Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear visualization as streaming video

2007-05-24 Thread Adam Dershowitz

On May 22, 2007, at 7:29 PM, Ron Jensen wrote:

 On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 18:13 +0100, Antonio Almeida wrote:
 Hi,

 I would like to use FlightGear to generate the scene observed by a
 UAV's onboard camera.

 Basically, this would translate to feeding FlightGear the FDM data
 and visualizing the image generated by FlightGear in another  
 computer,
 across a network, using for example streaming video.

 I suppose this is a bit of a far-fetched idea, but is there any sort
 of support for this (or something similar) already implemented?

 If not, do you have any suggestions on how to achieve it, using
 external tools and/or contributing to FlightGear?

 At the moment I'm just brainstorming!

 Thanks,
 António Almeida

 Have you looked at the --jpg-httpd option yet?
 From fgfs --help --verbose:
 --jpg-httpd=portEnable screen shot http server on the  
 specified
 port


 This works to send jpeg images over the net that can be refreshed  
 fairly
 rapidly...  Not exactly streaming video, but close.  I'm not sure  
 if/how
 you could scale it down short of scaling the window on the server
 machine.

 Ron





Hmm?  I have used jpg-httpd to try to capture video and have been  
surprised at how slow the performance is.  I always assumed that it  
was just a limit in the FG implementation, but now that I see the  
above it makes me wonder why I am running so slowly.  I can probably  
get something like a frame every 2 seconds.  I have tried using  
firefox and curl to grab images and they are slow to download.
Any ideas why I might be having that kind of performance when others  
are seeing fast performance?
I am running with FG 9.10 (release version not CVS) on a MacBookPro  
(2.16 GHz Intel Core Duo) and FG itself gives a good frame rate.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear visualization as streaming video

2007-05-24 Thread Leidson Campos A. Ferreira

Hi Adam,

In fact, the 0.9.10 is very slow, but I did a rewrite of httpd-jpg code and
I believe that this feature will be released with 0.9.11 version.

Try get latest CVS code and you'll see that is really very fast. FlightGear
now is capable to stream the images almost so fast as simulator screen.

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On 5/24/07, Adam Dershowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



On May 22, 2007, at 7:29 PM, Ron Jensen wrote:

 On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 18:13 +0100, Antonio Almeida wrote:
 Hi,

 I would like to use FlightGear to generate the scene observed by a
 UAV's onboard camera.

 Basically, this would translate to feeding FlightGear the FDM data
 and visualizing the image generated by FlightGear in another
 computer,
 across a network, using for example streaming video.

 I suppose this is a bit of a far-fetched idea, but is there any sort
 of support for this (or something similar) already implemented?

 If not, do you have any suggestions on how to achieve it, using
 external tools and/or contributing to FlightGear?

 At the moment I'm just brainstorming!

 Thanks,
 António Almeida

 Have you looked at the --jpg-httpd option yet?
 From fgfs --help --verbose:
 --jpg-httpd=portEnable screen shot http server on the
 specified
 port


 This works to send jpeg images over the net that can be refreshed
 fairly
 rapidly...  Not exactly streaming video, but close.  I'm not sure
 if/how
 you could scale it down short of scaling the window on the server
 machine.

 Ron





Hmm?  I have used jpg-httpd to try to capture video and have been
surprised at how slow the performance is.  I always assumed that it
was just a limit in the FG implementation, but now that I see the
above it makes me wonder why I am running so slowly.  I can probably
get something like a frame every 2 seconds.  I have tried using
firefox and curl to grab images and they are slow to download.
Any ideas why I might be having that kind of performance when others
are seeing fast performance?
I am running with FG 9.10 (release version not CVS) on a MacBookPro
(2.16 GHz Intel Core Duo) and FG itself gives a good frame rate.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear visualization as streaming video

2007-05-23 Thread Antonio Almeida
Thanks! That sounds like it could solve my problem. However, I couldn't get
it to work -- FlightGear reports: Unknown option '--jpg_httpd=5502'

My command line, as generated by the wizard, was:

C:\Program Files\FlightGear\bin\win32fgfs.exe --fg-root=C:\Program
Files\Fligh
tGear\data --fg-scenery=C:\Program
Files\FlightGear\data\Scenery;C:\Program
Files\FlightGear\scenery --airport-id=02Q --aircraft=f16 --control=joystick
--d
isable-random-objects --disable-ai-models --jpg_httpd=5502

I tried with --jpg-httpd=5502, and I get the same error: Unknown option
'--jpg-httpd=5502'

I'm running v0.9.10, could that be the problem?

Antonio

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Sent: quarta-feira, 23 de Maio de 2007 3:30
To: FlightGear developers discussions
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear visualization as streaming video

On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 18:13 +0100, Antonio Almeida wrote:
 Hi,
  
 I would like to use FlightGear to generate the scene observed by a 
 UAV's onboard camera.
  
