Re: [Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only
I have seen 2nd x only much more than 1st x tacet. I also think it conveys intent better and quicker. As for font style, that's subjective to the style preferred by the publisher, if there is one. Personally I use 12 pt italics plain and have seen that used quite a bit. Richard From: Aaron Sherber [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm writing out an arrangement with several repeated strains, and the instrumentation changes slightly on the repeat. So for an instrument which only comes in on the repeat, is it better to put '1x tacet' or '2x only'? And is there a standard as to whether this should be roman or italics or bold? ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only
Hi all, I'm writing out an arrangement with several repeated strains, and the instrumentation changes slightly on the repeat. So for an instrument which only comes in on the repeat, is it better to put '1x tacet' or '2x only'? And is there a standard as to whether this should be roman or italics or bold? Thanks, Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only
Okayit is correct that I should have said that IF it was a first ending, the designation could read Play 1st x That being corrected, I'm pretty sure the original question referred to a situation using repeat bars only (not a 1st/2nd ending), and in such a case all the notes *would* be seen twice and my Play both x's would be correct. Doubting the arranger's other markings seems a bit extreme to me. Richard From: Christopher BJ Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Both X's for a passage INSIDE the first ending, where it will only be seen once? I would find that illogical and confusing, and it would make me doubt the arranger's other markings. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only
At 11:47 AM -0400 8/06/03, Aaron Sherber wrote: Now for the followup: An instrument is tacet the first time through but actually begins playing in the pickup to the repeat -- that is, in the first ending. Is the indication 'Play' over the pickup notes the usual way of indicating this? Logically, if someone is tacet the first time, but there is music in the first ending, one would assume that he MUST play in the first ending, otherwise the music has no reason to be notated there. BUT, as a belt and suspenders measure (so your pants REALLY won't fall down, you see!) I would put Play over the passage anyway. I would also put the special JazzFont enclosure on it, but if you are not using JazzFont, never mind. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only
At 11:11 AM 8/6/2003, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: This really is me talking, for some reason my emailer thinks it's a quote: I prefer 2nd X only rather than 2x only, as it won't be confused with Two times only, and Tacet 1st X is a negative, which seems to take more brain power to process. Yes, that seems to be the consensus, and it makes perfect sense. Now for the followup: An instrument is tacet the first time through but actually begins playing in the pickup to the repeat -- that is, in the first ending. Is the indication 'Play' over the pickup notes the usual way of indicating this? Thanks, Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only
I use the term Both times (or Both x's) in such a situation. Since in this case the pickup actually would be notes within the last measure of the first ending (if an ending is used) or notes within the final measure prior to the repeat sign, I also would strongly consider using a small bracket such as this: __Both x's | Obviously the downward part of that bracket is on track with an imaginary line that would run to the left side of the first pickup note. --Richard From: Aaron Sherber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now for the followup: An instrument is tacet the first time through but actually begins playing in the pickup to the repeat -- that is, in the first ending. Is the indication 'Play' over the pickup notes the usual way of indicating this? ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only
On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 02:50 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: Personally I use 12 pt italics plain and have seen that used quite a bit. That's what I used initially, and the first time this piece was played the players (good NY freelancers) almost all missed it. Of course, I used '1x tacet' instead of '2x only', so maybe that was the source of the confusion. Yes -- first off 1x tacet is confusing and nonstandard; secondly, IMO roadmap instructions like this (and To Coda, etc) should be 12 or 14 point *bold* (not italic) and above the staff. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boston MA ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only
Christopher BJ Smith wrote: In addition, I'm serious about doubting markings. If a chart shows up with unusual registers, articulations, or instructions, one tends to pay a little closer attention to them. If something is patently illogical or unplayable, then that throws everything else into doubt as well, and I tend to examine every marking more closely and question it, checking against the score or asking if I am in doubt. Another case in point: A few summers ago we did The Wizard of Oz, and when I learned that there was a part for recorder I couldn't wait to see what it was like. Well, the orchestrator had written it as if it were to be played on piccolo (which is what we actually did because it wasn't worth having someone--probably me--play the passage on recorder). The orchestrator, not knowing beans about recorders or their notation, did not specify which size to use (probably had never seen anything but a soprano) and did not notate it in the correct octave. John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only
