Re: [Freedos-user] Question Regarding FreeDOS's fdisk

[Kyle Nied]

Good news, everyone! FreeDOS's Free FDISK does support multiple primary
partitions!

I finally did a little test of what that VOGONS member laid out (using Free
FDISK that ships with FreeDOS), and man it is magical compared to the
original FDISK provided by Microsoft. It correctly detects the size of the
HDD I am using, and skips the annoyingly slow "checking drive integrity"
bullcrap that takes forever. And, the reason I tried it to make sure it did
do what the VOGONS member said it did, I was able to make 2 primary
partitions! I was able to create a 80GB primary partition for Win98 "in the
front" as the first partition, and then the rest of the space (150GB) for a
second primary partition for XP! Finally, to make sure it was all about
that "active" status, I set the second primary partition as active, and the
XP setup disk manager said that second primary partition would be the C
drive! So now I am installing Win98 (after changing the "active" status
back to the 80GB primary partition) for hopefully the last time on this
time-waster of a machine, and then will install XP, choose a boot manager,
and then enjoy!

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 10:15 PM, Felix Miata  wrote:

> Eric Auer composed on 2018-01-22 03:14 (UTC+0100):
>
> >>> dual-boot system, and Win98 *has* to be on the first partition.
>
> >>That was never the case for me. e.g.
>
> > I agree that most operating systems happily boot from ANY primary
> > partition (not necessarily the active one), I seem to remember that
> > DOS and Windows are less happy to boot from LOGICAL partitions?
>
> > If you have more specific information, I would be happy to read it.
>
> AFAIK, neither MS-DOS nor PC-DOS nor Windows can ever boot from a logical.
> I was
> not describing booting from a logical. I was describing use of a single
> small
> (as little as ~32MB for 9x) FAT primary partition (that need neither be the
> first primary nor active) for Windows (NT/9x/2000/XP/Vista/7/8/10) to boot
> M$
> from, along with all operating system installations on logicals. Having
> learned
> this with 9x, I can't recall ever installing XP anywhere but (logical) E:
> on any
> of my own BIOS PCs, (virtually?) all of which for 25 years or so have been
> and/or are multiboot. I do own a working PC with XP on C:, but I didn't
> create
> that installation.
>
> W7 (probably Vista, which I never installed anywhere, too) and newer
> apparently
> insist on calling the system partition C: even when it is a logical.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Question Regarding FreeDOS's fdisk

[Felix Miata]

Eric Auer composed on 2018-01-22 03:14 (UTC+0100):

>>> dual-boot system, and Win98 *has* to be on the first partition.

>>That was never the case for me. e.g.

> I agree that most operating systems happily boot from ANY primary
> partition (not necessarily the active one), I seem to remember that
> DOS and Windows are less happy to boot from LOGICAL partitions?

> If you have more specific information, I would be happy to read it.

AFAIK, neither MS-DOS nor PC-DOS nor Windows can ever boot from a logical. I was
not describing booting from a logical. I was describing use of a single small
(as little as ~32MB for 9x) FAT primary partition (that need neither be the
first primary nor active) for Windows (NT/9x/2000/XP/Vista/7/8/10) to boot M$
from, along with all operating system installations on logicals. Having learned
this with 9x, I can't recall ever installing XP anywhere but (logical) E: on any
of my own BIOS PCs, (virtually?) all of which for 25 years or so have been
and/or are multiboot. I do own a working PC with XP on C:, but I didn't create
that installation.

W7 (probably Vista, which I never installed anywhere, too) and newer apparently
insist on calling the system partition C: even when it is a logical.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Question Regarding FreeDOS's fdisk

[Eric Auer]

Hi Felix,

>> dual-boot system, and Win98 *has* to be on the first partition.
>That was never the case for me. e.g.

I agree that most operating systems happily boot from ANY primary
partition (not necessarily the active one), I seem to remember that
DOS and Windows are less happy to boot from LOGICAL partitions?

If you have more specific information, I would be happy to read it.

Regards, Eric


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Re: [Freedos-user] Announce: E100PKT 0.1, packet driver for DOS

[Louis Santillan]

Which NIC is this?  An Intel chip?  I'm really surprised that something
from crynwr [0], sioux [1], or dunfield didn't work [2].

