Distribution Naming System (Was: Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3)
Dear Mr. Stallman, First of all, it is a pleasure to be with you on the same mailing list. You have my full respect! On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:52 AM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Arch is a variant of the GNU/Linux system, so please let's not call it Arch Linux. Calling the whole system Linux is, in effect, giving Torvalds credit for our work, so we get no credit for it. See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html and http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html, plus the history in http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html. Since Arch is a version of GNU/Linux, the right term is Arch GNU/Linux. If we mention it, what can we say about it? It is not a free system, so if we mention it, we should not present it as exemplary. See http://gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html for more explanation about this issue. I have done a quick search on the 'active' distributions on DistroWatch.com and only very few systems are following your logic: http://distrowatch.com/search.php?status=Active However, I have not searched/seen this yet: http://distrowatch.com/search.php?status=All But I guess the 'active' ones are more important than the other. Only few are following the GNU/Linux naming logic. I see your point here, perhaps unlike some other who might not. There is no one who could deny what you have done nor your project. You do have our respect, no doubt about that. But, in order to end this discussion once and for all (I hope we could), what do you suggest? I'm not sure if approaching all the communities and request a name change is good idea but it could still be one of the options. I for one have my own project: http://torios.org/ If truth to be told, I wasn't paying lots of attention to GNU/Linux but thanks to your emails, I will from now and on. Yes, I'm aware since I have started using Linux that it is actually GNU/Linux but I also know only few who are mentioning that. Sadly, people for some odd reason tend to remove/ignore the important words on their emails/posts/articles, etc to save time but they're wrong IMHO. Words like Hi at the beginning of any email for example or GNU before Linux so it is GNU/Linux ... if they would know that will cost them 1 extra second to write that, I guess they might think wisely but we can't force people to do that. It should come from them directly. I was sad the other day and wrote: http://amjjawad.blogspot.com/2014/02/it-is-just-one-word.html Now, after reading your emails, I will start my best to never forget to mention 'GNU' whenever there is 'Linux'. I'll be the change that I would like to see around. This is the best way. Thank you so much for enlightening me/us. I highly appreciate that. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list Have a great day! -- Best Regards, amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad *Remember: *All of us are smarter than any one of us. Ubuntu GNOME OneStopPage https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/OneStopPage Join Ubuntu GNOME https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved Test Ubuntu GNOME https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Testing Contact Ubuntu GNOME https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs Download Ubuntu GNOME https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New challenge
Hi :) I also want to thank Karen for her work. It's been a very good time. Thanks a lot! Looking forward to work with you in the future. Tobi ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Memberships needing renewal (2014-04)
Hi, as per point 1.3 of [1], here it comes a list of members in need of a renew in case they didn't receive their individual e-mail: First name, Last name (Last renewed on) * Leonardo Fontenelle (2012-04-18) * Eitan Isaacson (2012-04-14) * Petr Kovář (2012-04-11) * Sankarasivasubramanian P (2012-04-11) * Liyanaarachchi Udesh (2012-04-28) The Renewal form can be found at [2]. Cheers, GNOME Membership and Elections Committee [1] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2011-November/msg0.html [2] http://www.gnome.org/foundation/membership/apply/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Memberships needing renewal 2014-03
Hi, seems the cronjob did not run properly the previous month and no emails were sent to foundation-list for 2014-03. Really sending it now. as per point 1.3 of [1], here it comes a list of members in need of a renew in case they didn't receive their individual e-mail: First name, Last name (Last renewed on) * Emmanuele Bassi (2012-03-03) * Aaron Bockover (2012-03-20) * Stefano Candori (2012-03-27) * Xavier Claessens (2012-03-18) * Felipe Erias Morandeira (2012-03-06) * Leonardo Fontenelle (2012-04-18) * Jean-François Fortin Tam (2012-03-03) * Andres Gomez (2012-03-27) * Mathias Hasselmann (2012-03-17) * Javier Hernández Antúnez (2012-03-17) * Richard Hughes (2012-03-04) * Susanna Huhtanen (2012-03-15) * Eitan Isaacson (2012-04-14) * Christian Kirbach (2012-03-03) * Petr Kovář (2012-04-11) * Peteris Krisjanis (2012-03-11) * Chris Lord (2012-03-15) * Jiro Matsuzawa (2012-03-30) * Rūdolfs Mazurs (2012-03-11) * Michael Monreal (2012-03-07) * Daniel Mustieles Garcia (2012-03-05) * Yuri Myasoedov (2012-03-16) * Robert Nordan (2012-03-27) * Sankarasivasubramanian P (2012-04-11) * Antigoni Papantoni (2012-03-18) * Erick Pérez Castellanos (2012-03-06) * Sebastian Pölsterl (2012-03-05) * Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller (2012-03-22) * Simon Schampijer (2012-03-14) * David Schleef (2012-03-27) * John Stowers (2012-03-11) * Liyanaarachchi Udesh (2012-04-28) * Dan Vrátil (2012-03-29) * Tim Waugh (2012-03-15) * Bryen Yunashko (2012-03-19) The Renewal form can be found at [2]. Cheers, GNOME Membership and Elections Committee [1] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2011-November/msg0.html [2] http://www.gnome.org/foundation/membership/apply/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Distribution Naming System (Was: Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3)
