed 3/4 of a pound. She was the runt of the litter that I had raised since they were four weeks old. She has been a huge challenge for me the month I had her. My vet first thought she had mega esophagus but then wasn't so sure when she threw up roundworms. She had a problem keeping her food down since the very beginning. Anyway, Friday, my vet wormed her, and her three siblings. She was doing great yesterday until around 7 pm. I gave her a small bowl of KMR and shortly afterwards she started having difficulty breathing and was breathing through her mouth. She had eaten canned kitten food earlier and was doing fine. She died while I was holding her trying to give her a sub q injection. I don't know what I was thinking. I know I killed her. She couldn't breathe and I was trying to hold her still and evidently I had her in a position that her breathing worse because she just went limp and died in my hands. It was so fast that I didn't even get to give her any fluids. I knew she was having troubles breathing but yet I held her still and she was unable to breath because of it. I'm having a hard time with her death. She was such a sweet kitten and even though I can't admit it in front of her other three siblings she was my favorite. Can anyone explain this to me? Were the worms fighting the Strongid and migrating to her lungs making her unable to breathe? Did the KMR have something to do with it? I feel so bad. When I saw her throw up the worms Thursday night I told her to hang in there and I would get her all better in the morning after the vet wormed her but instead I feel like I killed her and did
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone.
Alice - I'm so sorry. Thank you for all you do for these babies. Bless you. Sally J. Nordstrom Ms. Sally Jo's Oversized Escorts 2629 N. Booth St. Milwaukee, WI 53212 Phone: (414) 687-2333 Fax: (414) 377-4777 e-mail: ms...@sbcglobal.net $1M insurance WA NY Certified GA Amber Light Permit Landstar approved GPS Equipped Passport - will run Canada References available upon request Member CERT (Community Emergency Response Team - Department of Homeland Security) --- On Tue, 10/26/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, October 26, 2010, 2:20 PM Alice It saddens me greatly to learn of Murphy's passing. Through your posts and the photo, I felt I had come to know the little guy. I am so sorry for you and your family for this loss. I'm saying prayers that Murphy's spirit is guided to The Land Beyond suffering. And may your hearts be eased knowing you did all you could to make his life on this plane as good as possible. Peace. Bonnie - Original Message - From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:54 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone. Murphy has passed to the bridge tonight to join Buster, Oni, Jack and Schatzi-Rosie's 4 brothers that passed last year. He was 2 1/2. Glenn and I saw in his eyes tonight that he was tired. He gave it all he had but in the end FeLV took him too.We will miss him so much-he filled the house with his incredible personality. He always ran to the door to greet everyone-he never knew a stranger. I will miss his big, poly-dactyl feet going clickity-click around the house and how he could leap up the wall and turn the light switch off and on when he chased the laser toy. Rosie will miss giving him vampire kisses-she's a tough love kinda girl and she is the last Mohican of the 6 FeLV+ kitties we began this journey with. Thanks to all of you for your kindness and caring. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add grey and white kitten to the CLS list
Lovey. She was loved at the end and that's what matters. So her name should include the word Love. Sally J. Nordstrom Ms. Sally Jo's Oversized Escorts 2629 N. Booth St. Milwaukee, WI 53212 Phone: (414) 687-2333 Fax: (414) 377-4777 e-mail: ms...@sbcglobal.net $1M insurance WA NY Certified GA Amber Light Permit GPS Equipped References available upon request Member CERT (Community Emergency Response Team - Department of Homeland Security) --- On Mon, 8/16/10, Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net wrote: From: Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add grey and white kitten to the CLS list To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 11:40 PM I received the most beautiful kitten on my doorstep this early morning. She was a medium haired spotted girl. Please help me give her a name as she died on my lap after all efforts failed within 2 hours of her arrival. Her right eye was out of the socket and she had obviously received a tremendous blow. There was tremendous swelling to the right side of her head (this had not happened recently-I feel that the eye had popped from the socket from the cranial swelling). Believe it or not, she was semi-alert and loving, and cried for help. Ice packs were applied to reduce the swelling to the brain, and ALL of the usual veterinary trauma techniques were used in an attempt to save her. No kitten should die like this. Please light a candle for her as if she had been with a loving person for all of her brief life. I can never get the look of love and hope she gave me during her treatment from my mind. Please, please light a candle to light her tiny way. Karen - Original Message - From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:00 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Rocket to the CLS 6/06 - 8/10 Sharyl-thank you for sharing with us-I believe a little bit of all of our babies remain with us if we can share the memories. To know they were so very loved. You are lucky to have had her for the 4 years, fairly free of illness-I envy you. I only pray that we will have a few more good years with ours. Bless you for opening your home and heart to these little waifs. It is so hard to let go-the hole they leave in your heart. Purrayers for Rocket's quick journey to play with her family and all of our kitties. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude
Julie, I just realized these were your posts. I am so sorry. You are so amazing and I know you loved him and cared for him more than anyone else on earth could. All we can do is our best and you did more than that. I have to remind myself of what you said when we lost our little Step Kitty - they are warm and safe and have love and full bellies at the end and that is what matters. Bless you for all you do for our little 'hood kitties. Sally J. Nordstrom Ms. Sally Jo's Oversized Escorts 2629 N. Booth St. Milwaukee, WI 53212 (414) 687-2333 $1M insurance WA Certified GA Amber Light Permit GPS Equipped References available upon request Member CERT (Community Emergency Response Team - Department of Homeland Security) --- On Fri, 8/6/10, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 4:16 AM SO SORRY TO HEAR OF YOUR LOSS, SEEMS WE ARE LOOSING SO MANY LATELY. SO GLAD MY PRIDE IS HEALTHY. THANK GOD EVERY DAY. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: So sorry, Julie. The same thing happened to me a few months ago with a foster kitty. He just acted a little quiet. His blood panel looked good, but they found tumors he went quickly. At least they had some love. Sometimes that's the best you can do. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 8/4/10, Julie G. kisluv...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Julie G. kisluv...