 Basically, this would translate to feeding FlightGear the FDM data and 
 visualizing the image generated by FlightGear in another computer, 
 across a network, using for example streaming video.
  
 I suppose this is a bit of a far-fetched idea, but is there any sort 
 of support for this (or something similar) already implemented?
  
 If not, do you have any suggestions on how to achieve it, using 
 external tools and/or contributing to FlightGear?
  
 At the moment I'm just brainstorming!
  
 Thanks,
 António Almeida

Have you looked at the --jpg-httpd option yet?  
From fgfs --help --verbose:
--jpg-httpd=portEnable screen shot http server on the specified
port


This works to send jpeg images over the net that can be refreshed fairly
rapidly...  Not exactly streaming video, but close.  I'm not sure if/how you
could scale it down short of scaling the window on the server machine.

Ron




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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear visualization as streaming video

2007-05-23 Thread Leidson Campos A. Ferreira

Yes, the v0.9.10 there a problem with FlightGear Wizard on Windows, but I've
done a fix, please check latest CVS version.

About video streaming, jpg-httpd is working fine and very fast. I've done a
ground station using Borland C++ Builder for a client that is using
Flightgear and this implementation seems to be like your project.

The jpg-httpd option works with impressive performance.


Leidson Campos
PlanetaMessenger.org Java Universal Messenger


On 5/23/07, Antonio Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks! That sounds like it could solve my problem. However, I couldn't
get
it to work -- FlightGear reports: Unknown option '--jpg_httpd=5502'

My command line, as generated by the wizard, was:

C:\Program Files\FlightGear\bin\win32fgfs.exe --fg-root=C:\Program
Files\Fligh
tGear\data --fg-scenery=C:\Program
Files\FlightGear\data\Scenery;C:\Program
Files\FlightGear\scenery --airport-id=02Q --aircraft=f16
--control=joystick
--d
isable-random-objects --disable-ai-models --jpg_httpd=5502

I tried with --jpg-httpd=5502, and I get the same error: Unknown option
'--jpg-httpd=5502'

I'm running v0.9.10, could that be the problem?

Antonio

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Sent: quarta-feira, 23 de Maio de 2007 3:30
To: FlightGear developers discussions
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear visualization as streaming
video

On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 18:13 +0100, Antonio Almeida wrote:
 Hi,

 I would like to use FlightGear to generate the scene observed by a
 UAV's onboard camera.

 Basically, this would translate to feeding FlightGear the FDM data and
 visualizing the image generated by FlightGear in another computer,
 across a network, using for example streaming video.

 I suppose this is a bit of a far-fetched idea, but is there any sort
 of support for this (or something similar) already implemented?

 If not, do you have any suggestions on how to achieve it, using
 external tools and/or contributing to FlightGear?

 At the moment I'm just brainstorming!

 Thanks,
 António Almeida

Have you looked at the --jpg-httpd option yet?
From fgfs --help --verbose:
--jpg-httpd=portEnable screen shot http server on the specified
port


This works to send jpeg images over the net that can be refreshed fairly
rapidly...  Not exactly streaming video, but close.  I'm not sure if/how
you
could scale it down short of scaling the window on the server machine.

Ron




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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear visualization as streaming video

2007-05-23 Thread Antonio Almeida
Thanks, I'll check out the latest CVS version as soon as I get around to
implementing.
 
Your experience is very similar to what I was looking for! If it is as fast
as you mention then it will surely be enough to simulate a streaming video,
from the viewer's perspective.
 
I believe jpg-httpd will be enough for my purposes, however a standard
streaming video would still be nicer. If FlightGear is able to generate
those jpgs, then it may be possible to encode them to a video in real-time,
using third party tools, and stream it. Perhaps I could contribute with such
a feature (not in the near future, I'm afraid).
 
Antonio

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Sent: quarta-feira, 23 de Maio de 2007 14:51
To: FlightGear developers discussions
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear visualization as streaming video


Yes, the v0.9.10 there a problem with FlightGear Wizard on Windows, but I've
done a fix, please check latest CVS version.

About video streaming, jpg-httpd is working fine and very fast. I've done a
ground station using Borland C++ Builder for a client that is using
Flightgear and this implementation seems to be like your project. 

The jpg-httpd option works with impressive performance.


