Re: [Flightgear-devel] Weather
Can't we just cheat a little.. If we can get data from noaa = metar, then we should have wind directions .. so we jjust stick an arrow the screen, with a few zooms our, we should have a front etc.. Cant we just create one huge M*F* cloud Aircraft/ufo virtual in Multiplayer that is a storm cloud, and move that around in mp ?? pete -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Doc Project Idea
Made some more progress, and flightgear now links to osg, plib and simgear; with some nice graphics thrown in http://docs.freeflightsim.org/flightgear/ Feedback appreciated. Please note I'm prepared to host this long term eg at docs.flightgear.org or alike Pete -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Doc Project Idea
I've been playing with the idea of an automated system (via jenkins) to build the api-docs. Its kinda working with the simgear/flightgear/osg/plib etc all linked together. almost.. Here the progress so far ,and the idea would be to make it completely automated. Feedback appreciated, even if its worth pursuing. http://docs.freeflightsim.org/ Pete -- Got visibility? Most devs has no idea what their production app looks like. Find out how fast your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219671;13503038;y? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata trouble
I got a really really slow connection Got around the git problem by using a script on a dedicated to pull from git, and push to a subversion, which runs twice a day I then checkout from subversion read only of course, it works a treat and get all updates very quickly.. However this approach is not for development, but as an user its a very efficient way to keep up to data with master and 2.8 etc Pete -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata trouble
Hi Pete, What about the idea I thought you were working on of zipping each aircraft - presumably regularly updated as more git changes happen - and having like the FGx GUI downloading and installing these at the users choice/request? Thus an initial install of fgdata would only have a dozen or so a/c, like the releases, but additional a/c could be easily installed on selection... Or did this not work out... Indeed I am working on an installer (time problems as usual) https://gitorious.org/fgx-xtras/fgx-installer The way it works is that 1) the server would make the zip, calculate the md5 to detect changes and present the list via an ajax feed http://fgx.ch/projects/fgx-server/repository/revisions/master/entry/fgx_shell/aircraft/import_update_zip_aircraft.py 2) the client would then read this list, and make a list of aircraft and/or updates available upon client. https://gitorious.org/fgx-xtras/fgx-installer However I kinda thought this is a naff idea, as it still means all a zip download of size. I also tested the possibility of calculating the md5 of each file, and somehow downloading only the changed files.. which is kinda a naff idea. This led me back to using svn to do the work and is the current idea... ie svn on server and an embedded svn client in the fgx-installer.. The svn server is there already, however I need to chat with Yves (FGx's BDFL) if its a good idea to make this public available, what with bandwidth etc... All the stuff is still experimental, but if there is interest then I;d be prepared to dedicate some more time to it. pete -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..we can now build FG scenery with sumo-simulated road traffic???
This is a strange feeling I have here this evening reading the above API..and tip from arnt I see a lot of future... After all my nephew is a truck driver amd introduce to hard maps need to navigate and plan route and indeed at 10 is kinda getting more the concept of headings etc ... Backseat driver spring to mind.. and he's in the air.. with autopilot.. So I think this sumo is cool, its a nice api, and seems I can knock out code.. gen.. And I think we can be even clever and fuzzy logic some time tables.. eg School buses will be there are 9am on a monday... and last.train from london etc.. == traffic love it.. But this is possible also to to make it a bit more REAL... We only need traffic routes planned On approach to the threshold.. eg landing at Heathorw from either end as a passenger means u see traffic a[[roaching and crossing and stuff crosing on the motoway.. Same in EHAM, and a few other airports.. KSFO does not fall into this case as is water approach.. So what do we do next ? So the Question I have really is .. there must be a way for the data to dictate if an aircraft is passing below 100ft and on an approach to an airport AND crossing a motorway.. then we could create some time traffic.. On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net wrote: Hi, ..this means we can now build FG scenery with sumo-simulated road traffic??? Source: http://sumo.sourceforge.net/ ..debian users: 'aptitude install sumo sumo-doc sumo-tools ', quick listing: arnt@celsius:/tmp$ dpkg -l |grep sumo ii sumo 0.15.0~dfsg-1 Simulation of Urban MObility (SUMO) ii sumo-doc 0.15.0~dfsg-1 Simulation of Urban MObility (SUMO), documentation and examples ii sumo-tools 0.15.0~dfsg-1 Simulation of Urban MObility (SUMO), tools and scripts arnt@celsius:/tmp$ arnt@celsius:/tmp$ man sumo arnt@celsius:/tmp$ sumo --help SUMO sumo Version 0.15.0 Copyright (C) 2001-2012 DLR and contributors; http://sumo.sourceforge.net A microscopic road traffic simulation. Usage: sumo [OPTION]* Configuration Options: -c, --configuration-file FILE Loads the named config on startup --save-configuration FILE Saves current configuration into FILE --save-template FILE Saves a configuration template (empty) into FILE --save-schema FILE Saves the configuration schema into FILE --save-commented Adds comments to saved template, configuration, or schema Input Options: -n, --net-file FILE Load road network description from FILE -r, --route-files FILE Load routes descriptions from FILE(s) -a, --additional-files FILE Load further descriptions from FILE(s) -w, --weight-files FILE Load edge/lane weights for online rerouting from FILE -x, --weight-attribute STR Name of the xml attribute which gives the edge weight Output Options: --netstate-dump FILE Save complete network states into FILE --netstate-dump.empty-edges Write also empty edges completely when dumping --summary-output FILE Save aggregated vehicle departure info into FILE --tripinfo-output FILE Save single vehicle trip info into FILE --vehroute-output FILE Save single vehicle route info into FILE --vehroute-output.exit-times Write the exit times for all edges --vehroute-output.last-route Write the last route only --vehroute-output.sorted Sorts the output by departure time Time Options: -b, --begin TIME Defines the begin time; The simulation starts at this time -e, --end TIME Defines the end time; The simulation ends at this time --step-length TIME Defines the step duration Processing Options: -s, --route-steps TIME Load routes for the next number of seconds ahead --no-internal-links Disable (junction) internal links --ignore-accidents Do not check whether accidents occure more deeply --ignore-route-errors Do not check whether routes are connected --max-num-vehicles INT Quit simulation if this number of vehicles is exceeded --incremental-dua-step INT Perform the simulation as a step in incremental DUA --incremental-dua-base INT Base value for incremental DUA --scale FLOAT
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..we can now build FG scenery with sumo-simulated road traffic???