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 10:22 AM Thanks Paola, I honestly thought he'd be around a year or so yet! His blood panel didnt show any signs of trouble so I was hopeful. Didnt know what I was gonna DO with him for a year, but that's a different story ;) (I have 4 cats so he was living in the basement). The tumor thing came out of no where and I wasnt expecting it. But hey I didnt know what to expect! Amazing how a little guy can touch your heart so fast! From: paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 10:47:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude Hi Julie, I took in a stray that turned out to be FeLV+ at the same time you did (2 days before 4rth of July) so I really feel for you. My little Angel is doing ok for now, but when I first took him to the vet I was thinking he'd be lasting a month or so as well, and the feeling was terrible and wanted to give him the best time being as possible, not having to wonder where his next meal was coming from or run from other stray/feral cats in the area. Your little Dude had a little luck in the end. From: Julie G. kisluv...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 3:31:17 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude Hi I've been lurking a few weeks. In July I picked up a stray that turned out to be FELV+. In his few weeks with me he gained a pound, had a cushy bed, delicious premium canned food, and all the snuggles I had time to give him, since he lived in the basement while I tried to figure out where he could live (I have 4 cats). I'd watch movies on the laptop with him on my lap, snoozing away happily. He always seemed a little wobbly, and his pupils were always different sizes. But he was relatively happy so we kept on. Last night his back legs didnt work. This had happened before, my pet sitter said, but they always came back on after a while. But this morning they still didnt work. The vet examined and confirmed that he had tumors pressing on his spinal cord. He was in pain and his entire back end didn't do what he wanted it too. So the decision was made to let him go. He'd been living under porches on my block for at least a few months when we finally caught him. I'm so glad we did, I cant imagine what a frustrating, frightening life he'd be having out on the street right now, starving, full of tape worm, and 2 back legs that wont work. I'm crushed that we couldnt give him a better life, and for longer, but I'm glad we got to him when he needed us, and filled his belly and his heart for a few weeks. Safe and comfy and within a foot of food at all times. :) Anyway, I dont know anything about FELV, this was my first introduction to it... so I dont exactly know how the tumors are related (cancer?)... but I wanted to drop a line to folks who understand. He wasnt my kitty for long, but he was my kitty. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] good news about the kitten
Hi, Kathryn. You're right - these folks are the best ever! When I introduced my very inquisitive, rambunctious, 75 lb. dog to the litter of kittens I rescued last fall, I had him on a collar and lead, and put him on a down, stay a lot. The kittens had been here for about 3 weeks, in their own room, and he was used to their scent and knew something very special was behind the door. He was very happy to finally see what it was. We took it slowly and all of the kittens ended up being dog lovers! Sally --- On Thu, 7/2/09, expressprin...@aol.com expressprin...@aol.com wrote: From: expressprin...@aol.com expressprin...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] good news about the kitten To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 6:39 PM Thank you all for?the information. You guys are really the best. If I have any further questions, I'll be sure to ask. I've never actually dealt with a frightened kitten but?I hope I will figure things out.?I will start by getting him his own crate which will be placed in a quite room away from my two dogs. I think we will keep the door closed while he adjusts to his new environment.? Once he is comfortable, I will open the door to the crate and let him look around (my dogs will be out, of course). I am a little concerned as to how my boy dog will behave towards the kitty. He's a rescue and he's good with kittys when he is boarded, I'm not sure what he will think about sharing his home though. Thanks again. Kathryn -Original Message- From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 11:46 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] good news about the kitten YEAH!! Good work! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of expressprin...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 2:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] good news about the kitten I am very happy to report that the rescued kitten does not have feline leukemia. He's just been neutered and given all his shots. He?will be able to come home tomorrow. Other then worms and fleas, the vet thinks he's in good health.? Kathryn -Original Message- From: patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, Jul 2, 2009 9:46 am Subject: [Felvtalk] PUREVAX FELV vaccine I just heard about the PUREVAX FELV vaccine. This is administered with a transdermal technology that does not result in possible injection site sarcomas. Has anyone experience with this or heard anything especially with respect to the efficacy of it compared to the traditional one? Trissa in Philly ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] the dangers fo chemical flea and tick products
I use Bio-Spot on my dog and cats - I buy it at the pet supply store. It's less expensive than the vet's brand and works very well. My dog and I camp and hike and I have never found a flea or tick on him, or on my cats. Sally --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: [Felvtalk] the dangers fo chemical flea and tick products To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:24 PM http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/emails/040909c.html?click=73593 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My cat
When one kitten in a litter I fostered tested positive, my vet said to keep everyone (my vaccinated cat and stray mom and her litter) together. I was so scared, but the folks on this list helped me to realize that this disease may not be as contagious as some think - and my vet concurred. I was lucky - it was a false positive. But because of the wonderful folks on this list I will take in another homeless cat and kittens and not worry at all because all of mine (I kept mom and one of the babies) are vaccinated. Then I will follow my vet's advice and test mom first, then work from there. Thanks to everyone on this list - maybe someday all kitties will have homes regardless of their FeLV status because of your bravery and persistence. Sally --- On Tue, 3/24/09, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Molly Mitchell molly.kathleen.mitch...@gmail.com Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:32 PM i am a little late with this, but as long as the others are vaccinated, don't seperate them. i went thru the same thing and everyone was miserable. since then i have them wherever they want to be and everyone is doing well. each one picks out his/her favorite place to sleep and whenever i sit still very long, they all take turns on my lap. dorlis Molly Mitchell molly.kathleen.mitch...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Yesterday, one of my four cats was diagnosed through the ELIZA test with FeLV, and I am just devastated. He's always been healthy; he's 3 y.o. and I'd had him since he was a kitten, until last year when he escaped while we were moving. He was on the streets for almost four months, then FOUND, and I've had him back since early December. My other three cats (two gotten after the original two disappeared, and one who was found with him and looks like his original sister but subsequently went into heat when she was fixed, so...) tested negative. Right now I have him in my bedroom, totally separate facilities, and he's miserable. I would really appreciate it if anyone had any information about infection rates in negative cats living with infected ones; if it's not safe, I'm going to have to find him a home with other infected cats, because he's too social to be isolated like that. Thanks, Molly ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
