Re: [Flightgear-devel] view change crashes
* Curtis L. Olson -- Wednesday 23 August 2006 04:45: I'm really nervous about pasting over a serious bug like this. We really need to get to the bottom of it. A quick hack like this will only cause us to accumulate serious (but infrequent bugs) and eventually We aren't pasting over this. The error message is still there, and the one who caused that bug is well aware of it. We can make that message even bigger. Or we can revert all of Mathias' commits in the last four weeks. But what we can *not* do is let fgfs abort because of this at every other run. Except if you want to stop every other development as long as it isn't fixed. The silly aborts don't make working with fgfs easier, not to speak of more enjoyable. m. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Garmin Series 400 Aviation In data format
Curtis L. Olson wrote : Frederic Bouvier wrote: Is it supposed to work with the Garmin GPS III Pilot ? this is a portable unit, and it happens I own one. BTW, 295 and 296 are portable too. I think the answer is yes, it should work with the GPS III, But I don't have one here to test with, so I can't say for sure. What option do you use to make it working ? I tried --AV400=serial,out,5,com1,9600 and --AV400=serial,out,5,com1,4800 without luck. Assuming the GPS unit interface is set to Aviation In, and not GARMIN Here is an HEX sample of the message transmitted : Length 127: 02 7A 30 30 32 38 35 0D 0A 41 4E 20 34 38 20 34 33 36 32 0D 0A 42 45 20 30 30 32 20 32 34 31 38 0D 0A 43 30 39 30 0D 0A 44 30 30 30 0D 0A 45 2D 2D 2D 2D 2D 0D 0A 47 2D 2D 2D 2D 2D 0D 0A 49 2D 2D 2D 2D 0D 0A 4B 2D 2D 2D 2D 2D 0D 0A 4C 2D 2D 2D 2D 0D 0A 51 57 30 31 30 0D 0A 53 2D 2D 2D 2D 2D 0D 0A 54 2D 2D 2D 2D 2D 2D 2D 2D 2D 0D 0A 77 30 31 41 0D 0A 6C 2D 2D 2D 2D 2D 2D 0D 0A 03 and another in ascii : Length 127: .z00285..AN 48 4362..BE 002 2418..C000..D000..E-..G-..I..K-..L..QW010..S-..T-..w01A..l--... The dots represents non printable characters. And I don't know if there is a special mode I am supposed to put the unit into. -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://frfoto.free.fr Photo gallery - album photo http://www.fotolia.fr/p/2278 Other photo gallery http://fgsd.sourceforge.net/ FlightGear Scenery Designer - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] view change crashes
* Melchior FRANZ -- Wednesday 23 August 2006 08:34: Or we can revert all of Mathias' commits in the last four weeks. This wasn't meant seriously, but rather just as an (undesirable) option that would be better still than letting fgfs abort for no good reason, and very frequently, too. Mathias didn't ignore the problem, but simply couldn't reproduce, so we'll need some more input. I fly about as often in the bay aread as I'm flying in Austria. Yet, I think I've only seen the problem twice in the former, but *many* times in the latter area. The only relevant difference is that no part of Austria lies at sea level. :-) Could this play a role? As it only happens when switching views (away from cockpit view?), I'd suspect this change as the most likely cause: RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/src/Main/viewer.cxx,v revision 1.23 date: 2006-07-27 18:36:22 +0200; author: frohlich; state: Exp; lines: +4 -7; Clean up scenery center handling. It is set now less often. Umm ... maybe not often enough? :-] m. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Ackk! 737
Ack! I might have screwed up the 737 aircraft in CVS. I think I tried to copy a bunch of stuff out of the 737, but got the cvs directories too (dumb) and then when I went to change/remove files to suit my new aircraft, I didn't realize I was changing the 737 (because I wasn't in that directory, but that's where the cvs entries pointed to.) I will fix it up again here today. Sorry for any inconvenience, must have been tired last night and trying to get too many things done at once. :-( Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://baron.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] apt.dat and debugging
Wednesday, 23 August 2006. Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] apt.dat and debugging I built FG using MSVC 2005, and the release build version works great. I tried to step through the code using the debugger, but ... What I did though was I have created a seperate FG root and use that for debugging (via FG_ROOT environment variable or --fg-root)... I suspected that the solution would be something like this. Your suggestion worked great. Loading the DEBUG version, in the MSVC IDE debugger, or not, will ALWAYS take a LOT LONGER ... in ALL versions of MSVC (7 or 8) ... As you may know, under the DEBUG configuration - (a) EVERY function has additional start and end code, a stack check, that fills the stack with a 'known' value, so on return, it can check if there has been some over-run, or other stack failure ... (b) EVERY allocation of memory using new, uses new_debug (IIRC), and - (i) has the memory filled with a 'known' value, like 0xd...(IIRC) etc, and (ii) keeps a list of the allocations, so the debugger can report use of un-initialised memory, and memory not freed ... And, of course, the DEBUG EXE is usually many times larger than the RELEASE EXE ... and this is increased MORE if you are also using DEBUG versions of the static libraries, like simgear, zlib, plib, etc ... and/or DEBUG versions of the shared libraries (DLL), like alut.dll, openal32.dll, etc ... Things like this cause a VERY SLOW DEBUG configuration load, and running ... separating, and using a trimmed down versions of apt.dat and nav.dat may speed up that part of the load, but, as stated, every function call is SLOWER, and still all memory allocations are so 'guarded' ... But under DEBUG, it does allow you to 'see' the BIG difference between a function call - void foo( string s ) and void foo( string s ) The former must create a copy of the string, involving memory allocation before, and tidy() after, while the latter just passes a pointer to the existing 's' ... I 'hope' linux has 'similar' items to aid in the 'debug' versus the 'release' version ... It is a simple fact of life, that to run FG under the MSVC debugger takes 'forever', ALWAYS ... it does require considerable patience ... but a lot can be learned ;=)) Regards, Geoff. EOF - fg-47.doc _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ackk! 737
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Ack! I might have screwed up the 737 aircraft in CVS. I think I tried to copy a bunch of stuff out of the 737, but got the cvs directories too (dumb) and then when I went to change/remove files to suit my new aircraft, I didn't realize I was changing the 737 (because I wasn't in that directory, but that's where the cvs entries pointed to.) I will fix it up again here today. Sorry for any inconvenience, must have been tired last night and trying to get too many things done at once. :-( This should be all fixed up now. Majorly stupid blunder on my part ... sorry to the authors and users of this aircraft, but all fixed back up again now. Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://baron.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ideal/best joystick, yoke, and pedal hardware for FlightGear?
