Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie's bloodwork results/hemobart pos
Amy, It sounds like you have it under control and are doing the best you can, with your vet's and Belinda's wonderful help! Wolfie is VERY lucky to have you looking out for him. I bet you see great results with the doxy since his test came up positive for the hemobart (but I think it takes a week or two to work). Please keep us posted on Wolfie! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 4:09:09 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie's bloodwork results/hemobart pos He had a blood draw on July 2nd. We did hemobart, CBC, and a thyroid panel. We started him on pred Thursday evening when we got the hemobart results and we started him on doxy and Pet-Tinic yesterday. I'll check into getting Nutrived, thanks! Good idea about the ear tip to check the HCT. We don't want to do the full draw for a couple weeks because I guess the full panel really does take a lot of blood so we want to see how he responds to this before doing a large draw. I don't know what the HCT is right now but he's not acting any different where I suspect it's decreasing rapidly. I didn't want to keep taking him and checking it if his symptoms aren't changing because my vet is 45 minutes away and I thought the stress wouldn't be great for him. Do you think I should be constantly checking it even if he's not acting lethargic or anemic? Amy --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie's bloodwork results/hemobart pos To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 1:06 PM PS. How long has he been on the Pet Tinic and how long has he been getting the pred and doxy? When was the last time he had a blood draw? On the last draw is that when his HCT was 29%? They can always take a tiny bit of blood from the ear tip to check the HCT and if it is OK then do the full draw. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie's bloodwork results/hemobart pos
Thanks Belinda, My vet gave me Pet-Tinic that he is getting twice a day. It seems similar to Nutrived but I can ask about that one. Not sure what his hematocrit is right now. They wanted to let him build up more blood to do a large draw for a digestive panel but I'm kind of worried about taking any blood right now (til we see how he responds to the pred and doxy treatment) because if he's not making more, I'm worried I'll make him worse. Thoughts? Amy --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie's bloodwork results/hemobart pos To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 11:54 PM Hi Amy, Sounds like a mystery but his HCT isn't too bad, it is when it gets to 20% and below you really need to start worrying, although with an FeLV+, I'd keep a close eye on it when it gets to 24% or 25%. My Vet wouldn't start epogen until the HCT gets to 20% or below, and a transfusion if it gets to 10%. How is Wolfies HCT now? If it is still at 29% I would start giving Wolfie Nutrived, it has all the things needed to build new blood. Here are the links I sent you, I don't have your Vets email so you can forward them to her. Links below: --- This site has some good info on anemia itself and some of the treatments. http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#what_is_anaemia http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#why_anaemia http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#other_causes http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#anaemia_diagnosis http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#treatments http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#epogen_eprex_procrit Below is something similar to epogen but reported to not be as risky as epogen far as the antibodies risk goes, although like I said Bailey was on epogen for 5 months with no problems, and I personally know a cancer kitty that was on it for 2 years and had no problems, he finally succumbed to his cancer after it came out of remission for the 3rd time but his HCT was still normal, he would have died long before of anemia without the epogen: http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#aranesp http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#rhepo_antibody_risk http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#antibody_not_bad http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#aranesp_antibody I do know of someone who did this and it did work for her cat, don't know if it is the one they are talking about here: *_Using Aranesp in Cats Who Have Developed the Antibody Reaction to Epogen_* It is not generally recommended to use any form of human erythropoietin in a patient who has reacted to another form (in other words, if you have developed the antibody reaction to Epogen, it is not advisable to use Aranesp instead). However, since there are some differences between Epogen and Aranesp, apparently some US vet schools are trying to maintain cats who have developed the antibody reaction to Epogen or Eprex by using blood transfusions for several (6-8) weeks, and then starting them on Aranesp, in the hope that the cats will not also develop an antibody reaction to Aranesp. http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#rhepo_usage_guidelines http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#obtaining_rhepo Below is a feline version of epogen, very costly and I don't think you can get it here yet, they use it overseas. Not positive of this but last I heard it wasn't sold here ... some people previously on the list have had their vets order it for them. http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#alternatives_rhepo I check this site regularly because Fred is CRF and may face some of these problems in the future, I have gotten tons of help here for things he is dealing with now. I disagree with the statement on this site that It's a specific treatment for the anemia caused by deteriorated kidneys, because like I said with Bailey his anemia had nothing to do with his kidneys. http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/9757/Documents/Epogen_General_Description.htm Here is a good link on Hemobartonella: https://www.vetcentric.com/reference/encycEntry.cfm?ENTRY=88COLLECTION=EncycIllnessMODE=full -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie's bloodwork results/hemobart pos
PS. How long has he been on the Pet Tinic and how long has he been getting the pred and doxy? When was the last time he had a blood draw? On the last draw is that when his HCT was 29%? They can always take a tiny bit of blood from the ear tip to check the HCT and if it is OK then do the full draw. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie's bloodwork results/hemobart pos
Hi Amy, Petinic doesn't contain folic acid which is also needed to build new blood, Nutrived does ... most vets carry the Petinic and not the Nutrived that is why they recommend it. If you can find the Nutrived I would switch to it, I used to buy it online, I'll see if I can find it. This is the one I used to get: http://www.calvetsupply.com/product/Nutrived_B_Complex_4oz/Veterinary_Nutritional_Supplements When I need to order supplements I order a lot from them. They are a reputable company and have been around for a while: http://www.calvetsupply.com/ -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie's bloodwork results/hemobart pos