Leidson Campos
PlanetaMessenger.org Java Universal Messenger



On 5/23/07, Antonio Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Thanks! That sounds like it could solve my problem. However, I couldn't get
it to work -- FlightGear reports: Unknown option '--jpg_httpd=5502'

My command line, as generated by the wizard, was:

C:\Program Files\FlightGear\bin\win32fgfs.exe --fg-root=C:\Program
Files\Fligh
tGear\data --fg-scenery=C:\Program
Files\FlightGear\data\Scenery;C:\Program
Files\FlightGear\scenery --airport-id=02Q --aircraft=f16 --control=joystick

--d
isable-random-objects --disable-ai-models --jpg_httpd=5502

I tried with --jpg-httpd=5502, and I get the same error: Unknown option
'--jpg-httpd=5502'

I'm running v0.9.10, could that be the problem? 

Antonio

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Sent: quarta-feira, 23 de Maio de 2007 3:30
To: FlightGear developers discussions
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear visualization as streaming video 

On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 18:13 +0100, Antonio Almeida wrote:
 Hi,

 I would like to use FlightGear to generate the scene observed by a
 UAV's onboard camera.

 Basically, this would translate to feeding FlightGear the FDM data and 
 visualizing the image generated by FlightGear in another computer,
 across a network, using for example streaming video.

 I suppose this is a bit of a far-fetched idea, but is there any sort 
 of support for this (or something similar) already implemented?

 If not, do you have any suggestions on how to achieve it, using
 external tools and/or contributing to FlightGear?

 At the moment I'm just brainstorming!

 Thanks,
 António Almeida

Have you looked at the --jpg-httpd option yet?
From fgfs --help --verbose:
--jpg-httpd=portEnable screen shot http server on the specified 
port


This works to send jpeg images over the net that can be refreshed fairly
rapidly...  Not exactly streaming video, but close.  I'm not sure if/how you
could scale it down short of scaling the window on the server machine. 

Ron




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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear visualization as streaming video

2007-05-23 Thread Jon Stockill
Antonio Almeida wrote:
 Thanks, I'll check out the latest CVS version as soon as I get around to 
 implementing.
  
 Your experience is very similar to what I was looking for! If it is as 
 fast as you mention then it will surely be enough to simulate a 
 streaming video, from the viewer's perspective.
  
 I believe jpg-httpd will be enough for my purposes, however a standard 
 streaming video would still be nicer. If FlightGear is able to generate 
 those jpgs, then it may be possible to encode them to a video in 
 real-time, using third party tools, and stream it. Perhaps I could 
 contribute with such a feature (not in the near future, I'm afraid).

FFMPEG may be useful in converting and streaming the jpegs.

Jon

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear visualization as streaming video

2007-05-23 Thread GWMobile
Are all of these streaming programs just linux or also windows?


On Wed, 23 May 2007 11:38 am, Jon Stockill wrote:
 Antonio Almeida wrote:
  Thanks, I'll check out the latest CVS version as soon as I get around 
 to
  implementing.

  Your experience is very similar to what I was looking for! If it is as
  fast as you mention then it will surely be enough to simulate a
  streaming video, from the viewer's perspective.

  I believe jpg-httpd will be enough for my purposes, however a standard
  streaming video would still be nicer. If FlightGear is able to 
 generate
  those jpgs, then it may be possible to encode them to a video in
  real-time, using third party tools, and stream it. Perhaps I could
  contribute with such a feature (not in the near future, I'm afraid).

 FFMPEG may be useful in converting and streaming the jpegs.

 Jon

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear visualization as streaming video

2007-05-23 Thread Leidson Campos A. Ferreira

FFMepg is a complete solution for MPEG encoding/decoding and works for both,
Linux, Windows and maybe other posix systems like OpenBSD, FreeBSD and other
BSD like.

I've done some works with ffmpeg for another client and works fine.

Leidson
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On 5/23/07, GWMobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Are all of these streaming programs just linux or also windows?


On Wed, 23 May 2007 11:38 am, Jon Stockill wrote:
 Antonio Almeida wrote:
  Thanks, I'll check out the latest CVS version as soon as I get around
 to
  implementing.

  Your experience is very similar to what I was looking for! If it is as
  fast as you mention then it will surely be enough to simulate a
  streaming video, from the viewer's perspective.

  I believe jpg-httpd will be enough for my purposes, however a standard
  streaming video would still be nicer. If FlightGear is able to
 generate
  those jpgs, then it may be possible to encode them to a video in
  real-time, using third party tools, and stream it. Perhaps I could
  contribute with such a feature (not in the near future, I'm afraid).

 FFMPEG may be useful in converting and streaming the jpegs.

 Jon


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear visualization as streaming video

2007-05-22 Thread Curtis Olson

Hi Antonio,

I'm just stepping out of the office for a bit, but here's a couple teaser
movies for you:  Synthetic view + live video ...

Side by side:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SAMGnK9ztdA

Blended overlay:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RgK1019Bjno

The movie streams were captured separately and edited together, but with
proper hardware/software, the two streams could have been captured together.

Regards,

Curt.



On 5/22/07, Antonio Almeida  wrote:


 Hi,

I would like to use FlightGear to generate the scene observed by a UAV's
onboard camera.

