Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
Hi Graeme, On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Prince Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That project is such a mess (my personal opinion). Just the other day I wanted to download the Eclipse IDE, to see what has changed over the last few years since I looked at it. Well, after browsing their website for 30 minutes, I still couldn't find a clear download Eclipse IDE here link! What's up with that!!! I simply gave up and moved on. www.eclipse.org On the upper menu, 5th item, downloads. Then choose whatever you wnat to download, and choose the mirror, and the download starts. lazarus.freepascal.org on the other way seldom works lately and when it does it's so slow it can't be used. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:07:31PM -0600, Prince Riley wrote: Thank you for your reply. Eclipse was first released as a Java development IDE several years ago, but if you take a look at the Eclipse web site www.eclipse.org you'll see that since then Eclipse has evolved and been extended to support Ruby, Python, C/C++. I've seen people using Eclipse for developing in Fortran too... -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
Graeme, I find that very interesting. The Eclipse group has redesigned the web site and it now has a much cleaner and easier to navigate 'front door' that leads most visitors directly to the major Java or Rich Client IDE. Prince On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:56 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Prince Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eclipse was first released as a Java development IDE several years ago, but if you take a look at the Eclipse web site www.eclipse.org you'll see that since then Eclipse has evolved and been extended to support Ruby, Python, C/C++. That project is such a mess (my personal opinion). Just the other day I wanted to download the Eclipse IDE, to see what has changed over the last few years since I looked at it. Well, after browsing their website for 30 minutes, I still couldn't find a clear download Eclipse IDE here link! What's up with that!!! I simply gave up and moved on. Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://opensoft.homeip.net/fpgui/ ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
Hello, Please also move this Eclipse discussion to fpc-other (unless it's specifically on how to set up Eclipse for use with FPC or so). Thanks, Jonas FPC lists moderator ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
Gerard N/A schrieb: www.eclipse.org On the upper menu, 5th item, downloads. Then choose whatever you wnat to download, and choose the mirror, and the download starts. lazarus.freepascal.org on the other way seldom works lately and when it does it's so slow it can't be used. Well, this means only lazarus has too much success :) ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
Prince Riley schrieb: Graeme I just took this snapshot of the www.eclipse.org http://www.eclipse.org kanding page .. you say you weren't able to find a clear download link lol .. ok well it appears directly in the center of the page ... Let me know what you think after you download Eclipse .. I can't find a Eclipse for pascal either : ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Prince Riley wmarketi...@gmail.com wrote: I just took this snapshot of the www.eclipse.org kanding page .. you say you weren't able to find a clear download link lol .. ok well it appears directly in the center of the page ... hehehe... Yes it seems funny now, but like I said, the last time I checked the website didn't look like that at all. Here is how it did look (Using the Web Archive's WayBack Machine). Archive in February 2008 http://web.archive.org/web/20080214194714/http://www.eclipse.org/ This one was not so clear. ;-) Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://opensoft.homeip.net/fpgui/ ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Prince Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eclipse was first released as a Java development IDE several years ago, but if you take a look at the Eclipse web site www.eclipse.org you'll see that since then Eclipse has evolved and been extended to support Ruby, Python, C/C++. That project is such a mess (my personal opinion). Just the other day I wanted to download the Eclipse IDE, to see what has changed over the last few years since I looked at it. Well, after browsing their website for 30 minutes, I still couldn't find a clear download Eclipse IDE here link! What's up with that!!! I simply gave up and moved on. Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://opensoft.homeip.net/fpgui/ ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
Thank you for your reply. Eclipse was first released as a Java development IDE several years ago, but if you take a look at the Eclipse web site www.eclipse.org you'll see that since then Eclipse has evolved and been extended to support Ruby, Python, C/C++. The suggestion I was making is there is a very large base of programmers, developer, and others who now use Eclipse as their primary IDE in much the same way UNIX folks use emacs and if there were a Eclipse FPC plugin they could discover and learn the language. Prince On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 3:58 AM, Marco van de Voort [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In our previous episode, Prince Riley said: Like ti weigh in on this thread in the discussion regarding increasing the GUI-ness of FP. Has anyone looked into writing an Eclipse plug-in for FP (as an was done for Python and Ruby)? Afaik there was a more editor like plugin at one time. But at that time designer support only existed for C++ and Java. Haven't heard much since. Given the huge base of Eclipse users this might be a way to reach the goal with both a better developer tool and plugging into a big audience of potential users. Afaik most Eclipse users use Java? ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
