RE: sedative before flying (ACE)
I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed. I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic, usually the reaction is greater to the drug.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
RE: sedative before flying (ACE)
I've taken Tucson a couple of times across the country. I never gave her ACE---I was prepared for all possibilities---had a backpack that weighed a ton with food, water, wipes, leash, collars, health cert, toys, towels, and on and on. She slept the whole way. I had to change planes and opened the flaps on the carrier (Sherpa softsided) so she could see out--she sort of looked at me like I was insane! The only problem I had was that they make you take the cat out of the carrier when you go thru metal detector. I had put a harness on her before we left home and when I had to take her out, I clipped the leash which I wrapped around my arm. Then I picked her out of the top of the carrier by putting a big towel around her and lifting her so tthat it covered her and she couldn't see all those people looking at her. Security said something about having to see the cat so I let them peek as I held her. Then I just put her back in the carrier at the end of the xray machine thing-before I put on my shoes, grabbed my backpack and just got myself together. I wouldn't use ACE for a flight--they say that the change in cabin pressure and the ACE are not a good match. I think that most cats don't like all those strange people around them and just go off to sleep. I used a medium sized soft-sided carrier--fits better under the seat. At one point, it was sticking out a bit because airlines had put something or other under the seat in front of me--steward pointed that out and I asked where they would like me to put her! Nobody every bothered me again... Tucson did a whole lot better on the flight than I did--I suspect that's about normal! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
I agree with the suggestions to not use any sedative. It has been my experience that the feeling of not being in control of themselves makes them stress out even more. It sounds like this kitty is tame and would probably be better off with out the Ace. Don't forget that big towel to wrap her in when you have to remove her from the carrier! Put the harness and short leash on her when you leave the house, (don't forget id tags). You guys will be fine, just keep your cool and she will too. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed. I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic, usually the reaction is greater to the drug.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out to get used to it... Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't think she would know the difference of going off the ground... Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted if you are with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case... Tad Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed. I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic, usually the reaction is greater to the drug.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
Good suggestion Tad! Depending on how much time you have you can also start feeding in the carrier to get her used to feeling safe in there. Nina Tad Burnett wrote: Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out to get used to it... Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't think she would know the difference of going off the ground... Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted if you are with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case... Tad
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
I would not drug a cat before flying, especially not without a FULL medical workup (including a heart ultrasound). Cats are just as affected by pressure and altitude changes as humans are, and any drug given will have a much stronger effect in the air. This sometimes can lead to medical issues. It's just not worth it, if she meows the whole trip, so what? Cats are allowed, other passengers can't say too much, I wouldn't think. It's only 3 hours max, I think she would be better off undrugged. BTW, ACE is a horse tranquilizer, or at least it's the most commonly use tranq in horses, for those of you who have never heard of it. Has been known in male horses to cause a relaxation of the penis from the sheath, that does not reverse, causing permanent penile paralysis. Doesn't sound so bad if you're not breeding the horse if you don't know how horse's penis's work, but a horse penis left out of it's sheath quickly dries out, and more or less, dehydrates to the point of turning rancid (horses usually keep their penis pulled up into a protective sheath, it's similar to a dog, but bigger and looser). The only way to save a horse's life that has had this side effect caused by ACE is to amputate the penis... YES you heard that right, this drug, that the vet gave you for your cat, is known to sometimes cause a horse to need it's penis amputated, or the horse dies. Not something I would EVER give any of my animals, IMO. If you choose to sedate the cat at all, I recommend NO more than 1/2 a tablet of Benadryl, but 1/4 would be even better, as the altitude and pressure will make the drug have a stronger effect than it would on the ground. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name) http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND: Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him, Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home! http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/336 - Release Date: 5/10/2006
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
