Re: [Freedos-user] Looking for Video Player (open source?)

[Don Flowers]

I use one that is not open source but plays just about every codec you
named.

http://www.multimediaware.com/qv/

On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 1:59 AM Mateusz Viste 
wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Oct 2018 17:18:43 +0200, Pär Moberg wrote:
> > Den tor 4 okt. 2018 16:11Mateusz Viste  skrev:
> >> There was a very good DOS port of MPlayer floating around few years
> >> ago. No hardware acceleration support of course, but on a fast CPU it
> >> was able to decode movies nicely.
> >
> > You mean the one in the freedos package repository?
>
> I may have packaged it at the time, yes.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS website

[Don Flowers]

Thanks Gents!
You ave shed additional light on a rather complicated subject.

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:24 PM Eric Auer  wrote:

>
> Hi Don, at the risk of making this thread even longer...
>
> Yes, ebook readers tend to use Linux. Nicer brands even
> publish development kits ;-) But Linux is a whole OS. So
> as long as Amazon publishes any changes to the kernel
> with sources, they can run any of their closed source,
> DRM protected document viewers they want on their box.
> Or you just buy another brand without DRM, of course.
>
> Another "fun case" was the modem chip in some smartphone,
> I think even one by Apple. It took some GPL enthousiasts
> some lengthy discussions to get ENOUGH sources for the
> firmware to be able to understand their embedded Linux.
>
> Seems it was some Qualcomm Quectel module, also used in
> iPhone 5, among others (EC20 MDM9615). There is a talk
> about it: "Dissecting Modern (3G/4G) Cellular Modems".
>
> Cheers, Eric
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS website

[Don Flowers]

So this statement caught my attention:" Other things that have a Linux
kernel uder the hood are the Amazon Kindle and B Nook eBook reader
devices (and source
for their Linux kernel and firmware is available."
Amazon may have released some part of the code but not all, else DRM would
not be employed so vehemently.  Which begs the question how much (or
little) dissemination of code constitutes GPL compliance?

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 4:14 PM dmccunney  wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 2:32 PM Cuvtixo D  wrote:
> >
> > I'm glad this is being cleared up a bit here. Yes, I should have made
> the civil/criminal distinction. Yes, it's too expensive to be practical for
> commercial companies. But still, at least in my fantasies, Stallman would
> have done a big fundraiser to bring such a case to court, since he seems to
> be attached to principals rather than personal enrichment.
>
> He is indeed.  I don't know details, but I suspect his personal
> finances place him *well* below the poverty level.  I think I
> mentioned elsewhere that Stallman reminds me of a monk in the middle
> ages, living in a cave somewhere and supporting himself through alms
> donated by the pious so he can devote his full time and effort to his
> conception of who God is and and what his God wants us to do.
>
> I don't see Stallman as being *capable* of the sort of effort you
> mention.  Among other things, I'm pretty sure he has Asperger
> syndrome, and communication with other *people* is what Aspergers
> impacts.  Give him a terminal and let him talk to a computer, and
> things are fine.  Talking to other *people* may be another matter.
>
> > My ex worked for the remnants of Symbolics. Ironically, when someone was
> interested in buying and making the company an educational non-profit, one
> new employee took it upon himself to propose Macsyma, among their other
> software, be open sourced, to the "benefactor." This undermined the CEO's
> pitch, though I have no clear idea what else made the negotiation fail,
> except the Harvard math department got the money instead(!). But I got
> hooked on linux and, at least the theory of, Open Source.
>
> Ah, the Lisp Machines vs Symbolics  days.  That was another formative
> period for Stallman, as his notion that code should be shared had him
> reverse engineering Symbolics developments and contributing them to
> Lisp Machnes.
>
> The market for dedicated hardware running Lisp was transitory, and
> evaporated as higher capacity general purpose machines that could run
> Lisp  acceptably appeared.  (A beneficiary of the was Gnu Emacs, which
> is essentially a Lisp interpreter implementing a Lisp flavor based on
> Maclisp.  Most of Emacs is written in the dialect of Lisp it
> implements, and if you are fluent  in Lisp you can get it to do all
> manner of things.  I knew folks who used Emacs as their shell on Unix
> systems, because Emacs could communicate via pipes with the underlying
> system, and you could have a terminal session in an Emacs buffer will
> all Emacs editing features available.
>
> Emacs could also play games, and got extended to a full IDE with
> access to source repositories, compilers, and debuggers.  Developers
> never had to leave Emacs when developing code.  I know some folks who
> still use Emacs that way.
>
> I have no idea what went on with the effort to make Symbolics into an
> educational non-profit.  But note that "non profits" does not mean you
> can't make money.  You almost certainly have to to remain a going
> concerns.  What non-profit status does is place restrictions on what
> you can *do* with the money you make.  (In particular, it can't be
> returned to shareholders as dividends.)
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Re: [Freedos-user] DOS networking with embedded Realtek PCIe - 8168

[Don Flowers]

Previous links has ipxodi - following link has odipkt.
https://bbs.retropc.se/smmnetwk/00index.html



On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 8:18 AM Don Flowers  wrote:

> http://dukeworld.com/idgames/utils/network/=s=a
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 7:10 PM Don Flowers  wrote:
>
>> Make sure your net.cfg setting are specific to rtgeodi. Usually rtgbodi
>> is default. Also rearrange frame hierarchy;  there are several odipkt
>> driver you may have to hunt try way back machine
>>
>> On Saturday, August 18, 2018, Bertho Grandpied via Freedos-user <
>> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Had anyone been successfully DOS-networking using the RT Gigabit adapter
>>> in Subj, I will
>>> humbly take their lessons. My new board (Biostar A68MD-Pro with AMD A10
>>> CPU) has embedded Realtek 8168 GB ethernet controller, for which I sought a
>>> DOS "packet driver".
>>>
>>> At Realtek's site, no packet driver, but they do offer an  "ODI" driver
>>> ("rtgeodi.com") : which I got, and then ran in turn the usual trilogy
>>> of TSRs:
>>>
>>> > LSL
>>> > RTGEODI
>>> > ODIPKT  1; comment : alternatively, PKT2ODI /B:2
>>>
>>> This "trilogy" installs "successfully" - at least, each TSR in turn
>>> while installing itself reports success.
>>>
>>> In conjunction with an appropriate NET.CFG... and a TCP/IP network stack
>>> such as Trumpet's, or built-in to DOS networking programs...  it should've
>>> been a piece of cake, in my experience, but alas !  *None work* ! Not any
>>> type datagram seems to go in/out on the wire...
>>>
>>> I know the adapter itself is "good" (works as designed in, sorry to have
>>> to mention it, Windows 10).
>>> Also, the Realtek test program in DOS sees, accesses the adapter and
>>> local tests pass OK.
>>>
>>> At this point I'm lost. Either the, Realtek provided ODI driver doesn't
>>> in fact support the flavour of embedded adapter I have got, could there be
>>> a "secret sauce" required to initialise the adapter ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Ah ! I also tried the well known "net boot disk" (an image, run through
>>> Gru4DOS, since this new machine - of course - doesn't have floppy).
>>> Interestingly, /it/ didn't work either, though it identified the adapter
>>> correctly; significant, for the net bootdisk uses another approach
>>> altogether than what I have sketched above, namely it tries to install
>>> MS-DOS (NDIS) networking. Didn't work either :=(
>>>
>>> I am sure a number of people reading this letter are (much) more used to
>>> fixing this kind of problems than I will ever be. Hoping for a heads-up (or
>>> just tell me it won't work, so I don't lose my time and last hair on this
>>> enigma)...
>>>
>>> TYiA
>>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] DOS networking with embedded Realtek PCIe - 8168

[Don Flowers]

http://dukeworld.com/idgames/utils/network/=s=a

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 7:10 PM Don Flowers  wrote:

> Make sure your net.cfg setting are specific to rtgeodi. Usually rtgbodi is
> default. Also rearrange frame hierarchy;  there are several odipkt driver
> you may have to hunt try way back machine
>
> On Saturday, August 18, 2018, Bertho Grandpied via Freedos-user <
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
>> Had anyone been successfully DOS-networking using the RT Gigabit adapter
>> in Subj, I will
>> humbly take their lessons. My new board (Biostar A68MD-Pro with AMD A10
>> CPU) has embedded Realtek 8168 GB ethernet controller, for which I sought a
>> DOS "packet driver".
>>
>> At Realtek's site, no packet driver, but they do offer an  "ODI" driver ("
>> rtgeodi.com") : which I got, and then ran in turn the usual trilogy of
>> TSRs:
>>
>> > LSL
>> > RTGEODI
>> > ODIPKT  1; comment : alternatively, PKT2ODI /B:2
>>
>> This "trilogy" installs "successfully" - at least, each TSR in turn while
>> installing itself reports success.
>>
>> In conjunction with an appropriate NET.CFG... and a TCP/IP network stack
>> such as Trumpet's, or built-in to DOS networking programs...  it should've
>> been a piece of cake, in my experience, but alas !  *None work* ! Not any
>> type datagram seems to go in/out on the wire...
>>
>> I know the adapter itself is "good" (works as designed in, sorry to have
>> to mention it, Windows 10).
>> Also, the Realtek test program in DOS sees, accesses the adapter and
>> local tests pass OK.
>>
>> At this point I'm lost. Either the, Realtek provided ODI driver doesn't
>> in fact support the flavour of embedded adapter I have got, could there be
>> a "secret sauce" required to initialise the adapter ?
>>
>>
>> Ah ! I also tried the well known "net boot disk" (an image, run through
>> Gru4DOS, since this new machine - of course - doesn't have floppy).
>> Interestingly, /it/ didn't work either, though it identified the adapter
>> correctly; significant, for the net bootdisk uses another approach
>> altogether than what I have sketched above, namely it tries to install
>> MS-DOS (NDIS) networking. Didn't work either :=(
>>
>> I am sure a number of people reading this letter are (much) more used to
>> fixing this kind of problems than I will ever be. Hoping for a heads-up (or
>> just tell me it won't work, so I don't lose my time and last hair on this
>> enigma)...
>>
>> TYiA
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] DOS networking with embedded Realtek PCIe - 8168

[Don Flowers]

Make sure your net.cfg setting are specific to rtgeodi. Usually rtgbodi is
default. Also rearrange frame hierarchy;  there are several odipkt driver
you may have to hunt try way back machine

On Saturday, August 18, 2018, Bertho Grandpied via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Had anyone been successfully DOS-networking using the RT Gigabit adapter
> in Subj, I will
> humbly take their lessons. My new board (Biostar A68MD-Pro with AMD A10
> CPU) has embedded Realtek 8168 GB ethernet controller, for which I sought a
> DOS "packet driver".
>
> At Realtek's site, no packet driver, but they do offer an  "ODI" driver ("
> rtgeodi.com") : which I got, and then ran in turn the usual trilogy of
> TSRs:
>
> > LSL
> > RTGEODI
> > ODIPKT  1; comment : alternatively, PKT2ODI /B:2
>
> This "trilogy" installs "successfully" - at least, each TSR in turn while
> installing itself reports success.
>
> In conjunction with an appropriate NET.CFG... and a TCP/IP network stack
> such as Trumpet's, or built-in to DOS networking programs...  it should've
> been a piece of cake, in my experience, but alas !  *None work* ! Not any
> type datagram seems to go in/out on the wire...
>
> I know the adapter itself is "good" (works as designed in, sorry to have
> to mention it, Windows 10).
> Also, the Realtek test program in DOS sees, accesses the adapter and local
> tests pass OK.
>
> At this point I'm lost. Either the, Realtek provided ODI driver doesn't in
> fact support the flavour of embedded adapter I have got, could there be a
> "secret sauce" required to initialise the adapter ?
>
>
> Ah ! I also tried the well known "net boot disk" (an image, run through
> Gru4DOS, since this new machine - of course - doesn't have floppy).
> Interestingly, /it/ didn't work either, though it identified the adapter
> correctly; significant, for the net bootdisk uses another approach
> altogether than what I have sketched above, namely it tries to install
> MS-DOS (NDIS) networking. Didn't work either :=(
>
> I am sure a number of people reading this letter are (much) more used to
> fixing this kind of problems than I will ever be. Hoping for a heads-up (or
> just tell me it won't work, so I don't lose my time and last hair on this
> enigma)...
>
> TYiA
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Networking with NetWare?

[Don Flowers]

PNW relies on the ODI shim. Try RTSODI for the 8139. "Most"  8169s work
with The RTEODI. . Here's the key all drivers in the PNW segment have a
NET.CFG Save one play with one. Adjust the placement of the  802.11,803.11,
Alonso look at the OEM supplied .ins file.

On Sunday, July 8, 2018, Ralf Quint  wrote:

> On 7/8/2018 3:07 AM, Bruce Sommerset wrote:
>
> Hello everyone. I'm a new user to FreeDOS.
>
> I have some questions that perhaps more experienced users might be able to
> help me with. I am trying to get two computers to communicate with one
> another (Basically a small network) I have been skeptical about switching
> from MS-DOS 6.22 to FreeDOS purely for the sole purpose of getting this
> network going and perhaps be a little easier to configure.
>
> My biggest problem was trying to get the drivers going for Personal
> Netware. I have two Realtek network adapters for these supposed computers.
> (1. RTL8169SC and the 2. RTL8139)
>
> I just downloaded a bunch of drivers for each of them. I know they were
> being detected by Microsoft Network Client.
>
> Forgive me, but I am very new to networking for FreeDOS or DOS in general.
> I've never done anything like this before, so I'm hoping to get the proper
> guidance on how to go about this problem. It's been pretty stressful trying
> to figure this all out.
>
> I appreciate any feedback. Thanks.
>
> I used to network FreeDOS with both Personal Netware as well as with my
> Netware 3.12 server.
>
> The problem, specially nowadays, is to have drivers for the network cards
> that you are using. And for any version of Netware, the drivers are
> different than the ones for the Microsoft Network client. And for most
> newer network adapters/chips, there do no longer exist Netware drivers.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] DISKCOPY to disk larger than image

[Don Flowers]

try dcopy  1.0 I have transferred even 180kb images to a 1.44 floppy.
Check vogons or oldskool  for download
Winimage has a dos extractor and injector for building images.
extract the image and then convert it to a 1.44 easypeasy!

On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 12:40 PM, geneb  wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Jun 2018, Dale E Sterner wrote:
>
> Try xcopy instead.
>>
>> xcopy doesn't work with disk images.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Trying to run a Dell bios update exe in FreeDOS 1.2

[Don Flowers]

I have several HP notebooks with similar results. I have found CABEXT to be
very useful  for extracting the DOS executable from the BIOS update. Maybe
the DELL BIOS has a similar pack.?

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Jim Hall  wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Mario Menezes 
> wrote:
> >
> > I've to say that using a Windows PE iso (got from here
> https://toolslib.net/downloads/viewdownload/255-winpese-x64/)  and
> LiveUSB tool (http://live.learnfree.eu/en/) to create the bootable
> pendrive I was able to run the firmware upgrade files.
> >
> > I'll still post to Dell community forums to have some official word from
> them with regard to DOS support as stated in their download page.
> Unfortunately, my notebook is quite old and its warranty has expired; so
> the community forums is my only way to contact them, I think.
> >
> > Once again, thanks for all your attention and help.
> >
> > Best regards,
>
>
>
> Just curious: When you were able to run it, what was the output after
> "Test"?
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Re: [Freedos-user] Now it gets odd Re: FreeDOS workaround for hidden IDE controller?

[Don Flowers]

>"Missing Operating System" is usually issued by the master boot
>record, when no active partition is found.

I have a Compaq Presario that issues that statement apparently from the
BIOS, as I switch among about 4 hard drives and sometimes the drive is not
fully inserted in the connector..

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 9:16 AM, Tom Ehlert  wrote:

>
> > I used CloneDisk to rip a RAW image of the booting DOM with
> > FreeDOS. Mounted that with Qemu. Booted Qemu with the FreeDOS
> > install image and installed FreeDOS to the image copied from the
> > DOM. Then I used CloneDisk to write that image back to the DOM. "Missing
> Operating System".
>
> I just reread this post.
>
>
> "Missing Operating System" is usually issued by the master boot
> record, when no active partition is found.
>
> is the DOM partitioned, or a raw ('superfloppy') medium?
>
>
> Tom
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] dataperfect.

[Don Flowers]

I have a DP 2.3 which I bought from the following site:
http://www.emsps.com/oldtools/wp.htm

It is a very popular DOS database and still has a large if not cult-like
following of users.
In the mid - 90s Novell released it as "Copyrighted Freeware" .

It has received regular (for DOS anyway) updates by Lew Bastian (currently
on version 2.6y) and although it lacks the features and  "polish" that a
DBase V application might display, in my opinion if you want a db that
just works, DP is the one to choose.
Here is a link to a PDF which has everything you will ever need to know
https://www.dataperfect.nl/files/masteringdataperfect.pdf

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 3:10 PM, John R. Sowden 
wrote:

> try vetusware.com: http://vetusware.com/download/
> Data%20Perfect%202.6y/?id=4268
>
> john
>
>
> On 10/24/2017 10:43 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> Will keep the question simple.  If I recall correctly the database
>> program in the wordperfect family was called dataperfect.
>> Anyone have a dos copy?
>> Thanks,
>> Karen
>>
>>
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>> skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to
>> hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to
>> love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its
>> opposite." Nelson Mandela.
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Re: [Freedos-user] reminder

[Don Flowers]

From: Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com>

--===7955720573336150951==
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c191e48ed5447054cf4b87f

--94eb2c191e48ed5447054cf4b87f
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

I have two that I have installed, Broderbund Memory Mate and
Brown Bag Software's PC-Outline which was included with WordStar 5.5
Professional.
PCO; and if you happen to use BB's PowerMenu a CTRL-\ will bring it up.

https://www.pcorner.com/list/WORDP/PCO334.ZIP/README.1/

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wrote:

> Hello Bret,
> All I want to do , the reminder should remind me of a birthday eiter on the
> date or a few days ahead say 5 or 3 days ahead , just have it in my
> .autoexec.bat file so on startup it will run and inform me of  a person and
> the birthday.
> Best wishes
> Rinaldo.
> guelpa...@telkomsa.net
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bret" <bretj...@juno.com>
> To: <freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 4:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] reminder
>
>
> > "Reminder" program is kind of vague -- I think you'll need to provide a
> > little more detail.  There are programs (like my CLOCK program) that can
> > just beep at you at certain times of the day, and there are actually
> > full-fledged calendar/task management programs, and all kinds of things
> > in-between.  You can even use my SCANCODE program to (indirectly) perform
> > semi-automated tasks at certain times of the day.  Some programs are
> TSR's
> > (that run in the background), others not.
> >
> > What are you actually wanting it to do (how complicated and
> > configurable/flexible do you actually want it to be)?  Is it something
> you
> > can't do some other way, like with a smart phone?
> >
> >
> >
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I have two that I have installed, Broderbund Memory
Mate andBrown Bag Softwares PC-Outline which was included with
WordStar 5.5 Professional.PCO; and if you happen to use BBs
PowerMenu a CTRL-\ will bring it up.https://www.pcorner.com/list/WORDP/PCO334.ZIP/README.1/;>https://www.pcorner.com/list/WORDP/PCO334.ZIP/README.1/On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 3:00 
AM, Rinaldo Guelpa mailto:guelpa...@telkomsa.net; 
target="_blank">guelpa...@telkomsa.net wrote:Hello Bret,
All I want to do , the reminder should remind me of a birthday eiter on the
date or a few days ahead say 5 or 3 days ahead , just have it in my
..autoexec.bat file so on startup it will run and inform me of-a a person
and
the birthday.
Best wishes
Rinaldo.
mailto:guelpa...@telkomsa.net;>guelpa...@telkomsa.net

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To: mailto:freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net;>freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] reminder


 Reminder program is kind of vague -- I think youll need
to provide a
 little more detail.-a There are programs (like my CLOCK program) that
can
 just beep at you at certain times of the day, and there are actually
 full-fledged calendar/task management programs, and all kinds of
things
 in-between.-a You can even use my SCANCODE program to (indirectly)
perform
 semi-automated tasks at certain times of the day.-a Some programs are
TSRs
 (that run in the background), others not.