Hello Like ti weigh in on this thread in the discussion regarding increasing the GUI-ness of FP. Has anyone looked into writing an Eclipse plug-in for FP (as an was done for Python and Ruby)? Given the huge base of Eclipse users this might be a way to reach the goal with both a better developer tool and plugging into a big audience of potential users. Prince On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Andrew Haines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to do some large work to increase the use of FPC I would recommend creating a Window Manager instead, probably with fpgui. How far did you guys get with the 'fpwm' project? Did it actually run at some point. I see the last code changes was 2 years ago. I just checked out fpwm and updated it and fpgui locally so it can compile. It does almost nothing atm but can reparent and close windows :) not alot. I was thinking I might write a widget for resizing and moving windows. Currently the window title bar is a Label and a Button that has an X for it's text and stdimg.quit as the image. I might work on it some in the coming week if I can find the time. Regards, Andrew ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Andrew Haines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just checked out fpwm and updated it and fpgui locally so it can compile. It does almost nothing atm but can reparent and close windows :) not alot. I was thinking I might write a widget for resizing and moving windows. Currently the window title bar is a Label and a Button that has an X for it's text and stdimg.quit as the image. I might work on it some in the coming week if I can find the time. Umm... I have though of trying my hand at the X11 tutorial on creating a simply window manager, but never got around to it. The last time (years ago) when I tried to compile 'fpwm', I managed to get it to compile, but didn't know how to test/run it. Could you give some hints on the latter, or is there a readme file in the fpwm project that explains this? How do I temporarily test a new window manager? I'm using Ubuntu, and have quite a few window managers available from GDM (sessions menu), but I have no idea how those options got there, or how to add my own. :-) Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://opensoft.homeip.net/fpgui/ ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
In our previous episode, Prince Riley said: Like ti weigh in on this thread in the discussion regarding increasing the GUI-ness of FP. Has anyone looked into writing an Eclipse plug-in for FP (as an was done for Python and Ruby)? Afaik there was a more editor like plugin at one time. But at that time designer support only existed for C++ and Java. Haven't heard much since. Given the huge base of Eclipse users this might be a way to reach the goal with both a better developer tool and plugging into a big audience of potential users. Afaik most Eclipse users use Java? ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to do some large work to increase the use of FPC I would recommend creating a Window Manager instead, probably with fpgui. How far did you guys get with the 'fpwm' project? Did it actually run at some point. I see the last code changes was 2 years ago. I just checked out fpwm and updated it and fpgui locally so it can compile. It does almost nothing atm but can reparent and close windows :) not alot. I was thinking I might write a widget for resizing and moving windows. Currently the window title bar is a Label and a Button that has an X for it's text and stdimg.quit as the image. I might work on it some in the coming week if I can find the time. Regards, Andrew ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
How could Linus Torvalds write the core of Linux in rather short time, single-handed, if it is such a huge task just to port it? Because he didn't really write it from scratch, instead he just improves what's already there (Unix source code, maybe?) and poing! Linux comes up. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Porting-linux-to-pascal%2C-would-it-be%2C%09possible---tp20852694p20868042.html Sent from the Free Pascal - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
Ok, so lots of code... Two possibilities come to mind: 1. Using automatic conversion from C to Pascal but then the code would still have to be checked by humans. 2. Only convert certain portions which are most interesting to people. For example: Linux's tcp/ip stack. Linux gui. So that for example Linux gui might be improved by pascal programmers ;) :) Is that possible ? ;) Bye, Skybuck. - Original Message - From: Vincent Snijders [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FPC-Pascal users discussions fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ? Skybuck Flying schreef: If everybody does a little bit it could go quite quickly. Some (arbitrary numbers) from http://www.ohloh.net/p/linux: Codebase 10,679,927 lines Effort (est.) 3,396 Person Years So, if everybody on this list (maybe 300 persons) work on it, then it can be done in just over 11 years. Not so quickly, IMHO. Vincent ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 5:20 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How far did you guys get with the 'fpwm' project? Did it actually run at some point. I see the last code changes was 2 years ago. I think it was able to run, but wouldn't do much. Too many other tasks at hand, and this one isn't making any money, so it has very low priority... -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be possible ?