[0] http://www.crynwr.com/drivers/00index.html
[1] http://www.georgpotthast.de/sioux/packet.htm
[2] http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/dos/pktdrv.zip

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Jim Hall  wrote:

> Excellent! I've mirrored this to ibiblio:
>
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/net/e100pkt/
>
> I'll write a news item about it for the website.
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Jerome Shidel  wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Cool. It’s always great to expand compatibility.
> >
> > I don’t readily have access to a gopher client.
> >
> > Did you put together a complete FreeDOS package for your driver? Or, is
> only your driver available?
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 21, 2018, at 1:29 PM, sethsi...@sdf.org wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi everyone,
> >> My Ethernet adapter didn't have a proper DOS driver, so I wrote
> >> one. It is compatible with the same PCI devices as Linux's e100
> >> kernel module. It is available at
> >> gopher://sdf.org/1/users/sethsimon/e100pkt/ and is released
> >> under the GNU GPLv3.
> >>
> >> This should be treated as alpha software since I can only test
> >> it with one hardware configuration (my adapter (8086:27dc) is
> >> integrated into the motherboard)).
> >>
> >> - Seth Simon
> >>
> >> P.S. Despite the name, E100PKT is not the same as E1000PKT!
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Announce: E100PKT 0.1, packet driver for DOS

[Jim Hall]

Excellent! I've mirrored this to ibiblio:

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/net/e100pkt/

I'll write a news item about it for the website.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Jerome Shidel  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Cool. It’s always great to expand compatibility.
>
> I don’t readily have access to a gopher client.
>
> Did you put together a complete FreeDOS package for your driver? Or, is only 
> your driver available?
>
>
>> On Jan 21, 2018, at 1:29 PM, sethsi...@sdf.org wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>> My Ethernet adapter didn't have a proper DOS driver, so I wrote
>> one. It is compatible with the same PCI devices as Linux's e100
>> kernel module. It is available at
>> gopher://sdf.org/1/users/sethsimon/e100pkt/ and is released
>> under the GNU GPLv3.
>>
>> This should be treated as alpha software since I can only test
>> it with one hardware configuration (my adapter (8086:27dc) is
>> integrated into the motherboard)).
>>
>> - Seth Simon
>>
>> P.S. Despite the name, E100PKT is not the same as E1000PKT!
>>
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Question Regarding FreeDOS's fdisk

[Kyle Nied]

Jan:

> More universal or newer disk tools may allow you to create multiple
> primary partitions.
>

Got it! And, by "more universal or newer disk tools", I'm sure I can
include FreeDOS's fdisk in that list, and if that is the case. great! If
not, just let me know :). Thanks Jan!

(for example my own 'DFSee' disk utility)

:P Hey, you got to spread the word somehow, and I can respect that. I'll
give it a look. :)


> However, there is a reason the older (DOS, Win98 etc) do not allow that.
> These older operating systems can not handle multiple visible primary
> partitions,
> they will fail on booting.


I'm guessing that is why the first partition on a hard drive for those OSs
should *always* be the *primary*, *active boot* partition for the given OS.

TJ:

> I'm pretty sure WinXP itself can create multiple primary partitions.


I'm also pretty sure that is true.


> Why not create the first partition (leaving some extra space on the disk)
> with whatever utility you want, install XP, then when XP is up and running
> create a second partition using XP's disk manager?


 Remember (not trying to sound mean), this is meant to be a Win98/XP
dual-boot system, and Win98 *has* to be on the first partition.
...
I mean, I'm sure I could somehow do it with the Windows XP partition
manager (the one that is loaded upon CD installation), but the manager is,
um, in my experience, very basic and not flexible. Plus, I would still need
to change "active" statuses with another partition manager to do what that
VOGONS member outlined earlier.

If you had XP and 98 each installed on a partition, I think you could grab
> the 98 boot sector and add it to BOOT.INI. Then when XP boots you would
> have a menu option to boot 98.


Hmm, that is an interesting piece of information. Boot-sector-related
information is still kind of "voodoo" to me, but I'll learn soon, I'm sure.

Jan:

> Yes, Windows-98 knows it can't handle that :)


(:(   :)

Okay, I think I can safely say that my question was answered. I'll try
using a FreeDOS bootdisk in a new attempt at this endeavor later, and post
back here the results.

Thanks for your help everybody!

If you care to see what I am doing mainly forum-wise, check me out at
VOGONS (for example, here is my topic regarding my first retro gaming
machine: https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=25=56714 ; when I have
this second one up and running 100%, I'll create another topic dedicated to
it).