 What are you actually wanting it to do (how complicated and
 configurable/flexible do you actually want it to be)?-a Is it something
you
 cant do some other way, like with a smart phone?



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Re: [Freedos-user] freedo

[Don Flowers]

From: Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com>

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>are really multiple machines accessing the same files at the same
>time?

umm-yes as a matter of fact one upstairs and one downstairs.



On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Tom Ehlert <t...@drivesnapshot.de> wrote:

>
> > Why not use the CHOICE option  to let the user decide?
>
> because 99,9 % of all user have no need for SHARE.
>
> > I have a
> > menu system which is designed to be used on a network and requires share
> to be loaded
>
> are really multiple machines accessing the same files at the same
> time?
>
> > IMHO this should be used of the FDNET option as well to allow users
> > to copy their specific packet driver to the /FDOS/NETWORK dir to
> > avoid an error msg after initial installation..
>
> Tom
>
> > On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Jerome Shidel <jer...@shidel.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Tom,
>
>  >> what purpose is SHARE supposed to have?
>  >> SHARE is useful when the machine is running as a server, or with
>  >> windows (or any other multitasking OS).
>  >>
>  >> don't install this.
>
> > You are probably correct that it should load it by default.
>
> >  I remrCOd it out for future releases.
>
> >  Jerome
>
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are really multiple machines accessing the same files
at the same
time?umm-yes as a matter of fact one upstairs and one
downstairs.-a
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 9:17
AM, Tom Ehlert mailto:t...@drivesnapshot.de;
target="_blank">t...@drivesnapshot.de wrote:
 Why not use the CHOICE option-a to let the user decide?

because 99,9 % of all user have no need for SHARE.

 I have a
 menu system which is designed to be used on a network and requires share
to be loaded

are really multiple machines accessing the same files at the same
time?

 IMHO this should be used of the FDNET option as well to allow users
 to copy their specific packet driver to the /FDOS/NETWORK dir to
 avoid an error msg after initial installation..

Tom

 On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Jerome Shidel mailto:jer...@shidel.net;>jer...@shidel.net wrote:

 Tom,

-a what purpose is SHARE supposed to have?
-a SHARE is useful when the machine is running as a server, or with
-a windows (or any other multitasking OS).
-a
-a dont install this.

 You are probably correct that it should load it by default.

-a I remrCOd it out for future releases.

-a Jerome

 
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Why not use the CHOICE option  to let the user decide? I have a menu system
which is designed to be used on a network and requires share to be loaded

IMHO this should be used of the FDNET option as well to allow users to copy
their specific packet driver to the /FDOS/NETWORK dir to avoid an error msg
after initial installation..

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Jerome Shidel <jer...@shidel.net> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> > what purpose is SHARE supposed to have?
> > SHARE is useful when the machine is running as a server, or with
> > windows (or any other multitasking OS).
> >
> > don't install this.
>
> You are probably correct that it should load it by default.
>
> I remrCOd it out for future releases.
>
> Jerome
> 
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Why not use the CHOICE option-a to let the user decide? I have a
menu system which is designed to be used on a network and requires share to be
loadedIMHO this should be used of the FDNET option as well to allow
users to copy their specific packet driver to the /FDOS/NETWORK dir to avoid an
error msg after initial installation..On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 6:21
PM, Jerome Shidel mailto:jer...@shidel.net;
target="_blank">jer...@shidel.net wrote:Tom,

 what purpose is SHARE supposed to have?
 SHARE is useful when the machine is running as a server, or with
 windows (or any other multitasking OS).

 dont install this.

You are probably correct that it should load it by default.

I remrCOd it out for future releases.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Multip

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From: Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com>

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I have an ISA NE2000 (CNET 200E) compatible card and an  INTEL PCI E1000
Gigabit card and I run a batch file with choice to install the packet
driver for whichever is th connected NIC card.

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 2:02 AM, Louis Santillan <lpsan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Try using PCINIC [0] from David Dunfield [1] to figure out where the
> second NIC is on the bus.
>
> Here's what VirtualBox does for me when I add a second NIC and run PCINIC
> [2].
>
> [0] http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/dos/pcinic.zip
> [1] http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/dos/index.htm
> [2] http://imgur.com/a/dJqlw
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 6:50 PM, Nicholas Kirchner <kirc0...@umn.edu>
> wrote:
> > I'm playing around with a two network card setup on Virtualbox.  I
> > understand that it might be theoretically possible to have one packet
> > driver for each network card.  From the looks of things, pcntpk by
> > default finds the first network card.  It looks like it should be
> > possible to run, say, `pcntpk int=0x61 ioaddr=???` or some such to get a
> > packet driver running for that card.  Unfortunately, I'm not having a
> > lot of luck on this front; anyone have any pointers?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nick
> >
> > P.S. Apologies if this sent twice; I resent it because it didn't seem to
> > send the first time.
> >
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I have an ISA NE2000 (CNET 200E) compatible card and an-a INTEL
PCI E1000 Gigabit card and I run a batch file with choice to install the packet
driver for whichever is th connected NIC card.On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 2:02
AM, Louis Santillan mailto:lpsan...@gmail.com;
target="_blank">lpsan...@gmail.com wrote:Try using PCINIC [0] from David Dunfield [1] to figure
out where the
second NIC is on the bus.

Heres what VirtualBox does for me when I add a second NIC and run PCINIC
[2].

[0] http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/dos/pcinic.zip;
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/dos/pcinic.zip
[1] http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/dos/index.htm;
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/dos/index.htm
[2] http://imgur.com/a/dJqlw; rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://imgur.com/a/dJqlw

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 6:50 PM, Nicholas Kirchner mailto:kirc0...@umn.edu;>kirc0...@umn.edu wrote:
 Im playing around with a two network card setup on Virtualbox.-a
I
 understand that it might be theoretically possible to have one packet
 driver for each network card.-a From the looks of things, pcntpk by
 default finds the first network card.-a It looks like it should be
 possible to run, say, `pcntpk int=0x61 ioaddr=???` or some such to get
a
 packet driver running for that card.-a Unfortunately, Im not having
a
 lot of luck on this front; anyone have any pointers?

 Thanks,
 Nick

 P.S. Apologies if this sent twice; I resent it because it didnt seem
to
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Re: [Freedos-user] M2WAT

[DON FLOWERS]

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I have a "NET" Startup disk that loads everything (Packet Driver, MTCP.
WATTCP DHCP & PING) then copies them to my permanent "Extras" directory
which I call XDOS. I also have extra driver & utility disks ( sound, etc)
which are configured to do the same. Saves a lot of time whenever I do a
fresh install. Note to self  "Put this on a CDROM!"

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:28 AM, Louis Santillan <lpsan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Made my own dog food:
>
> <https://github.com/lpsantil/m2wat.bat>
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Ulrich Hansen <my.gr...@mailbox.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> What do you think of M2WAT? I use it quite often. It is Open Source,
> written
> >> by cordata, a FreeDOS user, in a post to this list.
> >
> > I vaguely remember when he posted it, but I never had urgent need to use
> it.
> >
> >> WouldnrCOt it be a good candidate for the net section of your repo? I
> know it is a very small
> >> utilityrCa
> >
> > Maybe.
> >
> >> https://github.com/ulrich-hansen/M2WAT
> >
> > Two minor nitpicks:
> >
> > 1). The .COM isn't even UPX'd. Bloat!  ;-)
> > 2). The source is named "W2WAT.C", which is confusing.
> >
> > Otherwise, seems fine. Should these minor issues be fixed first?
> >
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I have a NET Startup disk that loads everything
(Packet Driver, MTCP. WATTCP DHCP  PING) then copies them to my permanent
Extras directory which I call XDOS. I also have extra driver 
utility disks ( sound, etc) which are configured to do the same. Saves a lot of
time whenever I do a fresh install. Note to self-a Put this on a
CDROM! On
Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:28 AM, Louis Santillan mailto:lpsan...@gmail.com;
target="_blank">lpsan...@gmail.com wrote:Made my own dog food:

https://github.com/lpsantil/m2wat.bat; rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">https://github.com/lpsantil/m2wat.bat

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Rugxulo mailto:rugx...@gmail.com;>rugx...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Ulrich Hansen mailto:my.gr...@mailbox.org;>my.gr...@mailbox.org wrote:

 What do you think of M2WAT? I use it quite often. It is Open Source,
written
 by cordata, a FreeDOS user, in a post to this list.

 I vaguely remember when he posted it, but I never had urgent need to use
it.

 WouldnrCOt it be a good candidate for the net section of your repo? I
know it is a very small
 utilityrCa

 Maybe.

 https://github.com/ulrich-hansen/M2WAT; rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">https://github.com/ulrich-hansen/M2WAT

 Two minor nitpicks:

 1). The .COM isnt even UPXd. Bloat!-a ;-)
 2). The source is named W2WAT.C, which is confusing.

 Otherwise, seems fine. Should these minor issues be fixed first?


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Re: [Freedos-user] reminder

[Don Flowers]

I have two that I have installed, Broderbund Memory Mate and
Brown Bag Software's PC-Outline which was included with WordStar 5.5
Professional.
PCO; and if you happen to use BB's PowerMenu a CTRL-\ will bring it up.

https://www.pcorner.com/list/WORDP/PCO334.ZIP/README.1/

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 3:00 AM, Rinaldo Guelpa 
wrote:

> Hello Bret,
> All I want to do , the reminder should remind me of a birthday eiter on the
> date or a few days ahead say 5 or 3 days ahead , just have it in my
> .autoexec.bat file so on startup it will run and inform me of  a person and
> the birthday.
> Best wishes
> Rinaldo.
> guelpa...@telkomsa.net
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bret" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 4:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] reminder
>
>
> > "Reminder" program is kind of vague -- I think you'll need to provide a
> > little more detail.  There are programs (like my CLOCK program) that can
> > just beep at you at certain times of the day, and there are actually
> > full-fledged calendar/task management programs, and all kinds of things
> > in-between.  You can even use my SCANCODE program to (indirectly) perform
> > semi-automated tasks at certain times of the day.  Some programs are
> TSR's
> > (that run in the background), others not.
> >
> > What are you actually wanting it to do (how complicated and
> > configurable/flexible do you actually want it to be)?  Is it something
> you
> > can't do some other way, like with a smart phone?
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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Re: [Freedos-user] freedo

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>are really multiple machines accessing the same files at the same
>time?

umm-yes as a matter of fact one upstairs and one downstairs.



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>
> > Why not use the CHOICE option  to let the user decide?
>
> because 99,9 % of all user have no need for SHARE.
>
> > I have a
> > menu system which is designed to be used on a network and requires share
> to be loaded
>
> are really multiple machines accessing the same files at the same
> time?
>
> > IMHO this should be used of the FDNET option as well to allow users
> > to copy their specific packet driver to the /FDOS/NETWORK dir to
> > avoid an error msg after initial installation..
>
> Tom
>
> > On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Jerome Shidel 
> wrote:
>
> > Tom,
>
>  >> what purpose is SHARE supposed to have?
>  >> SHARE is useful when the machine is running as a server, or with
>  >> windows (or any other multitasking OS).
>  >>
>  >> don't install this.
>
> > You are probably correct that it should load it by default.
>
> >  I rem’d it out for future releases.
>
> >  Jerome
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] freedo

[Don Flowers]

Why not use the CHOICE option  to let the user decide? I have a menu system
which is designed to be used on a network and requires share to be loaded

IMHO this should be used of the FDNET option as well to allow users to copy
their specific packet driver to the /FDOS/NETWORK dir to avoid an error msg
after initial installation..

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Jerome Shidel  wrote:

> Tom,
>
> > what purpose is SHARE supposed to have?
> > SHARE is useful when the machine is running as a server, or with
> > windows (or any other multitasking OS).
> >
> > don't install this.
>
> You are probably correct that it should load it by default.
>
> I rem’d it out for future releases.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Multiple network cards

[Don Flowers]

I have an ISA NE2000 (CNET 200E) compatible card and an  INTEL PCI E1000
Gigabit card and I run a batch file with choice to install the packet
driver for whichever is th connected NIC card.

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 2:02 AM, Louis Santillan  wrote:

> Try using PCINIC [0] from David Dunfield [1] to figure out where the
> second NIC is on the bus.
>
> Here's what VirtualBox does for me when I add a second NIC and run PCINIC
> [2].
>
> [0] http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/dos/pcinic.zip
> [1] http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/dos/index.htm
> [2] http://imgur.com/a/dJqlw
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 6:50 PM, Nicholas Kirchner 
> wrote:
> > I'm playing around with a two network card setup on Virtualbox.  I
> > understand that it might be theoretically possible to have one packet
> > driver for each network card.  From the looks of things, pcntpk by
> > default finds the first network card.  It looks like it should be
> > possible to run, say, `pcntpk int=0x61 ioaddr=???` or some such to get a
> > packet driver running for that card.  Unfortunately, I'm not having a
> > lot of luck on this front; anyone have any pointers?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nick
> >
> > P.S. Apologies if this sent twice; I resent it because it didn't seem to
> > send the first time.
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Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE.SYS

[Don Flowers]

If you are inquiring about the AHCI SATA driver, I have an Acer Aspire and
this is the only driver that gives me Drive Letter Access (DLA) :
http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/swd/public/detail?swItemId=wk_61401_1#tab2

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:53 AM, Eric Auer  wrote:

>
> Hi Ercan,
>
> if I understand you correctly, then the problem is not
> with the harddisk but with CD / DVD / BluRay? Then you
> may want to use the more specific UDVD2 driver instead.
>
> Note that for live CD, you can also often use the tiny
> ELTORITO driver because after booting from CD, you get
> temporary BIOS support for easy CD access.
>
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/ellis/
>
> Newer improved, closed source drivers, on mail request:
>
> http://optimizr.dyndns.org/
>
> I could not find a nice link for ELTORITO.SYS, but check
>
> www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/boot/syslinux/
>
> as that may have useful information...? Original site for
> the driver was http://www.nu2.nu/eltorito/ which is gone.
>
> Regards, Eric
>
> PS: Rugxulo, Jim, please make eltorito.sys easier to find!
>
> > DEVICE=XMGR.SYS
> > DEVICE=UIDE.SYS /D:OP1
> > DEVICE=UIDE.SYS /D:OP2
> >
> > SHSUCDX /~ /D:OP1
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] M2WAT

[Don Flowers]

I have a "NET" Startup disk that loads everything (Packet Driver, MTCP.
WATTCP DHCP & PING) then copies them to my permanent "Extras" directory
which I call XDOS. I also have extra driver & utility disks ( sound, etc)
which are configured to do the same. Saves a lot of time whenever I do a
fresh install. Note to self  "Put this on a CDROM!"

On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:28 AM, Louis Santillan  wrote:

> Made my own dog food:
>
> 
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 7:33 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Ulrich Hansen 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> What do you think of M2WAT? I use it quite often. It is Open Source,
> written
> >> by cordata, a FreeDOS user, in a post to this list.
> >
> > I vaguely remember when he posted it, but I never had urgent need to use
> it.
> >
> >> Wouldn’t it be a good candidate for the net section of your repo? I
> know it is a very small
> >> utility…
> >
> > Maybe.
> >
> >> https://github.com/ulrich-hansen/M2WAT
> >
> > Two minor nitpicks:
> >
> > 1). The .COM isn't even UPX'd. Bloat!  ;-)
> > 2). The source is named "W2WAT.C", which is confusing.
> >
> > Otherwise, seems fine. Should these minor issues be fixed first?
> >
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Re: [Freedos-user] intel PRO/1000 DOS packet driver

[Don Flowers]

Yay! - I have two machines that will be happy!



On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Ulrich Hansen  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I found that the intel DOS packet driver for the PRO/1000 network card
> isn’t in the CRYNWR package.
>
> As it is Open Source since 2007 I felt free to package it into an FDNPKG
> compatible zip-file.
>
> You can find it here:
> https://github.com/ulrich-hansen/E1000PKT
>
> cheers
> Ulrich
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] upper memory trick

[Don Flowers]

Has anyone tried "Installhigh=C:\FDOS\COMMAND.COM"
I have that working for a few apps (including DP and so far no issues, also
am loading CDROM drivers earlier in autoexec.bat and I can cram nealy
everything into upper memory.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:

>
> Hi, here is an interesting suggestion from Jack: In spite of the
> limitation of FreeDOS to support only one UMB provider, it seems
> to be possible to do the following to mix different UMB sources:
>
> > [...] It is NOT necessary to modify your kernel to get more UMBs
> > in the monochrome-video area. A "one provider" solution is: [...]
>
> >   DOS=HIGH,UMB
> >   DEVICE=C:\...\LOWDMA.SYS
> >   DEVICE=C:\...\UMBPCI.SYS
> >   DEVICE=C:\...\HIMEMX.EXE
> >   DEVICE=C:\...\UIDE.SYS ...
> >   DEVICE=C:\...\JEMM386.EXE I=B000-B7FF S=- NOEMS [...]
>
> > LOWDMA, provided with UMBPCI, is needed only if diskettes will
> > be used. UMBPCI will find no XMS manager loaded yet, thus it
> > only enables "Shadow RAM". HIMEMX loads before UIDE, as UIDE
> > needs XMS. UIDE must load before JEMM386 enables "V86" mode,
> > to be safe on new cheap-BIOS mainboards like Martin Rehak has.
> >
> > JEMM386 can then provide the monochrome-video area (B000-B7FF)
> > AND "Shadow RAM" (S= variables) as upper-memory to the kernel.
>
> > S= values must be determined in advance, via programs provided
> > with UMBPCI and JEMM386, as JEMM386 never had an S=TEST. [...]
>
> Thanks for the suggestion! Regards, Eric
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2 - Preview 22 - EDIT CPU load

[Don Flowers]

Here I was afraid to say anything about my CPU heat index!



On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
wrote:

>
> > On Jul 20, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Rugxulo  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 6:01 AM, Eric Auer  wrote:
> >>
> >>> I just downloaded the bootable FD 1.2pre22 CD and booted a VM in
> >>> VirtualBox.  I see `FDAPM APMDOS` in autoexec.bat.  No IDLEHALT in
> >>> FDCONFIG.SYS.  CPU also spikes to 100% when I run `edit autoexec.bat`.
> >>
> >> I remember that this is a problem with certain EDIT versions. Of
> >> course IDLEHALT is nice, but FDAPM APMDOS should be okay as well.
> >>
> >> Here is what for example EDIT 0.7c did in DFLAT's dispatch_message:
> >> ...
> >> Please check the sources or ask Aitor Santamaria and Joe Cosentino.
> >> Maybe your version is missing some patches...
> >
> > According to DFP100S.ZIP's "source/dflatp/message.c":
> >
> > BOOL dispatch_message(void)
> > {
> >WINDOW Mwnd, Kwnd;
> >/*  collect mouse and keyboard events --- */
> >collect_events();
> >
> >/* only message.c can fill the event queue, but all components */
> >/* can fill the message queue. Events come from user or clock. */
> >if ( (EventQueueCtr == 0) && (MsgQueueCtr == 0) &&
> >(handshaking == 0) ) {/* BORED - new 0.7c */
> >union REGS r;
> > #if 0/* int 2f is often quite crowded */
> >r.x.ax = 0x1680;/* release multitasker timeslice */
> >int86(0x2f, , );/* multiplexer call */
> > #else
> >r.h.ah = 0x84;/* "network" idle call */
> >int86(0x2a, , );/* network interfaces */
> > #endif
> > ...
> > }
> >
> > But indeed, even with IDLEHALT, that doesn't seem to work with FD
> > EDIT. Nor does TDE, strangely enough, which uses DJGPP's
> > __dpmi_yield(). Even e3-16 is guilty (no surprise there, it's quite
> > simplistic).
> >
> > I also tried ancient Stevie 3.69a (TurboC?) and newer VILE 9.8
> > (DJGPP), yet surprisingly both seemed to not hog the host cpu at all.
> > Must be a vi thing!  :-P
> >
> > P.S. IDLEHALT works quite well otherwise, esp. when just sitting at
> > the console / shell doing nothing. That's why I mentioned it in the
> > first place, it's better than nothing.
>
> Yeah, EDIT runs at 100% CPU usage for me as well.
>
> I had a user complaint that FDIMPLES “was great” but you could fry an egg
> on their CPU.
> Oops, sorry, Took about 3 seconds to fix. Just forgot to do something.
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> Yay, CPU usage own to 6%.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Which freedos on 486

[Don Flowers]

Your driver is the problem this might be a case for the XCDROM.SYS driver
combined with SHCDX86.COM - A quick way to find out download this file
https://sourceforge.net/projects/xosl-ow/files/xosl-ow116/BootMedia/BootFloppy/
and see if you have clean drive access.