Hello, An open source pascal operating system could be cool. Would translating/porting linux to pascal be possible ? Bye, Skybuck. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be possible ?
As with many things, it only depends of the time you have. But as you grow older you get a different idea of life expectancy and the use of your remaing time. Regards, Gerard. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be possible ?
What is the use anyhow? 2008/12/4 Skybuck Flying [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, An open source pascal operating system could be cool. Would translating/porting linux to pascal be possible ? Bye, Skybuck. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal -- SCALA IT | Internet- und Softwareagentur Büro Mannheim: L7, 7a | 68161 Mannheim Firmensitz: Gutenbergstr. 18 | 67112 Mutterstadt Tel: (06234) 600 57-6 Fax: (06234) 600 57-9 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobil: (0176) 206 263 04 Inhaber: Marc Geldon Steuernummer: 41/049/7267/0 (Finanzamt Speyer) ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be possible ?
An open source pascal operating system could be cool. There are already such projects (including mine :-)). Search google code and sourceforge. Would translating/porting linux to pascal be possible ? Yes, but who would? And if he/she would, does he/she have the time? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Porting-linux-to-pascal%2C-would-it-be-possible---tp20850611p20851474.html Sent from the Free Pascal - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
Skybuck Flying [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, An open source pascal operating system could be cool. Would translating/porting linux to pascal be possible ? Absolutely. Most of Unix is plain C, which translates well to Pascal. C++ is harder, of course. Gerard N/A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As with many things, it only depends of the time you have. But as you grow older you get a different idea of life expectancy and the use of your remaing time. This is an argument only after considering the time versus the goal. Is the goal worth the time? An operating system based on FPC code would be one way to give FPC more (well deserved) attention, one way to make a wider range of people know that the language is not dead, but significantly updated and a stronger alternative than most people think. But it is the best way? An OS kernel is not the most visible source code that makes a lot of people gather to have a look. Showing off the technology can be done in more time-efficient ways. Another goal is to make a better OS. FPC programs use less memory and starts faster. That can be a good thing. Would it be significant? I'm not sure. You are perfectly right in that we must choose our battles and spend our time on things that are worth the time. I don't rule out that this could be one. Porting Linux doesn't have to imply that every little program is ported. /Ingemar ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
If everybody does a little bit it could go quite quickly. Question is: Which linux distro ? ;) Maybe even some BSD version so that closed-source os-es could be done as well. Though I onced tried FreeBSD... I couldn't even figure out the gui or how to start an app.. So maybe linux more user friendly... So first someone needs to find a good/user friendly linux distro which is not to large. Also for kicks maybe a floppy-disk based linux distro could be turned into pascal as well. So could even be multiple linux distro's turned into pascal... Different flavors for everybody :) Most important would be to be able to play with the to-be-pascal sources of the linux distro so people can try out things with the os... ;) So focus would be: 1. Linux distro(s)/kernel(s). 2. Linux gui(s). 3. Linux editor for editing pascal files. 4. Free pascal compiler probably already available. Then anything else can be turned into pascal later on :) Maybe even drivers and applications and such ;) Bye, Skybuck. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
Skybuck Flying schreef: If everybody does a little bit it could go quite quickly. Some (arbitrary numbers) from http://www.ohloh.net/p/linux: Codebase 10,679,927 lines Effort (est.) 3,396 Person Years So, if everybody on this list (maybe 300 persons) work on it, then it can be done in just over 11 years. Not so quickly, IMHO. Vincent ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
