RE: [fibernet] Happy Birthday
Yeah! 20 years old, we're almost legal, for some jurisdiction of the United States anyway. John Sandstrom El Paso, Texas _ From: fibernet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fiber...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronald Parker Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 12:59 AM To: fibernet@yahoogroups.com Subject: [fibernet] Happy Birthday On this day in 1990 Fibernet BBS was fully active for thr first time. Connecting required a telephone connection to a very rural sheep farm in Minnesota with slow modems and noisy phone lines. Happy Birthday Fibernet. Ron rbpar...@swipnet. mailto:rbparker%40swipnet.se se [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [fibernet] I need plying info
D2- They way I see it, you have several options. Ply all 5 at once Ply 4 together and then ply that with one. Ply 3 and 2 Ply 2, 2 and 1 .plus some others I think that each way of doing it will give you a different look and feel to the final yarn. Personally, I would lean towards all 5 at once or ply 3, ply 2 and then ply those together. Are all the plies identical or are the different? John Sandstrom El Paso _ From: fibernet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fiber...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of d2...@roadrunner.com Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 4:43 PM To: fibernet@yahoogroups.com Cc: Pat Jerry Subject: [fibernet] I need plying info AND I cannot imagine plying 5 strands. I will be watching to see how you do it. ;-) Well, pooh! I can imagine plying 5 strands (they're really really really skinny), it's the execution that eludes me. -- wrnk d2 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [fibernet] I need plying info
Lynn- Thanks for the new (to me) use of the word cabling. To me that has always been a knitting term. John S. El Paso _ From: fibernet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fiber...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Terry Chapin Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 8:41 PM To: fibernet@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [fibernet] I need plying info Plying is twisting 2 or more singles together in the direction opposite to their original spinning twist. The singles all nest together, creating a unit, especially after it's washed and all the twist softens together. Twisting a 3 ply yarn with a 2 ply (or any other combination of plied yarn twisted with another plied yarn or a single) is not plying per se, it is Cabling. The yarn created is very different. Lynn C Seattle John wrote: D2- They way I see it, you have several options. Ply all 5 at once Ply 4 together and then ply that with one. Ply 3 and 2 Ply 2, 2 and 1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [fibernet] What's new?
Well- After a bout of cancer last year that through a major wench in the works, I am finishing the final project for my second masters (Public Administration) and getting back to my loom. :-) I've got about 10 projects in various stages of planning, mainly shawls, but a couple of baby blankets, a set of placemats and a table runner for my Mother, and finishing up a project for a belly band for a yurt that I got half-way done over a year ago. Looking forward to Convergence, which is actually within driving distance this year and finally, mourning the demise of the only yarn store in the area, Unraveled in Los Cruces, NM. They are liquidating now and closing their doors at the end of the month sigh. John Sandstrom El Paso, TX PS. I'm now cancer free. _ From: fibernet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fiber...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ronald Parker Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:06 AM To: fibernet@yahoogroups.com Subject: [fibernet] What's new? Hi Fibernetters A Happy New Fiber Year to you all. What's new out there? What hat you've been up to? Ron your c- list Mom with Susanne Ron rbpar...@swipnet. mailto:rbparker%40swipnet.se se [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [fibernet] FW:John Becker: Pattern and Loom, second edition
Sorry, some spaces got inserted into the url. If it is without them. http://www.staff. http://www.staff.hum.ku.dk/dbwagner/Pattern-and-Loom.html hum.ku.dk/dbwagner/Pattern-and-Loom.html John S. _ From: fibernet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fiber...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of User 429 Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:55 AM To: fibernet@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [fibernet] FW:John Becker: Pattern and Loom, second edition It is of **great** interest. Please post the location from which to download if it becomes available. Thanks, Susan On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:37 AM, John jsand...@yahoo. mailto:jsand713%40yahoo.com com wrote: I have now placed this book on the Web for free download: John Becker, with the collaboration of Donald B. Wagner Pattern and Loom: A Practical Study of the Development of Weaving Techniques in China, Western Asia, and Europe Second edition, 2009, 400 pp. (1st ed. 1986) http://staff. hum.ku.dk/ dbwagner/ Pattern-and- Loom.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[fibernet] FW:John Becker: Pattern and Loom, second edition
