Re: [Freedos-user] freedos-98
But the Warcraft II that I`m familiar with did run under plain DOS (well... with DOS4GW). Then the complete ReactOS discussion is pointless. 1. Get WC II working under FreeDOS (troubleshoot DOG4/SW or try DOS32/A) 2. Get the network working Only the included map editor needed Windows (3.1 or higher) to run HX doesn't support Win16 ... ReacOS probably neither. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos-98
I am curious if you can run Warcraft II under Wine I never tested this WC II at all :-| ReactOS used to an effort to clone Windows 95 YO ... FreeWin95 IIRC tried to clone 95, ReactOS always NT (but moving: NT4 - 2K - XP - Wi$ta - 7 - 8 - ???) until that was abandoned in favor of the NT architecture NT sucks less than ME (in some areas). but 95/98 era games are not always compatible with plain old dos 2 options for Win32 stuff: 1. HX 2. ReactOS But there is no solution for Win16 crap. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos-98
On 2012-12-20 08:30 (GMT) dos386 composed: there is no solution for Win16 There is. It's just not free: OS/2 Warp (old IBM name) eComStation (current release) -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos-98
Hi, On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: So yes, if I can run hxrt on top of freedos and come up with some sort of packet driver for the PCI Realtek network card... that will be legal and I won't have to worry about how many computers I'm setting up to play Warcraft II. No idea if Warcraft II actually runs under HX. It may not, and that wouldn't be a huge shock. Sad but true. Go back to Warcraft 1 (or similar game, search Gog.com), which actually ran on real DOS. But as far as Realtek goes, here's two packet drivers, not sure which one you need (or other), but give 'em a try: http://www.georgpotthast.de/sioux/packet.htm Honestly, though, I'm not too savvy with Wattcp, you may have to set WATTCP=wattcp.cfg and change it to my_ip = dhcp or such. (mTCP is easier to use, IMHO, but that's separate from HX.) But thinking of all the crap that Windows games need, it's unlike to work (well, if at all) under HXGUI, even if you did manage to find all the proprietary .DLLs you need. Not trying to smash your dreams, just saying, almost nobody ever had the foresight with such old games to make them portable. A 98 clone or ReactOS stabilized is definitely needed for these old games. DOS is a good choice on aging computers where anything that operates at speeds below a gigaherz is an antique already, except for embedded processors. I am against abandoning or throwing out working hardware just because it's not the latest fad anymore. But most people want to chase newer tech than support older stuff. If it's old, it's automatically bad, but new is somehow perfect (but only for a few months!). -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos-98
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:58:34 -0500, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: So yes, if I can run hxrt on top of freedos and come up with some sort of packet driver for the PCI Realtek network card... that will be legal and I won't have to worry about how many computers I'm setting up to play Warcraft II. No idea if Warcraft II actually runs under HX. It may not, and that wouldn't be a huge shock. Sad but true. Go back to Warcraft 1 (or similar game, search Gog.com), which actually ran on real DOS. There may have been a Windows-specific version of Warcraft II released at some point? But the Warcraft II that I`m familiar with did run under plain DOS (well... with DOS4GW). Only the included map editor needed Windows (3.1 or higher) to run. And I played LAN games under DOS by setting up an IPX network. Check the device driver archive for the ethernet card for: a setup program (for configuring IRQ and I/O address, not all cards come with one), LSL.COM, NET.CFG, and a driver (often called IPXODI). *snip* I am against abandoning or throwing out working hardware just because it's not the latest fad anymore. But most people want to chase newer tech than support older stuff. If it's old, it's automatically bad, but new is somehow perfect (but only for a few months!). This is my feeling as well. The implications of buy our new version! because our old version was crap! seem to be lost on most. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] freedos-98
The grub4dos approach is the best, since you can boot anything with it; if that doesn't appeal to you, I would say install the 98 first, as it was designed to commandeer the entire works; the freedos stuff can be copied to the c drive *after an initial installation/backup of the freedos, which is sacrificed to make way for the 98 installation. After that, it is a matter of playing games with a bat file to run the freedos. But then some file names may conflict when using one or the other, since 98 contains msdos asa a subset. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos-98
why install win98?if the computer is specd for it, install freedos, and then install ubuntu and dual boot between the two. and use wine for windows stuff. On Dec 19, 2012, at 1:36 PM, kurt godel wrote: The grub4dos approach is the best, since you can boot anything with it; if that doesn't appeal to you, I would say install the 98 first, as it was designed to commandeer the entire works; the freedos stuff can be copied to the c drive *after an initial installation/backup of the freedos, which is sacrificed to make way for the 98 installation. After that, it is a matter of playing games with a bat file to run the freedos. But then some file names may conflict when using one or the other, since 98 contains msdos asa a subset. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos-98
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Chris Evans aaxiomfin...@gmail.com wrote: why install win98?if the computer is specd for it, install freedos, and then install ubuntu and dual boot between the two. and use wine for windows stuff. Because the intent is to play games that are native for Windows. If the box will be a dedicated gaming machine, Ubuntu and the overhead imposed by Wine is pointless. Install Win98 and be done with it. I'm not even sure there's a reason to have FreeDOS in the mix. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos-98