On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 9:02 AM, Dimitris Zilaskos 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the followup. Hitting F8 reveals HIMEMX triggering this
> problem: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2zW1ur6Z_WeSWtGNXN0NmxxaU0
>
> ​​I have observed that the gibberish stops given sufficient time:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2zW1ur6Z_WeVjVMalF6M2YtMTA
>
> Let me know what else I can try - I will recheck the floppies for starters
> in case they went bad and check the rest of your suggestions.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Dimitris
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Dimitris Zilaskos 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have tried it please see the output attached. This is endlessly
>> scrolling after drives are detected.
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2zW1ur6Z_WeY2tOSXpNT2g3NUJWMWx6bFZlSFBjamE3VEFr
>>
>> Unfortunately, that isn’t very helpful.
>>
>> When you boot the floppy, can you press F8 to walk through the startup?
>> What item in the configuration
>> causes it to crash?
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.1 crashing in VirtualBox 5.0.22

[Don Flowers]

I use Novell  Personal Netware for networking with a dedicated server plus
each of 4 other machines acting in SERVER/CLIENT mode

The only drivers that work for this is Ulrich's FreeDOS 1.0 drivers
Himem.exe and "EMM386.EXE NOEMS" (no other switch is necessary). I load DOS
HIGH, UMB.

This gives me between 689 & 717 conventional and 44-46 UMB depending on the
machine. CTMOUSE doesn't like some of my programs so I use a  Logitech
Mouse driver which utilizes high memory on its own. After PNW gets loaded,
I end up with 444-456 conventional with 4k left in UMB plus a reserve EMS
which gets managed by PNW and it own DPMS driver.

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 6:09 AM, Ulrich Hansen  wrote:

> Am 28.06.2016 um 22:55 schrieb Abe Mishler :
>
> >> is pretty unstable, at least for me.
> > It seems like you should be excluding a different region of memory. From
> your screenshot: E300-EDFF.
>
> The packet driver works, but FDAPM is still crashing when I exclude
> E300-EDFF.
>
> >> But the default line didn’t work for you at all. Hmm.
> > Strange, right? And not just on one computer, but three separate ones;
> each running different hardware and software (host OS). Although I would
> expect that the underlying differences are abstracted away by VirtualBox.
>
> I created the VirtualBox „FreeDOS 1.1.net" image in February. Immediately
> five people complained (very politely) about crashes. No boot menu option
> worked that included JEMMEX or JEMM386.
>
> As temporary fix, I replaced JEMMEX with the obsolete HIMEM.EXE and
> EMM386.EXE from FreeDOS 1.0. There has been no complaint since. (The
> "FreeDOS 1.1net" VirtualBox image has been downloaded 815 times in 2016).
>
>
> > Am 29.06.2016 um 00:24 schrieb Eric Auer :
> >
> > To explain the different memory types:
>
> Thank you! Clears things up and refreshes the memory. This should be part
> of the FreeDOS wiki. Reminds me of the time, when I was reading the MS-DOS
> 5.0 manual in 1992. Got my first computer the day before and intended to
> read the manual first. So I sat on a river bench and read about optimizing
> the use of UMBs. :-)
>
> > UMB - provided by EMM386 - lets you load various drivers
> >  high, can also be provided by UMBPCI or other hardware
> >  drivers, can cause stability issues in conflict cases
>
> This is the reason I want some EMM. For DOS networking I need to load
> drivers, especially for MS Client.
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Re: [Freedos-user] a unique directory tree question?

[Don Flowers]

IF there are spaces in any of the files or directories, that could very
well be an issue, especially since you didn't create the original archive.
If that is the case you may have to manually reconstruct the zipfile for
DOS compatibility.

On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 5:48 PM, dmccunney 
wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Karen Lewellen
>  wrote:
>
> > I have a rather Unusual question about directory trees in dos.
> > I have a zip compressed file that contains rather a large number of .txt
> > files.
> > the files  are of stories, and series, with the person who put the
> materials
> >  together using  some major breakdown, for example an item might
> > look like this.
> > d:\stories\abandoned\series\the-end-of-time.txt
> > Now when I ran pkunzip on the archive, the directory tree was created
> > correctly.
> > By which I mean  there is a directory for abandoned, then a sub-directory
> > for series, then the stories underneath.
> > However in allot of cases the actual directory holding the .txt file is
> > different.
> > for the record, I am using word perfect to read the files.
> > My question is this. is there a limit to the number of branches so to
> speak,
> > one can have in a dos directory tree?
>
> I am unaware of one.  There *is* a limit on the number of files you
> can have in the root of a DOS drive, but there's no limit I'm aware of
> on the number of files or directories in directories created off of
> root.
>
> > Frankly I have never seen this problem before.  I do have lfn loaded, so
> do
> > not think it is the names of the files, especially since some of the
> > content is present, and I got no error when I was unzipping the archive.
>
> I don't understand the problem.  What do you mean when you say "actual
> directory holding the .txt file is different."  Different from what?
>
> Are you saying if you look at the archive with PKUNZIP -T, the
> directories listed as components of the archive have different names
> from the ones that are created on disk when you extract the archive?
> Can you provide an example of the name in the archive and the name
> created on disk, or a listing created by PKUNZIP of the archive
> contents?
>
> (And using Word Perfect to read the files is irrelevant to the issue.
> The key is the files *can* be read and are intact.)
>
> > Thoughts?
>
> See above.  Worst case, since the files are intact (and presumably
> extracted under the names they were created with), you could go back
> and rename the extracted directories to correspond to what you believe
> the names ought to be.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Karen
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Re: [Freedos-user] a unique directory tree question?

[Don Flowers]

Which version of pkunzip are you using? And what version of WP? I use
Pkunzip 2.50 and have gone up to 4 directories beyond root with no issues,
but I do stick to 8.3 file names. Do you use a menu program to start WP? Do
you use the WP retrieve file utility to access the file or another method.?

On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Karen Lewellen 
wrote:

> Hi all,
> I have a rather Unusual question about directory trees in dos.
> I have a zip compressed file that contains rather a large number of .txt
> files.
> the files  are of stories, and series, with the person who put the
> materials together using  some major breakdown, for example an item might
> look like this.
> d:\stories\abandoned\series\the-end-of-time.txt
> Now when I ran pkunzip on the archive, the directory tree was created
> correctly.
> By which I mean  there is a directory for abandoned, then a sub-directory
> for series, then the stories underneath.
> However in allot of cases the actual directory holding the .txt file is
> different.
> for the record, I am using word perfect to read the files.
> My question is this.
> is there a limit to the number of branches so to speak, one can have in a
> dos directory tree?
> Frankly I have never seen this problem before.  I do have lfn loaded, so do
> not think it is the names of the files, especially since some of the
> content is present, and I got no error when I was unzipping the archive.
> Thoughts?
> Thanks,
> Karen
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Games

[Don Flowers]

I am running vDOS on Linux Mint 18 through WINE, haven't noticed any
problems yet, but since it is no longer open source ...

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:42 PM, dmccunney <dennis.mccun...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > That would be awesome!
> >
> > It seems that this would be an alternative to vDOS?
> > https://www.vdos.info/
> > https://sourceforge.net/projects/vdos/
>
> Why would you need it?
>
> vDOS is a fork of DOSBox specifically intended to run DOS character
> mode business apps.  It drops the graphics and sound emulation DOSBox
> provides because they aren't needed by the stuff vDOS is designed to
> run.  (vDOS is also not cross-platform, and only works under Windows.)
>
> I run vDOS here under Win10 and it works fine and runs what I've tried
> it with.  (The folks on the WordStar list, joined at the hip to
> WordStar 7, have clutched vDOS to their chests with happy little
> cries.)
>
> It takes a couple of minutes at most to get a DOS app working in vDOS.
> Install vDOS.  Install the DOS app in a directory.  Create a shortcut
> to vDOS that starts it in that directory.  Edit the sample
> AUTOEXEC.TXT and CONFIG.TXT files to do the right things for the app
> you want to run.  Run the shortcut.
>
> It won't work with DOS games (and is not intended to), but that's what
> DOSBox is for.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Games

[Don Flowers]

That would be awesome!

It seems that this would be an alternative to vDOS?
https://www.vdos.info/
https://sourceforge.net/projects/vdos/


On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Jim Hall  wrote:

> Jim Hall wrote:
> >>> I'm building the new website. I'll update the notice to encourage new
> >>> users to install FreeDOS in a virtual machine.
>
> Tom Ehlert wrote:
> >> any reason why we don't provide ready to run virtual machines as .VHD
> >> images?
>
> Jim Hall wrote:
> >> Hmm... I don't know why we haven't. I don't know anything about VHD
> >> though. Is that a standard virtual disk image that any PC
> >> emulator/virtual machine can read? Can free/open source software
> >> virtual machines read these (or create them)?
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Tom Ehlert  wrote:
> >
> > .VHD is a fairly generic virtual *disk* format, and most virtual
> > machines providers should be able to read them.
> >
> > a tiny bit more specialized are the virtual machine configuration
> > files, but we should be able to provide multiple formats, for Virtual
> > Box, DosBox, HyperV, ...
> >
> > still no rocket science, and no risk to damage user data.
>
>
> Thanks for the pointer. I'll see if I can output a VHD from QEMU. If I
> can, I'll post a default install of FreeDOS 1.1 to our ibiblio archive
> and link to it. I'll do the same when 1.2 is out.
>
> Reference:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHD_(file_format)
> "VHD (Virtual Hard Disk) is a file format which represents a virtual
> hard disk drive (HDD). It may contain what is found on a physical HDD,
> such as disk partitions and a file system, which in turn can contain
> files and folders. It is typically used as the hard disk of a virtual
> machine. The format was created by Connectix for their Virtual PC
> product, known as Microsoft Virtual PC since Microsoft acquired
> Connectix in 2003. Since June 2005, Microsoft has made the VHD Image
> Format Specification available to third parties under the Microsoft
> Open Specification Promise."
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Re: [Freedos-user] Games - and DOS installation

[Don Flowers]

There are by its very nature limitations to FreeDOS. Even I (one who
imagines a parallel universe where DOS still matters) have been forced to
reexamine why I should "care"  about this system at all and why I continue
to store floppy disks all over our apartment ; ^0

It is (as Eric said "a complete operating system") Perhaps it is a
"hobbyists" operating system to be tinkered with - I don't know. For some
(depending on the machine on which it is installed) it is buggy,
frustrating and not worth the effort.

For myself, for whatever reason I use FreeDOS in some form or fashion every
day. Long Live FreeDOS

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:56 PM, TJ Edmister 
wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 13:11:12 -0400, dmccunney 
> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 6:39 AM, TJ Edmister 
> > wrote:
> >> Since I boot Win2K/XP from FAT32, I also have the ability to put FD
> >> right
> >> on the C: partition and add it to my BOOT.INI as an option. This needs a
> >> little juggling of boot sectors to accomplish though.
> >
> > I have to ask: why FAT32?
> >
>
> I like FAT32. Anyway, we already had this discussion. Check your email
> archives :)
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Games

[Don Flowers]

Brandon,


>“FreeDOS is a complete operating system. If you choose to install this on
your >computer, you may overwrite the operating system you have now (for
example, >Windows.) If this is not what you intend, please stop now.
Notice the word "may" .

That FreeDOS *may* overwrite the current installed operating system does
not mean that it must exist soley on a given machine. I have 6 currenly
running machines of and not one is currently setup to run FreeDOS
exclusively. Three are running Windows (2xW7 & W10). The W10 system will be
adding a Linux Distro today. Another machine is running FreeDOS & Puppy;
yet another has FreeDOS and Ubuntu 8.04.




On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 5:00 AM, Brandon Taylor 
wrote:

> As much as I hate to concede, I must. I have found a critical passage on
> the FreeDOS website which, in my eyes, discourages further experimentation:
>
>
>
> “FreeDOS is a complete operating system. If you choose to install this on
> your computer, you may overwrite the operating system you have now (for
> example, Windows.) If this is not what you intend, please stop now.”
>
>
>
> It seems, in making FreeDOS, the developers have decided to stay true to
> the original nature of the earliest days of DOS. 640KB was all the memory
> anyone ever needed, DOS liked to be the ONLY operating system on any given
> PC, and multi-booting wasn't even heard of.
>
>
>
> Anyway, Dennis, although plugging a different SourceForge project, is
> essentially correct. DOSBox always played my games without problems, and,
> as the old adage goes, “If it ain't broke, don't fix it.”
>
>
>
> So anyway, thus ends my brief and unsuccessful foray into FreeDOS.
>
>
>
> Now if you'll excuse me, I have a Temptress to kill. 
>
>
>
> Cheerio!
>
>
>
> Brandon Taylor
>
>
>
> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] command / shell conflict

[Don Flowers]

Hi Eric,
I did misunderstand, I get it now.

As far as the Compaq DOS experiement is was on a FAT16 whereas all my
FreeDOSs are in FAT32 (some as large as 100GB).

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 6:50 PM, Eric Auer <e.a...@jpberlin.de> wrote:

>
> Hi Don,
>
> you probably misunderstood me. I said that DOS in general has security
> code in the kernel to make sure that the HMA is activated before parts
> of the kernel which are stored in HMA get used. The security code itself
> is kept outside the HMA... What exactly were you testing with FAT32 and
> Compaq and FreeDOS and which test results and differences did you see or
> expect in that testing now?
>
> Regards, Eric
>
>
> > I just tried this on Compaq DOS 5.0 with Compaq Himem only with no errors
> > and no missing paths. So unless it's a FAT32 problem it must go back to
> > FreeDOS somehow???
>
>
> > On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I'm going to try a couple of things in DOS 5.0 and DOS 6.20, I'll be
> back.
>
>
> >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Eric Auer <e.a...@jpberlin.de> wrote:
> ...
> >>> the problem of using but not reserving memory for the kernel in FreeDOS
> >>> sounds vaguely similar to the problem of HMA usage in DOS in general:
> >>>
> >>> DOS installs trampoline handlers outside HMA which make sure that the
> >>> HMA is actually enabled before DOS calls code there. Maybe a similar
> >>> approach could be used for the unallocated FreeDOS memory?
>
> ...
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] command / shell conflict

[Don Flowers]

I just tried this on Compaq DOS 5.0 with Compaq Himem only with no errors
and no missing paths. So unless it's a FAT32 problem it must go back to
FreeDOS somehow???

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm going to try a couple of things in DOS 5.0 and DOS 6.20, I'll be back.
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Eric Auer <e.a...@jpberlin.de> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Bret,
>>
>> the problem of using but not reserving memory for the kernel in FreeDOS
>> sounds vaguely similar to the problem of HMA usage in DOS in general:
>>
>> DOS installs trampoline handlers outside HMA which make sure that the
>> HMA is actually enabled before DOS calls code there. Maybe a similar
>> approach could be used for the unallocated FreeDOS memory?
>>
>> It could check if the not-reserved temp data is still valid and if not,
>> avoid attempts to use it. Of course it would be better if FreeDOS could
>> behave and use MCB for that temp data in the first place, but I do not
>> know the ins and outs of why it does not or maybe can not do that now.
>>
>> Also, this could be relevant for the way in which FreeCOM misbehaves by
>> using without allocating memory, if I understand the other mails well.
>>
>> It should probably check if the data left in RAM is still valid and if
>> not, reload the (message string) data from disk or from XMS swap RAM?
>>
>> Regards, Eric
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] command / shell conflict

[Don Flowers]

I'm going to try a couple of things in DOS 5.0 and DOS 6.20, I'll be back.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:

>
> Hi Bret,
>
> the problem of using but not reserving memory for the kernel in FreeDOS
> sounds vaguely similar to the problem of HMA usage in DOS in general:
>
> DOS installs trampoline handlers outside HMA which make sure that the
> HMA is actually enabled before DOS calls code there. Maybe a similar
> approach could be used for the unallocated FreeDOS memory?
>
> It could check if the not-reserved temp data is still valid and if not,
> avoid attempts to use it. Of course it would be better if FreeDOS could
> behave and use MCB for that temp data in the first place, but I do not
> know the ins and outs of why it does not or maybe can not do that now.
>
> Also, this could be relevant for the way in which FreeCOM misbehaves by
> using without allocating memory, if I understand the other mails well.
>
> It should probably check if the data left in RAM is still valid and if
> not, reload the (message string) data from disk or from XMS swap RAM?
>
> Regards, Eric
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] command / shell conflict

[Don Flowers]

Tom,
I'll defer to your expertise and consider it so on my end as well; thanks
for taking the time to debug it.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Tom Ehlert <t...@drivesnapshot.de> wrote:

> Don,
>
> in my opinion this is a SHELL bug.
>
> after executing a program (being it command.com or dataperfect), shell
> does some 'cleanup' code.
>
> it simply thinks that all (MZ) memory blocks above SHELL.EXE are leftovers
> from external execution, and calls DOSfree(). if they are leftover
> PSPs, the potential environment at psp:[2c] is also freed.
>
>
>
> now freedos command.com loads it's own environment as high as
> possible; usually at around 9F9F:0.
>
> when SHELL executes an external program, this environment gets freed,
> and soon after trashed.
>
>
> SHELL bug. case closed.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> am 6. Juni 2016 um 12:42 schrieben Sie:
>
> >>So "all my path variables are intact" means there is probably a memory
> >>corruption issue somewhere??
>
> >  Since this happens on every PC (7 total) that is unlikely; and
> > this does not happen with the regular DOSes.
>
> > I am now using a menu (PowerMenu by Brown Bag Software)  with the
> > %WPSHELL%/C command and  our current FreeCOM which is working well.
>
> >>You mean "SET" within FDCONFIG.SYS??
> >
> > I have a MENU selection in FDCONFIG.SYS pointing to an IF
> > "%config%" option in AUTOEXEC.BAT which loads my PowerMenu which
> > takes over from there, this is the "cleanest" way of resolving the issue
> that I have found.
>
> >>But yes, FreeCOM has various bugs and needs to be cleaned up and >fixed
>  >>(eventually), but so far nobody has stepped up to do it.
>
>
> > Yeah, we need to prioritize that for 2.0.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:31 AM, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >  On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 4:34 AM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  >> UPDATE:
>  >> So after three or four loads of shell.exe per session, the strings
> error showed up again (Freecom 0.84)
> >
> >  Even when using "/MSG /P"? So what is the implication, that there's a
> >  memory leak in FreeCOM somewhere? I wouldn't be too surprised.
> >
>  >> and Freecom 0.80 has some issues (2GB max shown on HD, OGN not
> recognized)
> >
> >  Testing an old release for comparison? Why not test 0.82pl3 from SF.net?
> >
> >
> >
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/freedos/files/FreeCOM/082pl3%20%28use%20xmsswap%20for%20386%2B%20PC%29/
> >
> >  But yes, FreeCOM has various bugs and needs to be cleaned up and fixed
> >  (eventually), but so far nobody has stepped up to do it.
> >
>  >> I discovered one other alternative that seems to be working - I set a
>  >> %config% variable (SET WPSHELL=C:\DP23\SHELL.EXE),
> >
> >  You mean "SET" within FDCONFIG.SYS??
> >
>  >> then %WPSHELL% /C;
>  >> following that I execute a batch file with the same command and the
> shell
>  >> loads as it should and on exit all my path variables are intact with no
>  >> strings error messages.
> >
> >  So "all my path variables are intact" means there is probably a memory
> >  corruption issue somewhere??
> >
> >
>  >> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>  >>> >
>  >>> > So /MSG seems to work, more testing needed to be sure, What does
> this
>  >>> > switch
>  >>> > do, (besides help me of course)?
>  >>>
>  >>> http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/command.htm
>  >>>
>  >>> "/MSGStores all error messages in memory (requires /P as
> well)."
> >
> >
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Re: [Freedos-user] command / shell conflict