For anyone living in Milwaukee, WI, the Wisconsin Humane Society has programs for spay/neuter, vaccinations, and food. It makes sense to have these programs rather than having people surrender their beloved companions - we especially need our babies when everything is going wrong, and it must be less expensive to have these programs than to have to find homes for all of the surrendered pets. Thanks for the reminder to be extra vigilant about our neighbors with the poor economy! Yes we can! - Barack Obama Sally --- On Fri, 3/6/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:41 AM thanks for posting this, sue, because the issue of folks unable to take care of their critters right now, elderly or not, is becoming huge. folks, check with your local shelters to see if any of them run a pet-food bank--a lot actually do. there are ani-meals programs in a number of places, that deliver food for animals to homes where the humans can't afford to get the food, or can't get to the store to pick it up. in some places, there are programs that are funded by the United Way--they just don't get much publicity. social-service agencies SHOULD know about clients who have companion animals in need, and SHOULD be working with animal-welfare groups to help, but it doesn't happen when case loads aren't overwhelming the system, so i'm sure it's not now. sometimes all it takes is stopping long enough to look around: if you have an elderly or disabled neighbor that you know has critters, or is feeding ferals, ask them what kind of food they use because you're into coupons, and you'll keep an eye out (that's not charity, you see)--etc etc etc. MC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Could anyone help?
Where in Wisconsin? If it is Milwaukee County, give me a holler. I have had so many problems with our DA and would be glad to add this to my list when I gripe to the Mayor, County Supervisor, and Governor. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jb...@tds.net Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Could anyone help? You are a wonderful group of people with knowledge and connections that are fantastic. For that reason, I would like to ask for anyone's help or suggestions. There is a 'non-kill', all volunteer animal shelter in my community that is run by a 75 year old horder and her husband (the treasurer). The facility is horrendous condition. Feces, urine and vomit cover the floors, walls and cages. Medical care is all but ignored, disease runs through the facility. In fact they have felv and are ignoring it. I have taken four felv positive cats out of there in less than a year. Three have died. Many, many, many complaints have been made to the sheriff's department, only recently did we get them to present something to the DA's office, but they will not press charges. These are bad people running this facility and the animals suffer badly at their hands. They claim to be a poor facility that can't afford to change the situation, but own 1.7 million in personal property and have recently received $34,000 in donations with no change in the facility. They owe the government, the vet and many others. There is deceit, poor management and constant animal suffering. Does anyone know a lawyer that would be willing to help. The facility is in Wisconsin. We have involved HSUS, PETA, ALDF, the sheriff's department, the town board, local humane officer. Noone can get in to shut the place down. There must be some law that can help. Please help us help these animals. The stories are horrendous and never ending. Thanks Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hello - New to the group
Hi, Jenny. Wisconsin Humane Society will, indeed, euthanize FeLV cats/kittens. They tested a litter I rescued, told me they were positive and asked if I wanted to come and get them or if they should euthanize them. Thanks to this group, I retrieved the kittens. Only one was positive. Again, thanks to this group, my vet re-tested and they were all negative. I placed 3 and kept 1 - they are 4 months old and healthy, happy, and thriving. To think the Humane Society would have killed them all!!! Yes we can! - Barack Obama Sally --- On Mon, 1/12/09, jb...@tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: From: jb...@tds.net jb...@tds.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Hello - New to the group To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:53 AM Hello. My name is Jenny. I recently found out about this group and am so glad it exists. I really need any help or support any of you could give. There is a terrible shelter in West Bend WI that a group of us are trying to get shut down. Unfortunately, feline leukemia is running through the shelter and the manager refuses to acknowledge it. Therefore healthy cats and kittens are coming in, contracting the virus, getting adopted and spreading it to other household cats. Many of the cats there are symptomatic and slowly dying without veterinary care or support. So here is what I would like to ask you. 1. If indeed we are able to shut the facility down we will have probably about 30 fel leuk cats and kittens we will need to fine homes for. Any suggestions on how to go about that. 2. Have any of you had any luck with conventional or alternative medications in either treating the disease or the symptoms? If so, what types of things have you tried? I know I am asking a lot but I am afraid that if this shelter gets shut down the local humane society will put all of these fel leuk positive cats down regardless of symptomatology. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks so much. Jenny Bero ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever
Please be careful when feeding Tyson products. Their chickens are loaded with steriods! Yes we can! - Barack Obama Sally --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Chris ti...@mindspring.com wrote: From: Chris ti...@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 11:07 AM Ingredients off web site Chicken Breast Meat, Water, Seasoning ( Salt, Chicken Broth and Flavors), Modified Food Starch, Sodium Phosphates. Christiane Biagi Cell: 914-720-6888 ti...@mindspring.com Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbpshelter/sets/72157603921945483/ -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of souther...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever I just won't give it to him any more. It's Tyson canned chicken breast. ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp; icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re: keeping them healthy