He had a blood draw on July 2nd. We did hemobart, CBC, and a thyroid panel. We started him on pred Thursday evening when we got the hemobart results and we started him on doxy and Pet-Tinic yesterday. I'll check into getting Nutrived, thanks! Good idea about the ear tip to check the HCT. We don't want to do the full draw for a couple weeks because I guess the full panel really does take a lot of blood so we want to see how he responds to this before doing a large draw. I don't know what the HCT is right now but he's not acting any different where I suspect it's decreasing rapidly. I didn't want to keep taking him and checking it if his symptoms aren't changing because my vet is 45 minutes away and I thought the stress wouldn't be great for him. Do you think I should be constantly checking it even if he's not acting lethargic or anemic? Amy --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie's bloodwork results/hemobart pos To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 1:06 PM PS. How long has he been on the Pet Tinic and how long has he been getting the pred and doxy? When was the last time he had a blood draw? On the last draw is that when his HCT was 29%? They can always take a tiny bit of blood from the ear tip to check the HCT and if it is OK then do the full draw. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie's bloodwork results/hemobart pos
Oops, forgot to answer that yes his last draw was the HCT of 29%. Amy --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie's bloodwork results/hemobart pos To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 1:06 PM PS. How long has he been on the Pet Tinic and how long has he been getting the pred and doxy? When was the last time he had a blood draw? On the last draw is that when his HCT was 29%? They can always take a tiny bit of blood from the ear tip to check the HCT and if it is OK then do the full draw. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie's bloodwork results/hemobart pos
Amy, If the HCT was 29% on the July 2nd draw and he is acting the same I would wait at least 2 weeks, stress is not good so you want to avoid that. If he takes a sudden turn for the worse before 2 weeks then get him to the vet. When did the vet want you to bring him in for a recheck? I mean 2 weeks from when he started the doxy pet tinic. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie's bloodwork results/hemobart pos
I was thinking of going back in a bit over 2 weeks when she returns from vacation. There's another vet in the office but I would prefer to see my regular vet unless we run into problems. Amy Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 7:06 PM Amy, If the HCT was 29% on the July 2nd draw and he is acting the same I would wait at least 2 weeks, stress is not good so you want to avoid that. If he takes a sudden turn for the worse before 2 weeks then get him to the vet. When did the vet want you to bring him in for a recheck? I mean 2 weeks from when he started the doxy pet tinic. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie's bloodwork results/hemobart pos
Two weeks is a minimum, longer is probably better as long as he seems to be doing OK. Stress is a big no no with these guys, that was one of the reasons I didn't really give Bailey any supplements until he got sick, he got so stressed when he had to take anything, pills ect ... I was lucky, he was healthy until the last 6 months when he got sick. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie's bloodwork results/hemobart pos
Hi Amy, Sounds like a mystery but his HCT isn't too bad, it is when it gets to 20% and below you really need to start worrying, although with an FeLV+, I'd keep a close eye on it when it gets to 24% or 25%. My Vet wouldn't start epogen until the HCT gets to 20% or below, and a transfusion if it gets to 10%. How is Wolfies HCT now? If it is still at 29% I would start giving Wolfie Nutrived, it has all the things needed to build new blood. Here are the links I sent you, I don't have your Vets email so you can forward them to her. Links below: --- This site has some good info on anemia itself and some of the treatments. http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#what_is_anaemia http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#why_anaemia http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#other_causes http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#anaemia_diagnosis http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#treatments http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#epogen_eprex_procrit Below is something similar to epogen but reported to not be as risky as epogen far as the antibodies risk goes, although like I said Bailey was on epogen for 5 months with no problems, and I personally know a cancer kitty that was on it for 2 years and had no problems, he finally succumbed to his cancer after it came out of remission for the 3rd time but his HCT was still normal, he would have died long before of anemia without the epogen: http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#aranesp http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#rhepo_antibody_risk http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#antibody_not_bad http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#aranesp_antibody I do know of someone who did this and it did work for her cat, don't know if it is the one they are talking about here: *_Using Aranesp in Cats Who Have Developed the Antibody Reaction to Epogen_* It is not generally recommended to use any form of human erythropoietin in a patient who has reacted to another form (in other words, if you have developed the antibody reaction to Epogen, it is not advisable to use Aranesp instead). However, since there are some differences between Epogen and Aranesp, apparently some US vet schools are trying to maintain cats who have developed the antibody reaction to Epogen or Eprex by using blood transfusions for several (6-8) weeks, and then starting them on Aranesp, in the hope that the cats will not also develop an antibody reaction to Aranesp. http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#rhepo_usage_guidelines http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#obtaining_rhepo Below is a feline version of epogen, very costly and I don't think you can get it here yet, they use it overseas. Not positive of this but last I heard it wasn't sold here ... some people previously on the list have had their vets order it for them. http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#alternatives_rhepo I check this site regularly because Fred is CRF and may face some of these problems in the future, I have gotten tons of help here for things he is dealing with now. I disagree with the statement on this site that It's a specific treatment for the anemia caused by deteriorated kidneys, because like I said with Bailey his anemia had nothing to do with his kidneys. http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/9757/Documents/Epogen_General_Description.htm Here is a good link on Hemobartonella: https://www.vetcentric.com/reference/encycEntry.cfm?ENTRY=88COLLECTION=EncycIllnessMODE=full -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