[Don Flowers]

Eric,
Thank you for the extra information, I knew as soon as I hit send that it
was a bad idea, so I will be more careful from now on.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Eric Auer <e.a...@jpberlin.de> wrote:

>
> Hi Don,
>
> > How do I upload? It seems we still have a 40k limit on our posts.
> > Mine is awaiting moderator approval
>
> That will not happen. Do NOT send files to freedos-user, because
> MANY MANY recipients will get the file while only a few need or
> want the file! Instead, OFFER to send the file: People can then
> say if they want a copy. For example Tom wants a copy. Email him
> (t...@drivesnapshot.de) to ask if he wants it by email or by upload.
>
> Thank you :-) And thank you for finding this reproduceable crash!
>
> Cheers, Eric
>
> > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Here is a disk  image DP23PROG.IMG
> >>
> >> hit enter when it asks for 2 & 3
>
> ...
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] command / shell conflict

[Don Flowers]

How do I upload? It seems we still have a 40k limit on our posts.
Mine is awaiting moderator approval


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is a disk  image DP23PROG.IMG
>
> hit enter when it asks for 2 & 3
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Tom Ehlert <t...@drivesnapshot.de> wrote:
>
>> Don,
>>
>> could you (or anybody else) prepare a virtual disk/floppy where
>> this bug can be reproduced?
>>
>> If so, I'll give it a shot, as this seems to be the first
>> reproducable memory corruption bug in freecom.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> am 6. Juni 2016 um 12:42 schrieben Sie:
>>
>> >>So "all my path variables are intact" means there is probably a memory
>> >>corruption issue somewhere??
>>
>> >  Since this happens on every PC (7 total) that is unlikely; and
>> > this does not happen with the regular DOSes.
>>
>> > I am now using a menu (PowerMenu by Brown Bag Software)  with the
>> > %WPSHELL%/C command and  our current FreeCOM which is working well.
>>
>> >>You mean "SET" within FDCONFIG.SYS??
>> >
>> > I have a MENU selection in FDCONFIG.SYS pointing to an IF
>> > "%config%" option in AUTOEXEC.BAT which loads my PowerMenu which
>> > takes over from there, this is the "cleanest" way of resolving the
>> issue that I have found.
>>
>> >>But yes, FreeCOM has various bugs and needs to be cleaned up and >fixed
>>  >>(eventually), but so far nobody has stepped up to do it.
>>
>>
>> > Yeah, we need to prioritize that for 2.0.
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:31 AM, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> >  On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 4:34 AM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  >> UPDATE:
>>  >> So after three or four loads of shell.exe per session, the strings
>> error showed up again (Freecom 0.84)
>> >
>> >  Even when using "/MSG /P"? So what is the implication, that there's a
>> >  memory leak in FreeCOM somewhere? I wouldn't be too surprised.
>> >
>>  >> and Freecom 0.80 has some issues (2GB max shown on HD, OGN not
>> recognized)
>> >
>> >  Testing an old release for comparison? Why not test 0.82pl3 from
>> SF.net?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/freedos/files/FreeCOM/082pl3%20%28use%20xmsswap%20for%20386%2B%20PC%29/
>> >
>> >  But yes, FreeCOM has various bugs and needs to be cleaned up and fixed
>> >  (eventually), but so far nobody has stepped up to do it.
>> >
>>  >> I discovered one other alternative that seems to be working - I set a
>>  >> %config% variable (SET WPSHELL=C:\DP23\SHELL.EXE),
>> >
>> >  You mean "SET" within FDCONFIG.SYS??
>> >
>>  >> then %WPSHELL% /C;
>>  >> following that I execute a batch file with the same command and the
>> shell
>>  >> loads as it should and on exit all my path variables are intact with
>> no
>>  >> strings error messages.
>> >
>> >  So "all my path variables are intact" means there is probably a memory
>> >  corruption issue somewhere??
>> >
>> >
>>  >> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  >>>
>>  >>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>  >>> >
>>  >>> > So /MSG seems to work, more testing needed to be sure, What does
>> this
>>  >>> > switch
>>  >>> > do, (besides help me of course)?
>>  >>>
>>  >>> http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/command.htm
>>  >>>
>>  >>> "/MSGStores all error messages in memory (requires /P as
>> well)."
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Freedos-user] command / shell conflict

[Don Flowers]

>So "all my path variables are intact" means there is probably a memory
>corruption issue somewhere??

Since this happens on every PC (7 total) that is unlikely; and  this does
not happen with the regular DOSes.

I am now using a menu (PowerMenu by Brown Bag Software)  with the
%WPSHELL%/C command and  our current FreeCOM which is working well.

>You mean "SET" within FDCONFIG.SYS??
I have a MENU selection in FDCONFIG.SYS pointing to an IF "%config%" option
in AUTOEXEC.BAT which loads my PowerMenu which takes over from there, this
is the "cleanest" way of resolving the issue that I have found.

>But yes, FreeCOM has various bugs and needs to be cleaned up and >fixed
>(eventually), but so far nobody has stepped up to do it.

Yeah, we need to prioritize that for 2.0.




On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:31 AM, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 4:34 AM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > UPDATE:
> > So after three or four loads of shell.exe per session, the strings error
> showed up again (Freecom 0.84)
>
> Even when using "/MSG /P"? So what is the implication, that there's a
> memory leak in FreeCOM somewhere? I wouldn't be too surprised.
>
> > and Freecom 0.80 has some issues (2GB max shown on HD, OGN not
> recognized)
>
> Testing an old release for comparison? Why not test 0.82pl3 from SF.net?
>
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/freedos/files/FreeCOM/082pl3%20%28use%20xmsswap%20for%20386%2B%20PC%29/
>
> But yes, FreeCOM has various bugs and needs to be cleaned up and fixed
> (eventually), but so far nobody has stepped up to do it.
>
> > I discovered one other alternative that seems to be working - I set a
> > %config% variable (SET WPSHELL=C:\DP23\SHELL.EXE),
>
> You mean "SET" within FDCONFIG.SYS??
>
> > then %WPSHELL% /C;
> > following that I execute a batch file with the same command and the shell
> > loads as it should and on exit all my path variables are intact with no
> > strings error messages.
>
> So "all my path variables are intact" means there is probably a memory
> corruption issue somewhere??
>
>
> > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > So /MSG seems to work, more testing needed to be sure, What does this
> >> > switch
> >> > do, (besides help me of course)?
> >>
> >> http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/command.htm
> >>
> >> "/MSGStores all error messages in memory (requires /P as well)."
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] command / shell conflict

[Don Flowers]

UPDATE:
So after three or four loads of shell.exe per session, the strings error
showed up again (Freecom 0.84) and Freecom 0.80 has some issues (2GB max
shown on HD, OGN not recognized)

I discovered one other alternative that seems to be working - I set a
%config% variable (SET WPSHELL=C:\DP23\SHELL.EXE), then %WPSHELL% /C;
following that I execute a batch file with the same command and the shell
loads as it should and on exit all my path variables are intact with no
strings error messages.

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > So /MSG seems to work, more testing needed to be sure, What does this
> switch
> > do, (besides help me of course)?
>
> http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/command.htm
>
> "/MSGStores all error messages in memory (requires /P as well)."
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FDI Preview 20

[Don Flowers]

Hey Jerome,
I posted a couple of questions of FB and just thought of another one.
Where is the LINKS.BAT file located? I wanted to change it to reflect the
/progs directory for UPX, P7ZIP, etc.

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> FDI Preview 20 has been released for testing.
>
>
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2-pre20/
>
> or
>
> http://up.lod.bz/FDI
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] command / shell conflict

[Don Flowers]

So /MSG *seems *to work, more testing needed to be sure, What does this
switch do, (besides help me of course)?

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 8:57 AM, dosgeek57  wrote:
> >
> > I am a user of DataPerfect and the WordPerfect shell. The command is
> > shell.exe.
>
> Not familiar with it, unfortunately. But 
>
> > When I load by the shell I get a command.com strings error, my
> > path is wiped out and I have to reboot.
>
> Try putting "/MSG" in your SHELL= line in (FD)CONFIG.SYS. Does that help?
>
> > The shell is necessary to run
> > macros, so not using it is not an option. I tried loadfix and that works
> the
> > first time if Jemmex and jemm386 are not loaded, but hangs on the second
> > try. Any suggestions are welcome.
>
> Yeah, uh, don't use JEMM if you don't have to. Try to stick to HIMEMX.
> But it sounds like that's what you're doing, yet it still won't work?
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] command / shell conflict

[Don Flowers]

I found one fix so far, I found a Freecom .80 from 2000 and copied it to my
DP23 dir, renamed it FREECOM.COM. I set up a config menu with
shellhigh=C:\DP23\FREECOM.COM /E:1024 /P=C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT, then a config
option in AUTOEXEC.BAT to load shell and this works with no apparent
conflicts otherwise.
I would guess that our current version of COMMAND.COM is not happy sharing
the "SHELL" name.

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Tom Ehlert  wrote:

> Hallo Herr dosgeek57,
>
> > I am a user of DataPerfect and the WordPerfect shell. The command is
> > shell.exe. When I load by the shell I get a command.com strings error,
> my
> > path is wiped out and I have to reboot. The shell is necessary to run
> > macros, so not using it is not an option. I tried loadfix and that works
> the
> > first time if Jemmex and jemm386 are not loaded, but hangs on the second
> > try. Any suggestions are welcome.
>
> start by posting (pointers to) the files necessary to reproduce your
> problem:
>
> config.sys, autoexec.bat, shell.exe
>
>
>
>
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://freedos.10956.n7.nabble.com/command-shell-conflict-tp25034.html
> > Sent from the FreeDOS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2 Package LSM Data Verification - UMBPCI

[Don Flowers]

Yes, I see that now, I apologize for the sarcastic tone, I am a bit
frustrated, although I should not be surprised that this licensing phase
should become such a "sticky wicket."

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:

>
> Hi Don,
>
> >> UMBPCI - Listed as free, No sources, Not Included.
> >
> > http://www.uwe-sieber.de/umbpci_e.html
> >   * Conditions and Download*
> > The original version came from the german magazine c't
> > , but there were several problems and no free
> > updates. This version is based upon the source-code
> >  published by c't in 1995
> which
> > supported only intel chipsets up to the 430FX.
>
> The original version is totally ancient and only supports a rather
> small set of older mainboards.
>
> > It's Freeware.
> >
> > Download:
> > http://www.uwe-sieber.de/files/umbpci_e.zip
> >
> > Source code (TASM 3.x) is available on request.
> >
> > No one in the history of FreeDOS ever bothered to request this source
> code?
>
> The problem is that - as far as I remember! - newer versions of UMBPCI
> contain driver code for modern hardware which required the UMBPCI author
> to agree to not make the details of the hardware totally public. So the
> source code is available on request for individual UMBPCI users, not for
> distribution to everybody who downloads our distro or repository. Please
> correct me if I remember wrongly.
>
> Regards, Eric
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Cobalt OS 1.2

[Don Flowers]

This  works best, but requires UMBM.EXE from the last release of UMBPCI and
I don't know what your distro restrictions are
5?DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\UMBM.EXE
5?DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\JEMMEX.EXE X=TEST I=TEST NOVME NOINVLPG FRAME=NONE
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DOSDATA=HIGH
SHELLHIGH=(you get  the idea.)
After everything loads I have 622K + 32MB

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> This one works (not perfectly, but doesn't hang) on my 2 least JEMMEX
> friendly machines,
> DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\JEMMEX.EXE NOEMS X=TEST I=TEST NOVME NOINVLPG
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Corbin Davenport <m...@corbin.cc> wrote:
>
>> > How are you detecting VBox?
>>
>> I'm using a program called RBPCI
>> <https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~ralf/files.html> to scan all devices connected
>> to whatever machine the Cobalt setup is running on. During setup, it uses
>> RBPCI to scan for a device with a DeviceID of "BEEF" - which is the
>> VirtualBox display driver.
>>
>> > What programs break? I'm not denying the possibility, but turning off
>> VT-X makes things much much slower. I honestly wouldn't turn it off for all
>> programs, by default.
>>
>> The biggest culprit I found was Windows 3.x.
>>
>> > File sharing? Good luck! Outside of VMSMOUNT (VMware specific), I'm
>> not aware of any others. Perhaps you can use FTPSRV?
>>
>> Pretty much. I'm hoping something like this guide
>> <http://freedos.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/VirtualBox_-_Chapter_6>
>> will work, and I can configure Cobalt to show the IP address of the server
>> at startup for easily connecting. Also thanks for letting me know about
>> VMSMOUNT, I had no idea that existed!
>>
>> > I would recommend that on  the Boot to command line option, that
>> HIMEMX should replace JEMMEX (two of my computer's are hanging on your
>> JEMMEX config [check our Jerome's command line, it works]), and also bypass
>> blackout and break off so the user can see what is happening. and maybe
>> include DEVLOAD so the CDROM can be loaded after a successful boot to the
>> command line.
>>
>> What JEMMEX config would you think works the best?
>>
>> Corbin <http://corbin.cc/>
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Corbin,
>>> I would recommend that on  the Boot to command line option, that HIMEMX
>>> should replace JEMMEX (two of my computer's are hanging on your JEMMEX
>>> config [check our Jerome's command line, it works]), and also bypass
>>> blackout and break off so the user can see what is happening. and maybe
>>> include DEVLOAD so the CDROM can be loaded after a successful boot to the
>>> command line.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:19 AM, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have not tested it, but 
>>>>
>>>> On May 18, 2016 10:22 PM, "Corbin Davenport" <m...@corbin.cc> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > A few months ago I posted here about my new FreeDOS
>>>> > distribution aimed at beginner DOS users, named Cobalt.
>>>> >
>>>> > - VirtualBox is now fully supported. Right now Cobalt can detect
>>>> > if it is running under VirtualBox, and suggests the user disable
>>>> > the VT-x/AMD-V virtualization feature that breaks a lot of DOS
>>>> > programs. In the future, I'm going to try and extend this to
>>>> > some form of file sharing.
>>>>
>>>> 1). How are you detecting VBox?
>>>>
>>>> 2). What programs break? I'm not denying the possibility, but turning
>>>> off VT-X makes things much much slower. I honestly wouldn't turn it off for
>>>> all programs, by default.
>>>>
>>>> 3). File sharing? Good luck! Outside of VMSMOUNT (VMware specific), I'm
>>>> not aware of any others. Perhaps you can use FTPSRV?
>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who
>>>> bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of
>>>> MDM
>>>> restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the
>>>> apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data
>>>> untouched!
>>>> https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j
>>>>

Re: [Freedos-user] Cobalt OS 1.2

[Don Flowers]

This one works (not perfectly, but doesn't hang) on my 2 least JEMMEX
friendly machines,
DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\JEMMEX.EXE NOEMS X=TEST I=TEST NOVME NOINVLPG

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Corbin Davenport <m...@corbin.cc> wrote:

> > How are you detecting VBox?
>
> I'm using a program called RBPCI <https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~ralf/files.html>
> to scan all devices connected to whatever machine the Cobalt setup is
> running on. During setup, it uses RBPCI to scan for a device with a
> DeviceID of "BEEF" - which is the VirtualBox display driver.
>
> > What programs break? I'm not denying the possibility, but turning off
> VT-X makes things much much slower. I honestly wouldn't turn it off for all
> programs, by default.
>
> The biggest culprit I found was Windows 3.x.
>
> > File sharing? Good luck! Outside of VMSMOUNT (VMware specific), I'm not
> aware of any others. Perhaps you can use FTPSRV?
>
> Pretty much. I'm hoping something like this guide
> <http://freedos.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/VirtualBox_-_Chapter_6>
> will work, and I can configure Cobalt to show the IP address of the server
> at startup for easily connecting. Also thanks for letting me know about
> VMSMOUNT, I had no idea that existed!
>
> > I would recommend that on  the Boot to command line option, that HIMEMX
> should replace JEMMEX (two of my computer's are hanging on your JEMMEX
> config [check our Jerome's command line, it works]), and also bypass
> blackout and break off so the user can see what is happening. and maybe
> include DEVLOAD so the CDROM can be loaded after a successful boot to the
> command line.
>
> What JEMMEX config would you think works the best?
>
> Corbin <http://corbin.cc/>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Corbin,
>> I would recommend that on  the Boot to command line option, that HIMEMX
>> should replace JEMMEX (two of my computer's are hanging on your JEMMEX
>> config [check our Jerome's command line, it works]), and also bypass
>> blackout and break off so the user can see what is happening. and maybe
>> include DEVLOAD so the CDROM can be loaded after a successful boot to the
>> command line.
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:19 AM, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have not tested it, but 
>>>
>>> On May 18, 2016 10:22 PM, "Corbin Davenport" <m...@corbin.cc> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > A few months ago I posted here about my new FreeDOS
>>> > distribution aimed at beginner DOS users, named Cobalt.
>>> >
>>> > - VirtualBox is now fully supported. Right now Cobalt can detect
>>> > if it is running under VirtualBox, and suggests the user disable
>>> > the VT-x/AMD-V virtualization feature that breaks a lot of DOS
>>> > programs. In the future, I'm going to try and extend this to
>>> > some form of file sharing.
>>>
>>> 1). How are you detecting VBox?
>>>
>>> 2). What programs break? I'm not denying the possibility, but turning
>>> off VT-X makes things much much slower. I honestly wouldn't turn it off for
>>> all programs, by default.
>>>
>>> 3). File sharing? Good luck! Outside of VMSMOUNT (VMware specific), I'm
>>> not aware of any others. Perhaps you can use FTPSRV?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who
>>> bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM
>>> restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the
>>> apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data
>>> untouched!
>>> https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j
>>> ___
>>> Freedos-user mailing list
>>> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who
>> bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM
>> restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the
>> apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data
>> untouched!
>> https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j
>> __

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2 Package LSM Data Verification

[Don Flowers]

>UMBPCI - Listed as free, No sources, Not Included.

http://www.uwe-sieber.de/umbpci_e.html
  * Conditions and Download*
The original version came from the german magazine c't
, but there were several problems and no free
updates. This version is based upon the source-code
 published by c't in 1995 which
supported only intel chipsets up to the 430FX.

It's Freeware.

Download:
http://www.uwe-sieber.de/files/umbpci_e.zip

Source code (TASM 3.x) is available on request.


No one in the history of FreeDOS ever bothered to request this source code?

