Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...
default, window frames and titles removed, all screen available for ACTUAL USE. All easily attainable in E17. :) put a config for E17 for those interested. my .fvwm2rc, but it uses /etc/wm-menus/Fvwm-pl with program menu. you may write it yourself or use my menugen program. set with assumption that it's 1024x768 screen WindowFont -adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2 MenuStyle white black white -adobe-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2 fvwm OpaqueMoveSize 100 EdgeScroll 5 5 EdgeResistance 1 1 DeskTopSize 2x2 #ImagePath /usr/pkg/share/fvwm2/images/:/usr/pkg/include/X11/pixmaps/: Style * NoTitle, HintOverride, SmartPlacement, NoPPosition, BorderWidth 0, HandleWidth 0 Style Fvwm*Sticky, WindowListSkip Read /etc/wm-menus/Fvwm-pl DestroyMenu StartMenu AddToMenu StartMenu + FreeBSD Apps Popup FreeBSD + Quit fvwm2Quit + Restart Fvwm2 Restart #AddToFunc Move-or-Raise M Move #+ M Raise #+ C Raise #+ D Maximize 100 100 Mouse 1 I A Iconify False Mouse 1 W C Maximize 100 100 Mouse 2 W C RaiseLower Mouse 3 WI C Close Mouse 1 W 4 Move Mouse 2 WI 4 Iconify Mouse 3 W 4 Resize Key Right A 4 Desk 1 Key LeftA 4 Desk -1 Key F1 A 4 Desk 0 0 Key F2 A 4 Desk 0 1 Key F3 A 4 Desk 0 2 Key F4 A 4 Desk 0 3 Key F5 A 4 Desk 0 4 Key F6 A 4 Desk 0 5 Key F7 A 4 Desk 0 6 Key F8 A 4 Desk 0 7 Key F9 A 4 Desk 0 8 Key F10 A 4 Desk 0 9 Key F11 A 4 Desk 0 10 Key F12 A 4 Desk 0 11 Key F1 A C Desk 0 21 Key F2 A C Desk 0 22 Key F3 A C Desk 0 23 Key F4 A C Desk 0 24 Key F5 A C Desk 0 25 Key F6 A C Desk 0 26 Key F7 A C Desk 0 27 Key F8 A C Desk 0 28 Key F9 A C Desk 0 29 Key F10 A C Desk 0 30 Key F11 A C Desk 0 31 Key F12 A C Desk 0 32 Key M A 4 Menu StartMenu Key MenuA A Menu StartMenu Key X A 4 Exec exec xterm -geometry 102x38+0+0 -ls Key W A 4 WindowList ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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web browser works best with your recommendation? evilwm on xorg with xfmail and opera and an .xinitrc of: evilwm exec xsetroot -cursor_name ul_angle exec xset m 19/5 12 b 90 880 12 exec swisswatch -geometry -0+0 the best watch using least space on screen is the one hanging on the wall :) -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 12/03/07, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: web browser works best with your recommendation? evilwm on xorg with xfmail and opera and an .xinitrc of: evilwm exec xsetroot -cursor_name ul_angle exec xset m 19/5 12 b 90 880 12 exec swisswatch -geometry -0+0 the best watch using least space on screen is the one hanging on the wall :) Something needs to be the key process, evilwm does not care to handle shutting down X. alt-tab to swisswatch, ctl-alt-esc and X closes down rather more neatly than ctl-alt-bkspc. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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They're minimalistic and slick to use. If you should need to connect with a windows box there's Xming. Look in the archives! what is Xming? with grep -i xming /usr/ports/INDEX nothing found ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have used XFCE 3.* on all my free BSD boxes for years. It is a Simple GUI which I use on any Desktops I build. The video is clear and is simple. ( XFCE4* I did not like the concept.) Emails etc all work and install easily from ports. one of the best choices for those who want desktop. but is it needed at all? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:10:11 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have used XFCE 3.* on all my free BSD boxes for years. It is a Simple GUI which I use on any Desktops I build. The video is clear and is simple. ( XFCE4* I did not like the concept.) Emails etc all work and install easily from ports. one of the best choices for those who want desktop. but is it needed at all? It is for someone who wants to work in that environment. -- Gerard When confronted by a difficult problem, you can often solve it quite easily by reducing it to the question, How would the Lone Ranger handle this? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...