--- Curtis L. Olson wrote: Question: what is the very best joystick, yoke, and rudder pedal hardware available for FlightGear? Preferably USB based. snip Curt singing the praises of Black Widow or Alienware ... ? Well, I'd guess the CH products line are going to be high on the list. I have their USB rudder pedals and have been very impressed - though they were £100+. They've definitely improved my (sim) flying and are accurate enough to sideslip with, However, I think my wife would have a fit if I bought a Yoke - at least the pedals can be kept out of sight of visitors! Sounds like a good project Curt. -Stuart ___ Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] view change crashes
On Wednesday 23 August 2006 03:45, Curtis L. Olson wrote: [snip...] For what it's worth I can reliably trigger this bug by running: fgfs --airport=N59 Once FG starts up, hit the v key to switch to the outside view. This seems to trigger the bug every time. Thanks, Curt. Just tried it here and couldn't reproduce this problem. Tried fgfs --airport=N59, a different a/c and also starting at KSFO and then re-locating there. about a week old cvs... LeeE - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ideal/best joystick, yoke,
Curtis L. Olson wrote: So anyway, I'm looking for suggestions on the best flight controllers available so these can be offered optionally with the computer package. Unfortunately the sort of equipment they'd like to bundle with FlightGear is not the same as Joe Average somehow FlightGear- contributor or at least -enthusiast is able to afford. If I had the chance to do so then I'd go out for a set of console, radio stack, pedals and power quadrants manufactured by FlightLink. From my understanding these guys really took the route for maximum reality in the PeeCee flightsim sector - especially the mechanics of their pedals appear to make much sense. Unfortunately there's no reseller whom you could visit for a trial and as a complete set that represents the equipment for a small, IFR-equpipped twin costs you about 6k USD I don't see any chance to get hold of such a set in the future (for this money I'd try to get a twin rating for real life ...). The CH controls I had the ability to get my hands on all have one significant drawback as they are centered by an almost linear spring load. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ideal/best joystick, yoke, and pedal hardware for FlightGear?
Question: what is the very best joystick, yoke, and rudder pedal hardware available for FlightGear? Preferably USB based. My best experience with simulation hardware was in a ELITE FNPT II simulator (www.flyelite.ch) with forcefeedback yoke and pedals and a nice stack of fake king com/nav/autopilot and a real GNS430 in simulation mode. They sell their controls separately and they should be working with fg. I was not able to persuade the flightschool that just bought that nifty toy to kick out the windows based original software by a linux based flightgear installation, so I was not able to check this out. Torsten - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] view change crashes
* Stefan Seifert -- Wednesday 23 August 2006 22:03: Before Melchior's work-around I could reproduce the problem with fgfs --disable-auto-coordination --aircraft=harrier --carrier=Nimitz Just switch views and it crashes. But you should still see the error message, as I put the return after it, to prevent the unjustified abortion, but not the justified complaint. If it doesn't appear, then the bug went away. src/Scenery/tilemgr.cxx:163: SG_LOG( SG_TERRAIN, SG_ALERT, Attempting to schedule tiles for bogus lon and lat = ( longitude , latitude ) ); return; // FIXME m. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] view change crashes
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Stefan Seifert -- Wednesday 23 August 2006 22:03: Before Melchior's work-around I could reproduce the problem with fgfs --disable-auto-coordination --aircraft=harrier --carrier=Nimitz Just switch views and it crashes. But you should still see the error message, as I put the return after it, to prevent the unjustified abortion, but not the justified complaint. If it doesn't appear, then the bug went away. It seems like it went away. I do not get any unusual messages now. Nine - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] view change crashes
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Stefan Seifert wrote: Melchior FRANZ wrote: But you should still see the error message, as I put the return after it, to prevent the unjustified abortion, but not the justified complaint. If it doesn't appear, then the bug went away. It seems like it went away. I do not get any unusual messages now. Hi, Do you use terrasync? I sometimes[1] get this error message when I start fgfs in a tile that terrasync hasn't downloaded yet. If I restart fgfs once the tile has been downloaded I don't get the error message again. [1] I got this behaviour for EGPA (Kirkwall) and EKVG (Vagar) but not for EKRN (Bornholm). Cheers, Anders -- In a world without fences, who needs gates? - | Anders Gidenstam | Tel: 031-230645 070-296 1707 | | Email: anders(at)gidenstam.org | WWW: http://www.gidenstam.org| - (Note to Outlook users: Click forward/vidarebefodra to make any attachments visible.) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2d panels ...
Just wondering if it is possible to clip 2d instruments to keep textures / text from sliding around on the panel /windshield: AFAIK this has always been a limitation of the 2D panels. Also could a groundspeed property be added to /velocities property tree without too much difficulty? I've been using velocities/uBody-fps. A velocities/ground-speed-knots would be very nice. It should have been added years ago. Dave Hi Dave , thanks for the info... I'll dig around and see what I can discover in the source code . Cheers, Syd - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