Hello all, Skybuck Flying schreef: If everybody does a little bit it could go quite quickly. Some (arbitrary numbers) from http://www.ohloh.net/p/linux: Codebase 10,679,927 lines Effort (est.) 3,396 Person Years So, if everybody on this list (maybe 300 persons) work on it, then it can be done in just over 11 years. Not so quickly, IMHO. Although the effort is huge, and the topic is senseless, porting is much faster then creating/coding/debugging. The numbers above do not reflect a port and are pointless. -- Best Regards, Steve Howe ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
If you want to do some large work to increase the use of FPC I would recommend creating a Window Manager instead, probably with fpgui. The work is imensely smaller, althougth still large, and a window manager usually comes with lot's of useful gui software, so this would be an opportunity to distribute all kinds of software made with fpc and lazarus. My open source project, for example, the Virtual Magnifying Glass, suffers in linux because KDE only wishes to distribute C++/Qt software and Gnome only distributes C and C# software, so it get's hard to be popular. And don't expect people from the list to join your initiative. Usually you have to start the project alone and get something working before one or two people join in. Don't expect everyone to stop what they are doing to help you in what you think is important. -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Ingemar Ragnemalm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an argument only after considering the time versus the goal. Is the goal worth the time? No, and that was exactly my point. Life is too short to spend it rewriting Linux in Pascal. g Another goal is to make a better OS. FPC programs use less memory and starts faster. That can be a good thing. Would it be significant? I'm not sure. Then maybe it would better to focus on something different from Linux. You are perfectly right in that we must choose our battles and spend our time on things that are worth the time. I don't rule out that this could be one. Porting Linux doesn't have to imply that every little program is ported. Not every little program, but only for the kernel + drivers + filesystems the task is daunting. Gerard. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be possible ?
Leonardo M. Ram? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Guillermo Martínez Jiménez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, Linux is good as it is now and Pascal isn't the best option to create an operating system. Are you sure? doesn't older MacOS's versions where written in Object Pascal? Yes, and there's nothing wrong with Pascal for an OS. It would be excellent. I think the problem here (again) is not the language, it's the critical mass of users of the language. Using C for Linux was a good bet, not because the language is good (Pascal is way better for me), but because C has a wider user base who can fix/add features. Using C for Linux was the only way, because there was a free C compiler (GCC) and none for Pascal or other comparable languages. Things have changed since then, but much of the software industry is on a path decided from the situation 20 years ago. The industry took the C route since there was no cross-platform Pascal, while Linux made the choice from available free software. Now everything must have inherited design flaws from C just because of what was available in the 80's. That is, unless the tide changes. It can happen. Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My open source project, for example, the Virtual Magnifying Glass, suffers in linux because KDE only wishes to distribute C++/Qt software and Gnome only distributes C and C# software, so it get's hard to be popular. Now, that sounds like one real problem, related to the porting issue, which we can address. And not that doesn't need as much work. So the KDE and Gnome projects are language-locked? (How? Surely users don't select software by language? Or are the distros incomplete, FPC-wise? Hard to recompile?) Anyway. that sounds bad! And that suggests a much shorter path: Adapt a distribution to Pascal Gnome support, with full Pascal interfaces and code, or whatever is missing. Port Gnome examples, if it isn't already done, and show that Pascal (FPC) is not only an option but a *better* solution. Easier than C/C++, faster than Java, much faster than Python... I don't know if an FPC-tuned distro would make any difference, stronger FPC support in, say, Ubuntu, would make a bigger impact. Acceptance of FPC sounds like a good goal to me. Who isn't distributing? Gnome? That isn't a distribution. I don't quite understand what you mean. The FPC OS doesn't have to be 100% written in FPC, not even 10%. No hurry. The C code is ugly but it works as long as you don't take GCC out. Port what really counts, making it possible and well supported to write *new* programs in FPC. /Ingemar ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be possible ?