From another list I am on. I though there might be some interest. John Sandstrom El Paso Posted by: Donald B. Wagner d...@alum.mit. edu dbwagnerdk Dear all, I have now placed this book on the Web for free download: John Becker, with the collaboration of Donald B. Wagner Pattern and Loom: A Practical Study of the Development of Weaving Techniques in China, Western Asia, and Europe Second edition, 2009, 400 pp. (1st ed. 1986) http://staff. hum.ku.dk/ dbwagner/ Pattern-and- Loom.html John Becker (1915-1986) was the youngest of the old guard in Scandinavian hand-weaving, and one of the last to know the traditional techniques from daily production. He was also an artist, had the beginning of an academic education, and was careful to draw on other experts as necessary, so that his book is unique: based on his own very extensive experience as a weaver, on personal examination of numerous artefacts, and on written sources in Scandinavian languages, English, French, German, Spanish, Flemish, Chinese and Japanese. In his practical research he wove replicas of ancient samples, and learned from this a great deal about the ancient techniques. John Becker died in July 1986 at the age of 71, while the first edition of this book was in press. After the publication of an edition of a few hundred, the clichés from which it was printed were destroyed; reprints have therefore not been possible. When his widow Kirsten Becker died in 2003 I inherited the copyright to the book, and the original publishers have kindly relinquished their rights, so a new edition is now possible. In this new edition I have done the typesetting and layout myself, and I hope that readers will find that the sizing and cropping of the illustrations, and their placement in relation to the text, are now more satisfactory than in the original edition. Publication of a 400-page book in this on-line form is obviously not ideal - I am negotiating with a Danish publisher for a printed edition. Regards Don Wagner -- - - - - - - dr.phil. Donald B. Wagner Jernbanegade 9B DK-3600 Frederikssund Denmark Tel. +45-3331 2581 http://staff. hum.ku.dk/ dbwagner - - - - - - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [fibernet] avoiding problem warps--long :)
Just joined SCAWeaving. It will be interesting to see what it there. I'm in El Paso, Texas. My LYS (Las Cruces, NM) has closed down their weaving and spinning lines due to lack of support. sigh Luckily they are still carrying alot of dual use (knitting/weaving yarns). They have not been able to direct me to any weavers here in El Paso, or Las Cruces for that matter. Most of the weavers I do know are inkle and tablet weavers, which I have very little interest in. I'm hoping to use the loom that was recently set up at the History Museum as a nexus for starting a weaving group, but of course this came up right as I restarted grad school. Place to do the woodworking is not an issue, thanks to the SCA connection again. I may have to re-evaluate my thoughts on the subject. I'll decide after I get Kati's book. I know that a reed isn't an ideal raddle, but I'm working with what I have. I'll still have one person on the raddle and one person on the crank so hopefully it will go all right. Thanks for the wishes for the test. This is the first class of my second masters. The last time I went through this was 20 years ago when I got my Masters of Library Science, now I'm working on a Masters of Public Administration. I'm really enjoying it so far, but I still hate tests. Good luck to your son! John S. _ From: fibernet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Holly Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:52 AM To: fibernet@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [fibernet] avoiding problem warps--long :) John writes: It turned out very nicely, if I say so myself, and I hope to have some better pictures of it later this summer. The Baroness I gave it to has wonderful red hair and it looks really good on her. The Baron's comment was, Wow! A gift you will actually use! Very cool--it's so nice to have one's work appreciated :) Do you know about the SCA Weaving list? There are some wonderful scholars who are very willing to share their in-depth knowlege about fibers and weave structures and equipment in use during SCA period. I didn't maintain an even tension while I was winding. sigh Hindsight being what it is I did notice that while I was winding and didn't think anything about it. Been there, done that :) On the plus side, the lessons learned the hard way are the ones you never, ever, ever forget or neglect! As to seeing B2F warping, are there any weavers in your area? That's the best. I volunteered to help a few more experienced weavers