It is for someone who wants to work in that environment. exactly, but it would be handy to define what desktop is. could someone provide me a definition? is X server alone a desktop? i think no. is KDE a desktop? i think yes from what i heard. is XFCE a desktop? i think too. so is my X server+fvwm2 having no visible icons, windows, frames etc. (but having a menu under keypress) a desktop or not? if yes - then we can define desktop as any software able to run graphics mode programs on graphics capable machine. like bash or csh for text mode. if no - what part of say KDE make it a desktop? i'm not trying to start any war, just want to hear a definition of so commonly used term today. Wojtek ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Wojciech, ...If you should need to connect with a Windows box...(to a FreeBSD machine running X). A part of Xming is a remote desktop client for Windows. You will find more information at - http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming. Good luck! Wojciech Puchar skrev: They're minimalistic and slick to use. If you should need to connect with a windows box there's Xming. Look in the archives! what is Xming? with grep -i xming /usr/ports/INDEX nothing found ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:28:15 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is for someone who wants to work in that environment. exactly, but it would be handy to define what desktop is. could someone provide me a definition? is X server alone a desktop? i think no. is KDE a desktop? i think yes from what i heard. is XFCE a desktop? i think too. so is my X server+fvwm2 having no visible icons, windows, frames etc. (but having a menu under keypress) a desktop or not? if yes - then we can define desktop as any software able to run graphics mode programs on graphics capable machine. like bash or csh for text mode. if no - what part of say KDE make it a desktop? i'm not trying to start any war, just want to hear a definition of so commonly used term today. Wojtek Before you ask so many questions, why don't you invest a little time in RTFM, or perhaps STFW. Check out this URL for starters: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html -- Gerard Fortune's current rates: Answers .10 Long answers.25 Answers requiring thought .50 Correct answers $1.00 Dumb looks are still free. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...
On 03/12/2007 03:01, Wojciech Puchar wrote: default, window frames and titles removed, all screen available for ACTUAL USE. All easily attainable in E17. :) put a config for E17 for those interested. Unfortunately the config files are now in a binary format. So to post them would be less than enlightening. :P However, it is certainly possible to have all windows borderless and full screen, each on their own desktop. You can navigate desktops with keybd or mouse strokes. You never have to touch a menu as you can launch apps via keybindings (do most other things as well.) You should give it a try. Its very fast and very lightweight. my .fvwm2rc, but it uses /etc/wm-menus/Fvwm-pl with program menu. you may write it yourself or use my menugen program. set with assumption that it's 1024x768 screen WindowFont-adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2 MenuStyle white black white -adobe-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2 fvwm OpaqueMoveSize 100 EdgeScroll 5 5 EdgeResistance 1 1 DeskTopSize 2x2 #ImagePath /usr/pkg/share/fvwm2/images/:/usr/pkg/include/X11/pixmaps/: Style * NoTitle, HintOverride, SmartPlacement, NoPPosition, BorderWidth 0, HandleWidth 0 Style Fvwm*Sticky, WindowListSkip Read /etc/wm-menus/Fvwm-pl DestroyMenu StartMenu AddToMenu StartMenu + FreeBSD AppsPopup FreeBSD + Quit fvwm2Quit + Restart Fvwm2Restart #AddToFunc Move-or-Raise M Move #+ M Raise #+ C Raise #+ D Maximize 100 100 Mouse 1IAIconify False Mouse 1 W C Maximize 100 100 Mouse 2WCRaiseLower Mouse 3 WI C Close Mouse 1W4Move Mouse 2WI4Iconify Mouse 3W4Resize Key RightA4Desk 1 Key LeftA4Desk -1 Key F1A4Desk 0 0 Key F2A4Desk 0 1 Key F3A4Desk 0 2 Key F4A4Desk 0 3 Key F5A4Desk 0 4 Key F6A4Desk 0 5 Key F7A4Desk 0 6 Key F8A4Desk 0 7 Key F9A4Desk 0 8 Key F10A4Desk 0 9 Key F11A4Desk 0 10 Key F12A4Desk 0 11 Key F1ACDesk 0 21 Key F2ACDesk 