Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Lorrie]

My vet never tried to talk me into euthanizing a FelV cat either.


On 05-16, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> GOOD VET!
> 

>  Rachel Dagner  wrote: 

> > When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his
> > leg and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out
> > he didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots
> > she me if I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go
> > outside too. We tested him first and it came back positive :(.
> > She told me he could live three months or a long normal life
> > there was just no telling. She never even said the word
> > euthanize.
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[dlgegg]

GOOD VET!

 Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> wrote: 
> When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg and I 
> took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he didn't need shots 
> for six months. When I took him for shots she me if I wanted the felv vaccine 
> because I used to let him go outside too. We tested him first and it came 
> back positive :(. She told me he could live three months or a long normal 
> life there was just no telling. She never even said the word euthanize.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net> <dlg...@windstream.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or keep Annie, 
> treat her and hope.  I would have walked out the door and never returned if 
> he only had one solution.  Find another vet.
> 
> 
>  Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, 
>> especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you are 
>> told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there are no 
>> options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home and get my 
>> other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing!  I said “no”!  If 
>> there was a website that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV 
>> crises, that would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and 
>> while I was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets 
>> wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, valuable time 
>> was slipping away and Tigg’s blood counts were taking a dive. They didn’t 
>> really explain anything about the blood test results.  I basically had to 
>> learn everything from reading online.  For instance I did not know that 
>> stress can bring on a crisis.  We had brought a stray into our house, and 
>> she was running up behind Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that 
>> was high.  I also learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus 
>> spreads to other cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of 
>> age because their immune system can usually defend them from it.  That is 
>> also how I found this group online.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the bone 
>> marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take a chance on 
>> it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to get Winstrol, also 
>> known as Stanozolol.  I found a source in Canada, but they were not able to 
>> ship into the US.  I live in Wisconsin, so I had to find a source in the US. 
>>  Again, as a novice, I did not have the information I needed to make any 
>> meaningful decisions. I happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do 
>> the searching for ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a 
>> loving cat owner who just doesn’t happen to be able to find things online 
>> easily, would do! So the need for information is critical……both for cat 
>> owners, and eventually to change the minds of the veterinary community! I 
>> hope one day, they will actually SUGGEST it to cat parents.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share Tigger’s 
>> treatment details, along with his blood test results. Even though we 
>> eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional time with him – and 
>> it was good quality time with him feeling very good, and playful most of the 
>> time. I also feel he may have pulled through this particular crisis if I had 
>> started this treatment regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I 
>> could be wrong, but I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the 
>> cat, waiting for some period of stress in the cat’s life, and then it pops 
>> up and attacks in varying ways. If the owner is able to get the cat through 
>> that particular crisis, then I think it sometimes backs off again, possibly 
>> for very long periods, especially if the cat’s stress levels can be kept low.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Ardy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Rachel Dagner
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a 
>> name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? 
&

Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Rachel

Truth be told, I would much rather be with my cats than working well into the 
night at my office. I am awaiting the arrival of a new baby who I am told is 
palliative. She has cancer. I am going to do my best to make her happy and 
comfortable, but I have never simply accepted a death sentence so I will see 
what I can do when she arrives.

I am looking forward to any feedback on a website where we can gather the 
necessary information to help others with FeLV cats.

Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: May-15-16 11:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a 
name! Can we post pictures when we send messages?

Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in and 
that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours worth it. 
That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when you have so 
little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart and a 
beautiful soul.

A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead 
of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places 
where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one.  But I am good at 
researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley 
<aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Hi Rachel

I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about 4:30 
a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as my 
partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t get up 
early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, I don’t 
have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to court 
for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the world, 
but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to bed at all. Fun, eh? 
And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of Medical Laboratory 
Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I hated having to do midnight 
shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up ALL night and work all day TOO.

Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me when it 
comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect the information about 
Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us to collect credible objective 
scientific information if we are going to convince the vets to stop their 
ridiculous crusade against Winstrol. At worst, the drug may end up not being 
very effective in a particular case, but it isn’t a demon drug to be avoided at 
all costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol sooner would 
likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking, that when Winstrol 
is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad shape, all else has failed, and we 
are asking for a miracle. I have a lot of faith in Winstrol, but I know full 
well it doesn’t always work. However, I have used it and gotten amazing results 
in circumstances where the vets have told me that there is nothing they have to 
offer, and nothing will work. So why not try the Winstrol? I simply don’t get 
the reluctance.