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
wrote:

> Hello Eric and all,
>
> First, I went through the couple old 1.1 packages that were not on the
> update repo. They were buried elsewhere on ibiblio.
>
> So, at present these will be included on big USB but are not currently
> installed under ALL or BASE.
>
> RIPCORD
> DOSUTIL, also updated  to latest version.
> SYSLINUX, 4.x, there is a 6.x version available if someone wants to build
> it, probably should add this to ALL.
> FLASHROM
> FDSHIELD, updated to latest version.
> CALLVER, probably should add this to base.
> SAMCFG
>
> UPX had not gone away, it was it the DEVEL group. I just missed seeing it
> when compiling the list.
>
> And, CURL is now back. It’s sources were located. I also updated it.
> Hopefully, it is not broken.
>
> WATTCP is the only one remaining.
>
> I have spent many many many hours fixing broken and incorrect packages. At
> least for now and the foreseeable future, I think I am done fixing them. I
> will be more than happy to include the remainder once they are fixed.
>
> On May 19, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jerome,
>
> Except for the following packages all other dropped and questionable
> packages are listed at the beginning of this thread. This list of
>
>
> Please cite the beginning-of-this-thread snippet, it is a long thread.
>
> packages shipped with 1.1 and are not presently in 1.2. None of these
> packages are on the ibiblio repo for version 1.1 either.  I have not
> put any work into trying to include these packages as of yet.
>
>
> Do you mean they were part of the 1.1 distro but not of the 1.1 repo?
>
>
> Yes, however some are elsewhere on ibiblio.
>
>
> DOSUTIL, No sources present in package. Might be buried on repos
>
>
> What is the content of that package?
>
> RIPCORD, FreeDOS release related program, Compatibility not tested.
>
>
> Indeed probably specific to the 1.1 distort.
>
>
> For now, included. I will try it out prior to next release.
>
>
> SAMCFG, I don’t know if it is applicable anymore.
>
>
> Sounds like a sample config, which could be useful to include.
> Of course if you find some settings which are no longer valid
> for updated drivers, it would be cool to update those, but I
> would say that the 1.1 sample config should still be valid :-)
>
> SYSLNX There has to be a newer version, not in repo for 1.1.
>
>
> Syslinux? That sounds pretty important.
>
>
> Probably, someone should really update it.
>
>
> WATTCP, No Source files present
>
>
> http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=wattcp says that would
> be the place to be. The wat2001b.zip indeed does have sources.
>
> CALLVER, FLASHR, SHIELD and UPX not in repo for 1.1
>
>
> Maybe you mean FDSHIELD: www.freedos.org/software/?prog=fdshield
> This does include sources.
>
> http://ericauer.cosmodata.virtuaserver.com.br/soft/specials/ has
> a copy of CALLVER 2007-aug19.zip which includes sourcs.
>
> I am not sure what FLASHR is, maybe a tool to update firmware?
>
> For UPX, the version with UPX-UCL library should be used, because
> it has the more free/libre license compared to the UPX NRV default:
> http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=upx-ucl (a very nice tool!)
>
> Almost all of the dropped packages in the top of this thread, never
> shipped with FreeDOS. However, they are on the Repo for v1.1.
>
>
> This probably means that they got added to the distro after 1.1, in
> the hope that they will be included in the FreeDOS 1.2 distro. The
> users were able to install through the repository in the meantime.
>
> FreeDOS 1.1 shipped with 80 packages total, 1.2 ships with 97 the
> slim USB and 232 on the big USB.
>
>
> That is really cool, thanks :-)
>
> By the way, it is good to have full 8.3 file names for packages now,
> the "X" and "S" distinction in the repo makes it hard to find stuff
> which normally has 8 char names but has to squeeze in the "X" suffix.
>
> Regards, Eric
>
>
>
> Well, this was the complete list of packages included with FreeDOS
> 1.1, all 80 of them.
>
>
> Base: Append Assign Attrib Cdrcach(e) Chkdsk Choice Command Comp
> Cpidos Ctmouse Cwsdpmi Debug Defrag Deltree Devload Diskc(o)py
> Display Dosfsck D(i)skcomp Edit Edlin Exe2bin Fasth(e)lp Fc Fdapm
> Fdisk Fdpkg Fdupdat(e) Find Format Fourdos (4dos) F(d)xms286
> Graphic(s) Help Himemx Infozip Install Jemmex 

Re: [Freedos-user] Cobalt OS 1.2

[Don Flowers]

Hi Corbin,
I would recommend that on  the Boot to command line option, that HIMEMX
should replace JEMMEX (two of my computer's are hanging on your JEMMEX
config [check our Jerome's command line, it works]), and also bypass
blackout and break off so the user can see what is happening. and maybe
include DEVLOAD so the CDROM can be loaded after a successful boot to the
command line.

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:19 AM, Rugxulo  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have not tested it, but 
>
> On May 18, 2016 10:22 PM, "Corbin Davenport"  wrote:
> >
> > A few months ago I posted here about my new FreeDOS
> > distribution aimed at beginner DOS users, named Cobalt.
> >
> > - VirtualBox is now fully supported. Right now Cobalt can detect
> > if it is running under VirtualBox, and suggests the user disable
> > the VT-x/AMD-V virtualization feature that breaks a lot of DOS
> > programs. In the future, I'm going to try and extend this to
> > some form of file sharing.
>
> 1). How are you detecting VBox?
>
> 2). What programs break? I'm not denying the possibility, but turning off
> VT-X makes things much much slower. I honestly wouldn't turn it off for all
> programs, by default.
>
> 3). File sharing? Good luck! Outside of VMSMOUNT (VMware specific), I'm
> not aware of any others. Perhaps you can use FTPSRV?
>
>
> --
> Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who
> bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM
> restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the
> apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data
> untouched!
> https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j
> ___
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> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
>
>
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bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM
restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the
apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched!
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2 Package LSM Data Verification

[Don Flowers]

Finally, the problem and path to a solution in a nutshell,
I concur.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 11:50 PM, dmccunney 
> wrote:
> >
> > Going back to cases, what prompted this discussion was Rex Conn's open
> > source license for 4DOS, which indicated his source code couldn't be
> > used in a *commercial* product without contacting him.  There was a
> > question about including it with that restriction. I don't see that as
> > unreasonable, and it's actually standard practice in most cases.
>
> It's an unacceptable restriction to the "open source" (OSI) and "Free
> software" crowd, so they will shun the entire distribution (as they
> already have been, which means less redistribution, less forks, less
> improvements).
>
> Jim Hall is the FreeDOS project head and is heavily in favor of being
> as free/libre as possible. iBiblio and SF.net are both similarly
> minded (among others), so it doesn't make a lot of sense to go against
> the grain.
>
> But the DOS ecosystem (or whatever fractured mess is left) is so lazy,
> stubborn, and ignorant that it seems content to ignore the obvious
> hazards. I'm not really blaming anyone, but this situation is not very
> acceptable. Is it better than nothing? Sure, but so is living in a
> hole in the ground.
>
> We have to do better, if only because we need more developers. If we
> continue to piss them off for no good reason, then we're screwed.
>
> "FreeDOS" does not mean "FreewareDOS". That was never the goal, and
> you can't do much future work with only proprietary blobs.
>
> > The implicit assumption is that a commercial offering will be closed
> > source, and you must contact the author for permission to use it that
> > way.  And I would be flatly astonished if anyone ever *did* contact
> > Rex about using the 16 bit code he released as open source in a
> > commercial product.
>
> Even if you were correct, it's still not compatible with free/libre
> ideals, so any developers or users who adhere to those "four freedoms"
> will completely avoid FreeDOS (and call it "non-free").
>
> > For that matter, I strongly suspect there are license
> > incompatibilities between stuff currently offered with FreeDOS,  in
> > the sense that you may not be able to lift source from one project and
> > use it an another with a different license.
>
> There are rough edges in Linux, OpenBSD, modern x86 hardware, etc.
> There is no perfect system (AFAIK).
>
> Even just idle thinking, trying to make FreeDOS compatible for the
> below list, seems mindbogglingly impossible!
>
> http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-non-gnu-distros.html
>
> Is FreeDOS perfect? No, far from it, but we aren't doing ourselves any
> favors by being lazy and stubborn. We can't keep making excuses. We
> have to change and improve.
>
> > Everything issued as part of a FreeDOS distro should be open source,
>
> The "BASE" should be free/libre (four freedoms), yes, that is Jim's goal.
>
> > offered under licenses that permit providing the source along with the
> > binaries.  Whether any of the sources may be incorporated in a
> > commercial product offered for sale will be governed by the specific
> > license under which the source is offered.  The same will be true for
> > whether any of the sources can be used in other projects offered under
> > a different license.  It should not be a factor in whether its offered
> > in a FreeDOS distribution.
>
> I just can't explain this any more clearly. FreeDOS must be "Free". It
> must do a better job of making clear what exactly is free/libre and
> what is not. I don't want to delete or throw away working software,
> even proprietary, but we need to heavily emphasize the free/libre
> stuff and deprecate anything that prevents us from widely
> redistributing. I'm not saying throw away 4DOS, but if it causes other
> people to shun the entire project then we need to rethink our goals.
> The less obstacles the better!
>
>
> --
> Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who
> bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM
> restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the
> apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data
> untouched!
> https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j
> ___
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restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the
apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal 

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2 Package LSM Data Verification

[Don Flowers]

>Just as a general statement regarding “Dropped” packages. It doesn’t >mean
>they cannot be used or installed later. It also doesn’t mean they cannot be
provided on ibiblio.

I am a bit confused by this, it seems to be an "end-around" solution; has
this been happening all along?

>PS: Why so many IBIBLIO files, how about Mateusz' updater repository?
Perhaps this is the ideal solution, trim FreeDOS to a genuine FREE/Open
Source distro, and let end-users include the files they wish from alternate
sites?





On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> PS - I apologize for the mistypes, I am on my first cup of coffee :^)
>
>
> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > XCDROM - Removed.
>> UIDE is NOT 100% compatible to XCDROM, I just built a retro PIII Intel
>> SE440BX-2 (a very popular MB according to the VOGONS site) which for some
>> reason only reads CDs/DVDs with the XCDROM driver no matter what drive I
>> install.
>>
>> > Honestly, this kind of task belongs to the maintainers of those
>> > aforementioned packages, but
>> > since most so-called maintainers are too busy (or long since
>> > disappeared), it falls to such
>> > pathetic souls such as myself. (Sigh.) :-(
>> Your work is not unappreciatated, I am just wondering why this task
>> wasn't delegated by Jim BEFORE Jerome's AWESOME installlation efforts were
>> employed.
>>
>> MPXPLAY works on several of my PC's, PAKUPAKU is a PACMAN derivative and
>> is one of my favorite games.
>>
>> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. <jer...@shidel.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > On May 15, 2016, at 1:26 AM, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I assume that your .ZIPs of CuteMouse
>>> > (ctmouse.zip) and Jemm386 (jemm.zip) come from here:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/repos/base/
>>>
>>> Yep, nearly all others are from ibiblio as well.
>>>
>>> There are some, that I have updated and a few like CDRCACHE that are not
>>> on ibiblio.
>>>
>>> Also, several on ibiblio that were missing sources and a few others that
>>> LSM data problems that I corrected as well.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > If that's the case, then I will (weakly) "try" to fix them in the next
>>> > few days, and then re-upload them
>>> > so that FD 1.2 will have a slightly less burdensome status. (Which
>>> > means trying to rebuild all their various (sub)binaries, which
>>> > shouldn't be "too" hard.)
>>>
>>> Sounds good to me. :-)
>>>
>>> > Honestly, this kind of task belongs to the maintainers of those
>>> > aforementioned packages, but
>>> > since most so-called maintainers are too busy (or long since
>>> > disappeared), it falls to such
>>> > pathetic souls such as myself. (Sigh.) :-(
>>>
>>> Agreed. When, I see the “can’t you fix” this package or that one. Or,
>>> the "but there is a newer version of this one on the website why aren’t you
>>> using it?” I shake my head and sigh.
>>>
>>> > I just hate to drop some things that are, in fact, useful and "mostly"
>>> > free just because of some errant file or two. Jemm386 I never use much
>>> > anymore (although it's still very useful, in select cases; but JLOAD
>>> > never caught on, quite honestly). CuteMouse might be a much bigger
>>> > loss (although I personally try to avoid the mouse, usually, which
>>> > isn't easy in some programs).
>>> >
>>> > Neither should have to be dropped, so I'm 99% sure that I can remove
>>> > the closed-source parts successfully. I know this isn't a "real"
>>> > problem, thus we keep procrastinating, but we do overall want to keep
>>> > FreeDOS "free" (or as close as possible!).
>>>
>>> Just as a general statement regarding “Dropped” packages. It doesn’t mean
>>> they cannot be used or installed later. It also doesn’t mean they cannot
>>> be
>>> provided on ibiblio. It only means, (if not fixed) they will not ship
>>> with the
>>> official release of FreeDOS 1.2.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mobile security can be enabling, not merely

Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2 Package LSM Data Verification

[Don Flowers]

PS - I apologize for the mistypes, I am on my first cup of coffee :^)


On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > XCDROM - Removed.
> UIDE is NOT 100% compatible to XCDROM, I just built a retro PIII Intel
> SE440BX-2 (a very popular MB according to the VOGONS site) which for some
> reason only reads CDs/DVDs with the XCDROM driver no matter what drive I
> install.
>
> > Honestly, this kind of task belongs to the maintainers of those
> > aforementioned packages, but
> > since most so-called maintainers are too busy (or long since
> > disappeared), it falls to such
> > pathetic souls such as myself. (Sigh.) :-(
> Your work is not unappreciatated, I am just wondering why this task wasn't
> delegated by Jim BEFORE Jerome's AWESOME installlation efforts were
> employed.
>
> MPXPLAY works on several of my PC's, PAKUPAKU is a PACMAN derivative and
> is one of my favorite games.
>
> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. <jer...@shidel.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> > On May 15, 2016, at 1:26 AM, Rugxulo <rugx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I assume that your .ZIPs of CuteMouse
>> > (ctmouse.zip) and Jemm386 (jemm.zip) come from here:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/repos/base/
>>
>> Yep, nearly all others are from ibiblio as well.
>>
>> There are some, that I have updated and a few like CDRCACHE that are not
>> on ibiblio.
>>
>> Also, several on ibiblio that were missing sources and a few others that
>> LSM data problems that I corrected as well.
>>
>> >
>> > If that's the case, then I will (weakly) "try" to fix them in the next
>> > few days, and then re-upload them
>> > so that FD 1.2 will have a slightly less burdensome status. (Which
>> > means trying to rebuild all their various (sub)binaries, which
>> > shouldn't be "too" hard.)
>>
>> Sounds good to me. :-)
>>
>> > Honestly, this kind of task belongs to the maintainers of those
>> > aforementioned packages, but
>> > since most so-called maintainers are too busy (or long since
>> > disappeared), it falls to such
>> > pathetic souls such as myself. (Sigh.) :-(
>>
>> Agreed. When, I see the “can’t you fix” this package or that one. Or, the
>> "but there is a newer version of this one on the website why aren’t you
>> using it?” I shake my head and sigh.
>>
>> > I just hate to drop some things that are, in fact, useful and "mostly"
>> > free just because of some errant file or two. Jemm386 I never use much
>> > anymore (although it's still very useful, in select cases; but JLOAD
>> > never caught on, quite honestly). CuteMouse might be a much bigger
>> > loss (although I personally try to avoid the mouse, usually, which
>> > isn't easy in some programs).
>> >
>> > Neither should have to be dropped, so I'm 99% sure that I can remove
>> > the closed-source parts successfully. I know this isn't a "real"
>> > problem, thus we keep procrastinating, but we do overall want to keep
>> > FreeDOS "free" (or as close as possible!).
>>
>> Just as a general statement regarding “Dropped” packages. It doesn’t mean
>> they cannot be used or installed later. It also doesn’t mean they cannot
>> be
>> provided on ibiblio. It only means, (if not fixed) they will not ship
>> with the
>> official release of FreeDOS 1.2.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who
>> bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM
>> restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the
>> apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data
>> untouched!
>> https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j
>> ___
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>> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
>>
>
>
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restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2 Package LSM Data Verification

[Don Flowers]

> XCDROM - Removed.
UIDE is NOT 100% compatible to XCDROM, I just built a retro PIII Intel
SE440BX-2 (a very popular MB according to the VOGONS site) which for some
reason only reads CDs/DVDs with the XCDROM driver no matter what drive I
install.

> Honestly, this kind of task belongs to the maintainers of those
> aforementioned packages, but
> since most so-called maintainers are too busy (or long since
> disappeared), it falls to such
> pathetic souls such as myself. (Sigh.) :-(
Your work is not unappreciatated, I am just wondering why this task wasn't
delegated by Jim BEFORE Jerome's AWESOME installlation efforts were
employed.

MPXPLAY works on several of my PC's, PAKUPAKU is a PACMAN derivative and is
one of my favorite games.

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
wrote:

>
> > On May 15, 2016, at 1:26 AM, Rugxulo  wrote:
> >
> > I assume that your .ZIPs of CuteMouse
> > (ctmouse.zip) and Jemm386 (jemm.zip) come from here:
> >
> >
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/repos/base/
>
> Yep, nearly all others are from ibiblio as well.
>
> There are some, that I have updated and a few like CDRCACHE that are not
> on ibiblio.
>
> Also, several on ibiblio that were missing sources and a few others that
> LSM data problems that I corrected as well.
>
> >
> > If that's the case, then I will (weakly) "try" to fix them in the next
> > few days, and then re-upload them
> > so that FD 1.2 will have a slightly less burdensome status. (Which
> > means trying to rebuild all their various (sub)binaries, which
> > shouldn't be "too" hard.)
>
> Sounds good to me. :-)
>
> > Honestly, this kind of task belongs to the maintainers of those
> > aforementioned packages, but
> > since most so-called maintainers are too busy (or long since
> > disappeared), it falls to such
> > pathetic souls such as myself. (Sigh.) :-(
>
> Agreed. When, I see the “can’t you fix” this package or that one. Or, the
> "but there is a newer version of this one on the website why aren’t you
> using it?” I shake my head and sigh.
>
> > I just hate to drop some things that are, in fact, useful and "mostly"
> > free just because of some errant file or two. Jemm386 I never use much
> > anymore (although it's still very useful, in select cases; but JLOAD
> > never caught on, quite honestly). CuteMouse might be a much bigger
> > loss (although I personally try to avoid the mouse, usually, which
> > isn't easy in some programs).
> >
> > Neither should have to be dropped, so I'm 99% sure that I can remove
> > the closed-source parts successfully. I know this isn't a "real"
> > problem, thus we keep procrastinating, but we do overall want to keep
> > FreeDOS "free" (or as close as possible!).
>
> Just as a general statement regarding “Dropped” packages. It doesn’t mean
> they cannot be used or installed later. It also doesn’t mean they cannot be
> provided on ibiblio. It only means, (if not fixed) they will not ship with
> the
> official release of FreeDOS 1.2.
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] PNP ISA network card locks during early boot with P S/2 mouse connected

[Don Flowers]

Does you bios setup have an option to allocate irq or memory for ISA?

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> If your motherboard has USB built into it, it could be related to that.
> The way Legacy USB Support works for mice and keyboards is that it puts the
> CPU into temporarily System Management Mode (SMM) and virtualizes the PS2
> I/O ports through the PCI bus.  Legacy USB Support is actually a very ugly
> kludge.
>
> Older motherboards wouldn't let you mix PS2 and USB at the same time, so
> you usually have to disable Legacy USB Support if you want to use PS2
> devices.  If your MB doesn't have USB support, this can't be the problem.
> I'm also not sure why the network card has anything to do with it, but if
> the BIOS is screwed up for USB there's no telling what else is wrong with
> it.
>
> Maybe a trail to investigate, anyway.
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2 needs you

[Don Flowers]

Thanks Jerome, that they were still in the REPO is what threw me off. I
have already eliminated them from all my configurations.


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wrote:

>
> > What did we decide about XMGR?
>
> XMGR along with UIDE and several other packages have been dropped from
> FreeDOS 1.2.
>
> This was not my decision. But, I completely agree with the reasoning
> behind their removal.
>
> These are still available on the ibiblio repository. So, if you really
> need them in your version of FreeDOS 1.2. You can easily add them to your
> copy of one of the USB sticks. Then, running “fdimples /config” from the
> USB stick, you can even always have them install.
>
> Thanks, Jerome
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2 - Preview 17

[Don Flowers]

>Other than Package and Package Data updates, no further updates are
>planned for FDI before FreeDOS 1.2 Final.

No KERNEL update?

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I have just released Preview 17, http://up.lod.bz/FDI
>
> This release contains:
>
> * Minor package and data updates.
> * Some internal improvements.
> * Some VirtualBox compatibility updates.
> * USB versions include FDIDEV.BAT to aid in
>   replicating the FDI Build Environment.
>
> Other than Package and Package Data updates, no further updates are
> planned for FDI before FreeDOS 1.2 Final.
>
> Thanks, Jerome
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2 needs you

[Don Flowers]

What did we decide about XMGR?