0 22 Key F3ACDesk 0 23 Key F4ACDesk 0 24 Key F5ACDesk 0 25 Key F6ACDesk 0 26 Key F7ACDesk 0 27 Key F8ACDesk 0 28 Key F9ACDesk 0 29 Key F10ACDesk 0 30 Key F11ACDesk 0 31 Key F12ACDesk 0 32 Key MA4Menu StartMenu Key MenuAAMenu StartMenu Key XA4Exec exec xterm -geometry 102x38+0+0 -ls Key WA4WindowList ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Eric ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 12/03/07, Eric Schuele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/12/2007 03:01, Wojciech Puchar wrote: default, window frames and titles removed, [...] However, it is certainly possible to have all windows borderless and full screen, each on their own desktop. You can navigate desktops with keybd or mouse strokes. You never have to touch a menu as you can launch apps via keybindings (do most other things as well.) You should give it a try. Its very fast and very lightweight. Hm, sounds like installing ion3 would be an easier task. ion3 is the WM of my choice, and it does exactly (or nearly) what you describe, and some more. You can additionally set up different layouts of your taste, for example with two columns or even more complex ones. (I've a special layout for gimp where most windows fit into their own frame.) Never touch a window title bar anymore. No resizing, no moving around... Simply brilliant. :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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the one i was looking for very long! as i don't have windoze anywhere close now could you tell me if: 1) this X server can use font server or Xorg format fontsets (.pcf.gz or .pcf) 2) does it work with xdm on server (just for sure, as naturally it should) 3) what keybinding will be blocked because it's used by windows alone? can it be used fullscreen with just one or two key combinations reserved to minimizing/iconizing it's display in windows. i tried cygwin's X server (mostly doesn't work) some time ago. i tried others, and only vnc works but it's not X server/client but bitmap differentiation. and vnc X server wasn't able to accept -fp right. at least when i tried. no polish fonts etc... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Check out this URL for starters: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html A desktop environment can mean anything ranging from a simple window manager to a complete suite of desktop applications, such as KDE or GNOME. can mean is very far from definition. further reading shows that desktop is where data and applications can be placed. i always though that data and application are on disk. still no definition of desktop, but looks like desktop=ability to display icon symbols of files and programs (which are files too) and ability to provide panel for starting programs and doing some other maintenance. do i say right? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You should give it a try. Its very fast and very lightweight. faster than fvwm2. so i will :) my .fvwm2rc, but it uses /etc/wm-menus/Fvwm-pl with program menu. you may write it yourself or use my menugen program. set with assumption that it's 1024x768 screen WindowFont-adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2 MenuStyle white black white -adobe-helvetica-medium-r-*-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2 fvwm OpaqueMoveSize 100 EdgeScroll 5 5 EdgeResistance 1 1 DeskTopSize 2x2 #ImagePath /usr/pkg/share/fvwm2/images/:/usr/pkg/include/X11/pixmaps/: Style * NoTitle, HintOverride, SmartPlacement, NoPPosition, BorderWidth 0, HandleWidth 0 Style Fvwm*Sticky, WindowListSkip Read /etc/wm-menus/Fvwm-pl DestroyMenu StartMenu AddToMenu StartMenu + FreeBSD AppsPopup FreeBSD + Quit fvwm2Quit + Restart Fvwm2Restart #AddToFunc Move-or-Raise M Move #+ M Raise #+ C Raise #+ D Maximize 100 100 Mouse 1IAIconify False Mouse 1 W C Maximize 100 100 Mouse 2WCRaiseLower Mouse 3 WI C Close Mouse 1W4Move Mouse 2WI4Iconify Mouse 3W4Resize Key RightA4Desk 1 Key LeftA4Desk -1 Key F1A4Desk 0 0 Key F2A4Desk 0 1 Key F3A4Desk 0 2 Key F4A4Desk 0 3 Key F5A4Desk 0 4 Key F6A4Desk 0 5 Key F7A4Desk 0 6 Key F8A4Desk 0 7 Key F9A4Desk 0 8 Key F10A4Desk 0 9 Key F11A4Desk 0 10 Key F12A4Desk 0 11 Key F1ACDesk 0 21 Key F2ACDesk 0 22 Key F3ACDesk 0 23 Key F4ACDesk 0 24 Key