as a beginner and learned a lot from those experiences--sometimes what NOT to do with my own loom, but usually learned what works :) Oops, reading the next part I see you don't know other weavers yet--where are you located? Maybe someone on this list can connect you with other weavers in your area. Check at all the local fiber stores, even knitting stores--I know one knitting store that the local spinning group meets at, and virtually all spinning groups have at least a couple weavers. Google your state's weaving association. Join some more lists about fiber. There are weavers and spinners literally EVERYWHERE--I found my first spinning group, in Heidelberg, Germany, but putting a note up in the library--English speaking group--complete with a couple weavers! I've been looking at a trapeze as I'm single and don't know any other local weavers yet. A trap would make beaming by myself much easier. If I ever get out of my one-bedroom apt I'll get one. Without a place to stash wood and tools, it is a challenge to build a trapeze--but what about one of these friends you've been weaving for? As to the size of the apartment--the trapeze is designed to clamp to the loom, then you take it off when you're done and it's just a few pieces of wood that prop in a corner (or lie on a top shelf, or hang up next to the ceiling or lie under a bed or) plus the clamps, a couple weights (which can be milk jugs easily enough), and some string. If you have a loom in your apartment, you can probably manage the trapeze components. Being single, there'll be no one to complain about the extra pieces of wood :) Definitely buy Kati's book, even if you can't get it from your local store. Virtually every weaver, even experienced ones, will find new tips to make every step of weaving easier and more fun in this wonderful little book. A reed is not ideal as a raddle, though with the warp under good tension and being spanked regularly it will probably work. The issue is that you've got just a few ends in each dent, so it's more likely that they will tangle right at the reed, possibly resulting in broken ends. So keep a close eye on the reed, and work out those tangles the instant they appear. Good luck on your test! I just heard from my son (his 29th birthday was yesterday :) that he's 'banned' from his Calculus test because he's done so well in the class. Probable As in his American History and and early English lit classes
RE: [fibernet] avoiding problem warps--long :)
Holly, Cathy, et. Al. Executive summary: I didn't keep even enough tension of the warp while I was winding it. Therefore, I am going to unweave the bit I have done and re-wind the entire thing. This time with the help of a friend who can keep the tension on it while I'm winding, or vice versa. Details: The gift for a friend is a shawl I made for the outgoing Baroness of the Citadel of the Southern Pass, Kingdom of the Outlands. Yes, I'm part of the SCA too. The shawl is a 2-1 point twill. The warp is a Berroco Peruvia color 7180 and the weft is Cascade Yarns The Heathers 220 color 4009. I wove it using an 8 dent reed and was getting about 10 picks to the inch. I posted a bit about this a few months ago when I was gripping about using a softly spun single as a warp and how to size a warp after it was on the loom. It turned out very nicely, if I say so myself, and I hope to have some better pictures of it later this summer. The Baroness I gave it to has wonderful red hair and it looks really good on her. The Baron's comment was, Wow! A gift you will actually use! The warp sticks are study enough (1/2 inch oak) but I didn't maintain an even tension while I was winding. sigh Hindsight being what it is I did notice that while I was winding and didn't think anything about it. At this point I warp F2B. I want to lean B2F and I've read about it, but I need to see it being done to figure it out. I'm sure once I do the light will come on, but unfortunately, I'm a visual learner. Are there any good DVDs out there? The sticks are straight and a not on top of each other, but that doesn't help much when you didn't maintain an even tension during the winding. I've tried paper and again, found it more hassle that it was worth. Plus the crackling really go on my nerves everytime I advanced the fabric. So that I will pass on. The symptoms were really really tight warp threads on the right with really loose ones on the left. I will say that this was a good exercise in how warp tension affects the beat. I know it was the same beat all the way across, but with the tighter warp threads I got a much tighter pack. I've been looking at a trapeze as I'm single and don't know any other local weavers yet. A trap would make beaming by myself much easier. If I ever get out of my one-bedroom apt I'll get one. As it is I'll have to limp along for the moment. Thanks for you great description of beaming with a Trapeze, my LYS has Kari's book 40% off (they are closing out their weaving lines) so I'll pick it up the next weekend when I'm there. I'll admit I'm still having