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 8:59 PM, Jerome Shidel  wrote:

>
> > So you just want us to weed out the license-incompatible ones??
>
> That is only part of what is needed.
> Some packages have wrong or old license information. For example, some
> have switched from GPL to BSD. Others, are listed as GPL, but are actually
> GPLv2. And so on.
>
> >> base\ctmouse
> >
> > Needs (easy) workaround for closed-source COM2EXE build utility. (I
> > just made a debug script to create the specific .EXE header.)
> >
> >> base\jemm
> >
> > Need to remove JLOAD.EXE and *.JLM.
>
>
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[Freedos-user] UMB & UMBPCI

[Don Flowers]

There is a newer version of UMBPCI available which works with many of the
2012-2015 PCs (including my Acer  E5-571), This provides an alternative UMB
configuration for those PCs which cannot handle the EMS drivers.

http://www.uwe-sieber.de/umbpci_e.html
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Re: [Freedos-user] Something to look forward to when Preview 17 is released.

[Don Flowers]

I specified the specific files, but IIRC you can do a generic attrib /s -r
-s -h and take care of everything.
As for grub(4dos), I use the one that is available in the ibiblio.org
freedos 1.0 package repo
https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/pkgs/

Install Grub to drive 128

and for syslinux I use what is available thru whichever system I am using,
if on Windows 7-10, I use rmprepusb. If on Linux I download every available
syslinux and customize from there.

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 7:04 AM, Thomas Mueller <mueller6...@twc.com> wrote:

> from Don Flowers:
>
> > I use a custom kernel and found that on the USB image the system files
> are
> > hidden and read only. I used ATTRIB -R -S -H and then SYS with no
> problem.
>
> I thought SYS knew the system files were hidden and read-only, as was also
> true with MS-DOS.
>
> Do I just run ATTRIB -R -S -H
> or do I need to specify which files as arguments to ATTRIB?
>
> I have a USB-stick installation of FreeDOS 1.1 where Syslinux boots
> FreeDOS, but many of the files in that package are out of sync, so I can't
> use this Syslinux to boot other things.
>
> Maybe I could if I overwrote these files with a newer Syslinux built on
> Linux or FreeBSD, but now it makes more sense to wait for FreeDOS 1.2 or
> use a preview.
>
> For Syslinux, I could also possibly install a Linux toolchain on a USB
> stick and use extlinux.
>
> I see System Rescue CD still uses syslinux-4.07
>
> http://www.system-rescue-cd.org/Detailed-packages-list
>
> Tom
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Re: [Freedos-user] Something to look forward to when Preview 17 is released.

[Don Flowers]

I use a custom kernel and found that on the USB image the system files are
hidden and read only. I used ATTRIB -R -S -H and then SYS with no problem.


On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 2:12 AM, Thomas Mueller  wrote:

> > Well, FDI Preview 17 is not out yet. But, I though I would tell you
> about a new feature for the Power Users. The USB stick versions will
> contain a command line utility to recreate the entire FDI Build
> environment. So, all you
> > FreeDOS hackers out there can build your own personal completely
> customized installer.
>
> > From download to a built release, the whole process takes under 10
> minutes. I put a Mac+VirtualBox demo video up on Youtube at
> https://youtu.be/rKAq7HEQ1oE  This feature
> is not available with the
> > current public Preview 16 release. But, it will give you something cool
> to look forward to in Preview 17.
>
> > A text version is available on the FDI wiki at
> https://github.com/shidel/FDI/wiki 
>
> > The FDI Build environment creation utility and the mkFDI release build
> utility are both V8Power Tools enhanced batch files running under FreeDOS
> 1.2-pre. The actual build process is a very complex batch file and is kind
> cool to
> > watch. If you just want to check out that, jump in a bit and just watch
> it from here mark https://youtu.be/rKAq7HEQ1oE?t=6m45s <
> https://youtu.be/rKAq7HEQ1oE?t=6m45s>
>
> > Thanks, Jerome
>
> Now I wonder if FDI will run in DOSBox running under FreeBSD, NetBSD or
> Linux.  Or maybe boot from GRUB2 or grub4dos.  I would install to USB
> stick, probably 4 GB; would likely use factory partitioning, would have to
> check cluster size so as not to be > 4 KB, might have to reformat from
> NetBSD or FreeBSD.  Possibly install to hard-disk/USB-stick image and then
> dd or rsync to USB stick?
>
> It would be helpful if you could say how to boot FreeDOS using GRUB2,
> grub4dos or Syslinux; then I might be able to run SYS to make a nonbootable
> USB stick bootable.  Or would the boot be via Syslinux?
>
> But when I ran SYS on USB-stick installation of FreeDOS 1.1, the file
> system was rendered nonreadable; I had to start over beginning with
> newfs_msdos from FreeBSD.
>
> Tom
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Re: [Freedos-user] FDI Preview 16

[Don Flowers]

Thanks Jerome,
Will be testing this weekend with feedback on Monday.

I just have to add this today about PGME - I have several vintage Menu
systems, but what you have done here is really an awesome addition to
FreeDOS - thank you for your contribution to the FreeDOS project.



On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> FreeDOS 1.2 - FDI Preview 16 is now available for download at
> http://up.lod.bz/FDI
>
> It now includes a Boot Floppy, 32mb Slim USB, 512mb USB and 400mb+
> Bootable CD.
>
> Booting the CD is not supported under VirtualBox.
> It requires booting the install floppy and just using the CD.
> Or, booting and using one of the USB images.
>
> This is pretty much you final chance to provide input on what packages are
> included with FreeDOS 1.2. The BASE and ALL package installation sets
> have been mostly finalized. However, there may be a little flexibility
> remaining
> in the EXTRA (included, but uninstalled) on big USB and CD images.
>
> Thanks, Jerome
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2 - Preview 16

[Don Flowers]

I use DD most of the time, but occasionally turn to SYSLINUX.
It is quite easy to set up and provides the "space" environment

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Louis Santillan  wrote:

> That would have been my argument.  The default imaging/image writing
> tools do not automagically expand the filesystem.  But, if you include
> a tool that could do off-line or on-line FAT expansion with freespace
> detection, that would be a killer feature.
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
> wrote:
> > Hello Jim,
> >
> > Oops, I forgot to answer this part.
> >
> >> For putting the image on a USB fob drive, wouldn't you use Live USB
> >> Creator or some similar tool anyway, so the 2GB thing doesn't matter?
> >> Live USB Creator allows you to set aside extra space on the target fob
> >> drive as writable space. 
> >
> > I think most of us Mac and Linux users would just use dd.
> >
> > I’ve never tried that Live USB  Creator. Does it automatically expand
> > the filesystem to fit the drive?
> >
> > Jerome
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2 - Preview 16

[Don Flowers]

I have 6 32MB (that's Megabyte) that I got for $2 a piece. Now they are
going for as high as $10 a piece. Most of my non dedicated drives are 4gb
and up.

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 12:23 PM, dmccunney 
wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Jerome Shidel  wrote:
> > Personally, I think the CONs of forcing a larger Media requirement
> outweigh the bonus of the free space.
>
> You can still *find* something like a 512MB USB stick?  The smallest I
> have is 1GB.  The smallest I see for sale is 4GB, for a whopping $3.50
> at my local retailer.  8GB is $4..  I don't see the larger media
> requirement as an imposition.
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2 - Preview 16

[Don Flowers]

I am using a 1Gb drive for the 512 image (losing 512) and you know how
scarce the 1Gb drives are. I would much rather use one of many  2Gb drives
with no wasted space.

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> One vote for 2gb.
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. <jer...@shidel.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> At present there are two USB of FDI, 32MB and 512MB.
>>
>> Who would like the 512MB version expanded to 2GB in Preview 16?
>>
>> This would not effect the download size or installed software.
>>
>> However, it would require a 2GB USB drive instead of only 512MB.
>>
>> The only benefit I see in doing this would be to allow the user
>> to stick a whole lot of other stuff on their USB stick.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks, Jerome
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2 - Preview 16

[Don Flowers]

One vote for 2gb.

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> At present there are two USB of FDI, 32MB and 512MB.
>
> Who would like the 512MB version expanded to 2GB in Preview 16?
>
> This would not effect the download size or installed software.
>
> However, it would require a 2GB USB drive instead of only 512MB.
>
> The only benefit I see in doing this would be to allow the user
> to stick a whole lot of other stuff on their USB stick.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks, Jerome
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Printing in FreeDOS

[Don Flowers]

I set up my printer yesterday - my retro system is upstairs in my "mancave "
This morning I booted my downstairs HP Elite 8000 from a flash drive setup
with a menu of 3 different network configurations (the HP, my Acer laptop,
and a Compaq DC5700.).

I pulled up my CONFIG.SYS in the FreeDOS Editor and hit PRINT, and my Epson
cranked out the file speedily. I then started up WordPerfect Office,
started a document and save to a file; and then printed the file.
Very cool.

I am happy to report that FreeDOS and Personal Netware play together very
well.


On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Eric - that should relieve my anxiety.
>
> >That is a lot of DOS? Why several computers?
>
> I just scored a NOS  WordPerfect Office 3.01 and am going to test it in a
> network environment.
>
> I have had this DOS disorder since the 80s and have always
> wanted to network DOS. I worked at Holiday Inn in the (1985-1988) and we
> had this awesome network and Hotel Management Software.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Eric Auer <e.a...@jpberlin.de> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Dosgeek,
>>
>> > Just a quick poll to see how many users are actually running
>> > a printer in FreeDOS.
>>
>> > What kind of printer are you using?
>> > Dot Matrix
>> > Ink Jet
>> > Laser
>> > Other
>>
>> > I have an Epson NOS LQ-2070 Dot Matrix (Parallel interface) on the way
>> and
>> > am anxious about the setup and the end result. I have 4 PCs running
>> FreeDOS
>> > 2 of those are FreeDOS only machines; 1 of which will be a dedicated
>> server.
>>
>> That is a lot of DOS? Why several computers?
>>
>> According to the manual of your printer:
>>
>> https://files.support.epson.com/pdf/lq2070/lq2070u1.pdf
>>
>> This 24 pin printer supports IBM and ESC/P2 commands and a number of DOS
>> codepages such as 437, 850, 860 and related. The first two should match
>> your most common BIOS and mode/display VGA fonts for USA and Europe :-)
>>
>> I would suggest to use ESC/P2 configuration of your printer, because DOS
>> text related software may already know the escape codes for things such
>> as bold or italic printing. That makes it a bit easier for you to have a
>> bit of layout. Also, ESC/P2 is supported by our GRAPHICS TSR driver for
>> the graphical screenshot hotkey :-)
>>
>> Finally, you will probably not need a print spooler TSR, but you should
>> make selections for buffer size and buffer waiting time in your printer
>> configuration (using buttons on the printer) according to your taste.
>>
>> Cheers, Eric
>>
>> PS: GRAPHICS also supports simple PostScript and HP PCL screenshots, but
>> you should avoid old dumb GDI laser and ink jet printers, as those would
>> require smart Windows or Linux drivers. I think most modern printers are
>> smart enough to understand PostScript, ESC/P2 or HP PCL anyway?
>>
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FDI Preview 15, Update 3

[Don Flowers]

Point taken ; ^ 0


On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Jim Hall <jh...@freedos.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 7:45 PM, Jim Hall <jh...@freedos.org> wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to remove the patterned background, and just use a plain
>> blue background instead? I think this would look better.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Personally, I prefer the patterned background - some of my more expensive
>> DOS programs employ this design in one form or another.
>>
>
>
> Using a plain blue background would match with the plain blue background
> used in the format output. I don't mind the patterned background - I'm just
> trying to make everything look the same so users get a consistent interface
> throughout.
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Re: [Freedos-user] FDI Preview 15, Update 3

[Don Flowers]

>Is it possible to remove the patterned background, and just use a plain
>blue background instead? I think this would look better.
Personally, I prefer the patterned background - some of my more expensive
DOS programs employ this design in one form or another.

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 7:45 PM, Jim Hall  wrote:

> [...]
>> I'll follow up with a separate email with edits/fixes for the install
>> process.
>>
>
>
>
> Putting on my "technical editor" hat, I'm suggesting these fixes and edits
> for 1.2-pre16. I know these may seem like trivial edits, but I think they
> make the installer more professional.
>
>
> 1. Lists should be introduced either with a question or a colon. I prefer
> a question. I've included these edits below.
>
> 2. List entries should either have a period at the end of each option, or
> it should not. For the installer, I prefer no period. I've included these
> edits below. You already use sentence case, which is good.
>
> 3. I prefer that the word "FreeDOS" not be written in red. In many
> cultures, red is a warning color. Please use blue or bright white instead
> of red for the word "FreeDOS" and the "1.2-pre15" label.
>
> 4. Similarly, let's avoid red for other text, if they aren't error
> messages. The drive letter and package currently being installed both
> appear in red. For consistency with the colors used in the quickformat
> output, let's use cyan or bright white for this text.
>
> 5. The title bar should say "FreeDOS 1.2-pre15 Install" (not "…Installer")
>
> 6. When prompting for the language, instead of this:
>
> Please select you language.
>
>
> ..the installer should ask:
>
> What is your preferred language?
>
>
>
> 7. When asking if the user really wants to proceed, please remove the
> periods at the end of each option.
>
> 8. When asking to partition the target drive, please remove the periods at
> the end of each option. Also, there's a typo in the "Yes" option. It should
> read:
>
> Yes - Partition drive C:
>
>
>
> 9. When prompting to reboot the computer after running FDISK, please
> remove the periods at the end of each option.
>
> 10. When prompting to format the hard drive, please remove the periods at
> the end of each option.
>
> 11. When asking what packages to install, please remove the periods at the
> end of each option.
>
> 12. At the prompt before starting the install process, please remove the
> periods at the end of each option.
>
> 13. When prompting to reboot the computer after the installation, please
> remove the periods at the end of each option.
>
> 14. The installer asks "do you wish" in some places and "do you want" in
> other places. Let's use "do you want" throughout, for consistency. (For
> example, "Do you want to format your drive?")
>
>
> Also:
> Is it possible to remove the patterned background, and just use a plain
> blue background instead? I think this would look better.
>
>
> Jim
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FDI Preview 15, update 2

[Don Flowers]

I just tried an install with FDI-SLiM.img from my GRUB2 boot menu and it
was super fast. I forgot to go to the advanced menu (maybe the final should
have the options following the language menu?); so my GRUB got wiped but
SUPER GRUB DISC fixed that pronto.
Very cool to do it this way.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 5:38 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> On Apr 5, 2016, at 12:58 PM, Louis Santillan  wrote:
>
> QEMU supports VNC like VirtualBox and VMware.
>
> http://wiki.qemu.org/download/qemu-doc.html#sec_005finvocation
>
>
> Thanks, I though of trying that and I will do so. However, I know it has
> got to be
> very slow. Also, It may not exhibit the same issue under double
> virtualization.
>
> Anyhow, this is how I have decided to resolve the issue.
>
> I will add some simple and easily understood CPU level testing to the
> vinfo /M.
> This was the idea anyway when I added the DOSBox test. It return
> errorlevel 101
> when running under DOSBox. I had plans to add 1=80186, 2=80286, 3=80306,
> 4=80486 and maybe 586 & 686. So once added, it should return 3 for QEMU
> i386.
> Since that would be extremely rare piece of real hardware, it would be
> acceptable
> for FDI to see a 386 and just skip some of the automatic importing and
> configuration
> things it does during the setup. This would leave the user of a QEMU VM
> and any
> real 386 to manually format and configure partitions on a blank drive.
> But, they
> should be used to doing it.
>
> Now, I just have to find a few minutes to add it to vinfo in the V8Power
> Tools and
> FDI.
>
> Thanks, Jerome.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FDI Preview 15, update 2

[Don Flowers]

What QEMU version are you using?
2.5.0 for me (I'm on Xubuntu 16.04).

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
wrote:

>
> > On Apr 4, 2016, at 6:13 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 12:28 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have tested under QEMU on Linux and have detected the issue and its
> cause.
> >>
> >> It appears to be that SHSURDRV is locking up the system in DOSBox and
> QEMU.
> >> It does not seem to have this issue on the native hardware I’ve tested.
> >
> > Are you sure?
>
> Fairly sure. I noticed that it was the problem under DOSBox. So, I added a
> DOSBox
> detector to V8Power Tools and skip it inside DOSBox. After hearing of the
> issue,
> the issue under QEMU sounded exactly the same. So, went straight to the
> RAM Drive
> creation and skipped it. FDI works fine afterwords. All other external
> utilities that are
> used by FDI are used in may places. So, if one of those was the culprit,
> it would
> exhibit issues elsewhere as well.
>
> HOWEVER, that being said, that does not mean there is a bug in SHSURDRV.
> The problem could be in the kernel, freecom. Or, even possibly in my
> FDITEMP.BAT.
> I have not tested had a chance to fully examine the problem. But, so lar
> it appears
> to be SHSURDRV.
>
> > I often use SHSURDRV (386, XMSv3 version) as RAM drive
> > under QEMU with no problems.
> > Of course, my version is reassembled without the (bloated, unused by
> > me) ZLIB/"GZIP" stuff (so it's only like 6 kb now).
> >
> > What QEMU version are you using?
>
> Don’t know about everyone else. But, I tested it on 2.4.0.
>
> > I think I'm on 2.5.0 at this point,
> > but newer versions are coming soon.
> > (Yeah, some Linux distros, e.g. Ubuntu LTS, still only have older
> > 2.0.0.) I get mine for Win32/64 (precompiled) from
> > http://qemu.weilnetz.de .
> >
> >> Drawbacks of not having the RAM DISK or RAM DISK creation failure:
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FDI Preview 15, update 2

[Don Flowers]

Jerome, Eric, and others,
I used the SLIM image for a quick test on QEMU edited the FDITEMP.BAT file
and now have a successful (basic) install.
Will test the Full install with the 512 image later today.


On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
wrote:

>
> > On Apr 4, 2016, at 8:00 AM, Jim Hall  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks! I'll try it out tonight.
> >
> > I didn't see the link for the USB image, but I see that it is there. I
> saw the link for Download and the link for Latest, then a bunch of text
> that I didn't read. My bad. ;-)
>
> No problem.
>
> My CMS is only setup to have multiple versions on the Floppy Image.
> The USB images are always the latest FDI and are not versioned.
>
> For the current 4/3/16 images, just remember to add that line of text to
> FDITEMP.BAT.
>
> > For now, the lockup can be avoided by adding
> >
> > goto IsDOSBox
> >
> > at line 26 in the \FDSETUP\SETUP\FDITEMP.BAT portion of FDI.
> > This will cause FDI to just assume RAM DISK creation for initial
> > temporary storage has failed and will proceed with the installation
> > process. FDI will still function like this. However, a few things will
> > not automatically be handled for the user.
>
> Running installer under QEMU….
>
> > qemu-system-i386 -m 32M -hda FDI-USB.img -hdb drivec.img
> >
> > then after install
> >
> > qemu-system-i386 -m 32M -hda drivec.img
>
> At present, I’m looking into detecting QEMU so I don’t have to drop
> the blank drive auto partitioning in Normal mode.
>
> Thanks, Jerome
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Printing in FreeDOS

[Don Flowers]

Thanks Eric - that should relieve my anxiety.

>That is a lot of DOS? Why several computers?

I just scored a NOS  WordPerfect Office 3.01 and am going to test it in a
network environment.

I have had this DOS disorder since the 80s and have always
wanted to network DOS. I worked at Holiday Inn in the (1985-1988) and we
had this awesome network and Hotel Management Software.