When the parvovirus first started to hit dogs, when there were puppies in the house we would make everyone who came in spray the bottoms of their shoes with a bleach solution we had in a spray bottle on our porch. Then everyone had to take their shoes off and wash their hands thoroughly before handling the puppies. Did it work? Who knows? We had no vaccine at the time and I did have 2 puppies come down with the virus. But we felt that at least we were killing any viruses of any sort that were on the shoes. --- On Tue, 12/9/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re: keeping them healthy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 9:50 PM just saw article in AARP magazine about a new germ that only Clorox can kill it. it is popping up in hospitals all over. said that if go to hospital, make sure all coming into your room wash hands throughly with lots of soap and water. also bed rails, etc should all be washed down. seems lately, we can get sicker in hospital than at home. one lady died from it. dorlis Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are concerned, you could wipe off your shoes with some type of germ killer before you come in the house. - Original Message - From: Lisa Borden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:32 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re: keeping them healthy I am at work and I just thought of something. I am a nurse and come in contact with human bugs all the time. Is it logical for me to think that I should NOT let ANY of my cats come in contact with my clothes or shoes when I come home? Or are the human bugs not a risk for them. They are usually afraid of my white clothes anyway (cats are so funny), but it's my shoes I am more concerned with. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] LTIC/Imulan Losing kitties
Amber, I'm sorry to hear about baby Parker. One thing that everyone needs to keep in mind all the time - every living thing on this earth will someday die. Nobody knows when or how, and to deprive ourselves of love and affection even for a day, because of what may or may not happen today or tomorrow is a slap in the face to life and love itself. --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Amber Gilewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Amber Gilewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] LTIC/Imulan Losing kitties To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 1:43 PM Hello everyone, I am new to this listserv, but wanted to thank all of you in advance for your insights and kindness! I recently adopted 2 FeLV positive cats, Neo and Parker (1 in April and 1 in September). I knew their lives would be cut short by the illness, but wanted to give them a happy, comfortable life before they left this world. Some friends and family members have given us grief over purposely adopting these sick kitties. I've heard things to the effect of You'll be sad when they die to You're keeping a healthy cat from having a home. But I didn't (and still don't care) what the naysayers have to say. I know that I'm doing a good service to these cats that otherwise would be euthanized before they needed to be or would be without a loving home. Someone (who was in my corner) told me that she worked at a shelter once and no one would even play with the FeLV cats, let alone adopt them. This solidified my belief for the need of loving homes of these forgotten felines! Their happiness is more important than my sadness, as profound as it may be. I'm saddened to report that baby Parker (who we got more recently in September) died on November 8th. It was a sad death as he suddenly collapsed and died a couple of hours later in our home. It was late at night and the emergency vet closest to us was in surgery. Other vet services were an hour or more away. We saw him take his last few breaths and wanted to end his suffering sooner (but couldn't). But he died knowing (hopefully) that he was loved and that he didn't die alone. He was the sweetest cat ever! :( Our other cat, Neo is doing great! He's not showing any symptoms, has put on weight since we got him, and has a strong appetite! I recently read about LTIC/Imulan and told my vet about it. He didn't know too much about it as it's a newer medication, but I asked him to order some for Neo. It's quite expensive, but if I would have known about it sooner I would have tried it on little baby Parker to help him. Since Neo is quite healthy, I'm not sure what effect it will have on him, but I'd do anything to keep him as healthy as we can for as long as we can. I'd be most pleased if anyone tries this with their cat and could tell me how it works out. Also, did your cat have any symptoms before or were they asymptomatic before starting treatment? Thanks for reading and for all that you do for your beloved cats! Amber _ Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the “I’m a PC” Messenger themepack now. hthttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642558/direct/01/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] After Dental extraction - what to feed
I have had success mixing a can of tuna with a can of water, then they can lap it up. Yes we can! - Barack Obama Sally --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] After Dental extraction - what to feed To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 5:12 PM I agree with Chrisanything at all that she will eat. Have you tried Prescription Diet AD? I know that you have already tried baby food--but didn't say what flavor. I have found that ham or chicken works best. Sometimes I put some on my finger or on the tip of a small teaspoon and put it right in the cat's mouth--or I have even used a syringe to squirt a little into the cat's mouth. Hopefully a little start will get Bea interested in eating more. Wonder if she might like some KMR. - Original Message - From: Dawn Morrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] After Dental extraction - what to feed Bea had her dental surgery on Thursday and everything went well. She did have some blood in her urine after she came to and I'll be keeping an eye on that. Because of time and 4 teeth that gave the dr a hard time only the back teeth were extracted. I wish they could have all been done but safety first. Yesterday she seemed to eat okay. She was picky on what she wanted but she was eating. Today she doesn't really want to eat. I've tried just about everything I can think of - wet adult, wet kitten even baby food (no onion/tomato) but she's just not interested. She'll take a couple of licks and that's it. I know she must be in some discomfort even with the pain meds. but I'm not sure what else to try. I have been mixing everything with some water to make sure she's at least staying somewhat hydrated. As far as I know she hasn't taken a drink from the water bowl yet. Does anyone have any suggestions on what else I might get her to eat? I know she's hungry because she'll follow me into the kitchen and sit in front of where I prepare her food normally. Thanks Dawn ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] So now what?
