Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
you used my favorite word, ammeliorating. first job i had as secretary, my boss dictated a letter and he held the mic so close to his mustache, that i wasn't sure where to look in the dictionary to find it. i have never forgotten this word. dorlis patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was aware of only one controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes. He said that the study showed that L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that it had absolutely no effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks. Apparently these are not the same results that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on continuing outbreaks. I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its use in cats however in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak. L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective against herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
seems odd that it should be so widely used in veterinary medicine if there is only one study published. anyone on the fanciers health list? i know it's been spoken of often there, and i know that a number of years back, one of the california vet assns recommended that ALL cats, symptomatic or not, be given lysine as a supplement. and i think that everyone on this list knows not to take everything a vet says, no matter how well-meaning they may, as the final word. or most of us would have killed our FeLVs upon the first ELISSA result. just talked with someone last weekend who was worried about her FIP-exposed cats in a sanctuary setting, where we tried many many supplements and alternative treatments, as well as standard ones, the one that was ABSOLUTELY EFFECTIVE was the addition of lysine. anecdotal? of course. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.netwrote: Interesting - we should look around for studies (in our spare time lol). One study does not the truth make, just becomes an invitation for another study. But that's very interesting. Let's see - I think the Herpes virus is supposed to feed on L-Arginine, so increasing the ration of L-Lysine to L-Arginine is supposed to lessen the Herpes virus. So does seem to make sense. Seems to work for my cats. Gloria On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:32 AM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was aware of only one controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes. He said that the study showed that L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that it had absolutely no effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks. Apparently these are not the same results that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on continuing outbreaks. I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its use in cats however in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak. L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective against herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
I have personally witnessed Lysine clear up a corneal ulcer in my kitten that
the meds the vet prescribed would not clear up. She was off all other meds, on
the lysine for 10-14 days, and it started going away. Thank God because she'd
already lost one eye to an ulcer before I adopted her. I assume, but can't
say, that both ulcers were most likely caused by the herpes virus.
Plus, lysine is an amino acid and does boost the immune system (or at the very
least maintains it) in the way it operates in the body. It helps to build
proteins, etc., as well as keep viruses from replicating. This is what I wrote
back in August regarding this issue:
There are 20 (or 21 depending on the source) different amino acids in our
bodies. One of them is L-lysine. All cells in every organism (plants,
animals, etc.) use these amino acids to make proteins. A single antibody
molecule (PART OF THE IMMUNE SYSTEM) contains about 1,400 amino acids+. If our
bodies are low in lysine (and remember, our bodies CANNOT make lysine {but
plants can}), then a reduction in lysine would = a lowered immune system
because the chain of proteins that make up the antibody molecules is weakened.
Here is an article you can wade through that talks about antibodies:
http://www.cehs.siu.edu/fix/medmicro/igs.htm This is why lysine is given to
people to help recuperate after surgery or injury as it is necessary for tissue
repair and growth. It's also necessary in the production of antibodies (used
by the immune system to seek out and identify bacteria and viruses in our
bodies). It's a building block of our very
cells. And therefore it IS linked to the immune system, and I would assume,
immune system boosting if the immune system is weak. Every health food company
that sells lysine quips that it is an immune system boosting amino
acid. Lysine deficiencies have been shown in HIV patients in Africa, so I
think that it's possible that even though FeLV is not HIV, it is a virus,
so maybe our furry friends may also be low in the essential amino acid because
of the virus. I don't think the studies have been done on this particular
issue. And if anyone knows of any, please post them. As I said before, I'm
not a doctor, vet, or scientist. But I can research, read, and use my common
sense to make logical inferences. I don't believe there are any studies to
show that link lysine to the immune system because, from what I understand,
it's common knowledge in the science/medical world. It would be like trying to
find studies linking blood to the
heart.
:)
Wendy
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
~~~
From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:16:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
I can't comment on the study as I haven't seen it, but lysine is recommended
by many feline opthamologists for the treatment of herpes. It is also in
the Merck Veterinary Manual.
Also, I have 2 cats with this condition and lysine keeps their eyes clear.
If I stop the lysine the eyes get runny again.
Gary
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patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was
aware of only one
controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes. He said that the
study showed that
L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that
it had absolutely no
effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks. Apparently these are not
the same results
that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on
continuing outbreaks.
I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its
use in cats however
in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak.
L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective
against
herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by
suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was aware of only one controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes. He said that the study showed that L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that it had absolutely no effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks. Apparently these are not the same results that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on continuing outbreaks. I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its use in cats however in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak. L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective against herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
Interesting - we should look around for studies (in our spare time lol). One study does not the truth make, just becomes an invitation for another study. But that's very interesting. Let's see - I think the Herpes virus is supposed to feed on L- Arginine, so increasing the ration of L-Lysine to L-Arginine is supposed to lessen the Herpes virus. So does seem to make sense. Seems to work for my cats. Gloria On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:32 AM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was aware of only one controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes. He said that the study showed that L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that it had absolutely no effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks. Apparently these are not the same results that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on continuing outbreaks. I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its use in cats however in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak. L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective against herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
I would bet on l-lycine. I tried everything that my allopathic vet recommended to get rid of a really bad upper respiratory. I cannot remember the antibiotics she tried but nothing worked. Someone on this list recommended l-lycine and although it took several weeks, it did work. I also think that the supplements that I used worked as well. Since I was not using drugs or pharmaceuticals of any kind, I cannot imagine how MeMe recovered from many severe symptoms if the supplements were not improving or supporting her immune system. Jane On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Interesting - we should look around for studies (in our spare time lol). One study does not the truth make, just becomes an invitation for another study. But that's very interesting. Let's see - I think the Herpes virus is supposed to feed on L- Arginine, so increasing the ration of L-Lysine to L-Arginine is supposed to lessen the Herpes virus. So does seem to make sense. Seems to work for my cats. Gloria On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:32 AM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was aware of only one controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes. He said that the study showed that L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that it had absolutely no effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks. Apparently these are not the same results that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on continuing outbreaks. I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its use in cats however in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak. L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective against herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
Works for mine. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement Interesting - we should look around for studies (in our spare time lol). One study does not the truth make, just becomes an invitation for another study. But that's very interesting. Let's see - I think the Herpes virus is supposed to feed on L- Arginine, so increasing the ration of L-Lysine to L-Arginine is supposed to lessen the Herpes virus. So does seem to make sense. Seems to work for my cats. Gloria On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:32 AM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was aware of only one controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes. He said that the study showed that L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that it had absolutely no effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks. Apparently these are not the same results that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on continuing outbreaks. I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its use in cats however in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak. L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective against herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement
I can't comment on the study as I haven't seen it, but lysine is recommended by many feline opthamologists for the treatment of herpes. It is also in the Merck Veterinary Manual. Also, I have 2 cats with this condition and lysine keeps their eyes clear. If I stop the lysine the eyes get runny again. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was aware of only one controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes. He said that the study showed that L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that it had absolutely no effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks. Apparently these are not the same results that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on continuing outbreaks. I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its use in cats however in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak. L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective against herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
