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kathy --- did you ever get anyone to narrrow down or focus on one of these? or did you decide what you might enjoy most working on and gathering/arranging? the list itself gives me a thrill/idea -- for each one to list her list of what to put into such a book, passions, dailies, all of it, minimal or messy-to-max size to be common but content to be individual flux-list-ness according to individual?or random choosing via yr grabbing one of these ideas from hat?we await our orders we of many mentioned maybes one-page book that says fluxlist book compiled into ONE book? just don't want this idea to get lost .. nbb In a message dated 4/16/2002 9:52:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 50 books by 50 people. Cohere by theme, size, story. five totally unrelated collages. A day in the life My first computer Favorite socks Biography of another fluxlist member books pages flipping in hand Modern Saints/Modern Sinners, dead or just playing dead festive religious theme just Fluxlist. the part the list plays. forty six minutes in the evening with a stop watch. modern sinners bios, fake and fantasy free reign, free rain hot air balloon zine as object saints and sinners Seven deadlies plus seven (noncanonical) virtues, make up one's own Fluxus Tarot? 78 cards, Major Arcana only, Or not. the Fluxus Carrot a story for kids and other young animals Pulled over for weaving. milligan pomes biography of fifty non-existent Fluxus artists, with pictures, a fluxusness justification spoof where characters meet manifesto criteria Biographies of nonexistent people Fluxlist Cooks The Fluxlist Gourmet Companion The favourite meals of the Fluxmasters Famous Suppers Scores and events that are food related Edible art How To Run A Successful Fluxus Dinner Party Poems, stories, pictures... The Fluxus Parrot.
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Okay, it's too quiet again. Where'd everyone go? I'm happy to take responsibility for whatever coordinating needs to be done to distribute 50x50 books, or however many get made, 15x15, Nn. According to the secretary's minutes, taken from the flooded flow, Modern Saints and Sinners, fake and fantasy, an interpretation seems to be popular. Ditto fluxlist itself or 50 fluxlist biographies, a spoof. If anyone's still out there... NBB is on my page! This just in: kathy --- did you ever get anyone to narrrow down or focus on one of these? or did you decide what you might enjoy most working on and gathering/arranging? I was either avoiding responsibility or otherwise preoccupied. Most likely the latter. the list itself gives me a thrill/idea -- for each one to list her list of what to put into such a book, passions, dailies, all of it, minimal or messy-to-max size to be common but content to be individual flux-list-ness according to individual? Maybe either this, freeform, or below, a chosen topic, so it would be your choice. or random choosing via yr grabbing one of these ideas from hat?we await our orders we of many mentioned maybes Maybe, maybe not. I'd tend reflexively to want a similar story, something that would be better covered by 50 people than by one. Subject would cohere. And size, not exact, but a minimum/maximum range, Say 2x2 to 9x11 (I have space but not unlimited, though elephant folios would be cool) one-page book that says fluxlist book compiled into ONE book? just don't want this idea to get lost .. nbb I could probably manage the technical publishing but it would be more interesting to gather/arrange/redistribute all everyone else's hard work. There could also be a side by side online project for virtual artists.
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Hi Kathy Nancy, Some really good ideas- biographies of non-existent people is one I'd love to do- but I think the list needs to be fleshed out more, there's a lot of repetition, maybe someone could suggest ideas to further develop? How about libraries of famous artists (like what would Duchamp or Warhol, have in their libraries?). Or a technical report on success of famous artists measured by number of orgasms in their lifetime. Maybe these are too Baroque for what you had in mind. Others have ideas to help? Reed 50 books by 50 people. Cohere by theme, size, story. five totally unrelated collages. A day in the life My first computer Favorite socks Biography of another fluxlist member books pages flipping in hand Modern Saints/Modern Sinners, dead or just playing dead festive religious theme just Fluxlist. the part the list plays. forty six minutes in the evening with a stop watch. modern sinners bios, fake and fantasy free reign, free rain hot air balloon zine as object saints and sinners Seven deadlies plus seven (noncanonical) virtues, make up one's own Fluxus Tarot? 78 cards, Major Arcana only, Or not. the Fluxus Carrot a story for kids and other young animals Pulled over for weaving. milligan pomes biography of fifty non-existent Fluxus artists, with pictures, a fluxusness justification spoof where characters meet manifesto criteria Biographies of nonexistent people Fluxlist Cooks The Fluxlist Gourmet Companion The favourite meals of the Fluxmasters Famous Suppers Scores and events that are food related Edible art How To Run A Successful Fluxus Dinner Party Poems, stories, pictures... The Fluxus Parrot.