Basically, this would translate to feeding FlightGear the FDM data
and visualizing the image generated by FlightGear in another computer,
across a network, using for example streaming video.

I suppose this is a bit of a far-fetched idea, but is there any sort of
support for this (or something similar) already implemented?

If not, do you have any suggestions on how to achieve it, using external
tools and/or contributing to FlightGear?

At the moment I'm just brainstorming!

Thanks,
António Almeida


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear visualization as streaming video

2007-05-22 Thread Francois du Plessis
Hi Curt
Am I correct in saying that the FlightGear outside world that you use for
these images were specially generated for the location?  It seems like this
is not the general kind of FlighGear scenery.
 
Francois

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Hi Antonio,

I'm just stepping out of the office for a bit, but here's a couple teaser
movies for you:  Synthetic view + live video ...

Side by side:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SAMGnK9ztdA

Blended overlay:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RgK1019Bjno

The movie streams were captured separately and edited together, but with
proper hardware/software, the two streams could have been captured together.


Regards,

Curt.




On 5/22/07, Antonio Almeida  wrote: 

Hi,
 
I would like to use FlightGear to generate the scene observed by a UAV's
onboard camera. 
 
Basically, this would translate to feeding FlightGear the FDM data and
visualizing the image generated by FlightGear in another computer, across a
network, using for example streaming video.
 
I suppose this is a bit of a far-fetched idea, but is there any sort of
support for this (or something similar) already implemented? 
 
If not, do you have any suggestions on how to achieve it, using external
tools and/or contributing to FlightGear?
 
At the moment I'm just brainstorming!
 
Thanks,
António Almeida
 

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear visualization as streaming video

2007-05-22 Thread Rob Oates

Hi Curt,

I noticed your 2 videos yesterday on youtube, very impressive.

Do you think you could post something on the flightgear wiki on how to add
geospecific scenery to flightgear?

Thanks
-R





On 5/22/07, Curtis Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Antonio,

I'm just stepping out of the office for a bit, but here's a couple teaser
movies for you:  Synthetic view + live video ...

Side by side:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SAMGnK9ztdA

Blended overlay:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RgK1019Bjno

The movie streams were captured separately and edited together, but with
proper hardware/software, the two streams could have been captured together.


Regards,

Curt.



 On 5/22/07, Antonio Almeida  wrote:

  Hi,

 I would like to use FlightGear to generate the scene observed by a UAV's
 onboard camera.

 Basically, this would translate to feeding FlightGear the FDM data
 and visualizing the image generated by FlightGear in another computer,
 across a network, using for example streaming video.

 I suppose this is a bit of a far-fetched idea, but is there any sort of
 support for this (or something similar) already implemented?

 If not, do you have any suggestions on how to achieve it, using external
 tools and/or contributing to FlightGear?

 At the moment I'm just brainstorming!

 Thanks,
 António Almeida



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear visualization as streaming video

2007-05-22 Thread Curtis Olson

On 5/22/07, Antonio Almeida wrote:


 Hi Curt,

Yes, I had already seen your videos, pretty impressive! -- and a fantastic
demonstrator for FlightGear :)

My issue, however, is not quite that: I wanted to capture the FG imagery
and stream it over the web... (or some similar solution)



I've never done web streaming, but I assume there must be various software
packages available to do that.  For capturing FlightGear video, I've had my
best results using a scan converter to convert the vga signal to NTSC (or
PAL) then feeding that into a video capture device attached to a second
computer.  Tools like xvidcap and fraps compete with FlightGear on the same
machine for cpu cycles and can bring down your frame rates.  But as far as
specific ideas for web streaming video, hopefully someone else has ideas for
that.

Regards,

Curt.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear visualization as streaming video

2007-05-22 Thread Ron Jensen
On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 18:13 +0100, Antonio Almeida wrote:
 Hi,
  
 I would like to use FlightGear to generate the scene observed by a
 UAV's onboard camera. 
  
 Basically, this would translate to feeding FlightGear the FDM data
 and visualizing the image generated by FlightGear in another computer,
 across a network, using for example streaming video.
  
 I suppose this is a bit of a far-fetched idea, but is there any sort
 of support for this (or something similar) already implemented? 
  
 If not, do you have any suggestions on how to achieve it, using
 external tools and/or contributing to FlightGear?
  
 At the moment I'm just brainstorming!
  
 Thanks,
 António Almeida

Have you looked at the --jpg-httpd option yet?  
From fgfs --help --verbose:
--jpg-httpd=portEnable screen shot http server on the specified
port


This works to send jpeg images over the net that can be refreshed fairly
rapidly...  Not exactly streaming video, but close.  I'm not sure if/how
you could scale it down short of scaling the window on the server
machine.

Ron




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