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[Flightgear-devel] mpmap
I guess no one is maintain the mpmap anymore.. and I had a good look a pigeons code.. and it runs perl and google maps v2.. so google maps v3 is outta the question )too complicated to drop in) but also also been playing with osm So is there a plan to move forward with mpmap.. ? I have clear idea what I want to do which is make it osm compatible for a start.. and then take it from there.. So anyone else playing with this idea? anyone else done and development ? where can we share these new ideas as a repo ? pete -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] mpmap
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: Locally I've been playing around with open layers a bit. Also web sockets. The idea that I think would be interesting to try would be to build a websocket interface into flightgear, then serve out the map data locally rather than from a server. Well nowadays websockets is a good idea.. BUT still a bit unstsable... but definately its more the way to go and am very happy you mention that.. so this is cool.. and an idea from before https://github.com/ac001/FlightGear-MP-tools/blob/master/MP_monitor.py So the above script chek for DNS servers.. with mpserve*.. and then polls via telnet.. Essentially if you are running FlightGear with MP turned on and running the mpmap in your browser, you burn your bandwidth twice to ship the same information down your internet pipe to two separate applications. If you served the map from FlightGear directly, you could draw the nearby MP traffic, local AI traffic, and not double burn your internet bandwidth at the same time. Which leads to the conclusion that maybe the best maybe might be to slave a local app eg in qt client local that queries the local isntance of fg for data.. of position etc.. I have a basic websocket interface, but I haven't tried to integrate it into FlightGear yet. Also we'd need to expand FlightGear's httpd interface to also be able to serve .html and .js files -- probably from a single authorized subdirectory for security reasons. Well thats fine.. But at #1 there are a few issues.. 1) we need to replace current map and == telnet mpserver 2) we need to be it work with different reliable and selectable maps (osm api does that mainly) and 3) we need to overlay on the map .. .. a) flight positions and .. b). nav data.. So indeed its a complex problem.. However I think if we split up the stuff cleverly.. by a load of us having a go at it.. I think it woul be straight forwad.. I think the main issue is actually the capacity of the server.. for example a current mpmap install requires a postgres db and perl and telnet access.. Wheraes the reality is we want anyone with an account and internet facing ISP machine to be able to host.. eg with php virtual host or AWS, djano.. python instance.. etc.. google app engine... (which only spreeks port 80 in and out) or behind an nginx and port forwarding as in my case with fgx.ch.. Also the database of navdata is an issue.. But these are many issues.. So my suggestion is we start at #1 at ksfo.. and set up a new map system/ So I am prepared to lead this project.. but I must stress that we need to make it user friendly and amenable for end installers etc.. eg I dont want a new keen fligthgear player to give up in installing it on his prvate server.. because fo postgres, or no mysql etc.. I want them to be able to install and maybe even set some limits on range and be able to rely on navdata and etc from upstream.. somewhere.. ALSO ALSO the mainissue is a destop replacement for atlas.. and that is clear to me with marble.. which is a kde project.. and then maybe we can overlay this http://map.fgx.ch/ BUt BUT.. even beter.. If we use websockect we can be clever also.. eg we can send queries and get results of stuff. kinda IRC like and MAYBE eg /metar ksfo even /msg foobar descend and maintain 200ft /vor BNN return data on BNN we can even replicate aircraft systems So .. Where do we go from here..?? I think we need a little bit of a plan first.. before any of us ding down a wrong path .. But we also need to recognise a proper new project and team to support.. (maybe next year GSOC we have plan for this project even... ) pete On May 15, 2012 5:58 PM, Peter Morgan p...@daffodil.uk.com wrote: I guess no one is maintain the mpmap anymore.. and I had a good look a pigeons code.. and it runs perl and google maps v2.. so google maps v3 is outta the question )too complicated to drop in) but also also been playing with osm So is there a plan to move forward with mpmap.. ? I have clear idea what I want to do which is make it osm compatible for a start.. and then take it from there.. So anyone else playing with this idea? anyone else done and development ? where can we share these new ideas as a repo ? pete -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Live Security Virtual Conference
Re: [Flightgear-devel] mpmap
I think maybe we need to also invite the fgms team into this discussion The only way really to get a position sat on webserver atmo is to poll a fgms telnet server.. upon its admin port.. eg telnet telnet mpserver01.flightgear.org 5001 return lines.. which are then parsed into various formats.. so we need to cover this scenario across anyones installation.. to make it usable.. another thought.. pete -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] /etc and config
Hi guys.. Can I make a proposal with regard to configuring web services etc.. and is more in regard to running future web services.. and anyone whooo has a spare server can somehow help .. So the norm would be to have config in /etc/flightgear/ which is a path.. but /etc/fg is rejected as a coflict with fg == foregounrd and with the /etc/flightgear/ one could expect /etc/flightgear/fgms.conf - the MP instance server and /etc/flightgear/mpmap.conf - would contain the google v2 keys etc... and in future /etc/flightgear/other_stuff.init just the idea Pete -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer, Open RTI/ HAL and online future..
I want to ask the question of what is the future with Multiplayer? Its sems that the flavour and future is openRTI? but what is that about... So where are we going with the multiplayer stuff? Is there a plan, is there a vatsim replace? Whats the MP protocl, or is it Open/RTI ? are there json feeds and flightplans, and network and all.. live ATC in brazil ? Where are we going? is ther any scenario where we can use OpenRTI .. eg radar for kids ? got the severs, got the data,, how do we play with it ?? pete -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] updates to nav.dat.gz
Now this is really interesting..
http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/gitweb.pl?p=sceneryweb;a=blob;f=mapserver/Threshold_ILS_TWR.sh
I'm kinda moving into django land after lots of screaming and whining to
myself.. but it does seem to be a platform of sorts.. and sql alchemy
compat etc..
So can I throw into the mix here the concept of having a kinda API and
structure and content (the grolaw coverage on Oracles vs Goggles spring to
mind).. ie the structure and content of the API ???
the the structure and content.. argument is simple.. and anyone would
figure that out to be..
/airport/code/ and all the data...
So the trend is towards more machine to machine interpolation and
networks.. etc.. and end points an api of data...
To create a mass distributed system which is what FG is, we need to
simply uncouple the master and create and index server with the meta
data... and the local info..
for that we need an API.. and we need AIP data from online.. and active..
update latest.. and this is head..
To make sure it HEAD is need and upvote or confirmation and maybe even
locks on data delegated to upstream.. == send up.. then it comes back
down.. thats the ONLY way it works.. send up ad it comes back down.. ..
That is the reality check is the AIP, eg eurocontrol and icao.. and this is
there..
The BIG snag is that the initial download is huge... so to break it down
and install only the part required would be a huge advantage IMHO..
We can simply break it down into the main zones..
eg UK, switzerland.. cool for montains, glaasgow has montains..
or USA.. need the rockies and LA and stuff..
The caribeam.. and every island...
So what I am suggesting is that thaer is an are of interest, and long
foreign trip are ocassional maaybe.. or curiosity...
But if I need data and a quick map of the locatio and terrain and the
enviroment etc..
So I think what we need to have Hard look at is the FlightGear.api and
create a nice cool eniroment fo anyone to play in..
By the Flighgear.API I mean all the interfaces online and instances and all
chatting to each other and all machines and mobiles and rasberry pi
etc...ie the SIM platform of sorts..
Some of the stuff is quite simple eg AIP info retured in json, downlading
latest png.. or even better. sending my shot and an u tube vid tgo via
facebook account .. a plugin... somewhat..
But is OpenRTI the patform.. so we need to build a virtual system so kids
can play together and chat on a platfrom... Lets face it .. its ceerntainly
no real controls atmo.. eg could be subject dos attacks etc.. and I hope
that never happens...
So the API ?
print Airport(EGLL)-runways()
or alike..
Something to thing about...
eg aptdat_2_XXX as staric functions
BIG PROBLEM..
is the api defs..so I am indeed thinkng yaml format is the solutions.. cos
its machine and human edible..
eg
aiport: EGLL
naaame: JOHN WAYNE INT
name: Johh Wayne Airport
runways: [
09R-27L: {etc ..etc}}
We need to get into more mass distribution and and api to install on your
spare sever and hobby.. and a simple access point to join in..
Thats my vision.. cannot work as a centralised system ever.. so that fat
must be realised..
How we shard the data.. but probalby icao sytle maaybe
some thoughts
aairports-KSFO..
We REALLY REALLY need to clean this data up and make it fast for a newbie..
The data pile of waypoint and aptdat will constantly get bigger forever..
so we need to shard and index a buit..
But will relly on one of 2 circumstance..
1) we need to build and index and that needs to be online
2) we need to run an index of voice server and live ATC
3) we need some maap.fgx.xhmaass cashes and please clone me..
For aall of that we need a statergy.. eg I got a spaaare web spaace.. and
unused etc..
Then yes that is what we want... some spare spaace on your online paace..
and we can say.. ok well stick the images on you server and done.. he he ..
that is precisely it..
. maybe a new idea..
pete
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.netwrote:
flightg...@sablonier.ch wrote:
Is the code/the queries to produce the xml output from the postgres
apt/nav.dat database available for public somewhere?