I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep track of 
anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they obtained it. 
Unfortunately, often people will not respond with that information when I ask. 
Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a fed, posing as a cat-lover to trap 
unwary online folks, looking to save their babies. And I wouldn’t want to 
expose my vet to criticism from colleagues. I think she is less of a skeptic 
than most, because I let her know what I have seen, but she came in mid-way 
during my ordeal with Zander. She wasn’t the first vet who diagnosed him and 
she never saw how bad he was because by then, I was at the ER clinic. However, 
she allowed me to try various medications regimes, and allowed me to take the 
weekly blood work while I assessed the different treatment modalities to 
determine what was working and what wasn’t. She saw Zander improve and was 
extremely impressed, but you know, once he recovered from what was deemed to be 
a death sentence, and after there was some daylight between the crisis and his 
current excellent condition, vets started to suggest to me that maybe it wasn’t 
FeLV after all. REALLY frustrating. There is no way to convince someone who 
insists on not being convinced – even with weekly lab results in hand and 
before and after lab results. Anyway, all that to say that if push comes to 
shove, I think my vet believes that the Winstrol saved Zander, but if 
confronted by other vets, I am sure she would temper h

Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg and I took 
him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he didn't need shots for six 
months. When I took him for shots she me if I wanted the felv vaccine because I 
used to let him go outside too. We tested him first and it came back positive 
:(. She told me he could live three months or a long normal life there was just 
no telling. She never even said the word euthanize.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net> <dlg...@windstream.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or keep Annie, 
> treat her and hope.  I would have walked out the door and never returned if 
> he only had one solution.  Find another vet.
> 
> 
>  Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, 
>> especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you are 
>> told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there are no 
>> options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home and get my 
>> other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing!  I said “no”!  If 
>> there was a website that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV 
>> crises, that would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and 
>> while I was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets 
>> wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, valuable time 
>> was slipping away and Tigg’s blood counts were taking a dive. They didn’t 
>> really explain anything about the blood test results.  I basically had to 
>> learn everything from reading online.  For instance I did not know that 
>> stress can bring on a crisis.  We had brought a stray into our house, and 
>> she was running up behind Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that 
>> was high.  I also learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus 
>> spreads to other cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of 
>> age because their immune system can usually defend them from it.  That is 
>> also how I found this group online.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the bone 
>> marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take a chance on 
>> it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to get Winstrol, also 
>> known as Stanozolol.  I found a source in Canada, but they were not able to 
>> ship into the US.  I live in Wisconsin, so I had to find a source in the US. 
>>  Again, as a novice, I did not have the information I needed to make any 
>> meaningful decisions. I happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do 
>> the searching for ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a 
>> loving cat owner who just doesn’t happen to be able to find things online 
>> easily, would do! So the need for information is critical……both for cat 
>> owners, and eventually to change the minds of the veterinary community! I 
>> hope one day, they will actually SUGGEST it to cat parents.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share Tigger’s 
>> treatment details, along with his blood test results. Even though we 
>> eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional time with him – and 
>> it was good quality time with him feeling very good, and playful most of the 
>> time. I also feel he may have pulled through this particular crisis if I had 
>> started this treatment regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I 
>> could be wrong, but I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the 
>> cat, waiting for some period of stress in the cat’s life, and then it pops 
>> up and attacks in varying ways. If the owner is able to get the cat through 
>> that particular crisis, then I think it sometimes backs off again, possibly 
>> for very long periods, especially if the cat’s stress levels can be kept low.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Ardy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Rachel Dagner
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a 
>> name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do somethi

Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[dlgegg]

weekly lab results in hand and before and after lab 
> > results. Anyway, all that to say that if push comes to shove, I think my 
> > vet believes that the Winstrol saved Zander, but if confronted by other 
> > vets, I am sure she would temper her comments so she doesn’t appear foolish 
> > and out of step to them.
> >  
> > Ardy was generous with her information about where she was able to obtain 
> > the Winstrol and shared it with everyone, and it seems to me that this may 
> > be the most promising route. The trouble isn’t getting the Winstrol once 
> > you have a prescription – the problem is getting that prescription from 
> > your vet. Once you have that, you can order the medication online from a 
> > compounding pharmacy and Ardy let us know about the one she used which 
> > shipped to her from another state.
> >  
> > I think each of us who wants to try out the Winstrol, needs to have a talk 
> > with our vets, and explain to them that they are providing little in the 
> > way of options except euthanasia, and a trial of Winstrol is inexpensive 
> > and certainly not painful to the cat, so rather than simply putting the cat 
> > down, why not trying the Winstrol. Tell them that you understand the risk 
> > of liver damage, and again, given the alternative, you accept and recognize 
> > that risk but it is your understanding that while the liver enzymes often 
> > rise with the use of Winstrol, there is no evidence or scientific trials 
> > linking the use of Winstrol to any lasting liver damage. In the end, you 
> > are in charge. Of course the vet can refuse to provide the Winstrol and can 
> > decide he/she doesn’t want you for a client, so remain calm and not 
> > belligerent if you want to avoid that outcome. I would like to think that 
> > most vets, when faced with a logical, measured decision to try a specific 
> > course of treatment, would assist even if you don’t have their full support 
> > on the chosen treatment.
> >  
> > I think that once we have some helpful vet names, these also can be shared 
> > so people know where they can go where they will get the support they need 
> > for their FeLV cats. If anyone is situated near Toronto, Ontario, Canada, I 
> > am happy to provide them with my vet’s name and location. She is very kind, 
> > really cares about my cats, and respects my input very much, so we get 
> > along just fine. I have moved away from where the clinic is located and now 
> > have to travel close to an hour to take my cats there, but I just feel up 
> > to going through the same battle with another vet right now, so I’ll stick 
> > to the ones who have known me for decades and respect my decisions.
> >  
> > Remember too that I used a number of medications with the Winstrol. I used 
> > prednisone, Winstrol, metoclopramide (Zander seemed to have problems 
> > passing stool for a while and research online shows that FeLV affects the 
> > intestinal walls as well – metoclopramide was VERY helpful to get the stool 
> > moving regularly and I believe without the stool sitting still in one area 
> > of the intestinal tract, it took away the environment which encouraged the 
> > intestinal walls to be attacked and become inflamed), and Doxycycline. When 
> > I was trying help Ardy with Tigger, her vet wanted Tigger on Convenia and 
> > so as to “pick our battles”, I told Ardy to accept the Convenia instead of 
> > the Doxycyclne and we would play it by ear. I knew of course that 
> > antibiotics don’t kill viruses, and I couldn’t remember why Doxycycline was 
> > so important. I figured I had used it for covering for potential secondary 
> > infections. However, after seeing some blasts showing up on the blood work, 
> > I reconsidered and remembered that Doxycycline actually works to block RNA 
> > synthesis, which is how the virus reproduces, so while the Winstrol was 
> > working to restore progenitor cells in the bone marrow to get new blood 
> > cells produced, the Doxycycline was blocking the virus from continuing to 
> > reproduce unchecked.
> >  
> > And Rachel – I am not “that” kind of a lawyer, so I can’t defend you from a 
> > drug charge, but I do have contacts across the U.S., so I promise to get 
> > you help should you end up in trouble because of my preaching about 
> > WinstrolJ. I am a medical malpractice lawyer - Google me – I figured I 
> > would put my scientific and medical knowledge to good use when I left the 
> > medical field behind.
> >  
> > See – not all lawyers are bad!
> >  
> > Amani
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > From:

Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[dlgegg]

I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or keep Annie, 
treat her and hope.  I would have walked out the door and never returned if he 
only had one solution.  Find another vet.


 Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
> Hello,
> 
> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, 
> especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you are 
> told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there are no 
> options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home and get my 
> other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing!  I said “no”!  If 
> there was a website that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV 
> crises, that would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and 
> while I was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets 
> wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, valuable time was 
> slipping away and Tigg’s blood counts were taking a dive. They didn’t really 
> explain anything about the blood test results.  I basically had to learn 
> everything from reading online.  For instance I did not know that stress can 
> bring on a crisis.  We had brought a stray into our house, and she was 
> running up behind Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that was high.  
> I also learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus spreads to other 
> cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of age because their 
> immune system can usually defend them from it.  That is also how I found this 
> group online.
> 
>  
> 
> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the bone 
> marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take a chance on 
> it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to get Winstrol, also 
> known as Stanozolol.  I found a source in Canada, but they were not able to 
> ship into the US.  I live in Wisconsin, so I had to find a source in the US.  
> Again, as a novice, I did not have the information I needed to make any 
> meaningful decisions. I happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do 
> the searching for ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a loving 
> cat owner who just doesn’t happen to be able to find things online easily, 
> would do! So the need for information is critical……both for cat owners, and 
> eventually to change the minds of the veterinary community! I hope one day, 
> they will actually SUGGEST it to cat parents.
> 
>  
> 
> If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share Tigger’s 
> treatment details, along with his blood test results. Even though we 
> eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional time with him – and 
> it was good quality time with him feeling very good, and playful most of the 
> time. I also feel he may have pulled through this particular crisis if I had 
> started this treatment regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I could 
> be wrong, but I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the cat, 
> waiting for some period of stress in the cat’s life, and then it pops up and 
> attacks in varying ways. If the owner is able to get the cat through that 
> particular crisis, then I think it sometimes backs off again, possibly for 
> very long periods, especially if the cat’s stress levels can be kept low.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Ardy
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
> 
>  
> 
> I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a 
> name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? 
> 
>  
> 
> Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in 
> and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours 
> worth it. That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when 
> you have so little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart 
> and a beautiful soul. 
> 
>  
> 
> A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead 
> of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places 
> where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one.  But I am good 
> at researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com 
> <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote:
> 
> Hi Rachel
> 
>  
> 
> I AM working today. I got up late si

Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

Hello,

If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, 
especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you are 
told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there are no 
options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home and get my 
other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing!  I said “no”!  If 
there was a website that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV 
crises, that would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and while 
I was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets wanted Tigger 
to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, valuable time was slipping away 
and Tigg’s blood counts were taking a dive. They didn’t really explain anything 
about the blood test results.  I basically had to learn everything from reading 
online.  For instance I did not know that stress can bring on a crisis.  We had 
brought a stray into our house, and she was running up behind Tigger and biting 
him hard. His stress from that was high.  I also learned from reading online 
that while the FeLV virus spreads to other cats, it is hardly ever spread to a 
cat over 11 months of age because their immune system can usually defend them 
from it.  That is also how I found this group online.

 

It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the bone 
marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take a chance on it. 
Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to get Winstrol, also known 
as Stanozolol.  I found a source in Canada, but they were not able to ship into 
the US.  I live in Wisconsin, so I had to find a source in the US.  Again, as a 
novice, I did not have the information I needed to make any meaningful 
decisions. I happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do the searching 
for ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a loving cat owner who 
just doesn’t happen to be able to find things online easily, would do! So the 
need for information is critical……both for cat owners, and eventually to change 
the minds of the veterinary community! I hope one day, they will actually 
SUGGEST it to cat parents.

 

If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share Tigger’s 
treatment details, along with his blood test results. Even though we eventually 
lost him, I feel I was given some additional time with him – and it was good 
quality time with him feeling very good, and playful most of the time. I also 
feel he may have pulled through this particular crisis if I had started this 
treatment regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I could be wrong, but 
I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the cat, waiting for some 
period of stress in the cat’s life, and then it pops up and attacks in varying 
ways. If the owner is able to get the cat through that particular crisis, then 
I think it sometimes backs off again, possibly for very long periods, 
especially if the cat’s stress levels can be kept low.

 

Thank you,

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

 

I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a 
name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? 

 

Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in and 
that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours worth it. 
That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when you have so 
little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart and a 
beautiful soul. 

 

A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead 
of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places 
where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one.  But I am good at 
researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com 
<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote:

Hi Rachel

 

I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about 4:30 
a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as my 
partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t get up 
early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, I don’t 
have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to court 
for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the world, 
but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to bed at all. Fun, eh? 
And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of Medical Laboratory 
Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I hated having to do midnight 
shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up ALL night and work

Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

d Ardy let us know about the one she used which shipped to her 
> from another state.
>  
> I think each of us who wants to try out the Winstrol, needs to have a talk 
> with our vets, and explain to them that they are providing little in the way 
> of options except euthanasia, and a trial of Winstrol is inexpensive and 
> certainly not painful to the cat, so rather than simply putting the cat down, 
> why not trying the Winstrol. Tell them that you understand the risk of liver 
> damage, and again, given the alternative, you accept and recognize that risk 
> but it is your understanding that while the liver enzymes often rise with the 
> use of Winstrol, there is no evidence or scientific trials linking the use of 
> Winstrol to any lasting liver damage. In the end, you are in charge. Of 
> course the vet can refuse to provide the Winstrol and can decide he/she 
> doesn’t want you for a client, so remain calm and not belligerent if you want 
> to avoid that outcome. I would like to think that most vets, when faced with 
> a logical, measured decision to try a specific course of treatment, would 
> assist even if you don’t have their full support on the chosen treatment.
>  
> I think that once we have some helpful vet names, these also can be shared so 
> people know where they can go where they will get the support they need for 
> their FeLV cats. If anyone is situated near Toronto, Ontario, Canada, I am 
> happy to provide them with my vet’s name and location. She is very kind, 
> really cares about my cats, and respects my input very much, so we get along 
> just fine. I have moved away from where the clinic is located and now have to 
> travel close to an hour to take my cats there, but I just feel up to going 
> through the same battle with another vet right now, so I’ll stick to the ones 
> who have known me for decades and respect my decisions.
>  
> Remember too that I used a number of medications with the Winstrol. I used 
> prednisone, Winstrol, metoclopramide (Zander seemed to have problems passing 
> stool for a while and research online shows that FeLV affects the intestinal 
> walls as well – metoclopramide was VERY helpful to get the stool moving 
> regularly and I believe without the stool sitting still in one area of the 
> intestinal tract, it took away the environment which encouraged the 
> intestinal walls to be attacked and become inflamed), and Doxycycline. When I 
> was trying help Ardy with Tigger, her vet wanted Tigger on Convenia and so as 
> to “pick our battles”, I told Ardy to accept the Convenia instead of the 
> Doxycyclne and we would play it by ear. I knew of course that antibiotics 
> don’t kill viruses, and I couldn’t remember why Doxycycline was so important. 
> I figured I had used it for covering for potential secondary infections. 
> However, after seeing some blasts showing up on the blood work, I 
> reconsidered and remembered that Doxycycline actually works to block RNA 
> synthesis, which is how the virus reproduces, so while the Winstrol was 
> working to restore progenitor cells in the bone marrow to get new blood cells 
> produced, the Doxycycline was blocking the virus from continuing to reproduce 
> unchecked.
>  
> And Rachel – I am not “that” kind of a lawyer, so I can’t defend you from a 
> drug charge, but I do have contacts across the U.S., so I promise to get you 
> help should you end up in trouble because of my preaching about WinstrolJ. I 
> am a medical malpractice lawyer - Google me – I figured I would put my 
> scientific and medical knowledge to good use when I left the medical field 
> behind.
>  
> See – not all lawyers are bad!
>  
> Amani
>  
>  
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: May-14-16 7:48 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol
>  
> Good Morning Amani,
>  
> I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too!
>  
> I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people to get 
> their vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So I was thinking 
> that maybe since you are the go to person for those of us looking to go this 
> route, you could start a file of those who have tried it along with blood 
> test results and notes or letters from vets, along with places we find that 
> make Winstrol. You could then send the file to people to take with them to 
> their vets. The more vets that try it and see results the more likely they 
> are to try it again and share their experience with other vets. 
>  
> My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug dealer, 
> and if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could write a book about i

Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

 helpful vet names, these also can be shared so 
people know where they can go where they will get the support they need for 
their FeLV cats. If anyone is situated near Toronto, Ontario, Canada, I am 
happy to provide them with my vet’s name and location. She is very kind, really 
cares about my cats, and respects my input very much, so we get along just 
fine. I have moved away from where the clinic is located and now have to travel 
close to an hour to take my cats there, but I just feel up to going through the 
same battle with another vet right now, so I’ll stick to the ones who have 
known me for decades and respect my decisions.