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In a message dated 4/20/2002 4:59:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: libraries of famous artists (like what would Duchamp or Warhol, have in their libraries?).
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sorry, meant to add: to reed's idea on libraries --- maybe libraries of imaginary fluxlist artists? -nancy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about libraries of famous artists (like what would Duchamp or Warhol, have in their libraries?).
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LOTS of ideas sort of a flood It might be too difficult, and maybe isn't fluxlist or not fluxlist at all, but how about my day, september 11, 2001? Drawings, words, poems, collage, photographs, audio, flash. 24 ± (n) pages.
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I don't know how it should be sorted out but I really like this idea! Put me on that list! jj --- Kathy Forer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.moma.org/russian/ Could this be a possible next project? Either 50 books with 50 pages by 50 people, 1 books by 50 (or so) people or, ideally, 50 10-page books by 50 people. Like the 50 fluxbox multiples. How would this cohere? Theme, story, size... = I don't think you have to do anything to make your life into a work of art--it is one. What you have to do is observe it, be aware of the weirdness, beauty and artistry that occurs every day. --Anne Maybe __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/
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On 4/16/02 3:17 AM, JJ wrote: I don't know how it should be sorted out but I really like this idea! Put me on that list! SORT: I've still got all the recipes that were submitted for Fluxlist Cooks (ages and ages and ages ago, I'm embarassed to say). Those could be a part of it ME or how about The Fluxlist Gourmet Companion Recipes - eg Maciunas Macaroni and Mussel Pie The favourite meals of the Fluxmasters Famous Suppers (Alan Bukoff, others in the past) Scores and events that are food related Edible art How To Run A Successful Fluxus Dinner Party Poems, stories, pictures... Or The Fluxus Parrot. It could be taught to flap its wings furiously and say What's all this, then?! (which might summon Eric Andersen...but I'm just not sure.) M Biographies of nonexistent people... sounds like a hoot. If I didn't have so many things to do that I need to do first, I'd do that. Ah well... How about a biography of the fifty most famous artists who shoul d have been in Fluxus but didn't exist? I think this could be difficult to do for those who aren't great writers - i think i would struggle. BUT i love the idea and i'd really like to give it a go. could we draw pictures as well? eh? eh? do we have to justify their fluxusness etc? actually that would be tricky as a fairly sophisticated knowledge/understanding of fluxus may be neede before we start spoofing it. i wonder if we could, collectively, decide on a set of criteria that the characters have to meet. e.g. maciunas' 'fluxus art amusement' manifesto, or other well know and generally accepted ideas. this may be limiting but may avoid problems arising with the 'what is fluxus?', fluxus doesn't exist', 'fluxus is this!No it isn't it's THIS!' camps OR slightly less contentious: How about a biography of the fifty most famous artists who shoul d have been ON FLUXLIST but didn't exist? one of my favourite milligan pomes From Sydney Zoo an alligator Was put on board a flying freighter. He ate the pilot And the navigator. And asked for more with mashed potater alan broken down on the information superhighway Dan Howza bout the Fluxus Tarot? waddabowt the Fluxus Carrot a story for kids and other young animals fluxus tarot - like the fluxdeck only with a risk - if misused you could summon eric andersen! (yes! yes! that's for baptising me in the name of the devil! you rotter! ;-) ) broken down on the information superhighway Pulled over for weaving. How about a biography of the fifty most famous artists who shoul d have been in Fluxus but didn't exist? I think this could be difficult to do for those who aren't great writers - i think i would struggle. BUT i love the idea and i'd really like to give it a go. could we draw pictures as well? eh? eh? do we have to justify their fluxusness etc? actually that would be tricky as a fairly sophisticated knowledge/understanding of fluxus may be neede before we start spoofing it. i wonder if we could, collectively, decide on a set of criteria that the characters have to meet. e.g. maciunas' 'fluxus art amusement' manifesto, or other well know and generally accepted ideas. this may be limiting but may avoid problems