Re: FLUXLIST: MP3 project (was MP3)
CSound is still too cryptic / weird for the non-nerd.. tracking is less robotic.. having real equipment is best I dont know if I am a nerd. Rubo (of midi2cs fame) was very helpfull. I have two batchfiles, one is realy important, that calls csound. All I have to do is, after editing midi2cs's "midi2cs.pro" file (which is sotosay the Gui of midi2cs) (1) to produce a midifile, lets say bla.mid, (2) to type "midi2cs bla" and (3), this is the important batchfile, "cs bla". No, I dont think I am a nerd, I just dont have problems with command line interfaces. And I dont have the money for a real sampler. Btw, all samplers have latencies, csound not. Not so important for this kind of "music", I think, but who knows. The most important thing to know is that samples must be "aif" (I think they must be 16 bit too, but they are 16 bit anyway, and that they must have names like "blablaf4.aif", with the note value at the end. You dont need to know much more about the many dirs for samples etc, all files, *.mid, *.aif, the midi2cs.pro file, the resulting *.sco and *.orc (for csound, produces by midi2cs, thanks !) are in the same directory. Anyway, it costs nothing, some thoughs, it has limits (you must use drumloops like other samples, less interactiv than a real sampler), but for me it was worth the try. There is a "makemusicfast.zip" containing midi2cs, csound, loop.exe (which makes aif samples loop, if you havent got Soundforge) and a Readme file, that is on the Leonardo Music Journal CD and, well Owen has more important things to do, I could look for it and put it into www.uni-bonn.de/~uzs106/, but you can get midi2cs and csound also from Robos site, ask altavista for "midi2cs". Heiko
Re: FLUXLIST: MP3 project (was MP3)
Im intrested in this concept, but I have never used midi before...is there any progs you suggest? who've never used sequencers it's pretty easy, if you don't have a midi keyboard you can add a track just using the mouse or some packages allow you to "play" your computer keyboard. There is a program called "midikeys", which makes it possible to use the computer keyboard. Ask altavista. Very ok, if you have a PC. And if you are interested in a "sampler", get "midi2cs" etc. Its much better than just converting with "general midi" sounds into wav (and mp3). I did this conversion with a 486 dx 33, which was slow. A pentium is faster. Shure ;-) I got a midikeyboard (evolution is rather cheap, around 100 Mullas), Made in China, but I am not shure, if this is realy better than just midikeys. Well, violin is my first instrument.. Heiko
Re: FLUXLIST: MP3 project (was MP3)
It's just a very good, free, well done service.. you should take a look at what they offer for artists, next time you're there. Ok ;-) - Official mp3.com spokesman of fluxlist
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I'll try and find a suitable freeware/shareware sequencer in the next couple of days. If Heiko or anyone else knows of anymore public domain music software please let us all know. http://www.maz-sound.com !
Re: FLUXLIST: MP3 project (was MP3)
On the topic of the whole MP3 project: Wasn't there something involving DJ Spooky and Thurston Moore that came about in this sort of nature? I remember hearing that Thurston sent out a lot of random files (wav? mp3?) of him playing guitar and stuff to different people. Does anyone know anything more about this project? Did it ever actually get released? If so, what does it sound like, and where could one obtain it? -nick
Re: FLUXLIST: MP3 project (was MP3)
At 20:07 00-02-08 -0500, you wrote: On the topic of the whole MP3 project: Wasn't there something involving DJ Spooky and Thurston Moore that came about in this sort of nature? I remember hearing that Thurston sent out a lot of random files (wav? mp3?) of him playing guitar and stuff to different people. Does anyone know anything more about this project? Did it ever actually get released? If so, what does it sound like, and where could one obtain it? i'm told that in the last issue of Alternative Press, TM said he was shopping for a label for an album he had recorded with DJ Spooky and Yoko Ono. BUT : early last week, Yoko was asked if she had plans for a new record and she said she was going in the studio next summer... It does not mean she has not done anything with TM, but she might be keeping her mouth shut so as not to jynx the project. Richard
Re: FLUXLIST: MP3 project (was MP3)
But I dont understand, why you suggest putting things onto mp3.com. Why support such "portals" ? "Label fetishism" ? ;-) Mp3.com is great! I don't think anyone really pays attention to the portal part... :D It's much better than throwing your mp3's on a server and expecting people to visit it.. ( you'll have to do a lot of shameless advertising / plugging ). There's something like a community there too.. artists trade feedback and link to each other, remix each other.. really neat. It's just a very good, free, well done service.. you should take a look at what they offer for artists, next time you're there. - Official mp3.com spokesman of fluxlist
Re: FLUXLIST: MP3 project (was MP3)
Hi, On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Sol Nte wrote: Things like that are allready done or tried on a "professionel" level. I'm not interested in professional levels or if it's been done before. I We are testing media ;-)
Re: FLUXLIST: MP3 project (was MP3)