On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Eric Auer  wrote:

>
> Hi Dosgeek,
>
> > Just a quick poll to see how many users are actually running
> > a printer in FreeDOS.
>
> > What kind of printer are you using?
> > Dot Matrix
> > Ink Jet
> > Laser
> > Other
>
> > I have an Epson NOS LQ-2070 Dot Matrix (Parallel interface) on the way
> and
> > am anxious about the setup and the end result. I have 4 PCs running
> FreeDOS
> > 2 of those are FreeDOS only machines; 1 of which will be a dedicated
> server.
>
> That is a lot of DOS? Why several computers?
>
> According to the manual of your printer:
>
> https://files.support.epson.com/pdf/lq2070/lq2070u1.pdf
>
> This 24 pin printer supports IBM and ESC/P2 commands and a number of DOS
> codepages such as 437, 850, 860 and related. The first two should match
> your most common BIOS and mode/display VGA fonts for USA and Europe :-)
>
> I would suggest to use ESC/P2 configuration of your printer, because DOS
> text related software may already know the escape codes for things such
> as bold or italic printing. That makes it a bit easier for you to have a
> bit of layout. Also, ESC/P2 is supported by our GRAPHICS TSR driver for
> the graphical screenshot hotkey :-)
>
> Finally, you will probably not need a print spooler TSR, but you should
> make selections for buffer size and buffer waiting time in your printer
> configuration (using buttons on the printer) according to your taste.
>
> Cheers, Eric
>
> PS: GRAPHICS also supports simple PostScript and HP PCL screenshots, but
> you should avoid old dumb GDI laser and ink jet printers, as those would
> require smart Windows or Linux drivers. I think most modern printers are
> smart enough to understand PostScript, ESC/P2 or HP PCL anyway?
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Booting FreeDOS on HP desktops?

[Don Flowers]

I need a little more information.
I have two HPs (HP Elite 8000 SFF and a DC-5700)
The 8000 is in SATA mode for W10 so I have to use the HP/Intel
AHCI.SYS driver to "see" the hard drive. The other is in IDE mode and boots
with no issues.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Wayne Dernoncourt  wrote:

> Does anyone have any advice about getting FreeDOS to boot on an HP
> desktop?  I get a message about "Init..." and then nothing happens.  I've
> been trying to get this to work for a two or three months but I haven't had
> a chance to fool much with this for the past three or four weeks.
>
> This clown speaks for himself
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Re: [Freedos-user] FDI Preview 15, update 2

[Don Flowers]

I just tried it and got the same hang. I'll have to try it on another linux
machine tomorrow.

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 7:28 PM, Jim Hall  wrote:

> Is anyone else testing using QEMU (virtual machine on Linux)? I'm not
> getting anywhere. The installation seems stuck after 'Done processing
> startup files FDCONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT'.
>
> The screen just hangs there. I've left it running for other fifteen
> minutes before shutting it down (installing FreeDOS 1.1 on QEMU is
> fast until it starts to install packages. Then it's slow, so I've
> learned to just let QEMU do its thing.)
>
> So I'm not seeing the test.
>
>
>
> My QEMU setup:
>
> * Drive C image initialized with:
> qemu-img create drivec.img 100M
>
> * QEMU command:
> qemu-system-i386 -m 32M -hda $drivec -fda FDI.img -boot ac
>
>
> I'm using FDI-2016-04-03-0.pre.zip
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I just pushed another minor update to Preview 15.
> >
> > changes:
> >
> > - Typo correction on Partition Drive Screen.
> > - Automatic updating of installed FDNPKG drive letters to C:
> > (some were pointing to D: after USB stick installation)
> >
> > Thanks, Jerome
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FDI Preview 15, update 2

[Don Flowers]

Cool - thanks for the tip!

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
wrote:

> Hello Don,
>
> > Are you ready for a chuckle? My server drive is mapped to F:  - the same
> as the CDROM drive assignment . LOL
> > no worries - I will modify it on my end.
> >
>
> Well, you’ll probably like this then.
>
> If you have correctly configured FDNPKG.CFG. And basically, have switched
> to a package based FreeDOS system. You could more or less stick in some
> REPO media and run fdimples /update, then select OK and it will remove and
> then install updated packages through FDINST. This would get a little
> tricky if you booted from the FDI media and want to install packages to C:.
> To do that, I would recommend setting the DOSDIR to the system DOS dir. The
> backing up the FDNPKG.CFG, like to FDNPKG.OLD. The running type FDNPKG.OLD
> | vstr /u /b /s C:\ D:\ >FDNPKG.CFG. That  basically has vstr convert input
> to uppercase, strip out blank lines and replace all “C:\” with “D:\”
>
> FDIMPLES does all kinds of stuff. It is really nice for browsing the
> packages on the FDI USB image.
>
> :-)
>
> Thanks, Jerome
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FDI Preview 15, update 2

[Don Flowers]

Hey Jerome,

Are you ready for a chuckle? My server drive is mapped to F:  - the same as
the CDROM drive assignment . LOL
no worries - I will modify it on my end.

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wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I just pushed another minor update to Preview 15.
>
> changes:
>
> - Typo correction on Partition Drive Screen.
> - Automatic updating of installed FDNPKG drive letters to C:
> (some were pointing to D: after USB stick installation)
>
> Thanks, Jerome
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot FreeDOS (Black screen/blinking cursor)

[Don Flowers]

If I am not mistaken FreeDOS unzip will extract the file. Here's the text
how to:
ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp39501-4/sp39596.html

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Mikkel C. Simonsen 
wrote:

> Jerome E. Shidel Jr. wrote:
> > Assuming the EXE is an executable archive, you could use the free DOSBox
> or Virtual Box on Linux to extract the exe.
>
> It's actually a win32 installer. But it runs just fine on OS/2 :)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mikkel
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot FreeDOS (Black screen/blinking cursor)

[Don Flowers]

rename this back to ahci.sys

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 8:21 AM, matthew berardi 
wrote:

> haha! I'm downloading a modern.ie image right now because it flew totally
> over my head I could run FreeDOS in VirtualBox!
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Matt,
>>
>> > I don't understand. I don't see AHCI.SYS or UIDE/UDVD in the FDI image.
>>
>> Don is referring to line 18 in the autoexec.bat
>>
>> DEVLOAD /H /Q %dosdir%\BIN\UDVD2.SYS /D:FDCD0001
>>
>> > This particular disk has never never been GPT and the table is
>> obliterated anyway because I dd'd the FDI image to the disk itself, not a
>> partition.
>> >
>> > Any idea where I might be able to get those files without running an
>> .exe. I can't run an exe, at least not until I get FreeDOS installed.
>>
>> Assuming the EXE is an executable archive, you could use the free DOSBox
>> or Virtual Box on Linux to extract the exe.
>>
>> Jerome
>>
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot FreeDOS (Black screen/blinking cursor)

[Don Flowers]

PS - Download gparted and create a DOS MBR partition table first to make
sure you are not still on the GPT table.

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 7:56 AM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You are going to need to download this:
> ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp39501-4/sp39596.exe
>
> And then you need to download Jerome's FDI image and and substitute the
> AHCI.SYS driver for the UIDE/UDVD driver. On my Acer laptop and that's the
> only thing that works for me. This will give access to the hard drive. Once
> you have the hard drive formatted and "SYSed" Report back,
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. <jer...@shidel.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Matt,
>>
>> > In the Boot tab in my BIOS, the menu for Xst Boot has CD, USB Floppy,
>> USB CD, etc, etc and UEFI at the bottom. Usually I have UEFI as first and
>> only boot. However, I've changed it to USB Floppy (I dunno why it thinks
>> it's a floppy) as first and only, no UEFI. I can't see any option to
>> disable UEFI more than that.
>>
>> When you try to boot the image, if you only see a blank screen with
>> blinking cursor, and you never see the “FreeDOS kernel 2041……..” messages,
>> the kernel is either not compatible or is not being loaded. Unfortunately,
>> I don’t know enough about your specific hardware. So, I cannot say if it is
>> not compatible with FreeDOS. Or, what exact settings you would need to make
>> to get it to run the OS.
>>
>> Perhaps, if you submit the information for your BIOS manufacturer and
>> version, someone may know exactly what to change. Or, possibly may be
>> familiar with getting FreeDOS to work in a similar situation.
>>
>> Sorry that I could not be of greater assistance.
>>
>> Jerome
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Re: [Freedos-user] Boot FreeDOS (Black screen/blinking cursor)

[Don Flowers]

You are going to need to download this:
ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp39501-4/sp39596.exe

And then you need to download Jerome's FDI image and and substitute the
AHCI.SYS driver for the UIDE/UDVD driver. On my Acer laptop and that's the
only thing that works for me. This will give access to the hard drive. Once
you have the hard drive formatted and "SYSed" Report back,

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
wrote:

> Hello Matt,
>
> > In the Boot tab in my BIOS, the menu for Xst Boot has CD, USB Floppy,
> USB CD, etc, etc and UEFI at the bottom. Usually I have UEFI as first and
> only boot. However, I've changed it to USB Floppy (I dunno why it thinks
> it's a floppy) as first and only, no UEFI. I can't see any option to
> disable UEFI more than that.
>
> When you try to boot the image, if you only see a blank screen with
> blinking cursor, and you never see the “FreeDOS kernel 2041……..” messages,
> the kernel is either not compatible or is not being loaded. Unfortunately,
> I don’t know enough about your specific hardware. So, I cannot say if it is
> not compatible with FreeDOS. Or, what exact settings you would need to make
> to get it to run the OS.
>
> Perhaps, if you submit the information for your BIOS manufacturer and
> version, someone may know exactly what to change. Or, possibly may be
> familiar with getting FreeDOS to work in a similar situation.
>
> Sorry that I could not be of greater assistance.
>
> Jerome
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Re: [Freedos-user] Realtek RTL8211 PCIe Gigabit LAN card

[Don Flowers]

Hey Louis,
The  primary link is the Realtek site
I downloaded all these and by trial and error found the right combination
of LSL, NET.CFG RTGEODI ODIPKT11 and IPXODI.

http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1=5=5=5=4=3=false#RTL8111B/RTL8168B/RTL8111/RTL8168%3Cbr%3ERTL8111C/RTL8111CP/RTL8111D%28L%29%3Cbr%3ERTL8168C/RTL8111DP/RTL8111E%3Cbr%3ERTL8168E/RTL8111F/RTL8411%3Cbr%3ERTL8111G/RTL8111GUS/RTL8411B%28N%29%3Cbr%3ERTL8118AS

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 6:38 PM, Louis Santillan <lpsan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If the driver link appears to be legitimate, could you post it please?
>
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So I have this Acer E5-571 with a Realtek RTL8211 NIC cardi and have
>> never been able to configure. Over the past week I have been on a download
>> binge trying to find information on how to configure this card and also how
>> to network FreeDOS in my home.
>> For Networking I have chosen Novell Personal NETWare and have it running
>> on 2 PCs (one upstairs and one downstairs).
>>
>> After numerous downloads I "stumbled" upon the right driver combination
>> for my Acer and as it happens this also works on the PCIe addon NIC card
>> for my HP Elite Desktop.
>> The setup goes as folllows.
>> LSL
>> RTGEODI
>> IPXODI
>> ODIPKT11 0 96
>> and 'voila! I have a proper connection for FDNPKG, and also am able to
>> map drives on my workgroup via Netware.
>>
>> Have a happy Easter!
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] install

[Don Flowers]

>Its BIOS has Legacy USB support and it is enabled.
My bad, I meant to check for UEFI or Legacy option for your hard drive
operating system. For example, I have an ACER E5-571 and to use FreeDOS I
must choose the Legacy option, but I still am limited to SATA only there is
no IDE option. To intall FreeDOS I must use the Intel AHCI.SYS driver and
then I install from the ISO file via the SHSUCDHD.EXE driver.



On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 7:09 AM, Péter Szőke  wrote:

> I will try answer to everyone.
>
> So, I have this model:
>
> Asus k501lx-dm045d
>
> Its BIOS has Legacy USB support and it is
>
> Enabled.
>
> "Why install to HDD? Why not just use a
>
> bootable USB as if it were your HDD?"
>
> My service asked me. If I want a repair,
>
> Ihave to bring back to them the notebook
>
> in its original state.
> When buoght this notebook it had freedos
>
> operating system.
>
> "RUFUS wouldn't run? Or it ran but didn't
>
> find or write to your USB? Or
> your USB wouldn't boot natively? Or the
>
> USB booted but couldn't run?
> Or it ran but couldn't install?"
>
> I could make a bootable pendrive by Rufus,
>
> but I could not install the freedos from
>
> it.
>
>
> I sent my notebook with a formatted HDD.
> I hope they will not complaining.
>
> Any way,I really appreciate your help.
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> However,I am still courius how should I install to HDD. smiley
>
> 2016-03-18 5:54 GMT+01:00 Rugxulo :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Péter Szőke 
>> wrote:
>> > Dear Members,
>> >
>> > Is there any way to install the Freedos from USB stick/Pendrive to HDD.
>>
>> Why install to HDD? Why not just use a bootable USB as if it were your
>> HDD?
>>
>> > I have a notebook without optical drive.
>> > The notebook has Windows 10 certification.
>>
>> That's not very specific. We need OEM name, model number, BIOS vendor,
>> cpuid, etc
>>
>> > I have tried some program for example Rufus, but I could not solve.
>>
>> RUFUS wouldn't run? Or it ran but didn't find or write to your USB? Or
>> your USB wouldn't boot natively? Or the USB booted but couldn't run?
>> Or it ran but couldn't install?
>>
>> If RUFUS didn't work, did you try anything else? UNetBootIn? Other??
>>
>> * http://unetbootin.github.io/
>> * https://wiki.debian.org/FlashBIOS
>> * http://joelinoff.com/blog/?p=431
>>
>> > The main problem was that : the pendrive was the only visible drive.
>>
>> So you could successfully run DOS programs from the booted USB?
>>
>> > I could change the drive but after every restart, the installer did not
>> find
>> > my partitions.
>>
>> Change what drive? Find what partitions? You mean FAT or NTFS?
>>
>> > So, I could not choose the number '1' option which is start the setup.
>> >
>> > May I please beg an explanation.
>>
>> The normal way to install DOS is: fdisk (create DOS partition),
>> reboot, format (FAT), sys (create boot sector, adjust MBR, copy kernel
>> and shell if needed).
>>
>> You don't really need to do any other fancy methods. But again, if
>> your USB is booting and working and has DOS on it, why bother with HDD
>> at all??
>>
>> P.S. Is your notebook completely barren? Does it have no other OS on
>> it? Have you tried installing anything else on it? Is that what you're
>> really trying to do, using FreeDOS at a means to help install
>> something else? Or is that the problem, that it "only" has Windows 10?
>> (You know you can also install FreeDOS under a virtual machine, right?
>> It's not hard.)
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Re: [Freedos-user] Poor mouse pointer visibility in Edit

[Don Flowers]

I may have found a solution for your EDIT / Mouse issue. On one of my PC's
(an old Compaq) I use this driver:
http://h20566.www2.hp.com/hpsc/swd/public/detail?sp4ts.oid=92231=PSG_I8512_18797=139

SP2259,EXE Logitech Mouse
which has a DOS enhancement for mouse sensitivity, speed etc.
One of the options is a blink option - I tried it today and when I set it
to blink my mouse cursor actually stabilized when using FreeDOS Edit.
You might give it a try and see how it does on your machine.

On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:

> I buy a lot of cheap used. Get rid of the old garbage. Besides
> they come setup for a camera not a puter. The mbr contains a startup
> program
> for a camera. Besides a lot of flash chips are fakes.
> When you format them the fakes stand out. An 8 gig chip
> might reformat as a 2 gig because it really is a 2 gig chip
> with the mbr doctored.
> Thanks for the link.
>
> cheers
> DS
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 12:02:41 -0500 dmccunney 
> writes:
> > On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Dale E Sterner
> >  wrote:
> > > My old puter doesn't read html 5. I have to use Android tablet.
> > > It downloads apps OK but for other stuff it seems to balk.
> > > Still learning how to get this Android to work well.
> >
> > Try
> > http://archives.scovetta.com/pub/simtelnet/msdos/editor/sedit110.zip
> > as an alternate source for SETEDIT.
> >
> > > You remember I said that micro SD chips format slowly.
> > > I take it back; I had a bad chip. If you put them in a cr-7100
> > adapter.
> > > They're almost as fast as a CF chip.
> >
> > They come formatted as FAT32 out of the box.  Why would you need to
> > format one?
> >
> > > cheers
> > > DS
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Re: [Freedos-user] install

[Don Flowers]

PS - Check you BIOS and enable legacy support.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:58 PM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The only way that I know of that *might* work is if you have access to
> linux where you use a linux DD command so that the USB would show up as the
> A: drive  - if you are not in a hurry, I will experiement over the weekend,
> Meanwhile have you seen this site?
>
> http://www.chtaube.eu/computers/freedos/bootable-usb/
>
> The FreeDOS image is not up to date but it should be good for a trial run.
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Péter Szőke <petrosbl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Members,
>>
>> Is there any way to install the Freedos from USB stick/Pendrive to HDD.
>> I have a notebook without optical drive.
>> The notebook has Windows 10 certification.
>> I have tried some program for example Rufus, but I could not solve.
>> The main problem was that : the pendrive was the only visible drive.
>> I could change the drive but after every restart, the installer did not
>> find my partitions.
>> So, I could not choose the number '1' option which is start the setup.
>>
>> May I please beg an explanation.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Installer Preview 14 - The Final Chapter.

[Don Flowers]

Jerome, this is not an installer issue, it occurs following an otherwise
successful install and reboot. I think it is a DOSLFN/Memory
Management/SHELL issue. It's a bug that has been around for a long time and
the only way I have gotten rid of it is to forgo DOSLFN.

On another note, I am in need of a generic DOS program installer, V8 looks
like what I want, perhaps after FD 1.2 is released you could contribute
such a tool to the repo?

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Jerome Shidel <jer...@shidel.net> wrote:

> Hello Don
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just did an install on my multiple Hard drive/multiple DOS/FreeDOS DC5700.
> I used the advanced option and have nothing bad to report (except that *#$%
> "Error reading from drive A: DOS area drive not ready Abort Ignore Retry
> Fail?" on mulitple file copy. Tried adding \ to destination directory to no
> avail. I'll be REMming the DOSLFN option as before.
>
>
> To clarify, do you get this error while running the installer or after
> FreeDOS has been installed and you reboot? Or both?
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anxious to test and report back.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Louis Santillan <lpsan...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll do some more testing tonight or tomorrow night.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. <jer...@shidel.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> The wholesome and awesome goodness of the FreeDOS Installer Preview 14
>>>> is now available. P14 contains many improvements over P13 including
>>>> auto-partitioning (when obvious), fixed FDIMPLES bug, MBR updating and many
>>>> many more enhancements.
>>>>
>>>> http://up.lod.bz/FDI
>>>>
>>>> I also ran an tested one of the USB stick images on a ancient Acer
>>>> Netbook with a empty SSD drive.
>>>>
>>>> WARNING: If you don’t want your MBR updated, you will need to switch
>>>> into advanced mode no later than the Welcome to FreeDOS message.
>>>>
>>>> Except for any bug fixes, this is the final FDI Preview release until
>>>> the FreeDOS 1.2 Beta. Mostly, that should only be
>>>> a fine-tuning of included packages.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again, Jerome
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Installer Preview 14 - The Final Chapter.