trouble picturing it, but your description is enough to get me to chase after some more, rather than waiting until I have a bigger studio. Regarding Holly's comments in her second email. After I've unwoven what I've already done (note to self, add another yard to warps when possible to allow for fixes) I'll probably untie and then use my 8 dent reed as a raddle, threading through that before I unwind the rest of the warp. I'll put on ties after that which should (I hope) help to keep everything together as I re wind the warp, this time with help. I'll let everyone know how it works out. Probably won't be until this next weekend as I have a test on Thursday and need to do some studying. John S. _ From: fibernet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Holly Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:01 AM To: fibernet@yahoogroups.com Subject: [fibernet] avoiding problem warps--long :) John writes: set of belly bands for a ger What on earth is that?!?! OK, just googled it--something that helps keep a yurt up? (and an unusually interesting and funny bunch of links came up with searching belly band ger :) Your shawls look very well woven--I hope the recipients appreciate the work! Those selvages are impressive! The 'gift for a friend' piece looks very nice too--want to tell us something about it? I chose a cotton warp for strength and an acrylic weft because of the cost. I'm about 10 inches into the first one and I'm already having issues. I used warp sticks for the first time to try to keep the tension even and it is worse than any other weaving I've done. I've written something about beaming a good warp below. For the moment, though, some thoughts on using warp sticks (my personal preference for warp separators). First, are they sturdy enough? If they're too flimsy--and this includes some wooden sticks--then they will bend at the edges, causing your selvages to be tighter than the center. In that case, put some extra sticks through the floppy part, and plan to weight a stick when the tension is loose enough that you would have to stack several. The sturdiness particularly applies to the recently-popular venentian blind slats. I do use slats on longer warps, but I support them regularly with sturdy sticks wound in. My favorite warp sticks are about 3/8
RE: [fibernet] avoiding problem warps--long :)
Mirjam I checked it this morning before making my final decisions, ½ was as tight as a harp string and the other half had virtually no tension at all. Then there was the variance of the end, which I hadnt mentioned. Where I tied onto the beam the variance was about 1 to 2 inches at most. When I finished winding it the variance was closer to 24 inches. I should have stopped and fixed it then, but (duh) I went ahead and tied off. Just glad I realized that I would need to fix it before I got too much done. John S. _ From: fibernet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mirjam Bruck-Cohen Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:53 PM To: fibernet@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [fibernet] avoiding problem warps--long :) John When you don`t have an EVEN tension , sometimes it is enough to colected the threads that are uneven and hang some little weights on them ,, Also whenever i WARP the loom and AFTER i knotted it all to the front beam , I LET IT STAND LIKE THAT for a whole night , many a time only after that night 1 -5 threads will show that their tension isn`t the same as the others` ,, than i can correct it before starting to weave I use mainly natural threads, but if you used manmade threads , they will be even more affected by changing weather, humidity etc mirjam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [fibernet] Wet finishing Acrylic
Thanks Mirjam John _ From: fibernet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mirjam Bruck-Cohen Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 10:55 PM To: fibernet@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [fibernet] Wet finishing Acrylic Wash in Luke warm water with a bit of nice shampoo rinse in luke warm water ,,, let lay on sink or bath floor for a while, than roll in towel or Pique sheet, to dry after a day hang to air in the shed ,, mirjam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [fibernet] Wet finishing Acrylic