F5ACDesk 0 25 Key F6ACDesk 0 26 Key F7ACDesk 0 27 Key F8ACDesk 0 28 Key F9ACDesk 0 29 Key F10ACDesk 0 30 Key F11ACDesk 0 31 Key F12ACDesk 0 32 Key MA4Menu StartMenu Key MenuAAMenu StartMenu Key XA4Exec exec xterm -geometry 102x38+0+0 -ls Key WA4WindowList ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Eric ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hm, sounds like installing ion3 would be an easier task. ion3 is the WM of my choice, and it does exactly (or nearly) what you describe, and some more. You can additionally set up different layouts i am always open for making my workplace more productive and easier to use. so i will have a try of E17 and ion3, while second looks like more designed to my needs. i tried ratpoison but i was unable to do single-key switching to other desktops and manage well subwindows in some apps like gimp, which always needs multiple windows on one desktop. PS. Because i don't get definition of desktop i used there and in other posts: desktop is one complete full screen workspace. be it text or graphics doesn't matter. PS2. still waiting for precise desktop definition, because i think that this term is regularly misused. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-- Forwarded message -- From: Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 12-Mar-2007 12:56 Subject: Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots... To: Eric Schuele [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 12/03/07, Eric Schuele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/12/2007 03:01, Wojciech Puchar wrote: default, window frames and titles removed, all screen available for ACTUAL USE. All easily attainable in E17. :) put a config for E17 for those interested. Unfortunately the config files are now in a binary format. So to post them would be less than enlightening. :P yuck, yuck, yuck Jeff -- Q: What will happen in the Aftermath? A: Impossible to tell, since we're still in the Beforemath. http://latedeveloper.org.uk -- Q: What will happen in the Aftermath? A: Impossible to tell, since we're still in the Beforemath. http://latedeveloper.org.uk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:17:38 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out this URL for starters: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x11.html A desktop environment can mean anything ranging from a simple window manager to a complete suite of desktop applications, such as KDE or GNOME. can mean is very far from definition. further reading shows that desktop is where data and applications can be placed. i always though that data and application are on disk. still no definition of desktop, but looks like desktop=ability to display icon symbols of files and programs (which are files too) and ability to provide panel for starting programs and doing some other maintenance. do i say right? Every time I reply to one of your posts, you reply directly back to me. That is incorrect. You should be directing your reply back to the FreeBSD mail forum. Others might be in a position to assist you if they viewed your post. -- Gerard /) ,-^ ^-. // / \ .---| |--/ __ __ \---.__ |WMWMWMW| | | /\ /\ |: `---| |--| \__/ \__/ |---'^^ \\ \/|\/ \) \ \_/ / | | |+H+H+H+| \ / ^-^ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...
Hello Wojciech, May I suggest that you redirect these questions to the Xming forum? The link to the forum is at - http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming. Wojciech Puchar skrev: the one i was looking for very long! as i don't have windoze anywhere close now could you tell me if: 1) this X server can use font server or Xorg format fontsets (.pcf.gz or .pcf) 2) does it work with xdm on server (just for sure, as naturally it should) 3) what keybinding will be blocked because it's used by windows alone? can it be used fullscreen with just one or two key combinations reserved to minimizing/iconizing it's display in windows. i tried cygwin's X server (mostly doesn't work) some time ago. i tried others, and only vnc works but it's not X server/client but bitmap differentiation. and vnc X server wasn't able to accept -fp right. at least when i tried. no polish fonts etc... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...