When my P'Nut tested positive at 8 weeks old, we re-tested at 10 weeks. Negative. My vet said it's not at all unusual to get a false positive on an ELISA test, that there are many factors that could cause a kitten/cat to throw a false positive - not just being exposed to the virus. Yes we can! - Barack Obama Sally --- On Wed, 11/19/08, Lisa Borden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lisa Borden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] So now what? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 6:00 AM No, Tonya ... he has no symptoms except for the diarrhea. I took him to a holistic vet yesterday who started him on some homeopathic antivirals and DMG. They are also eating a high protein food - 46% - I know there are higher ones out there but my adult cats are VERY picky and they all like this one that we have chosen. I really like the holistic vet. She told me to keep his vaccinations to a minimum so as to not stress his immune system, and don't vaccinate him for rabies. And to go ahead and have him neutered when he's 6 months old. He's such an adorable, loving, playful, happy kitten! And to think I could have sent him to the bridge unnecessarily. :( On Wed 19/11/08 5:23 AM , catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: He has already exposed your other cats. they are adults and vaccinated. there is like a 1% chance they are going to get the felv from this kitten. Wait about 3 months and retest your kitten and you may find he is negative after all. cats test positive when they have been recently exposed. once time has passed they sometimes retest negative. Keep the faith! Your little one may still fight this off. Do you see any symptoms besides the diarrhea (which lots of kittens have!) I also would start shopping around for a more educated vet. take care, tonya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tweezer sneezing blood
My vet gave my Lysine in a gel form. I put a little bit on their paws and they lick it off. Yes we can! - Barack Obama Sally --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Brenda Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Brenda Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tweezer sneezing blood To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 1:45 PM Hi Sue, This is the second half of the information I rec'd from Dr. Fiona from Just answer.com 2. Long term antibiotics. My own cat had this problem when I adopted him. I kept him on (clindamycin) for 6 weeks. Here is more about this antibiotic: http://www.petplace.com/drug-library/clindamycin-antirobe/page1.aspx I am not suggesting that the antibiotics your vet has chosen are not appropriate… the truth is that unless we do a culture (take a sample of the nasal discharge from the back of the throat and send it to a lab for analysis) we are just guessing what might be growing in there and what antibiotic might kill it. A culture and sensitivity test gives us answers! More about this test here: http://www.petplace.com/cats/culture-and-sensitivity-in-cats/page1.aspx 3. Antibiotic nasal drops are quite effective. I use gentocin ophthalmic instilled intranasally like a nasal spray twice daily. 4. If you want to try something without going back to your vet, go to the pharmacy and ask for ophthalmic saline, or have a look in the contact lens section. What you want it just sterile saline drops to relieve dry eyes - NO medication in it. The pharmacist should be able to point it out to you. Put one drop in each nostril twice daily. The idea is that you are helping to moisten the area so your cat can sneeze out any congestion in there. Continue for a week. 5. You can also try steaming him in the bathroom 2 or 3 times a day. Basically, you take him in, close the door and turn on a hot shower. The steam will also help to loosen any congestion in his nasal sinuses so he can sneeze it out. 6. Consider buying a humidifier. This works the same way as the steaming in the bathroom.. 7. He may need 2 antibiotics given at the same time for a longer period of time. I like zithromax and baytril together. 8. He may have a resistant infection of Pseudomonas in there. This means it is resistant to most antibiotics. If other antibiotics haven't worked, ask your vet about carbenicillin as it is a drug that seems to work well in some of these cases. Here is more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbenicillin 9. Another medication to consider is Famciclovir. It is expensive! It is an anti-viral medication. Here is more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famciclovir 10. Herpes virus may be part of the problem. So, it may be useful to put your cat on Lysine capsules. Herpes viruses need an amino acid called arginine to replicate and survive. If you give lysine, it substitutes in for arginine but does NOT allow the virus to replicate! Thus, it can stop the virus and really help the cat's immune system to win. You can pick up Lysine at most health food stores. I usually suggest that cats be given 250mg twice daily for 3 weeks. The capsules with powder in them are easiest to give, as you can simply open it, and mix the powder in with some canned food. You can read more about it here: http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm I hope this info. has been helpful to you and Tweezer. From: Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:55:30 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Tweezer sneezing blood My two year old FeLV+ kitty Tweezer has been sneezing blood for a few days. (At first we didn't know where it was coming from, we were just seeing tiny blood droplets on the floor.) Last night we saw what was happening. He sounds a little stuffy, but he has sounded that way since we got him. My problem is that my usual vet who is good with my positive kittys is on vacation until the 24th of November. I personally consider the associates in his practice to be less then adequate for a positive kittys specail problems. I am trying to decide if I should wait for my usual vet (Possibly start Tweezer on some Doxycycline in the mean time), take them to one of the other vets in the practice and hope that this problem is something they can handle, or maybe take him to an internist I have been to before with one of my other cats. I guess it all depends on why this is happening to him. Has anyone ever had a cat sneeze blood droplets? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