It's a simple Bash/PostgreSQL proof of concept which has seen
'evolutionary' development, looping through the list of ICAO codes,
collecting the relevant data and echoing hand-crafted XML. Now I know
it works as planned, I'd use Perl XML::Writer to do it again, probably
saving more than 50 % of code lines ;-)
http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/gitweb.pl?p=sceneryweb;a=blob;f=mapserver/Threshold_ILS_TWR.sh
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[Flightgear-devel] FG-api
To add furtheer.. http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/gitweb.pl?p=sceneryweb;a=blob;f=mapserver/Threshold_ILS_TWR.sh Were all reinventing a wheel.. I think there is a lo of data in blobs, and we converting one blob to another.. Indeed after some reasearch.. robin sppol out the apt table with a last updated which is the last airport in the list.. +YAML++ Yamls is a nice format cos it machine readable.. But to store the values correct eg aa heaging of 200.1999 degrees and alike.. we will need some fefinitions in the guide.. We can then stash the yaml file as the latest.. and everything after that will be updated vias a transmit.. As does the Real world.. the only stuff will be the changes.. which is what we are interested in.. delta.. So its easy from my eyes.. Create a model.. as a core and inherit a sql postgres layer.. and sub quiries as objects.. whether in python, php etc et all.. we need to promote local stuff more.. and create an index based scenario.. pete -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] h-online
I just received this email from Christopher von Eitzen, an editor at http://www.h-online.com/ as a follow to another mater. It probably better if some of the devs gets in touch so posting here regards Pete Hello again, I was thinking about writing a feature article about FlightGear and was wondering if you would be up for an email interview about your involvement in the project? What's your position within FlightGear? I look forward to hearing from you. Cheers, Chris *Christopher von Eitzen* Content Editor The H http://www.h-online.com/ c...@h-online.com -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] nasal and javascript..
How does nasal works within the sim.. ? why we can not use a ecma scripting engine ? Can i Use javascript in FG, smells the smae almost... I can embed nasal within an xml tag?? Why can we use V8 which is a fast scripting engine.. its rumoured.. pete -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy2___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] autopilot frame rate
Would it be possible to make the autopilot work at a reliable freq.. The autopilot atmo in my suspicion is bound to a frame rate.. this explains why it wobbles on my low frame rate machine.. ie laoder card.. IMHO the autopilot.. should be set at a freq eg 10hz or less and fised inc calculation .. Just a thought for comment.. and a new idea website.. https://sites.google.com/a/freeflightsim.org/flightgear-developers-guide/ Pete -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy2___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] TaxiDraw
So shall we port it to QT then ? Im up for that.. gtk is a pain .. and much less pain with Qt... in my x-platform experience... pete On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Durk Talsma durkt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Following up on the recent discussion about FlightGear's support program, I''ve been poking around in my old email archieve and found a note from David Luff, dated May 26, 2009. In this message, David is stating that among his projects for FlightGear, he's trying to finish the KLN89 code, has orphaned his AI code, and more importantly in this context: that he'd like to withdraw from TaxiDraw development, but was still willing to do one release. Since this is now more than two years ago, I decided to jump ahead and created a new TaxiDraw repository at gitorious, which you can find here: https://www.gitorious.org/taxidraw I've imported the complete revision history from CVS. At this stage, I haven't really made a desision about whether I should try to keep the CVS and gitorious projects synchronized, or whether we should abandon the CVS repository altogether. In the mean time, please have a look. Merge requests are enabled. Currently I m the only project member for the gitorious version, but would be happy to add more members. Cheers, Durk -- Malware Security Report: Protecting Your Business, Customers, and the Bottom Line. Protect your business and customers by understanding the threat from malware and how it can impact your online business. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51427462/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Malware Security Report: Protecting Your Business, Customers, and the Bottom Line. Protect your business and customers by understanding the threat from malware and how it can impact your online business. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51427462/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Links for new FlightGear pilots
Emmerich.. maybe we need a new documentation plan.. so u start it in your mother tounge.. I thinks this agood idea as your have a determined mind and idea I think the best way is to write paragraphs in plain text and later we can all convert... This is better than tryiing to update the original as is a better plan.. IMHO.. at least u are movvayed to do this... and wish to help./// pete On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Jörg Emmerich j-emmer...@online.de wrote: Hi Gijs, thank you very much for that detailed and competent analysis in such a short time-frame. Let me comment the most difficult question first: Should it be a WIKI? My many links for further details see: WIKI... and also several articles from me in the FGFS/wiki should reveal me as a big believer in WIKI's, as well FGFS as also WIKIPEDIA. I even have extracted some parts of the current getstart.pdf and put them into the FGFSwiki (and just reffed them with a few words in the manual). And I do want to do more of those! That way I also hope to get the valuable WIKI-idea promoted to be used even more, which would get them more attention and thus more chances to get them updated in reasonable time-spans. On the other hand: I believe WIKIs have their very big advantage in unique details - not really in manuals! In my eyes each product does need a manual that explains the Basics to the customer and then shows him where to get more infos.(Yes: I belong to the people looking into the manuals when buying a PC, TV, Auto, etc.!). And that basics (in my eyes) should express the company's (i.e. FlightGears inner devel circle) involvement/direction/supervision! My concern is, that many small pieces may be able to replace a manual at the beginning - but over a longer timeframe they will change, specialize, and lose their connecting identities! See the Curtis opening problem! And also see todays WIKI: All the informations are there - often in multiple versions and/or with different focuses. They are fantastic for the guys knowing the basics and thus what to look for - but difficult to select what is needed by a newbie! Surely it will be a big effort for anybody to keep it updated to all future FGFS-changes! But I believe those are easier to control in one single document under the Development responsibility and a defined content in unique chapters - then when the content is distributed in many small pieces without defined ownership and/or responsibility. (Does anybody have the slightest idea how many WIKIS are affected by the latest 2.4.0 changes??) Based on that fear I tried to structure the Basics in some unique Chapters that contain more technical dependencies and those that are more for teaching and looking. So with a new version you do not need to update everything - and what needs to be updated is at one known location only - not distributed in many uncontrollable pieces! And still it would be relatively easy to convert that manual to WIKI - if needed! Right now I would vote against it! And yes, sorry: I have forgotten to mention the very useful forums - - I will correct that! One more hot item I would like to sell: Sidebars or drop downs I decided against sidebars because of: 1) I wanted that book to be without any need for executable, supporting sftw. like e.g. java (virus-prone) 2) I tried it with sidebars - but then it becomes again very confusing if headers are more than just one short word. I hate indexes like now in the getstart.pdf - where you have long headers going over several lines. I like my solution that allows long, ease readable titles -- and still have room for a nice picture to it! 2) There are still many customers with old tiny screens - I rather wanted that valuable side-space for big illustrations 4) Those top/sidebars become pretty much a standard for industries and business pages - I thought my way gives more the feeling of private pilot to private pilot (I just did not yet find a place for the beer-can!) So I came up with that top menu-bar that stays there all the time. From wherever you are in the text, you can always just select any part in the bar (including the current one) and have that index in an easy to read fashion. I know it is unusual and may be one more mouse-click - but I personally like that more private atmosphere. But I would like to hear more
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Links for new FlightGear pilots