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Just did an install on my multiple Hard drive/multiple DOS/FreeDOS DC5700.
I used the advanced option and have nothing bad to report (except that *#$%
"Error reading from drive A: DOS area drive not ready Abort Ignore Retry
Fail?" on mulitple file copy. Tried adding \ to destination directory to no
avail. I'll be REMming the DOSLFN option as before.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Don Flowers <donr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anxious to test and report back.
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Louis Santillan <lpsan...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'll do some more testing tonight or tomorrow night.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. <jer...@shidel.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> The wholesome and awesome goodness of the FreeDOS Installer Preview 14
>>> is now available. P14 contains many improvements over P13 including
>>> auto-partitioning (when obvious), fixed FDIMPLES bug, MBR updating and many
>>> many more enhancements.
>>>
>>> http://up.lod.bz/FDI
>>>
>>> I also ran an tested one of the USB stick images on a ancient Acer
>>> Netbook with a empty SSD drive.
>>>
>>> WARNING: If you don’t want your MBR updated, you will need to switch
>>> into advanced mode no later than the Welcome to FreeDOS message.
>>>
>>> Except for any bug fixes, this is the final FDI Preview release until
>>> the FreeDOS 1.2 Beta. Mostly, that should only be
>>> a fine-tuning of included packages.
>>>
>>> Thanks again, Jerome
>>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] R-Alt does not act like L-Alt

[Don Flowers]

I use setedit almost exclusively and R-Alt is working correctly with an
open file.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:48 AM, John Hupp  wrote:

> I have argued much the same, but I have a recollection that the EDIT
> behavior is by design, with R-Alt (aka AltGr) functioning as a dead key
> to provide support for the Euro character, etc.
>
> There is an old, unattended bug report on the issue, though it may need
> rounding out, and in any case some will argue that it's not a bug (which
> may be why it was unattended): https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/bugs/96/
>
> I do appreciate the measure of support for my revised understanding --
> that this behavior is due to program design (hopefully rare among
> programs) rather than some feature of FreeDOS.
>
> On 3/8/2016 9:46 AM, Bret Johnson wrote:
> > With a US keyboard layout, R-Alt and L-Alt are supposed to work exactly
> the same way in the vast majority of programs, including EDIT.
> >
> > I did a couple of experiments, and in FD-EDIT it doesn't work that way.
> It's a bug in the way the program is written.  MS-EDIT works just fine.  I
> haven't looked at the source code for EDIT, but this should be relatively
> easy to patch.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Installer Preview 14 - The Final Chapter.

[Don Flowers]

Anxious to test and report back.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Louis Santillan  wrote:

> I'll do some more testing tonight or tomorrow night.
>
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> The wholesome and awesome goodness of the FreeDOS Installer Preview 14 is
>> now available. P14 contains many improvements over P13 including
>> auto-partitioning (when obvious), fixed FDIMPLES bug, MBR updating and many
>> many more enhancements.
>>
>> http://up.lod.bz/FDI
>>
>> I also ran an tested one of the USB stick images on a ancient Acer
>> Netbook with a empty SSD drive.
>>
>> WARNING: If you don’t want your MBR updated, you will need to switch into
>> advanced mode no later than the Welcome to FreeDOS message.
>>
>> Except for any bug fixes, this is the final FDI Preview release until the
>> FreeDOS 1.2 Beta. Mostly, that should only be
>> a fine-tuning of included packages.
>>
>> Thanks again, Jerome
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] R-Alt does not act like L-Alt

[Don Flowers]

Oops my bad! I only tested it with EDIT loaded but not with an open
document. Doesn't work.

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 5:35 PM, John Hupp <free...@prpcompany.com> wrote:

> Does that work in EDIT with a document open?
>
> If so, is that on real hardware or a virtual machine?
>
> I have never had that key combo work in Edit on perhaps a dozen different
> old computers.
>
>
> On 3/5/2016 4:18 PM, Don Flowers wrote:
>
> R ALT-X works for me on a 2014 Acer Aspire E5 Laptop.
> I wonder if the root of this issue is that there no longer seems to be a
> keyboard standard (as we knew it in DOS); where TSRs were the norm.
>
> I have several TSR programs connected to either Left Shift or Left CTRL
> and my favorite TSR (PC-OUTLINE) with a  only works in DOS 3.31 or
> below. All I get now is an echo of the key combination with that one. All
> of my other TSR  programs are functional except Collins dictionary and I
> have a work-around for it with WPShell and WP60.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 2:26 PM, John Hupp <free...@prpcompany.com> wrote:
>
>> Ever since I moved from MS-DOS to FreeDOS years ago, I have been annoyed
>> by some R-Alt key behavior.  (This is on a US ANSI-layout keyboard.)
>>
>> The classic illustration was in Edit, where I couldn't R-Alt+X to exit.
>>
>> But my touch-typing technique for a L-Alt+X would be left index finger
>> on L-Alt, plus left ring finger on X.  Nearly impossible!! Other key
>> combinations were awkward at best.
>>
>> And as I noted in another post recently, the mouse pointer in Edit is
>> nearly invisible on the machine I'm currently working with, so
>> mouse-instead-of-keyboard wasn't a decent solution either.
>>
>> But after another dive into this issue, I now notice this:
>>
>> - Even in Edit, R-Alt acts like L-Alt with no document open.
>> - In SetEdit, R-Alt acts like L-Alt.
>> - In FreeDOS Help, R-Alt acts like L-Alt.
>> - In DOOM, R-Alt acts like L-Alt.
>>
>> I'm now thinking that in DOS, the kernel's keyboard input method
>> probably consists of rather simply reading the BIOS keyboard buffer, and
>> absent the intervention of a running DOS keyboard driver, it is probably
>> up to each program to decide how to process key combinations.
>>
>> If that's the case, then it's probably just FreeDOS Edit (and perhaps a
>> few other programs) that will annoy me this way.
>>
>> Can anyone confirm or deny this understanding?
>>
>> [By the way, I also looked at running KEYB with a customized US.KEY
>> layout, but it looks like US.KEY only customizes a handful of keys and
>> key combinations, leaving the rest to whatever the default keyboard
>> handling is.  To make R-Alt act like L-Alt across the board, I would
>> have to create MANY lines in the k858 look-up table, specifying what
>> happens for R-Alt+A, R-Alt+B, R-Alt+C, etc.  And it might be that
>> program handling of key combinations could still override that -- I
>> don't know.]
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Re: [Freedos-user] R-Alt does not act like L-Alt

[Don Flowers]

R ALT-X works for me on a 2014 Acer Aspire E5 Laptop.
I wonder if the root of this issue is that there no longer seems to be a
keyboard standard (as we knew it in DOS); where TSRs were the norm.

I have several TSR programs connected to either Left Shift or Left CTRL and
my favorite TSR (PC-OUTLINE) with a  only works in DOS 3.31 or
below. All I get now is an echo of the key combination with that one. All
of my other TSR  programs are functional except Collins dictionary and I
have a work-around for it with WPShell and WP60.


On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 2:26 PM, John Hupp  wrote:

> Ever since I moved from MS-DOS to FreeDOS years ago, I have been annoyed
> by some R-Alt key behavior.  (This is on a US ANSI-layout keyboard.)
>
> The classic illustration was in Edit, where I couldn't R-Alt+X to exit.
>
> But my touch-typing technique for a L-Alt+X would be left index finger
> on L-Alt, plus left ring finger on X.  Nearly impossible!! Other key
> combinations were awkward at best.
>
> And as I noted in another post recently, the mouse pointer in Edit is
> nearly invisible on the machine I'm currently working with, so
> mouse-instead-of-keyboard wasn't a decent solution either.
>
> But after another dive into this issue, I now notice this:
>
> - Even in Edit, R-Alt acts like L-Alt with no document open.
> - In SetEdit, R-Alt acts like L-Alt.
> - In FreeDOS Help, R-Alt acts like L-Alt.
> - In DOOM, R-Alt acts like L-Alt.
>
> I'm now thinking that in DOS, the kernel's keyboard input method
> probably consists of rather simply reading the BIOS keyboard buffer, and
> absent the intervention of a running DOS keyboard driver, it is probably
> up to each program to decide how to process key combinations.
>
> If that's the case, then it's probably just FreeDOS Edit (and perhaps a
> few other programs) that will annoy me this way.
>
> Can anyone confirm or deny this understanding?
>
> [By the way, I also looked at running KEYB with a customized US.KEY
> layout, but it looks like US.KEY only customizes a handful of keys and
> key combinations, leaving the rest to whatever the default keyboard
> handling is.  To make R-Alt act like L-Alt across the board, I would
> have to create MANY lines in the k858 look-up table, specifying what
> happens for R-Alt+A, R-Alt+B, R-Alt+C, etc.  And it might be that
> program handling of key combinations could still override that -- I
> don't know.]
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[Freedos-user] Batch file compilers

[Don Flowers]

Do we have access to any "Free"  batch file compilers like BUILDER or like
Seaware's EBL program?
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Re: [Freedos-user] Poor mouse pointer visibility in Edit

[Don Flowers]

It is in the FreeDOS 1.0 pkg repo
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/pkgs/

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 12:09 PM, dmccunney 
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> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 12:02 PM, dmccunney 
> wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Dale E Sterner 
> wrote:
> >> My old puter doesn't read html 5. I have to use Android tablet.
> >> It downloads apps OK but for other stuff it seems to balk.
> >> Still learning how to get this Android to work well.
> >
> > Try http://archives.scovetta.com/pub/simtelnet/msdos/editor/sedit110.zip
> > as an alternate source for SETEDIT.
>
> Oops!  Wrong editor.  That one gets you SEDIT, which is a different
> product.  Sorry.
>
> And I suspect the problem with SourceForge isn't HTML5, it's
> JavaScript.  Just about everything uses it now, and I'm not aware of
> any DOS browser that supports it.
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Re: [Freedos-user] State of native FD 1.1 programs support for FAT32?

[Don Flowers]

Whatever issues I have found have been totally unrelated to FAT32 (well
today, I found an installer that wouldn't install to a FAT32 partition, but
that was a rare find); most issues I have are of the Freecom variety I have
to LOADFIX way too many programs, but .082 fixes that for my most stubborn
vintage programs.

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> I haven't looked at this question for a long time so it probably bears
> asking again.
>
> I have been using 2GB FAT16 partitions because of my recollection that
> some of the FreeDOS programs didn't support FAT32 properly. I'm sorry I
> don't have notes on the particulars, just a recollection of my
> conclusion from a dive into the question a long time ago.
>
> Can anyone say with some authority what the current state of affairs is?
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Poor mouse pointer visibility in Edit

[Don Flowers]

I had forgotten how bad that cursor is in EDIT, I use SETEDIT for most
everything these days. I just tried a no-blink utility and that helps a bit
more, but not enough to waste the memory.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 8:06 PM, John Hupp <free...@prpcompany.com> wrote:

> I tried this today.  It improves the pointer situation in Edit, but the
> arrow gets chopped up a lot as I move it around.
>
> Something about Edit seems to be hostile to pointers.  Nothing else looks
> nearly so bad.
>
> But for the degree of improvement in Edit, it sits in memory all the time
> occupying 7K, so I may remove it and let Edit function like keyboard-only.
>
>
> On 2/20/2016 6:37 PM, Don Flowers wrote:
>
> I use this neat little mouse pointer it's pretty cool.
> http://www.pcorner.com/list/GRAPHUTI/PP111.ZIP/INFO/
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 5:27 PM, John Hupp <free...@prpcompany.com> wrote:
>
>> With the default installation of FreeDOS 1.1 on real hardware (Pentium
>> II @ 300 MHz, 48 MB, ATI 3D Rage Pro AGP video with 4 MB), I find that
>> the mouse pointer in Edit with a file open is almost invisible.   There
>> are partial-image flashes of the expected brown rectangle.  But if I
>> open a menu, then there is a nice solid brown rectangle while the menu
>> is open.
>>
>> In the FreeDOS Help system, the pointer is a nice solid gray.
>>
>> I got the same results with 2 LCD monitors and also a CRT.
>>
>> I don't have anything additional installed on this system yet so I don't
>> know what the behavior will be in other programs.
>>
>> The mouse pointer has never been pretty in Edit -- it's usually flashing
>> but fully visible -- but I have never seen it virtually invisible like
>> this.  Initially I thought there was no pointer until I stepped through
>> the Autoexec.bat startup and confirmed that MOUSE does indeed run
>> successfully, after which I looked harder and saw the visual traces of
>> the pointer in Edit.
>>
>> Does anyone have an explanation or solution?
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2+ Preview 12 - Now with Dimples

[Don Flowers]

OK - I have several PC's with varying modern installs (WIN7, WIN10,
Xubuntu)
residing along with various versions of MS-DOS and FreeDOS (even a custom
FAT16 version of FreeDOS). I have created several rescue disks and yet
there is
always at least one install that either messes up my boot code (usually
fixable) or
deletes an entire partition even when hidden (thank you MS-DOS 6.2 and
Windows 10).
The point being it happens and the inew install should have the priority.
If one has "precious" data then one better have a backup before installing.

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>
> > I'm going with Louis on this one. When installing FreeDOS, I'd expect
> > the installer to overwrite my MBR with clean boot code, so I don't have
> > any troubles booting FreeDOS post install. That's what MS-DOS did, and
> > that's what I expect from any OS in fact.
>
> I expect more sophistication than such belligerence. Even WinXP checks MBR
> code compatibility, and leaves it undisturbed if OK.
>
> > Naturally, an appropriately big warning must be presented before doing
> > so, and if the user knows he has some tricky configuration (multi-boot),
> > he should be able to select an option "leave my MBR alone please, I will
> > take care of it myself".
>
> This I find acceptable, and inconsistent with your previous paragraph. All
> the non-ancient Linux installers I'm familiar with allow the MBR to be kept
> undisturbed, even if it means the new Linux installation seems won't be
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Re: [Freedos-user] Cobalt OS 1.1

[Don Flowers]

Smart Boot Manager or Grub4DOS
https://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/

http://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/boot/grub4dos/

SBM installs in  MBR so no need for extra partition.
Grub4DOS will install boot code in MBR and GRLDR in FreeDOS partition.


On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Wayne Dernoncourt 
wrote:

> Can anyone recommend a boot manager?  The plan is to use Windows7 &
> FreeDOS.
>
> This clown speaks for himself
>
> > On Feb 22, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Louis Santillan  wrote:
> >
> > Try Jeremy's Partition Resizer FD Image [0][1].  You'll need an
> > zip/archive program that decompress gzip.
> >
> > [0] http://www.fdos.org/bootdisks/
> > [1] http://www.fdos.org/bootdisks/autogen/FDPRSZR.144.gz
> >
> >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Wayne Dernoncourt 
> wrote:
> >> I'm planning on installing FreeDOS on a new/old Windows machine I just
> >> bought specifically to install FreeDOS.  But it occurred to me that
> there
> >> was almost no way I was going to be able the _hooj_ (insert D Trump
> voice
> >> here) amount of disk space that would be leftover that I could keep
> Windows
> >> and shrink the existing partition and create a FreeDOS partition of a
> couple
> >> of gigabytes and then use a boot manager.
> >>
> >> The main use of this machine will be to test disk drives, Windows
> >> automatically mounts and opens the drives so it would be difficult to
> do the
> >> "raw" I/O needed.
> >>
> >> This clown speaks for himself
> >>
> >> On Feb 21, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Corbin Davenport <
> davenportcor...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> A little while back, I talked on here about my new FreeDOS distribution,
> >> Cobalt. Cobalt is designed to make using DOS easier, by including
> >> commonly-used drivers and software.
> >>
> >> I just released Cobalt 1.1 on GitHub (changelog and download here). It
> has a
> >> few improvements that were suggested on this mailing list. Most
> notably, it
> >> now includes most FreeDOS packages built-in so there's no lack of
> >> functionality.
> >>
> >> The other new feature is in the installer. Cobalt's installer now
> >> automatically detects if you have a DOS-compatible OS installed
> already, and
> >> will allow you to 'upgrade' to Cobalt without deleting any files. I have
> >> tested this with installations of MS-DOS 6 and 7.1, but it should work
> in
> >> FreeDOS just fine.
> >>
> >> If anyone has any suggestions for Cobalt, let me know. All the info
> about
> >> Cobalt can be found here.
> >>
> >> Corbin
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Freedos-user] HX DOS extender with AC97 and HDA soundcard support

[Don Flowers]

I got it to work through DOSBOX in Linux Xubuntu, but not in FreeDOS on an
Acer Laptop. It was cool to hear sound in Xargon and PakuPaku.

Will try to run it today on a HP/Compaq DC5700 desktop after I switch my
audio cables.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 1:39 AM, Guillem León  wrote:

> Hi.
> Yeah, only reason I asked is because right now my only way of running DOS
> is actually through dosbox, which would make testing it kind of impossible.
> Before I dualboot my PC I want to be sure I'll be able to use it. If I
> don't have speech synthesis I can't use the computer. I would run the
> screenreaders through HX but the problem is that all the DOS screenreaders
> that I know of are 16-bit, and I'm not sure if they'd even be able to
> access all the data they need to.
>
> Thanks.
>
> > On 17 Feb 2016, at 12:09, Eric Auer  wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Just for clarification, does this only work with programs loaded
> >> inside dosbox inside HX, or is there any way to get it to work under
> >> DOS directly, with HX loaded but without DOSbox? I'm still thinking
> >> of dualbooting one of my machines with DOS but I need some way of
> >> doing either USB serial port emulation or modern soundcard support
> >> for speech synthesis.
> >
> > I do not know, please check the website or try to find out. If it
> > works in dosbox, it already is quite nice, but of course it would
> > be even better if it also worked for old DOS programs.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2+ Preview 12 - Now with Dimples

[Don Flowers]

I booted from the CD not USB , but my extreme test machine has 3 hard
drives wth various "C" drives among them. Even with XOSL hiding partitions,
I think the installer may not be prepared for setting drives beyond "D;"
"lastdrive=Z" notwithstanding.

Your rewrite should do the trick.
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.2+ Preview 12 - Now with Dimples

[Don Flowers]

Downloaded and burned to CD.
Lots of "Error writing to drive A: DOS area write protection violation
attempted" errors. Is there reason I am getting this?

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Just released FDI Preview 12.
>
> Some major non-UI underlying changes, for better performance and
> compatibility.
> Too many improvements and far to many things to list. Hopefully, this will
> be the last
> preview before FreeDOS 1.2 beta. Next, I intend on looking through the
> package
> lists and adding stuff to all and extras.
>
> However, I mentioned dimples in the subject. I meant FDIMPLES.
> FreeDOS Installer - My Package List Editor Software. It is not 100%
> complete,
> but it is fully integrated and works. Remember, you must be running the
> installer
> in advanced mode for detailed package selections. You can enter advanced
> mode
> by running “setup adv” or by pressing CTRL+C at any point the installer is
> waiting
> on user input.
>
> http://up.lod.bz/FDI
>
> Jerome
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] INTERLINK

[Don Flowers]

I had to install NON-ECC RAM to eliminate the MCB error

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 12:05 PM,  wrote:

> Have tried with latest* kernel, there is a fixed bug in int 25/26 that may
> effect it.
>
> You may want to try RIFS as well, it has source, but I don't recall if it
> used serial, parallel, or either but did work with FreeDOS kernel as well
> as it did with PCDOS.
>
> * I'm releasing updated version this weekend if time permits after I
> commit changes from git to svn.
> On Feb 5, 2016 11:04 AM, "Tom Ehlert"  wrote:
>
>> Bret,
>>
>> > Eric/Tom:
>>
>> > I used to use INTERxxx a lot many years ago using the special
>> > parallel cables designed for that purpose (I think I still have a
>> > couple of those cables in my "spare cable box").  Parallel is MUCH
>> > faster than serial (null modem) cables.
>> I also used it *A LOT*. in times when there were no network cards a
>> commodity. (the times they are a changing ...)
>>
>> > I believe Eric is correct when he says INTERxxx is sector-based
>> > rather than file-based as Tom states.  I do know that the client
>> > (INTERLNK) must be capable of "understanding" the file system of the
>> > server (INTERSVR).  For example, if the client is MS-DOS 6.2 (which
>> > doesn't understand FAT32) and the server is MS-DOS 7.x (which does
>> > understand FAT32) and you're trying to access a FAT32 disk on the
>> > server, it doesn't work.  I know this for sure because I've tried
>> > it.  If INTERxxx was file-based, it wouldn't matter which version of
>> > FAT was on either computer (and could even work on non-FAT drives
>> > the server had mounted, like CD's and network drives).
>>
>> you are right, my memory was plain wrong on this.
>>
>> and - while debugging the crashing problem - I also saw that it
>> installs itself as handler for INT 25/26 'DOS DISK READ/WRITE'
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
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