Holly- By preference I won't ever work in acrylic after I finish my next two projects. The shawls were for a mother and daughter. A mutual friend of ours challenged me to make shawls that couldn't be missed. I posted scans of them here http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/fibernet/photos/view/ed4c?b=7 and here http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/fibernet/photos/view/ed4c?b=8 http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/fibernet/photos/view/ed4c?b=8m=so=0 m=so=0 Since they are to be worn on campouts, I wanted something that could be washed easily. Also the daughter is 6 years old, so I figured acrylic would stand up to abuse a bit better than wool. I didn't find the yarn very stretchy. The only issue I had was that the two yarns were slightly different weights so it was challenging to keep the weave structures even. My next two projects are a set of belly bands for a ger. These are 10 yards each and will be out in the weather two weeks a year and the rest of the time in un-airconditioned storage. I chose a cotton warp for strength and an acrylic weft because of the cost. I'm about 10 inches into the first one and I'm already having issues. I used warp sticks for the first time to try to keep the tension even and it is worse than any other weaving I've done. I've already unwoven the whole thing once (at 2 inches) to retie and try to even it out and still, every time I advance the fabric the tension is completely off. Anyone have any suggestions for how to adjust uneven tension after you've already started weaving? John S. _ From: fibernet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Holly Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:12 AM To: fibernet@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [fibernet] Wet finishing Acrylic It's been, thankfully, YEARS since I dealt with acrylic--that was in the form of knitting yarn, but I can't imagine the process of finishing is much different. It does need wet-finishing, even though a synthetic fiber, as any yarn can stretch while weaving and wet-finishing helps relax the yarn as well as remove reed marks, etc. Avoid much agitation as acrylic pills easily. Cheaper acrylics can heat-set, too, so don't use high (cotton) heat if you machine-dry. Other than that, wash in cold or warm water with gentle agitation--I think even synthetics need some spinning oils, which won't be washed out of weaving yarns--or could just pick up dust and dirt between spinning and weaving. Laundry detergent would be fine. Tumble dry low, as just about every acrylic or other synthetic garment I've seen has said :) And I almost never use fabric softener anymore, but that might not be a bad idea with acrylic. Synthetics are more prone to static electricity than other fibers, and the fabric softener can help with that. What's the project, John? Was the yarn very stretchy and did it pose problems due to stretchiness? Holly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [fibernet] Warp help needed -- Redux
How this project of mine turned out if anyone wants to read it :-) First, thank you to all who offered words of encouragement and advice. I have learned my lesson about sizing warps before winding. I finished the shawl yesterday, including washing and wet finishing. I learned several things from this project. * Softly spun singles make lousy warps. * I need to think about the use I want to put a yarn to rather than just thinking about the color. * White glue (Elmers) diluted with 2 parts water and applied with a paint brush lets you add sizing while on the loom. * I need to invest in a temple, does anyone have any recommendations? (no religion jokes please) * If I'm going to try to weave the full width of my loom, I need to take the extra heddles off. * Floating selvages are not worth the hassle, at least for this project. I'll put pictures up as soon as I can. As much of a pain as this warp was, I think the shawl turned our very nicely. Good thing since it is a gift. John S. _ From: fibernet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Holly Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:14 AM To: fibernet@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [fibernet] Warp help needed Hi, John :) Sizing helps most *before* the warp goes on the loom, whether commercial or handspun yarn :) Is there a lot of mohair or a longwool with similar properties in the yarn? Those need relatively tight twist to keep them from shredding, even with sizing sometimes. I've heard, but not tried, hairspray and spray starch on warps that are on the loom already--the advantage being they dry very quickly, but I don't know how effective they actually are. Another approach I've heard but not tried is using a bit of dilute water-soluable (Elmer's) craft glue. Dilute it slightly, then rub it into a weak spot on the warp before it has a chance to do more than let you know it's weak, rolling the yarn between your fingers to get all the stray fibers stuck in, and of course let dry before you weave. Then it washes out easily after weaving. Other sizes that are sometimes recommended are flaxseed (never tried, usually said to be traditional for linen), strong milk solution mixed from powdered milk (tried, ineffective), flour/water solution (very hard to rinse out of wool textiles, might be OK on stuff you can machine wash), and Paula Simmons' favorite, hide glue, which I have no idea where to get it unless she sells it. I use gelatin sizing (instructions pasted below--for next time :), on the skeins of warp yarn, and if you're really desperate, you might try applying it to your warp now. But it would be very slow, as you'd have to apply it and let it dry, then gently gently open each shed to