I would definitely like to take part in something like this, if it ends up taking place. I'm pretty sure my keyboard has midi capabilities, i may need to buy a cable or something, but basically "i'm in". I could also help make CDs and distribute it to local independant record stores. - nick On 9 Feb 00, at 10:52, Sol Nte wrote: Eryk wrote: Yes, but certainly there are several collaborations that can go out without real time. And there is a general midi-based network thingamabob that lets you jam in real time, though you are stuck to general midi which is limiting and not very fun after a while This is closer to what I was thinking about. Although I see no need for real time. I envisioned using midi (.mid) files in an "add and pass" manner (somewhat akin to a mail-art collage or collaborative artist's book but with sound). For example each of us could choose an instrument so if there were 3 people we could have a drummer, a bassist and a pianist( we need to define who plays what in order to create a proper band structure although people could play different instruments on different tunes)The drummer could begin everything by laying down a drum track (using general midi sounds on channel 10) in a suitable sequencer then saving that drum track as a .mid file and e-mailing it to the bassist who opens the file in his or her sequencer and adds the baseline then saves the new .mid file (drums and bass) and e-mails it to the pianist etc. etc. You could build everything from a whole orchestra to a garage band in this way. Sticking to the general midi standard would mean that it would sound the same on everyone's computers( okay those with FM soundcards may not hear such good things as those with wavetable cards but they could still enjoy the rhythms and melodies and add something). Sequencers like evolution audio will even run on a 386sx so really anyone with a 386 and above and access to e-mail could take part. Midi files are very small so are easy to send as attachments also. Once the file has been passed round and finished the result could be rendered as a wav file(with high-quality synthesis) and written to CD ( I have facilities to do this and I guess others of you do too) also the wav could be converted to MP3 and put on MP3.com To me this seems an interesting way to form a band/orchestra. Also it'll be impossible for any one person to know what the whole thing will sound like until it's finished. Granted using midi means no vocals but that's probably not a bad thing anyway. So is anyone interested in doing this. Working like this will mean that each person can record their part again and again until they're happy with it and you won't feel nervous about playing in front of people either. For those who've never used sequencers it's pretty easy, if you don't have a midi keyboard you can add a track just using the mouse or some packages allow you to "play" your computer keyboard. I would suggest that initially we could make a 4-track EP or something. I would be happy to produce the whole thing on CD and send copies to all the participants. cheers, Sol.
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Well Sol, Im intrested in this concept, but I have never used midi before...is there any progs you suggest? From: "Sol Nte" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FLUXLIST: MP3 project (was MP3) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:52:09 - Eryk wrote: Yes, but certainly there are several collaborations that can go out without real time. And there is a general midi-based network thingamabob that lets you jam in real time, though you are stuck to general midi which is limiting and not very fun after a while This is closer to what I was thinking about. Although I see no need for real time. I envisioned using midi (.mid) files in an "add and pass" manner (somewhat akin to a mail-art collage or collaborative artist's book but with sound). For example each of us could choose an instrument so if there were 3 people we could have a drummer, a bassist and a pianist( we need to define who plays what in order to create a proper band structure although people could play different instruments on different tunes)The drummer could begin everything by laying down a drum track (using general midi sounds on channel 10) in a suitable sequencer then saving that drum track as a .mid file and e-mailing it to the bassist who opens the file in his or her sequencer and adds the baseline then saves the new .mid file (drums and bass) and e-mails it to the pianist etc. etc. You could build everything from a whole orchestra to a garage band in this way. Sticking to the general midi standard would mean that it would sound the same on everyone's computers( okay those with FM soundcards may not hear such good things as those with wavetable cards but they could still enjoy the rhythms and melodies and add something). Sequencers like evolution audio will even run on a 386sx so really anyone with a 386 and above and access to e-mail could take part. Midi files are very small so are easy to send as attachments also. Once the file has been passed round and finished the result could be rendered as a wav file(with high-quality synthesis) and written to CD ( I have facilities to do this and I guess others of you do too) also the wav could be converted to MP3 and put on MP3.com To me this seems an interesting way to form a band/orchestra. Also it'll be impossible for any one person to know what the whole thing will sound like until it's finished. Granted using midi means no vocals but that's probably not a bad thing anyway. So is anyone interested in doing this. Working like this will mean that each person can record their part again and again until they're happy with it and you won't feel nervous about playing in front of people either. For those who've never used sequencers it's pretty easy, if you don't have a midi keyboard you can add a track just using the mouse or some packages allow you to "play" your computer keyboard. I would suggest that initially we could make a 4-track EP or something. I would be happy to produce the whole thing on CD and send copies to all the participants. cheers, Sol. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
