[FRIAM] The true crisis is still to come

2008-10-26 Thread Jochen Fromm
Did you know that 8 out of 10 from the biggest 
companies of the world live from oil or oil-consuming 
products? I think the true crisis is still to come, see


http://blog.cas-group.net/2008/10/the-true-crisis-is-still-to-come/

-J.



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Re: [FRIAM] Grappa Wireless Internet

2008-10-26 Thread Robert Holmes
Charming people but their internet service sucks. My connection from them is
currently running at about 300K instead of the 1.5M I'm paying for ($70 per
month). Also because of the location of their radio towers (Santa Fe ski
basin) their service gets even worse during the winter. Last winter they
ended up giving everyone a rebate on one month's fee, though personally I'd
have rather have the up-time than the cash.
As soon as my contact expires, I'm transfering to Qwest, who have just
started offering DSL in my neighbourhood.

Robert

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 4:10 PM, peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  http://grappawireless.com/about.html

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Re: [FRIAM] The true crisis is still to come

2008-10-26 Thread Phil Henshaw
You really have to wonder in a complexity science forum why taking on
endless multiplying complications, as a standard planning concept, would not
be quickly brought into question.   The opening statement in on that CAS
webpage is:

Forget the financial crisis, the true global economic crisis will come in
the next ten years. The end of cheap oil and the beginning of climate change
are the first warning signs. We won’t be able to stop increasing oil prices
in the long term. And we won’t be able to stop climate change and global
warming.

That's only true if the phrase true global economic crisis assumes we
don't realize the error in endlessly multiplying the size and complexity of
the system.  Even without any physical resource limits of any kind the
compounding complexity of continual growth makes any system completely
unmanageable.  You get learning demands that exceed the possible range of
learning responses for the parts not changing.   We're supposed to have
learned by seeing the exploding complexity of the financial schemes as the
core problem in the recent collapse.   The central cause of that complexity
was that they were built to maintain financial system growth in the absence
of similar physical system growth.   We should learn from experience.   The
problem of collapse is not with the pins that prick our bubbles but the
pumps that pump them to the point of bursting.

Phil Henshaw  


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 Did you know that 8 out of 10 from the biggest
 companies of the world live from oil or oil-consuming
 products? I think the true crisis is still to come, see
 
 http://blog.cas-group.net/2008/10/the-true-crisis-is-still-to-come/
 
 -J.
 
 
 
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Re: [FRIAM] Grappa Wireless Internet

2008-10-26 Thread Steve Smith




Robert Holmes wrote:
Charming people but their internet service sucks. My
connection from them is currently running at about 300K instead of the
1.5M I'm paying for ($70 per month). 
I'm on a similar Motorola 600Mhz System run by the San Ildefonso
corporation Tewacom.com and have a similar experience (paying
$60/month). My service varies from 0-1.5M with ~.3M typical. I get
almost total dropouts for minutes at a time. They continue to insist
that my service is symmetric but it is rare that I get more than 50% of
download on upload. I use: http://speakeasy.net/speedtest/ most of
the time.

If there is something inherently limited in these systems, I'd like to
understand it. I don't like pestering people trying to do their job
(TewaCom or Grappa) but I also like getting consistent, expected
performance.

Also because of the location of their radio towers (Santa
Fe ski basin) their service gets even worse during the winter. Last
winter they ended up giving everyone a rebate on one month's fee,
though personally I'd have rather have the up-time than the cash.
I'm one mile from the TewaCom Xmitter and I get little if any
weather-related problems, but do seem to find dropouts and I seem to
need to reboot the 600Mhz modem somewhere between several times over a
few days to only once in a month.

  As soon as my contact expires, I'm transfering to Qwest, who
have just started offering DSL in my neighbourhood.
  


I switched from 1.5M (nominally down) Satellite WildBlue (56k up) which
was *never* down but averaged .5M down and .05 up with lots of lag.
WildBlue also had monthly quotas (not sliding) which did not support
iTunes-class downloads on a regular basis.

Previously I was on dialup which I rarely got higher than 28K
connection with effective speeds of maybe 50% of that.

I think Wireless on this scale makes most sense only when there are no
other choices. If DSL or Cable come available, I think they are a
better answer.


  
  
  Robert
  
  On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 4:10 PM, peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  
http://grappawireless.com/about.html

Anyone in the group have any experience or comments on these guys

( : ( : pete
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Baston
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