anyone looked at docbook. It would solve the problem.. but its a horrible to use.. but there again that was with my experience a few years ago doing a major update to smarty.php (had to it as my team was using it and was paid as thus by my boss) I certainly think that a html5/xml approach is cool approach.. nowadays and wish to help... I dont like pdf's when I try to mix or even knock them off from the server live, unlike other archived docs... pdf editing to me is an art form.. But IMHO we would need to take the markup approach from now.. maybe even a fresh start... and cut and paste stuff across.. eg article section land=enthis is english, and maybe the source/section section lang=dethis a lang section but also maybe this last line a source/section section lang=edthis aanother lang section/section /article certainly having files side by side can be a good way of translating.. eg a geman commit - to /ils/glideslope.en.html !-- please fix spelling mistake... ;-) -- /ils/glideslope.ge.html !-- correcting english mistake... ;-) -- and thus an observation by another to translate file in same patch and topic... ALso.. me need to structure the manual into chapters.. but obvious ones in directories that diectly map to url's eg /aiports/atc /airport/runway/papi /glossay/atc, papi, I still like Jomo idea of a flight school very much.. starting from the bottom up.. from a cadet to a commander, atc et all Certainly though, looking toward the future and more usage.. and more eyes.. we should plan for that, not only in printed media.. but in game help of ipods of a website browsing on an olde retired FG machine The main issue to consider is whether is actually a flight manual of now to fly an aircaft, or the simulation .. or both We'd need to make it original and copyrightable to every contibutor to make it 100% proof.. just some thoughts... pete On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Stuart Buchanan stuar...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 Sep 2011, at 08:37, Jörg Emmerich wrote: I wanted to introduce that outcome about end of this month to the dev-team, to see especially whether the Originators of the getstart still find their share in what I did, and concur to this change. I hope nobody feels offended by my partly drastic changes to their origin. You will see that I still list the Originators and just claim the Revision for myself. Any comments, critics, suggestions, improvements, etc. are highly welcome. joe (jomo) Hi jomo, Firstly, thanks very much for looking at improving The Manual. I'm currently on vacation so haven't had the chance to look at your work in detail but thought I should comment in case you thought you were being ignored by the maintainers. One immediate question is how you see your changes being incorporated into to latex source code? Producing a nice PDF is quite important for a lot of people so I wouldn't want to lose that. More comments when I get the time once I'm back. Best regards -Stuart -- Special Offer -- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! And you'll get a free Love Thy Logs t-shirt when you download Logger. Secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsisghtdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Special Offer -- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! And you'll get a free Love Thy Logs t-shirt when you download Logger. Secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsisghtdev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release 2.4.0: call for help in PR
for pilots: A new FG plane is coming with an updated flight deck, more real weather, more fog and RVR, more realistic in dynamics.. U can still fly however u want wherever u want.. and do it better.. for city: The FG development is gonna kill the market, its basically a drop in replacement for M$ sim who we licenced all out liveries and data and everything to. This is a step change like android is to apple.. companing a u cumber to a turnip. oranges and pears.. same game a market changer.. recoomend Buy++ FG Sell-- Xbox for competitors: How did they do that.. ohh thats how they did it.. for Slashdot: Please do not click this linkbut its basically a new flighrgear2.4 with osg and its foss, pilot is a penguin, an apple or a ball head. - Announcement - Hello this is the FG captain speaking. I'm just informing you that on the return flight we might be delayed. The reason for the delay is that we need to install a new aircraft whcih is better that the one your on now.. The new aircraft will have more features for passengers such as more clouds and urban landscape.. For us pilots up front, we'll have a more realistic cockpit, better emulation of dodgy radio signals and less RVR with cloud density.. and other tounge in cheek.. -- end Seriously though. I would like to create a brochure site for fg2.4.. Something that would exite my teen family and my teen spirit.. = 5 copies..So if anyone of u got an idea of creating a 2.4 release brochure site I am in.. Main ammunition needed is screen shots and we gset up a couple of gae instances for this ONCE and done.. noo ongoing.. should avoid fg slashdot effect.. just my thoughts.. Pete btw everyone is on holiday in august.. -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release 2.4.0: call for help in PR
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] heads up: FlightGear release plan
we need to sit on this as 2.2.freeflightsim.org.. We need a marketing plam somwhat.. I hope we stick to release schedule.. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:15 PM, HB-GRAL flightg...@sablonier.ch wrote: Am 22.05.11 14:37, schrieb ThorstenB: Hi, since there were no major objections to the release plan, we're proceeding as proposed. Current status: * We've officially grounded the releases/2.2.0 git branches yesterday. The flightgear/simgear releases/2.2.0 branches were merged back to master (not next! master always contains the latest release). However, as proposed, we won't invest any more time into 2.2.0, so there'll be no binaries on the download page, no updated aircraft downloads, no announcements, etc. * git/next is bumped to version 2.3.0 now. Actually we should have done so when we branched releases/2.2.0 in January. Remember. it's odd minor versions for the developer version now (git/next), even minor numbers for releases. * Hudson is prepared for providing release binaries and installers (thanks James!). Once we create a new release branch, Hudson should start building the binaries/installers (see Hudson's Windows-release, Mac-release, Linux-release projects). As usual, these will be updated hourly. We'll also provide complete Win/Mac installers (including fgdata base package) regularly, maybe about weekly, so these can be used for wider beta testing. We can't include the base package in the _hourly_ installers though, due to bandwidth/size limits (almost 400MB for the fgdata base package). * We also started assessing tracker issues (thanks Gijs!). Some were already fixed in the last days. And it doesn't look too bad, few issues are highly critical. However, there are some areas where we're missing people, for example for some (new) FDM, and a number of ATI-graphics issues. Have a look at the tracker: http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/list Finally, as a reminder now: Only 4 more weeks to 2.4.0 feature freeze, remember June 17th, when we'll close sg+fg next branch, and (!) fgdata master for 4 weeks. Only bug fixes should be committed after June 17th. releases/2.4.0 will be branched on July 17th, when the main developer branches will be bumped to 2.5.0 and reopen for new features. Beta testing for 2.4.0 will continue for another month after that, till August 17th. But all this was already described in the release plan http://wiki.flightgear.org/Release_Plan cheers, Thorsten On Do, 2011-05-19 at 14:29 +0200, Torsten Dreyer wrote: Hi everybody, during this year's LinuxTag, Martin Spott, Mathias Fröhlich, Thorsten Brehm and myself developed a strategy and a concept about how to kick out new releases of FlightGear on a regular schedule. Please find our first draft here: http://wiki.flightgear.org/Release_Plan For the impatient reader, this is the abstract: We plan to have two releases per year, one in February, one in August. The first scheduled release following this concept will be 2.4.0 in August this year, 2.6.0 is scheduled for February 2012. If no major objections arise, we will set the version number on the current development stream to 2.3.0 and will call out a feature freeze on June 17th. Any comment and certainly any help for actually preparing the release is welcome. Thanks, Torsten Can you please update http://wiki.flightgear.org/Release_Plan with this very important information ? Something like a short description of current state ? Thanks a lot, Yves -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..IP and litigation risks, was: AH-1 Merge Request
PodaVhone issue: http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-bugs/issues/detail?id=56can=1q=vodaphone Tips: #1 don't mention the brand name as you are are aware of it and thus intentional.. (or patents) Sorry, but I have worked in this area and they are out to kill as interest is held... Flightgear needs to avoid them completely, unless - we have permission To have permission we need someone/something/entity to have agreement with.. Indeed PJ is very handy, my dream would be she could represent FG, lots of choclates and free flights imagined.. pete -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] OSQA - statck overflow
hi guys, I had to evaluate this stack-overflow like system for a client.. So I installed one for flightgear for evaluation.. it here atmo http://faq.freeflightsim.org/ Its easily customisable with the admin interface.. and its in bootstrap mode at the moment which means that the votes can be nudged for population. Whoevers up for some admin lets me know, you need to sign up and then I need to tip the superuser flag (dont know where that is atmo). regards pete -- What happens now with your Lotus Notes apps - do you make another costly upgrade, or settle for being marooned without product support? Time to move off Lotus Notes and onto the cloud with Force.com, apps are easier to build, use, and manage than apps on traditional platforms. Sign up for the Lotus Notes Migration Kit to learn more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/salesforce-d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear website on wiki