arising with the 'what is fluxus?', fluxus doesn't exist', 'fluxus is this!No it isn't it's THIS!' camps OR slightly less contentious: How about a biography of the fifty most famous artists who shoul d have been ON FLUXLIST but didn't exist? one of my favourite milligan pomes From Sydney Zoo an alligator1 Was put on board a flying freighter. He ate the pilot And the navigator. And asked for more with mashed potater alan broken down on the information superhighway Howza bout the Fluxus Tarot? Could we get it together for 78 cards? My guess is, uh...no. But,we could do the Major Arcana only, this would also save a lot of discourse on suits (cups, coins, swords, rods). Or we could have the discourse, discard the discourse, and STILL only do the Major Arcana. Or, we could not. Over and Out (cold) M I like saints and sinners, or one that's been around a bit lately, seven deadlies plus seven (noncanonical) virtues--and I mean than one can make up one's own, not just use the old lists AK Yes! The latter! zine as object! Could we get it together intime for a showlet here in Duluth to accompany the Dick Higgins show that will be at the Tweed Museum? I'll get back to the list later w/ more on this. AK How about a biography of the fifty most famous artists who should have been in Fluxus but didn't exist? Meanwhile here's a little Spike poem - I put ten pence in my piggy bank To save for a rainy day It rained the very next morning Three cheers, hip hip hooray! what's it like to ride in a hot air balloon with this we may have even more free reign anyone wanting free rain, i got plenty up here seattle way, will send modern sinners, good bios, fake and fantasy/real good, too fun ideas, keep going Put away the stop
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oh no? i don't know -- i think it works/words/says VERY well this way! LOTS of ideas sort of a flood you captured the energy now the notion will take its own form (but i'm glad i don't have to choose) on we go nbb
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oh no? Uh huh i don't know -- i think it works/words/says VERY well this way! LOTS of ideas sort of a flood you captured the energy now the notion will take its own form (but i'm glad i don't have to choose) on we go Minutes of the fifth meeting 50 books by 50 people. Cohere by theme, size, story. five totally unrelated collages. A day in the life My first computer Favorite socks Biography of another fluxlist member books pages flipping in hand Modern Saints/Modern Sinners, dead or just playing dead festive religious theme just Fluxlist. the part the list plays. forty six minutes in the evening with a stop watch. modern sinners bios, fake and fantasy free reign, free rain hot air balloon zine as object saints and sinners Seven deadlies plus seven (noncanonical) virtues, make up one's own Fluxus Tarot? 78 cards, Major Arcana only, Or not. the Fluxus Carrot a story for kids and other young animals Pulled over for weaving. milligan pomes biography of fifty non-existent Fluxus artists, with pictures, a fluxusness justification spoof where characters meet manifesto criteria Biographies of nonexistent people Fluxlist Cooks The Fluxlist Gourmet Companion The favourite meals of the Fluxmasters Famous Suppers Scores and events that are food related Edible art How To Run A Successful Fluxus Dinner Party Poems, stories, pictures... The Fluxus Parrot.
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Yes! The latter! zine as object! Could we get it together intime for a showlet here in Duluth to accompany the Dick Higgins show that will be at the Tweed Museum? I'll get back to the list later w/ more on this. AK Kathy Forer wrote: http://www.moma.org/russian/ Could this be a possible next project? Either 50 books with 50 pages by 50 people, 1 books by 50 (or so) people or, ideally, 50 10-page books by 50 people. Like the 50 fluxbox multiples. How would this cohere? Theme, story, size...
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kathy, i'll be in! i saw the show just the other day, great stuff. i was so inspired that i came back and made five totally unrelated collages. which was odd - or maybe not. anyway i'd like to do some bookstuff. we have to remember the diffrence in paper sizes (A4 us letter) (in italy i recieved a press pack to copy with text right to the edges of the us letter sized sheets - considering that A4 is a bit narrower - imagine the fun I had at the photocopier.) alan http://www.moma.org/russian/ Could this be a possible next project? Either 50 books with 50 pages by 50 people, 1 books by 50 (or s o) people or, ideally, 50 10-page books by 50 people. Like the 50 fluxbox multi ples. How would this cohere? Theme, story, size...