Remember too that I used a number of medications with the Winstrol. I used 
prednisone, Winstrol, metoclopramide (Zander seemed to have problems passing 
stool for a while and research online shows that FeLV affects the intestinal 
walls as well – metoclopramide was VERY helpful to get the stool moving 
regularly and I believe without the stool sitting still in one area of the 
intestinal tract, it took away the environment which encouraged the intestinal 
walls to be attacked and become inflamed), and Doxycycline. When I was trying 
help Ardy with Tigger, her vet wanted Tigger on Convenia and so as to “pick our 
battles”, I told Ardy to accept the Convenia instead of the Doxycyclne and we 
would play it by ear. I knew of course that antibiotics don’t kill viruses, and 
I couldn’t remember why Doxycycline was so important. I figured I had used it 
for covering for potential secondary infections. However, after seeing some 
blasts showing up on the blood work, I reconsidered and remembered that 
Doxycycline actually works to block RNA synthesis, which is how the virus 
reproduces, so while the Winstrol was working to restore progenitor cells in 
the bone marrow to get new blood cells produced, the Doxycycline was blocking 
the virus from continuing to reproduce unchecked.

And Rachel – I am not “that” kind of a lawyer, so I can’t defend you from a 
drug charge, but I do have contacts across the U.S., so I promise to get you 
help should you end up in trouble because of my preaching about Winstrol☺. I am 
a medical malpractice lawyer - Google me – I figured I would put my scientific 
and medical knowledge to good use when I left the medical field behind.

See – not all lawyers are bad!

Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: May-14-16 7:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

Good Morning Amani,

I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too!

I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people to get their 
vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So I was thinking that 
maybe since you are the go to person for those of us looking to go this route, 
you could start a file of those who have tried it along with blood test results 
and notes or letters from vets, along with places we find that make Winstrol. 
You could then send the file to people to take with them to their vets. The 
more vets that try it and see results the more likely they are to try it again 
and share their experience with other vets.

My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug dealer, and 
if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could write a book about it.

Option one sounds a little more promising though.

Rachel

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Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

Ugh! Well maybe armed with a packet from Amani and possibly a new vet... 
Unfortunately I think you have to have someone call it in for you, and that is 
the big problem with getting it. I think if I went to my vet with the 
information and said this is what I need to try and why, she would totally let 
me do it. After all, we could monitor for results and possible side effects and 
move to something else if needed. 

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> On May 14, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> 
> 
> Great idea Rachel.  I hope Amani can tell us where to get Winstrol,
> as my vet is totally against it.
> -
> 
> I got a chuckle out of your idea of becoming a Winstrol drug dealer,
> and having Amani defend you!
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> 
>> On 05-14, Rachel Dagner wrote:
>>   Good Morning Amani,
>> 
>>   I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too!
>> 
>>   I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people to
>>   get their vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So I was
>>   thinking that maybe since you are the go to person for those of us
>>   looking to go this route, you could start a file of those who have
>>   tried it along with blood test results and notes or letters from vets,
>>   along with places we find that make Winstrol. You could then send the
>>   file to people to take with them to their vets. The more vets that try
>>   it and see results the more likely they are to try it again and share
>>   their experience with other vets.
>> 
>>   My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug
>>   dealer, and if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could write a
>>   book about it.
>> 
>>   Option one sounds a little more promising though.
>> 
>>   Rachel
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Lorrie]

Great idea Rachel.  I hope Amani can tell us where to get Winstrol,
as my vet is totally against it.
-

I got a chuckle out of your idea of becoming a Winstrol drug dealer,
and having Amani defend you!

Lorrie


On 05-14, Rachel Dagner wrote:
>Good Morning Amani,
> 
>I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too!
> 
>I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people to
>get their vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So I was
>thinking that maybe since you are the go to person for those of us
>looking to go this route, you could start a file of those who have
>tried it along with blood test results and notes or letters from vets,
>along with places we find that make Winstrol. You could then send the
>file to people to take with them to their vets. The more vets that try
>it and see results the more likely they are to try it again and share
>their experience with other vets.
> 
>My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug
>dealer, and if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could write a
>book about it.
> 
>Option one sounds a little more promising though.
> 
>Rachel
> 

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[Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

Good Morning Amani,

I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too!

I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people to get their 
vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So I was thinking that 
maybe since you are the go to person for those of us looking to go this route, 
you could start a file of those who have tried it along with blood test results 
and notes or letters from vets, along with places we find that make Winstrol. 
You could then send the file to people to take with them to their vets. The 
more vets that try it and see results the more likely they are to try it again 
and share their experience with other vets. 

My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug dealer, and 
if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could write a book about it.

Option one sounds a little more promising though.

Rachel 

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