On 12/03/07, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hm, sounds like installing ion3 would be an easier task. ion3 is the WM of my choice, and it does exactly (or nearly) what you describe, and some more. You can additionally set up different layouts i am always open for making my workplace more productive and easier to use. so i will have a try of E17 and ion3, while second looks like more designed to my needs. i tried ratpoison but i was unable to do single-key switching to other desktops and manage well subwindows in some apps like gimp, which always needs multiple windows on one desktop. ion3 defaults configuration is a very basic one, so it might not look that promising on the first glimpse. But since everything is configurable, you can have your own shortcuts. IMO defining the right short cuts is the hardest part, because chances are high that the WMs shortcuts conflict with an application. I finally split Ctrl_R and Meta_R from their original keys, binding them to Mod3 and Mod4 (both where available on my machine). I can send you my config if you like. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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sorry for accidentally posting this publicly not just privately and polluting list Hello Wojciech, May I suggest that you redirect these questions to the Xming forum? The link to the forum is at - http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming. . . . ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Jonathan Horne thusly... ... so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web browser works best with your recommendation? I have been using FVWM 2 (-devel version) for quite a while. Tvtwm is the emergency wm when/if fvwm upgrade goes berserk or has not been installed yet. The most interesting point is that windows are almost in the same place|state -- given same page layout -- whilst switching between the two. I think vtwm provides for more eye candy than tvtwm. I used Ion (pre-lua change) which did not disappoint; have not used current Ion version due to laziness about learning lua just to edit a configuration file. It seemed most helpful in managing gimp windows. Opera is the web browser I use (over Firefox) mainly due the ease of assiging|using key bindings similar to vi or mutt. Mutt (-devel version) is the mail reader in xterm (unless I am in hurry, then mutt works just fine on console too for fast reading). Some of my configuration files .. http://www103.pair.com/parv/comp/unix/cf/ http://www103.pair.com/parv/comp/unix/x/ - Parv -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 12/03/07, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . PS. Because i don't get definition of desktop i used there and in other posts: desktop is one complete full screen workspace. be it text or graphics doesn't matter. PS2. still waiting for precise desktop definition, because i think that this term is regularly misused. It is easily as nephanous a concept as Operating System (which see: http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=define%3A%22operating+system%22 ) (noting carefully that at least one of those items is the canonical definition of a kernel) (And more to the point, that virtually any explicitly named item could be deleted, and probably has been in some operating system somewhere). A concise definition is not really possible for desktop since it is not a technical nor scientific term. Unless you wish to define it dogmatically, in which case: good luck. In the sense of common use, a desktop is not more than a presentation of user applications. http://www.gslis.utexas.edu/~vlibrary/glossary/#D -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 05:51:06PM -0400, Parv wrote: in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Jonathan Horne thusly... ... so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web browser works best with your recommendation? I have been using FVWM 2 (-devel version) for quite a while. Tvtwm is the emergency wm when/if fvwm upgrade goes berserk or has not been installed yet. The most interesting point is that windows are almost in the same place|state -- given same page layout -- whilst switching between the two. I think vtwm provides for more eye candy than tvtwm. I used Ion (pre-lua change) which did not disappoint; have not used current Ion version due to laziness about learning lua just to edit a configuration file. It seemed most helpful in managing gimp windows. Opera is the web browser I use (over Firefox) mainly due the ease of assiging|using key bindings similar to vi or mutt. Mutt (-devel version) is the mail reader in xterm (unless I am in hurry, then mutt works just fine on console too for fast reading). Some of my configuration files .. http://www103.pair.com/parv/comp/unix/cf/ http://www103.pair.com/parv/comp/unix/x/ - Parv I use Opera and sometimes links for browsing. My e-mails: mutt, procmail, getmail, msmtp. My environment is Fluxbox. It's all about taste...try several, then decide what is best for you. -- Alexander FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
polling my FreeBSD compariots...
ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web browser works best with your recommendation? thanks, jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...
Jonathan Horne wrote: ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web browser works best with your recommendation? thanks, jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan; Take a look at WindowMaker, or BlackBox if you want to get real minimal. Both are excellent window managers (not desktops) and can be found in ports. Firefox, Thunderbird, and all the rest work just fine. Patrick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...
Jonathan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web browser works best with your recommendation? I've been using xfce4 for quite a while. I like it because it's got everything I need, and not a lot of extra junk to get in my way (I find KDE and GNOME bloated) I use Sylpheed for mail and Firefox for web. HTH -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...
Jonathan Horne wrote: ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web browser works best with your recommendation? thanks, jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out http://www.enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/DR17/ It's in ports and its probably what you're looking for, fast, function and a fair bit of eyecandy. I honestly opt for Opera because its fast, functional and it has all the functionality I want built right in. As for mail, it seems Opera dropped the ball on IMAP support. It's utterly horrid in Opera 9. Because of this I go for thunderbird because it just works the way I want. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...