At 2:21 PM -0400 8/05/03, Aaron Sherber wrote: Hi all, I'm writing out an arrangement with several repeated strains, and the instrumentation changes slightly on the repeat. So for an instrument which only comes in on the repeat, is it better to put '1x tacet' or '2x only'? And is there a standard as to whether this should be roman or italics or bold? This really is me talking, for some reason my emailer thinks it's a quote: I prefer 2nd X only rather than 2x only, as it won't be confused with Two times only, and Tacet 1st X is a negative, which seems to take more brain power to process. To really make it jump out, I use Arial Black 20 point or 18 point. This is a vital road map direction, and it can't be in-your-face enough for me. For the same reason I increase the size of segnos and coda targets to 26 or 28 point, and DS al Coda texts and the like are 16 or 18 point and bracketted with the special Jazz Font enclosures on two and a half sides. Call me weird if you like, but I also prefer mute out to open ever since I had to take a mute out where a repeat started, and only realised thirty bars later that open referred to the repeat, not the mute. Unambiguous is the key for me. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only
At 11:11 AM 8/6/2003 -0400, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: This really is me talking, for some reason my emailer thinks it's a quote: I prefer 2nd X only rather than 2x only, as it won't be confused with Two times only, and Tacet 1st X is a negative, which seems to take more brain power to process. I agree 100%. I can't tell you how many times I've been in sessions where the meaning of 2X, 2X only, or 2XO was debated. 2nd X only takes up very little room and leaves absolutely no ambiguity. If there is room, I even prefer Play 2nd X only, because it tells the musician exactly what to do. I often write layered arrangements where voices are added on repeats. I use F2002. You can create an expression that says 2nd X Olny, and in definition for the expression, it allows you to say play only on pass x. I can never get this to work. Is this feature broken, or is there some special trick to making it work? ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only
Actually he DID say it was inside a first ending, but no matter, I'm sure that you would have gotten it right if you had seen the passage in question. In addition, I'm serious about doubting markings. If a chart shows up with unusual registers, articulations, or instructions, one tends to pay a little closer attention to them. If something is patently illogical or unplayable, then that throws everything else into doubt as well, and I tend to examine every marking more closely and question it, checking against the score or asking if I am in doubt. For example, I am playing in the on-stage orchestra for Chicago the musical this summer, on a tuba/double bass book. Most of the pieces are copied in different hands, and there are some unusual passages to play. I noticed that one of the tuba numbers was written in rather a high register, and I played it as written, against my better judgement, until I noticed a tremolo marking on one of the held notes. Obviously, at that point I realised that it was written originally for bass (possibly arco!), and someone along the line had neglected to transpose it correctly for tuba. I inquired, and I was right, and I kept a sharp eye out for other inconsistencies from then on, and caught some. Apparently some numbers had been transposed drastically, making some voicings muddy or unplayable in other instruments as well. All because the copyist was told down a major 3rd and he did it, without judging whether or not it was right. At 1:42 PM -0500 8/06/03, Richard Huggins wrote: Okayit is correct that I should have said that IF it was a first ending, the designation could read Play 1st x That being corrected, I'm pretty sure the original question referred to a situation using repeat bars only (not a 1st/2nd ending), and in such a case all the notes *would* be seen twice and my Play both x's would be correct. Doubting the arranger's other markings seems a bit extreme to me. Richard From: Christopher BJ Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Both X's for a passage INSIDE the first ending, where it will only be seen once? I would find that illogical and confusing, and it would make me doubt the arranger's other markings. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only
Both X's for a passage INSIDE the first ending, where it will only be seen once? I would find that illogical and confusing, and it would make me doubt the arranger's other markings. At 11:00 AM -0500 8/06/03, Richard Huggins wrote: I use the term Both times (or Both x's) in such a situation. Since in this case the pickup actually would be notes within the last measure of the first ending (if an ending is used) or notes within the final measure prior to the repeat sign, I also would strongly consider using a small bracket such as this: __Both x's | Obviously the downward part of that bracket is on track with an imaginary line that would run to the left side of the first pickup note. --Richard From: Aaron Sherber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now for the followup: An instrument is tacet the first time through but actually begins playing in the pickup to the repeat -- that is, in the first ending. Is the indication 'Play' over the pickup notes the usual way of indicating this? ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only
At 02:27 PM 8/6/2003, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: Logically, if someone is tacet the first time, but there is music in the first ending, one would assume that he MUST play in the first ending, otherwise the music has no reason to be notated there. Sorry, I wasn't clear. There is music notated through the whole strain, with '2nd x only' at the beginning. There's a 1-bar first ending, in which the instrument begins playing (and then continues through the repeat). So I'll put PLAY! over it in 28pt flashing neon, just to make sure no one misses it. g Thanks to all for the suggestions. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only
At 02:40 PM 8/5/2003, Richard Huggins wrote: I have seen 2nd x only much more than 1st x tacet. I also think it conveys intent better and quicker. Okay. Personally I use 12 pt italics plain and have seen that used quite a bit. That's what I used initially, and the first time this piece was played the players (good NY freelancers) almost all missed it. Of course, I used '1x tacet' instead of '2x only', so maybe that was the source of the confusion. Thanks, Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
