Re: [Finale] Question about Systems Margins
Title: Re: [Finale] Question about Systems Margins At 11:43 AM -0400 8/16/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Maybe someone could shed some light on system margins. I've tried several ways to handle them (mostly for piano-vocals and lead sheets) and find that the easiest most efficient way seems to be to set them all to zero, and just use distance between systems for spacing. Is there something wrong with this method that I'm missing? Is there a benefit to adding space around a system? Thanks for your input. - Ken Adding space above or below a system will prevent things that extend beyond the staff lines (ledger line notes, lyrics, chord symbols) from colliding with things like page 2 title and instrument text boxes, or from moving accidentally outside the printable area of the page. But if you are manually tweaking individual pages anyway, setting system margins to zero is fine. Just watch for ledger lines moving off the page at the top or bottom. The way I understand it, any space you add to system margins has to be subtracted from distance between systems to keep identical spacing. In reality, I eyeball it. I use inches rather than points or EVPUs because I can estimate these more easily. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Question about Systems Margins
On Saturday, August 16, 2003, at 07:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe someone could shed some light on system margins. I've tried several ways to handle them (mostly for piano-vocals and lead sheets) and find that the easiest most efficient way seems to be to set them all to zero, and just use distance between systems for spacing. Is there something wrong with this method that I'm missing? Is there a benefit to adding space around a system? I don't think there's anything wrong with your method. I almost never change system margins. My practice is to keep them at 18pt and 36pt, simply because that's what I'm used to visualizing after years of habit, but if I never change them that's essentially the same as keeping them zero and counting from a different place. I suppose the best reason to alter system margins is to distinguish between whether your distance between systems represents distance from staff line to staff line, or distance from the highest ascender and the lowest descender. If you want the latter, you can adjust the system margins to reflect that. I can easily imagine an algorithm (either automated plug-in or user's standard procedure), which first examines a system for anything extending sufficiently above or below the staff to warrant adjusting the system margins, and then distributes the remaining vertical space among all the distance between systems values on the page. mdl ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Question about Systems Margins
Mark D Lew wrote: I can easily imagine an algorithm (either automated plug-in or user's standard procedure), which first examines a system for anything extending sufficiently above or below the staff to warrant adjusting the system margins, and then distributes the remaining vertical space among all the distance between systems values on the page. Such an algorithm is going to have to account for the fact that the distance between systems parameter did not exist prior to 2k1 ns ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Question about Systems Margins
Title: Re: [Finale] Question about Systems Margins At 11:43 AM -0400 8/16/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Maybe someone could shed some light on system margins. I've tried several ways to handle them (mostly for piano-vocals and lead sheets) and find that the easiest most efficient way seems to be to set them all to zero, and just use distance between systems for spacing. Is there something wrong with this method that I'm missing? Is there a benefit to adding space around a system? Thanks for your input. - Ken Adding space above or below a system will prevent things that extend beyond the staff lines (ledger line notes, lyrics, chord symbols) from colliding with things like page 2 title and instrument text boxes, or from moving accidentally outside the printable area of the page. But if you are manually tweaking individual pages anyway, setting system margins to zero is fine. Just watch for ledger lines moving off the page at the top or bottom. The way I understand it, any space you add to system margins has to be subtracted from distance between systems to keep identical spacing. In reality, I eyeball it. I use inches rather than points or EVPUs because I can estimate these more easily. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Question about Systems Margins
On Saturday, August 16, 2003, at 07:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe someone could shed some light on system margins. I've tried several ways to handle them (mostly for piano-vocals and lead sheets) and find that the easiest most efficient way seems to be to set them all to zero, and just use distance between systems for spacing. Is there something wrong with this method that I'm missing? Is there a benefit to adding space around a system? I don't think there's anything wrong with your method. I almost never change system margins. My practice is to keep them at 18pt and 36pt, simply because that's what I'm used to visualizing after years of habit, but if I never change them that's essentially the same as keeping them zero and counting from a different place. I suppose the best reason to alter system margins is to distinguish between whether your distance between systems represents distance from staff line to staff line, or distance from the highest ascender and the lowest descender. If you want the latter, you can adjust the system margins to reflect that. I can easily imagine an algorithm (either automated plug-in or user's standard procedure), which first examines a system for anything extending sufficiently above or below the staff to warrant adjusting the system margins, and then distributes the remaining vertical space among all the distance between systems values on the page. mdl ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Question about Systems Margins
Mark D Lew wrote: I can easily imagine an algorithm (either automated plug-in or user's standard procedure), which first examines a system for anything extending sufficiently above or below the staff to warrant adjusting the system margins, and then distributes the remaining vertical space among all the distance between systems values on the page. Such an algorithm is going to have to account for the fact that the distance between systems parameter did not exist prior to 2k1 ns ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