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Jan van Wijk  wrote:

> Hi Kyle,
>
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 22:31:38 -0500 Kyle Nied wrote:
> >
> >What, out of all of these fdisk versions (minus
> >vanilla fdisk, of course), can you create multiple primary partitions?
>
> More universal or newer disk tools may allow you to create multiple
> primary partitions.
> (for example my own 'DFSee' disk utility)
>
> However, there is a reason the older (DOS, Win98 etc) do not allow that.
> These older operating systems can not handle multiple visible primary
> partitions,
> they will fail on booting.
>
> Apart from using a logical for one of them (not always possible) the best
> way
> to handle multiple operating systems that way (each in a primary, aka C:)
> is to use a bootmanager that handles automatic hiding/showing.
>
> It will make the selected OS partition visible (for a FAT install, type
> 0x06)
> and hide the other primaries (changing 0x06 ones into 0x16).
>
> One bootmanager that will do that is the classic IBM BootManager that
> came with OS/2 (and eComstation, and ArcaOS-5) but that is not free ...
>
> I am sure there are others that can do this too
>
>
>
> >To
> >demonstrate what I am trying to do and show that I cannot do it with what
> I
> >have, here is a video of me booting off of a custom (no "RAMdrive")
> Windows
> >98 SE bootdisk image (found here: http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm )
> on
> >a flash drive using a GOTEK USB floppy emulator (watch about it here:
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taFP1J_lZBI= ) and trying to create a
> >secondary primary partition next to one that already exists (
> >https://flic.kr/p/23AQgLb ). As you can see, it doesn't work, because a
> >"Primary DOS Partition Already Exists".
>
> Yes, Windows-98 knows it can't handle that :)
>
> Regards, JvW
>
> Jan van Wijk, author of DFSee; http://www.dfsee.com/dfsee/
> 
> 
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[Freedos-user] Announce: E100PKT 0.1, packet driver for DOS

[sethsimon]

Hi everyone,
My Ethernet adapter didn't have a proper DOS driver, so I wrote
one. It is compatible with the same PCI devices as Linux's e100
kernel module. It is available at
gopher://sdf.org/1/users/sethsimon/e100pkt/ and is released
under the GNU GPLv3.

This should be treated as alpha software since I can only test
it with one hardware configuration (my adapter (8086:27dc) is
integrated into the motherboard)).

- Seth Simon

P.S. Despite the name, E100PKT is not the same as E1000PKT!


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Re: [Freedos-user] default screen colors

[Raul Salas]

Thank You.
  
  
  


 From: "John R. Sowden" 
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 3:25 PM
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] default screen colors   
If you use a command processor like 4DOS, you can say "cls white on blue"

John

On 01/20/2018 10:32 AM, Eric Auer wrote:
> Hey Raul!
>
>> Can anybody tell me how to change the default color of my
>> FREEDOS screen from BLACK background with WHITE text TO
>> BLUE BACKGROUND WITH white TEXT? THANKS IN ADVANCE!
> The standard method of this is to load the ANSI driver
> (for example NANSI) and send appropriate ESCape sequences
> to change the colors. People usually do that with PROMPT
> settings in their config / autoexec but you can also use
> the EECHO tool or other means of writing ESC sequences.
>
> Because it basically works the same in all DOS versions,
> you can search the web for any old MS DOS, DR DOS, PC
> DOS, FreeDOS or other tutorial on the topic to find out
> more about the possibilities :-) You can also read the
> NANSI documentation (nansi.doc or the HTMLHELP for it).
> With FreeDOS EDIT, you can also insert the ESC character
> (hex 0x1b, decimal 27) directly into ECHO lines in your
> autoexec. But as said, the usual method is the PROMPT.
>
> Regards, Eric
>
>
> 

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Re: [Freedos-user] default screen colors

[Raul Salas]

 Thank You!


 From: "Jerome Shidel" 
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 7:53 AM
To: "Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS." 

Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] default screen colors
Hello,

I guess I'll chime in with yet another way.

If you did a full install of FreeDOS 1.2, you can just use one of the utilities 
of V8Power Tools to change the screen color.

vcls /b blue /f white

Unfortunately, most of these suggestions (including mine) are only 
half-measures at best.

This is mostly due to how DOS handles color.

And you will continue to eventually end up with either blocks of grey on black 
text on the screen. Or back at a grey on black prompt.

That being said, using an ansi.sys driver like NANSI and PROMPT setting, or a 
shell that can set the colors, you should be able to a least keep returning to 
your preferred console colors.

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Re: [Freedos-user] default screen colors.

[Raul Salas]

THANK YOU, AGAIN.





 From: "??? ???" 
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 9:43 AM
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] default screen colors.
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 09:50:27 -0800
> From: "Raul Salas" 
>
>
> Can anybody tell me how to change the default color of my FREEDOS scrren
> from BLACK background with WHITE text TO
>
> BLUE bACKGROUND WITH white TEXT. THANKS IN ADVANCE!
>
>

Do you mean the entire DOS screen, or just the DOS prompt?