I knocked up this site with a templating engine, powered by NOREL on GAE, http://fg-www.appspot.com/ I also ported it to php5 to make everyone GPL happy ie not google, m$, oracle etc.. http://github.com/ac001/flightgear-php not online but same site powered by php5 http://fg-www.appspot.com/I have intentionally migrated away from tikiwiki, drupal etc php its fine for small site but scaling it is difficult, let alone with url rewriting and .htaccess fun http://github.com/ac001/FlightGear-AppEngine-Cloud python stuff with DJANGO templating (easily protable) I would however steer completely away from the wiki, instead integrate it into the main site... CDN is the word and if we increase the user base by 500% what will the consequences be ?? What we all want is a development enviroment of constant imprvment on the website shared by everybody with input at a guess. pete http://github.com/ac001/FlightGear-AppEngine-Cloud On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.netwrote: Hi Curt, Curtis Olson wrote: 2. I've played a bit with drupal, and in comparison to wordpress, it feels much more adhoc and clunky, much less thought out, much more disorganized, much less intuitive, much harder to admin, and much harder to make it do what I want to do. Well, Drupal is primarily a website CMS whereas WordPress, to my understanding, is prominently meant to serve for blogs. Therefore it doesn't come by surprise that you're experiencing significant differences. Django in contrast has an even steeper learning curve, but it does almost everything for you, if you add some code - just the usual versatility vs. convenience story ;-) 4. I hear you folks who want to be able to program php/perl/python the backend and really customize the site. Let me put it into different words to clarify my intention: Re-doing a website almost from scratch requires a pile of work and when people start thinking about migrating the website over to whichever flavour of 3rd party 'framework', thus making the site _dependent_ on this framework, then I'd recommend not to choose one whose structural deficiencies are becoming obvious already _that_ in the early planning stage. It's a little bit like buying a house when you're thinking about having four kids. In the planning stage you'll never know the exact details, but even in the early phases it's pretty much obvious that the needs _are_ going to develop their own life ;-) Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Official
sorry.. I am definately not good as explaining things.. There is a TV show in the UK called the Dragons Den - its a good watch.. One thing I do is look at any project first positively outcome outlook and then the deperately negatively and forecast how everything could go tits up.. This is from expereience as a music producer, oily rag and web dev. When I do this with client, the spec changes, although it can and does generally does get emotional. Indeed I get rejected clients coming back later saying so... you were so negative.. but... and little little issue, neglected can get in the way in a very big way if not assumed.. also Assumption is the the mother of all mistakes (please quote me) So I'll explain the issues I have, and want to raise these so we can either ignore, agree or resolve from for the future of flightgear.. Virtual MD of XYZ-airlines bored meeting 1) who are these people selling and giving out our software and making money off our back 2) We did an agreement with lmn-software and this is not party of that agreement, they are exclusive ? 3) Have they ever asked us for permission to use it ??? 4) Can we stop them using our logo.. because its an olde one. at least they should have new one.. 5) a take down notice I think is in order sir said a legal head 6) Will this be a PR disaster ?? u I think the issues for me is that we are in danger of being sued, all we would need is some airline to raise a charge in court about usage, and we'd be stuffed. m$ would be a good candiate for this as we all know... a big bully ballmer in a small livery room with a chair and aircon off, flying with the FlightSimPro. So my questions are honest to establishing * whether we have permission to use * there are conflicts between GPL and fairuse as a LOGO is owned by corp and GPL is everybody * the trading standards in the UK is a The wonderful world preferred would be a letter to Airlines with simple question and some answers Dear Boss, Can we use your livery and logos for aircraft. Fg is a free flight simulator etc...cd inc and copy no bootleg... If you could please reply with a CD containing the latest livery and logo so we can make it available for our aircraft and the virtual pilots who want to fly in your virtual plane, we would be very happy Kinds Regards Me A Virtual pilot.. pete On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de wrote: Some more informations: http://www.publaw.com/fairusetrade.html -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Official
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Nathanael Rebsch nathan...@dihedral.dewrote: congratulations 'peter morgan' for posting such an amusiong email. Thank you.. I take that as a compliment.. Please add me along with John Denker .. and guess everyone else chased him away.. maybe me also Who was the inspiration for the flightgear-bugs site... denker.. and are we using it yes ? is it useful.. well it being used.. Pete Morgan Ayr Cymru *Linux Air* Disgruntled employees of all the other OS airlines decide to start their own airline. They build the planes, ticket counters, and pave the runways themselves. They charge a small fee to cover the cost of printing the ticket, but you can also download and print the ticket yourself. When you board the plane, you are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy of the seat-HOWTO.html. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is very comfortable, the plane leaves and arrives on time without a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to tell customers of the other airlines about the great trip, but all they can say is, You had to do what with the seat? .. http://www.zyra.org.uk/os-air.htm -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Caspian Sea Penguin
As Curt out BFDL pointed out some new aircraft to research recently. and the whole FDM One aircraft I am intrigued by is the Caspian Sea Monster.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_vehicle Seems to me as a muppet that this aircraft was controlled via ground radar to pitch control.. That is a curiosity of mine.. Has anyone else looked at this.. Its not a hovercraft.. and not some skis underwater.. a flying penguin.. maybe pete morgan ac001 -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Ask willie
The idea is a complete ideas zone...and keep daftness away from core.. Well away from and probably working in concert with flightgear-bugs.. http://code.google.com/p/flightgear-future/ An idea anyway, peter morgan -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Official
Ohh.. fogot to mention legal USA entities blocked http://sourceforge.net/blog/clarifying-sourceforgenets-denial-of-site-access-for-certain-persons-in-accordance-with-us-law/ http://sourceforge.net/blog/clarifying-sourceforgenets-denial-of-site-access-for-certain-persons-in-accordance-with-us-law/ie china, Libya, iran.. etc are exactly the same.. SF is not free anymore as it blocked in various territiries... so indeed FG is only free if not in those coutries.. and to really wind americans up.. BP is now the blame.. ie British Petrolium== Anglo Iranian Oil As I said.. I'm being a devils advocate because I want the situation to be clear and legal and defined.. That is my wish.. FlightGear is a future.. its cool and brilliant.. and am desperate to see it succesful.. And I also want it to be safe and steady eddie and confident with bounds fenined towards that goal.. ;-) pete On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Peter Morgan p...@freeflightsim.orgwrote: On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Nathanael Rebsch nathan...@dihedral.dewrote: congratulations 'peter morgan' for posting such an amusiong email. Thank you.. I take that as a compliment.. Please add me along with John Denker .. and guess everyone else chased him away.. maybe me also Who was the inspiration for the flightgear-bugs site... denker.. and are we using it yes ? is it useful.. well it being used.. Pete Morgan Ayr Cymru *Linux Air* Disgruntled employees of all the other OS airlines decide to start their own airline. They build the planes, ticket counters, and pave the runways themselves. They charge a small fee to cover the cost of printing the ticket, but you can also download and print the ticket yourself. When you board the plane, you are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy of the seat-HOWTO.html. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is very comfortable, the plane leaves and arrives on time without a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to tell customers of the other airlines about the great trip, but all they can say is, You had to do what with the seat? .. http://www.zyra.org.uk/os-air.htm -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] ATC
the current ATC clients are deformed in some ways... although there are a few atc client around such as 1) ATC 2) ATC2 3) ATCML - fav so if can explain my local situation.. I'm training some crew ie kids of all ages to understand some IFR/ATC, and indeed the scenario changes with that.. indeed.. some issues i have are that 1) the font dont look right, its a blur.. 2) I use the ATC client for comms and chat, but otherwsie mpmap 3) this without FGcom so is there a way to create an ATC client without FG ? ie speaking to the mp port, but with a netbook etc? ie a new client with a socket and map I have already slaved the chat with a telnet port, but its a long long and gets longersand longerand longer and longer string.. Also is there a way the airspeed of the aircraft can be part of the telnet output?? pete -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Official
I notice that there is a domain named http://liveries.flightgear.org/ This site is self titled as Welcome at the official database for FlightGear liveries! With respect I wish to establish some facts 1) who are the officers in charge to make it official and 2) where is the database, and under the GPL terms how do I aqquire that database and also 3) how you consider that using a company's logo makes it official. I am provoking questions here as 1) there is no official organisation - apart from all the contributors and domain owners whim and 2) the data is upon some proprietry server somewhere and definately not available to the General public and 3) You are using my companys logo, and under some terms you are WELL OUT OF TRADEMARK order... I will challenge this in UK courts the rights.. its a bit of a test case for me as I can file documents.. and indeed need it to be a test bed for the future. I need a response fast.. though I want to know who is using logo's from companies, so I can sue them and take your network down on behalf of some airline or patents.. and u better get a LIFE.. Virgin are a good candiate.. But a leary airline in ireland want to charge for a poo.. and believe me.. I firmly beleve that rimble is coming... pete Devils advocate (and can see it coming) -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Metapost for drawing instruments?
