Re: [FRIAM] The Primacy of Primeness!

2011-12-12 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Ah, Peter, lovely story. By chance, we visited Bletchley Park on the  
day that the Brits returned--with great ceremony--an Enigma machine to  
the Poles, the people who'd first supplied the Brits with one. (We  
ourselves have two.)


However, my sense is that pure mathematicians look down a tad on  
applied mathematicians. Okay if something you discovered/invented a  
hundred years ago turns out to have a practical use today, but to  
actually invent/discover math with the hope of finding an application  
for it, or with the hope of having it describe some phenomena--useful,  
sure; but, you know, intellectually tacky.


P.


On Dec 11, 2011, at 11:24 PM, plissa...@comcast.net wrote:

Prime Theory -- not to be Mocked, or Knocked!  My tutor in grad  
school math at Cambridge was one Shaun Wylie, dead now;  a famoso  
number expert.  He was a supervisor at Bletchley where  a chappie  
called Turing worked for him.   They broke ENIGMA, that may have won  
the war --  certainly shortened it by a year or so.  Interestingly,  
the Krauts were so convinced of their profs' bloody brilliance that  
for years they refused to believe that some bloody non-Aryan Limeys  
coulda broken it.  Thus giving us lotsa running room!


Being a young ignorant prick (now, regrettably, an Old IP), I made  
stupid jokes like that the number one to the nth power had n  
divisors.  With his modest integrity, he quietly filled me in on  
some of the practical uses of prime theory for code breaking.   And  
he NEVER just talked about math -- he DID things with it!!


 There is indeed   more in heaven and earth, Horatio,  than thy  
philosophy dreams of.


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Re: [FRIAM] Just FYI - This message may not have been sent by:

2011-12-12 Thread Dale Schumacher
Interesting!  I'm not on this list, and I use a direct gmail address
(from the web gui presently), so this is a sort-of test to see if my
email is flagged.  How does it look?

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote:
 Here are the 27 email addresses I've seen so far that give the weird gmail
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 of us using our own domains.

 I'd really like it if a sysadmin would look at the problem to see if our
 mail lists could include the headers Google wants.

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[FRIAM] CERN to announce Higgs boson observation at LHC | ExtremeTech

2011-12-12 Thread Tom Johnson
fyi

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/108599-cern-to-announce-higgs-boson-observation-at-lhc

Perhaps.  We shall see.
-tj

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Re: [FRIAM] CERN to announce Higgs boson observation at LHC | ExtremeTech

2011-12-12 Thread Douglas Roberts
Been hearing rumors of this for about a week.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Tom Johnson t...@jtjohnson.com wrote:

 fyi


 http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/108599-cern-to-announce-higgs-boson-observation-at-lhc

 Perhaps.  We shall see.
 -tj


 
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Re: [FRIAM] Just FYI - This message may not have been sent by:

2011-12-12 Thread Roger Critchlow
It's flagged as possibly not from you in the gmail web interface.

-- rec --

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Dale Schumacher dale.schumac...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Interesting!  I'm not on this list, and I use a direct gmail address
 (from the web gui presently), so this is a sort-of test to see if my
 email is flagged.  How does it look?

 On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net
 wrote:
  Here are the 27 email addresses I've seen so far that give the weird
 gmail
  error message .. I think its any direct @gmail.com account, i.e. not
 those
  of us using our own domains.
 
  I'd really like it if a sysadmin would look at the problem to see if our
  mail lists could include the headers Google wants.
 
  This message may not have been sent by:
  alfredocoval...@gmail.com
  brittgris...@gmail.com
  bruce.sherw...@gmail.com
  carrera.fa...@gmail.com
  ckief...@gmail.com
  collida...@gmail.com
  drew.einh...@gmail.com
  editorst...@gmail.com
  erik.nels0...@gmail.com
  ewhitm...@gmail.com
  gil.densm...@gmail.com
  glennwi...@gmail.com
  grant.holland...@gmail.com
  gregortr...@gmail.com
  gsonn...@gmail.com
  mhbar...@gmail.com
  mree.wh...@gmail.com
  mthomasart...@gmail.com
  ppary...@gmail.com
  redfishgroup...@gmail.com
  rmfor...@gmail.com
  russ.abb...@gmail.com
  scottwittenb...@gmail.com
  sidh...@gmail.com
  sroy...@gmail.com
  stalkingt...@gmail.com
  tylerwhitedes...@gmail.com
 
 
  
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Re: [FRIAM] Just FYI - This message may not have been sent by:

2011-12-12 Thread Owen Densmore
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Roger Critchlow r...@elf.org wrote:

 It's flagged as possibly not from you in the gmail web interface.

 -- rec --


And Minimalist, with the css I sent before, is not flagged so the stunt
works.

   -- Owen

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Re: [FRIAM] CERN to announce Higgs boson observation at LHC | ExtremeTech

2011-12-12 Thread Gillian Densmore
Not a physicist myself- one of the articles the article linked to did
mention the possablility of there not being a  higgs-boson but other
mechanics to explain how stuff aquires mass.
-GD

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Tom Johnson t...@jtjohnson.com wrote:
 fyi

 http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/108599-cern-to-announce-higgs-boson-observation-at-lhc

 Perhaps.  We shall see.
 -tj


 
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Re: [FRIAM] CERN to announce Higgs boson observation at LHC | ExtremeTech

2011-12-12 Thread Carl Tollander

Another discussion: http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/

I think the odds are quite high that there will be a press conference.

One should not take anything said as evidence for or against any 
particular string theory, despite what media commentary will happen 
afterwards.


carl

On 12/12/11 1:07 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:

fyi

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/108599-cern-to-announce-higgs-boson-observation-at-lhc

Perhaps.  We shall see.
-tj




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Re: [FRIAM] Just FYI - This message may not have been sent by:

2011-12-12 Thread Joshua Thorp
What is the stunt?  

Is it just suppressing the warning message?

--joshua

On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:24 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:

 
 
 On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Roger Critchlow r...@elf.org wrote:
 It's flagged as possibly not from you in the gmail web interface.
 
 -- rec --
 
 
 And Minimalist, with the css I sent before, is not flagged so the stunt works.
 
-- Owen 
 
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Re: [FRIAM] CERN to announce Higgs boson observation at LHC | ExtremeTech

2011-12-12 Thread Greg Sonnenfeld
 I think the odds are quite high that there will be a press conference.

Yes, i would say it falls between 2.0 and 3.5 standard deviations.


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On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Carl Tollander c...@plektyx.com wrote:
 Another discussion: http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/

 I think the odds are quite high that there will be a press conference.

 One should not take anything said as evidence for or against any particular
 string theory, despite what media commentary will happen afterwards.

 carl


 On 12/12/11 1:07 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:

 fyi

 http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/108599-cern-to-announce-higgs-boson-observation-at-lhc

 Perhaps.  We shall see.
 -tj



 
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