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I have done a quick search on the 'active' distributions on DistroWatch.com and only very few systems are following your logic: http://distrowatch.com/search.php?status=Active That's true. Most distros do not recognize that this system is basically GNU; they give the credit for the GNU Project's work to Mr Torvalds, rather than to us. The frequence of this mistake is why correcting it is important. If the mistake were rare, we might as well not worry about it. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3
On 2014-04-03 04:28, Ali/amjjawad wrote: Arch is a variant of the GNU/Linux system, so please let's not call it Arch Linux. Calling the whole system Linux is, in effect, giving Torvalds credit for our work, so we get no credit for it. See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html [1] and http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html [2], plus the history in http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html [3]. Since Arch is a version of GNU/Linux, the right term is Arch GNU/Linux. As many people on this list know, I too prefer the term GNU/Linux, and it's been GNOME's official policy to use the term. FWIW, I try to avoid this problem by referring to the project as just Arch. karen ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3
Btw, in the name of my system there is GNU/Linux credit: $ uname -a Linux yoseforb 3.14.0-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Apr 1 23:08:28 CEST 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux Regards, Yosef Or Boczko בתאריך ה', אפר 3, 2014 בשעה 9:06 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org כתב: On 2014-04-03 04:28, Ali/amjjawad wrote: Arch is a variant of the GNU/Linux system, so please let's not call it Arch Linux. Calling the whole system Linux is, in effect, giving Torvalds credit for our work, so we get no credit for it. See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html [1] and http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html [2], plus the history in http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html [3]. Since Arch is a version of GNU/Linux, the right term is Arch GNU/Linux. As many people on this list know, I too prefer the term GNU/Linux, and it's been GNOME's official policy to use the term. FWIW, I try to avoid this problem by referring to the project as just Arch. karen ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3
okay, can we please stop this pointless thread on foundation-list? the name of distributions and whether or not it conforms to the requests of the GNU project has nothing to do with the GNOME project or the GNOME Foundation. if you want to propose a name change, or want to raise the issue of the name of the Arch distribution, feel free to send an email to their project mailing list. ciao, Emmanuele. On 3 April 2014 19:05, Yosef Or Boczko yosef...@gnome.org wrote: Btw, in the name of my system there is GNU/Linux credit: $ uname -a Linux yoseforb 3.14.0-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Apr 1 23:08:28 CEST 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux Regards, Yosef Or Boczko בתאריך ה', אפר 3, 2014 בשעה 9:06 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org כתב: On 2014-04-03 04:28, Ali/amjjawad wrote: Arch is a variant of the GNU/Linux system, so please let's not call it Arch Linux. Calling the whole system Linux is, in effect, giving Torvalds credit for our work, so we get no credit for it. See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html [1] and http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html [2], plus the history in http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html [3]. Since Arch is a version of GNU/Linux, the right term is Arch GNU/Linux. As many people on this list know, I too prefer the term GNU/Linux, and it's been GNOME's official policy to use the term. FWIW, I try to avoid this problem by referring to the project as just Arch. karen ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- W: http://www.emmanuelebassi.name B: http://blogs.gnome.org/ebassi/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Distribution Naming System (Was: Re: Is there GNU/Linux distribution which includes always latest gnome 3)
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I have done a quick search on the 'active' distributions on DistroWatch.com and only very few systems are following your logic: http://distrowatch.com/search.php?status=Active Thanks for your reply :) That's true. Most distros do not recognize that this system is basically GNU; they give the credit for the GNU Project's work to Mr Torvalds, rather than to us. Indeed. The frequence of this mistake is why correcting it is important. If the mistake were rare, we might as well not worry about it. I couldn't agree more :) From now and on, for me, I'll do my best to always write GNU/Linux instead of Linux. After all, it will cost me one extra second and GNU Project and everyone who worked so hard on that project for all these years are definitely deserve this extra second :) -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. Thank you! P.S. I'm going to ask my team to change the home page of ToriOS.org to reflect this correction. -- Best Regards, amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad *Remember: *All of us are smarter than any one of us. Ubuntu GNOME OneStopPage https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/OneStopPage Join Ubuntu GNOME https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved Test Ubuntu GNOME https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Testing Contact Ubuntu GNOME https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs Download Ubuntu GNOME https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