js.canvas and webGL is cool pete On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Melchior FRANZ mfr...@aon.at wrote: * Melchior FRANZ -- Friday 11 June 2010: Guess I have to answer now, as the links in that posting are no longer valid: $ wget http://members.aon.at/mfranz/svginstr.tar.gz# [5 kB] $ git clone git://gitorious.org/svginstr/svginstr.git m. -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Offical Logos's + Merchanside
Is this the official FG merchansise then ? I feel mugged as the logo on the the t-shirt, website, wiki and forum don't match? pete On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de wrote: Torsten's wife is a graphics designer and put together this logo: http://www.cafepress.com/fgfs I'm sure I could dig up the original hi-res artwork if it's something you wanted to use. But if it's your money getting spent initially, you definitely should be the one to make the final decision of what graphics to use and how things should look. We also have the original vector graphic format (Adobe Illustrator, IIRC) if that is of any interest. I'll see, if I can upload it to the wiki's logo page when I'm back home on sunday. Greetings, Torsten -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Offical Logos's + Merchanside
Can we look again the coporate image and want a stock of official FlightGear logos so I print a t-shirt and use as promotion, posters et all?? I want to print my own in Welsh style for various reasons. With TAG coming up imminent, I am curious what the stand looks like ... http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Logos The first one is olde like The newer F looks like its military.. we need something generic and adaptable.. Like Ubuntu, fedex.. or the big M.. pete -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] mirroring flightgear / scenery
Guess the make/blow DVD script is not in CVS ? and will it available, and where ? On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Peter Morgan p...@freeflightsim.org wrote: Are your considering modern methods such as torrents and DVD and Memstick edible nuggets.. even virtual machiens that do the process.. U are obviously not making millions yet... Why are you not at TAG.. Pete I'm in for paying £100 toward flying CURT to linux tag this year.. give him a few beers european stlye... ;-) On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: For what it's worth I do something similar here, although you want to replace every instance of CD in your recipe below with 3 DVD's and that's just the final scenery files, not including all the .svn directories. I'm not sure off the top of my head how much extra that costs (after compression.) I sell a 3 DVD set of the most current SVN scenery (usually updated to within a couple days of when the DVD's are burned.) I would assert that if you want to always pull the latest SVN yourself, then you can do that pretty easily, or run terrasync which just pulls the latest copies of the few tiles where you are currently flying. There are always lots of ways to do things, so if someone wants to do something a bit different, then by all means you are welcome to it. Curt. On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Peter Morgan wrote: The intention is to.. 1) create a distribution CD/DVD set of the whole world from google svn 2) use the SVN checkout as the source and checkout these locally onto remote blow machine 3) snip up the data into a CD set, including the .svn data files (smash/bash script) 4) consumer gets CD and copies to local terrasync dir 5) terrasync will update the necessary items.. 6) consumer then compies various areas onto cd, mem stick bicycles up the road, across the lawn upstairs and onto firend laptop to contuniew terrasync.. Essentially we want to provide new pilots will basic world terrain and then allow them to update from there, ie svn up and for tortise svn, a right click on the folder and update.. means that the .svn directory need to be intact.. thats the idea.. dont know it it will work.. still playing with a way to get latest /Aircraft/ after a git move.. Pete buynow.flightgear.com On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.netwrote: Peter Morgan wrote: Is it practical to just SVN up the latest terrasync onto a remote machine and then ZIP it from there ? Depends on what your intention is. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] FG_ROOT git
This aint working for me.. its a 2.5gig package and lots of bandwith for the core pancake. the core snaphost includes ALL the aircraft and more that 40%+ abandoned.. redundant space. shite load of DEAD files... Aircraft deginers cannot MOVE beacause it means updating whole tree.. Coders (eg c++) don't not want to entertain data updates and scripts.. The NAV.dat cant be updates cos its a huge data set, even though it would be better uncompressed.. Guess were gonna be watching stagnationion for a period until somone upstairs and in a postion can help to solve the problem.. There are a few idea, but as usual it needs managment approval.. and plan.. if any... In the mean time.. there is NO incentive to move.. and not plan forwith.. FG will suffer..Scenery et all will pete -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] mirroring flightgear / scenery
The intention is to.. 1) create a distribution CD/DVD set of the whole world from google svn 2) use the SVN checkout as the source and checkout these locally onto remote blow machine 3) snip up the data into a CD set, including the .svn data files (smash/bash script) 4) consumer gets CD and copies to local terrasync dir 5) terrasync will update the necessary items.. 6) consumer then compies various areas onto cd, mem stick bicycles up the road, across the lawn upstairs and onto firend laptop to contuniew terrasync.. Essentially we want to provide new pilots will basic world terrain and then allow them to update from there, ie svn up and for tortise svn, a right click on the folder and update.. means that the .svn directory need to be intact.. thats the idea.. dont know it it will work.. still playing with a way to get latest /Aircraft/ after a git move.. Pete buynow.flightgear.com On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net wrote: Peter Morgan wrote: Is it practical to just SVN up the latest terrasync onto a remote machine and then ZIP it from there ? Depends on what your intention is. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] outerra news
Is there a begginers guide ? I've been down this path before got stuck with terra and some sgrequirement.. never worked.. pete On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.netwrote: Gene Buckle wrote: That is just amazing. TerraGear should do that. :) Everyone's invited to contribute ;-) http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/gitweb.pl?p=terragear-cs Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] mirroring flightgear / scenery
Is it practical to just SVN up the latest terrasync onto a remote machine and then ZIP it from there ? pete On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Nathanael Rebsch nathan...@dihedral.dewrote: Hi, Thanks for that reply. that was quite helpful already. took the last 12 hours for a full sync of mirrors.ibiblio.org::flightgear as this is done, i still have some things: - i would rather run http than ftp (or do you require ftp or other protocols?) - for round robin dns, which domain name would hit the server? - do you use other methods other than round robin dns? (i.e. letting users chose themselves?) thanks. Nathanael Rebsch i have Curtis Olson wrote: Hi Nathanael, It doesn't look like anyone replied yet. Here is a bit of info. The flightgear ftp tree is about 5+ Gb. The scenery tree (packaged and compressed) is about 12.5 Gb. Mirroring targets (using rsync) can be viewed with: rsync mirrors.ibiblio.org::flightgear rsync mirrors.ibiblio.org::simgear It's hard to say what monthly bandwidth would be to your server. If we add you into our round robin download system it will be much higher than if we don't. If you want to try being part of the round robin system I can set that up (once your mirror is established and the content is current) and you can monitor the bandwidth and see what you think. For updating/syncing the mirror, I think once a day should be plenty in most cases ... perhaps when there is a new release you might want to run an extra manual sync just to get updated a little sooner, but that would be up to you. Thanks, Curt. On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 6:12 AM, nathan...@dihedral.de mailto:nathan...@dihedral.de nathan...@dihedral.de mailto:nathan...@dihedral.de wrote: Hi, I just recently got my hands on a good vserver deal, and would like to support flightgear with that. for that i thought of mirroring flightgear (or parts thereof). Jadzia mentioned that mirroring scenery would probably be a good idea. another 'someone' mentioned running another mpserver (though i believe there are enough german mp instances already). which brings me to the location ;-) the vserver is located in germany. i would love to have some details though, before mirroring anything - such as, expected bandwidth / traffic (current values should be sufficient i presume). amount of data (i was already given a value of roughly 15GB), frequency of updates, method of updates, etc. whatever is needed for running a mirror and what expectations your have for mirror sites. thanks Nathanael Rebsch aka dihedral -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://baron.flightgear.org/%7Ecurt/ -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ThinkGeek and WIRED's GeekDad team up for the Ultimate GeekDad Father's Day Giveaway. ONE MASSIVE PRIZE to the lucky parental unit. See the prize list and enter to win: http://p.sf.net/sfu/thinkgeek-promo___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Flight School ---