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Ingemar Ragnemalm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the KDE and Gnome projects are language-locked? Yes, they are. (How? Surely users don't select software by language? Users don't care, but they usually use what comes with their distro and window manager, so if KDE comes with a bunch of software they will use it instead of looking for alternatives. Or are the distros incomplete, FPC-wise? distributions are not the same thing as window manager. Distributions are much more flexible language-wise, but they tend to package whatever comes with the window manager. It would also be possible to build a distribution instead of a window manager, but I'm usually into writing code, as opposed to setting things up, so building a distribution doesn't seam a lot of fun to me =) -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be possible ?
Am Freitag, den 05.12.2008, 17:40 +0100 schrieb Ingemar Ragnemalm: Now everything must have inherited design flaws from C just because of what was available in the 80's. This is one strong argument against porting Lunix to Pascal, isn't it? Porting means sort of translating old design flaws to another language. That is, unless the tide changes. It can happen. It has happened in the past. There has been OS/2 for example, with it's superior OO design. RIP. There have been many OSses with new appealing features, BEOS coming to my mind. And there have been some people starting to write an OS in pascal, but I've never heard of something coming out as ... say at least an alpha version or some sort of prototype. SCNR, Marc -- UN*X is sexy! who | grep -i blonde | date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; \ finger; mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount; sleep ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
Hello Everyone, While I can't honestly say I share any enthusiasm for writing a OS in FreePascal, I do think there is merit in looking for projects of similar scope and interest that can demonstrate the power of the language and the tremendous tools that have been developed by this group over the past four years. I do think that if someone were to interested in testing their mettle for writing something like an OS, he or she might first take a crack at writing a few of the GNU tools in FP. Say for example the BusyBox suite. Once they had done that, there are a few more code foothills they could climb to build up enough additional undestanding and programming techniques others could then learn and then join them later on more ambitious OS projects. My current projects are to port the FP compiler to the OpenSolaris platform and to eventually write an Eclipse plug-in oe a Mozilla based XUL application (like Komodo) for FP. Ultimately, I am interested in exploring more of the ARM platform support in FP. Prince On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Gerard N/A [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Ingemar Ragnemalm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an argument only after considering the time versus the goal. Is the goal worth the time? No, and that was exactly my point. Life is too short to spend it rewriting Linux in Pascal. g Another goal is to make a better OS. FPC programs use less memory and starts faster. That can be a good thing. Would it be significant? I'm not sure. Then maybe it would better to focus on something different from Linux. You are perfectly right in that we must choose our battles and spend our time on things that are worth the time. I don't rule out that this could be one. Porting Linux doesn't have to imply that every little program is ported. Not every little program, but only for the kernel + drivers + filesystems the task is daunting. Gerard. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Skybuck Flying [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If everybody does a little bit it could go quite quickly. Question is: Which linux distro ? ;) Well, you said porting linux. Linux to be only references the Kernel only. That is the real OS part. All the other stuff like X11, and 1000's of utilities and libraries are 3rd party stuff. Having a Linux system without a GUI is just as much a Linux system, as one with a GUI. So you first need to decide what you want to port? The kernel only, or a whole distro? The latter is absurd, as it will take a lifetime to complete, plus - what's the point? As for a OS that can boot a computer, implement a basic filesystem and copy/rename files is doable. I had friends that had to write such a simple OS as a end-of-year project in there studies. I guess you can take a peak at the Linux code to accomplish that, but again, what's the point. Other that being able to say yes it can be done with Free Pascal as well. Maybe you have more free time available than I do. :-) Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://opensoft.homeip.net/fpgui/ ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to do some large work to increase the use of FPC I would recommend creating a Window Manager instead, probably with fpgui. How far did you guys get with the 'fpwm' project? Did it actually run at some point. I see the last code changes was 2 years ago. Regards, - Graeme - ___ fpGUI - a cross-platform Free Pascal GUI toolkit http://opensoft.homeip.net/fpgui/ ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