Lisa, I had a kitten come up positive for FeLV on a Snap test. When the others, plus mom, tested negative, my vet said she thought it was suspicious and that I could stop isolating her. Happily, she just tested negative and the vet's pretty sure it was a false positive. Stick with this group! They are a wealth of information and inspiration, and you will know what to ask your vet when you go. You will also get a feel for if your vet is up to speed on leukemia by reading these posts. Yes we can! - Barack Obama Sally --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 6:06 AM Hi Lisa Forti-Flora will be fine for a kitten. I used it successfully with mine. I am rushing out and will write more later. Jane On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:55 AM, Lisa Borden wrote: I am so happy to have found this list. Two weeks ago, I took in a 3 month old kitten. He's a beautiful orange kitten and I've fallen in love with him. Yesterday I took him to the vet for his vaccines, and we ran an FeLV/FIV snap test. It came back positive for FeLV. We sent off the other test (IFA?) to the lab and I await those results. I have two other cats - one is almost 4 (male) and one is 2 (female). They have both been vaccinated against FeLV. My male in particular has become close with the kitten. it proved to be impractical to isolate the kitten as he just cried and cried ... and escaped every time I opened the door. So I decided to supervise them, make sure they don't fight, keep a clean litterbox, etc. and I just let him back out with my other cats. From the couple of posts I have read, I see I am not the only one. And my vet was so adament about keeping the baby isolated. He does have diarrhea, and I was looking at probiotics. Can something like Fortiflora harm him if he does have a compromised immune system? I understand I would be giving him good bacteria to balance things out. He was negative for worms. Thank you for any info, and I look forward to the group, regardless of the test results. My kitten is active, and is a LOVE ... and he isn't going anywhere! Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] felv kitties and their people
About 2 weeks ago I found this group when I was told a litter of kittens I rescued from my alley was FeLV+. As it turned out, the Humane Society had made a mistake - they are all negative. In the few days I was asking questions everyone was so kind and so forthright - thank you for your knowledge and concern. It made the fear and dread go away. You are a great group of people and I hope it's okay to read the messages you send back and forth - I learned a lot! Not just about FeLV, but about hope and love, too. When I thought my babies were FeLV+, the things you wrote made me see that they were no different than any other cats. They can, and some do, live long and healthy lives. They love and play and purr. If I ever do find a cat that has leukemia or any of the other diseases you discuss, I won't be afraid, I'll just keep on loving it and accepting the love it gives to me. Bless all of you. Yes we can! - Barack Obama Sally --- On Mon, 11/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] felv kitties and their people To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 8:10 PM i think the best part of this group is everyone is so loving and caring. it really does help to know there is someone out there who understands and shares your love for our babies. grief is a little easier to bear when you can share it with someone. thank all of you for being there for everyone who has lost one close to their heart. dorlis ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
MC, do you mind if I pass this along to my neighborhood association website? There's a lot of fear out there. When I brought the kittens home, I chose to stop crying, get educated, and move on. I would like others to benefit from your post. --- On Mon, 11/3/08, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 2:42 PM see, i would say keep them together, because they've probably already been as exposed as they're gonna be, and if mom is negative, it means their exposure is probably from great-aunt tabby, the neighborhood nursemaid. we don't really know for sure how FeLV works in kittens who don't get it from their moms, nor if a mom who is negative after birth was positive in early pregnancy but passed it out of her system while pregnant, or if she DID do that, if maybe she passed some of her strong-enough-to-do-that immunities on to the babies! mom's being negative, tho, is a very good sign for the strength of the genetic side of things. and with four negatives already, you may just have come in on the tail end of the exposure curve on that one (yes, i DO tend to be more optimistic, because when only 30% of cats who test positive remain infected, and vaccinated cats who are really negative don't ever seem to get the virus even when in close proximity with other cats, well, i am nowhere near as frightened of the CONTAGION element of this virus than i used to be. the results of it, when activated? that's a different story altogether. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] my kittens!