Jommo, wiki, MILSTD + all: Jommo * Your idea is the school and college and I love it ;-) after flight club and school * new pilots need to understand IFR narrative of flight plan. * new pilots are flying nowhere without navaids * A plan that can be executed without ATC presence. * Instead of flying nowhere after take off , there is somewhere to arrive and terminate at. ie purpose and can do it.. * The idea is to introduce pilots to IFR, with a SID and a STAR. the next step is Jommo ATC.. So where is the idea for the College part, and request feedback. my idea .. for comments.. the idea and snapshot and the Subject, narrative dialog is a scenario is based on two views. The reality and flightplan The ATC view the PILOT of aircraft view some explanation Please bear i minds this is itntro material, so needs to be simple, real and fast. SID http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/User:Ac001/SID_Tutorial ILS - http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/User:Ac001/ILS http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/User:Ac001/ILSSTAR- http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/User:Ac001/STAR_Tutorial IAP - http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/User:Ac001/Approach_Procedures_Tutorial http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/User:Ac001/Approach_Procedures_Tutorial RFC .. and something that can work in welsh, french, italiano, double dutch, german and eskimo ATC over northen Pole. ATC chatter I want to place within the tutorials to make it more live Pedro -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Invitations for LinuxTag
Dear Mike, Unfortunately I cannot attend or indeed afford the ticket to Linux Tag this year My plan is therefore to virtually be there by making my presence know with.. My personal 787. Please note I will be doing a fly by as I cannot afford the landing charge. A speeding ticket is OK as I will be speed up to get out of jurristriction. Whats the arrival time ? Who' ATCing the Tag STAR ? pete On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.netwrote: Hi folks, as in every year, we're having a couple of free visitor tickets for the LinuxTag expo in Berlin to share among interested fellows. Thus, if you, your friends or colleagues are interested to experience LinuxTag, please send me their name and EMail-adress, so I can assign a free ticket for them. See: http://www.linuxtag.org/2010/en.html The're going to recieve an EMail containing an access code to download their individual, printable ticket form from a web site. The ticket form has to be downloaded within 48 hours afther the access code has been sent to them. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Class-based MP aircraft visibility
Thats cool and will work imho. Means my kids can select newbie, whilst more experienced users can select skill levels or wanting levels. Also does this mean one can patch the mpmap to hide users aswell ? pete On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Stuart Buchanan stuar...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 10:56 PM, I wrote: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Rob Shearman, Jr. wrote: I too have a few concerns about this proposal, partially due to the inherent invitation to segregate the community, but also due to the complexity of the various use-case scenarios, as illustrated by the example you valiantly attempted to explain. Testing and troubleshooting that solution alone sounds like a bit of a nightmare. Actually, the code is pretty straightforward, and I think the UI will be pretty intuitive as well. I'll post a screenshot once I've got a dialog set up. Here's a first attempt at the dialog: http://www.nanjika.co.uk/flightgear/mp-display.png The dropdown contains the same items as the checkboxes. So, the user selects their MP group, and the groups they want to display. I'll need to add a small amount of complexity to allow selection and display of arbitrary groups from the GUI (they can already be set from preferences.xml), but that can wait. -Stuart -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: IMPORTANT PLEASE READ: Astrasim Expo Summer Sim 2010
Can I suggest you contact Curt and get this added to the flightgear calendar http://flightgear.org/calendar.html eg like http://calendar.freeflightsim.org/ pete On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Curtis Olson curt0...@flightgear.orgwrote: Just passing this along to anyone who might not have seen the announcement, but may be interested. Curt. -- Forwarded message -- From: John Marshall john.marsh...@astrasimexpo.co.uk Date: Mon, May 24, 2010 at 4:47 AM Subject: IMPORTANT PLEASE READ: Astrasim Expo Summer Sim 2010 To: i...@astrasimexpo.co.uk Hi, Summer Sim 2010 is to be held at the Royal Air Force Museum, Cosford on August 28 – 29 This amazing weekend has been designed and organised with one aim. To bring together developers and publishers from around the UK and Europe. Alongside virtual airlines, user groups and other non commercial societies who have supported flight sim for many years. Customers are the most important part of your business and maintaining that relationship is difficult at times, but make them welcome, show your passion and you will have a customer for life. It has never been a better time to present your company or group to a large captive audience. Below are just some of the reasons why anyone connected with flight simulation should seriously look to attend this event. · Bank Holiday Weekend in the UK · Latest estimate in visitors, predict over 5,000 people to attend · Plus FREE ENTRY to all visitors · Attract new customers to your business and members to your organisation · Opportunity to network and meet with other like minded enthusiasts and business leaders · Promote your company or organisation · Sponsorship opportunities (see attached document) · Commercial companies can attend from as little as £240 · FREE to all non commercial organisations to attend (space is limited BOOK EARLY) Summer Sim 2010 is the UK’s number 1 choice for the leading companies to attend; they understand the need to exhibit, and the potential to introduce new people and increase sales. Be visible and transparent to your customer, meet and greet, demonstrate your latest wares. We here at Astrasim Expo Ltd are determined to move flight simulation in the right direction, with the right leadership. Creating an experience and a weekend all flight simulation enthusiasts can be proud to be a part of. Make Summer Sim 2010 your main event this year. Remember! Commercial companies can attend this two day event from as little as £240 Non commercial groups can attend for FREE Space is limited and many companies are already committed. Please don’t miss out or delay in making your submission to be a part of this amazing weekend. Astrasim Expo Ltd has arrived and we’re proud to be organisers of this great show at RAF Museum Cosford August 28-29 We now invite you to Summer Sim 2010 Regards John Marshall Managing Director Astrasim Expo Ltd http://astrasimexpo.co.uk Phone: +44 (0) 1922 666 448 See you at Summer Sim 2010! -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Tracker crash
If we get to for example 50 mpservers, then there's gonna be a lot of admin involved for every change On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Anders Gidenstam anders-...@gidenstam.orgwrote: On Fri, 21 May 2010, Peter Morgan wrote: a restart is also required after a DNS change of a server, or a new one etc. Is there a way to reset an mpserver remotely? eg reloading config every hour or remote telnet command ? No and yes. :) There is no way built into fgms (and adding one would require thinking about the security implications) but I would guess that most fgms administrators have remote access to the box that runs the server. IIRC fgms can almost but not quite reload the configuration file when receiving a hangup (SIG_HUP) signal. Fixing that and/or adding the function to re-resolve the relay names each day (or so) could be useful. Something related: 06 changed IP address last weekend so servers that haven't been restarted since need to be restarted to relay correctly. Cheers, Anders -- --- Anders Gidenstam WWW: http://www.gidenstam.org/FlightGear/ -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Developers
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Reagan Thomas thomas...@gmail.com wrote: Peter Morgan wrote: Its is/was bit of a dark how to get commit permission to FG and its seems to be one Curt in control. Can someone explain to process to submitting patches to this new git scenario, or are we to be held in the grey area of hopefulnes as well ? eg I'd like to submit a patch for the 787 that actually makes it boot up! pete -- As always, you can submit your patch on this list, along with a clear description of what problem it is solving and how it solves it. That serves as notification to the original aircraft developer (Josh Wilson in this case) and gives others on the list a chance to see the changes in case Josh is on walk-about. If he doesn't respond and folks on the list agree to patch is cool, I'm sure someone will commit it. 1) ave tried to contract Josh for a long time but is missing 2) two patches have already been submitted to this list and NONE have been appliced 3) Developers do not want to mess with an aircraft designers repos.. 4) Catch 22 Imho we might as well remove 787 from the Repos, its broken, unmaintained, and just taking up space, as well as frustrating other users who might want to try. pete -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] professinal/educational uses of FlightGear...