And the short car ride could be to a Kentucky Fried Chicken which would be placed near the carrier on the way home and shared at home thus the carrier / car ride become something to look forward to next time.. Tad Nina wrote: Good suggestion Tad! Depending on how much time you have you can also start feeding in the carrier to get her used to feeling safe in there. Nina Tad Burnett wrote: Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out to get used to it... Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't think she would know the difference of going off the ground... Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted if you are with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case... Tad
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
Very helpful, thanks - I'd heard that it can make them disassociative when they're coming out of it - not knowing where they are, etc. Gloria At 03:26 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote: Acepromazine for a cat? This was first choice sedative? WOW! Tough stuff for kitty IMO, especially since he's riding in cabin with you. We only use this in cats to induce anesthesia sometimes. It dilates their pupils a lot and stays in their system for a day or two depending on how fast your their metabolism is. We also use it for animals that go home after exstensive surgery and they need to stay still (like bone breaks, etc...). Their appetite will decrease to almost nothing and sometimes they won't want to eat at all. Personally, I wouldn't use it, not for a 2 1/2 hour flight. ~ Rachel Operation Foster Felix http://www.operationfosterfelix.orgwww.operationfosterfelix.org Sharing Our Hearts, Homes Litter Boxes If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:20 PM Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
RE: sedative before flying (ACE)
Re your last comment, right! I was thinking I might need the Ace more than Gizmo...! Gloria At 03:38 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote: I've taken Tucson a couple of times across the country. I never gave her ACE---I was prepared for all possibilities---had a backpack that weighed a ton with food, water, wipes, leash, collars, health cert, toys, towels, and on and on. She slept the whole way. I had to change planes and opened the flaps on the carrier (Sherpa softsided) so she could see out--she sort of looked at me like I was insane! The only problem I had was that they make you take the cat out of the carrier when you go thru metal detector. I had put a harness on her before we left home and when I had to take her out, I clipped the leash which I wrapped around my arm. Then I picked her out of the top of the carrier by putting a big towel around her and lifting her so tthat it covered her and she couldn't see all those people looking at her. Security said something about having to see the cat so I let them peek as I held her. Then I just put her back in the carrier at the end of the xray machine thing-before I put on my shoes, grabbed my backpack and just got myself together. I wouldn't use ACE for a flight--they say that the change in cabin pressure and the ACE are not a good match. I think that most cats don't like all those strange people around them and just go off to sleep. I used a medium sized soft-sided carrier--fits better under the seat. At one point, it was sticking out a bit because airlines had put something or other under the seat in front of me--steward pointed that out and I asked where they would like me to put her! Nobody every bothered me again... Tucson did a whole lot better on the flight than I did--I suspect that's about normal! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
Right, thanks to you all for the mention of the towel. Hadn't thought of that. Gloria At 05:09 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote: I agree with the suggestions to not use any sedative. It has been my experience that the feeling of not being in control of themselves makes them stress out even more. It sounds like this kitty is tame and would probably be better off with out the Ace. Don't forget that big towel to wrap her in when you have to remove her from the carrier! Put the harness and short leash on her when you leave the house, (don't forget id tags). You guys will be fine, just keep your cool and she will too. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed. I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic, usually the reaction is greater to the drug.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
Yup - been doing that. Started some Rescue Remedy too. Someone suggested a little Benadryl the morning of the flight...? Gloria At 05:25 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote: Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out to get used to it... Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't think she would know the difference of going off the ground... Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted if you are with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case... Tad Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed. I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic, usually the reaction is greater to the drug.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
Thanks a million, folks - everyone - this has been SO wonderfully helpful. Don't know what I'd do without you. Gloria At 07:30 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote: And the short car ride could be to a Kentucky Fried Chicken which would be placed near the carrier on the way home and shared at home thus the carrier / car ride become something to look forward to next time.. Tad Nina wrote: Good suggestion Tad! Depending on how much time you have you can also start feeding in the carrier to get her used to feeling safe in there. Nina Tad Burnett wrote: Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out to get used to it... Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't think she would know the difference of going off the ground... Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted if you are with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case... Tad