1) For the entire screen:
Add at your FDCONFIG.SYS an entry like:

DEVICE=\SYSTEM\DRV\NANSI.SYS

(pointing to the location where NANSI.SYS lives).

and another one:

SET PROMPT=$e[37;44m$P$G

(which sets the foreground color to 37 (white) and the background to 44 (blue)).

After adding these 2 lines save and restart.

2) If you need trying other colors as well, here's an excerpt from NANSI.DOC:

30-37 foreground black/red/green/yellow/blue/magenta/cyan/white
40-47 background black/red/green/yellow/blue/magenta/cyan/white

Giorgos.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Question Regarding FreeDOS's fdisk

[Jan van Wijk]

Hi Kyle,

On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 22:31:38 -0500 Kyle Nied wrote:
>
>What, out of all of these fdisk versions (minus
>vanilla fdisk, of course), can you create multiple primary partitions? 

More universal or newer disk tools may allow you to create multiple primary 
partitions.
(for example my own 'DFSee' disk utility)

However, there is a reason the older (DOS, Win98 etc) do not allow that.
These older operating systems can not handle multiple visible primary 
partitions,
they will fail on booting.

Apart from using a logical for one of them (not always possible) the best way
to handle multiple operating systems that way (each in a primary, aka C:)
is to use a bootmanager that handles automatic hiding/showing.

It will make the selected OS partition visible (for a FAT install, type 0x06)
and hide the other primaries (changing 0x06 ones into 0x16).

One bootmanager that will do that is the classic IBM BootManager that
came with OS/2 (and eComstation, and ArcaOS-5) but that is not free ...

I am sure there are others that can do this too



>To
>demonstrate what I am trying to do and show that I cannot do it with what I
>have, here is a video of me booting off of a custom (no "RAMdrive") Windows
>98 SE bootdisk image (found here: http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm ) on
>a flash drive using a GOTEK USB floppy emulator (watch about it here:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taFP1J_lZBI= ) and trying to create a
>secondary primary partition next to one that already exists (
>https://flic.kr/p/23AQgLb ). As you can see, it doesn't work, because a
>"Primary DOS Partition Already Exists".

Yes, Windows-98 knows it can't handle that :)

Regards, JvW

Jan van Wijk, author of DFSee; http://www.dfsee.com/dfsee/


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Re: [Freedos-user] default screen colors.

[Γιώργος Κωστόπουλος]

>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 09:50:27 -0800
> From: "Raul Salas" 
>
>
>  Can anybody tell me how to change the default color of my FREEDOS scrren
> from BLACK background with WHITE text TO
>
>  BLUE bACKGROUND WITH white TEXT.  THANKS IN ADVANCE!
>
>

Do you mean the entire DOS screen, or just the DOS prompt?

1) For the entire screen:
Add at your FDCONFIG.SYS an entry like:

DEVICE=\SYSTEM\DRV\NANSI.SYS

(pointing to the location where NANSI.SYS lives).

and another one:

SET PROMPT=$e[37;44m$P$G

(which sets the foreground color to 37 (white) and the background to 44 (blue)).

After adding these 2 lines save and restart.

2) If you need trying other colors as well, here's an excerpt from NANSI.DOC:

30-37   foreground black/red/green/yellow/blue/magenta/cyan/white
40-47   background black/red/green/yellow/blue/magenta/cyan/white

Giorgos.

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Re: [Freedos-user] default screen colors

[Jerome Shidel]

Hello, 

I guess I’ll chime in with yet another way.

If you did a full install of FreeDOS 1.2, you can just use one of the utilities 
of V8Power Tools to change the screen color.

vcls /b blue /f white

Unfortunately, most of these suggestions (including mine) are only 
half-measures at best.

This is mostly due to how DOS handles color. 

And you will continue to eventually end up with either blocks of grey on black 
text on the screen. Or back at a grey on black prompt.

That being said, using an ansi.sys driver like NANSI and PROMPT setting, or a 
shell that can set the colors, you should be able to a least keep returning to 
your preferred console colors.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Question Regarding FreeDOS's fdisk

[TJ Edmister]

On Sat, 20 Jan 2018 22:31:38 -0500, Kyle Nied  wrote:


What, out of all of these fdisk versions (minus
vanilla fdisk, of course), can you create multiple primary partitions?


I'm pretty sure WinXP itself can create multiple primary partitions. Why  
not create the first partition (leaving some extra space on the disk) with  
whatever utility you want, install XP, then when XP is up and running  
create a second partition using XP's disk manager?


In regards to other things, yes, I will look at boot managers for this  
dual
boot, as it would not work without it, due to the configuration I am  
trying

to achieve.


If you had XP and 98 each installed on a partition, I think you could grab  
the 98 boot sector and add it to BOOT.INI. Then when XP boots you would  
have a menu option to boot 98.



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