Thanks for your response, Tonya. I found out a lot of things, one of which is to stop crying, calm down and get to work. I have a wonderful vet who looked at the paper work and said only 1 of four kittens tested positive. We tested Mom - negative. We will test the positive kitten with the more definitive test in a few weeks. In the meantime, I need to place the three negatives - I am willing to pay for their second ELISA test, and am telling people that we don't know right now. All we know is that they must be the only cats in the house until we find out, and that if positive, they can live long and healthy lives with other positives. They are spayed/neutered, have their first shots and have been wormed. They are sociable and self-confident. If anyone can help out by opening their home, or know someone who can, please contact me! Thanks to everyone on this site who has helped me so much. Whatever happens, I know I'll always have you guys. Cowardice asks the question, is it safe? Vanity asks the question, is it popular? But conscience asks the question, is it right? Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Sally --- On Sun, 11/2/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] my kittens! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 4:54 PM I'm sure you've had many responses by now, but the answer is a big no. I've got a 10 year old leukemia positive on my bed with me right now. Fat, sassy, and happy. tonya SALLY NORDSTROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I rescued a litter of kittens and they have been diagnosed with feline leukemia. Is this necessarily a death sentence? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
My vet said to keep them together, that's what I did. I kinda figured they should be separate, but my vet doesn't seem real concerned since Mom tested negative. The way she put it was that right now, anyway, we have 4 negatives and a positive. Apparently, because they are only 8 weeks old, if mom is indeed negative, they would have been exposed at about 3-4 weeks old and it would be unlikely that mom would have let any other cats that close to them. (this is a litter I found in my alley) Any thoughts? --- On Sun, 11/2/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 6:51 PM my opinion would be leave them together. they've already been together. the ones that are negative may have been positive and fought it off. if so they are probably now immune. t Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My two cents... even though they were all exposed equally. I would keep them apart. Repeated exposure is needed for infection to occur. So even though they are not positive now it could still happen. If you get to the point where the negative kitens are still negative after a few months and have had their vaccines you may be able to mix them then. For now I would separate. IMHO Sally(in VA) On 10/29/08, SALLY NORDSTROM wrote: Ok, guys, now I need more help! I picked the kittens up tonight and after I got home, I saw that only one tested positive. Can the other kittens be with her? Even though they tested negative, is the Humane Society worried that the others will eventually test positive? I don't understand any of this! --- On Wed, 10/29/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:29 PM Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See Jean Dodds' and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The paragraph below is taken from the website.) Kerry M. http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html All packages of vaccinations carry warnings that they should be injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats, vaccine manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or nursing cats. However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although they might not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops, DVM, a holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes that chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected directly into the blood stream, which is an unnatural route of infection. (7) This causes the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the offending virus molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's immune system is too weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can develop a reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that is introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick animals to fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to which they have been vaccinated. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SALLY NORDSTROM Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive Another question. My kittens tested positive with the ELISA test. May they have their vaccines? Mom gets tested Friday. If positive, may she have her vaccines? May she be spayed? _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny
Re: [Felvtalk] tests
You and the others on this site are ANGELS! You will be glad to know that I stopped crying, called my vet, and have a plan of action. Please, keep us in your hearts and heads, I will be asking a lot of questions in the months to come because I am keeping the mom. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Saehwa Kang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Saehwa Kang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] tests To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 10:36 AM The ELISA test takes a blood sample from the lower leg, and is inexpensive. It's not that accurate, as there are false positives and sometimes false negatives. We had 2 three month old kittens who became negative within 1 month, and one that became negative 3 months later. You can retest after about 2-3 months with the Elisa again. Better yet is the IFA test. It checks whether the felv has reached the bone marrow- the vet sends a blood sample to a lab and is a tad more expensive but much more accurate. However,the best alternative after a positice elisa test is the new PCR test. It's so new you won't see it in many google searches. It can detect even minute quanitites of the virus and is the most accurate test out there- also sent to the lab. Best after two consecutive positive ELISA tests. Your kitties can fight off the virus and change to negative though it's not guaranteed. They probably got it from their mother. Many kittens can and do fight it off which is why early testinf is often inaccurate. In order to do so, you'll need to provide a low stress environment, indoor only home to reduce exposure to germs, premium food mostly canned (wellness, innova evo, natures variety instinct,etc), clean the litterbox and dishes daily and have more than one box, vaccuum and keep them flea and worm free, as well as spend time playing with the kittens and giving them affection, toys, warm places to sleep. There are no guarantees but it is possible to go from positive to negative. Just takes dedication and having hope... And others will tell you a felv positive diagnosis is not a death sentence! There are plenty of people here who have healthy cats with felv that have had long lives. I don't know about financial assistance, but you should try and talk to your vet about payment options. The cheapest ELISA test I found ran about $25-30 here in LA. Also, you can do you best to change their positive status to negative in the next few months. Even if they don't, you can adopt them out when they are a bit older after you've tried or just try to adopt them out now and tell people they are positive for now but could change.. On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:51 PM, SALLY NORDSTROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm getting real confused about the available tests and their accuracy. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? I had to file a bankruptcy and can't afford testing. Is there someplace that can give me help? How hard is it going to be to place my rescued kittens in homes? What resources should I be using? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