--- Jonathan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web browser works best with your recommendation? thanks, jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Jonathan, Here are a few questions: 1) Are you looking for a Desktop Environment (DE)? 2) Are you looking for a Window Manager (WM)? Here is a little blurb that describes the differences: http://xwinman.org/intro.php The above site also has a very comprehensive list of both DE's and WM's. Basically; decide if you want a very integrated environment or something less integrated . Personally; I prefer WM's over DE's. From that point; I select the applications that I want on my system. WM are basically very streamlined with few utilities (if any). Contrast that with Gnome or KDE; which come with an array of support tools (IE: browsers, file managers, printer configuration tools, system utilities, et al). In essence; it is a matter of choice. My vote is for Fluxbox (WM). PS: Keep in mind that some lines blur with DE and WMs. In my humble opinion some WM have a DE feel to them. explore the above link and see what strikes a chord. Regards, Paulette McGee The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...
Patrick Bowen wrote: Jonathan Horne wrote: ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web browser works best with your recommendation? thanks, jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan; Take a look at WindowMaker, or BlackBox if you want to get real minimal. Both are excellent window managers (not desktops) and can be found in ports. Firefox, Thunderbird, and all the rest work just fine. Patrick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan, I have used XFCE 3.* on all my free BSD boxes for years. It is a Simple GUI which I use on any Desktops I build. The video is clear and is simple. ( XFCE4* I did not like the concept.) Emails etc all work and install easily from ports. Aloha, ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + + http://internetohana.org - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* + All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...
ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. you should first define what desktop is. i use xorg+fvwm2 with much modified (cut down) configuration, having most of things attached to keys. can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web browser works best with your recommendation? i use opera and links. for mail i use text-mode pine ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...
Hello Jonathan, I had great help from this mailing list setting up wdm+fluxbox recently. They're minimalistic and slick to use. If you should need to connect with a windows box there's Xming. Look in the archives! Good luck! Jonathan Horne skrev: ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web browser works best with your recommendation? thanks, jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...
On 03/11/2007 13:28, Sean Bryant wrote: Jonathan Horne wrote: ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web browser works best with your recommendation? thanks, jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out http://www.enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/DR17/ It's in ports and its probably what you're looking for, fast, function and a fair bit of eyecandy. I'll second the E17! I honestly opt for Opera because its fast, functional and it has all the functionality I want built right in. As for mail, it seems Opera dropped the ball on IMAP support. It's utterly horrid in Opera 9. Because of this I go for thunderbird because it just works the way I want. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Eric ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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a fair bit of eyecandy. I'll second the E17! i like to get all icons, menus, frames and windows to minimum, as it doesn't improve productivity, while taking space of the screen. as i found (at least with fvwm2) that minimum=ZERO i did this and use that config for over 3 years (with netbsd before switching to freebsd) completely black desktop, 24 virtual consoles (keys Windows-F1 to F12, CTRL-F1 to F12 and Windows-arrows), x terminal with Windows-X, other programs with menu key and menu, all programs started full screen by default, window frames and titles removed, all screen available for ACTUAL USE. sometimes when i have to use windows machine, after few minutes of use i automatically press Windows-right arrow trying to switch console from that game and do something useful. unfortunately it doesn't work there ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 03/11/2007 17:44, Wojciech Puchar wrote: a fair bit of eyecandy. I'll second the E17! i like to get all icons, menus, frames and windows to minimum, as it doesn't improve productivity, while taking space of the screen. as i found (at least with fvwm2) that minimum=ZERO i did this and use that config for over 3 years (with netbsd before switching to freebsd) completely black desktop, 24 virtual consoles (keys Windows-F1 to F12, CTRL-F1 to F12 and Windows-arrows), x terminal with Windows-X, other programs with menu key and menu, all programs started full screen by default, window frames and titles removed, all screen available for ACTUAL USE. All easily attainable in E17. :) sometimes when i have to use windows machine, after few minutes of use i automatically press Windows-right arrow trying to switch console from that game and do something useful. unfortunately it doesn't work there ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Eric ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: polling my FreeBSD compariots...
On 11/03/07, Jonathan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ive been a KDE user for as long as i can remember. this week, im off from work, and want to spend some time trying something new with my laptop. so far i have it built with 6.2-RELEASE-p2, and xorg up to the minimal desktop. id like to try to try something thats not gnome, or basically id like to try some of the lesser known, but still just as functional desktops. can i get some recommendations, as well as what graphical mail reader and web browser works best with your recommendation? evilwm on xorg with xfmail and opera and an .xinitrc of: evilwm exec xsetroot -cursor_name ul_angle exec xset m 19/5 12 b 90 880 12 exec swisswatch -geometry -0+0 -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