Maybe thats because they can interact atmo pete On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.netwrote: Gene Buckle wrote: On Fri, 14 May 2010, Martin Spott wrote: Good idea - it's just that I'm slightly uncertain if all those people who are involved into professional use of FlightGear are permitted to talk about their respective projects in the public I suspect the ones that can, will. :) The ones _I_ know have so far decided to remain pretty silent in the public ;-) Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Tracker crash
a restart is also required after a DNS change of a server, or a new one etc. Is there a way to reset an mpserver remotely? eg reloading config every hour or remote telnet command ? pete On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Gabor Toth t...@freemail.hu wrote: Hi, it seems, not all the MP servers are connected to the tracker currently: # sh /root/list_mpservers_connected.sh mpserver02.flightgear.org mpserver07.flightgear.org mpserver09.flightgear.org mpserver10.flightgear.org mpserver12.flightgear.org mpserver13.flightgear.org Maybe some of them haven't been restarted after the crash of tracker. Please restart them. Thanx, Gabor On Wednesday 2010 May 05 21:42:08 Gabor Toth wrote: Dear All, unfortunately, there was a double disk failure on Monday in the tracker server causing the server to crash. After replacing the disks I've been working to restore commercial services first, and today I could finally restore flightgear tracker as well. Sorry for the inconveniences, Regards, Gabor --- --- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Developers
Its is/was bit of a dark how to get commit permission to FG and its seems to be one Curt in control. Can someone explain to process to submitting patches to this new git scenario, or are we to be held in the grey area of hopefulnes as well ? eg I'd like to submit a patch for the 787 that actually makes it boot up! pete -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] professinal/educational uses of FlightGear...
The page I would like to spawn off in a subdomain as
projects.flightgear.org is here
http://flightgear.daffodil.uk.com/www.php?section=linkspage=projects
But those are external projects, and I would propose that the projects is
a dedicated site, where porject managers can update, or indeed probably
aggregate data feeds for curiosity.
Internally I would suggest
skunkworks.flightgear.org as an R+D site, and could be the internal
projects to flightgear research.
just a pennys worth of thoughts..
pete
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Jim Duchek jim.duc...@gmail.com wrote:
I would think it ideal to gradually 'get rid' of a lot of the pages on the
website, and link directly to various entries in the wiki instead. A lot of
the website (especially the developer stuff) is out of date and it would be
a lot easier to just let users keep it current by using the wiki.
Jim
On 14 May 2010 21:45, Gene Buckle ge...@deltasoft.com wrote:
On Fri, 14 May 2010, Martin Spott wrote:
Gene Buckle wrote:
I'd like to build as comprehensive list as possible that shows all the
various professional educational uses users of FlightGear.
Good idea - it's just that I'm slightly uncertain if all those people
who are involved into professional use of FlightGear are permitted to
talk about their respective projects in the public
I suspect the ones that can, will. :)
Gijs has been kind enough to get a running start on this list by
creating
the following wiki page:
http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Professional_and_educational_FlightGear_users
I think you're basically in the process of forking this page:
http://www.flightgear.org/Projects/
which might serve as a measure about how well recieved
some parts of FlightGear's 'official' web site are ;-)
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*laughs*
g.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Interlink a new server?
mpserver02 still needs to exist for the mpmap02 though ? mpmap01 has not been working for a while pete On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Sabin Densmore sa...@onegecko.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Makes sense to me. The box I'm using has the following IP address, which is probably better to use than the domain name: 74.208.230.119. - - sabin Csaba Halász wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: If someone tells me what dns changes should be made, I can make them. Okay, what do you think about this: 1) rename 02 to 14 (that is the next one, I believe) 2) assign 03 to the new server, as 03 has been down for a very long time Thus: 1) anybody who used 02 would be forced to reconsider his choice and hopefully make an intelligent pick 2) people who blindly start from 01 until they hit a working server would encounter 01,03,04 and 05, all - to my knowledge - quite powerful machines, and located in Europe,US,UK,US respectively. 3) pigeon's server would only have to handle the users from his region, hopefully it has enough bandwidth to cope without problems Comments? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJL6ysZAAoJED4rVSeGcLmpw7MH/RLb6aQU5C6VRbCms7sl+ebf T8Rztk+ydYWEhde37cH5CG0yvAyrqMhXJHhRDbaFnJNBJtly7zX+MMzYHB3DZQgc JQ61eqJ72fYmqLGJ62z7HBxZbH8wMeBxKlKT/53ShFcMvqVPyIF7Uc/zu4cHd/62 1/3dNejY2LrnkPBrHlZSWC6VIJ89qo1LJNRR72mSpyuVF/iNzeCBG4UcOlaMJeiT 5R7Kq8Kc89daN4zG5QsTTZhHqmXWUtlowftoJgDctGI4TNdO+YIKwHnD/EN8nr1h +yo/KLD6XEe3N5Rum48f+1JiCr7i88ZRewgP5ta2jUB6a/IFXCu0HIRUxUAvljM= =wb5j -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] June / LinuxTag release
Shall I put this in the calendar.. so we can all get in sequence together ? pete On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 5:06 PM, James Turner zakal...@mac.com wrote: I want to make a 2.1 FG release, at the end of this month, or the very start of June. As far as I can see, the current code is pretty good - many bugs have been fixed since 2.0, and while I'm sure some new ones have crept in, I don't have many code quality concerns - if we were to cut tarballs from the source code today, we'd definitely be in a better place than 2.0 in terms of bugs. (If people know of regressions from 2.0, or regressions in 2.0 from 1.9.x, I hope they would mention them here, or even in the bugtracker) Anyway, the key thing - what are the steps to make a release happen. I'm seeking to capture the actual steps (and ideally script them), so even if Curt Durk both get hit by the proverbial bus tomorrow, we can still make a Flightgear release ever again. But also, I'm seeking to remove the human factors from the release process, and especially not feel that we're overloading people just because a release needs to happen - eg, around LinuxTag Durk is often quite busy organising things :) My build system ( http://zakalawe.ath.cx:8080/ ) is working well for Mac and Linux - MinGW is giving me some pain, I will look into cross-compiling mingw this weekend. If anyone wants to volunteer some time, a Windows box with Visual Studio, some disk space, and bandwidth, I am happy to work with them to get an automated VS build going. Adding more automated steps, even ones which only happen for 'special' builds (eg, a release candidate) is extremely trivial. Regards, James -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] June / LinuxTag release
http://calendar.freeflightsim.org/ So we need a working version on the tuesday before .. The following tuesday, U will be taking that to Linux tag.. on a chip ? pete -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Fly In and Linux Tag
So we want some ATC each day and could we plan that ? pete -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiple istance of FlightGear
I tried this once before.. found that you need to hardcode the IP addresses. hope it works pete On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:33 PM, luca nastro liuk_skyla...@hotmail.comwrote: Visualizza caratteri romani Hi, I have a problem: I launch 2 istance FlightGear on two different hosts. I followed the guide describes how to have multi-monitor: fgfs1 - native-fdm = socket, out, 60, IP-host2, 5500, udp fgfs2 - native-fdm = socket, in, 60,, 5500, udp - fdm = null But these lines of command shall ensure that the controls (acceleration, pitch, yaw, etc. ..), the FDM and viewing occurs on fgfs1 while fgfs2 is on display. I want to fgfs1 there are the flight controls, while there is fgfs2 on the FDM and visualization. thanks in advance Luke -- Avatar per Messenger e sfondo per il PC Creali gratis!http://www.experience.windows.com/landing2.aspx?culture=it-it -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] FreeFlightSim.org
Why is the web dev a closed circiut.. Bullshot Baffles Braind as we use in muc terms.. Curt .. step down and delegate.. BTW this does not mean I am automatically mean one iss master Means other ruins it for you.. ta -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] ATC
So ATC is restricted to a few 10's of NM to location This doth not work with sector control, however frivolous that may be.. Ideally I can be ATC for EGLL, EHAM and all in one.. Can we tweak it that way? Also ATC_ML is cool and why is this not in git pps ... CVS ? pete -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Web development
I am just interested to know the state of on-line web presence moving forward. Ta Pete -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