Another question. My kittens tested positive with the ELISA test. May they have their vaccines? Mom gets tested Friday. If positive, may she have her vaccines? May she be spayed? --- On Wed, 10/29/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 3:16 PM Brenda, You're an angel for opening your heart and home to Spazzy. Thank you on behalf of all homeless kitties, and particularly FeLV kitts. You've come to the right place for info. My first advice would be to find an informed, FeLV-competent vet. While your vet sounds nice, nice won't help Spazzy if she's uninformed about FeLV. And it's evident from your email that you are better informed than your vet---definitely do not allow her to vaccinate Spazzy. Also, keep Spazzy indoors. It stops him from spreading the FeLV and prevents him from coming into contact with cats that may pass on other illnesses to him. As you already learned, the most important goal is to do everything possible to help his immune system. In my opinion, if a cat is enjoying life--alert, playing, eating, enjoying cuddles etc--there is every reason to help him continue to do so. To that end, buy the highest quality cat food you can afford--ideally, one without by-products, additives or preservatives. (Last time I looked, Iams didn't measure up). Add 500mg L-Lysine--grind it to a powder--to his food morning and night. Add a teaspoon of Anitra Frazier's vita-mineral-mix recipe twice a day. (See recipe below.) Wholefoods or a health store should have all the ingredients, and you can make enough at one time to keep you going for weeks. And provide as stress-free an environment as you can---lots of attention, cuddles and care goes a long way to boosting the immune system. Some cats will throw off the virus--one of my 5 FeLV cats is now negative. (The others succumbed around the age of 2.) The test your vet likely means is an IFA test, to find out if the FeLV is in the bone marrow. Once in the bone marrow, the FeLV is confirmed, and won't be thrown off. Ask her what medication she is referring to--feline interferon? Immunoregulin? Here's the Vita-Mineral Mix recipe. Into the wet food, morning and night, I mix: 1 tsp Vita-Mineral Mix which is made up of: 1 1/2 cups yeast powder (brewer's yeast, nutritional yeast or tarula). (I use nutritional yeast.) 1/4 cup kelp powder or 1/4 cup mixed trace mineral powder (I found kelp first, so I use that) 1 cup lecithin granules 2 cups wheat bran 2 cups bonemeal. Here's another excerpt from the same book---The New Natural Cat--A Complete Guide for Finicky Owners, by Anitra Frazier-- it's in the Feline Leukemia section on pages 326/327): When a positive cat---one carrying the virus--comes into contact with a negative cat--one not carrying the virus--the negative, but exposed cat may: *not become affected in any way; *become infected (positive), develop immunity, and revert again to being negative; *become positive, but not become ill and remain positive--thus becoming a new carrier of the virus; *become positive and develop lymphosarcoma, leukemia, or other cancer; or *become positive and be ill from the virus infection, much like flu; and then recover and remain positive or become negative. A positive cat who has not developed cancer can be tested again in three months. If he has been treated by an experienced veterinary homeopath and put on a high-quality diet designed to build general health and strengthen the immune system, chances are good that he will have reverted to negative. (my emphasis) You will get lots more great advice here. Bless you for loving and looking out for Snazzy. Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Waterson Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive Hello, I recently took in a stray cat that had been hanging around my neighborhood for some time. He's such a nice boy and I had been feeding him for a few months before I took him in. What made me take him in was he became very sick with an upper respiratory infection and I had just felt so bad because the mucous that was coming from his nose was green, not too mention he was having a hard time breathing. I took him to my Vet who said he was a very sick kitty, he was close to pneumonia treated him with antibiotics and sent us home. I was to follow up with vaccinations and a neuter. He did finish his course of antibiotics, and days after I went on a family vacation for 10 days. My pet sitter stopped by daily to feed my animals, and walk the dogs. I received a call from the pet sitter stating she was sorry but
Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
Ok, guys, now I need more help! I picked the kittens up tonight and after I got home, I saw that only one tested positive. Can the other kittens be with her? Even though they tested negative, is the Humane Society worried that the others will eventually test positive? I don't understand any of this! --- On Wed, 10/29/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:29 PM Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See Jean Dodds' and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The paragraph below is taken from the website.) Kerry M. http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html All packages of vaccinations carry warnings that they should be injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats, vaccine manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or nursing cats. However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although they might not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops, DVM, a holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes that chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected directly into the blood stream, which is an unnatural route of infection. (7) This causes the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the offending virus molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's immune system is too weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can develop a reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that is introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick animals to fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to which they have been vaccinated. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SALLY NORDSTROM Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive Another question. My kittens tested positive with the ELISA test. May they have their vaccines? Mom gets tested Friday. If positive, may she have her vaccines? May she be spayed? _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] my kittens!
I rescued a litter of kittens and they have been diagnosed with feline leukemia. Is this necessarily a death sentence? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] my kittens!
I think I need to stop crying. --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] my kittens! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:37 PM My two positives, Squeaky and Stripes lived to ages 22 years and 16 years. Squeaky was never sick until his final three weeks of life after he was diagnosed with oral cancer. Stripes was sick on and off his entire life but nothing serious. Isabella was very sick 18 months ago. Has doubled her weight and is the PICTURE of health! She's somewhere between 2 and 5 years of age, estimated. Laurie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] my kittens! not in the least. i have cats that have been feluk since birth and some of them are as old as 12 In a message dated 10/28/2008 7:31:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I rescued a litter of kittens and they have been diagnosed with feline leukemia. Is this necessarily a death sentence? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org **Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame0001) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] tests
I'm getting real confused about the available tests and their accuracy. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? I had to file a bankruptcy and can't afford testing. Is there someplace that can give me help? How hard is it going to be to place my rescued kittens in homes? What resources should I be using? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