separate the yarns (which might make the hairiness worse, not better, alas), before weaving the section that's been sized, and repeating for the rest of the warp. I've occasionally seen medieval and early industrial pictures of looms with warps on them that have a bucket and other evidence suggesting liquid sizing is being applied as the warp is unwound from the beam. I don't know what they used, or whether they wove with it wet or not. Seems unlikely; but then there's no indication of what the fiber is, and of course linen, at least, is stronger when wet. Wool, however, is weaker when wet. You'd have to be careful of the loom--those made of timbers back in the olden days would be less affected I expect than today's looms of fine, polished woods! Finally, you might find that it's not so bad--that you just had a couple weak parts and the rest will be fine. Or the other extreme--I've cut off several handspun warps over the years because they just weren't spun right to be warp yarns. (No, that doesn't mean warp yarn in general needs lots of twist--another enduring myth!) Depending on the situation and your degree of patience/perseverance, you could struggle through repairing ends that break--you'll never be afraid of a broken end again! Hope *something* of this helps--the last handspun warp I cut off was I guess about 5 years ago, a sample reproducing one of the textiles found in York, England, in digs, of Icelandic tog warp, thel weft. It needed more twist in the warp--need I say more? And taught me that equipment type DOES matter when doing reproduction textile work (a drop spindle would have given the yarn a lot more twist, and perhaps saved me the headaches :) I cut off the 3.5 yard warp after 8 inches of weaving, with at least one broken end in every inch. However, I was able to give the bit I manaed to weave to a scholar in the field, and she was thrilled :) Holly ~ I use the gelatin size I first saw mentioned in an old Handwoven, in a recipe by Stephenie Gausted. The ingredients are cheap and easy to find, it's quite effective, and is easy to wash out. I've tried both dry milk and flour sizings, but they were ineffective and very
RE: [fibernet] fiber group growth
Holly- For the meeting room space, Have you checked with: 1. Area public libraries 2. Area schools 3. Area 4-H programs 4. County extension officer 5. Any museums in the area **Warning this is going to sound harsh** Your members are adults, they know when the meetings are, and they need to be responsible for getting the information for themselves, as long as you (the group) make a good faith effort to get the info out there. If you are sending out the emails and are willing to talk to people who call about what happened, I think you are making a good faith effort. Or course, you will run into people who just want to be pissed off and/or not take responsibility for taking care of their own information needs, and you will probably just have to accept that they are going to be that way. That being said, have you considered a contact list after each meeting where people who attended the meeting call the people who weren't there? Time consuming but might save some feelings. John S. _ From: fibernet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Holly Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:46 AM To: fibernet@yahoogroups.com Subject: [fibernet] fiber group growth Our local spinning group, with its slightly smaller weaving group offshoot, and serving a rather large quite rural area, is suffering from some growth pains right now, and I was wondering what others have done at this stage of the game. We have one spinning and one weaving meeting monthly, and they've usually been at members' homes, except for those who can't host at their homes, and so would choose more public locations for the meetings. But now we're a little too large a group to easily meet in most homes. We've picked up about double our original number of members in the last couple years--a few of whom attend fairly regularly, some of whom come only in the summer (severe winter weather common here 6+ months of the year), and some of whom have come to 2 or 3 meetings then stopped for reasons unknown (but NOT because we cold-shouldered them--I'm death on that :) So we're trying to transition to a fixed location, but have to pay $15/month for the only one we've been able to find so far that's reasonably centrally located for the largish area we cover and would otherwise meet our needs (most places were a lot more expensive). We'll be trying that room out this month. We're too big for members' homes; we're too small in numbers to be able to charge the dues needed to pay for two monthly meetings at this room. In addition, it's getting harder to communicate with everyone who didn't attend what was discussed at a meeting--for example, whether to participate in a fiber exchange offered by another group--when many either don't have email or don't check it regularly. One of the latter, a relatively new person who has only attended 4 meetings out of the last 6 months (11 meetings in that time frame), was apparently offended that she wasn't included in the exchange discussion, which took place at two meetings she missed. Anyone else dealt with either of these two issues? I'd like to have some ideas to take to the next meeting to kick around :) Holly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [fibernet] math help, please