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wow kathy, what a web site! do you know how to do that type of thing? amazing stuff. if we could do it i would love to. of course i'm still waiting for the rest of the covers to get here in the mail, hint, hint, hint. bests, carrol :) xoo Kathy Forer wrote: http://www.moma.org/russian/ Could this be a possible next project? Either 50 books with 50 pages by 50 people, 1 books by 50 (or so) people or, ideally, 50 10-page books by 50 people. Like the 50 fluxbox multiples. How would this cohere? Theme, story, size... -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://laplaza.org/~datastar/index.html
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On 4/13/02 6:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we have to remember the diffrence in paper sizes (A4 us letter) (in italy i received a press pack to copy with text right to the edges of the us letter sized sheets - considering that A4 is a bit narrower - imagine the fun I had at the photocopier.) How about theme or story, then? A day in the life... My first computer... Favorite socks... Biography of another fluxlist member...
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yes, let's do it! i love the moma site -- feels like you're flipping the pages of the books, in hand, almost --- How about theme or story, then? A day in the life... My first computer... Favorite socks... Biography of another fluxlist member...
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On 4/13/02 8:43 PM, Carol Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow kathy, what a web site! do you know how to do that type of thing? amazing stuff. I thought they were lush, gorgeous. Interesting, inspiring; made it seem simple, fun, accessible. Could be the Cyrillic cuts through a lot. Must see the exhibit now. Though the flash came across really neatly. Just the paper feel light missing. I can kind of fake making Flash. But there are a few people on the list here who are excruciatingly good at it. if we could do it i would love to. of course i'm still waiting for the rest of the covers to get here in the mail, hint, hint, hint. Yes, yes yes. You and Uncle Sam :) Tomorrow's reserved for you. Uncle Sam is prepared to wait 4 months. http://www.moma.org/russian/
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I'm hoping you mean a hard copy book and not this Flash wizardry as that would be far beyond my (extremely) meagre computing skills. As for themes, howza bout Modern Saints? Two from my own pantheon would be Robert Wilson and Spike Milligan. I don't believe that saints have to be dead (i.e. Wilson), they just have to be able to play dead (i.e. Wilson). Or, contrary-wise Modern Sinners? I love a religious theme, religion is so festive! Wh! M NP: Fragile by Wire from Pink Flag -- From: Kathy Forer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FLUXLIST [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FLUXLIST: The Russian Avant-Garde Book 1910 - 1934 :: MoMA Date: Sat, Apr 13, 2002, 5:57 PM http://www.moma.org/russian/ Could this be a possible next project? Either 50 books with 50 pages by 50 people, 1 books by 50 (or so) people or, ideally, 50 10-page books by 50 people. Like the 50 fluxbox multiples. How would this cohere? Theme, story, size...
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what's it like to ride in a hot air balloon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 9:25 PM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST: The Russian Avant-Garde Book 1910 - 1934 :: MoMA yes, let's do it! i love the moma site -- feels like you're flipping the pages of the books, in hand, almost --- How about theme or story, then? A day in the life... My first computer... Favorite socks... Biography of another fluxlist member...
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On 4/13/02 10:57 PM, Jennifer Chiarell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what's it like to ride in a hot air balloon Ubique Perigrinari Omniaque Videre http://kforer.com/fogg.html
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here i am last october, carol Kathy Forer wrote: On 4/13/02 10:57 PM, Jennifer Chiarell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what's it like to ride in a hot air balloon Ubique Perigrinari Omniaque Videre http://kforer.com/fogg.html -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://laplaza.org/~datastar/index.html inline: balloon.jpg
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here i am last october, carol Kathy Forer wrote: On 4/13/02 10:57 PM, Jennifer Chiarell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what's it like to ride in a hot air balloon Ubique Perigrinari Omniaque Videre http://kforer.com/fogg.html -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://laplaza.org/~datastar/index.html inline: balloon.jpg
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sorry, didn't mean to send the balloon picture twice. think i'd better shut down. cu, c -- carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://laplaza.org/~datastar/index.html
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here i am last october, carol YEOW!! (...and you got the attachment working::)