I'm not even sure there's a reason to have FreeDOS in the mix. Sure there is, especially if your 98 copy isn't legal. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos-98
On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 03:32 +, dos386 wrote: I'm not even sure there's a reason to have FreeDOS in the mix. Sure there is, especially if your 98 copy isn't legal. My copy is sort of legal, but I don't have as many licenses for it as I have computers running it. The computer I'm running Windows 98 on is under spec for emulation. It only has a K6-2 500 processor. So yes, if I can run hxrt on top of freedos and come up with some sort of packet driver for the PCI Realtek network card... that will be legal and I won't have to worry about how many computers I'm setting up to play Warcraft II. I am curious if you can run Warcraft II under Wine on more powerful computers and apply ipxwrapper to get around the no IPX problem? I've run Warcraft II via Wine, but I've never tried to play a network game with that kind of setup. A 98 clone or ReactOS stabilized is definitely needed for these old games. DOS is a good choice on aging computers where anything that operates at speeds below a gigaherz is an antique already, except for embedded processors. Actually, ReactOS used to an effort to clone Windows 95 until that was abandoned in favor of the NT architecture. Sadly, there probably isn't the interest to support cloning 98. I use Freedos for a lot of my old games, but 95/98 era games are not always compatible with plain old dos. I wonder if Freedos32 some day will have extensions to support old games designed for Windows 98? There was an effort to produce a free clone of Warcraft II called Freecraft, but that effort was squashed by Blizzard. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos-98
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 03:32 +, dos386 wrote: I'm not even sure there's a reason to have FreeDOS in the mix. Sure there is, especially if your 98 copy isn't legal. My copy is sort of legal, but I don't have as many licenses for it as I have computers running it. At this point, I'm not sure Microsoft will even *care*, and MS is the only one who would have reason to. They no longer sell or support Win98, and you aren't exactly depriving them of revenue because you don't have licenses for as many copies as you run. Microsoft is far more concerned with large businesses who are under licensed, and may have hundreds or thousands of machines with not quite legal Windows installations. The computer I'm running Windows 98 on is under spec for emulation. It only has a K6-2 500 processor. Yep. You could get Linux to run on it, depending upon what you wanted to do, but emulation would be right out. I wonder if Freedos32 some day will have extensions to support old games designed for Windows 98? It will if someone competent to do so writes them. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos-98
I think that MSFN has some great support for Win98 - I followed it for some time a few years back and there are quite a few dedicated volunteers there who had included USB 2.0 drivers, perfected the various security updates etc. Plenty of debate there as to the legality of the unofficial upgrades, but looks like a hassle-free project ideal for your hardware, HTH On Thu, Dec 20, 2012, at 02:29 PM, dmccunney wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 03:32 +, dos386 wrote: I'm not even sure there's a reason to have FreeDOS in the mix. Sure there is, especially if your 98 copy isn't legal. My copy is sort of legal, but I don't have as many licenses for it as I have computers running it. At this point, I'm not sure Microsoft will even *care*, and MS is the only one who would have reason to. They no longer sell or support Win98, and you aren't exactly depriving them of revenue because you don't have licenses for as many copies as you run. Microsoft is far more concerned with large businesses who are under licensed, and may have hundreds or thousands of machines with not quite legal Windows installations. The computer I'm running Windows 98 on is under spec for emulation. It only has a K6-2 500 processor. Yep. You could get Linux to run on it, depending upon what you wanted to do, but emulation would be right out. I wonder if Freedos32 some day will have extensions to support old games designed for Windows 98? It will if someone competent to do so writes them. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] freedos/98 dual boot.
Jim, I eventually got back to you, that I had *satisfactorily* done it, with 98 in 'c', freedos in 'd'; the trick for me was to master 'devload' and shsucdx. The only bugaboo left is that DOSUSB still cannot coexist with cd rom when fdos is in 'd', yet they do work together if fdos is in 'c'; this I can't figure. In fact, I asked the designer of DOSUSB about this, and he could not figure it out, except to sat that dos assigns the drive letter to DOSUSB. it's not fatal, since I found a real stable usb flash driver (not duse,etc.) for the w98, I just like redundancy! TNX, kurt [EMAIL PROTECTED]. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos/98 dual boot.
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:14 PM, kurt godel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim, I eventually got back to you, that I had *satisfactorily* done it, with 98 in 'c', freedos in 'd'; the trick for me was to master 'devload' and shsucdx. The only bugaboo left is that DOSUSB still cannot coexist with cd rom when fdos is in 'd', yet they do work together if fdos is in 'c'; this I can't figure. In fact, I asked the designer of DOSUSB about this, and he could not figure it out, except to sat that dos assigns the drive letter to DOSUSB. it's not fatal, since I found a real stable usb flash driver (not duse,etc.) for the w98, I just like redundancy! TNX, kurt [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I thought you'd done it, but must have not deleted the earlier thread about it. Since I'm catching up on about 2 months' worth of email, I'm pretty much replying to anything that looks unresolved. :-) Glad you got it working! -jh - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