(2600/16) * 4.56 = 741 yds. 162.5 yards/ounce John Sandstrom _ From: fibernet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:18 PM To: fibernet@yahoogroups.com Subject: [fibernet] math help, please I could probably do this problem, if I could stop thinking of it as a word problem in Algebra 1. !pleH Please! I have some yarn that, according to the balance scale, is 2600 yds/lb. I have 4.56 oz. spun up. Now, I know that I should be able to take those measurements and be able to figure out how many yards I have in 4.56 oz. Alas, I can't. Can anyone else figure it out, and please give me the answer? I'll send you lots of cyber hugs. Ok. Chocolate. I'll send you chocolate. :) wrnk d2 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [fibernet] website glitch
Holly- In IE 6.09.2900, resolution 1024 x 768, this page is twice as wide as it needs to be. John _ From: fibernet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Holly Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:16 PM To: fibernet@yahoogroups.com Subject: [fibernet] website glitch With Ron's and Susanne's permission to post this, I would like to ask that anyone willing would take a look at http://www.hjsstudi http://www.hjsstudio.com/indexdraft.html o.com/indexdraft.html and let me know what they see, what browser was used, and what screen resolution. The layout appears to be broken in certain versions of IE, but I'd like to hear what others see as well. FYI, the logo pictures haven't been uploaded yet, so you'll just see black rectangles at each end of the header--not to worry about that :) THANK YOU! Holly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [fibernet] weaving puzzle
As much as I have issues with Wikipedia, this is the best I can do from home. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodeg%C3%B3n John _ From: fibernet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dianne Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:01 AM To: fibernet@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [fibernet] weaving puzzle Thanks for the reference, John, but could you please tell us what bedegones are? Must be librarian lingo?? I haven't heard of this term nor could I find it in the dictionary or wikipedia. Looks like a very significant word! Dianne Hummm, scratch a librarian and get more answer than you want ;-) The Fable of Arachne is that Arachne committed hubris by claiming she was a better weaver than the patron Goddess of weaving, Athena. Complete text available at Encyclopedia Mythica (http://www.pantheon http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/arachne.html .org/articles/a/arachne.html). Current research is that Velazquez named the painting after the fable, which is represented in the scene in the background of the painting. The foreground harkens back to his use of bedegones from earlier in his career. And I'll stop there. John Sandstrom _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:fibernet%40yahoogroups.com s.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:fibernet%40yahoogroups.com s.com] On Behalf Of Ulrike Bogdan Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 11:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:fibernet%40yahoogroups.com s.com Subject: Re: [fibernet] weaving puzzle Hi Holly, I think the Problem is, that Velasquez called the picture: La Fabula de Aracné (The Story of Arachne you know about Arachne who was a better spinner than Athene and was transformed into a spider by the wrath of the Goddess) and someone in the meantime made the mistake to misnomed it The Weavers. BTW in German it is called Die Spinnerinnen (The Spinners) best wishes Ulrike from Germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [fibernet] weaving puzzle
I didn't realize there would be a question about the spinning wheel. I assumed it was a hand turned one rather than a treadle. By my memory (I can't find the reference at the moment) treadle machines were just beginning to appear in Europe during the time period that The Spinners was painted. John _ From: fibernet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dianne Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 3:10 AM To: fibernet@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [fibernet] weaving puzzle Just looking at this picture from what it immediately presents [without considering the puzzle] the spinning wheel is kind of missing something. Does it have a foot pedal? Or did Velazquez leave this out? There is obviously knowledge of spinning tools. There is a distaff and a niddy noddy. But why no pedal? Has anyone ever seen or heard of such spinning wheels? Without the pedal what would make the wheel turn and why would Velazquez leave it out - except for the message of something critical missing from the picture. And back to my previous analysis... Just another thought. I wish I could see the background clearly. Dianne - Original Message - From: Holly To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:fibernet%40yahoogroups.com s.com Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:17 PM Subject: [fibernet] weaving puzzle I received a 2000-piece jigsaw puzzle for Christmas (of Neuschwannstein Castle, one of my favorite places in Germany), which I finished last night during the superbowl. I enjoyed working on it (especially since it was something I could do during my *2* colds in January :) and went looking online to see what I might buy. Well, I didn't realize how expensive jigsaw puzzles are! But this one http://www.puzzleho http://www.puzzlehouse.com/theweavers.htm use.com/theweavers.htm was a neat scene, which I thought other fiberists would enjoy seeing. But why The Weavers? Holly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [fibernet] weaving puzzle
Hummm, scratch a librarian and get more answer than you want ;-) The Fable of Arachne is that Arachne committed hubris by claiming she was a better weaver than the patron Goddess of weaving, Athena. Complete text available at Encyclopedia Mythica (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/arachne.html). Current research is that Velazquez named the painting after the fable, which is represented in the scene in the background of the painting. The foreground harkens back to his use of bedegones from earlier in his career. And Ill stop there. John Sandstrom _ From: fibernet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ulrike Bogdan Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 11:15 PM To: fibernet@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [fibernet] weaving puzzle Hi Holly, I think the Problem is, that Velasquez called the picture: La Fabula de Aracné (The Story of Arachne you know about Arachne who was a better spinner than Athene and was transformed into a spider by the wrath of the Goddess) and someone in the meantime made the mistake to misnomed it The Weavers. BTW in German it is called Die Spinnerinnen (The Spinners) best wishes Ulrike from Germany [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: fleece processing
Umm Where can we find Ron's Processor's list? John S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail White Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 7:37 PM To: fibernet@imagicomm.com Subject: Re: fleece processing There are about 15 mills in.Oregon and Washington. Fantasey Fibers in Oregon is very good. So is Snohomish Carding Mill in Snohomish, WA. Go to Ron's Processor's list and see who is close to you. Shipping is going out of sight. Most of the small mills can handle fibers up to 7 in for roving. anything longer is going to have some breakage. The workers and strippers on the machines are about 6 in in diameter. Longer fibers wrap around them and break as the fiber is being processed. Gail White, Ozark Carding Mill, now in Durant, OK To stop mail temporarily mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: set nomail To restore send: set mail To stop mail temporarily mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: set nomail To restore send: set mail
Loom info request
Folks- Can anyone point me towards a list where I can ask questions about my used Schacht Baby Wolf loom? John Sandstrom To stop mail temporarily mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: set nomail To restore send: set mail
RE: fish braiding?
Could they be talking about the Kumihimo (sp?) Fishing Line Braid? John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cj. Aberte Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 4:35 PM To: fibernet@imagicomm.com Subject: Re: fish braiding? At 04:43 PM 1/14/2007, you wrote: Is there such a thing called fish braiding? Might it be something like sprang which is a netting technique used originally for fishing nets? You can find out more about netting techniques in general at weaving sites... here is someplace to start: http://www.santacruzhandweavers.org/anneblinks/sprang.html To stop mail temporarily mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: set nomail To restore send: set mail
The Sheep Book
Copies are in stock. It's on our Web site under Spinning Books I don't know exactly what you wanted to know as I'm getting this second hand. -- Always the best, John Village Spinning Weaving Shop 425-B Alisal Road, Solvang, California 93463 USA (805) 686-1192 or for orders toll-free(888) 686-1192 Spinning, Weaving, Knitting, Dyeing, Tatting, Bobbin Lace, Plus Children's Books Crafts and Mary Lorish Jahn Notecards. (We accept all major cards) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://villagespinweave.com/ To stop mail temporarily mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: set nomail To restore send: set mail
